approved is this message. i'm you. >> that's all for now. see you on tuesday at 4:00 p.m. eastern. the ed show is up next. welcome to the to "the ed show" live from new york. let's get ready to go. there is so much more oil pouring into the gulf of mexico. >> on day 87, the oil stopped. if only temporarily. >> four years after the bp oil spill there's still an impact. >> still millions of pounds of oily material washing ashore today. >> the worst-ever environmental disaster. this is not over for louisiana. this is a marathon. >> correction, actually very good. what bp was using it for, to basically, hide the amount of oil that bp had really released in the gulf of mexico. >> devastated economically and emotionally by this spill. >> it damagedecosystem system.

>> the wildlife, now helpless in the face of the relentless on show flow of oil. >> a spill many animal habitats here simply eroded away. >> i heap, the regular people see it every day. but bp, they can't find it. thanks forewatching. you ever changed the oil in your car and come away with clean hands? ever gone into a mechanic's shop and seen everybody all clean? i grant it, you can clean up some things but the question is, can you clean up 210 million gallons of oil? or is this barrels? oh, who's counting? the gulf is great right now. we're getting a sell job we've never had before in this country. we start tonight where this image. this is a satellite image that was taken in the gulf of mexico

on april 27th, 2010. this spot right here is the water h deepwater horizon seven days into the spill. now two months later, june 25th, 2010. w 'the slick had taken a huge chunk of the gulf of mexico. and can we just inject some common sense into the american vernacular on the story? you just don't clean this stuff u stuff up in a few weeks or months or years. and now we're starting to question whether it's ever going to be cleaned up. the is this irreversible damage? some scientists say, yes. the question is, if this happened four years ago and it's still not cleaned up, what's going to happen? the keystone excel pipeline

thing doesn't work out and something happens over the aquif aquifer? we makemake decisions that will jeopardize our water supply. why would we do that? well, we have the big oil. 210 gallons of oil leaked out of this rig. bp has spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to convince you, no big deal. forget it. we got this thing right. and forget this image right here. this is the image they don't want you to see. this is the image they don't want you to talk about and they sure as hell don't want it on the news. overall you have to say their advertising campaign has worked. the national media really isn't jumping on it like they should in my opinion. we're going to be on it a lot. i think we're still going to make some dumb decisions down the road when it comes to fossil fuels. we've completely can't forget this story. as folks down in louisiana are saying now, hey, it's the philosophy of out of sight out

of mind. that's the strategy so far by the oil industry. meanwhile, for the people of the mississippi river delta, it's not out of sight. it's still very much in their mind and very much in their lives and destroying livelihoods. four years later, the bp oil spill is still plaguing the gulf of mexico. why are we satisfied where this? why aren't we up in arms over this? the oil is still washing up. it's still coming up on shore. the fishing industry has taken a major hit in sea life in the gulf. the sea life, well, it's in danger. here's cat island. this is a small island in the mississippi delta impacted by the oil spill. this is a picture of cat island taken in may of may of 2010. pretty awesome sight. isn't it? this island was the nesting ground for the brown pelicans. it's lush and green.

it was vibrant and full of life and full of wildlife. so last month joinurnal irists decided to republican down there. >> as the crew disembarked on cat island there was a pamable collective gasp. >> it looks like the arizona desert. >> it lookslike the result of fire here but unfortunately, there wasn't a fire. it was just a oil spill degradation. >> so here's the comparison. you know the old saying, a picture tells a thousand words. this is cat island in 2010. this is cat island in 2014. does that look like it's been affected by anything? the color of it? this to that. and these trees to this little nesting stuff here. and by the way, where the hell are the birds? the birds figure it out but we can't.

if this is bpees idea of recovery and this is the oil industry's answer to their mistakes, then this country is in deep trouble if we are allow this to continue on. this is what concerns the people of louisiana. wildlife and seafood in the gulf are in really bad shape. these pictures were taken last year. they showed deformed shrimp caught in the gulf of mexico. local shrimpers say it's a direct result of the spill. shrimp like this are caught all the time. they're doing a lot of sorting ask what they're doing. you know? this picture shows tar balls in a red snapper filet. how would you like to go in you're restaurant and say i think i'll have the red snapper on the menu tonight. throw in some tar balls. this is a redfish with tumors on it. if you're fishing and catch

