exposing the faces and names behind the keyboards in shanghai. >> the have yous department announces charges against chinese military officials amid accusations they hacked into private companies to steal trade secrets. plus -- >> i think if we were actually looking at how do we get more quality health care, constrain costs, and get more people covered, we would be having a different dialogue? >> that is michelle nunn, the candidate that's expected to win the democratic senate primary in georgia tomorrow. i traveled to atlanta to talk to her one-on-one, and we'll bring you that interview later in the hour. we start in washington where for the first time ever the u.s. department of justice is charging five chinese hackers with economic espionage and theft of trade secrets. >> today we are announcing an indilt indictment against five officers of the chinese peoples liberation army. this case should serve as a wake-up call to the seriousness of the ongoing cyber threat. >> according to the d.o.j., the

five chinese military members used intelligence facilities to carry out economic espionage, specifically targeting american nuclear, metals, and solar industries. the charges relate to the hacking of six u.s. companies, including some major industrial giants like westinghouse, u.s. steel, and alcoa. five of the companies are head quartered in western pennsylvania. this isn't the first time that we've heard about people in china hacking u.s. companies. president obama mentioned cyber crime in his state of the union address last year. major media organizations, including the "wall street journal", the "new york times", and google all reported last year on cyber hacking that was believed to have originated many china. in fact, in 2011 the federal government issued a report calling chinese actors the world's most active and persistent perpetrators of economic espionage, but this is the first time the u.s. is publicly and vocally linking hacking activity to the chinese government. among the chief concerns of justice department officials,

one critical four-letter word. >> i am saying that this cyber hacking leads directly to the loss of jobs here in the united states. >> the risks don't stop at trade secrets and economic espionage. as the "new york times" reported last we're in conjunction with the cyber security firm mendian, an overwhelming number of u.s. cyber attacks can be tracked to this building on the outskirts of shanghai where the people's leb rags army unit 61398 is head quartered. now, the article actually in today's "times" says that the most troubling attack to date has been a successful invasion of the canadian arm of televent, a company that designs the software that gives oil and gas pipeline companies and power grid operators remote access to valves, switches, and security systems and which keeps detailed blue prints on more than half of all the oil and gas pipelines in north and south america and has access to their systems. "the times" reports that in september televent canada told

customers that attackers had broken into its systems and taken project files that access was immediately cut so that the intruders could not take command of the systems. today when the obama administration took this step of acknowledging the size, scope, and frequency of these hack attacks and their potential impact, it was a very big deal. the question is the threat of prosecuting a handful of chinese hackers enough of a wake-up call to china's government? nbc muse justice correspondent pete williams has the latest details on these criminal charges and also joining me is david kennedy, ceo of information security from trust -- from the security firm trusted set. i want to start with you, pete. can you explain sort of how this case was put together and why it happened to get out today? >> well, i think it started, in part, with complaints from the companies, complaints from the unions whose workers were laid off, and the fact that it's been no secret that this particular unit of the chinese army has been behind a lot of hack attacks.

you put all those things together, it was a multi-month investigation in which the u.s. tried to zero in on these hackers, and it's really extraordinary that they have identified five specific members of the chinese army who did this and in the indictment they can track specific individuals in the chinese army that are charged today to specific emails and government computer operations that led to the intrusions into these companies. we're told that they even have at one point they had the ability to actually watch these individuals in china. not physically watch them, but see the effects of their individual keystrokes as they came into the u.s. >> pete, what's interesting too is the ability to track this unit, this unit 61398 which sounds like something out of the tv show "scandal" frank lishg but they're saying it's either an incredible coincidence that these attacks seem to be emerging out of that building or somebody right next door is conducting these attacks, and they're talking about entities that are recruited directly from universities that are hacking

via what's called spear fishing emails and also that they're able to track them on facebook and twitter. if that report by this company that has been hired to track this activity, if that was not coming out tomorrow, do you think we would be learning about this particular indictment today? i know this has been something they've been planning to do all this time to unseal these charges today. perhaps it's because they're doing some other cyber crime indictments today as well. i think they will they feel that their basic position is every time they accuse the chinese of dolling this, the xhinz say prove, it and today the u.s. government has said all right, here's the proof. the chinsz government has already said that these are made up charges, that this was a big mistake, and they're calling on the u.s. to drop the case.

