sterling sell. the sterlings say they have received multiple offers for the clippers in excess of $2.5 billion. all right. that's going to do it for this edition of "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ first of all, i just want to point out how important this venue and this audience is to mike barnicle, he wore his best athletic socks. [ laughter ] >> thank you. thank you very much. and i'm sure many of you appreciate the fact i get them for free. >> yes. >> mr. modell. >> hey, i'm just happy he wore socks because god knows what's going on around this table this morning. good morning, everyone. it is wednesday, may 28th. look at that -- what is that? a spider? it's a spider on the camera.

>> willie, last night, man, i was playing stick ball, you know. >> yeah. >> in brooklyn. they were talking about you and your dad, man. >> 92nd street y. we had a great crowd out there. some stories and it was fun for me to listens to the. two newspaper guys. mike did wear his finest athletic socks. >> your dad didn't do so bad himself. >> those are the nice athletic socks. you guys have been there. what a great place. 92nd street y. >> it's a wonderful book. i can imagine that crowd had a good time. packed house. i think there's a lot of complaining about technology and about where newspapers are going. but that's okay. you guys are old. >> but not you.

>> and are we complaining about the electric light bulb again. >> i hate it when that happens. >> what's wrong with cameras? >> dark socks are fine. >> it was a great event. you were good to do that. thank you. on set, as you can see, we have mike. he's not old. he's very handsome and he looks good this morning. the council on foreign relations, richard haass. good to have you on board as well. lots to talk about foreign policy-wise today. first, more vigils planned for the six students slain at uc santa barbara, the president of the uc system janet napolitano spoke as did the father of one of the victims. he rallied the students. >> if you agree that the people in washington should hear that not one more person should have to die because of this

ridiculous situation, then when i raise my hand, i want you to shout so loud that they're going to hear you. not one more! not one more! >> right now, there hasn't been much blowback from the other side, but i anticipate, you know, once my grieving period is over, the gloves will come off. i don't think it's going to be easy. they're going to try to do to me the same thing they've done for all of these people. but i have a message for them. my son's dead and there's nothing that you can do to me that's worse than that. >> wow, that kind of says it all actually. we're learning more about the 20-year-old accused in all of this. his family spokesman said he'd been in therapy since childhood. had a form of autism and had blown off the medication that had been prescribed. they also said his notes and videos were full of anger but didn't name any specific targets. and in the aftermath of the tragedy, many are searching for

answers to this question, could it have been prevented? and plenty are weighing in but one opinion in particular is getting a lot of attention. washington post film critic anne hornaday is under the microscope after her column over the weekend seemed to place most of the blame for el idea rodgers delusions for the game. as important as it is to understand rodgers's actions within the context of the mental illness he clearly suffered, it's just as clear that his delusions were inflated if not created by the entertainment industry he grew up in. as rodger bemoaned his life of loneliness reject and unfill filled desire and arrogantly announced that he would now prove his own status as the true alpha male he unwittingly expressed the toxic double helix

of insecurity and entitlement that surprises hollywood's dna. for generations, mass entertainment has been overwhelmingly controlled by white men, whose escapist fantasies so often revolve around vigilantism and sexual wish fulfillment. how many men raised on a steady diet of judd apatow comedies in which the adolescent always gets the girl, finds that the endings constantly elude them. actor seth rogen responded on twitter -- quote -- okay, how dare you imply that me getting girls in movies caused a lunatic to go on a rampage. adding i find your article horribly insulting and miss informed. judd apatow jumped in the conversation saying she uses

tragedy to promote herself with idiotic thoughts. >> if there's all of us asking what the costs are of having such a narrow range of stories that we constantly go back to, the reason why i weighed in on this at all was because of this youtube video. and the kind of extraordinary hollywood-like production values and context out of which it seemed to spring. as a film critic what i wanted to do was think about what echoes we heard from the larger culture and maybe pose some questions that might be useful. >> so what do you think? >> you know, i think there's -- i think there's good points on both sides. i think she has a point. i think she has a point. i'm not sure what we can do about it. but i was reading all these different tweets coming through, yes all women, and the response to all of this, one tweet said i worry and i teach my daughter how not to get raped. are we going to teach our sons

anything? which is, you know, a little bit of a disconnect where we're teaching defense instead of the complete package. i think it applies to male-female relations overall. >> how do you stop that? >> no. but you also can't completely take the complicity out of it as well. because there are these sort of stereotypes and images that are built up as good and what is success for a man. and i think what she's talking about often is. you've seen it -- come on, you can't -- you cannot look at me -- >> but you can't -- this guy, and first two quotes we saw today, and i'm really careful with the dad because the father has a right, as far as i'm concerned, to say whatever he said. and i might say the same thing if i were in his position. there were three people killed by a knife here. >> right. >> it was very clear, my

feelings about ramal bow-style guns. this situation, this is -- it's not the same. three people were killed with a knife. with a knife. this guy had handguns. this is the supreme court who said americans have a constitutional right to carry handguns. that is protected. by the united states supreme court. that's not the issue. this isn't newtown. and then hollywood. this kid -- this kid wasn't warped watching judd apatow comedies. this boy if you go on and see his video, this boy had never -- i mean, he says he's on the asperger's scale. big surprise. this is a young man who was isolated by his middle challenges. he had never -- not only had never been with a woman and had sex with a woman, he never kissed a woman.

he'd never touched a woman. he lived in his isolated, insulate -- >> i think you're backing up the point of what you just said? >> no, i'm not backing up the point at all. this is a mental hilt issue. >> correct. >> just like all of these issues, 99 out of 100 are mental health issues. it's not guns in this case. >> it'sen image, though, joe. >> boy said in this tape. i know it's a disturbing tape. i don't know how many people saw the tape. but the voice said in this tape, i just want to be with somebody. he was warped. a girl that didn't even know him when he was 10 years old. you know, he was obsessing over here. it's like blaming jodie foster for the shooting of ronald reagan. we don't do that. it wasn't jodie foster's fault. >> we do bring up, though, how images, especially if they are

pervasive consistent images can feed into a problem. you know, there's the whole concept of the barbie doll and anorexia. it's the same thing. if you have an image that's fed over the year. you talk about "call of duty" and these video games and these movies that are incredibly violent. and then you add sex to it. i'm sorry, i will always feel really left out -- >> mika, i agree with that, generally. >> what are you saying? this is a hard conversation to have. >> i agree with that generally, i've talked about barbie dolls before. i've got a 10-year-old daughter. i've toxed about the oversexualization. that appliies to a lot of young boys and a lot of young girls who get these horrible stereotypes. in this case, though, willie, we were dealing with a young man that didn't have the guard rails that the rest of society has. i find it hard blaming, you know -- you know, blaming judd apatow for what went on in this

town. >> when you watch that tape of him, his manifesto on youtube, i don't see a guy looking for sexual conquest. i see human loneliness. a guy who is alone. generally the role of pop culture is underrated. i think it's very important in the video games and cultural violence, i think it does matter. actually if you watch his movies, the shleby guy didn't get the girl until he grows up in the end. i understand the culture. and i do think culture matters more than most people say but it's a reach. >> before you get to that, it's this, according to the news reports after this horrific incident occurred, on april 30th, his parents divorced. the mother and father divorced, were so concerned about their son's behavior and threats of violence in santa barbara,

california, an hour and 15 minutes from where they both live in los angeles, they were so concerned that they called the santa barbara police department to do a well-being check. i'm sorry, get in your car and go see your son and find out what's going on with his life. check in on your son. i don't want to indict the parents because we don't know the full story. but just off of that one news element, i mean, it seems that there was very little going on between his family and himself. this picture of loneliness that you just described. and the video shot of the car, that is addressable before you go to a gun store. >> i want to say one other thing, too. and i'll just say it. i have through the years because i'm familiar with asperger's, i have been to a lot of events and meetings involving this and parent after parent after parent. and there's one parent who we both know and we went to an

event a couple years ago, i won't say her name, who said the biggest challenge with her son who at the time was 19 years old was the fact that he looks around, and he wants to be like every other boy. and he wants a girlfriend. she said, what does a 19-year-old boy want? it's a girlfriend. nothing else matters. and you have to deal with your, you know, the 10 and 11-year-old boys that don't have people coming to their birthday parties. and you're sitting there as a parent sad and lonely and you have to go through one birthday after another with no friends around which happens with a lot of kids on the spectrum. that sadness turns into despair when prom comes and 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, and they've never, you know, they've never held a girl's hand. they've never kissed a girl, no

one showing them affection. is this a problem that is not hatched in hollywood. listen, i will totally agree with you in most cases. this case, the column was written outside of ignorance of the mental health challenges that this boy faces. complete, total, absolute ignorance of what young males on the spectrum, and young women on the spectrum go through. >> you see, you put your finger on one. and we don't know you know, what entailed this boy's life as he grew up. but the rejection factor in the lives of these kinds of children who become adults plays an enormous role in how they react to situations when they are 19, 20, 21. because when you start getting rejected in school and you have no friends when you're 8, 9, 10 years of age, it's up to the parents to really -- >> and i will say, too, it is up to the parents and the grandparents to help provide that support system. you do not leave them. >> yeah. >> i can speak from experience,

from friends that i know. you don't leave your children out there. >> millions of young men saw this movie. and only -- saw movies by these people. and only one person did this terrible thing. it's hard to indict that. second of all, even if you lived in a world where there wasn't video and equality. there's always inequality. there's big men on campus, and small men on campus. all they need is their own high school or a college campus. actually, there's one other issue here -- >> we're seeing a pattern. >> i think it's fascinating that the police at the request of parents interviewed this young man. it's to question our society, at what point does society have a right to act, what is sufficient cause. i'm not a lawyer here. the police interviewed him. they said this young man seemed sufficiently reasonable.