something that looks like that, you think, i can't wait to get home and grill this play by! would you think there might be something in the water that's affecting that? this picture shows a deformed crab shell, always good for hor deurves, aren't that? clearly you can see that the shell is missing. and finally, this is an image all too common along the gulf in recent years. a dead dolphin. there have been numerous reports of dead dolphins washing up on shore. before the spill this was a rare occurrence, a very rare occurrence. scenes like this have crushed the louisiana seafood industry. wow! i just -- crushed, what does crush mean? here's a vibrant business that's been crushed. oyster buyers are reporting a 60% loss in business. who would like to take a 60% loss in business and say, everything is okay. the largest shrimp buy her the

state of louisiana says he's doing 4% of the normal business. so when i get up here on "the ed show" and talk to you about the effect s that man has on the environment, on our behavior, do you want to believe marco rubio, the senator from florida who thinks man doesn't have anything to do with this stuff? we can affect the gulf but we certainly can't affect climate change? how long we going to be ignorant on the subject? whooi would we take this risk? we're about to take another one. can you how much political pressure is being put on the pressure to say yes to the keystone excel pipeline when we have results likes this. i say it's an unnecessary risk and yes, the two stories are very much connected. if we want them to be. get you're cell phones out and i want to know what you think. do you think louisiana has recovered from the 2010 bp oil spill? text a for yes and b for no.

67622. or our blog at msnbc.com. we'll bring you results later on. keep in mind, this isn't just some little quarantined off area around louisiana that we found, you know. no. this is permeating throughout the gulf. for more, i want to bring in a man who knows all about this and who is living. it dean blanchard. the largest shrimp buyer in the state of louisiana and he's our only guest in our opening segment tonight because we want to give him time to tell us what is going on in the gulf. dean, good to have you on "the ed show" tonight. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, ed, it's a pleasure to be here. >> yes, sir. what's going on? how was your shrimp business impacted by the spill? >> well, basically, i was looking at my figures before i came here. for the first 18 days of the month, before bp in 2009, we did

2,666,000 pounds and this year we did 129,000. the numbers are clear. your not doing anywhere they're in the poundage that you used to do before the spill? >> not even in the same ballpark. you know? we're down to about 4%. it's a tough situation. it's hard to just imagine getting 4% of your check and see how good you'd be doing. >> well, what is happening? what is -- is the shrimp not edible. able to bring to market? what do you see and what's happening to the shrimp? >> basically, bp didn't pick up the oil. they came in and sprayed it. they actually refused to let the fishermen that were working for them pick up the oil. when the fishermen find oim they would make the fishermen leave and go about five miles away from the oil and throw anchor and come in at night with planes and spray itnd sink it to the bottom and the shrimp have to be

able to bury on the bottom to hide and basically what bp did was asphalt the bottom of the gulf of mexico. in you seen that tar ball my nephew was holding, can you imagine trying to bury through that? it would be like triing to burrough through the highway. >> you're not the only seafood businessman down there. what's happening to everybody else. if you were the biggest one what's happening to a lot of the rest of them? >> i'm about the only one in about a 30-mile square. and basically, we got about a 50-mile square that's -- we still have three areas. even though bp has the commercials saying everything is opened and everything is good, it's not true. we still got three areas that remain closed from the spill. some say it was doing good but it's getting less and less. if you look at what happened alaska, five years after the spill, when they had a complete chance of the industry and i got

a bad feeling we're looking at the same thing. what's the definition of same thank what's the definition of insanity to do the same thing and expect a different result? >> let's talk about these areas that are closed that i understand you're not allowed to go into those areas. why is that? >> because bp came in and basically, we was like taking over. i live on a little seven-mile island and bp came in with their own policemen and came with the military and they came in with the coast guard and everybody was working for bp. they would tell was we could go and where we couldn't go. it was like being taken over by a communist country. they tell you can't go there because bp don't want you there. places we went all our life. they took our freedom away from us. >> is that the way it is right now. >> it's gotten better but, i mean, it's still the same thing. if you try to go to one of the

islands with a camera crew or camera to show the public what's really going on the coast guard will come out there and run you off. >> the coast guard will? >> the coast guard would come out and run us off? >> yeah. the coast guard ought to change their uniforms to green. they're note working for us no more. they're working for bp. >> what about the people that are consuming the food? how hard is it to convince people that what you selling is fine and not tainted and they're going to be all right? >> we are got lucky because we had that dmuk lar thing in japan. i give them two options. you can get olives with oil in the gill or the one from japan 1245 glows in the dark. >> that's a hell of an option, isn't it? >> that's about what your looking at. it's ridiculous. you got stuff like on 60 minuteses and showing people are collecting money. we haven't collected since 2010. they have documentaries like

