speech tomorrow about his overall foreign policy vision and he wants to frame those comments last mont about singles and doubles, he wants to put that in a broader picture. he wants to say here is what i'm trying to do, and they want to get the news out of the way to make sure that the speech is views as a broad one. >> perry, you mentioned that reaction from the conservatives, but what about to the left of this. the president is talking about this as an end to combat negotiations, but they will be engaging in counter terrorism. is there an expectation that we would have been out sooner than this. >> i think so. he talked the times about being out earlier than this. you will see some democrats today. i think you'll see some of the left say that we should get all

troops out, the idea is to have some troops there and there could be some casualties and so on. so i think he will split it in half and you will see criticism from both sides of the aisle on it. so there has been damage by there being no u.s. troops there. i'm not surprised he is leaving some small troops in place. >> we're going to bring in now peter alexander. as i mentioned the president has a big commencement speech tomorrow. >> yes, i think this was communicated pretty cleanly. they want this to be the final chapter. down to just that security personnel, the security office, and at the u.s. embassy by the

end of the president's term, that clears the plate for the president to focus on broader foreign policy goals going forward. in his remarks tomorrow that he will make at the u.s. military academy at west point. there is a couple notes i think are significant here. this is all contingent on the next president of afghanistan signing that security agreement as a senior administration official told us before. if that deal is not signs, there will be no troops in afghanistan at the end of 2014. beyond that, critics have questioned what that does in terms of tipping the u.s. hat. the taliban, and al qaeda, and senior administration to official said that signed up and

promised to be a security force against the taliban. in the eyes of an administration to official and those at the white house, this is in many ways a chance to regain the narrative. to take over the message once again as they believe they have been effectively playing defense on a variety of foreign policy issues from suggests that this administration has been feckless in it's head to head match up. taking place in ukraine right now, and all sorts of other criticisms they have been battered by. >> yes, and i want to bring perry back in here on the phone. retaking the narrative here. can we play a little bit of that? you know, i guess we don't have that. he basically made the point that the main purpose is to keep the american people save, and some of the criticism we have been hitting on from folks, saying

why to we have to be so definitive. and the question that i have is if that is our main goal, keeping us safe, who is to say that two years from now we won't have another attack. who is to say we will ever be safe. so how do you see this playing out politically for president obama after making that statement? >> we had a conference call with some officials a few minutes ago. why do you have these timelines, or should they not be based on security, not on a timeline posed. but the response was very much what peter said. we do not intend to be in afghanistan forever under any circumstances. that has been the core obama principal. i am here to wind down wars in iraq and afghanistan. they want to follow through on that pledge. you will hear that tomorrow as well. the president wants to think about his foreign policy legacies and being broader than

the wars winding down. the perception is they have been leading from behind, i think was the quote a few years ago, and the president doesn't have a foreign policy position, and he wants to articulate formally this diplomacy first, the military force if only necessary and a very targeted way. he wants to reestablish that and suggest there is a theory behind how he handles the ukraine, afghanistan, and iraq. >> help us understand what will be leapt by the end of 26. it could mean a number of things. i want to bring peter back in here, if you could help us understand what that means, if you look at the embassy in iraq, the most expensive and largest embassy in the world. the cost to build it was $750 million, are we going to look at something very similar in afghan

by the end of 2014. >> the end of the terms, in office, that the number would be fewer than 1,000 forces that are still in afghanistan. and also at the u.s. embassy. what is very clear is the president trying to reiterate today that he is fulfilling the promise he made when he came to office. he said there was roughly 180,000 troops in arm's way when he became president. and he said that number will come closer to 10,000. and this helps democrats as they move forward with the 2006 election and with the midterms. the more they can remove the issues of iraq and afghanistan, to check those boxes, to say they have done all that they can to secure the locations and hand over responsibilities to afghan security forces, they will be

able to then focus on the issues they think will be germane as they try to maintain control of the senate and in the election of 2016, trying to win for a democrat. >> etc. go to richard engel who has covered afghanistan extensi extensively, what's your reaction to today's news? >> i think this is an attempt to bookend the 9/11 era. as you know and everyone in america knows, we had two ground wars in the islamic war starting in afghanistan, moving in iraq. the iraq war wound down, but the afghanistan war is continued on and became the longest war in u.s. history. and there was a lot of ambiguity about when this war would end. there have been reports, some reports that we did. suggesting that u.s. troops could be in afghanistan for a decade longer than now.

