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largest health provider in the country has failed to provide vets with the care that they deserve. the shocking allegations that they kept a fake set of records and a real set. reports of great misconduct against staff cooking the books. a total of 26 facilities are under investigation. some patients are assigned to doctors who no longer even see patient p' patient patients. >> those are doctors who are no longer working there. >> the head of the va announced

reques yesterday that some would partner with local hospitals. his testimony did not convince everyone that he is the man to lead a turnaround that everyone needs. >> democrats had called for his oust ter. politically it is an easy way for these democrats to distance themself from obama. bob dole seemed to be backing away from h his earlier defense of his friend. he expressed his concertain about the va on birthdawednesda. >> when i hear allegations of miss conduct, whether it is lon wait times or cooking the books,

i will not stand for it. not as commander in chief but not as an american. so, if these al dpagss prove to be true. it is dishonorable and i will not holrate it period. i know he cares about it deeply and he has been a great public servant and a warrior on the united states of america. we are going to work with him to solve the problem. i'm going to make sure there is accountab accountableability to solve the problem. he cares deeply about the veterans and about the mission. if he does not think he can do

this, then i'm sure he is not going to be interested in continuing to serve. >> delays in dysfunction have plagued the agency for decades. service men and women put a huge strain on an already struggling health care system. the washington post pointed out this week, a bill fell short in the house just last month back in feb a big failed to approve a bill and what has happened is in

excusable. republicans refuse to admit what happened seemed disin jennous. should he go? what that do anything to affect the current issue. to get to the bottom of this i want to bring in colonel jack jacobs and the first vet van er the war to serve in congress. i want to start with a bit of news on the political front. >> john mccain has resisted calling for hick to resign.

he writes as a first step, he needs to carefully consider whether the best thing he can do now is to stand down from his post. john mccain, bob dole is starting to walk back in. we have these red state democ t democrats calling for him to go. when you look at this mproblem? >> in a word, no. >> it is irrelevant if he runs the outfit or no. at the end of the day, the results will be the same.

the rveterans network is in capable of what we need. >> it is a bur rock see. they do routine things in a routine way. any doctor will tell you delivering medicine is not routine. when we did not have a more efficient means of delivering health care to our country. >> do you agree with that? gentlem right. we put emphasis on the political side of it. in terms of voter reform. >> i love him.

but i disagree with him. he he needs to get on stop top this. when you look at the metrics. whether it is a joint commission, they do a pretty good job. there is a difference here on the scandal. once you are in, vet erans are happy. they are affiliated with high education institutions. the clinic where i'm from is partnered with hit. they have a academic that they

are affiliated. if you want to seeary h care physician. i have heard a lot of people cite the model for what the care should be.

what has your experience been? >> mine has been good. i do agree on this. the care that the va provides has been good. the va provides higher quality care than other systems. my husband has sought care in the civilian sector and the doctors said we don't know anything about blast injuries.

>> it makes it seem as if et is a political issue and not an issue for our fellow veterans. >> if you look at what the budget was in 2009 and what it is now. >> this is difference than what we have seen.

as you mentioned decades before. i think that he has shown that his leadership is moving things in the right direction. i think he is the best person to continue moving in the right direction. if he did step down would the senate be able to confirm a replacement? >> well, i've known rick for decades. for many many many years. he's a great guy, a great soldier and leader. one of the reasons that we have

the huge increase trying to access the health care benefits. he enfranchised those people who had the benefits. his organizization was not capable of happenedling the load it has before that. he's a good guy but i don't believe that anyone who is running could do better even if you could get the senate to conpermanent anybody. we need to not conflate everything that the va does into one thing. my complaint is about the ability to deliver timely mode kal care to all veterans. my own experience is that it cannot do that.

we have public private partnerships if you want depending on which side of the aisle you are on. med care and medicaid which can better deliver this care and it doesn't make sense to have this parallel universe. >> i want to pick that point up and what are the possible solutions here and let's take the bigger picture and look at the va. did it overwork and can we learn anything from the past. ♪ [ male announcer ] tora bora

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veterans week have an equal 21st century to fight our wars. my secretary of affairs will -- >> he was laying out his vision back then. it was with the idea of his over hall of the va. there has been a surge in claims. you had the agent of victims orange. if the president were to come to you and he said i want to make you the secretary of veteran's

affairs. you know this system. you know the problems with the system and what works. what would you tell the president? >> how do you fix the system? what would the president do to fix the system? >> most folks are completing the issue. there are the benefits which are going well. where it is uneven is the access. that is what there is a 14 day standard. you need to allow them to go under the private sector. they made the amounsment on friday. but to expand that it is like a pr oo triage. they said the patient center

commute care model. congress put the funding behind it. to allow that model to succeed to do that. again, we talked about this as a longer term issue. but where did the system has broken down where did it start to break. is there a root cause? with the breaking of the veteran's affairs department? >> i think the problems have been broing? >> as we wept into afghanistan and iraq va did not begin to ramp up to meet the growing needs and that is when things

starts to become more challenging i wanted to push back on the va providing quality care. independent outside assessments have shown that veterans seeking care meet the standards that have been set. my friends especially who have prosthetics would not want to get their care anywhere else in the world. he has sought care in the civilian sector in the commit. they do not have the type of care that he can get access to in the va. if you want to expand the ranks we need to make sure that we

