spy games. inside the mind of edward snowden. we are hearing from the man who has touched off a debate, patriot or traitor? we have the first broadcast interview. >> i want to ask you about this device. what can the ns ado with this device if they want to get into my life. >> they can turn it into a microphone. take pictures off of it and take the data off of it it. that's pretty scary. >> not one more or the new normal. chicago mayor rahm emanuel among lawmakers pushing to change gun laws as america's latest mass murder collides with america's gun culture. hillary rushes in. her hard choice this time is how to tease her new book, but how much of that is building anticipation about a possible run in 2016? good morning. i'm chris jansing.

opposition is growing to veterans affairs eric shinseki this morning after a damaging new report about the va medical system. in 35 pages, the inspector general found, quote, systemic patient safety issues and possible wrongful deaths at the phoenix va hospital, and at least 1700 veterans were not even on a waiting list and at risk of being forgotten or lost in red tape. white house aides say president obama is sticking with shinseki for now who has been on a kind of probation, but the president's also reportedly reached a point where he doesn't know if shinseki will be able to fix the problems. in a rare nighttime hearing that lasted almost until midnight emotions boiled over as top vshg a executives got an earful from a member of the house veterans affairs committee. >> ma'am, veterans died. get us the answers, please! >> i understand that, mr. chairman, and i will look -- >> that's what you said three

months ago. >> hiding the truth is absolutely unforgivable. >> where in the world is the urgency? >> you are not being forthright in your testimony. >> and now five democratic senators are calling for eric shinse shinseki's firing or resignation. let's bring in perry bacon and usa today washington bureau chief susan paige. welcome to the family. congratulations. we just heard from the veteranses affairs committee and he was on the daily rundown with chuck. let me play what he had to say. >> this is a lot bigger than secretary shinseki. he is my friend and it pains me greatly to have to call for his resignation because very clearly he has lost the faith of the american people and without question, the people within his own department don't feel comfortable enough to bring information to him. they only give him the good news. there is a lot of bad news out there that he needs to be hearing.

>> shinseki himself calls this report the findings reprehensib reprehensible, perry, but can he survive this? >> i don't think so. i think the number of democrat senators, republicans have been criticizing him for a while and we saw five democratic senators and you look at that list of senators and a lot of them are up for reelection in 2014. it is a case when the president stuck with secretary sebellious for a long time despite problems of health care.gov and the difference being one and the politics are that much more sharp and two, we're talking about potential actual deaths from what happened here and the health care website is still here and these problems are much more severe. the politics of this and then there's the reality of what this report showed which is disturbing. there is a discrepancy. and officials claim patient wait times of 24 days and the general inspector found it was 115 days to get a first appointment and almost four months and so you look at these numbers and you say what would be the rationale

for keeping shinseki. >> i think the key word is one you used in the introduction. that was systemic and this was not the case of one place in arizona that was a rogue operation. apparently, these are problems that they're seeing and uncovering it at other vshg a health facilities at a time when general shinseki has been in charge. general shinseki has a lot of support in washington and respect for him and respect for his service, but i agree with perry. it will be hard for him to be seen as a figure who can clean house. >> is part of the hesitation that we've heard suggested is that the president is concerned that if he replaces him it's just going to delay fixing the problem? you have to bring a new person in. this whole thing has to be reconfigured. >> it's more a case of trying to find the right person who sends the right message and ready to go. what the white house does not want to do for general shinseki's resignation and have no one be in charge. it seems that when they've identified someone who is seen

as a good manager who has trust and respect and can move the agency beyond this scandal, i think that's what they're looking for. >> you mentioned, perry, when you looked at the list of democratic senators and some of the folks in the house, these are people maybe in tough reelection races so it's not surprising that this is starting to turn up in campaign ads already. here's one targeting jean shaheen before she called for shinseki's resignation. >> president obama won't hold the va accountable. senator jean shaheen can, but she's done nothing putting her loyalty to her party and the president ahead of america's veterans. >> what are the possible implications for november? >> depends on what happens next. i think if shinseki is replaced by someone pretty quickly in the next week or so and we find these problems are not more isolated in phoenix, that's one issue. if it turns out that we've had these problems in the va all over the country and that will be a very large issue and