>> there was an attack on a coca-cola company where an anonymous e-mail was sent to an executive, and by clicking on a link, that allowed these hackers to get into the coca-cola systems. how extensive and how big of a threat is this to the average sort of u.s. company, and who are the typical targets? >> that's the biggest challenge right now. i mean, if you look at how attackers are actually breaking into corporations, it's true targeting individuals. i mean, for me to make a believable e-mail that i can send to you and you click the link, all of a sudden a hacker computer has full access to your computer, and want only your computer, but all of your other corporate systems that house all of your intellectual property, things that make us competitive in the united states, that's how easy it is today. you know, we do the same type of thing. we're hackers, right? we break into computer systems. these are the same type of techniques we use to rip into some of the largest corporations here in the united states and they're actively doing that in order to get access to all the intellectual property that we have. the few that were just actually named in the actual, you know, message was a small fraction of

what we're seeing on a larger scale. it's happened to every large scale company. right now we're grossly unprepared. >> cola cola is one thing, but if we talk about the transport of energy and oil and targeting those energy sectors, how big of a threat is that? sort of give us kind of some of the maybe not the worst case scenarios, but some of the sort of dire scenarios that could spring from that. >> that's a great point. i mean, they're after two key things, right? the intellectual property is one piece. also, what supports our infrastructure? everything from water treatment facilities and hour w we get power to our houses. everything is connected to the internet, and they're actively going after these. there was a study that came out about six months ago where a bunch of security researchers created a fake nuclear power plant and made it look real in every way and the web sites and everything, and they found that it actually got hacked by chinese hackers within about three weeks of them setting up the website. they're going after our nuclear power plants, going after our water treatment facilities so that in the event there's an altercation with the united states, that they have the preparedness to basically shut down the entire united states and we're extremely vulnerable right now.

what we call our critical infrastructure is probably one of the worst off when it comes to security. >> and, pete, going back to you, this is also a diplomatic element to this, obviously. the chinese government, a spokesman for the foreign ministry, issued this statement firmly denying any of the attacks saying this act has seriously violated -- meaning the prosecution's basic international norms, harmed the cooperation and mutual trust between china and the united states. the american charges are pure fabrication and ut herly ridiculous. china is a major vimt of cyber spying and surveillance. pete, you see there that the chinese are trying to take further advantage, as they've already done, of the nsa spying situation. essentially saying we're not doing this, but substantively aren't we talking about something materially different when we're talking about alleged spying government to government which a lot of governments do, and actual spying intended to improve and leapfrog china ahead economically? >> well, that's what the u.s. says. that we do acknowledge the obvious that we do gather intelligence, but that we don't spy on behalf of other companies. >> right.

and, finally, to you, david kennedy, is there a material difference between what you are seeing here and what you are seeing out of the nsa? >> completely. they would say, hey, can you break into this company and steal all the intellectual property so i can now go into the chinese market for half the cost and be a competitive advantage over there in the chinese market? it's exactly what they're doing here. it's not what the nsa does. the nsa specifically looking at the intelligence aspects in order to protect the united states, and i come from an nsa/intelligence background, so i can say it's completely different night and day what we're seeing from china to get the competitive advantage over the u.s. economy over what we're going out and looking for intelligence to protect our country. >> thank you very much, pete williams and david kennedy. thanks to both of you. >> all right. up next my one-on-one interview with michelle nunn, the frontrunner for the u.s. senate in georgia.