they didn't pact. and that as a society -- at what point do we act in a protected way? >> the cops said to the kid, do you mind if i look around your house. later, the kid wrote, if they would have come in my bedroom, the cops would say, maybe we need a search warrant and call the parents and say you need to get up here right now. >> we spent a lot of time focusing on this story. i understand all of your disagreement. i'm glad that "the washington post" printed that. it's somewhere in there a part of this. let's move on the other big story of the day, after 13 years of war, president obama is ushering in the beginning of the end of american operations in afghanistan. >> america's combat mission will be over by the end of this year. starting next year, afghans will

be fully responsible for securing their country. i've made it clear that we're open to cooperating with afghans on two narrow missions after 2014. training afghan forces and supporting counterterrorism operations against the remnants of al qaeda. the bottom line is, it's time to turn the page on more than a decade in which so much of our foreign policy has been focused on the wars in afghanistan and iraq. when i look office, we had nearly 180,000 troops in harm's way. by the end of this year, we will have less than 10,000. >> u.s. troops trickled during the initial invasion after 9/11. but the footprint of american boots on the ground swelled from 100,000 by the start of 2009 by the start of 2015, fewer than 10,000 are expected to remain. >> mike barnicle, "the

washington post" and "wall street journal" responding. not pleased. if you could read from "the washington post" editorial. >> "the washington post's" editorial very similar to "the wall street journal's" editorial. simply say, he shouldn't have done this. "the new york times" saying he didn't go fast enough. these are popular and attractive slogans and they make a lot of sense in the about instruct, but they don't necessarily bring peace to a dangerous world and the president can't always safely choose which dangers he would rather confront. >> rich, do you agree with that? >> i agreed with the two critical editorials. i disagree with what the president said yesterday for two residence. he just had a new round of afghanistan government, why not do this unilaterally and work this out in a dialogue with a new popularly elected afghan government is beyond me. more importantly, you can't make it by calendar. you should say we're going to

keep the forces there as long as it warrants. just say in a year or two years it turns out that a modest investment of u.s. forces is doing good. just as modest investments of u.s. forces have done amazingly good in places like korea for decades. why is it that we arbitrarily set a deadline and say no matter what, these troops are coming out. what kind of a signal does that send to the new government, to the taliban and terrorists? i don't simply understand why we're approaching it through a calendar rather than through local realities. >> do you think this announcement with a new government coming into afghanistan would affect their reasoning whether or not to sign the bilateral agreement that they've refused to sign? >> it gives them a fait accompli. you sign it and keep american troops here for two years. or you don't sign it and american troops leave sooner. i would think they would be much more likely to sign it.

and we're going to offer you considerably more for that. >> cia director, former nsa zrektser retired director michael hayden. general hayden, good to sigh this morning. >> good morning. >> 9800 troops end of '15, 4900, by the end of 2016, we'll be out of afghanistan for all intents and purposes a couple weeks before president obama leaves office. this is the right move? >> it's probably on the low end of acceptable numbers. but i totally agree with richard. this is a timetable, and it's not based upon conditions on the ground. we lose all leverage and negotiations with the new afghan president. and finally, let me parse out what the president just said, before i leave office, i'm going to make afghanistan look like a rock. you know, going to zero in iraq did not lead to a happy outcome. now he's committed to doing the same thing in afghanistan.

i think it's fairly dangerous. >> leaving 10,000 troops in iraq, would that have made a difference in this circumstance? >> i actually do. >> do you really? >> yes, i do. because without american forces in iraq, two dynamics begin to take place, joe. number one, the different faxeses in iraq with the americans gone allow their worst fears to motivate their actions with regard to the other factions. you don't have the americans as a dampening effect. kind of a guarantor that the worst won't happen. since they don't have that guarantee, they all begin to look after their own interests, and we see what happens there. the second is, how different does syria look if we kept one or two fighter squadrons and maybe one combat brigade in iraq? for one thing, to prevent that iranian supply line by air from tehran into damascus. >> a lot of americans look at this, 2016, that will be 15, a

decade and a half in afghanistan. that should be plenty of time for us. how long would you leave troops in there, in perpetuity? because i think if you leave afghanistan it's go to be a safe place. how long, if you had your dream scenario, would you leave troops there? >> the answer is, as long as it makes sense. we've had troop in korea for 60 years. and in japan. you make a decision when you basically say, how much will it cost me to keep these troops there, what are they accomplishing for it. if it turns out that 10,000 troops in afghanistan, as mike said, i agree, in iraq would help dampen the fighting. carry out counterterrorism. especially make a place that still matters to us, more stable and acceptable costs why wouldn't we keep 10,000 troops there in an open-ended way? that's a smart way for national security. what makes me uncomfortable with this. we're setting deadlines and

signals all sorts of people, we're saying, no matter what, we're now committed to this. what happens if the president wakes up in two years and his military advisers say this was a good investment. why pull the rug out from under it now. >> mike. >> general, you raised the issue of iraq and keeping troops in iraq, and the numbers being thrown out in afghanistan, let me ask you, what does this have -- with constant strain on the american military over the last 15 years. the military is now virtually a proponent component of our war-fighting capability. we've had people with multiple deployments to both places, iraq, afghanistan. five, six, seven, eight redeployments. what do you do about that in terms of troop strength in a country like afghanistan? >> no, i understand, mike, and it has been great strain and these young men and women have borne a great burden on behalf of all of us. a presence for training and

counterterrorism is not the same thing as major force-on-force operations in two theaters, afghanistan and iraq at the same time. i think the american military could sustain that. and, look, i don't argue with the president pulling back the american combat mission. but the mere presence there for training and for counterterrorism to give confidence to the afghan government, i think it's a burden that the military can stand and still do the rebuilding that we all know it has to do after more than a decade of war. >> general hayden, thank you very much. still ahead on mark mark, with the war in afghanistan coming to a close, what's it really like for troops coming home from active service. acclaimed author sebastian young will be here. up next, the sterlings are looking to sell the clippers before the nba forces their hand. but donald is still not going down without a fight. and bill de blasio announces

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♪ time now to take a look at the "morning papers" we'll start with our parade of papers, the "los angeles times," donald sterling isn't giving up even though his wife is pushing him to sell the team by the end of the week. shelli sterling's said she's received multiple offers for the team in excess of $2.5 billion. meanwhile, donald sterling's lawyer said his clients will, quote, fight until the bloody

end. and the nba is violating the constitutional rights, that's what they're arguing. and this with "usa today," pakistani police say a family stone to death their 25-year-old pregnant woman to death in broad daylight as dozens of people looked on. officials say the woman was beaten with bricks because she was married. because she married the man she loved and rejected a prearranged marriage to a cousin. the woman's father is now in custody. and police say he admits killing his daughter because she rejected her family's wishes. the rights of women around the globe in so many countries like pakistan is just absolutely deplorable. and for some reason, i don't know why we can't just call it out. >> actually, the biggest concern -- >> these men are allowed to behave like subhumans because of religion?