something republicans will talk about. we thought this would be an election about health care. this is about health care, too, of course, and the obamacare rollout. this could be the biggest issue of the election if it turns out this is much more systemic because it goes to the case again that president obama said i was a president that was good at governing and be very competent and it suggests in running the va administration he's not been very competent. >> is this an easy one for the republicans or is there a little bit of risk, susan, in that, look, these are veterans who went to war. many of them came back severely injured. this is a very sensitive topic. it's easy to say we need to fix this and nobody will disagree with the premise that something has to happen, but is there a danger of overpoliticizing it? >> i think it's hard to imagine to get too far on the side of veterans on this issue and the the reason this is such a tough issue for the administration and democrats is there is not a partisan divide on this. and it's not like benghazi that you can dismiss that as a

political case or the partisan reaction to the affordable care act and everyone will be appalled by what happened and everyone will be curious about how far reaching it is and managing this very important issue. >> there are two more reports coming out, as well. there's one they think will be put out later this week by shinseki himself and then nabors who is the president's hand-picked person to go and keep an eye on this will have another report in june. it's hard to imagine it will show something vividly different that will change this equation. >> absolutely. the one thing that happens is when there is a new administrator or new cabinet saeshth, people will give that person more of a chance to define themselves and their record, and that will change. a new secretary comes in and comes down on the problems and fires a lot of people and that's what people want to see a lot of accountability down the line. >> is there another fight coming up, susan about money because

this is huge. the va system is huge. the problems are huge and it will cost money to fix it. >> yes, although we don't know to the degree of the funding was the issue in terms of the wrongdoing. maybe it was a big issue or more a case of mismanagement so that will be an important thing. >> were they overloaded? just too many people. >> think of the repercussions of the end of the two long wars in iraq and afghanistan. we will be dealing with this flood of evidence with problems and health issues to be dealt with for decades to come. this is not a problem that we'll fix and move on completely. susan page, perry bacon, thank you so much. checking the news feed this morning. next hour the president turns to the issue of concussions. young athletes, coaches, parents and experts will take part in the first-ever concussion summit at the white house. among those arc tending, the nfl. they've pledged $25 million over the next three years to support youth sports safety. the white house says nearly 250,000 young people go to the e.r. every year with

sports-related brain injuries. later this hour the smithsonian's national portrait gallery in washington, d.c. will install a painting of the late author, poet and civil rights activist maya angelou. it was unveiled in april at a ceremony angelou attended. it will be on display until june 12th. maya angelou passed away in her home at winston salem, north carolina. she was 86. four more of those kidnapped nigerian school girls managed to escape. they've been reunited with their families giving hope to others who want the safe return of more than 200 other girls who were taken by terror group boko haram. nigerian officials have given conflicting reports about lou and why they got away from their kidnappers. it happened weeks ago, but their parents were reluctant to tell authorities. >> all of that searching and now authoritieses believe they were looking for missing malaysia airlines 370 in the wrong place. the underwater sub scoured 330

square miles near where acoustic signals were picked up and found no traces of the plane. australian officials now say an expanded search of more than 21,000 square miles will start in august once private contractors are hired. coming up, the first lady's food fight. how her idea to make school lunches healthier is getting political. but first -- >> a lot of people will say you have badly damaged your country. >> edward snowden's response in his first broadcast interview. that's next. g) hi, uh we need a new family plan. (whispering) how about 10 gigs of data to share and unlimited talk and text. (whispering) oh ten gigs sounds pretty good. (whispering) yeah really good (whispering) yeah and for a family of 4 it's a $160 a month. what! get outta here! (whispering) i'm sorry are we still doing the whisper thing? or? (whispering) o! sorry! yes yes! (whispering) we'll take it. when we arrived at our hotel in new york, the porter was so incredibly

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a new round in the year-long battle between the obama administration and america sa leaker edward snowden. we now have a glimpse into his life and motivations in his own words. he appeared both confident and careful speaking with nbc's

brian williams at a moscow hotel. snowden is currently living under asylum in russia. he says he'd like to come home, but he realizes it's complicated and he insists he's a patriot claiming there's no proof that leaking all of those secrets has hurt anyone. >> a lot of people would say you have badly damaged your country. >> i'd say can you show that? is there any demonstration because i've been asking the united states, the press has been asking the united states government for a year now. if after a year they can't show a single individual who has been harmed in any way by this reporting, is it really so grave? is it really so serious ask can we really trust those claims without scrutinizing them? i would argue that we can't. >> let me bring in diplomatic correspondent for "the washington post," ann girren and william taylor. what was done here is to the u.s. constitution and to the

