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own reelection fight. also, edward snowden speaks out and gives some hints that he wants to come home. but what exactly would that look like? we'll talk to a legal expert who specializes in whistleblower cases. plus senator cochran weighs in on the mississippi mess surrounding the videotaping wife. and his opponent goes on to air to defend himself again. folks, there's just five days left before the end of this primary so opera . >> let's. late last night the first interim report revealed or frankly confirm ld there were serious problems with wait the v.a. treats our veterans when it comes to these wait times.

republicans in the house and senate have been calling for shinseki's resignation for weeks. this new report has revealed the scope of the problems that are impacting thousands of veterans. the varchl.a. inspector generald there are 1,400 veterans on the list waiting to see a primary care doctor. and others are not on any o official wait list al all and it is not come beened to just the hospitals in the phoenix area. in fact, the inspector general thought that some vets are, quote, at risk of being forgotten or lost in this convoluted scheduling process. right after that report was released, more than 30 members of congress quickly called for secretary shinseki to resign.

and a lot of them this time were democrats. it started with senator mark udall and then senator kay hayden denounced shinseki at 2:00. then you could add others to the chorus. five called for him to step down. and, by the way, the five up up for reelection in 2014. there are other candidates, like michelle nunn, rick weland in south dakota, and some democrats been getting pressure in their own districts to do something. >> senator jean shaheen can but

she's done nothing, putting her loyalty to the party and the president ahead of americans. >> as we said yesterday, senator shaheen changed his position but senator mark pryor has not and he's getting hit on the air as well as. >> mark pryor's response to the silence? dram droo company three official himself been called to testify for its 7:30 meet bug the committee members spent most of the time venting, not really listening for answer. >> ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, veterans died. get us the answers, please! >> i understand that, mr. chairman, and i will look -- >> that's what you said three months al.

>> i just come away from this hearing tonight and i get the feeling that no one in the v.a. right now is in a position to do anything. if i did something wrong, if people died, i would be fired and probably court martialed. and that's the nature. business. >> where in the world is the urgency? what do you say tonight? i know what you don't know. what do you know that you can tell the american people that they can learn in two and a half hours of a committee meeting? >> congresswoman, our focus remains on caring for these veterans -- >> if that's the case -- >> can i finish? >> no, because i have five minutes. >> so shinseki, he's not going to go until the white house finds a suitable replacement. they know they look like they've been slow to respond. the last thing they're going to do is leave a void at the top of

the v.a. while they find a replacements. democrats are practically begging the president to do something now and fast. politically they kind of have to. keeping shinseki long term does not appear to be -- someone thatknotha thatknthat knows how to manage a large bureaucracy. that's the type of profile they're looking for. let me bring in the congressman that lead that hearing last night, florida congressman jeff miller, he chairs that committee. congressman, good morning to you, sir. >> good morning, chuck. >> so one thing about last night's hearing that might have been a little frustrating for people to watch is that it seemed to be -- had a lot of outrage there, understandable

outrage from members of congress, but did you feel like you gave enough time to the people that were testifying to give them a chance to explain themselves? >> what i was not going to do was allow people like undersecretary joe mooney to continue to drag out the fact that they will not provide us the information that we have been asking for for years. and that's what you started to launch into, talking about all of the requests for information to come in. i told her, ma'am, people have died. we need to get answers and the american people are demanding it and they're channelling through their members of congress. >> there's no doubt and i get that frustration. but we had that one clip of one member of congress not letting somebody answer their question. so you get the feeling that sometimes it looked almost more like theater than it was as a fact finding mission. and i understand your frustration that you're not getting information you're asking for as far as documents, but sometimes that hearing looked like it was a lot more theater than fact finding. >> well, that's pretty smart for

you to talk about, chuck, you're in the business of theater, my friend. and i will tell you the american people are very, very serious about what's going on. what is going on is dragging and dragging and dragging. finally people have started paying attention. we have been sounding the alarm for a long, long time. and fortunately the media, including yourselves have started focusing on this issue. and last night the department sent three people to our table to talk about how they have complied with a subpoena that was issued bip our committee in a bipartisan way. they have not complied with the subpoena. they would not answer why they haven't given us all the information. and all we're trying to do is point out the fact that we have been asking questions about preventable deaths and delays in care and they will not answer our questions. >> let me ask you this. how do -- i think everybody seems to agree that simply replacing shinseki is not going

