there and lift their voices. they must vote. >> no one encourages more than you, senator. good to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time so much. that's "the ed show." "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. the gop smear machine. republicans are pounding their ugly assault on hillary clinton to try and cover up their own bankrupt agenda. today, here's what americans actually care about. a new gallup polls show that jobs and unemployment is the top issue. 19% say it's dissatisfaction with government and congress. 17% say it's the economy in general. so what are the republicans doing to help? nothing.

nada. zip. zilch. they have no positive agenda for the nation. now or in 2016. so instead, conservatives are in full mud-slinging mode. still focusing all their energy on hillary clinton's brain. >> if someone undergoes -- has a terrible concussion and undergoes six months of treatment and there's a blood clot near the brain, the whole thing needs to be laid out and explained. >> what decisions were made during those six months? there's a whole bunch to speculate and talk about. inthe health of hillary should be focused on. >> any presidential candidate or vice presidential candidate is going to have to answer quest n questions about their health. it's an attack and distrkt frenzy. all so they don't have to deal with real issues. now or in 2016. >> what i think is going to make her rethink whether she should

actually run for president, by the way, i don't think she will, but if she has another month like she just had, given the month she just had, i actually doubt very much whether she actually will run for president in 2016. >> oops! just let the cat of the bag. they're launching all these attacks. dr. karl rove has a similar diagnosis. i'm not questioning her health. what i'm questioning is whether or not it's a done deal that she's running. and she would not be human if she were not -- if she did not take this into consideration. she'll be 69 at the time of the 2016 election. if she gets elected and serves two terms she'll be 77. >> after the last election, karl rove should really get out of the prediction business. whether mrs. clinton decides to run for president or not, it

won't chak this fundamental fact about the gop. the gop, they seem to care more about personal attacks and phony scandals than about the issues that matter to the american people. joining me now are msnbc's krystal ball and salon.com's joan walsh. her latest article is called karl rove digs himself deeper. how former gop savior became damaged goods. thank you both for being here tonight. >> thanks for having us reverend. krystal, did priebus and karl rove slip up and tell the truth? are all these attempts to scare her from the sflas. >> i think it's a little bit of that. i think they're trying to remind her just how awful the scrutiny is when you're in the media spotlight, when you're under the microscope. during the obama administration, the republicans used the clintons as a foil for obama.

they used them to say these are the good democrats we could work with, unlike this kenyan, muslim socialist, whatever else they want to call him. now they're starting to turn the ship around and go back to demonizing hillary clinton. which is natural stance for them. the other piece i think they're doing here is republicans are very dispirted about 2016 because hillary is so formidable. she's so far ahead in the polls. >> and they have a weak bench. >> they have a weak bench so they're trying to convince themselveses that she's not going to run. she has some brain problem that's going to make her unable to deliver the goods. it's their best hope so they're clinging to it. >> karl rove, here's what you wrote about karl rove and his attack on hillary. quote, he knows the gop has no logical route back to the white house except to hobble its ablist democratic rivals, so this is a sacrificial mission by

rove. he'll try to take down clinton, even if he goes down with them. now, that's a very interesting statement. just how ugly do you think karl rove is willing to get? >> i think pretty ugly, you know? now he's backtracked a little bit. now he's asking questions. he said this weekend i'm not asking kbes, i'm not suggesting she's hiding anything. i'm just expressing human concern about another human being. that's so not true. the day he did this, the day he launched this attack, he went through this whole conspiracy theory and ended with we need to know what's up with that. so he moves around, he changes stories based on what's selling and what's not selling. but he's also, i think, taken some real hits and he's showing he's willing to do that, because his party, they moved away from things they used to believe in, right? they used to routinely -- not routinely, but they would rasz the minimum wage, they used to believe in infrastructure. for both job creation and for --