ramp up the resources provided that we tipt to do that. >> you are veterans and you have had first happened experience. it sounds to me that you have had very different frence experiences. tricare was not the va. it is pretty much the same thing. you go to the doek ter and he said take these pills. >> tri care is a health insurance system. and he senlds a bill to the government and that is what mode care and medicaid is all about. the question is whether or not we need to spend the kind of money we do in order to take care of any sector in the government that has a parallel

system that costs a great deal of money and gives great care and terrible care and frequently does not provide access. thank you for joining the discussion this morning. we will see you later in the show. thank you for your service and appreciate you being here today. you can catch his show later today. >> that is right here on msnbc on 1 p.m. eastern time. some of the biggest name politicians were in court this week it is a story with national

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florida's governors rebels against jerry man derring. saying that the districts cannot be drawn. this is called the fair districts movement. the trial taking place this week. they will suing. they allege that the republican control ledge sla tour violated the gop. this week both the speaker of the state house beth of the republicans testified. there is still more testimony ahead. is this trial going to amount to anything? >> joining us to shed some light to this, he joins us now from miami. we can put the stat es up on th screen. closely contested they won it

narrowly in 2012. it was 19-6 for republicans in 2010. if you could take us through what the basics are on this case, do you think there is a strong case here? did the republicans violate this new law? >> right now there is no smoking gun. but it looks like we have a gun on the floor. he drew maps and those maps appeared to wind up in the hands of a florida state university student who was a college young republicans major and some of them are similar to the maps that got adopted.

you have a republican consultant winding up in the hands of the seeming consultant. it is not that simple but that starts to make an argument for the idea that there might have been intent going on here. specifically maps that favored corrine brown you featured her map or district and it is complicated but kimle process called bleaching. blackvoters tend to be in min minority districts. it makes the surrounding districts more republican are. >> there are threeinbants in

the state. in each district rkt the republicans packed in as many democratic voters that they could. they are safer. my experience has been when this has happened. the income bepts are okay with this. that is which they care about. has that happened as well? >> this would be our third case where there is an interesting alliance between black democratic lawmakers specifically with corrine brown. there was a piece of discovery

in which a consultant who talked about i'm quoting here scoop as many jews as possible. who represents part of south beach and the broward county area. everyone is doing this analysis. this doesn't mean that we are in tending to favor or disfavor them. the job is to remain in the job.

northeast florida has gotten the most attention. the case has to go on. the answer is we don't know. look, the cute old ways of doing business aren't working. but, you know, that goes to show in the past florida history hasn't worked. i get the intent of the law. at the same time if you are going to leave, how can we not commit political suicide, my thanks to mark. when we come back, the latest details and how that mass shooting at uc santa barbara unfolded.

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memorial day weekend has always been the informal kickoff for the summer season. which is why countless newspapers and online outlets put up their beach reading lists for the summer. not many political titles were on it. although, we also found out that new york governor andrew cuomo has scored a $700,000 advance for his book. it's going to be called "all things possible." we also learned exactly which

journalist hillary clinton plans to speak to when she promotes her second memoir "hard choices" due out next month. wasn't surprised to learn, i didn't make the cut. she's already written another memoir, but this new one will offer a candid view of what it will take for the united states to lead the world in the 21st century. in other words, this book appears to be the inevitable first step in a run for the presidency. always a certain amount of risk in writing this type of book before a run for office. how much can a candidate really reveal without turning off some part of the electorate? in 2008, terry mcauliffe wrote that just before the birth of his daughter, he left his wife at the hospital so he could attend a party for "washington post" reporter lloyd grove. he did the same thing for a fundraiser after the birth of his son. could argue that the best book in the genre is president

obama's boot dreams from my father," which was written before he was in office. most are calculated to be as bland and inoffensive as possible. writing a generic book that no one reads has become a box that every would-be president feels they have to check off. so what's the point of this? are we going to learn anything new from hillary clinton's book, or should we wait until she's done with politics when she'll be free to put on paper all the things she really thinks but that no candidate for national office would really say? would we be better if we retired the genre? joining us in washington is jack jacobs. he's been through the memoir process himself a few years back. and washington bureau chief at "the chicago sun times" lynn sweet joins us too. michael, i'll start with you. first of all, we say the

political memoir. in my mind, there's a distinction between "dreams of my father" by barack obama before he was in office, versus a standard political memoir that comes out in the middle of their career. >> or even the second book he wrote. >> two very different books. when we talk about that second kind, the one we're probably expecting from hillary clinton in a month or so. who actually reads these books? that's, i guess, what i'm curious about. is there a big audience? >> well, every human being you and i know will certainly be reading the hillary book and a lot more too. it'll have a huge readership because of who she is. it tells a lot about our society. 50, 70 years ago it would have been considered bizarre for any politician to write any kind of memoir unless they were at the end of their career. for instance, when john kennedy ran, he had not written a book about his heroism on the pt-109.