>> archaic religious beliefs that have no place in today's society. it's one of the concerns leading afghanistan actually, the right of the women. from nbcnews.com, a buzz saw struck a pedestrian in new york city yesterday. oh, my lord. >> the blade could be seen flying into the air. it travels 100 feet before sending people ducking and screaming. and a woman was treated at the hospital for a gash on her leg. you can believe that? >> we'll move to the "the new york times" now, new york city mayor bill de blasio's next big mission, this story is as fating is to -- >> wait. >> -- to end the city's ban on ferrets. >> willie geist -- >> you're going to have to get

rid of your ferrets, willie, all five of them. >> you know, you stop and frisk, i remain silent, all right. and bloomberg -- >> in this, you can actually have ferrets. >> you can have ferrets. >> the budweiser ferret? >> you don't remember the budweiser ferret wanted to replace the budweiser frogs. it was one of the greatest series of beer commercials perhaps that had ever been. >> it does take money out of our pockets, though. >> that's one of the things that was upsetting me. let me tell you something on the upper east side especially like in the 80s, to like 90s, they love -- >> let me get this right. >> no, listen, the ferret market -- >> red hot right now. >> oh, donny deutsch -- >> you don't want to talk about donny and his ferrets.

>> they were just lined -- >> donny's got them in his coat, too. but he's not telling them. the ban has been in place for nearly 15 years. amid concerns about rabies and possible taxi on children, it marks the mayor's major break on marco rubio and rudy giuliani. giuliani instituted the ban on ferret. he had tough words on his radio program for a pro-ferret activist back in 1999. play it. >> there's something deranged about you -- >> no there isn't, sir. >> the obsess concern that you have for ferrets is something you should examine with a therapist. >> sir, don't go insulting me again. >> i'm not insulting you. i'm being honest with you. maybe nobody in your life has been honest with you. you should go consult a psychiatrist or a psychologist and have him help you with this obsessive concern to how you are

devoting your life to weasels. >> should i vote for giuliani again next time? we need rudy to run. >> so, i need to play that when i feel i days agree with him because that is fantastic. >> how great is rudy giuliani? okay. go ahead, willie. >> ferret wars. >> ferret wars. >> are we going to see a lot of ferrets now in new york city? do people like ferrets? >> willie and i probably turn 50 gs a year in the black ferret market. >> it is cash. >> they are weasels. >> yeah. >> okay. chief white house correspondent mike allen has got a look inside the playbook. mike, good morning. >> good morning, willie. that clip is a nice birthday president for mayor giuliani who is 70 today. >> look at this. >> mike allen, he doesn't miss a

beat. it wasn't too long that republican congressman michael grimm from new york became a household name after he threatened a new york 1 reporter. >> why, why, if you ever do that to me again? >> why, why? it's a valid question. [ bleep ]. >> no, no, you're not man enough. you're not man enough. i'll break you in half like a boy. >> i'll break you in half like a boy. congressman grimm has eventually apologized but now he's lashing out at theed my in an exclusive interview with you at politico saying in part, the press focuses on the most ridiculous nonsense i can dream about. look, i'll sum it up, what do i think of the press, i think right now, and it's been this way for two years, if i pass a

burning building and i stop and i 31 and i sav a baby, you fwhee the head line will be? grimm starts the fire. that's just the reality." what else do we need to know? >> what's fascinating, willie, the house republican campaign committee has pulled back from helping himming among their own endangered incumbents. last week, his political aide quit. so this is a congressman who is literally running his own campaign. he sat down in a brooklyn diner for 20 minutes, willie, when you're running for office, you always want to have an answer ready for those tough questions, the curveballs that might be thrown at him. alex threw a surprising and tough question at him. he said, are you guilty of the indictment that you face which included hiding wages and illegal employees at a fast food joint. and congressman grimm didn't

have an answer for whether or not he was guilty. he said, well, it depends exactly what you're asking me about. that's trouble. >> yeah, the problem is, press isn't now focusing on that clip from last year. they're focusing on the 20-point federal indictment. those are real charges. how does he look now in this race, has he got a chance? >> he said his constituents doubt him because he gets dult. politico saying his underdog seat in staten island, usually very republican, likely to go democrat. and you have a very unusual situation where at the capitol, even republicans aren't helping him. he resigned from his committee and he's becoming an embarrassment to the party. this interview will do nothing to change that. >> most importantly, mike, where does he come down on ferrets in new york city? he doesn't represent statin i will. >> yeah, illicit mammals are one of the few counts he does not

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all right. let's do some sports. game four of the wednesday conference finals. we've got a brand-new series. here. remember, the spurs blew out the thunder in the first two games. looked like a quick one. not so much. russell westbrook getting it done. 40 points, ten assists, five steals and zero turnovers. westbrook comes up huge. oklahoma rolls 105-92. series now tied two games a

piece. the heat look to punch their title for the nba finals. rangers and canadiens game five. second period, tied at 4-4, ray bourque, second goal of the night. habs go up 5-4 and the floodgates open. bourque scores another one. he gets the hat trick. rangers lead the series 3-2 as it now comes back to new york. tonight, the blackhawks on the brink. they host the kings in game five. the kings will move on to the stanley cup finals for the win. and now 50 cent. >> yeah. >> i really like. he's a big strong guy and works out. >> i don't think that makes a difference, though. >> big guy. >> athletic looking guy, right? >> he is. what do you think, threw out the ceremonial first pitch at last night's mets game, before he took to the mound, the rapper

had a prediction of what he expected. tonight, going to throw out the first pitch, a little nervous, excited, excited. you know what, i think i'm going to throw a strike. >> he said i'm going to throw a strike. >> yeah, very excited. >> he is in shape. >> he's confident. >> you heard about this. >> oh, no, what happened. >> this is the pitch. >> oh! >> oh! >> oh, my gosh. >> look at them all looking at it. oh my lord! >> wee! >> maybe it had tailing action on it. >> he had the windup. >> a slider -- >> wee! what happened. >> it's hard to know. >> wee! you have to try to do that. that didn't happen by accident. >> willie, let me just say i --

can i say, i know how to throw. i can throw. and you throw it straight. and you have to work to make that happen. that doesn't happen by accident. >> 50 in the first celebrity to throw a terrible first pitch. let's take a walk through the top five. politics, with all due respect, the president of the united states, nationals park. he did well. >> yeah, yeah, looks good, looks strong. wee! >> hey, at least it went toward the plate. >> thank you, everybody. >> okay, stop it! stop it. i'm going to punch you. >> let's go to number four, carlie ray jepsen, this too many might be the worst of all time. tropicana field, st. pete. >> that's about a ten-foot pitch there. >> throwing like a girl. >> the release point is not where you want it.

>> it's not bad. >> and how about number three. the queen of pop. is she the queen of pop? mariah carey, in japan, high-heels. >> she looks good. >> mercy. nobody's looking at the pitch. >> there we go. >> number two, the most gifted athletes of all time. >> karl rove. >> what! oh, lord. what was that! >> no! >> get off the field. >> get off the field, carl. >> this is truly the worst of all time. cincinnati, 2007, then mayor mark mallory, just watch this one. >> oh, my. >> why, guys? what happened? >> what did they do? what did they do as children? >> you can see in the clip.

you watch the ejection. the it pans a little bit and he throws it out of the end zone. >> get out of here. get out of here. why is that so hard, guys? >> oh, man. >> still ahead, chris matthews and david gregory is joining our conversation. and next, mika's must-read opinion pages.

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live look at washington, d.c. it's the top of the hour. it's a beautiful day in washington. it's also like that here in new york. welcome back to "morning joe." >> mr. sunshine. >> i was not thinking that, actually. >> "morning joe" contributor john heilman is here. and in washington, the host of msnbc's "hardball" chris matthews is here. and we've got the moderator david gregory. look at this. >> a full house. >> there we go. let's get to our top story then. and hear from these guys. after 13 years of war, president obama is ushering in the beginning of the end of american operations in afghanistan. >> america's combat mission will be over by the end of this year. starting next year, afghans will

be fully responsible for securing their country. i've made it clear that we're open to cooperating with afghans on two narrow missions after 2014. training afghan forces and supporting counterterrorism operations against the remnants of al qaeda. the bottom line is it's time to turn the page on more than a decade in which so much of our foreign policy was focused on the wars in afghanistan and iraq. when i took office, we had nearly 180,000 troops in harm's way. by the end of this year, we will have less than 10,000. >> u.s. troops trickled in during the initial invasion after 9/11. but the footprint of american foots on the ground swelled to more than 100,000 by 2009. by the start of 2015, fewer than 10,000 are expected to remain. >> chris matthews, of course,