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>> it's the lossest thing to super tuesday in a nonpresidential election year. voters head to the polls in idaho, kentucky, fworj george, and pennsylvania. they'll be sdigsd the outcome of some of the most closely watched primary races of the year. in kentucky senate minority leader mitch mcconnell appears to be fending off tea party challenger matt beveragin despite the millions of dollars the conservative fund spent to back the challenger. in a new blew grass poll it shows mcconnell up by 20 points. he is trailing likely democratic nominee allison lundgren greemz. over in georgia seven republican candidates are battling for

their party's nomination for the u.s. senate. a july 22nd run-off is almost guaranteed, and it appears congressman jake kingston and exdollar general ceo who is also the cousin of sonny purdue will be the top two. they will likely face nunn. michelle nunn is not a politician, although she is the daughter of one of the best known politicians, sam numn. i caught up with her on saturday as she and her campaign supporters volunteered to help spruce up perkerson elementary school in southwest atlanta. >> nice to meet you. yeah. >>. >> since the very beginning of the campaign we started out in a minivan with my 9 and 11-year-old, and we traveled around the state, and we did service projects, but we also highlighted things that were happening in georgia that i think speak to what people want to see more of.

they figure out how to work across the differences and get things done, and they solve problems. your background is not in politics, and you know in the nonprofit world we get together and collaborate and work together. that's really not how it works in washington. you might not be prepared for that. what do you say to that? >> i say if you want more of what's already happening in washington, you know where to find it, which is the career politicians, the people that have already been there, but i think people are saying, gosh, we have examples in the private sector in business, we have examples in faith-based organizations and nonprofit organizations, in schools of how things get done, and actually washington needs more of that. we know washington is the same old -- same old ways of doing things. >> obviously your father, sam nunn, was a well known popular senator here in the state of georgia. have you talked to him sort of about the real world experience

of being in washington and, you know, if you have had that conversation, what did you gleen from it in terms of what you would face going to washington? >> he has given me a lot of advice in the last ten months, and one of the things that he has told me repeatedly, which i think is a great and important lesson -- that's what we need to do more of. we're going to reach across the aisle and get things done. >> their relationships and also through a commitment to what matters, which is actually solving problems, not scoring political points. >> that soedz sounds really great, and i think that's what a lot of people who are running for office are saying, particularly people new to the political process, but washington is hopelessly fwrid locked. the idealogical divide hadz never been bigger. it hasn't been possible so far for people to just come in. what would one more person change about that? is i mean, washington is really hopelessly idealogically gridlocked. >> my whole career tells me one person could make a huge difference. every single person believes

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i think fwheed to extend tax credits for small businesses. i think we need to build on the things that are working. i talk increasingly too people who come up with me and say i have health care for the first time. i had a preexisting condition, and now have access to real health care preventive health care. or talking to a father the other day who said all three of my sons, age 20 to 26, are covered, and i sleep at night because of that. >> whoever the republican is that faces you in november, they're going to run against you on obama care. are you going to run affirmatively on the affordable care act? >> aim going to say we actually need to put people out of politics and focus on what do we need to do to expand medicaid and to actually build upon the things that are working and change the things that aren't in terms of health care. >> some of your primary opponents are hitting you, a, with the experience question, but, b, with the question how

strong of a democrat is michelle nunn? how do you answer that question? are you a -- do you consider yourself a strong, deep democrat? >> i'm leerl running for the democratic nomination for senate. i have been a life-long democrat, and as part of my family heritage, as part of, you know, who i am, and it's because of the values that i think that it represents to be a democrat, and that includes everythinging from compassion and empath where i and equality of opportunity and, you know, really being forward-thinking and innovative and being good stewards for our country, and, you know, i'm committed to the kinds of ideas that will you immigration reform, comprehensive immigration reform, minimum wage, pay equity. >> a lot of women candidates running high-profile races statewide for democrats across the country. how central is that to your platform to who you are as a country candidate, and do you believe where there is essentially a war on women? >> i think that people in

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way back in 1980 turned into a powerful republican money machine organized by charles and david koch. while polls suggest the koch brothers remain mostly unknown to the american public, their money and the money from independent donors the brothers helped to shepherd through a network of nonprofit organizations, has turned them into two of the most powerful money men in the ranks of the gop. the times writes "today the done o club overseen by the kochs, known as freedom partners, generates hundreds of millions of tlarz each election cycle. since 1980, the republican party has moved closer to the koch family's views on government regulation. it's rising members now court the kochs and like-minded donors at twice-wreerl seminars that the brothers organize. in 2012 david koch, the koch brother who ran for vice president in 1980 was a delegate to the republican national convention." now that they're a mainstream part of the gop, how is the koch brothers' agenda changed?

