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machine. >> pagie ining dr. rove. >> 30 days in the hospital? when she reappears she's wearing glasses that are only for people who have traumatic brain injury. >> this was not accidental. >> he was one of the most prepared and deliberate speakers. >> e she later exhibited strange behavior in her benghazi testimony. she had a mastery of the facts and an unshakable facts all while wearing those stupid glasses. >> first they said she faked her concussion. now they say she's auditioning for a part on "the walking dead." >> i didn't say she had brain damage. >> you can't be upset about it. it's just the beginning. they will get better and better at it. >> this is just the beginning of the aak ta ks. >> i am running, around the park. [ laughter ]

that was my former boss hillary clinton making a surprise visit to honor barbara walters' last day on the view. i thought she looked good and sounded like the hillary that i know. she did not sound like she had brain damage. that's what karl rove reportedly claimed this week in a tactic he's used throughout his career. first he tried to say she didn't have brain damage. >> how did this comment come up suggesting that hillary clinton may suffer from brain damage? where did that come from? >> wait a minute, i didn't say she had brain damage. she had a serious health episode. >> oh, right, so karl didn't say brain damage until he said brain damage followed by a serious health episode. it was a classic mud slinging and he knew exactly what he was doing. you mainstream a piece of right

wing gossip, clarify that gossip. then you watch the chatter take off. secretary clinton gave two policy speeches this week. but we were talking about her health, her age, her glasses, was she in the hospital for 30 days, no, it was 3. sparking conversations like this one on fox news. >> is there a chance something deeper happened like a tia or something like that? >> absolutely. karl is on to something here in that there's risks of brain damage. not that there is brain danger. he never said that. >> he never said that, but, and that could be exactly what karl want wanted. these are you those things get fed into a propaganda machine and will still there be. we saw a defense from team clinton this week. these questions aren't going away and will be asked and will need to be answered in the context of a 2016 campaign.

my panel this afternoon amanda, ryan murphy, thank you all for joining me. i'm going to start with you. she didn't look like she had brain damage. >> she looked pretty good. certainly in the senate testimony, when she was testifying before john mccain at the time i called it a tutorial in how to deal with a man. they were very condescending with her. if they were saying she had brain damage, at the time they said she was faking it and now they are saying she had brain damage, but we have evidence to show that she was on point, knew how to command the facts and seemed that there was nothing wrong. he knew exactly what he was doing. it's predictable rove. it's sexist really in the end. >> so amanda, here's the thing. i was sort of interested with the fascination he had about the glasses. having known hillary clinton for

a long time, i have seen her with her glasses and they are thick. she has bad eyesight. by the way, for women over 40, everybody is wearing some kind of readers. but the fascination with what kind of glasses were seemed a little odd to me. >> it's all insinuations. for the record, i sometimes wear glasses. >> it happens. >> but this discussion it went from did she have brain damage, now it's about her age. it's just created this whole discussion that has nothing to do with her qualifications. there's no doubt that discussions of health do come up in a presidential election, but that's what rove is not doing that. he was trying to insinuate there's something wrong with her. >> we have a little sound from former president bill clinton coming to his wife's aid. >> is this their way of inserting her age into. the 2016 political debate? >> if it is, you can't be too

upset about it. they will get better and better at it. i mean, you know, i'm still waiting for her to admit there was nothing to white waeter. >> so nick, what i thought was funny about that and rush limbaugh had talked about white water and even before president clinton said that. this is all going to be fair game if she decides to run. we're going to hear all of it all over again. >> the actual narrative is not just that she's brain damaged, which she's not, but it's about age and history and the cumulative eight. this is old news. the whole strategy here is really like she's old news, she's in the past. that's the narrative. we'll see hits on that constantly. >> this is the kind of rove yan dirty tricks we have seen time