"vanishing pearl" that shows the people that made their living off the gulf. it's a shame what they did. a lot of people are suffering. every day we got to see it. bp ought to be ashamed of themselves and the government ought to be ashamed of themselves for allowing it to happen. >> so is bp lying in their commercials. >> if bp is temperatures you the sun is shining you better look. bp stands for bad people or buy y bayou polluters. >> and there has been a true -- >> no. it's a complete lie. complete lie. >> complete lie. tell us about the zoning map. >> well, basically, if you look at the match i map i sent you, there's a yellow area that's leased by the oil companies, so when bp says it's paying

billions of dollars, what they're not telling you is they're giving it back to themselves. look at where we live at. they put us in zone b where all around us, to the north, south, east and west, is zone a. but all that land nobody lived there. so where the regular people live l live nobody is getting paid. we got the oil and it looks like florida got the money. >> bp executives are claiming, at least in the story on "60 minutes" there's been a lot of fraud when it comes to the payout. >> bp wanted the fraud. they cut the deal to make it looklike fraud so they could appeal -- they wanted to become a victim instead of the villain. i told the lawyers when they cut the deal it wasn't a good deal. it was a good deal for bp. we offered to tell bp who was in the fishing industry and we offered to help them pick up the oilnd it took us about three wreex to realize they didn't want to pick up the oil. and they just refused any help. they wanted this to happen.

they know what they're doing. this is not the first time they've killed people or caused a mess in the world. they're wrooirl experienced at it. >> have you had conversations directly with any senatortion or congressional members. >> i talked to all our senators. i go to washington regular trying to keep them informed of what's going on. >> what do they say? what does it have vitter say? >> if believe mary is trying to help us and vitter is trying to help us, too. bp is a tough 234u9 to. bp been paying off these senators and representatives for many, many years. especially in louisiana. if the economy in louisiana depends on the oil. my father is in the oil business and my two brothers are in the oil business. it's a fine line for somebody like mary. i think she does a good job walking the line, but, we -- i ain't -- i have nothing against the oil company but we are need

them to do it right. people like bp that don't live here and don't care about us, i ain't got no use for them. they're not a safe company. how many times it got to happen before somebody puts the brakes on those people. >> so there's not been enough financial restitution as your saying and the clean-up effort has fallen way short. is that fair? >> stlfs there was no cleanup. >> the temperature cal they put on the top to drop the oil to the bottom and now it's coming back up? >> if you were trying to pick it up and it's floating on top of the water why would you sink it to the bottom if you wanted to pick it up. >> they didn't want people to see it. 'sier to get it out of sight than to pick it up, i would imagine. quickly, dean, what's the future? >> well, that's the problem. the uncertainty. we don't know what we're looking at. it's hard to run a business and when you can't run a projection of what's going to happen next. i'm trying to convince my wife

when she goes to the mall, she can only spend 4% but she's not buying that too well. >> that would probably be harder than the clean-up, wouldn't it? >> all right. dean blanchard, good to have you with us on "the ed show" and we'll stay on the story. thank you very much for being so can 2kid. coming up, the governor's race is getting heated in the sunshine state of florida. the rapid response panel weighs in. first, north dakota falls to last place in marriage equality movement. stay with us. ♪

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i couldn't lay down it was a i couldn't sit up because it burned so much. as first lady of our church we have meetings. we have activities. and i couldn't do any of that. any time anything brushed up against this rash it would seem like it would set it on fire again.

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nation has decided that we're reporting. here are today's top trenders reported vote on by you. >> we're all prejudice in one way or the other. >> the number three trender, zip it. >> another nba owner at the center of controversy. >> i know i'm prejudiced and bigoted in a lot of ways. >> mark cuban apologizes for his hoodie comments. >> if i see a black kid in a hoodie at night on the same side of the street i'll probably go to the other side of the street. >> he's just being honest. >> he describes a black kid in a hoodie as threatening and the pair legal to the trayvon martin case madite rage. >> people agreed but people were a little disappointed in how he expressed his views. >> the number go trender on a stroll. >> the bear is loose. broke out of the age. >> you hear that, ed. bears! >> president obama holds an impromptu meet-and-greet on the mall. >> how you doing? a german group.