there are some things that were bipartisan that they would do. >> just a matter of government. >> they don't do those things anymore. they have nothing to tell the american people. they have no story. they have no way to address the concerns that you opened our hour with. and so it's just smear her and hope for the best. >> you know, krystal, karl rove says he has no regrets, though, about questioning hillary clinton's health. watch this. >> any regrets? is. >> no, no. look, my point is this. she's a human being. you would not a be human and not have a serious brain injury like this was and take it into consideration if you're thinking about going and doing what she might do. >> so this was concern for her? >> yeah, look. [ laughing ] >> yes, i'm concerned as one human being for another, but i'm more concerned about people saying she's in. this is a done deal. i'm not so certain. >> even the folks over there at fox find it laughable that karl rove would have, quote, concern

for hillary clinton, krystal. >> i'm sure hillary can really grateful that karl rove is looking out for her and her well being. >> this is the goal here, right? he puts this narrative out there about, well, maybe she's too old and maybe her health isn't good enough. and even as he sort of stands back and says i'm raising the concern as a human being. i'm not even really asking questions. even as he's doing that, people are talking about it. and it's being raised as a lit issue. >> and that's the point. >> he doesn't have to get electriced to anything. he doesn't care if people hate him for doing it. >> lynne cheney, he's still pushing the theory that the clintons were somehow behind the monica lewinsky recent "vanity fair" article, joan. listen to this. >> i was really paying the clintons a large compliment. i was saying how clever they are politically and that it seemed to me, if you had something that

might come up during the campaign, that would be damaging, it was very smart to get it out of the way early. so that's my case, chris, and i'm staying with it. >> you know, the clintons are really lucky they have her complimenting them and cheney. and they have karl rove concerned about them. all of this care they're giving them. >> the kindness is overflowing when it comes to hillary clinton. i'm so imprezzed. karl rove gave a radio interview to hue hewitt's take. his take was i'm concerned about you. have y have the dastardly democrats set you up. play the victim and blame those terrible democrats. >> but the problem is this, they're starting to believe it. and part of the problem, krystal

is they are incredibly polarized and divided within the party. itself. i mean, majorities of republican voters support immigration reform, background checks on gun sales and raising the minimum wage. the republicans in congress are blocking all of those things. is the only thing that conservatives agree on is don't -- that they don't like hillary clinton and they really don't like president obama? is that the substitute for unifying agenda? >> pretty much. essentially what the republican party has been running on and has been fuelled by is emotion. right? anger, fear. so they'll use these conspiracy theories, they'll use coded langua language. the other parts of the their platform that should be substantive economic pieces in particular are completely bankrupt and have essentially been exposed.

>> unemployment insurance still isn't extended. they're talking crazy. thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank, reverend. >> be sure to catch crystal on "the cycle" weekdays at 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. coming up, this mississippi political blogger arrested for allegedly sneaking into a hospital and taking a picture of senator cochran's sick wife. now there are all kinds of questions about the senator's challenger. did the mcdaniels campaign know about this ugly hit job? plus, remember crazy uncle sam, those ads that tried to scare young people away from getting health coverage? well, he's back. and he's apparently a very big spender. and can you be too rich to jail?

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politics can get ugly, but a republican senate primary in mississippi has gotten down right dirty and bizarre. at the center of this mystery, a conservative senator thad cochrane and his very conservative tea party challenger chris mcdaniel. senator cochran's wife has lived at a nursing home for over a decade, suffering from dementia. and this weekend, a conservative blogger named clayton kelly was arrested, accused of sneaking into her nursing home and photographing this bedridden woman. her photo was then posted online as part of an anti-cochran/pro

mcdaniel video that was being called a hit piece. the story is bad enough. but a new voice mail is raising more questions, specifically what did the mcdaniel campaign know. at about 7:45 on saturday morning, chris mcdaniel's campaign manager left this message for cochran's campaign manager. >> i know that chris is very upset about it, and we just felt like he needed to have a personal phone call, certainly with you, but he really wanted to have one with senator cochrane if that could be at all possible. >> chris is very upset. but how did he know? the story wasn't reported on the clarion ledger website until 9:24 a.m. and at 9:47 a.m., mcdonnell --