i think what we saw today was president obama come out and set some parameters. we didn't know how many troops would stay behind on what is effectively a training mission. today he gave us that number. he said roughly 10,000 troops for the year following the end of this year. so for 2015. and then all of them gone excement for a small contingency at the embassy, which will be an embassy plus kind of presence. for many people, i think you should think historically about this. it is like marking the end of an era. >> part of what will define our future in afghanistan is a security agreement and whether or not afghanistan will sign it, and will live up to it. they signed it in the past and failed to live up to it, we're months away from a new president there, is there any sense that a new administration there in afghanistan would lead to a new

relationship vis-a-vis the security agreement? >> i think the way things are right now, it would be very unlikely for the new afghan government not to sign this. the issue in the past was president karzai who did not want his legacy to be leafing office signing an agreement that kept american troops in the country beyond his presence in the presidential office. the two candidates now both say they will sign this. and i see no reason why we should doubt them on this. they want the u.s. troops to stay. they were critical of car zie for refusing to sign the document. i think the afghan government that will be seated would like to have u.s. troops there, even longer than the two years outlined by the president just a short while ago. they know their security forces are not very strong. they need the money that comes

with the troops. they need the satellite imagery that comes with troops, and i think the question will be will two years be enough for the afghan government to maintain stability or try to build on stability, not if they will sit back and reject the agreement. >> they here is the u.s. forces as they draw down they're handing power over to the afghan security forces who, in theory, should be able to keep the peace. do the conditions on the ground actually justify that draw down? >> that's a very debatable point. and i think what we heard today was that the u.s. government, the u.s. administration laying down a marker saying we don't care if they're ready or not. we're leaving. and i think that's where you're going to hear some criticism of those who don't like the announcement that just came saying that we just put down a marker saying in the end, in two

years or just over two years, we're leaving. we're going to give the afghans an opportunity. you heard that phrase repeated several times, and opportunity to build a better life. whether they will be able to stabilize the country i think it still an open question. right now, it is mostly the afghan security forces in the lead. they're doing operations, but there is still a sizable force of an american force on the ground helping them. as that draws down, it will be more difficult for the afghans to continue that mission. and when there are troops just sitting in command centers, watching computer screens, trying to help the afghan forces by remote control, we'll see if they can keep the taliban and al qaeda elements at bay. i don't think anyone is in a position to answer that right now. >> perry, if you're a war weary

american, are you satisfied? and should youd be? st as the minimum allowable force, or should you be hoping for more of a draw down. >> my sense is the criticism will come from the right, the mccain's, the graham's, the national security parts of the republican party that say this is too soon. the president, if you're a war weary person, he has dramatically drawn down the amount of troops, and i think you will hear less criticism. people have been generally satisfied about the reduction of troops in afghanistan. we're seeing from both parties owner the mccain -- both parties weary of the wars, politicians in both parties weary, and the draw down as a lot of popular support. >> richard engel calling this