this president tripled the number of troops in afghanistan back in 2009 because he thought it would change the arc of this war. it hasn't really had a significant impact. i hear washington foreign policy experts talk about how we need to stay there. how we need to keep a footprint in afghanistan, even past 2016. and i just think they're disconnected from the realities of this country. we will have been in afghanistan for 15 years. isn't it time now after 15 years to bring our troops home? doesn't the president have this one right? >> yes, and i think that it has all the perils of leaving that we can imagine. those of us that grew up in vietnam, remember the helicopters on the u.s. embassy. at what point will they be able to fight and stand down the taliban in time, over time? and i think that's a question. but the other argument is when do you leave it. until somebody is willing to

say, well, we don't blame you if you leave, we'll never leave. there's always someone who says, if you just stayed a few more years you would have solidified that government. i think eventually, the people who live there run the country. that's always the limits of foreign policy. you have to come home eventually. and the people who stay, including the taliban are going to have more influence than you. that was the rule of vietnam. you can't blame the people who stay after you leave because they'll be there and you'll be gone. i think the president is biting the bullet. we have to leave sometime. why not now. >> that's an argument that we've had since 2009, should we stay? because if we leave, x, y and z will happen. how is 2010 different than 2020 different than 2030? we're going to leave at some point. and at some point, the taliban or whatever they call themselves

by 2020 or 2030 will still be there. >> well, that's right. and there's every reason to believe that the taliban has a part in the future of governing the country, whether america likes it or not. there have already been stop and start negotiations with the taliban who are very familiar with the afghan people. so many of the deadliest of those forces hang out in pakistan, in know man's land called the federal administrator tribal area. that's a real concern. because they talk about the remnants of al qaeda. but all of those affiliates are still there across the border. and could do a lot to turn afghanistan back into a failed state. that gets to the question of what does it mean to have a residual force. we've ended wars in circumstances where we kept troops in asia who are still there. what does it mean to have a counterterrorism focus both there and in other parts of the world. i think the acknowledgement by the president and others this is not just war weariness, it's our

ability to make some meaningful difference has been exhausted itself. >> yes. >> and i thinks that the argument that they also use in iraq, and i think you'll hear that from the president today. >> i think that's fair enough. i couldn't agree more with chris matthews. and john heilman is there any foreign policymaker or diplomat who might have been in afghanistan who said 15 years ago would say yes, let's go and stay there for 15 years? >> i don't think there's anybody who would have wanted to make that kind of commitment. >> of course not. >> in the future of afghanistan, that's one of the things we forget when we talk about this country. dave gregory has made the point that the ability to change things in this country has been marginal. that's been true in afghanistan for 200 year, 400 years, 1,000 years of countries that have tried to go to afghanistan alter its course have found it

resistant to outside influence. that is one of the greatest lessons here. this is a tough country and one that is sort of immune to outside pressure. chris i would ask you this question, one of the things built into the question that joe posed to his first question to you. president obama is now -- we're talking about out of afghanistan. we're talking out of iraq. those are two big things that people will in the history of his presidency was written, people will look back and say this is the president who ended those two big wars but in the middle there was that period where president obama did increase the war in afghanistan to a large degree. so we do we look when president obama's administration is over we we look back on him primarily as a peacemaker? or is the record much more mixed because of that period where he had the big afghan surge? >> well, i think joe biden was actually right in that case saying fighting for antiterrorism and counterinsurgency.

i think the president went deeper than biden wanted to but that was the president's call. you're right, he did go deeper than people thought he should have including democrats. i think it's a simple meat cleaver approach to foreign policy. you've got the dick cheney approach supported by george w. and the very aggressive, go into countries try to influence their futures. freedom agenda. there's the modified version which is obama. and the other version which is less than that certainly not going into iraq was the other argument. i don't know if there's a subtle place for hillary clinton, for example, to run. i don't know -- i guess the president is laying it out in his speech. >> right. >> there's some sort of an act terrorist restraint. you agree to do that you don't get involved so keep that you're there 15 years. >> i just want to make a point about john's point. he's a president that wanted to end these costly draining wars.

but he certainly fought very hard to keep a big portion of that security state. that started under bush. he wanted to keep that going, willie? >> chris, the other part of this argument which you heard in the last hour from richard haass and general hayden, john mccain made the point yesterday, it's that withdrawal from afghanistan or any country should not be calendar-based it should be results-based. you can't pick a date in 2016 saying we're out come hell or high water. what do you make of that debate? >> well, i've thought about this a lot. maybe this is too general a term. the united states is really not good at colonialism, when we get overseas, we want to know when the movies are going to arrive and when we're coming home. the british were there to stay. they were doing gilbert & sullivan. they brought a great democracy to india because they're willing to live there and become part of india. we americans love it here in the

united states, we don't want to go live somewhere else. we're not very good at this. i don't know many cases where we've created an american-style democracy by influence. it's very hard, we don't want to live there and give them an example. how many european powers have been that great in inspiring enduring roots of democracy anywhere? in the end, the countries have to decide for themselves what kind of a government they want. we can't stop the sunnis have hating the shias, we can't stop that. it's thousands of years of history. and we don't know where the arms are left over from saddam. all the people when the military was broken up by bremer. we don't know where the guns are and munitions. that country could come apart, soon as well. countries in the end become who they are. when the brits leave kenya, it eventually becomes kenya. like it or not, it's going to look like that. those countries become who they are. i have limited notions about how

you can take a culture of democracy or something like that, somewhere besides our own country, we're still fighting to make it work here. >> you know what's kind of interesting in reading the multiple editorials, most of them coming down on the side that the president erred given the specific timetable for withdrawal, there's very little mention about the fact that the american military is exhausted and nearly money from constant redeployments to afghanistan, as well as iraq. the only thing that would solve that is something that would never happen, a draft. >> right. >> needed to rejuve nate the military. and the other thing, we have an historically unreliable government in afghanistan under karzai. who's to say if we stay there ten years that it makes a

difference. >> it won't make any difference. staying tripling the number of troops was making a mistake in afghanistan. and as far as the draft goes, that's something that charlie rangelle kicked around for a while and people thought kind of crazy for suggesting that. if we get a draft, after we went to iraq, we still would have gone to iraq. because 75% of americans believe that it was weapons of mass destruction, a year and a half after 9/11, we still would have gone. but when we found out they didn't have weapons of mass destruction, our boys and girls would have been home in 2004. we wouldn't have stayed there. we would have been out of afghanistan in 2006, 2007 after we hunted down most of the terrorists. david gregory, as mike said, it's been a dozen years or so where we've asked way too much of our military. they've delivered because they're extraordinary. but it's been the age of occupation. we've got to move past the false

choice that we were given back in 2001 which the pottery barn rule, if you break it you own it. no that suggests if we go into syria and there's a slaughter going on there or iran and we find out they have nuclear weapons to destabilize the world. that somehow to fix a broken country means that we have to occupy that country for a decade. that's the false choice that we've lived by. that's the false choice that i personally think we need to get past. remember that at the beginning, pottery barn rule if you break it, you own it. no, chris matthews could not be more right. america doesn't do occupations. that's what we've been doing. and it's broken our military. it's broken the bank, and we need to move past that. >> you know, tony blair talks about how islamic fundamentalism in the middle east is not abated. it's gotten worse. the difficulty at that point the

interest in the united states fighting that fight has greatly diminished. so i think one of the doctrines of the obama years is we're only going to do something where we can actually make an actual difference. we're not going to own it because we have to actually have to somehow own it. but i have two questions, one is, we may be leaving these wars, but are these wars really leaving us? these future presidents are being committed to making sure there are not failed states around the globe where regional terrorists can congregate and can pose a threat to the united states. that's a question about the staying power. secondly, i think the president today in talking to white house officials wants to try to return to the idea of the new world order. back under the first president bush which is america is indispensable in its leadership. america's still the strongest country militarily and economically. and has a choice that can resonate around the globe that can attract allies to do some of the tough work, as they're still pockets of geopolitics being played around the world.