mcdaniel's spokesman said he knew nothing about the arrest or the news. even mcdaniels himself told a reporter that morning that he had no idea about the story, saying, quote, i don't guess i had been awake long enough to see what's happened. he also said the man in custody doesn't ring a bell. but here's a photo that kelly posted of himself with mcdaniel on facebook. that man, he says, doesn't ring a bell. the mcdaniels campaign said they would never in a million year condone kelly's action, but is there more to the story? the investigation is on in mississippi. joining me now is alexandra jaffio, a reporter for "the hill." thanks for come on the show tonight. >> thank for having me. >> now, you were at an event with mcdaniel when the news broke. when you asked him about it, what was his reaction? >> he did seem visibly

surprised. he seemed like he hadn't heard the news. he definitely hadn't seen the report. i actually broke about 9:30 and i was reading it on my phone watching him talking to supporters and i confronted him with it. i'm reasonably sure that he hadn't seen the news, but of course, that was contradicted by the voice mail. >> now, so you were there at 9:30. he seemed surprised. said he had no knowledge of it. yet mcdaniels campaign manager, who left the voice mail was actually at that same event with mcdaniel. doesn't that make it even more odd that mcdaniels didn't know anything about the news when the campaign manager who had left that voice mail two hours before was standing right there at the event? >> right. well, what the mcdaniel campaign has said happened was she kind of briefed him very bare bones. gave him just a notice that this was going on and they needed to

call the cochrane campaign before she did end up calling him and they gave him a fuller briefing later in the day. when i confronted him with these details, it was a little bit muddy and he wasn't really sure what had gone down and perhaps didn't draw the connection between what he was told earlier and the story i confronted him with. he's been standing by that series of events. >> so when she left the message at 7:45 that he was upset about what had happened and wanted to talk to cochrane, they're saying he really didn't know what had happened. >> they're saying he dependent know the full grasp of the details. >> so what did he want to talk to him about if he didn't know what had happened. >> that's the question. the impression was that she gave him a notice that she had to call the cochran campaign about an issue but didn't really give all the details. that's when i confronted him about the details it seemed like he hadn't learned about the situation. >> breitbart is saying that they

knew about this picture of cochran's wife for weeks now. what can you tell us about that? >> they came up with these new e-mails, the day this video went online. and she blasted out, you know, campaign staffers saying how can we get this taken down, this is appalling? we don't want this going on in the campaign. it's clear that melanie had known about this for weeks. the question is, you know, did she confront senator mcdaniel with this? what else, you know, did she know going forward. and those are actually questions that cochran's campaign has raised. >> now, there's another part of the voice mail that's getting attention. take a listen. >> we don't know this guy. we have no idea who he is. he's been arrested by the madison police. it's one of the most despicable things i have ever heard of. >> we have no idea who he is. except later in the same

message, she says this, listen to this. >> there was some stuff several months ago where this guy was doing some insane stuff online. we found out about it, chris and i immediately sent a bunch of volunteers to try to find who was the source of just a lot of ugly rumors, and masty staff and we wanted it squashed. >> what do you make of this contradiction. we don't know the guy, we don't know who it is. then in the very same message, we know the guy did some strange stuff online a while back. what do you make of this contradiction? >> the impression was he's very prolific in the conservative activist class. he's well known among those folks but not at all affiliated with the campaign, not friend with any campaign volunteers, hasn't campaigned for them.