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shinse . a college community and a nation in mourning. classes are canceled and

counsellors are on hand after a 22-year-old man stabbed two people in his apartment, and fired a gun killing people from his car. flowered are stuffed into deli windows. notes left where the three men were stabbed. messages outside of a sorority house where the killer looked to get revenge in general for women not wanting to date him. today, an international sign of solidarity. the twitter hashtag yes all women is trending. used more than 1.5 million times. jennifer is outside of the sheriff's headquarters in santa barbara. this is a day of mourning

and reflection here all around the university california system. students and schools coming together in unity and solidarity to grieve for the six lost, and to wonder what caused that seventh person to go on that bloody rampage. no classes today. and here at the sheriff's department i spoke with the sheriff over the weekend who told me they're doing as thorough of an investigation on this crime spree as they could if they expected to have a suspect to prosecute in court. they're looking at every bullet trajectory, shell casing, and interviewing hundreds of witnesses who are replaying what happened in their minds overand overagain. that 22-year-old, elliott rodger, only knew three of the six victims.

he was somehow legally able to purchase three firearms despite having a troubled past. that has some people questioning how he was able to buy those three firearms and some 400 rounds of unused ammunition found in his car when his life and that rampage came to an end. the sheriff told me that the deputies that went out for a welfare check on him on april 30th. he said he was fine. and he wrote about that later in his manifesto saying that he was concerned that those police officers, the deputies that came and checked on him would find the guns. he was very relieved they didn't search his apartment. >> jennifer, thank you for that

report. let's bring in now mary ellen o'toole. plus gayle, author of "anatomy of a killer." he used lines from the pick up artist community. >> you hear a lot of things including rage. this is not that a-typical for people who do ultimately go on to commit violence. i think you have to remember that there are many angry grandiose young men that will never commit violence. that leaves us in a very

difficult situation. i think we need to reevaluate those first responders, and they're training for viewing someone that maybe they need to bring a clinician, and what they need to be on a look out for. we now have all of the social media material available. but we don't have a means for first responders looking at that and going one step further. >> all too often, these horrific shootings, there are warning signs, right? why didn't we stop this sooner? why weren't we able to see this, his parents stepped in, they said he needs to be checked. there was a number of clues in his bedroom. talk to us about what law enforcement can and can't do legally. >> this is very frustrating and it is in all of these cases.

and yes, there are warning signs before the shootings occur. sometimes the warning signs come to our attention and sometimes they don't. in the last probably five years, we have partnered up with mental health, and universities and community colleges have threat assessment teams. they go in and they take a look, 360 degrees at a individual that makes a threat or poses a threat. and we look at behavior in their background, and we look at those kind of recent indicators that suggest not only do they have equal opportunity hatred, but have they taken steps in the last day, two weeks, to carry out those threats. those promises of acting out violently. it is a process and we have in place the training to take a look at someone. i will tell you if someone, by

giving us that information, hey, i'm fine, there is nothing wrong with me, often times legally law enforcement is prevented from going any further. >> really quickly, nothing more could have been done in this situation from the law enforcement side to check in on him? >> no, i'm not saying that. i don't know what law enforcement knew when they knocked on the door. i don't know what information they had about the videos or other investigation about their backgrounds. we have to go beyond their self reported information like yes, i'm fine, there is no issue. we have to go beyond that. he had a vested interest in keeping his details secret. >> well, she's right, patients that, especially in earlier teenages of mental illness, and i don't know if that was the case here, but they usually do something called guarding.

they have enough judgment left to know if they do reveal that, they will be committed. and they -- they're plan will be stopped. it's not in their vested interest to say so. i think it's important to remember that no one has a crystal ball. we can't read your thoughts. but what is sad here is that there were these you tube videos. there were these writings, and the family seems to have an idea, which is why they reported him, to the mental health professional and the police. we have a very high level for committing someone and forcing them to get treatment. it's so high that families are often frustrated. they know their son, daughter, or family member is in danger. i think we need to take a look at that. there are some bills, there is a bill right now that is trying to look at the most seriously

mental mentally ill, and what are our levels of not allows professionals to share information, or commanding someone that doesn't have the judgment to get treatment for themselves. >> what is the role that mental illness plays in evaluating someone that might be at risk for an attack like this? for you as a profiler? in this instance, and like newtown, there is a lot of talk about it. even though mental illness is extremely common, 6% have a serious mental illness. in many cases these are not people who will commit violent acts, is that something that can be usefully used in evaluating these threats? >> you're right. mental health issues are taken into consideration when doing a threat assessment. they're not the end all to be