credibility of the united states, was there damage done besides that? >> well, what snow den is saying here that he did a public, that he's a patriot and he revealed a grave constitutional breach, that the government was going to keep secret. if someone didn't contravene the government to bring it out. he has a lot of support for that, and there is definitely a strain of a sort of a crusader, but you can also hear in his voice a defensiveness. >> yes. >> he knows that he is also portrayed in equal measure as a coward, as a -- absolutely someone who damaged not only the national security, but the reputation of the united states and ought to serve the consequences for that. and -- >> brian williams was very straightforward about this. there have been viewers who have pushed back saying why are you

putting this traitor on television? i guess, ambassador, part of this is all about what's going on with the russian government? he claims he's never met vladimir putin. he certainly has not turned over any secrets or had any debriefings there, but what are the implications for this relationship? is it as simple as this is an opportunity for vladimir putin to poke the u.s. in the eye? >> it's clearly that. it's clearly that. vladimir putin must be loving having snowden in moscow. if snowden has nothing to worry about, if he's indeed a patriot and he hasn't broken any laws then he ought to come home and describe this, but staying in russia really calls into question his motivations. having said that, and i would agree that there's some damage done on that and i think there is damage done to the united states, but if there are changes to our policy on listening in to foreign leaders, that's positive. if there are changes to our policy that provide more

openness, i think that's positive, but he ought to come back and make the case. >> i did think one of the most fascinating parts of the interview is when he was describing how easy it is. he says how easy it is to listen in on conversations to track people just using a cell phone. let me play another little clip. >> as soon as you turn it on, it can be theirs. they can turn it into a microphone and take pictures on it and take the data off of it, but it's important to understand that these things are typically done on a targeted basis. >> so there. he did hake that exception. these things are typically done on a targeted basis and when i heard things like that through the interview, he made it clear he wants to come home. the united states is his home. you wonder if this is part of a plea negotiation. his lawyers and u.s. lawyers have been in touch, but have not started what are officially negotiations. sure. there's a lot going on there.

he's trying to creep you out. look at all of the stuff that the government can do that you don't know. >> you start looking at your phone. >> is it off? are they turning it on, not that there's anything here that anybody would be interested -- >> if he knows how it it works he still has a lot of information that he could potentially use with his lawyers in a plea bargain. all right. i won't -- i won't give up everything i know. i won't keep going on tv and talking about how your cell phone can be used to track your every move if there is some kind of accommodation made. he is going to have to stand trial if he comes back to the united states. there is absolutely going to have to be a public judicial accounting. >> there could be a plea bargain as long as he fesses up and actually makes a public accounting of it. the white house cannot at this point walk away and say, all right. no harm. no foul. we'll -- we'll come up with some kind of quiet agreement.

i mean, they've gone too far. >> it was so interesting, i thought, that president obama goes as presidents do every year to give the commencement address at west point. this had been built as kind of this big speech, laying out the administration's foreign policy for the last couple of years of this administration, but the headline from "the new york times" was, president obama misses a chance to for. inaffairs and here's part of the editorial. the address did not match the hype. it was largely uninspiring, lacked strategic sweep and is unlikely to quiet his detractors on the right or the left. >> i took away that here is a reasonable approach to foreign policy. okay. not a grand sweep, but very practical. there were indications that he is going to provide support to the syrian moderates in opposition. there was an indication, strong support for the ukrainian government. he talked about how he called

the new president poroshenko and that he had brought to bear a lot of pressure on the russians using international organizations, u.n., the g-7, so these kinds of forced multipliers, these kind of mechanisms that allow him to achieve foreign policy goals with leadership, but also by using other people, i think that they laid out a pretty fair case. he, of course, no one wants to be an interventionist in every case and no one wants to be an isolationist in every case. who can disagree with those? he chose the middle. >> the question when you talk about the difference with intervention and trying to avoid foreign entanglements which he clearly said the united states wants to do. how do you make that a coherent outlook post iraq and afghanistan some. >> it's a hard argument to make. it's a fairly simple proposition that you don't want to be either of the two extremes and you want to be something reasonable and

principled in the middle, but that is not a very sexy thing to say and it's a hard thing to apply in specific. what does that mean in syria? okay, so they have a chemical weapons agreement. terrific. no one can argue that the removal of chemical weapons is in the large a good thing, but it hasn't stopped the war. it hasn't appeared to change bashar al assad one bit. it hasn't helped the rebels and it has n done anything that stops people from being killed and if you're the president of the united states you will have a lot of pressure on you to stop people from being killed and he has to figure out how to explain what coming down in the principled middle actually means for instant conflicts. >> ann gearen and ambassador william taylor, thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up, rahm emanuel taking on the nra in chicago and we'll tell you about his plans to keep guns off the streets, plus -- >> i think americans will find in this book, of course, behind