and time again. we have seen him do this for rivals. he said that ann richards was a lesbian. john mccain is the infamous one. it's about pretty much intentional and pretty in line with what we have seen before. >> when you describe it that way, we can sit back and think, gosh this really brought discourse of american politics. we know how to spot it now. i think the thing with making the point against hillary clinton is that if you're going to make it against any political couple in the country, these are the people ready to deal with it because they know it's coming. that was the thing pointed out in '08. if you get hillary, you're going to get all this baggage. why not take it? >> that was something that surprised me. some of the people who are excited for the possibility of hillary running don't think that all of this stuff is going to come back out. they say, surely that will be the past. no, not at all. >> who expected monica lewinsky

to come up again? it will all come out again and a lot of it are things that some of her younger fans and followers really don't know as much about. i think that a lot of young people who would like to see her run for president can't explain what white water was about. >> neither can the people who were part of it. >> so it will come out again, but the clinton machine knows how to deal with it. they know it's out there. and hopefully for her they are smarter about dealing with it this time. >> part of what struck me about watching this conversation is like it r or not, these tactics actually work. whether we can call out karl rove, we can say here's the pattern, we see it and talk to the specifics, but most people would say it works. >> i guess. i don't think this was a very smooth move by karl rove. this is the guy that thought ohio was going to go for mitt

romney. he's not a fully fledged operative all the time working for a campaign where he's on the game all the time. maybe he was doing speeches, he throw throws it out there, it wasn't that smooth because he goes with the 30 days thing and easily verifiable untruth. the glasses thing, anyone who saw her dodge a shoe, this woman is not brain damaged. if someone threw a shoe at me, they would probably hit me in the face. >> some were suggesting rove did get some backlash from his party who said this was crazy, bad timing, you should have waited. also i wonder if this was rove trying to appeal to the establishment conservative movement to say, i'm willing to take hillary clinton on. you can count on me. >> he's out in front being sexist first. so everybody that does it now, they are going to get less of a bash lack. certainly the conversations

about race during the obama administration are going to match and mirror the conversations about gender and sexism going into 2016. i mean that's my primary thesis for this. this is just the beginning. they are going to be sexist attacks every day now until if she runs and wins. >> it had already started before karl rove. senator rand paul implying that hillary clinton is accountable for the fact her husband had an affair. now she's being tied to benghazi, boko haram and part of the whole benghazi thing is hillary clinton has not been held accountable. they haven't been able to find out what she did wrong, but that will not stop them from trying. you're seeing more and more of her name coming up in connection o all of this. >> that's what they are trying to do is undermine her credibility, which is part of why one of the most important things rove said is will she be forthcoming. frankly, it sounded to me like

birther usm. you're going to show us the medical records the same way the president had to show his u birth certificate. >> put all the information out there. we were saying that about mitt romney during the 2012 cycle about his tax returns and they didn't release those tax returns. i'm not saying she wouldn't be forthcoming with her health information. what i'm saying is don't say she has brain damage and she must prove she does not have brain damage. that's a different standard. >> i think we have ha picture of young hillary just one more time for kicks. i just love that picture. we've got a break to take. coming up, 10 to 30 million tea partiers were called to washington yesterday. somewhere around 300 showed up. and later on the 60th anniversary of brown v. board of education, i'll speak with ruby bridges, who was the first black student at her all white school in new orleans. you will not want to miss her incredible story. aflac.

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watch out, america. a second american revolution is on the way. at least that was the plan according to the tea party aligned organizers of operation american spring, which launched on the national mall in washington about 24 hours ago. their goal was to bring some 10 to 30 million patriots to d.c. and force everyone from president obama to speaker john boehner out of office and replace them with law-abiding leadership. from the signs and the interviews with people in the crowd, we can tell you there was no shortage of paranoia, birtherism and conspiracyists who traveled a long way to

participate in phase one of the movement. >> we're here to remove these corrupt individuals from office. obama, biden, mccain, boehner. >> preserve, protect the constitution of the united states. >> barack obama is an illegal president. >> anything he signed, any court appointments is all null and void. >> he needs to get out of office and let an american. i'd stick ted nugent in there first. he would take care of the constitution. >> all right. we're going to take a live look at washington on day two of the effort to ache back the country. you can see they weren't even close in their numbers. there was an overall shortage of people. only a few hundred showed up, which is a far cry from the millions that the organizer planned for. now to be fair, it would have been a near impossible task because they would have had to