all. my concern is after one of these shootings, many people begin to focus on the mental illness. they start trying to diagnose these shooters. in this case, this was an injustice collector and someone that hated every type of individual. that's not associated with a mental illness. so we have to be able to get beyond that and take a look at other behaviors he was exhibiting prior to the event. >> i could not agree more that most people who commit these mass violent acts are not diagnosably mentally i'll. they're lonely, angry, disenfranchised men that make an even act. it's difficult to spot them. i know the gun lobby is disturbed by the fact that we

always turn to look at that, but i would say that somebody that can get 400, or 800 round semiautomatic weapons that doesn't have to do with protecting yourself, even if we do everything about mental health care, we can't necessarily stop most of the people who do this because they're not actually mentally ill. >> thank you very much. up next, have we reached a turning point in the ukraine crisis? >> i want to be a computer programmer. we're all like that here. i have been involved in some of the most intense fighting that day in the square. at the next job, next adventure or at the next exit

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good afternoon, everyone. we're tracking severe weather again. we have a severe thunderstorm watch now in effect west of new york city. that includes new york state and pennsylvania. look at the heat we're dealing with from yesterday. 86 in philly. 90 in dc. look at boston, 55 degrees, that's a cold front coming through. that will bring an end to the warm weather. we have storms to get through later on today. 70s in buffalo. here is a look at the radar picture. central pennsylvania, reports already of wind damage with these. they will continue to push on to the suoutheast. they will arrive just in time for the evening commute. philadelphia, strong to possibly severe storms will be moving through. a major change in the northeast tomorrow. look at wednesday's high

temperatures from 80s and 90s today. dc, still stormy and hot. and we're looking at more severe weather potential across the southeast. 107 in phoenix, jumping ahead now to thursday, that cooler weather makes it down to dc, back down to the 60s. 60s in new york city as well and temperatures toasty, 101 phoenix, and 107 in los angeles. >> time now to get you caught up with a new cycle. the malaysian government has released raw satellite data used to try to track down that missing jumbo jet. it has been missing for nearly three months. they believe it ran out of fuel and it is in the nigerian ocean. the government says they

know where the girls are, but do they? the nigerians have been under intense pressure to provide information to the families to have been waiting for answers. >> today is the deadline for donald sterling to respond to charges of misconduct lodged by the nba. he has been banned for line and fined for $2 million. his estranged wife has reportedly taken control and is shopping around. former president george w. surgery is said to be resting at home today after having partial knee surgery over the weekend. now to the crisis in ukraine. a possible turning point in the latest violence, pro russian rebels are reporting heavy

losses. they say more than 50 of their fighters have been killed in clashes. separatist try to seize the international airport. in response, the ukrainian military sent fighter jets and helicopter gun ships to fight for control. president putin called for an end to the violence. it came days after they elected a new leader. they call the armed separatists terrorists. our next guest has been on the ground in ukraine in the last three months documenting the violent uprising. let's take a look. >> this was the deadliest fights since the protests laura garcia-cannon in late november.

there was niepers on the rooftops. >> his documentary the battle for ukraine airs tonight on pbs. hour on ukraine and syria and with us now is james jones. it is great to have you here. i want to start with what happened over the weekend. you have kiev now fighting back. could this be a real turning point? >> it's a huge moment, it could be. more than 50% of the voters united and they is significant. they want to unite the country. he is taking pretty drastic

action. he is trying to end this in hours, not weeks or months. the problem is there are going to be casualties. so for the russians in the east, who have been afraid of this new government in kiev, and the russian tv, this conforms to all of their worse fears. and the way it would be presented in the russian media, certainly, is that he kent troops to attack his own people. >> on the pro europe, pro ukrainian side, you spoke with the leader of the ultra nationalist right sector in the documentary. let's take a look at a little of that. >> to many of the millions of ukrainia ukrainians, he is a neo-nazi and the most feared man in the country. he invited me into his heavily guarded quarters.