to solve the problem. this problem is bureaucratic, it's management, it is the tentacles here particularly in the vha part of the sub agency there at v.a., it is a management consultant's nightmare the more i've looked into this. so what do you do? what do you want to see from the administration beside sort of a change in the leadership? >> well, more than a change in the leadership. what i would have liked to have seen from the president from the very beginning was for him to come out and say any veteran that is on the waiting list can go out and get care in the private sector immediately, not have to wait for a period of time. this is something that they already had the ability to do. they have not been doing what they have the authority to do and the funds to do and i have said this is a lot bigger than secretary shinseki. he is my friend and it pains me greatly to have to call for his resignation because very clearly

he has lost the faith of the american people and without question the people within his own department don't feel comfortable enough to bring information to him. they only give him the good news. there is a lot of bad news out there that he needs to be he heari hearing. >> give me who you would like to see replace shinseki. >> first of all, i don't get the tonight to appoint the next secretary. that's the president's responsibility. but it does need to be somebody who will not take just the words that people give him. he needed to ask his leadership and i've been telling him this for years, your people are not telling you the truth. if they don't tell you the truth, you hold them accountable. >> want to see a bigger personal, almost more oof stale chang than in anything else.

the exact off -- office -- for some reason, somebody has got to get in and make them understand that they answer to the american people. >> that's what i've been hearing from vha in particular, that they have been impossible to manage. thanks for coming on. >> thanks, chuck. >> up got it. up ahead, what's next for edward snowden? >> i miss my family. i miss my home, i miss my colleagues. i miss the work. >> in our nbc news exclusive interview, edward snowden is clearly signaling he wants to come home, but what are the chances of a deal? we'll talk about that next. but coming up, president obama

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after more than a year on the run of sorts or of hiding in plain sight, former nsa contractor edward snowden is coming forward. he said he considers himself a patriot who broke the law in an act of civil disobedience. the man responsible for the biggest intelligence leak in history made one thing clear -- he is looking for a deal.

>> are you looking for clemency or amnesty? would you like to go home? >> i don't think there's ever been any question that i'd like to go home. i said from day one i'm doing this to serve my country. there have been times throughout american history where what is right is now the same as what is legal. sometimes to do the right thing, you have to break a law. >> it's fascinating tracking how people who are watching this interview, they overwhelmingly were commenting at first on snowden's demeanor, observing how come, sometimes calculated, well prepared he came across. some took his demeanor to show he's nothing more than a narcissist. his supporters said it showed he

cares about the u.s. though snowden said he'd like to come home, he is not likely to walk into a jail cell and spend the rest of his life in prison. the law says targeting individuals for surveillance requires a secret court order, snowden claims that doesn't work in practice. >> the problem is that the capabilities themselves are unregulated, uncontrolled and dangerous. >> what can the nsa do with this device in they wanted to get into my life? >> they can turn it into a microphone, they can take pictures from it and take data from it.

>> can anyone turn it on remotely? >> i would say yes. they can absolutely turn it on without the power to the device. that's pretty scary. >> some say if snowden was concerned, he should have filed complaints through proper channels. snowden contends he actually did try to go through some proper channels. >> the nsa has record, they have copies of e-mails to their office of general counsel, to their oversight and compliance folks from me raising concerns about the nsa's interpretations of its loose legal authorities. >> nbc has confirmed he did send at least one e-mail raising questions to a specific policy. and he told brian williams he was frustrated to be in a place

like russia, which has cracked down on a free press. >> i have no relationship with russia at all. i've never met the russian president. i'm not supported by the russian government, i'm not taking money from the russian government. i'm not a spy, which is the real question. >> a lot of people say you've really damaged your country. >> can you show that? i've been asking the united states, the press has been asking the united states government for a year now. if after a year they can't show a single individual who has been harmed in any way by this reporting, is it really so grave? and how much does the governm t government -- former director of the national terror center, disputed some of his key contentions during our special last night on the web. >> if you look at what's come out, how the u.s. intercepts

information for the islamic state of iraq, the terrorist group in iraq and syria, how the u.s. intercepts about the syrian military, about the russian military, how the u.s. protects its spies overseas, i think it's really hard. and i would venture to say imimpossibi have in relationship with the russian government. well, that's just not true. two years living there as ambassador, they do things their own way. they abide by their own rules and their own laws and if they want to give him the ability to fly on to havana, they most certainly could have done that. >> so what do americans think of edward snowden? well, before this interview an nbc news/wall street george poll that we conducted last year, his favorable rating wasn't very