more than quadruple the turnout of the largest gathering ever which was the red sox victory parade in 2004 and that brought about 3 million people out. perhaps the organizers got a little too excited by tea party victories in nebraska and west virginia this week, but as of now, the tea party is two and four in the midterm primaries. the primaries were supposed to show the strength of the tea party. while the next test comes next tuesday, so far it actually looks like the establishment is striking back. what happened to all the hoopla and what does it mean for the fall elections and control of congress? our panel is back. so nick, i'm going o start with you on this one. it feels like the narrative at one point was kbot to watch the tea partiers. they are going to give everybody a run for the money. now the establishment is striking back. >> it's probably that they have maxed out. . in a lot of these senate races

they have otheither compelled t incumbents to move to the right, their statements and that takes some of the fire out of the primary challenges. in some cases, the tea party groups themselves are being more careful about backing candidates and not getting burned on people who are not up to snuff. they are were all aware and don't want any flops. >> to that point, there was a quote from a tea partier who basically said this is not 2010 when we thought it was important to take a stand and reflect the disappointment people had with both parties. we need viable candidates now. even the tea party guys are getting more savvy. >> they are becoming more established. and they have also lost the element of surprise. it was a big surprise that this sort of rag tag group could mount these challenges and win. now people you saw with orrin hatch, he really fought back

hard and said i'm not going to go down in a primary. mitch mcconnell went out early and went negative, defined his tea party opponent and the opponent hasn't been able to come back. the tea party is being more careful and the establishment is hitting back hard. >> the other thing this other point, they have moved farther to the right in the context of those primaries, which does suggest that in the context of a general election, her going to have some things to explain. we have heard some pretty harsh rhetoric when it comes to immigration, abortion, some of the hot button issues. >> it's safe to say then it's all fine. many some ways, idea logs don't want to concede defeat. so they are going to try to craft a narrative. if you have to make deals with the establishment, you'll do it, but either way what we see is the policy outcomes they are getting, where the money is going, where the policy efforts

are going, they are going to places where they are going to achieve results. >> two places that i want to take a look at, kentucky, we have the primary on tuesday and georgia. those are two states where there's a possibility for democratic pickups. and in kentucky, although bevin initially we thought he was going to be more of a contender, he's forced mitch mcconnell to move farther to the right and spend money in a primary while his democratic opponent gets to sit back. >> one of the big issues there is obamacare. we really need to be talking about the success of obamacare in kentucky n that conservative state because certainly the women running in that state and in georgia both have women. that's a big issue too. obamacare helps a lot of women, young women in particular up to age 26 and folks who are up to age 35 are now able to sign up. so the demographics that you're looking at that have been changing during the obama years make it a lot more difficult for

somebody who is running to the right on social issues in a primary to be effective in the general election, even if the electorate is conservative. >> in georgia the primary has become a brawl between the various republicans, which is a good thing for the democrat. again a woman, sitting back, letting them duke it out. it sounds like there's probably going to be a runoff. they have to turn around and she has a pretty good chance. >> it's an open seat, that was a big deal. you have more of a -- it feels more like a general primary. and she has a family name. they come from dynasties so they can raise money, they have name reck mission and that shows that every race is different. and waves can mean a lot, but the particular candidate and what they have been to the table matters a whole lot. >> i want to talk about the money element. one of the things i thought was interesting is that you have

seen republican outside groups spending money against other republicans in the primaries. it's like 3-1. and so those groups then are -- that's their overhead. they are spending that money. spending down the money used for general election. does that benefit democrats? >> they have been criticized they are not spending enough money on candidates and giving themselves giant salaries and running their organization and whatever they are doing. that's been something the tea party has been criticize edd a for. these hucksters that seem to be grass roots but the leadership is getting the money. so the tea party has not been known despite their focus on fiscal issues to use their money very wisely. there is that chance. if you spend a lot of money in the primary going after people, you may end up giving the seat to a democrat. that's something the tea party has to be careful of and the establishment has looked at as well. >> nick, final question to you. the point the tea party has mismanaged their money.