nowadays, it would be crazy for a candidate without that kind of wonderful episode in his record not to make the most of it. so i think the way to read a book like hillary clinton's or governor cuomo is to say, certainly, it's not going to be as can dad as if it were a book at the end of the life, but you're getting a couple things. number one, how they want to present themselves, presuming each of them wants to run for higher office again in the future. and the other thing is that these days, unlike 50 or 70 years ago, people are much more, and i think deservedly, interested in a candidate's life story. who this person is. these books can tell a lot. >> it's funny you mention jfk. the book he did write was about other people. so sort of an interesting change there in the last half century. here's an interesting -- this is sort of a spoof of what i'm talking about here. so the show "veep," they have come up with a fake political

memoir that selena myers supposedly wrote. funny thing is all the pages inside are blank. but lynn, let me ask you, when you look at the hillary clinton memoir coming out, as we said, she wrote one about 12 years ago just starting out as a senator from new york. had a huge advance for that she got. a lot of anticipation for that book. my memory of that was there wasn't a lot of payoff in that book. we look back and say, of course not. she was a u.s. senator, interested in running for president. there wasn't a whole lot she was going to say in that book. what do you think she's trying to accomplish for this new one? >> she also wrote "it takes a village." better you tell your story than someone else. there's already another book john allen and amy parns did about her time as secretary of state. it helps a few ways. it gets your thoughts together.

it's something written down, so it's a template for what you're going to do, whether or not you run. for peopler lesser than hillary clinton, it puts them in the marketplace of ideas and gives them a legal way when you're a member of congress to make a lot of money you otherwise could not. so when then-senator obama wrote "the audacity of hope," he already was a senator, that was about the only legal way he could get a lot of money. he was a hot author because of his rising star and because of his memoir. so there are multiple reasons nowadays if you want to run for higher office, you write that memoir. marco rubio did because it puts you out there. the most important thing, if you're a lesser person than hillary clinton, it gives you a legal way to have someone else pay for a book tour, which is like a political campaign. elizabeth warren just wrote a memoir. she's all over the country for the book tour, which is a legal way to travel without using political money, without taking

money unethically from someone else. and they serve as run-ups to campaign, testing the waters. that's exactly what then-senator obama did. he went almost seamlessly from his book tour to the campaign. >> so -- >> oh, combined with a lot of political funds raising from others along the way. >> so colonel, you've written a memoir. you were not, as far as i know, positioning yourself to run for office. i mean, yours was a little different in terms of you had a little more freedom to be candid, to be frank about it. just quickly, when you see a political memoir and you look at your memoir, do you see them as sort of analogous? >> well, they're very much different, but i'm not a fan of single factor analysis. frequently we discounts the financial implications, as lynn was talking about. we discount them all the time. there's $8 million involved.

this is not chump change. we're talking about a great deal of money. the second thing to keep in mind is the timing of it all. she's going to run for president of the united states, she's got to go through the grueling and obnoxious political process, fending people off from, you know, three or four standard deviations to the left of where she is and wants to be. and under constant attack from the other side of the aisle. one of the things that you can do is to try to control the arc of the public discussion. and to do that, the best way to do that is to get out there with a publication. so the timing of this -- forget about the money, but don't forget about the money. but the timing of this is significant. if you're going to start rolling, now is a good time. >> one of the questions she has to answer is, you know, her version of what happened when she was secretary of state. what did she do? what did she accomplish? this is a good chance for her to do that. when we come back, question i want to ask all of you is

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skepticism at the genre of the political memoir, especially the political memoir by an active politician. give us a suggestion here. is there one out there that maybe we should all read that will restore our faith in the genre, that defies the caricature we're putting out here? >> no. but, if you're interested in one that's actually quite interesting, jaim baker, the former secretary of state, wrote a book called "work hard, study, but keep out of politics," which is funny and candid and feels like you're sort of sitting with him for an evening telling war stories. it's a thousand times better than a book he wrote in 1995 at a time he was thinking of running for president called "the politics of diplomacy,"

which is bloodless. >> that's a perfect example. t lynn -- >> political memoirs are wonderful. you'll learn a lot. but you'll learn a lot more if you wait until the end of their lives. >> so hurry up and retire. lynn, do you like -- is there one that stands out you'd recommend to people? >> i like the memoirs written by people who may not be elected officials at the time. terry mcauliffe, now governor of virginia, wrote one about what i see as his continuing traveling tailgate party through politics. it was about politics relationships, his interactions with the clintons. right now i'm reading tim geithner's memoir, which seems more like a class assignment than something i would take to the beach. >> the mcauliffe one, that caused him some flak. he was honest in that. >> david axelrod is writing his memoir now. that'll be coming out soon. >> that's a good one.

colonel? >> nothing spectacular. i agree with michael. jack devine's memoir just came out. lots of interesting stuff there and some politics. gates' memoir was okay of the current crop. i mean, nothing spectacular. there are certain insights. but you have to go back a long, long way to get really, really good memoirs. they're really only by people who are at the end of the line. i like mark twain's observation about trying to recall what happened. he said, when i was young, i could remember everything whether it happened or not. now that i'm old, i can only remember the stuff that didn't happen. >> one of those great mark twain lines. i can't remember the site. i put it out there. but it was make your own political memoir title. courage to lead, the strength to persevere, whatever. >> the words to use, different combinations. >> they keep churning them out. anyway, i want to thank michael

for joining us this morning. appreciate that. msnbc military analyst colonel jack jacobs as well. (mother vo) when i was pregnant...