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police say -- goodman refused to let him out, so the passenger had to do i have out of the ferrari as it slowed at an intersection. he then called 911. >> i got a ride from this guy and he's in a ferrari, and he sped away from the cops and he took a sharp corner and i jumped out of the car. i'm calling because i'm scared. he smoked them, man. i mean, he went so fast. i just kept begging him, please, please, i have a son. >> good manslaughtman kept goino a house and two other cars before the police were able to catch up and arrest him. goodman pleaded guilty to the dui. under washington law, a blood alcohol level above 0.15 with two to three previous offenses

requires a mandatory minimum sentence of jail time of 120 days. goodman's blood alcohol level was 0.16, over twice the legal limit. and he had six previous duis. but he received only one year of work release. meaning he's free to go to work all day, only spending nights and weekends in jail. local residents were outraged, gathering outside the courthouse on friday to protest the sentence 37. and now that passenger who had to dive out of the ferrari is speaking out, saying goodman is getting special treatment because he's rich. >> i have never felt the actual feeling of hey, you're probably going to die. >> there's people that are less fortunate that get the shaft more, you know what i mean? and i just think that that's wrong. >> joining me now, carmen st.

georgia, criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst faith jacobs. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. faith, seven duis? a high speed chase in a ferrari and all he gets is work release? how do you explain that? >> it's almost unexplainable. because as bad as it is to drive drunk, this case is really about the worst kind of drunk driver, the repeat offender. right? this is his seventh conviction for driving drunk. so that means that the fines that he's been fined to before, the rehabilitation programs, the taking away his driver's license and suspending it, none of those things have worked. and now you have an individual who is putting other people's lives at risk because nothing has worked and he still continues to drive under the i fluns. -- influence. >> six times. when you look at the fact that this guy's record, did he

deserve any leniency? even the prosecutor was defending this sentence. listen to this. >> in fact, he was given a maximum sentence for dui, 364 days in jail. couldn't give anymore than that. and it would be an incentive for him to adopt a stable and sober lifetime at this point in time. >> but he was given work release for 364 days. not jail. he goes to work, only goes to jail on weekends and at night. and he had six previous times that he had been arrested and dealt with for dwi. how much incentive are you going to give him? >> well, on its face, it appears problematic. because of the priors. but you have to look at the fact that the prosecutor in this case is going along with this sentence so there's something within the facts of this case that differentiate it. so i would parlay it to money is no measure of a person. we all have to accept our consequences for our choices.

as much as we want to debate it here, the prosecution agreed with the sentence to put him in a rehab type of process at this particular point. in hopes that in the future, this person who has been negatively affected because of economics will prove to be different as we move forward. >> you know what got to me, faith, and i see you ran up out of the seat, but the judge even let him go to the super bowl. >> right. >> i mean, good manslaughter ma -- goodman made headline when the judge allowed him to i tend the super bowl. the judge said it was a once in a lifetime opportunity to see his home tatown team play in th super bowl. what incentive is that? >> what is specific about this individual, why is he catching so many breaks in the system, right? because really when you look at 120 days mandatory minimum for

this crime, the only way that can be set aside, if it would have a significant impact on the physical and mental well being of the individual. the judge is saying him going to prison for taking him away from his business and out of the community for a certain length of time would really have a physical and mental impact on him in a negative way. but we don't see that type of argument for poor defendants. we don't see that type of arguen't for black and brown defendants. it's now repeatedly successfully used for white, wealthy defendants to get out of going to prison. >> that's the problem. we had this outrage, ethan couch who came from a wealthy family, killed four people drunk driving. he got ten years probation, no jail time. robert h. rich pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting his own daughter and he also only got probation and no jail time. seven duis, running around in a ferrari like this and you get

work release? there's nowhere you can show me, because we're looking and we'll find something, that poor people get seven duis and the prosecutor says oh, it's all right. and by the way, it's a once in a lifetime thing for them to go to the super bowl. let them go. >> look, let me put it to you this way. what about the indigent defendant, the disadvantaged youth who comes to court and the judge says you know what, in this particular case i'm going to sentence this child or young adult leniently. more leniently because of the fact that he grew up in this indigent household. and let's hope that's a better future moving forward for that child. this has passed muster in court. >> on his seventh offense? >> nobody is saying they approve of this. >> and the super bowl. >> washington is certainly different than new york. if i were the judge sitting on this case, there's no way that i would permit a defendant in this