good, only 11% favorable. in january 23% said they supported his actions. last night at a town hall gathering in maryland, it was clear snowden's own word had made an impression but participants were less sure what should be done. >> i think what he did could be viewed as patriotic and i think it is also in direct violation of the espionage act. >> he was in his approach i was not expecting that he had a calm demeanor, could you trust him. it made me look at him personally a little bit different. i still am on the fence about his actions. i still don't feel like it needed to go as far as it did. >> so what's next for snowden? when brian asked why he didn't simply return to the states to face charges, he added the espionage charges do not allow him to make a whistleblower

offense. >> what has been lain against me are extraordinary charges. the espionage act allows anyone charged with it no way to make a defense. you may not be allowed to testify, even fits exculpatory. when people say why don't you go home and face the music? i say you have to understand the music is not an open court and a fair trial. >> the aclu told "the guardian," the only way around this unjust and i think unconstitutional legal regime would be a negotiated settlement that can always be accomplished through -- but unless congress amends the espionage act to take into account its lack of public

interest defense. the united states says clemency, full forgiveness, is a nonstarter. >> thank you for joining me. to go through the charge, he faces a few charges. number one the embezzlement charge, theft of government property, he faces ten years in jail and a fine on that. then there's the charge under unauthorized defense communication. then there's willful communication of classified information to an unauthorized person. he face as maximum of 30 years plus these fines. the issue he seems to have is he doesn't seem to think under he can get a fair public trial. do you agree with him?

>> there's doubt he cannot get a fair trial. whistleblowers were excluded from all -- >> this is important. national security basically has a carve-out that makes whistleblowing almost impossible. >> that's true. in 1978 when they passed the federal whistleblowing law, they carved out national security. it was the biggest mistake because as other institutions and agencies moved forward and developed mechanisms for people to expose wrong doing, national security remained in the old world. so snowden has no rights under those laws. the laws he's been charged with, this is what he's been charged with but if you read the espionage act, they could clearly charge him with other parts of it at any time, which carries the death penalty. using the espionage act against whistleblowers is in our view just so over the top and such a reflection of hostility that it

renders his conduct reasonable. >> so let's talk about the what the negotiation is going to look like with justice. basically what they want to say is clemency's out of the question. he seems to understand that. he himself says is it worth serving some time in jail? he sort of talked about himself a little bit in the third person there. so clearly he's willing to accept some guilt, serve some time. where is the government going to be on this? how is that going to work? >> i think the first step to put in a neutral. if you let the people who has the ainge are toward the whistleblower runs negotiations, it it's not a negotiating climate. that's a big mistake for the government because the government should be interested in a resolution. >> so who is the neutral here? is it a former spo supreme cour

justice? do you have somebody with heft? >> when we done this with the world trade center, oklahoma city, two mediators were appointed and all of the processes were confidential and they all had what you could call deniability. they had no political fallout for the decision. >> so they could have a workable decision. >> it has to start with a mediator or a neutral, who can calmly talk to each side and reach a resolution. and that's where i hope they go. >> and you think that this is going to gain so many momentum now that, this negotiation happens? >> i certainly hope so. i think the position of the government that somehow the current laws protect the national whistleblowers, they don't. they say he has the same rights

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story. >> you summed it up well there. the democrats have long held the cities and it seems to be more of a battleground. the democrats, the cities have expanded. the suburbs have urbanized and we talked about this in the wall street journal. they're much more like cities now. they're much more diverse. but i think one thing being lost in this is they're getting more divorce so they're getting poorers. they're actually not. >> no, they're wealthy. >> they're wealthier. >> you look at chester, burkes -- >> bucks. >> bucks and burkes farther out, much more wealthier in terms of income. >> those cities were wealthy 30 and 40 years ago but wealthy counties 30 and 40 years ago voted republican. now wealthy counties, at least closer to urban areas vote democrat. >> what i see is this urbanization, as places become

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you had a tweet that i thought was particularly revealing when you said texas is just made for the tea party. >> it really is. >> explain what that means, the types of counties that the tea party has had a greater advantage. >> so the tea party has done very well. in 2010 they kind of did well in a lot of republican areas. it looks like so far in 2014 they've done much better in the exurbs. you have dallas, fort worth, san anton antonio, houston. >> but they're not like philadelphia. >> exactly. you have these big city counties and the next county out is not a suburb, it falls into the exurbs. what that means is texas is really made for the tea party. now, there are long-term concerns about what type of --