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when the dust settles in the 2014 midterm campaign is over, we could end up looking back at this week as a key turning point. it's because this week on thursday we learned that one of the richest liberal donors in america has a target list and some very big-name republican candidates are on it. billionaire tom stier has confirmed his super pac plans to spend as much as $100 million to knock off republicans they describe as climate science deniers. this is probably a good example. >> i do not believe that human activity is causing these dramatic changes to our climate the way these scientists are

portraying it. >> that was florida senator and potential 2016 candidate marco rubio that put him on the defensive and forced him to try to explain and re-explain his position. marco rubio won't be on any ballots this november >> but that's the kind of heat they want republican candidates to be feeling on the campaign trail right now. so who is tom stier? well, this isn't actually the first time he's thrown himself into politics. >> i'm tom steyer. i'm a businessman, a professional investor, and a proud democrat. i think mitt romney and i share an income bracket, although i guess we're never going to know for sure. >> that was at the democratic convention in charlotte in 2012. steyer is a former hedge fund manager who lives in california. climate change has become his driving passion. he's been called the left's answer to the koch brothers.

>> they're funding efforts in politics, but they're not getting up at 6:00 in the morning to go to work in politics. they're going to work at their refining businesses and chemical businesses. that's different because i quit my job in the private sector, which was by all standards a terrific job, in order to do this full time because i felt so strongly about it. >> steyer'ser pac is ready to name names. they revealed this week the republicans they're going to be going after. governor rick scott of florida, paul lepage of maine and tom corbett all head the list. he's also targeting cory gardner in colorado, joni.

that is the term for the warm weather temperatures that develop every once in a while off the pacific coast of south america affecting weather patterns around the world. el nino could be coming back. they made this argument. heat from the atmosphere could earn considerable news media attention, specially if record-setting global temperatures coincide with the extreme weather events typically brought on by el nino. this could ratchet up public interest in climate change, just as all those ads are hitting the air waves. states that the superpac is targeting are all blue states. this isn't about 2014. iowa, new hampshire, florida, colorado, pennsylvania, all states that loom large in

presidential primaries and general elections. this is about creating a foun station that he and other climate activists can build on in 2016. >> we are really pretty straightforward and transparent about the criteria for going into a state, which is really to see that we are supporting someone who is a proponent of the kind of thinking and legislation we think is necessary and important for the united states, to think that something substantive and important that will happens a result and it changes the way that state thinks for the long run. >> here to discuss what tom steyer and his superpac are up to. rehave joe rome and bill share ris and lynn sweet from the "chicago sun-times" back at the table. joe, tell us and tell steyer about the political climate he is walking into. this is an issue you have been trying to draw the attention to in the public spotlight in terms of getting elected officials to

look at that time and get it seriously. take the last five, ten years where the science has become more and more conclusive in terms of climate change being a real, man-made thing. has there been progress in terms of the political community or a regression? >> there was a peak of interest with al gore's movie. a lot of republicans flipped after obama got elected. media coverage dropped and public interest declined. the last few years, extreme weather, hurricane sandy, storm surge, droughts, super storms, heat waves. that has rebounded public opinion. all the polls show, the public want action. this isn't a priority issue for the public. it is not urgent compared to, let's say, your job or your home price. they understand, if we don't act now, it is going to be serious

ramifications in the future. polling says the public wants less air pollution, cleaner air, they want to protech the liveable climate for their children. i think it is a more receptive environment now than two or three years ago. >> the challenge for the climate change activist has been to connect that growing feeling from the public to the political system. there are issues within the democratic party we can talk about but you have got on the republican side almost this blanket position of, we don't want to deal with this right now. to try to make republican politicians feel a sense of urgency on that, tom styer, last year, he played in the virginia governor's election. ken cucccinelli had aggressively been a climate change denier and steyer, give you a taste of it. this is what he aired. >> lavish meals, travel on private jets, just some of the

gifts, ken cucccinelli took in the star scientific scandal. now, his office is under investigation for secretly helping an out of state energy company drilling natural gas from virginian's private property. the same company that gave him $100,000 in campaign donations. >> that's, a very effective sort of slick, hard-hitting political admirals. this is a guy with people around him who know what they are doing when it comes to politics. bill, you wrote, last fall, the politics of climate change were going to be brutal in 2014. when you look at what tom steyer is now doing, does that change your assessment at all? >> no. what tom steyer is doing is about climate in the abstract. do you believe the science or not? that's better political terrain for democrats. in ten days, obama is expected to announce a package of new climate regulations on all power plants. that changes the ball game. obama is doing the right thing

morally, on policy grounds. it is politically very treacherous. we have a recent example in australia. just last september, the lay party and that did a carbon tax. it was highly controversial. the conservative coalition made the number one pledge, we are going to scrap this and ousted the labor party. as prime minister of australia, someone said the argument for climate change is absolute crap. that's a quote. the only outright climate denier of an industrialized world in australia, because the party put it on the line. when obama does this in a week or so, he is putting it all on the line. >> we are talking about in election right now. the highest pro he file campaign in 2014 is in kentucky, the coal state. do you think there is a serious risk for somebody like rhymes in terms of a backlash? is that what you are arguing? >> keep in mind, steyer isn't

playing in kentucky. people in kentucky, louisiana, alaska, petro oil state, montana, coal state. those candidates will probably distance themselves from obama. the republican will try to say, that's a bunch of talk. if you want to stand up against this, you have to vote for me. how that exactly plays out, i can't predict. for the party at-large, for the liberal community at-large, there is an imperative to find a way to defend these regulations that go beyond the abstract and explain, this is not going to sock you in the pocketbook or change jobs. it is imperative we figure that out. not only might you lose a handful in 2014 but it makes a bad environment. >> we will pick up that point in a minute about what does tom steyer and climate activists do?