the problem is who are those allies exactly? europe has not proven to be terribly reliable. britain politically is much more entrenched in terms of committing forces. and china, as an emerging world power isn't so interested as being an international responsible player in terms of rooting out trouble spots around the world. so that's the difficulty this president faces, i think, in trying to enter into this new era after these ten years of war. >> you know, joe, i'll say one thing in favor of the pottery barn doctrine, that was colin powell's formulation, his point in making that argument, the point where he actually was in agreement with you in some sense. what he was trying to say was, we need to be cautious about get entangled. once you start to get involved, you end up, as things start getting broken, you start to feel responsibility for them. and it's very easy to get sucked in. his argument was not so much we should go in and break things and then take responsibility for them. it was, look, guys, each one of

these instances we should be very, very careful and cautious. because once you're in the store, it's a lot harder to get out than it is to walk in the door. >> i understand. i've agreed with that. i agreed. it was call the weinberger doctrine. colin powell added important tenants to that. i'm just saying, willie, now that we move forward, do we keep steering towards syria, 100,000, 150,000 dead. and do were say, we can't go in there, if we go in there and help, then we're going to be locked down for a decade. we own syria. that's a false choice. that's how we've been looking at these engagements. and generals always fight the last war. so do presidents and so -- >> there are some things that we're doing that are being looked at in syria now. >> not enough. we haven't done a enough. >> well -- >> there's a refugee crisis that spilled across the border. it's detablized the entire

region. i understand we've got to stretch military. and i'm not even talking about what the president should or should not have done but as a country, willie, this all or nothing approach, again, going back to what chris just said. this all or nothing approach where we either let a country destabilize an entire region. that's a false choice. >> it commends what you mean by go in there, when you say go in there, are you talking about putting troops on the ground? that's a different go in there than talk about defending troops? go in there implies we're going to send our guys with boots on the ground and there's just not an appetite for that type of thing. >> there's no question, you'd hear criticism resounding around this table. that's why it's sort of hard to say you can't look at syria and not act. and have such criticism for it and end those wars. >> well, chris matthews, it's a

complicated place. this president, i guess, thought it was going to be a lot more simple than it ended up being, once you're commander in chief. >> fair. >> and you're right, though, chris, police say what you were about to say, we're not a complicated people. >> no. >> but we're still jacksonians. we want to go in with overwhelming force, we want to win and we want to bring our troops back home. >> you're right, you were talking about the polling going into iraq. not just wmds but the war had a marginal support, of course. but the funny thing is, we asked the american people at the time if we expect to take significant casualties should we go in? and america reversed that and had a modest majority against going into war. were we realistic about takes casualties. the europeans are always realistic about it. i always think about that great city, you come out of the south if the gone with the wind. when the war gets announced all

the good looking guys hang around scarlett o'hara and tara, yeah, we're all going to war! the war ends up with the people like on the ground in atlanta. the war seems arouse when you go go in but you don't think about the end. and it's always a different culture. so presidents if they want to lead this country over time and be respected. you have to understand that america can be led into war. w. did that. look where w.'s reputation is having done that. you got to project into the future. after you know what the casualties are going to be, how long we'll be stuck in there how is that going to seem to history? that takes real vision. >> that's what mika, colin powell got so right. catsberger got so right. colin powell, at least, learned first 457bd the lessons of vietnam. we have to show restraint. >> and joe --

>> yes, david? >> even syria, arming the remembers, picking sides. there are so many jihadists who are part of those rebel groups that we can't control. look at what happened in afghanistan when we arm ed raj. >> david gregory, thank you very much. chris matthews, thank you as well. we'll be tuning into "hardball" tonight at 7:00 eastern time. still ahead -- two of the biggest names in comedy are defending hollywood's so-called frat boy films. we'll explain why they're speaking out. up next, edward snowden now says he was trained ace spy. andrea mitchell fact-checks his claims next. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. i make a lot of purchases for my business.

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tonight, brian williams sits down with nsa leaker edward snowden for an exclusive discussion on howby fundamentally change the way we think about privacy in his country. andrea mitchell joins us. >> good morning, in moscow for the last year, edward snowden may feel like a man without a country. but in his recent interview with brian williams, snowden made the case that he was never the low-level hacker who president obama and others claimed. >> reporter: an explosive claim in american history in his first u.s. television interview edward snowden tells brian williams he was a bigger player than we now know. >> were you trained as a spy? it seems that spies probably look a lot more like ed snowden than a lot less like james bond

these days? >> it's no secret that the u.s. tends to get better intelligence out of computers nowadays than that he do out of the people. i was trained as a spy in sort of the traditional sense of the word in that i lived and worked undercover,over's, pretending to work in a job that i'm not. even assigned a name that was not mine. now, the government might deny these thing and frame it in certain ways and say, he's a low-level analyst, but what they're trying to do they're trying to use one position that i've had in a career here or there to distract from the totality of my experience which is that i've worked for the central intelligence agency,under cover, overseas. i've worked are for the national security agency, undercover, overseas. where i developed sources and methods for keeping our information and people secure in the most hostile and dangerous environments. so when they say i'm a low-level

systems administrator, that i don't know what i'm talking about, i'd say it's somewhat. >> not the hacker that president obama dismissed last june. >> no, i'm not going to be scrambling jets to get a 29-year-old hacker. >> i hope that we don't decide that our national security interests are determined by a high school dropout who had a whole series of both academic troubles and employment troubles. >> reporter: but even his harshest critics acknowledge snowden is smart and knew how to exploit the system. >> the most massive and most damaging threat of intelligence history by edward snowden. >> reporter: an msnbc analyst and is serves on a government panel. >> government is still working through to understand exactly what edward snowden got. they know what he had access to, but understanding exactly what he downloaded when you're talking about millions of

document says very six task. >> reporter: by current estimates snowden took as much as 1.7 million documents. the foreign policy and political damage has been incal calculable. giving a propaganda bon nasa to allies like vladimir putin. >> you guys can throw it back to andrea, but i don't know what's worse, trying to in a misleading way, not saying it happened but if it did, call this guy a hacker and a 29-year-old dropout. what's worse? a hacker and a 29-year-old dropout could do what he did? or someone highly sophisticated who worked as a spy under cover for the united states? i'd almost feel more comfortable if the second was true. >> you clearly just listened to him. he's not a 29-year-old hacker or dropout. he's a very articulate, very smooth sophisticated young man.

the question, andrea, that i'd like to ask you, according to your sources, the sources you've spoken with, some of which i've spoken with do they think that edward snowden realized the totality of what he had? >> they do. they think he was deliberately going in and as they put it scraping and taking. they still don't know, and this is what's really extraordinary. we've talked to people, our consultants and others who are still in the government. they do not know what he took. they are estimates it's 1.7 million documents. they know what they accessed. they don't know what he took. what we have confirmed is he did do three lectures for the defense intelligence agency as he claimed to brian. he did three lectures. one in japan focusing on cyberattacks. how to defend and protect against cyberwar, particularly from china. so he had a fairly sophisticated knowledge. even though at one point he took and aced i'm told a very big

test for advancement to an elite corps. now there's an allegation especially from his bosses that he downloaded that test. and in effect, studied by having the test. so that's what anybody would call cheating. so there's a lot of controversy over what mike rodgers had suggested which is what the intelligence bosses are putting out that he had a checkered career. there's no question he was very bright. as you'll see tonight in tonight's interview on prime time with brian, he was very highly motivated. and it might surprise you what his motivation was. >> and as snowden said he leaked these documents in terms of what the american government could have known what he was doing. but some critics say he perhaps shared information with china and russia although there's no evidences of that there evidence that he shared state secrets with other countries? >> there's absolutely no evidence of that. what you'll hear is his answers about russia and putin.

surprising answers. also about what he says whether or not he even took anything. as glenn greenwald and others speak for him said he did not physically carry some of that stuff out. so the journalists, glenn greenwald and others, advocates, "the guardian," "washington post," and as you know, "washington post" won a pulitzer for this. this is all stuff that they now have. and they are going to be trickling it out. >> andrea mitchell, thank you so much. we'll be watching "andrea mitchell reports" tonight at noon. still ahead, why some women say they want to be called bossy. anything wrong with that? >> no. >> are you sure, willie? >> mike barnicle routinely is bossy pants. >> right. okay. we'll be right back.