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you posted and this is a continuingly developing story. today the white house will pick up a bill from federal rules that require healthier will school lunches. probonens of the bill say it will give cash-strapped schools more, first lady said it's bad for the kids. they're trying to scale back federal nutrition standards. >> mrs. obama writes, quote, we always put our interests first and our leaders in washington should do the same. the first lady is also making the push with a new psa featuring the seattle seahawks richard sherman. >> richard, take me through your final plate. >> well, let me tell you, we're the best chefs in the became so when you try us with cakes and su su concerning cotash, that's what you will get.

>> not something the first lady to go into partisan politics, but this is something she feels strong about. >> this has been her issue since the beginning, the let's move campaign and it's owe've seen hr wade into the thorny political issue. back in 2012, new federal nutritional standards went into effect in willcools across the country to provide kids with balanced meals that include greens, salads, whole grains, fruits, those types of items. some schools according to critics say that it's been financially difficult to implement these new, tougher standards and they've said that some kids won't eat the school lunches that are being provided so that is why as a part of this appropriations bill, they are considering today and that house committee meeting providing temporary waivers for some

school districts that are financially struggling to implement these new nutritional standards. of course, this is something that the first lady has been fighting for. so she is staunchly opposed to what is proposed in this piece of legislation and here's more from that op-ed that you cited, chris. first lady michelle obama writes some members of the house of representatives are threatening to roll back these standards and lore the quality of food our children get in school. our children deserve so much better than this. it is rare that we see her take direct aim at the republican-led house of representatives. earlier this week she met with nutrition -- school nutrition officials and she also took aim at congress and urged them not to pass this legislation that would give some districts a waiver. so that is basically where the battle lines are being drawn. the house committee taking that piece of legislation up today and the way they think about this is the piece of legislation is really in the early stages of

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we've talked about this a lot on this program. progress has been tough, but some lawmakers are are moving to enact new gun reform measures less than a week after the deadly shooting rampage in isla vista, california. there are new key developments to tell you about. first, rahm earning man well

wants to prohibit gun sales in 99% of the city and all gun sales would have to be videotaped to deter fake i.d.s. in california, lawmakers are proposing a gun violence restraining order that's when family members and friends can alert authorities if someone poses a threat to themselves or other. a judge could then issue an order aimed at stopping that person from buying or possessing a gun. in congress, steny hoyer says top democrats say they're considering abamendment that would impose stricter background checks for gun purposes, a popular move that failed after the newtown massacre. robin kelly of illinois and msnbc contributor and writer and columnist at the grillo goldie taylor. >> congresswoman kelly, this issue hits close to home for you. your city is chicago and one of the most violent in america and you've issued bills to combat gun violence and what's the chance that this background

check amendment gains any traction? >> whenever something happens that brings the issue back to light, but we just have to continue being a voice whether something happens or not. maybe this will push people along, i am not sure, because as you mentioned it did not pass in the senate and i did tell my colleagues with all due respect that i almost did not stand up for the moment of silence with the california legislature because i'm sick of standing up and we stand up and that's all we do and we don't get anything else accomplished. i agree with the young man who died what his father said. not one more, and he doesn't want to hear from politicians. he wants us to do something. >> we were talking about richard martinez. he's the father of isla vista victim christopher martinez and he has emerged as one of these powerful voices. here is what he said about exactly what you just talked about the inaction of legislators after newtown. >> prior to my son being killed

i never gave it -- like everyone else, you know, that's in the beliefs that it can't happen to them. i didn't do anything either. so, you know, i didn't do anything to support the handy hook people and now i'm living with the consequences. >> congresswoman, if nothing happened then, federally, at least after newtown, are we just numb to it now? is what happened in isla vista, the new normal? how do you take an incident like this and mobilize people around it? >> well, congress can't do it arc lo alone. we do need the backing of the public and i deal a lot with my parents who lost folks in the chicagoland area. i hooked them up with the newtown parents. it has to be a force and a major movement and we cannot give up and we cannot wait until incidents happen. we have to keep it in the public forefront every day because in chicago, it seemses like we're losing someone every day or at least people are getting shot. just a couple of weeks ago, we

had a 14-year-old girl kill another 14-year-old girl. >> it's unbelievable, goldie. how do you fight that apathy and is that as big an obstacle who want more laws to curb gun violence as the nra? >> you know, i don't know that the apathy is on behalf of the american people. more than 80% of us do support background checks in closing the gun show loophole and more than 80% of us do support banning these high-capacity magazines and military-style assault rifles so they're not in the hands of civilians. so many of us don't want you to own a tank in your bedroom and so we have to come together to push our congress, to pass common-sense laws. you should not be able to purchase -- >> how do you do that? anyone who is in this fight agrees with you, but how? why hasn't it happened? >> you -- you do that by taking -- you do that by taking the nra on head-on.