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in the wake of the president's foreign policy speech at west point yesterday, there's been a lot of talk about the obama doctrine, one that prioritizes diplomacy over military intervention, but in some ways it misses actually the big short-term headline that came out of the address. there's been plenty of hand wringing from democrats and republicans about the lack of a more robust and long-term vision and that the speech was lacking in passion and ambition, but president obama's approach to syria is a notable exception. the administration is now not just admitting that syria is a mess but the u.s. is conceding that the u.s. can no longer stay on the sidelines. >> i will work with congress to ramp up support for those in the syrian opposition who offer the best alternative to terrorists and brutal dictators. >> according to a senior

official, the administration is reviewing a number of options, including the possibility of getting the u.s. military involved in training. the moderate syrian opposition. it's something the administration has argued against for month so what changed? here's what changed. the intelligence community has been beating down the president's door and the west wing's door warning the chaos in syria is turning it into a safe haven for terrorists what the intelligence director said four months ago about the extremists in syria. >> the attraction of these foreign fighters is very, very worrisome. aspirationally, there are aspirations for attacks on the homeland. >> many of the worst actors in syria are technically on the u.s. side of things because they're fighting against bashar al assad. but this isn't about assad or

the president's long-term vision. in could be about stopping a catastrophic attack on the united states. here's what the former director of national counter terrorism center michael lydon told me yesterday about syria. >> we've now let syria go so far down this path of violence and instability that there are no good options and terrorism coming home to root in the u.s. is a possibility. >> joining me is correspondent richard engel. right now he's in moscow, covering our snowden interview. you've been reporting behind the scenes to us internally. you heard what the president said. is this a better late than never moment? how serious is the situation right now in syria? >> i think the situation in syria is incredibly dire.

you heard michael lydon a moment ago saying it's almost as bad as afghanistan before 9/11. i've spoken to many current and former intelligence officials and military officials who say that syria right now is more dangerous to the united states than afghanistan ever was before 9/11. syria is in the heart of the middle east. afghanistan was always far away. it was always a difficult, remote destination. the people of afghanistan don't speak arabic. it was never that appealing of a place for those who wanted to join the jihad movement to go. it was a commitment. you had to do it. syria's close by. it's an arabic-speaking country. it's the heart of middle east. the weather is good. the food's good. it's familiar to everyone in the region. the a much more attractive location physically and symbolically so you have many more foreign fighters going there, setting up camp and almost vacationing there. i've seen some of these foreign

fighters go and then they come back. a lot of them transit through turkey, but not all of them. a lot of them are going through iraq, as well. >> it is a problem waiting to happen. >> okay. so now the president in an interview with pmr yesterday essentially said it's been hard to train the moderate opposition. it's been hard to identify, but now they think they can identify enough and train these folks. i ask you, do you think that's realistic. >> we've heard this before. i'm not sure if i believe it, frankly. i know member of the syrian opposition. i'm in constant contact with them and as of a few days ago they hadn't heard anything. they've heard these promises from the white house before, but -- no. i'm skeptical that this is actually going to happen. come back to me in a month and we'll see if it really happened. i'm not sure. >> richard, i don't know what your next assignment is, but i have a feeling it could be very near that region.

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honestly, the off-season isn't i've got a lot to do. that's why i got my surface. it's great for watching game film and drawing up plays. it's got onenote, so i can stay on top of my to-do list, which has been absolutely absurd since the big game. with skype, it's just really easy to stay in touch with the kids i work with. alright, russell you are good to go! alright, fellas. alright, russ. back to work! quick tickaway, the relationship between the clintons has been rocky since 1992 when he refused to endorse bill clinton, and never mentioning clinton's name. it seems that brown is ready to

maybe bury the hatchet or at least sound like he's supportive of hillary clinton if she runs in 2016. take a look at this interview that he did with "the washington post." he said this, i really believe hillary clinton has the experience and the vast support of democrats in a way i have not seen in my life time. she has this if she upons. is that a brown endorsement? we'll see. it's pretty big. the first major actor who said he's never seen support around a candidate, but if hillary doesn't run, look at this. he isn't ruling out his own run. this is what the 76-year-old runs. would i rule that out? i mean, that would be a little silly, wouldn't it? quite the strong man. if brown were ten years younger, people would be talking him up running in 2016 given the budget mess he solved in california. that's it for this edition of "the daily rundown." up next is chris jansing.

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