position to leave the state for this reason. >> at some point, it's not about the leniency, it's about protecting the rest of us. people who don't need to be on the street with this man who's driving. a first or second offense for dui, yes. they obviously have a drinking problem. however, four, five, six, seven times down the road? we don't want you to kill someone. this is someone who has no control, does not need to be on the street. and we need to be protected from this individual. >> ion colluding the guy in the car with him and he had a house and two other car ps .what about those people that were impacted and those protections and their rights. >> there's no doubt emotionally this brothers us. the question is whether the affluenza disease should be used in court as a defense. you could parlay it to a woman who uses the emotional abuse defense with the husband or a situation where a defendant

comes forward and says these are mine -- these are my situations which i have faced that causes me to put this forth as a defense for you to consider in my sentencing. >> it's another example of the dispearties. we talked about this before. when it comes to race, when it comes to money. there are disparities in ou system. this is another egregious example of this. >> carmen st. george and faith jenkins, thank you both for your time tonight. thank you, reverend. coming up, creepy uncle sam is back and he's spending big. hundreds of millions spent on losing. we'll explain. and 60 years after separate but equal was banned, first lady michelle obama gets very personal talking about her past and how far we've come.

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i have some scary news tonight. he's back. that's right, creepy uncle sam who tried to convince young voters to opt out of the president's health care law is back with a new video. creepy uncle sam has run out of ideas because the new video is about an old issue. the problem with healthcare.gov.

>> oh, he's maybing it rain all right, but the rain is coming down on the gop's repeal parade. because ads like this haven't worked. a recent poll showed that 61% of americans think we should keep the law as is or improve it to make it work even better. and that's despite an avalanche of negative attack ads. since the law passed in 2010, gop groups have spent $418 million in negative tv ads. that includes 880,000 separate ads attacking the law. but all those ads, all those republican dollars have failed. the law is working. it's helping millions of americans, and there's nothing that creepy uncle sam can do about it.

joining me now is ann falipik from the group enroll america, which worked to sign up people for health care. and democratic strategist margie omara. thank you both for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> how did you help get 8 million people signed up for health care despite creepy uncle sam and $400 until negative ads? >> well, reverend, i think it really comes back to this. when it comes to the issue of health care for their families, americans are not interested in politics and the misinformation that's coming along with those sorts of ads. they're interested in the facts. and the really powerful thing, and i think that tells a lot about dmur of the affordable care act, the more people have the facts, the more interested they are. and what we saw is at the end of the day, in this first enrollment period, over 12.8 million americans gained access to coverage through the marketplace, floug medicaid and

through chip. and that number is rising day by day. so at the end of the day, ads like that, they aren't working because americans are taking steps to enroll. >> is creepy uncle sam a symbol of the gop's failure to stop this? and come with propaganda? >> well, i think it comes back to what we've seen over and over again from opponents of the law. and that is about spreading misinformation, not really an interest in giving people the facts of what this means to them. now we're seeing that millions of people are gaining coverage. that conversation is starting to shift. s in not a conversation where scare tactics work the same because people are starting to hear the stories of their friends and neighbors who have gotten coverage, who are going to the doctor, and are really starting to see the benefits of having that coverage. >> marge, on the affordable care act, since 2010, negative ads as i said, $418 million. positive ads, $27 million. that's 15 to 1 advantage for

folks trying to tear down this law. how many cancer screenings and senior medications could all of that money have paid for, marge? >> you're exactly right. there's a huge opportunity cost here. and when people see how much money and how much effort and how much negativity has gone into this republican campaign to repeal obama care, which is not something that people want, as you noted, it's going to make people even more disgusted with politics, even more disgusted with a lot of these republican tactics. think if all that money had been spent on trying to reach out to people who have felt left behind by the republican party. if you want to just focus on the political spending. think if they had been trying to spend b that money on outreach for people who hadn't voted republican for a long time. they're just playing a political game. they're just trying to beat the block. they know that as more people,