we'll get to that in a minute. lynn, in washington, the political class in washington. you cover it. you are down there. you know this world. what is the reputation of tom steyer? does he have any reputation? >> he has juice because he has money. this story is bubbling right now, because he did a briefing in washington last week with one of his political guys, chris la helm, comes out of the clin col white house, aggressive campaign, take no prisoners. he is one of the masters of disaster that helped most of the significant clinton disaster. chris lehane is field tested. the point is, in washington, if you have money and you form organizations, you get attention. what i think this is about in looking at the states, if i may drill down a different well, the first imperative of people that

care about the climate issues has to be to save the senate. because, if you don't do that, everything you are talking about is commentary as opposed to figuring that out. >> that raises the issue that we were just talking about a second ago that in terms of within the democratic party. if you look at it this way, if you take the democratic party in the abstract and the republican party in the abstract and look at the issue of climate change, you are more likely to get action on climate change from the republican than the democratic party? that democratic party relies on somebody like allison grimes winning in kentucky saying, you are upset about obama and coal. i am upset about obama and coal. someone in 2010 shot the climate change bill. when you look at the democratic party relying on people like that for its majority, what would that majority be worth. >> i think there is no question.

the majority is important, because ultimately, harry reid is the guy who is organizing the senate democrats. he is a believer in climate change and clean energy. i think what's important to realize is that independents tend to look at climate change the way democrats do. it is this narrow slice of the tea party. even in the republican party, moderate republican, moderate republican women, they care about their children, air pollution, clean air, asthma, all these things. the reason it works is an issue if you push it seriously. if you push it as you believe it, across the board, is that you are going to get independents. it is a wedge against some of the more extreme elements of the republican party versus the more moderate? the interesting things about australia different from the u.s. is that 90% of the media in australia is controlled by rupert murdoch. you are not exactly getting a level playing field going on.

>> rupert has his share of the u.s. media. we have the target list, iowa, new hampshire, michigan senate races. if the republicans win one of these, that math of winning six senate seats for them becomes a lot more doable. this is where republican governors are sort of on the ropes this year. leaving alone democrats that don't have a good record. this is a debate within the gun control movement as well, that pops up from time to time. where in the abstract, the republicans are a lot more hostile than the democrats. do you go after anti-gun control democrats? do you want climate change control to be going after democrats who don't have good records and ret or rick? >> in the beginning, you have to pick your targets. obviously, if you are going to spend this kind of money on an issue, you should do it in a swing state. to do it in a state where you

are not going to have a chance seems to be not a good use of money. >> it is next of 501 c-4. these groups now and then do like to support usually in the primary. >> that's the question. do you encourage a primary challenge. it is late for this year. >> i think half, almost half, i'm sure the filing dates for all the primaries are past now. i think now and then if it is a hopelessly red or blue. let's say it is a hard red climate change supporter, then these groups can support them nominally. i am not saying this specifically. they can go and say we are not just a democratic front group. we support republicans and you name him or her. a lot of it is depending on the organization. >> what do you think of that, bill? this is sort of a long-term thing on their parts. the idea of how do you get -- if you are a climate change activist, how do you get somebody like allison grimes on

your side? can you ever get somebody like allison grimes on your side given the political and economic realities of our state? >> it is very tricky. in 2010, when democrats controlled everything, 18 senate democrats were from the top coal producing states, 18. people thought the 60-vote threshold was the problem for everything that he couldn't get there. you had a 60 in 2010. there is no way to pass anything through congress no matter what part of the configuration you can come up with without going through coal country. you have to compromise somewhere. it doesn't make sense to try to oust mike pryor or mary landry in louisiana, because at the end of the day, there will be someone in the state representing a fossil fuel interest and you are going to have to work with them. >> that's so true. when i was driving through southern ohio in 2012, the ads and billboards, president obama's war on coal, they are

going to go up no matter who is ru running. you have to work around it. it is still more important and people are political real lifts in the white house, to make sure you you have a democratic senate. that's why you will not see them complaining a lot publicly about allison grimes, unless she goes way over the top. >> that's why defending the regulations is so important. if they become toxic and no one can defend them or compromise, then we have a problem. if we can mitigate the backlash and grimes wins, she might shake her fist but you can still work with her on the subject. >> i want to ask joe about this. i think he knows the science. we have had a speight of stories lately about the melting of the glaciers has reached a point it can be reversed. temperature changes aren't a thing of the future. they are here. they have been happening. they are happening. i want to ask how much time we have to actually change this in