>> translator: we have a clear attitude toward nonukrainians in ukraine. those who stand with us, tolerant of those who live here and do not oppose our fight, hostile to those that do everything they can to deprive us of our own country. >> he is very radical, described as a neo-nazi there. how much does he represent the pro ukrainian, pro western factions in ukraine? >> he shot to fame in the revolution itself. his group, right sector, were the tough guys. he led the charge against the police. they game heros that don't share the views. when they started to send people to the east, it played into his hands. he said you need to us fight this russian invasion.

he builds popularity on the ain't russian -- >> he was a candidate in the presidential election this weekend. he got 1% of the vote. it this is significant feeling, or is this hard line approach -- it seems like it would be rejected. >> i think it is encouraging for those that would pose a corrupt president and move closer to europe and western values. i think they have a huge following among young people and they have about 10,000 fighters now that have been coopted into a government force. so again it's playing into the separatist hands by allowing a group like right sector to fuigt alongside the government. so it conforms to all of the worst paranoia.

>> you also talk to pro russian force leaders, and i'm watching them and i thinking why are they fighting on behalf of russia when their sleecolleagues and comrades are there, and they say we're being paid to beat up folks from kiev. are most of those fighting being paid or are there some that really believe that. >> that's a really good question. i think they have a genuine feeling they don't agree what what is happening. so i think there is genuine fear of what's happening. but money helps, and certainly we got from a number of sources they're being paid to organize by people from russia. so i think it's hard to

understand how organic the uprising is and how much is just people pulling the strings. >> that really helps break down what's going on. it's incredibly confusing, and it helps make the case of why we should be interested and caring about it it. tonight, pbs at 9:00, right? >> 10:00. >> tonight at 10:00. coming up, rethinking the recession and what brought us to the brink. okay ladies, whenever you're ready. thank you. thank you.

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there has been a lot of talk lately about the cause of the financial melt down of 2008. and what we could do to prevent another crash. some say the crash was inevitable that people were afraid of a crash, and their fear became a self fulfilling prophesy. in this view, market confidence

is king. some focus on the big bangs that were eager to lend to any and all new homeowners. then they pulled back and their lack of lending caused the recession. in this view, if you fixed banks and restore the lending, you fix the crisis. our next guest, who wrote "house of debt" talking about a financial service working against us and not for us. here with us are the book's authors. thank you gentleman for joining us. amir, let me start with you. why did we accumulate so much household debt to start with, and how did that feed into the crisis that we saw in 2008? >> we all began around the turn of the century. 2000, and 2001. they were will willing to give

credit to people with lower credit scores and lower income individuals. you saw a a massive extension of this debt. they consumed a lot out of housing wealth, and you saw a very sharp rise in household debt. a booming economy to some degree. and ultimately, when that game ended, households pulled back massively. >> a lot of people have gone searching for -- what was behind this problem, and this great recession. it's dangerous to my ears to blame the folks that borrowed unwisely because the lenders were not playing a fair game with them. in many cases they were lying to them, presenting difficult language. long contracts, not meant to be read or understand. there was tricking and traps for people down on their luck into these arrangements they weren't able to deal with. on one size we have experienced

professionals not really playing a fair game, and the other side we have regular people just trying to get a home. >> i think that is correct. there is enough blame to go around on both sides. what we try to do in the book is point out that instead of putting blame on one party or the other, we need to understand how the rise in debt really fits into the whole macro picture. one of the important points we try to make is that in the presence of this high level of debt, if you have a downturn like we had, it concentrates losses by definition on the side of the debtors. and it is that concentration of losses on the to debtors that really pulled back the economy because those debtors, they pulled back on the household spendi spending, and that feeds back. and in the case of housing, also high foreclosures.