there's been a lot about where the money has gone to whether it's grass roots organizing or whether it's more lavish things that maybe you shouldn't spend your money on when you're trying to win an election. >> there are always rising movements. and not all these groups are the same. some have a very high punch. but the basic business model is to raise small donors and that costs money. they have to pay big outlays to fundraising firms to get that money in and often they spend 75 cents on the dollar to bring it in. and they are left with just not as much that they can throw actually into the races. meanwhile the outside groups, cham berp of commerce, they have plenty of money. >> they have plenty of money and they made it clear early on they were not going to be funding crazy people. i think everybody got the message is what it looked like to me. >> i liked christine o'donnell.

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by now you have heard the story in a surprising announcement on wednesday afternoon, she was dismissed from her position and promoted managing ed dor dean baquet to her post. the only reason was thes a pelkts of jill's management of our newsroom, which i had previously made clear to her. but that doesn't seem to be all there is to this dismissal what ch has raised questions about gender roles in the workplace and the the challenge women still face in achieving actual pay. the announcement came after she made waves after discovering she made less than her predecessor. she had even earned less money than a male editor who worked under her. my panel is back to discuss and we are joined by leslie bennett, who left "the new york times" in

1988 over what she says was a gender basal ri dispute. i want to start with you on this question. we'll kbet to the specifics of the jill abramson story, but it did strike me that the language was disturbing that we heard used over and over again to describe this behavior and to then describe that behavior as inappropriate. >> it's always the same language. the female editor of france was also forced out of her job this week. and what is always said about women is that they are difficult or brusk. now dean, who replaced jill abramson, has a pension for putting his first through walls. this is regarded as like a cute little attribute when it's a man. but if jill walks by somebody and doesn't say hello, she's said to have difficulty and not smoozing the staff enough. i worked at "the new york times"

for ten years in several different departments and in my experience, the men were mercurial would be an undersamt. you'd pretty much have to take a carving knife and plunge it into somebody's heart if you were a man to be called difficult. >> research repeatedly women face a backlash if they act in ways that are out of the expected behavior. certain words expected to apply to men, certain words expected to apply it to women. >> and this is the issue of fit, which is such an undefined thing. we see this going on in all kinds of fields. there was a big story in academia where a professor was hired and e she asked for maternity leave and a little more money. it wasn't a big ask. they pulled the job offer from her because they said she wouldn't fit in our department. so we don't even want to have a

negotiation. in some ways the discussion that's being had here, it almost feels like a strategy you can mistake in some ways to let it get framed this way where we're having a discussion about whether she was pushy then that was not the issue to have at all. >> this is a no-win situation for women. when i found out that the man sitting next to me at "the new york times" was making 25% more than i was for doing the same job and i went and asked them to rectify that, they gave me a tiny guilt raise and they refused to fix the rest of it. so my only recourse was going to see a lawyer, which i did, and this was ten years after they settled a sex discrimination lawsuit and they said sex

discrimination is still a bomb waiting to go off. this was in 198. now jill abramson now in present time did the same thing. she found out that the guys were earning more. her predecessor as executive editor was earning a great deal more than she was and one of her deputies was earning more. so she asked them about that and she pushed and she negotiated and they didn't rectify the gap. so she finally goes and sees a lawyer and says she's not cooperative. we're going to get rid of her. my question is so what is it that we're supposed to do? >> to that point, i was surprised that they were sort of offended by the fact that she got a lawyer, which suggests to me that's the appropriate thing to do so you're not having the personal negotiation and someone -- >> she had the negotiation first. there had been a long process. they bumped her up a couple times. as with me all those years ago, hay refused to give you parody. so at that point, my question is

what do you do? >> i did also read there was in the various explanations that she consulted and had an attorney. >> that that was in poor taste. you go to them like they are family instead of as a professional. which is the wrong message we should be sending. going to a lawyer doesn't mean combative. if you're leaning in and you're demanding that you be paid equally, not r more, she was being paid significantly less at every stage for 14 years and she's about to e retire. we have to put this under the framework of a 60-year-old woman about to retire, thinking about her pension and making sure she's getting paid fairly. going to a lawyer doesn't mean she's not cooperative. that means she's try og make it more professional. >> one of the things i found interesting, it's hard to get a clear picture because it sounds like a number of the younger women revered her and did not see her as brusk and tough and all those things and enjoyed having a woman role model.