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climate change, it is real, the science is true. >> oh, my god, we are all going to die. you know this is serious if someone on fox news just said, climate change is real. >> so setting this up before the break, that's the kind of coverage that's been in the air the last few weeks. we had this climate report from the white house that looked at all the temperature changes. we had that map that showed except for a tiny belt in alabama, the entire country has heated up. we have a report about the glaciers in antarctica. how much time is there?

is there any time left right now? we can't reverse all of it but to reverse enough of it. >> we are going to see some consequences of global warming. that's what the u.n. report said and the national climate assessment said. i don't think there is any question about that. are we going to let things get catastrophic? 10 degrees fahrenheit. >> what's the timetable for that? >> i think we have about another -- this decade, we have to turn around carbon pollution. i don't think there is any question about that. everybody wants to avoid the worse case scenario. what we learned this week in the antarctic and elsewhere is that the worse case scenario is going to come unless we act. i will say everybody should understand that it can always get worse. even ten years from now, it is still going to be better, let's say, to have only 5 degrees

warming than 10 degrees warming. there is plenty of time to act. the united states can be a leader still. the obama administration regulations make that pretty clear that if we were to do these coal regulations, regulations at power plants, we would be in a position to get a global treaty. can the u.s. put enough on the table to be a leader for these internationale negotiations coming up in 2015? >> that's why obama is doing this now. if you don't announce the initial regulation by the summer, with all the procedures you have to go through, public periods and whatnot, it can't be finalized in time before the end of his presidency. a political consultant would say, this is not a winning issue. he is not putting the politics first but the policy. people should think, what can i do to make this go over?

>> as usual, the whole world turned to pat sajak this week, the host of wheel of fortune. he tweeted randomly, i now believe in global warming. alarmists are unpatriotic racists knowingly misleading for their own ends. good night. this was his follow-up to that. as most of you know, original tweet was intended to parody the name-calling directed at climate sceptics, hyperbole. >> i always knew he was a conservative republican but he is a little more vitriolic when you look at his treats. i know, it is a game show host weighing in on politics. we don't take that too seriously. he is sort of conveying a mind-set there. it is prefr lent valent on the .

that's the challenge. >> pat sajack is an active republican. he is on the circuit. you hear him speak. when will people learn that you don't have to tweet everything out. you get in a jam like that. what he said was not an obvious parody. it is not the business season. he is not a comedy guy. having said that, the steyer money is going to fund campaigns. i see this a little differently, because the threshold is, if you are tom steyer to elect democrats. it is too late to plan the democratic primary. i'm stressing that, because that's where i see it is going. in the meantime, he has entre to the white house, part of the movement to keep the climate change agenda on the front burner. you do a few things when you have that money and that platform. when people say, what does money get you in politics? it gets your issue in the

spotlight. i am not saying you get your regulations. tom steyer, because he is a donor, he has that. >> it is almost this psychological game. at the end of this many ka pacau wants scott brown and republicans to say, if it hadn't been for climate change, i get 51% instead of 41%. if you spend enough money, you get it into the heads of the elected officials. >> if you don't want him in your state, it may have the impact of softening. >> we have seen this on the right with the tea party. we are going to shut the government down or whatever it happens to be. >> i want to thank joe romm and bill scher for coming in this morning. we'll be right back with a witness account from the mass shooting near santa barbara, california.

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is. >> meet kelly korender, she is a blogger and you would conclude she helped propel barack obama to the white house in 2008 and a re-election video in 2012. instead, she is credited with helping to start the tea party movement. as was documented in the book "boiling mad" her frustration with the bank bailouts and stimulus package drove her to organize a protest. she e-mailed michelle malcon and called up a conservative radio host and 200 people showed up. they look back at it as the very first tea party protest, even if the name didn't come along until two weeks later when rick santelli suggested the idea of having a tea party in chicago. after that, the major organizing began. a whole bunch of groups with the tea party name sprang up, some of them grassroots and some formed with major backing from industry and political donors like the billionaire koch

brothers, who soon branched out from issues embracing a full-scale agenda. they labeled lawmakers as rinos, republicans in name only. bob bennett, richard lugar and mike castle, all kicked out of washington by fights within their own party. christine o'donnell, joe miller and sharon engle, tea party favorites, earned nominations instead. they were too extreme for the states they have been running in. tea party candidates have been coming up short leading to ed had lines that suggests the tea party is done. that might very well be the case but not necessarily for the reasons being commonly discussed. they have been winning because they have fully embraced the tea party platform. they have drited so far to the right that they are no longer republicans in name only. conservative voters have been stripped of that fundamental

reason for casting protest votes. >> i think the tea party has brought great energy to our political process. they are not that big of a difference between what you all call the tea party and your average, conservative republican. >> as the speaker of the house pointed out, tea-party backed candidates may have lost but their ideas team to have won. they have successfully moved the republican party to the right. that was its genesis, entire reason for existence. that's why i have a tea party now. what is next for groups charged with pushing a conservative agenda. that appears to have been swallowed hole by the republican mainstream. joining me to help answer those questions is adam. he is the executive vice president of the tea party group, freedom works. i appreciate you taking the time and joining us. four years ago, there were still extreme moderates.