we should note this program contacted the koch brothers both via their companies as well as their political arm, americans for prosperity. they had no direct response to our request for comment on this particular article. that piece of business out of the way. when you look back at david koch's run for vice president on the libertarian ticket, how did that sort of fuel his entrance into politics in a republican party? >> well, i think what you saw was back in the late 1970s it was hard to put yourself back. their idea was we should get involved with a small party, a minor party, and try to build it into a force. they tried that out, and they

change their strategy. there are high amounts of advertising spending and efforts to push the gop in their direction and make them important players within the party kind of stems, i believe, in some real ways from that experience with trying to go it alone and create their own party. at the time you write in your piece that at the time david koch backed the full legalization of abortion, the repeal of laws that criminal ease drug use, prostitution and homo sexuality. >> and gay marriage. >> gay marriage. they were actually sort of libertarians in the classic sense at the time. >> absolutely. >> as you study the koch brothers over time and look for this, david koch, have their politics changed from being strictly libertarian and become more about sort of economic conservativism or do they still have those original sort of libertarian pieces to their agenda? >> that's a good question. look, the causes they fund today are really closely centered on economic freedom, as they put it. their political spending both directly and donors they recruit and organizations they have helped set up, it is really, really about taxes and

regulation subsidies in the free market. you know, they are, i think, in principle, you know, the other side of the equation. social issues are important to them, but their money is really in regulation and economic freedom. >> i guess the criticism of that would be that their money is economic freedom, but it's really about enriching koch industries, right? >> you can kind of see where they're coming from. that's a place for real principle. it's hard core. it was radical in the 197 0z. it's still pretty hard core today. look, they don't lobby for subsidies from the federal government. one of the most fascinating documents that i saw was a speech charles koch gave where he said basically business was

part of the problem. they get into politics to get special treatment. i do think they are anti-regulation. they were against the price controls. they were certainly getting politically involved at a time when the federal government was coming down on their business. it's truly better for the country. >> now also we just put up a little bit of the money that they're spending on education. endowing professorships and literally hundreds of colleges and universities to sort of, i guess, grow sort of another generation of people who agree with them idealogically. >> i'm not sure how much it's changed, but certainly in their own words back at that time charles koch, who was the first of the family to get really kind of really involved in his generation, he basically wrote that the best way we can change hearts and minds is through education, is through combatting what he considered anti-free enterprise thinking in academia, at think tanks. they wanted to create a whole

educational network. it was to him i think the most important part of his philanthropy, and it still is, as you know, a huge part of what they do. their educational philanthropy is a huge important part of their drive to create a constituency for less regulation. >> sort of grow the base beneath them. >> i want to play a bit of harry reid. what they've become with the democrats is sort of in a lot of ways what george soros was for republicans in 2004. the focus of sort of the democrats' hour when it comes to campaign spending. take a listen. >> they're doing this to promote issues that make themselves even richer. $100 billion is not enough for the koch brothers. no other individuals are recreated the role of a national political party. that is what they're doing. they're recreating the republican party. >> aside from the political context of that, would it be fair to say that they in a way are sort of recreating the modern republican party? >> i think so. i think, you know, i see them

building a forest that can stand apart from the parties, but influence them, and they've been very successful as have other political entrepreneurs and bring the gop particularly over to their way of thinking. they've become sort of important stars, centers of gravity within the republican coalition instead of a force sort of outside of it, and that is also like it turns out that that's actually an effective way to advance your views. you can get into one of the major parties, have them need to court you, and that's what they've done. >> in part by funding the tea party, which is a whole other -- >> it's not dissimilar from what george soros did. he and other liberal donors said the democratic party isn't getting the job done as far as winning elections, so they went out and they created a liberal organization outside the party. >> right. yeah. they have endured for quite a long time. a great article. i highly recommend it. thank you for being here. appreciate it. >> up next, one step forward, two steps back. the fight for equality continues for same-sex couples and parents.