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who turned up the heat in new york city? temperature about 20 degrees colder right now than this time yesterday. i'm meteorologist bill karins. we had had some pretty cool

shots yesterday. only a few injuries with that tornado in north dakota. it's not often you that see a tornado like this. first up, it's off in the distance. this is a rural area where the oil companies have set up these little remote towns. these guys had nowhere to run. literally, there's no storm shelters. it went right next to them. and they just stood up and looked at it. it looks beautiful. and how about this, storm chaser in south dakota yesterday, filming a rainbow at the end of his day. and it sounds like a bomb went off. that was a lightning strike just inches from his vehicle. look at the debris shattering up in the air. and that's the result, where the lightning strike hit the asphalt, literally just inches ahead of it. looks like charcoal. let's get to the cold air that boston what has center to the south. yesterday it was 50 in boston. d.c. was 90. today, new york city will be

about 67 with cool showers. it's back to light jacket and pants weather. d.c., you're holding ton a little bit of the heat. just like yesterday, a chance of strong storms could come this afternoon. especially dampin idamaging win. down along the gulf coast, i-10 is not a fun drive across louisiana. you have a chance for significant flash flooding. we could add up to 3 to 5 inches of rain in the deep south. mika, we did turn the heat up, yesterday, 107 in 1phoenix. today, 106. up next, he's been to some of the most dangerous parts of the world. report ogg whan it's like to fight in america's longest war. sebastien young standing by with what happens next now that the war in afghan is winding down. "morning joe" will be right back. [ female announcer ] with weight watchers, you can eat this,

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>> this one's for you. >> for a while there, i started thinking that god hates me. like i say, i'm not religious or anything, but i felt like there was just hate for me because i sinned. you know, sinned. and i thought it would happen the same way, everything the same exact way. i still feel this way, you know. and that's the terrible thing with war, you know, they do terrible things. then you have to live with them afterwards. >> that was a clip from the

upcoming documentary "korengal" here with us is the director and producer, oscar-nominated director, contributing editor for "vanity fair." sebastian junger. explain where you wanted to make this film, we pick up where you left off. what has this examined? >> it's an experimental film for the audience. "korengal" what i wanted to do is try to explain this thing. there's moral damage. on the other hand, the guys missed it. afterwards, they really missed it. and most of them said they wanted to go back. so what's going on? the film sort of explores basically the emotional effects of war on soldiers. >> you listen to that young man at the top of the segment, and you realize that everything else

that we talk about, ptsd, and all of the physical injuries that we're bringing home. generations now, of men and women, who have done repeat tours of duty. and that incapsule lates overall what we're strapping on this generation, this guilt, this feeling of being broken, almost, mike. >> well, we have in the papers today various editorials and news stories obviously with the president's announcement yesterday there will be more, gimp his speech at west point today. with the reduction in forces to 9800 troops. but with the stories in today's papers and editorials in today's papers don't get to is something that you put your finger on for a number of years, the toll that not only war, but constant redeployments to the same war take on military families. less than 1% of us who serve this nation at war. >> i think the tricky thing about that figure, that if you wanted it to be larger, you'd need a huge army, and we can't

afford that. so i think we're stuck with the 12%. and get is really how do we interact with that 1% in a way that makes their lives easier to come home. the 1% to me is really an important figure. the other aspect of it, when you encounter people -- i have encountered people, you certainly more than i have, five, six, eight deployments to iraq and afghanistan, it begs the question, well, isn't there something wrong with the policy? >> well, maybe, but i don't think we can solve that real problem with numbers. i just think the country doesn't have enough money to have a five-million man army. we just don't have it. policy say different question. we can debate -- personally, i was completely against iraq. i thought it was a mistake and i didn't think it was going to end well. afghanistan, sort of a different matter. personally, i was there in 2001, the afghans that i talked to i

think they were incredibly grateful that we were there. we went there with 50,000 troops and 24rthere were 40,000 cops i new york city. it was all going to fall apart. and the afghans knew that. the election was called a success. i didn't see it coming. >> let me ask you a question on craft. you are a master of journalism and have been doing that for a long time, from a lot of dangerous places, writing long magazine pieces and writing books. you've now made two movies. talk about the difference in makes movies than what you've previously done, what the different challenges and opportunities are and the differences that film could have? >> i think films and books are really different. books can really inquire deeply into something. you're using words you're going to literally a different part of the person's brain.

with a film, you know, if something goes bang in a film, people jump, because part of their brain thinks they're there. they think say are in the cinema, right? no one jumps when they read the word "bang ""k"bang" in a book. you can in effect people viscerally. the challenge is to have a narrative that keeps people wanting to understand, to read more, watch more. you're asking for a week of someone's life or 90 minutes of someone's life with a film. you really have to think about the narrative and what's going to be compelling. >> i think what we don't look at the most here and what you're examining here in the psyche of these soldiers. is the permission guilt they were left with. they were permission to go into this. they were given our support, our solidarity, to go in and fight for us. and not understanding the

consequences of their guilt as they come home as these men and women are interrupted their lives now. >> and what it tells me is civilians send soldiers to war. it's not the soldiers' war, it's our war. the civilians don't quite get that, that they think it's the soldiers' war. it may seem subtle to you, but to soldiers, it's not a subtle point. we sent them out there. >> you imagine these two movies, you imagine them together with a great war photographer who is no longer with us, you made the first one with him. he didn't make this one with you. how is it different as an emotional experience as a joint project to have to do it on your own? >> it's sad. he shot about half the footage in the film. every time i saw the stuff, i started to think about it. there's bits that he shot of me

there, joking around with the guys or whatever. it's sort of poignant to hear him laughing. just a bit of footage i saw in the film. i'm telling a joke, you could hear tim laughing. it sort of just goes to the edit room. >> he's there. sebastian junger, thank you very much. "korengal" will be available in new york city theaters this friday. go see it. also a limited release on june 13th. for more with sebastian go to afternoon joe with an limited interview. >> still ahead what julie louis-dreyfus father is giving away that could be a game-changer for new york city school students. he joins the table next to explain. and tomorrow, i'm going to be joining my mom at books & books for a discussion in a signing of her new book "the lure of the

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tell me what you thought when you first met my dad and he told you about this plan, which is a long. term plan. >> your dad comes to my office, he comes and i'm looking at it's him. it's like the whore's no entour it's just him. i don't know because i meet a lot of people and people come with all kinds of agendas and things and ideas and the first thing i was struck with is his real passion for justice and to right the wrongs of what he felt happened in this country during slavery. >> that was a clip from the documentary "generosity of i," which kicked off the first

philanthropy summit. i like it. we've had a lot of summits and conferences, this is a good one. tell us more. >> i think it captures the spirit the summit will have, too. philanthropy is in a different place right now. it's no more about write be checks and walks away. william dreyfuss, who is giving his art collection to the harlem zone, he's not just writing a check. he's giving away something he deeply loves. it's going to a cause, which most of us knows is one of the great education groups. >> who is going to be involved? >> you have some of the best brains, multi-generational

people, lots of money being used in specific ways. we have michael bloomberg and some of the major foundation, the walton foundation, the google found eric we have great millennials like lawrence busch lawrence, a biden as well and a roundup otherwise some of the leading figures in the philanthropic world. >> it sounds like you have this great collection. we see familiar names but these are the younger generations. explain what chelsea is finding out of her role within the family foundation that her name is on, how is shy trying to pay it forward and move the need approximately. >> as we know, she's about 3434, she's about to become a mother. he said she's tried every way not to get involved in the family foundation.

after trying all these different things in life, from working for mckenzie and wall street and getting two. hds, this will be interesting for her. what does she think as a millennial is going to do for the foundation, where has it been, where is it going? and if she was a college student and she had 50 bucks, what would she would it, if she was a millionaire and is $5 million, what would she do with it. >> and is she ready be the first child again sp. >> bill gates in a lot of ways is the template. the gates foundation and its approach, not just throwing money at things but having metrics for when things are achieving solutions, how much is the spirit of galts kind of

hovering over all of the discussions that you'll have? >> i agree with you. i think that he maybe was one of the first to apply a new standard when it came to just giving, he wanted to not just throw money at it but, as you say, have some very specific goals to make sure they were meeting those goals. and he's put a lot behind -- he's put his money where his mouth is. he given away $25 billion. recently he's supposedly pulling back a little bit. i don't know what we can read into it, besides the fact that philanthropy is a very difficult thing. hopefully the summit will bring this to the fore where you have these insurgent, nimble people

who have been doing it in their own way. his spirit who hahovers over al it. >> thank you so much. what you're doing is wonderful. >> coming up, did an op-ed go too far when it suggested hollywood played a role in the santa barbara tragedy? and the ferret ban that got the mayor all worked up during his time in office. >> you should go consult a psychologist or a psychiatrist have and have him help you with in excessive concern how you are devoting your life to weasles.