so we're all in this together. instead of putting blame on one party or the other. we need to understand the fundamental forces that were at play here, and trying to fix the architectural system. we need to solve those key limitations of our financial system as opposed to playing a back and forth blame game. >> you talk about how the crash impacted people differently. and also how much debt they took on. we had some folks, many, that lost everything. some people at the top were saying what crash. i didn't even notice this happened. talk about the two different realities that took place and how much of that lingers today. >> it is really very closely linked to wealth inequality. what debt does is the wealthiy

tends to save their money in banks. what happens when house prices crash is the lower income people, because they're equity holders in the home, they lose out first. often times, as you saw in the great recession, quickly in 2009 and 2010, you saw a strong rebound in financial asset prices. those are generally held only by the wealthy. what we have seen in this recovery is a growing rise in wealth inequality, and the highest wealth inequality is crucial for why we have seen such a sluggish economy. why it has taken us so long, and for those who are in a very weak economy today. >> what do we do about this going forward. you can say to people don't borrow so much money, but people do so for good reasons. you talk about changes the way we finance homes, how do we build a less indebted society. >> we talk about risk sharing.

just to give you one example, when house prices go down across the board, it's a function of the time you bought the house that determines how much you lose. it's not a question of being fair or unfair. i think people are just unlucky about when they bought the house. they're spending and that loss hurts everyone in the economy. what we propose is that we need to work more in a manner -- we respond to something about mortgages in the book, they're similar to what we have today with one exception. they make the payment, the mortgage payment contingent to your local city house price. adding a feature like that can

go a long way for the losses that the economy suffers because of something wept through in 2008. >> so interesting book. there's a no risk. we'll post the extended interview on our website. up next, the act was ebs treatment but his views are all too common. my thoughts on the tragedy at uc santa barbara. ♪

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the show, the alleged slaughter of six people in santa barbara friday night has raised a lot of complicated issues around mental health, class, policing and gun laws but what struck me was the entitled way he viewed women. here's what he wrote in his 140-pamg manifesto. after i picked up the handgun i brought it to my room and felt a new sense of power. i was now armed. who's the alpha male now, bitches, i thought to myself regarding all the girls that looked down on me in the past. his alleged crime was shocking and outrageous and his stated motive was sadly unoriginal. in 2009, george sardini walked into an aerobics class and murdered five women and joour 12d. he left behind details all the failures with women and lamenting he had not had sex in 20 years. when women rejected him he saw no choice but to get even. in 1991. 24 people were murdered including 14 women. after complaining about the evil

viper who is had scorned his sexual advances saying ominously, i will prevail in the end. these instances are all documented in a book titled "angry white men" by michael kimmel. he details a sense 06 enindictlement. not just the stuff of madman fantasy but what's at the core of a widespread problem in america. vinings against women. the 'book is titled "angry white men" but this knows no race. the u.s. has the highest race of spousal homicide in the developed world. every minute a woman in america is beaten by her partner. domestic violence is the number one reason women wind up in an emergency room and if you dig as kimmel does, the abusers themselves express their motive in terms of entitlement. a belief that as a man their u sfoetsed to be in a position of power and when that sense of power is challenged they must commit violence to restore their manhood. they're owed sex on demand on dinner on the table.

complete obedience and when a woman does not acquiesce, she's the one in the wrong and the man is the agrieved party. violence is the way to restore the power dynamic. at women at the ucsb campus he targeted they speak out saying there's a palable sense there needs to more dialogue that led to these murders. and yes all women #. and not understandably enraged when their advances are rebuffed so women nationwide and the real men who support them see clearly while elliott rogers murderous rampage was intended to assert his power to establish his status as the alpha male, in reality, his pathetic and cowardly actions are the antithesis of true mannelliness 37 that does it for "the cycle." "now" with alex wagner is nasdaq.

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