mike castle of delaware comes to mind. when i look at what's happening right now, i say if you can't beat them, you join them. the establishment joined the party. there is no reason to challenge these guys. do you see any real daylight between what we call the tea party and what we call the republican establishment? >> sure. just ask cochran. he has a nasty race going down in mississippi. he obviously still has a problem with the base. >> what is that problem? >> we will talk about that specifically. what is his problem. what is the base's problem with him? >> i think he spends too much time with what i would call the k-street gop. the conservatives down in mississippi, they want a constitutional conservative, someone that's going to come in and fight like mike lee or ted cruz. this is their opportunity. polling has been sort of

sporadic in terms of finding sporadic polling. we will put mississippi aside right now. there is a lot going on there. let's look at kentucky, mitch mcconnell. this is a guy that's been in washington in the senate now for 30 years. he is going for his sixth term in washington. we hear the tea party doesn't like the idea of entrenchment. he is the idea of entrenchment. when you look at what he has done as the senate leader, how many attempts to repeal obama care has he been part of, efforts to stop the obama administration. he has been there doing that. it seems to me the message of his primary against the tea party challenger, if you are mitch mcconnell and you give the tea party what they want, you are not going to have a problem. isn't that the right lesson here? >> i could take a look at the bigger picture. already, we had a big victory in

nebraska. we will have another with t.w. shannon. when you take a look at kentucky, part of our job is to put people on the record. if you are a republican, rather than running unopposed, you are going to stand up and be accountable for those votes. when you take a look at kentucky, and you get outspent, 4-1 or 15, 20, 25-1, it is an uphill challenge will, no doubt about it. let's look at kentucky. again, we were talking a year ago, tea party groups were talking a year ago about how they were being to beat mitch mcconnell. back in the climate of 2010, this is the kind of thing that could have blindsided mitch mcconnell. in 2014, it doesn't materialize. are there any issues? let me ask you this. do you want him to get elected

right now? >> i would prefer to have a republican majority. we are trying to build the freedom caucus, more mike lees, more ted cruz, more guys in the house like justin amash. we want to be the majority of the majority. those are the races we are going to focus on. >> what's the difference between let's say a mike lee right now. what's the difference between a mike lee and a mitch mcconnell? >> you are never going to see mike lee bring up t.a.r.p. or a bridge to nowhere. they are going to take the hard votes. >> would mitch mcconnell do that anymore. it seems the goal was to scare somebody like mitch mcconnell and you have achieved that goal. he is not going to do that anymo anymore. i hope you are right. until that is fixed, we are going to have to stay in the trenches and keep fighting. one of the unknown stories is

that if you go down ballot, one of our big successes is that we are repopulating the gop with these constitutional conservatives in north carolina and ohio. in state races, we are winning those local races. this will be a fight that's going to take 10, 20 years to play out. reagan did it. you have to challenge the old guard and the new guard that's committed to these fiscal, conservative principles. >> the other side is, as tea party candidates get elected, they become entrenched. i was interested in kentucky looking at what happened with rand paul. he was the face of the tea party unrising in 2010. matt bev vin runs against mitch mcconnell. rand paul was ron paul's old campaign manager, went and managed rand paul's campaign. were you disappointed with rand paul that he wasn't there with

you? >> we're obviously not going to agree 100% of the time on this thing. freedom works is partnering with rand paul to sue the nsa to stop this massive data collection. we are working with people wherever we can. i will take 80%, 90% allies over 100% any time. there isn't a litmus test. >> where does the tea party movement go from here? so far, none of the primary challenges have worked in 2014. we will see what happened in mississippi. is there a point to these? if you keep losing them, do you lose that leverage you are talking about? >> there are two primary challenges that we are winning right now that people aren't talking about. republican mainstream partnership put a big old target on justin amash in michigan and masi in kentucky. so that is the first cycle that we actually have to start defending some of our own out there. we are doing okay there.

egor berman in california, dr. chad mathis in alabama, by the time the cycle is done, we are going to be successful in growing the freedom caucuses in the house and senate. every single one of these cycles, at the margin, nibble away, continue to grow these majorities within hopeful majorities someday. >> are you worried about mitch mcconnell? are you worried about john boehner? are you worried they are waiting for the moment when the heat from the base cools down and they can sell you out? is that the concern? >> some mornings i wake up and, gee, we are taking on warren hatch, mitch mcconnell, the nsa. this is scary to get into. that's part of the job of keeping the base hot to make sure we are moving forward on the issues we care about. there air lot of little victories along the way. if there is something the conservative movement can learn

from the left is that the left celebrates these little victories over time. we need to get better than that, not just focus on big presidential victories but what are we doing in the ohio state house. what are we doing on things such as common corp down in north carolina? what are we doing on some state congress races? keep focusing on the small battles going forward? >> adam brandon, from freedom works, i want to thank you for taking the time an joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> is there a battle between the tea party and establishment? we'll talk about that next. my philosophy is real simple american express open forum is an on-line community, that helps our members connect and share ideas to make smart business decisions. if you mess up, fess up. be your partners best partner. we built it for our members, but it's open for everyone. there's not one way to do something. no details too small. american express open forum. this is what membership is. this is what membership does.