as more people get enrolled, experience health care, tell their friends it's going to be harder and harder to make this political case. >> gor nor bobby jindhal wrote an op-ed piece saying yes, we can still repeal obamacare. he said the country that won two world wars and put a man on the moon cannot, it is believed repeal a disastrous public policy? says who? why not? >> for republicans, marge, repealing the law is really equivalent to putting a man on the moon? >> it's hardly a scientific feat, right? it's just a political distraction. it's something a lot of folks who opposed the obama administration no matter what, what they're focus on. if we didn't have this repeal

effort, it would be something else. >> yesterday on "meet the press" dr. ben carson was on. and he ended up trying to defend his comment comparing health care law to slavery. listen to this. >> people who are well read and particularly -- >> you said it is slavery in a way because it is making us all subservient to the government. >> right .i said in a way. in a way anything is slavery that robs you of your ability to control your own life. >> how is this robbing us of our ability to control our lives? isn't it giving people new options in their life? >> well, and i think you're exactly right. if you talk to one of those 12.8 million americans who have gaengaen ed access to coverage, and we hear their stories every day.

they're not lying awake at night fearing a broken bone will lead to bankruptcy. they're not worried about sending their kids to basketball practice. there's such empowerment and relief that comes from having health coverage. and these are the stories we hear every single someday. but again, there are lots of people out there still opposing this law, opposing the implementation, and that's why groups like enroll america need to roll up our sleeves and get people the facts about what's available to them. >> marge, the conversation is changing, ann says, and it's changing because it is working for millions of americans, i think, is what she says. is the conversation changing among the media pundits? >> yeah. you know, i wish sometimes that folks in washington were smart as voters out across america. and you have a lot of people across america as ann mentioned who need health care. they don't see it as a political football. they see it as something they need for their families to

survive. and they began confused because it was new to everybody, and are now getting more experience with it. here in washington, we've divided ourselves into camps and there's not a lot of movement there. we're in ours and it's unfortunate the political dialogue has hardened as much as it has. >> thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> still ahead, a paralyzed former football star stuns a crowd with an amazing story of struggle and success. also, the first lady's powerful vision of a new america. how far we've come and how far we have to go. you'll want to hear this. stay with us. i missed you, too.ou. hi buddy. mom! awesome!

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60 years after the supreme court outlawed separate but equal schools, first lady michelle obama is making progress. and marking progress at the same time. over the weekend, she returned to the city where the brown versus board of education was born. topeka, kansas.

but she also warned that 60 years later, schools are becoming more segregated. >> see, many districts in this country have actually pulled back on efforts to integrate their schools. and many communities have become less diverse has folks have moved from cities to suburbs. so today by some measures, our schools are as segregated as they were back when dr. king gave his final speech and result, many young people in america are going to school largely with kids who look just like them. and too often, those schools aren't equal, especially ones attended by students of color which too often lag behind. with crumbling classrooms and less experienced teachers. >> but then she talked about her hope for the future. and remembered the progress she's seen, the progress she's

lived growing up in chicago during the struggle to integr e integrate. she talked in very personal terms about what she does when she gets discouraged. >> as a little girl who went to segregated schools in chicago and felt the sting of discrimination, i think about my husband's grandparents, white folks born and raised right here in kansas, product themselves of segregati segregation. good, honest people who helped raise their biracial grandson, ignoring those who would criticize that child's very existence. and then i think about how that child grew up to be the president of the united states and how today -- [ applause ] -- that little girl in chicago

is helping to raise her granddaughters in the white house. >> her point was about moving forward to a better future. and that is the point. yes, there are many challenges ahead. yes, their disappointment, but think about how we got this far. by not accepting the disappointment and keep moving ahead. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton, "hardball" starts right now. hillary's obstacle course. let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this big focus on hillary clinton. is there any real reason she shouldn't run for president? or is this just a smart way to build up suspense and