you do it mike michael bloomberg is doing, and putting the dollars and feet on the ground in terms of lobbying congress on your side. for too long the nra has gone unanswered and unchecked and it is, and i remember that my aunt shook when my oldest cousin ronny was shot and then his son's son was shot and nobody stood up on their behalf. when we have tragedies like this moving across this country, it's hard to galvanize and check the nra on their own terms right in the halls of congress. >> let's talk about one specific thing that happened -- >> i'm sorry, i spoke over you, congresswoman. stay that again? you need to let your members of congress hear from you if 80% of us feel a certain way then 80% of us need to be contacting congressmen or congresswomen to let them know our feelings that we're watching, that you're watching us and keeping us accountable. >> congresswoman, with all due

respect i agree with that in so many ways and so many of us make ourselves heard and we get a tin ear turned and the the gun owners of america are flooding the halls of congress with money and the primary people don't vote their way with these extreme right-wing candidates so it is up to us to make the voices heard and that is in terms of creating the lobby to get it done and getting our feet on the ground and making change in these elections and bringing people home who don't vote in our best interest. >> i agree. >> there was a moving tribute last night on isla vista beach to honor those killed last weekend. 2,000 university studentses held what they called a paddle out. they used surf boards, boogie boards, rafts and they were chanting in the water and a lot of them posted photos with the #notonemore and the

the #allwomen. >> if congress isn't going to act can social media move this discussion going forward? >> social media has been a strong place where people can put forth, you know, a great deal of passion and advocacy, but that advocacy has to take place off of the networks. we have to make this movement take place on the entire playing field of advocacy. >> and we also have to make sure that people vote. >> we have seen some movement in local and state level. what's the chances that what rahm emanuel is proposing in your city gets through? >> you know, i think that he needs to try everything he can try, and he has, but it's just -- if it's just in the city and it doesn't affect right next door. i live in illinois, but i live 15 minutes from indiana or i live in the county. i don't live in the city and the

whole state doesn't have the same laws it it makes it difficult and that's where the trafficking and the store purchases come in. >> congresswoman robin kelly, goldie taylor. it's great having this conversation with both of you. thank you. checking the news feed this morning. the man accused of killing three people at two kansas city jewish centers is in court this hour. frazier glen cross faces three counts of first-degree murder among other charges. and attorneys in the colorado theater shooting case meet today to discuss jury selection. more than 5,000 potential jurors will get a summons with selection in october. james holmes pled not guilty with reason of insanity killing 12 people and injuring 70 in the july 2012 shooting. >> in the city of memphis there is a backlog of more than 12,000 rape kits and most have yet to be processed. this is a huge problem where tests are done and not processed because there isn't the money to do it. megan evos was sexually

assaulted in 2003 when she was just 16. it took nine years for her rape kit to be tested but when it finally was, it was linked to a serial rapist and he is now spending 178 years behind bars. she talked to msnbc's ronan farrow. >> when you went through that very invasive process. you did it with an expectation, right this. >> i did. of course, i don't think anyone would consent to a procedure done by law enforcement if you didn't have that expectation. you know, why would i give you this evidence if i didn't think you were going to use it? >> memphis mayor a.c. horton will join ronan live to make an exclusive announcement right here on msnbc. apple is shelling out big bucks for the beats. that's the wildly popular headphone maker. morgan brennan is here with what's moving your money. that's a lot of money $3 billion for headphones. what's it all about? >> thanks, chris. it's a little more than just

headphones. apple finally announcing the purchase of beats electronics and at $3 billion, it will be the biggest acquisition apple has ever made. beats has the flashy high-end headphones which did pull in over $1 billion in revenue last year, but this deal is more about the music itself. remember beats also launched a music streaming service in january. it only has 250 paying subscribers, but apple ceo tim cook is saying that he believes it's the first subscription service to, quote, get it right and there's something else apple gets, too, and that's the talent. both beats co-founders hip-hop star dr. dre and record executive jimmy levine will join apple as full-time employees and this makes dre the richest man in hip-hop. >> cnbc's morgan brennan, thank you so much. coming up, what will hillary do? she's talking hard choices and we'll take the debate beyond her book straight ahead. r. try phillips fiber good gummies. r.