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now to the killings in santa barbara. the father of the victim called for stricter gun laws at a rally. >> if you agree that the people in washington should hear that not one more person should have to die because of this ridiculous situation, then when i raise my hand, i want you to shout so loud that they're going to hear you. >> not one more! not one more! right now there hasn't been much blowback from the other side, but i anticipate that once my grieving period is over, the gloves will come off. i don't think it's going to be easy. they're going to try to do to me the same thing they've done to all these people, but i have a message for them. my son's dead and there's nothing you can do to me that's worse than that. >> wow. that kind of says it all actually. we're learning more about the

20-year-old accused in all of this. the family spokesman said he had been in therapy since childhood, had a form of autism and had blown off the medication prescribed. in the aftermath of the tragedy, many are searching for answers. "washington post" film critic ann hornaday is blames hollywood. and she names names. she writes it is just as clear that his delusions were inflated, if not created by the tant industry he grew up in. as rodger bemoaned his life of

rejection and unfulfilled desire and arrogantly denounced he would prove his status as the true alpha male, he unwittingly expressed the toxic double helix of insecurity and entitlement that comprises hollywood's dna. how many students watched out -- how many conclude that it's not fair. actor seth roguen responded "how

dare you imply that me getting girls in movies caused a lunatic to go on a rampage. miss hornaday responded on. >> it bares all of us asking what the costs are of having such a narrow range of stories that we all buy into. as a film critic, what i wanted to do was think about what echos we heard from the larger culture and maybe pose some questions that might be useful. >> what do you think? >> you know, i think there's

good points on both sides. i think she has point. i don't know what we could do about it. i was reading all the tweets coming through and the response to all of this. one tweet says i worry and i teach my daughter how not to get raped. are we going to teach or sons anything? it's a little bit teaching defense rather than -- >> is that hollywood's fault, though? >> no but you can't also take the complicity out of it as well. there are these stereotypes and images that are built up as good and what is success for a man and i think what she's talking about often is. come on, you cannot look at me -- >> this guy, the first two clips

we showed today and -- the father has a right as far as i'm concerned to say whatever he said and i might say the same thing in his position. there were three people killed with a knife here. after newtown i was clear about my feelings about rambo-style guns. this situation -- this is not the same. three people were killed with a knife. this guy had handguns, americans have a constitutional right to carry handguns. that is protected by the united states supreme court. that's not the issue. this isn't newtown. and this kid wasn't warped by watching comedies. this boy if you go on and see his video, this boy had never --

i mean, he is on the asperger's scale. he had not only never been with a woman, never had sex with a woman, he never kissed a woman, never touched a woman, he lived in this isolated -- >> i think you're backing up her point. >> this is a mental health issue. >> let's move on to the other big story of the day. after 13 years of war, president obama is ushering in the beginning of the end of america's operations in afghanistan. >> america's combat mission will be over by the end of this year. starting next year, afghans will be fully responsible for securing their country. i've made it clear that we're

open to cooperating with afghans on two narrow missions after 2014, training afghan forces and supporting counterterrorism operations against the remnants of al qaeda. the bottom line is it's time to turn the page on more than a decade on which so much of our foreign policy was focused on the wars in afghanistan and iraq. when i talk office, we had nearly 180,000 troops in harm's way. by the end of this year, we will have less than 10,000. >> u.s. troops trickled in during the initial invasion after 911, but the footprint of american boots on the ground swelled to more than 100,000. >> mike barnicle, the wall street journal not exactly pleased. >> "the washington post" lead

editorial is very similar to the wall street journal's editorial basically saying he shouldn't have done this. the "new york times" is saying he didn't go far enough fast enough. "the washington post" says ending wars, nation building at home, these are popular and attractive slogans and they make a lot of sense in the abstract but they don't necessarily bring peace to a dangerous world and the president can't always safely choose which dangers he would rather confront. >> do you agree with that, richard? >> i agree with the two critical editorials. he just had a new round of elections in afghanistan. why we would do this unilaterally and not work this out with the new popularly elected afghan government is beyond me. more important, you can't make foreign policy by calendar. we should look at what we're doing in afghanistan and sap we're going to keep those forces there so long as conditions warrant against the back drop of the totality of american foreign policy. but just say in a year or two

years it turns out a modest investment of u.s. forces is doing good, just as it's done amazing good in places like korea for decades. why is it we would arbitrarily set a deadline and say no matter what? what signal does that seasoned to the new government, to the taliban and to terrorists? i simply don't understand why, again, we're approaching afghanistan through a calendar rather than through local realities. >> do you think that this announcement would affect the new government coming in in afghanistan, would it fact their reasoning whether or not to sign the bilateral agreement that karzai has refused to sign? >> it kind of gives them a fait de complis.

>> we know the troop levels now, 9,800 troops, and by the end of 2016 we'll be out of afghanistan for all intents and purposes a couple of weeks before president obama leaves office. was this the right move? >> i think the number is okay. it probably on the low end of the specificable numbers from my point of view the and military's point of view. i agree, we lose all leverage and negotiations with the new afghan president. the president just said before i leave office, i'm going to make afghanistan look like iraq. going to zero in iraq did not lead to a happy outcome and he's doing the same thing in afghanistan. i think it's fairly dangerous. >> would leaving 10,000 troops

in iraq have made a difference? >> i actually do. without american forces in iraq, two dynamics begin to take place, joe. number one, the different factions in iraq with the americans gone allow their worst fierce to motivate their actions with regard to the other faxes. you doesn't have the americans as an damp i don't knowing effect, kind of a guarantor the worst wouldn't happen. since they don't have that guarantee, they all begin to look after their on interest and we see what happens there. the second is how different does syria look if we kept one or two fighter squadrons and maybe one fighter brigade in iraq, for one this evening to prevent -- >> a lot of americans will look at this and they say 2016, that will be 15 years, a decade and a half in afghanistan, that should be plenty of time for us. how long would you leave troops

there? in perpetuity? i don't think any time we leave afghanistan it's going to be a perfect place or a safe place. how long if you had your dream choice would you keep troops there? >> as long as it takes. you make a decision, how much does it cost me to keep the troops there, what are they accomplishing for it? if it turns out that 10,000 troops would help dampen the internation fighting, would train up the local forces, carry out counterterrorism missions, make a place that still matters to us more stable at an acceptable cost, why wouldn't we keep 10,000 troops there in an open ended way? that is a smart way of making national security. what makes me so uncomfortable with this, we're making these deadlines and saying no matter what we're now committed to this? what happens if the president wakes up in two years and it

turns out that his military advisers say this a a good investment. i don't understand why he would create this pressure on himself. >> the constant strain on the american military, we had five, six, seven, eight redeployment, what do you do with that in terms of troop strength in a country like afghanistan? >> i understand, mike. it has been a great strain but 10,000 is not 180,000. a presence for training and counterterrorism is not the same thing as major force-on-force

operations at two theaters in iraq and afghanistan at the same time. i think the american military could sustain that. i don't argue with the president pulling back the american combat mission but the mere presence for training and counterterrorism to give confidence to the new afghan government, i think it's a burden that the military can stand and still do the rebuilding that we all know it has to do after more than a decade of war. >> general hayden very much. >> staill ahead, why it okay to call yourself a girl and it's okay to be bossy. the counterargument to what's called leaning in. plus google is looking to break into another industry. is it too early? and congressman michael graham has some harsh words about the media. at least it wasn't harsh words at the media.

>> he was going to throw him over -- i thought that was harsh enough. >> yeah, he wanted to throw the reporter over the balcony and hurt him. first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> that was a crazy party. >> did you hit your head, bill? >> a couple times on the way down the stairs. good morning, everyone. we're in the middle of a short week. we had a lot of bad storms yesterday. they were widespread. there were a lot of power outages. all the dots show you where we had wind damage yesterday, in maryland and down into the mid-atlantic. today a similar scenario. we're not going to be widespread but the big story is going to be the temperatures. we call this a back door cold front. yesterday, boston, you were in the 60s.

today 54 degrees,s that tough. we had thunderstorms and a lot of heavy rain on i-10. by the time we're all said and done by tomorrow, we could add an additional 4 to 5 inches in this region. so louisiana, some of the worst weather of the nation. areas of the desert southwest, it's the hottest you've been so far this season. you cool off tomorrow but it's right back on saturday. i think officially you can say the heat is here to stay in the desert southwest. almost right on time. it is almost june. washington, d.c., almost 92 degrees yesterday and thunderstorms. today mid 80s with another round of storms this afternoon.