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sxwlirchlgts a few minutes from now same-sex couples in oregon will find out whether a federal court judge will strike down that state ae ban on same-sex marriage. 17 states, plus the district of columbia, allow same-sex marriage, and couples in three other states are waiting after judges placed stays on orders overturning those states' gay marriage bans. in many cases that means couples racing against the clock to make their marriages legal before they get struck down by state statutes or legal appeals. >> i just pray the system sees that, you know, we deserve equality. we deserve to be treated equally. >> so this fight to keep marriages legal rather than to make them legal is actually a huge advance. weave come a long way since the very first legal marriages ten years ago this weekend in massachusetts. even with part of the defense of marriage act struck down by the

supreme court, the national argument over same-sex marriage is far from over. the question now is over federalism and how far individual states can go to limit the gains same-sex couples have made. legal analysts say the federal appeals process will further fuel the debate over same-sex marriage in the country. inevitably setting up an appearance before the u.s. supreme court, possibly within the next year. joining me now are the happily married aiesha moody mills, at the center for american progress, and danielle moody-mills at the center for american progress, and both are also hosts of the podcast, which is must viewing for know here, if you guys don't know about it. you should catch it. i want to ask you, first of all, thank you for being here on your vacation, i should add. i want to start with you. this whole question about same-sex marriage, it's sort of strange to think that ten years ago the question was whether massachusetts issuing marriage licenses would be the end of the world, right? you had all of this doom and

gloom progress nost indicating where people said this is going to really destroy the country. i want to play you what george w. bush had to say back in february of 2004 about the risks and dangers of what massachusetts was doing. >> activist courts have left the people with one recourse. if we're going to prevent the meaning of marriage from being changed forever, our nation must enact a constitutional amendment to protect marriage in america. >> what does it mean that that never happened? george w. bush never even put a bill in congress to do what he just said. >> i mean, here's the thing. it's just an example of the fear mongering that has really been at its core about discriminate says against certain classes of people in this country. we saw it before with african-americans and then we saw it with lgbt people. at the end of the day the conservatives who were against marriage equality really just wanted to preserve a way of life that was quite frankly antiquate examined to bar their neighbors and their fellow citizens the

opportunities that they have, and the sky didn't fall. kids are healthy and happy. the divorce rate didn't change simply because more gay people are getting married. the marriage licenses didn't dry up for straight people. i mean, everything is all fine. >> i've somehow managed stay straight and married, and i don't know how i got away with that with all the gay marriage out there. i don't know how that happened. let me ask you, what she said is really important because the supreme court has really been very now consistent on this issue about when states try to ban gay marriage. there's actually a case that goes all the way to the 1970s. usda versus moreno in which it included the following quote. a bare congressional desire to harm a politically unpopular group cannot constitute a legitimate government interest. that precedent, which was also citeed in a 1996 case, roamer versus evans, that has been cited over and over again by justice kennedy in striking down these attempts to ban gay marriage at the state level. do you think that that means particularly with kennedy still

there on the court, that it's inevitable that gay marriage -- anti-gay marriage laws will fall across the country? >> i do. i absolutely do. i think that these court cases are a wonderful example of showing that there is no legal merit behind the discrimination, that the states are putting forth. there just september. when they have the burden of proof on them to show how marriage equality is going to affect, like you said, your marriage, straight marriages across the country, the divorce rate, children, and families, it hasn't changed anything. what we've seen right now with massachusetts it's a ten-year longitudinal study of the fact that gay marriage has not made the sky fall, and what we're seeing is that there's no legal basis to bar people from joining in love from creating families and from forming the bonds and celebrating that with their family, their friends, and everyone across the country. >> it's actually strengthening families. >> thank you. what's interesting about that original precedent in 1973 was

it wasn't even about gay marriage. that was about whether or not the government could keep groups of communes of hippie from getting food stamps. the out group at the time were hippies, and they were saying we don't want them to get this federal benefit, but the court is saying that out group couldn't be shamed by law is really what's being applied here. are you sometimes astounded by the extent to which the idea of gay couples as an out group, that that in and of itself has fallen away? >> i'm not. i mean, this has been a cultural shift. you know, we can talk about this as if it's only been ten years, right? marriage equality and really the movement towards acceptance and appreciation for an lgbt people in this country has been decades long. it's been decades long. from people coming out to their family and their friends, from us seeing changes in culture and in terms of lgbt characters being portrayed in movies and on television, we have been able to change hearts and minds and really just humanize lgbt people. i mean, danielle and i are like anybody else, like any other married couple, and when folks were able to connect with that