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the the recent recession may have hurt more than your wallet. researchers compared hospital patients before and during the country's recent recession and showed a significant increase in heart attacks among women and an increase in atrial fibrillation, a heartbeat problem for both sexes. i really feel that everybody has hard choices in their lives, and some have a lot more than others, to be honest. all kinds of questions. how do you get a good job? how do you keep it? what happens if you lose it? >> and will you run for president? hillary clinton's book tour is ramping up, but the hard choice everyone is talking about is whether or not she's going to run in 2016. the book "hard choices qwe" hit

bookstores tuesday and it pre-sold a billimillion copies d the country. it has clinton hopefuls and critics talking. rick tyler is a republican strategist with the strategy group. it is so rare we are actually here in the same space. obviously, there's one side of this that it could be publicity gold for hillary. all publicity is good publicity and she can shapes the message the way she wants to. "the washington post" looks at the down side. the 18 months before the prime air the gop can begin to check her record and fact-check her claims and shape voters' image of her. do the risks outweigh the benefits potentially here? not at all, even if they can attack her record they can do it anyway. her record was very public from when she was secretary of state and when she was in the senate and first lady in the white house. so there's no hiding her record

at this point. what i think they've done a trick job of and simon schuster's goal to sell books and they've run this and rolled it out like a full-on political campaign and particularly in the beltway, there is no difference in any type of rollout whether you're selling books or trying to get votes. people are people and you have to pitch to them the same way. >> although i think the person who said all publicity is good publicity never ran a campaign. karl rove raised the issue of her health it did not do well. 66% of americans disapprove of that line of attack. are there some areas, rick, where republicans need to be careful that they're not crossing a line where they don't seem to be piling on? >> i think attacking health and age was a bad idea and that was done for mondale and it didn't do well in the debate when he walked right into it. angela is right, we have a record to go on, a long record

and to her credit she's the first lady who became a u.s. senator in her own right, first cabinet member. i think she's hopelessly attached to the obama administration and i think his foreign policy which is what she was in charge of are for more than half ofs his administration could be at best described as confused and pathetically incompetent and we can go down the list of the reasons that is from iran still pursuing nuclear weapons. the supreme leader called for the death and destruction of jihad. >> you blame that on hillary clinton? >> it's not a success, but she had secretary of state, the problem in north korea and no solution to the palestinian -- and the weakness of the united states and its failure to lead always leads to a dark and bloody planet, vladimir putin was i don't mean boldened by the obama administration with hillary clinton in charge. it goes on and on. >> you have not mentioned benghazi. >> oh, i was getting there. >> you have the arab spring and then you have ben gas.

>> and an administration right before this one that can be to blame for a lot of this. this isn't aye an immediate minh station that bubbled up in a new country. >> she does, at least according to politico who talked to insiders and devoted an entire chapt tore benghazi and clinton allies are getting together in d.c. on friday to talk about how to handle her possible testimony again. is this her biggest problem if she runs? >> i think it is a challenge and part of this is what we know in political circles too. democrats struggle with how to message something. it's not that they're substantial errors. they haven't talked about it correctly. the initial debacle was terrible, but it doesn't mean the way in which they handled the eefrl solution was just on them. we know, of course, that embassy security had been, like, woefully underfunded. that is also a republican issue. so some of the things that we do

wrong here in the political space is overpoliticize things that are american issues and we need to stop making them partisan. >> a quote fr by jerry brown who gave an interview to "the washington post," i really believe that hillary clinton has the presence, the experience and the support of the vast majority of democratses in a way that i have not seen in my life time. she saw it when she ran the first time against barack obama. good news or bad news? >> that's what everybody talked about. she was going to be the president and barack obama became the president. i think in a lot of ways if hillary had won and if she had won as a woman the last time which she didn't emphasize the idea of having the first female president. i think if she does run again she will do that, but i'm still skeptical that hillary clinton will run. i think this book could be a chance -- >> really? >> i think that's hopeful

thinking that you all are doing over there. >> there's no one behind her. >> the frustrating thing about the last comment. she didn't run as a woman. she did. that's who she is. you should run as a strong man because the guy standing next to you is not strong. >> no, because we've never had a female president. >> she was clear about that. >> greg tyler and angela rye. thank you to both of you for coming in. >> we'll be right back with our tweet of the day. ♪

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