we had a number of chinese families. i explained to them, go back to your countries and say any time you can come and visit the united states, the president greets you personally. >> the best day of my life? >> and today's to have trender? altered states. >> state bans on same-sex marriage are drops like flights across the united states. >> pennsylvania will be the 19th state to legalize same sex itunes ons. >> americans support for same-sex marriage has reached an all-time high. >> south dakota couples fight for equality. >> six same-sex couples filed a lawsuit to block south dakota's ban. >> like the rest of the country, it's a state full of loving committed individuals in of happen to be the same sex. >> cases are currently pending in 30 states with gay marriage bans. >> why wouldn't we want equality for all? >> state senator told me today he has reason to believe i suit

will be filed in north dakota in the near future. >> it's a matter of time before other states no matter how conservative, like north dakota, follow suit. >> and i'm joined tonight by political commentator and tv host, and mike rogers of raw story.com. mike thanks for doing the radio show today and i appreciate it. i had a previous commitment and i appreciate your help so much. i need your other help. you got to get to north dakota and straighten things out, so to speak. what is going to happen with all of these being back on the ballot again? will it follow the pollings? will the votes follow the polls? >> i think they will. i think what we're seeing clearly is this is the last state to file a suit and what's most interesting is this is the exact plan play-by-play, that was developed by the folks over at free to marry, which is to amass a critical mass in the yes of people and the numbers of states that come forward and

support marriage equality and what we have since june, since the famous windsor ruling from the supreme court, not one lawsuit has been lost. again, not one lawsuit has been lost since that and now, somebody will step up because we know we love north dakota, ed. obviously. and someone will step up and make that happen. >> north dakota has a very unique history. they have a state-run bank. bound to do anything. they're the last one. john, what's up with that? are we going to see rural america. completely change its direction on gay marriage or marriage equality? >> it's already begun. i'm thrilled about north dakota. it's interesting. they're the last one. think about all the gay couples we know. how many are fighting to have their nuptials in fargo. it's a sign of how moral we've become as a nation and a great indication that if you support gay marriage in the '90s or last decade you were not liberal, you

were prematurely mainstream. >> if 30 states have challenged, how many will get struck down? >> 50. >> it's going to happen to every state. eventually this will be the norm. it's amazing. when you think this began in the 'outrageous because of the aids crisis. lgbt americans wrated for the government to solve its problems and they led the way and as a result, people coming out of the closet and marching on the streets we've seen the swiftest advancement. and it happened because of a plague. it's very fitting the supreme court has this ruling during easter week. >> mike, what's the turning point? pennsylvania governor tom corbett chose not to appeal the decision in pennsylvania and former senator rick santorum, quite the activist, has been silent on the ruling. are the republicans politically realizing that they are just fighting a losing battle here?

a societal trend? >> i think the turning point in many ways has been this wave across the country. when you look at the nation, 44% of americans can now marry in the state that they live and many other states are recognizing it and i think that john the hit the nail right on the head. prematurely mainstream. it's folks coming outs and being honest but also, john, people like you and people like you, ed, who have been out there as our allies in the fooer frooent bringing our friends along. that's what's really been making this happen. and again. it's the plan. >> and a level of fairness has been injected into the conversation that wasn't before.

what is 2014 going to be, gentlemen? >> 2014 is going to be benghazi, benghazi and benghazi. there's no legislative awe again ta. they know they lost and they know they're losing on immigration reform and they'll exploit those four murdered americans to use against their commander-in-chief as a chief smear for votes. they can't run on this but their platform has a problem and the beautiful irony is that karl rove built this house of lives. ten years ago he said your heterosexual marriage will hang by a thread if you let these gays so the same liberty. conservatives should have been leading the fight. the people opposed to same-sex marriage tend to be trapped in lame sex marriages. >> '04 to 2014. what's it going to be? >> one of the best ways to look at it is on the radio show, matthew seigle from our time, which is the my when yael organization, we know where this is going.

76% of young americans support marriage equality. this is the cleanup. and john's entirely right. you're entirely right. this is how do we wrap it up. north dakota, now, that's 50 out of 50 that we're covered in. it's just a matter of time. no supreme court in this country will want to go down seeing this critical mass as the court that stood on the wrong side of history. that just isn't going to happen snoofd unless they clone scalia. six times. >> mike rogers, good to have you with us. thank you very much. still ahead, testing the waters in the sunshine state of florida. aye bewho. -- you betcha. hillary clinton in florida. we'll take the temperature. and later, the fight to crackdown on corporate tax avoidance republicans just want to keep lettingslide. that's the next. stay with us.