and to see that, people realize these people are not really that different than us. it's not surprising that when you get to know someone on a basic level of basic humanity as who they are, then this whole idea of discriminating against and treating them as separately, you know, but kind of equal falls by the wayside. >> danielle, i want to show a map of sort of the states where you're seeing these challenges to marriage. you're going to see that they are largely red states where you are starting to see these new challenges. in a sense, is it sort of disconcerting in a way to you that the way that l xw bt people have humanized and sort of, you know, made themselves a part of the mainstream had to be in the context of the most wholesome potential picture, which is marriage, which is, you know, nothing that would make anyone nervous nervous, all about sort of the wholesome institution. is that good news or bad news? >> i think it's that good news. i don't think there's anything wrong with marriage being painted as a wholesome, you know, form of commitment. that most people want to get into.

joifs satisfying before, wow, since we got engaged in june of 2009, 13 states, including the district of columbia, have seen the freedom to marry, which was unthinkable some three and a half years ago. it's crazy to us. i think marriage is something we can commonly relate, to and we can understand the idea of wanting to commit to another person, wanting to build a family, a home, and care for one another, and that is just something that transsends across sexual orientation, gender identity, and it's something we can all get behind. >> we absolutely adore you. there's no other place we would want to be right now. >> we are home girls.

even when scandal is not on, we still have so much to talk about, but when it's on, it's on. from their vacation in florida, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. >> all right. coming up next, we read between the lines on eric holder, and we'll show you how the attorney general is fighting back against chief justice john roberts' stance on race. (music) defiance is in our bones. defiance never grows old. citracal maximum. calcium citrate plus d. highly soluble, easily absorbed. that's keeping you from the healthcare you deserve. at humana, we believe if healthcare changes, if it becomes simpler... if frustration and paperwork decrease...

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these outposts of bigotry, while deplorable, are not the true markers of the struggle that still must be waged for the work that still needs to be done because the biggest threats do not announce themselves in steamy headlines. they are more sulgs.

>> that was attorney general eric holder speaking to students at morgan state university on saturday during commencement. he was referring to the recent spate of hateful rhetoric that have made people like donald sterling and clifen bundy into household names. his point, hateful rhetoric is what's in the headlines, but its actual discrimination, the biases played out in more subtle ways in incarceration and drug policy and in desperate access to education and employment and housing that does the real damage. that berks between private bias and behavior that impacts the public is playing out right now in the tiny town of wolfboro, new hampshire, where robert copeland was over heard in a

restaurant referring to president obama using the n-word ask doubled down on his slur saying in an meloy i believe i did use the n-word in reference to the current occupant of the white house. for this i do not apologize. he meets and exceeds my criteria for such." today after widespread criticism, copeland finally resigned from his elected position as a police commissioner. he is no longer in charge of policing the town of wolfboro. private behavior impacted public policy. >> there's so gts -- no jim crow laws on the books that, we ought to just pay less attention to race while dismantling the protections against institutional discrimination. holder made the argument that discrimination does not always come in the form of a hateful

epithat or a jim crow-like statute, and we must continue to take account of racial inequality and especially in its less obvious forms and actively discuss ways to combat it. a supreme court justice sotomeyor wrote, we must not wish away, but rather confront the racial inequality in our society. we need to speak openly and candidly on the subject of race. that means doing something other than just calling off -- calling out one-off racist cranks because some one-off racist cranks wield actual power, or in the case of a former police commissioner from wolfboro, they used to. that wraps things up for the reid report. i'll be back here tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. eastern, and be sure to visit us on-line at the reid report.msnbc.com. hey, cyclists. happy monday. >> happy monday to you, joy. we've got a super show we're going to talk about super tuesday. we're going to talk about gm and

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