>> it was someone that they could go to, talk about the challenges that they face and they said she was everything to us. it was very devastating to have her leave. and i thought ann freedman in new york magazine made a great point. jill abramson might have been pushy, but was she pushy as a boss or a woman? and that i think is part of the problem in all of this. i'm not in the "new york times." i don't know her, but we will probably never know. >> it's a very important question because to your question, that's the line that women walk every day as sort of is it okay to be pushy as a woman, pushy many my workplace, what if that happens to be who i am. >> i would like to issue a challenge to the employers of america. we have an enormous amount of research demonstrating the gender gap and the biases that obtain in hiring and promotion in salaries.

so to anyone else in a managerial capacity, look at the numbers. if you are paying a woman less than somebody who is working for her, fix it. if you're offering her less than her predecessor, offer her the same amount. the only way to stop discrimination is to stop discriminating. >> in this context it's actually true. >> people need to move forward and not do it anymore. >> thank you for joining us. thanks to our panel this afternoon. still ahead, we honor the 60th anniversary of the brown v. board of education decision and look at how far we have come. we asked people a question, how much money do you think you'll need when you retire? then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last. i was trying to, like, pull it a little further. [ woman ] got me to 70 years old. i'm going to have to rethink this thing. it's hard to imagine how much we'll need

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in november 1960 four federal marbles escorted a 4-year-old to public school in louisiana. it was her first day of first grade. they were greeted by an angry mob and throughout the year year racial slurs and death shots were shouted at her as she made her way through the crowd. she was the only student in her first grade class because no white parents wanted to share

the classroom. that was after the supreme court issued the decision on board v. board of education ruling that in the field of public education separate but equal has no place. separate facilities are inherently unequal. by undermining the legal rational r for discrimination, that decision also set off a long journey untangling the roots of institutionalized racism. that rational was based on an 1896 decision that said that separate was equal. but as ruby's story illustrates, the journey requires years of hard work and intervention by the courts and federal government. the mob had disappeared and white students returned, but even after that change, it took ten years and another supreme court decision to fully integrate new orleans public schools. fast forward to just a few decades and a number of factors now threaten the progress

ushered in by brown and advanced by people like ruby. school districts have been released pr segregation while changing demographics mean too many students of color are attending schools that have become resegregated. so the question is, do we need another intervention? here to help me answer that question is icon ruby bridges. ruby, thank you for joining us. i'm sorry we had technical problems. we were hoping to see you live, but thank you for being on the phone. >> thank you for having me. >> people have seen that iconic photograph and painting of you with the two marshals at your side, or four i think you said. tell us what you think that day felt like for you. >> being 6 years old, it would be hard for a parent to try and explain to their 6-year-old child what we were walking into. so my parents didn't try to do

that. they just said you're going to go to a new school today and basically you better behave. so i knew nothing about what i was walking into. but early on, it really seemed very different from my first day the year before because i had attended an all black school for kindergarten. this particular day these four very tall white men showed up at the door and i remember getting into the car with them, two of them sat in the front seat and two in the back. not really knowing who they were. i remember them saying that we're u.s. marshals and we have been sent by the president of the united states. so the minute i drove up, i saw mobs of people out in front of the school and they were screaming and shouting and throwing things and being accustomed to mardi gras, i thought we had stumbled on to a parade. >> at what point, ruby, in your school career did you come to

understand? at 6 years old, you can't understand the broader context, but at what point did you understand sort of the bigger questi picture of what was going on and you had been such a part of history. >> what happened that day that parents showed up in front of the school like they would do every day taking their children to school, they knew that the schools were going to be integrated that day. they did not know which schools. so when i showed up, they rushed into the building and they removed over 500 kids. and they didn't show up for school the next day. so i spent practically the whole year looking for those kids because i knew that kids were suppo supposed to be in school. there were a few white families who had to cross that same mob of people and they were never protected by federal marshals.