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sterling's constitutional rights. really? >> and from the "usa today," pakistani police say a family stoned a 25-year-old pregnant woman to death in broad daylight as dozens of people looked on. officials say the woman was beaten with bricks because she was mayor was -- she married the man she loved and rejected a prearranged marriage to her cousin. he admitted to killing he is daughter because she rejected the family's wishes. the rights of women around the globe in so many countries like pakistan is absolutely deplorable. for some reason i don't know why we can't just call it out. these men are allowed to behave like subhumans because of religion? >> archaic religious beliefs that have no place in today's society. it's one of the concerns leaving

afghanistan actually is the plight of the women. >> a flying buzzsaw blade struck a manhattan pedestrian yesterday. >> it traveled nearly 100 feet sending people screaming and ducking before hitting a tree. a woman was treated at the hospital for a gash on her leg. >> oh, my gosh! >> do you believe that? >> we'll move to the "new york times" now. new york city mayor bill de blasio's next big mission is to -- this array of stories is fascinating -- is to end the city's ban on pet ferrets. willie geist, you're going to have to get rid of your ferrets, all five of them. >> willie, you stop and frisk, when he had that fight, i

remained silent. >> i misread it. he actually says can you have ferrets now. >> oh, never mind. >> they're legal. >> and you're good, willie, with all five. >> the budweiser ferret. >> oh, it is one ugly animal. >> the budweiser ferret wanted to replace the budweiser frogs. it was one of the greatest series of beer commercials that has ever been. >> this does take money out of our pockets, the black market ferret rings we were running. >> that's one of the things upsetting me. on the upper east side especially, you get up in the 80s to like 90s like right off a park, they -- no, listen, the ferret market. >> we don't want to talk about donny and ferrets. i'd have a trench coat and open

it up and there are ferrets -- >> donnie has them in his coat, too, but he's not selling them. the ban has been in place for 15 years amid concerns about rabies and concerns of attacks on kids in parks. giuliani instituted the ban on ferrets and he had tough words on his radio program for a pro-ferret activist back in 1999. play it! >> there's something deranged about you. >> no, there isn't, sir. >> the excessive concerns you have for ferrets is something you should examine with a therapist. >> first of all, don't go insulting me again. >> i'm not. i'm being honest with you. maybe nobody in your life has ever been honest with you. you should go consult a psychologist or psychiatrist have have him help you with this excessive concerns, how you are devoting your life to weasels.

>> can i vote for giuliani again next time? we need rudy to run. that was awesome. >> i need to play that when i feel i disagree with him because that is fantastic. >> how great is rudy giuliani? go ahead, willie. >> ferret wars. >> the ferret wars. >> are we going to see a lot of ferrets now in new york city? do people like ferrets? >> they do. >> why? >> willie and i probably turn 50 gs a year on the black ferret market. >> and that's all cash, by the way. >> they are weasels. >> let's go to political. mike al i don't know has a look inside the play book. good morning. >> that's a nice birthday present for giuliani, who is 70 today. >> he doesn't miss a beat. happy birthday, mr. mayor.

it wasn't long ago when michael grimm became a household name when he threatened a new york reporter. >> why? why? it's a valid question. >> if you ever do that to me again -- no, you're not man enough. i'll break you in half like a boy. >> and he is lashing out on the media saying in part, "the press focusses on the most ridiculous nonsense." what do i think about the press? if i pass a burning building and i stop and i run in and i save a baby, do you know what the

headline will be? grimm starts a fire. >> republicans are essentially giving up a seat. speaker boehner has refused to endorse him, the house republican campaign committee has pulled back and last week his political aide quit. this is a congressman who is literally running his own campaign. he sat down with politico's al and eisenstaedt in a political diner for 20 minutes. you noknow when you're running r office, you want to have an answer for those tough questions. he asked him are you guilty of the indictment that up face, which included hiding wages and illegal employees at a fast food joint. and congressman grimm didn't have an answer for whether or not he was guilty. he said, well, um, it depends

exactly what you're asking me about. that's trouble. >> the problem is the press isn't just focusing on that clip from last year. they're focusing on the 20-count federal indictment. those are real questions and real charges. how does he look in this race? does he have a chance? >> he says his constituents are behind him because he gets results. politico is saying he's the underdog. the seat in staten island usually very republican likely to go democrat and you have a very unusual situation where the c capital, even the republicans aren't helping him. he's resigned from his committee. he's become an embarrassment. nothing will change that. >> coming up, the ceo of nasty gal is standing by. we'll be right back.

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girl line, sophia amoroso and nicolle wallace, thomas and barnicle and me. i have an awkward moment with my mailman every day that a nasty gal comes to my door because both move girls order stuff from your company. it perfectly -- it nice. i mean, it's definitely not what i would wear because i can't -- >> there's nothing nasty about it. >> but the bag says "nasty gal" and it's me and the mailman looking me in the eye because of this box. he looking at me and may want to come in. >> before we owned nastygirl.com, it was shopnastygirl.com. >> so your isn't a porn site? >> no, it is not.

>> we did buy the url from -- >> oh, my god, i'm not helping you, am i? >> good morning. >> hello. >> you appeal to a younger demographic. what is the concept? >> i started selling vintage on ebay when i was 22 years old. i did everything, the buying, selling, shipping. >> what's the attitude of nasty gal clothing? >> nasty gal is youthful. we like to say we dress girls for the best years of her life. i think that can be any age but our customer is probably mostly in her 20s, getting her first job or like getting out of school, the attitude is really kind of like fearless, outspoken. >> at 22, where did you get the resources to do that the 22? >> i didn't need any resources so i bought "ebay for dummies,"

i paid $500 and lived in my aunt's pool house. it was all sweat equity. when you buy a garment for $5 and sell it for over $1,000, that's all profit. >> you gave awesome advice. >> do you know you have a feud with -- >> i did not start a feud! >> i knew you didn't know. >> you didn't start it. my favorite thing you say is basically keep your head down. you take on sense of entitlement that i think some people feel in the workplace. can you talk about that? >> yeah. growing up my first job was at subway, my dad says when you run out of things to do, sweep the floors and then sweep them again. i'm not sure everybody was told that growing up, but as an employer, if you're like a nasty gal, there's no such thing as

"that's not my job" because i've done all those jobs, i'm not too proud to do those jobs again. if someone runs to the coffee shop like, hey, let's all pitch in here, we're a team. >> here's where i'm going to agree and say there's messages for different generations. i think the lean-in message is great for definitely me, maybe even you. >> i responded so much more to what you wrote. >> because that's us. >> i was a bus girl. i worked in food service. i feel like you taking on this motion that not everyone goes to harvard and has -- you have a great line and i had it but i can't find it but achievement building and achievement, that's not how everyone becomes a ceo. i love that. >> and i think millennials have a different attitude that sometimes doesn't necessarily take to the knowing your value or the lean-in message or they take it too soon. we still have to remember we

have to start somewhere and it doesn't hurt to remember that as you get bigger. >> so in "girlboss" i said don't arrive like you're just receiving the invitation. i didn't buy awesome things until i had a lot more than like my paycheck. that's a recent thing. >> what is it about your father that caused to you listen and pay heed to his advice, sweep the floor and sweep it again? >> i don't think he left me much room on that. "girl boss" goes into how i took short cuts that don't work, there and's a whole chapter on finance. i watched my father go through

bankruptcy and i watched them cut up their credit card and put them in a jar along with bad decisions. >> with "girl boss" and nasty girl -- >> nasty gal. >> oh, sorry. you have this uber confidence about you that young man and young women can look at with this work ethic. what would you say to people that look at your style and confidence mixed and for some that might not work in your typical work environment? >> yeah. i mean, i think you have to -- it's not that i've refused all convention. there's actually a lot of convention that i've learned is really great to follow. it's like, oh, i'm going to act professional or i'm dressing differently, i am wearing like a crazy bondage dress but i'd probably dress differently for most tv appearances than i do to go to the beach. but i think just knowing

yourself, knowing your strengths, knowing your audience. there's nothing wrong with that. you're not giving away a piece of your soul -- >> but especially when you're talking about girl boss or break a stigma about wearing a bondage dress on morning tv, is this you going against the grain to break the stigmas, to shatter them? >> i think i don't have choice, this is perhaps how i am and my story is perhaps a great example of that. but nasty gal clothing is inherently sexy, but there's an attitude to it that is very different than the other sexy brands that are out there. it's not like, hey, look at me, i'm trying to get cat walled, boobs up to here, it's like i'm going to be sexy, i'm going to be my version of feminine, whatever that is, and i'm going to do it for myself. i think that's maybe like a new concept and something that is really empowering for women. >> i have to ask, if it's okay,

how old are you? >> i just turned 30. >> that's amazing. this is why your story and your book is really going to help a generation that i think might be getting too much of a message from the women who is broken through the glass ceiling because now that we're here, we're going to confront new problems and you're addressing some of those and i really appreciate it. if you could just change the packaging. i don't know. like -- >> maybe we give you an option. >> i need an option. >> your story works with boys, too. to have that type of work ethic, it applies to boys and girls. >> absolutely. >> absolutely it does. and the stuff that you sell -- you have one piece on and then you mix it with others and it's good. it not like just all out there. having said that, the mailman does say "another nasty gal, here you go." >> that pose is really good on the front of your book.

the book is "#girlboss." good luck with it. >> thanks. >> coming up, business before the bell is next. ♪ ♪

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