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he insults people. he's okay with calling people names. if we want action the american public says, it's tough. we got to solve the problems. who's going to make tough decisions and make sure my kid and grandchild can get a job? that's what they want. >> corporate generic garbage. well trained there, governor

scott. give me a break. who's going to make the tough decision? give me a break. would be a denier on climate change like the rest of your party? florida governor rick scott is all hat and no cattle. scott has no problem trashing his democratic opponent when it comes to talking to the head nodders on fox news. however, according to "the tampa bay times" twice this week scott declined to share the spotlight with his competitor and talk about the issues. scott was happy to make the rounds with scandal plagued new jersey governor chris christie. the republican governors attended a rga fundraiser on thursday, an event to benefit scott in the florida republic party. and an interesting choice. christie, who was once the gop 2016 frontrunner and now, according to the latest which n

quinnipiac poll, it's jeb bush. but florida republicans have every reason to be nervous because hillary clinton is still the one to beat and she yooirt polls all of them holding an 8-point lead over bush and a 12 point lead over the senator, marco rubio who is the champion of denial when it comes to climate change. and with immigration climate change and voter suppression at the forefront in florida, rick scott and his fellow republicans could find themselves in some real tough spots on the campaign dral, having to answer some direct questions about -- where do you stand on this? we have chairman of the brow ward county party and the miami-dade democratic party. let's talk florida politics tonight. first, i find it very interesting the evangelical christians there want governor scott to take a stand on claim change to the point where they put out a petition. is this going to be an issue in the governor's rates? annette, you first. >> i hope it is.

we are literally going to be underwater, especially on the eastern side of florida if we don't pay attention to climate change. i'm not surprised governor rick scott doesn't in it. marco rubio doesn't in it and the republican party doesn't in it. we have them saying that they're not oh of they just don't believe. even marco rubio last week said, god maybe wants the earth to get warmer. >> he's injecting that into it? >> what about this petition. will this -- you have the pope out there and respecting the earth and talking about creation. and now got the evangelicals saying, we have to recognize this and in fact, they even say it's pro life. how is scott going to walk this fine line? >> i think i9 will be, pardon

the pun, more than a ripple in this election. florida is is your rounded on three skieds. we're a peninsula, we're surrounded on three sides by water. it's interesting that rick scott 2ku7b9 know where to turn to the tea party for advice like he usually does? he's having a tif with evangelicals. rick scott asked when climate change said, i'm not a scientist. but lease the governor. at least act like a leader. follow science, not the tea party. not sure where to turn. he came from a science background so to speak. a medical back grind before his firm was embroiled in the greatest scandal in medicare history. and yet, he won't take a position on climate change. if you're the governor of florida, that's the most significant state to be affected and he hides saying, i'm not a science tigs. i think the evangelicals are in the right path at the right time. i don't know if aye catch the

movie noah to know the arc wasn't constructed by a bunch of different machines and robots. this is not a tough call. follow science, not the tea party. >> what about hillary's position on this? is this, annette, a real opening for the clinton machine to get there and is she trustworthy on the issue of climate change? >> yes. i think it's an opening for all democrats. we do believe in science. most kids even in second grade, in science. since the republican party believes so much in business why don't they look at the insurance bill that all of us that live here get and our insurance keeps going up and there's a reason. the insurance companies now what's coming so why don't they pay attention to business for that? >> what about scott's apparent refusal to be at the same place at the same time with charlie crist. >> he's in fear of charlie crist, frankly, in fear of democrats i think. i think he's in fear of

everybody kpecht the tea party. i think he realizes he's put himself in a narrow box. the problem with rick scott and we talked about it, he's going to spend more than $100 million in his campaign and his problem is that he's already been very well defined from the perspective of florida voters. and he's not like the polls continue stand lip indicate. for him to change his image would cost a lot more than the $100 million he'll spend on advertising tearing down democrats and trying to build himself up. he has an image problem no matter how much money he raises it can't cure. his image has been set in concrete now. i think he has a significant problem. he knows it and he doesn't know where to turn. >> where does jaeb bush go on climate change? is he going to be a denier like the rest of them annette? >> i hope -- he tends to be better on some issues and certainly from the hispanic perspective, he's been better on immigration. but he hadn't said anything yet. i don't know where he's going to go.