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freedomworks adam brandon. is there a future for the tea party or have they already run? here is patrick murphy, and lynn sweet of the chicago sun-times. patrick, i don't know. he makes the case there that this is a ten-year thing and they have to keep the pressure on and look where we are winning these other races. i look at it and i say, the battle looks like it is over. the tea party scared the republican establishment. the republican establishment responded by embracing the tea party. am i missing something? >> no. the tea party has already won. they have brought the republican party so far to the right that after these primaries, they saw, because people like dick lugar and castle and delaware, every republican, their playbook is, we can't get primaries. will that motivate the democratic base to come out and vote. will they be scared enough and will the independents be scared enough. you look at places like north carolina, which should be the republican strong hold. tillis is on record saying he is not sure if he is for the

minimum wage. he is denying global warming and places like in arkansas where tom cotton has talked about raising the medicare age. they are going so far to the right, because they are worried about the right flank. it is going to be hard to get back. >> maybe this is like an interesting political science experiment. i am really curious about this, lynn. we looked at christine o'donnell, sharon engle, ken bukhar. we looked at these that lost general elections republicans should win. we said, too far to the right, too extreme, all these things. the bet republicans seem to be making that it wasn't the itology that sunk these candidates. it was the fact that they said things publicly that sounded way off the spectrum it logically. if they can no, ma'am name candidates that are more marketable and know how to

present themselves, they can have the same voters. mitch mcconnell can embrace all the tea party stuff. what do you think of that bet? >> let me refine it a little bit. the tea party, we agree they have had terrific success not in electing people but moving the party to their policies. we have in the gop house of representatives the reason that we have so much inaction there within the republican side is that the leadership doesn't want to inflame the tea party members who could die them up and their wart them. you have a set of candidates that were imperfect and not disciplined. if you have candidates, you have to be somebody if you run for government, this is the change, you can't be against. they had too many people that said no all the time. let's close it down.

if you want to go to congress to govern, figure out how to get things done. if you are a tea party person, you can't say, i am proud to say, i don't have a bill, a project or one policy that got sure stopped it. >> that's the interesting thing. look at north carolina. tom tillis, the republican nominee down there, we called him the establishment candidate. rand paul backed the guy. all these things. but tom is the face of a sort of republican party that's done a lot in north carolina in the last two years. a republican party got complete control of government down there. they got the government, the legislature. it was a very -- it was a pea party agenda. it's not been popular. >> yeah, it hasn't been popular, and look at what they've done. they've completely taken away -- not completely, but almost completely taken away a woman's right to choose in north carolina after the governor said, i'm not going to touch it. they've made it much more restrictive. they've done things like -- obviously we know the environmental concerns in north

carolina. basically, that's coming home to roost now. those things, when they do govern, they're showing -- and same thing in kansas, by the way, with brownback. when you govern as a tea party folks, people are saying, timeout, this is not what i thought it was going to be. to go to lynn's point, it's okay to be against something. this person should be fired. but why you should be hired. and when they're getting hired in the tea party, it's disastrous with the electorate. >> i mean, one example of a tea party guy back in illinois when you had tea party movement congress freshman joe walsh easily defeated by tammy duckworth, the iraq war veteran, who's now in congress. he had nothing to say he did. the tea party -- >> he had played it safe, i know that. >> but it's different than saying, here's what i was able to do. if your goal is to shrink government, you have to still accomplish that, which is hard in washington. see this program, i fixed it. >> that's why i'm so interested in seeing the results this fall.

this will be a real test of the ideology of the tea party. joe walsh would say a lot of things that were very intentionally inflammatory. these candidates by and large are going to shy away from that, but they're still going to have the same ideology. >> 9% of people are running for congress because the tea party is basically governing down in washington to get nothing done in the least productive congress in american history. that's because of the tea party. that's why -- >> we'll see if there's a price to be paid for that this fall. what should we know for the week ahead? our answers right after this.

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for the week ahead? what do we need to know? lynn sweet? >> wednesday at west point, president obama gives another speech defending -- explaining his foreign policy. listen for what he says about russia. >> all right. we will. patrick? >> new generation of young americans getting involved in public service app they served in the military. you see other candidates like

sean barney, who will be on my program today at 1:00, and aaron marquez out of arizona and kevin strauss out of pennsylvania. >> they're all saying, i want to be the next patrick murphy. thanks for getting up. we'll be back next weekend. set your alarms now. because saturday is the return of up against the clock. it is coming back. but right now, we have melissa harris parr ri. questions for hillary clinton about a second run at the white house are inevitable, but her nomination is anything but. why there is sure to be a challenger. that's next in nerdland. we'll see you next week. have a great week and great memorial day as well. [ male announcer ] we're the names you know in the places you want to be.

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this morning, my question, what are armed u.s. personnel doing in africa? plus, ready or not, here comes hillary. and we will talk about the horrifying shooting in california. but first, an international sports legend speaks out against what has become a most dangerous game. good morning. i'm melissa harris-perry. it's been nearly a month since michael jordan spoke out about donald sterling's racially charged comments. michael jordan, who rarely has much to say on messy issues like politics and race, was compelled to discuss donald sterling, saying, quote, there is no room in the nba or