they would bring their kids to school, but the principal would take the kids and hide them. so i spent the majority of my time actually looking for those kids and when i finally stumbled upon them, a little boy said i can't play with you. and that really brought everything home for me. i had been understood that it was all about me. >> so ruby, i know you have actually -- i want to fast forward 60 years. you volunteer at the school. one of the things that we have seen admittedly huge progress made by brown, no question. but in the new orleans public schools, like many places around the country, we're seeing a resegregation and demographic chang changes. so i wanted to quickly hear from you what it was like when you went back to your same cool and what you see there today? >> i happen to go back into the school to volunteer back in 1991

because i had lost my brother and his four daughters were attending that same school. and i saw that it was in such disarray. the school was falling apart and it was totally all black at that point. and then right after that hurricane katrina hit and the school was boarded up for four years before the ruby bridges foundation and myself fought really hard to put it on the historical registry so it would not be torn down after hurricane katrina. since then it's reopened this past august. it's filled with kids, but it is 9 9% all black, which is is a little disheartening for me. i have been asked on several occasions, do i feel like the sacrifices i made and my parents made was that done in vain? i have to say that, you know, before i walked up those stairs,

i didn't have the right to choose my school. brown v. the board gave me the right to choose that particular school. but the truth of the matter is that the teacher that taught me every day who came from boston because teachers actually quit their jobs. they didn't want to teach black kids. she was white and the lesson that i took away is that we are not to judge someone by the color of their skin. that you have to allow yourself the opportunity to get to know people and color of skin has nothing to do with it. i believe that it is crucial that our children attend school together. >> ruby, you have done so much to advance that and make that possib possible. and i want to wish you good luck about the fundraising project for a statue that is being built in your honor. i want to thank you again for joining us. >> thank you for having me.

i'm joined now by wade henderson, president and ceo of the leadership conference and douglas brinkley, thank you to you both. i want to jump in. and wade, to this point of, yes, we have made dramatic progress, no question. many things would not be possible without the brown decision. at the same time, we are seeing certain factors creating a sort of backslide after brown some 60 years later. >> i think you're absolutely right, karen. the story of brown at 60 as the ucla civil rights project said just last week is a story of extraordinary progress, unfortunately of steady retrenchment, and now a period of great uncertainty. the country has dramatically changed since 1954 when we were largely a biracial society. today we are a multiracial society. but what we now have are two

diametrically opposite school systems. one for white kids, kids of the affluent families, and largely of poor kids, students of color. what you're seeing are really diametrically opposite situations. the average white student today attends a majority white school in which a small percentage of students are black and latino. the average black student attends a school that is majority black with about 17% latino students. and the average latino student attends a school with an overwhelming number of latino number students and a percentage of blacks as well. that economic disparity has a profound impact on the quality of education students receive. >> doug, i wanted to ask you. historically one of the things that was so important about brown was the fact that there was a constant effort. the initial decision was just the beginning. that's why i asked this question as to whether or not do we need a new movement to kind of relook

at what's happened as we become sort of resegregated. >> absolutely, karen. the brown decision was a revolution, but the federal government started implementing it and you had the amazing showdowns. not just ruby bridges but the little rock se ncenario and on on. we need more e showdowns right now. i'm talking from new orleans and after katrina shs the charter schools came in here and have devastated the public school system. it's a republican politicians in the state of louisiana that want to shut out the teachers union and you could take any honest delegation and go visit an african-american school where it's 90% african-american and you'll see buildings crumbling, horrific situations, you go to any white public school in louisiana and you'll see a much, much brighter and better situation. there need to be federal lawsuits that take place in louisiana to start demanding equality in public school

service in a state like louisiana. >> and doug and wade, i thank you so much for joining me we are short on time. i appreciate you coming in and sharing your thoughts on brown at 60. that does it for me. we'll see you back here tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern. in the nation, it's not always pretty. add brand new belongings from nationwide insurance... ...and we'll replace destroyed or stolen items with brand-new versions. we put members first. join the nation. ♪ nationwide is on your side ♪ but when we put something in the ground,

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