he's still, a lot of points like you said, 49 to 41 with hillary in his own backyard. so both jed and rue rubio have i problem with hillary. >> mitch, what about jeb bush on the national climate estimate? is he willing to put a cold shoulder to that and not it and stand with the republican party? >> well he's a little more cerebral than his brother, of course. and marco rubio, as we 15id with painted himself in the corner. he dried to break out of the tea booisht role and couldn't and i think jed will more or less hide on the issue for a while for as long as he can. i have no idea where he's going to go. he's shown a streak of independence which, frankly, doesn't serve him well in a republican primary for president. >> and then today, great to have you with us tonight.

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u.s. corporations are exploiting a tax loophole, but republicans don't want to close this one, not at all. democrats are fed up with it. >> we need to act because we simply cannot afford for a flood of tax-driven deals to damage our financial future. >> all right, what's going on here? a group of 14 senators and nearly a dozen house democrats introduced legislation this week to tighten rules on corporate tax avoid dance through inversion. inversion means companies reincorporate overseas even though the business and the management remains in the united states. there have been more than 40 instances in the last deck wade and the democrats think it's going to get worse. companies are doing the math and avoiding paying untils of dollars of taxes in this country each year but making the money

right here on our soil. a number of health care companies have done this technology. companies including applied materials and even the banana producer chaquita have produced deals to move overseas. it would essentially step any more inversions for two years. this gives congress times to pursue broad changes in the corporate tax code. big companies should not be allowed to avoid taxes at the expense of everybody else, but then again, they sure help ride the law. ron widen is the chairman of the senate finance committee. he is making a big push on this and kaudsing all the commotion. pulitzer prize-winning journalist david k. johnson joins us tonight. the author of "divided -- thegr inequality." how much money are we talk about here? and how much money are we going

to end up losing? >> over time, the erosion will be significant and it will be tens of balls of dollars a year. and what's really going on fundamentally, ed, is a lot of these companies have decided they want to continue to enjoy all the benefits of operating here in the united states, the richest market in the world, but they want you and i and the listeners to bear the murder of supporting the united states that makes their profits possible. they don't want to share in the burden. they only want to enjoy the benefits. >> and how much resource do these companies put into tax avoid dance? they get like an army of accountants together? they have whole departments to figure this stuff out? >> general electric parentally has 800 tax lawyers working on their staff. this is an enormous waste of intellectual fire pow fer we put it into research manufacturing, we've got people in careers that produce product i have results would be much better. and we're not seeing that.

and as long as you can game the system and make easy money off the tax system, we're going to see more and more of this kind of exploitation. >> they love to tell everybody that we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. what about that? >> on paper we do. if you're a domestic company and very profitable, you pay a high tax rate. but every one of the major international tax companies literally profits off the tax system. they siphon profits out of the u.s. and they literally make money off their taxes. i demonstrated in this numerous articles how it works. there are scholars who explain how it works. it's called stateless income. which is the ultimate goal. no tax anywhere. >> how much money will they throw at k street to stop any change from happening? >> as much as it takes.

one of the things really helping big business is the republicans understand that getting people riled up, that the tax system needs reform, but doing nothing about it is like an atm that perpetually puts money into campaign coffers. don't solve the problem, just keep drawing attention to it, let the democrats make noise about it and then accuse the democrats of somehow trying to ruin the economy. >> so we clearly have an archaic and outdated tax system because we haven't done anything in 30 years. is that correct? >> yes. we have a tax system in america that's very well designed for the middle of the last century. but we live in a different economy today and we need to have fundamental reform of our tax system. i'm actually work on a project to design a tax system for the 21st century. i'm trying to raise some money to fund the research on it. but we need a tax system that flows from order.

they're just talking about shifting burdens and making noise. >> david k. johnson, we'll follow up on that effort that you've got going. thanks so up many. that's "the ed shultz." "politics nation" starts right now. and you wonderful viewers have a great memorial day weekend. >> have a great weekend, ed. thank you. and thank you for tuning in. president obama confronts the broken gop. for years, the republicans have resorted to a do-nothing, block-everything strategy. bringing congress to historic levels of gridlock. in a desperate bid to undermine this president's agenda. and now the president is calling themg out for it. say, quote, when you hear a false equivalence that somehow congress is just broken, it's not true. what's broken