secretary shinseki does not step down voluntarily, then i call on the president of the united states to relieve him of his duties, fire him. >> funding has not been the issue. a supportive issue has not been the issue. the issue is hands-off leadership. even the secretary's response to the ig investigation today was a failure. >> the va won't tell you the truth. if you're relying solely on the management of these facilities to tell you the truth, you're not going to get it. you're just not going to get it. >> the president is going to have to step up here and show some real leadership. >> we're focused on getting to the root of the problem. and determining the full scope of the problem. so we can get, most importantly, veterans the care that they deserve. and that they need. and that they've earned. >> triage, that is what the white house is trying to execute in the growing va scandal.

it's also what eric shinseki's ordered for the 1,700 vets forgotten in the phoenix va. right now, a big meeting is expected at the va offices in washington, with shinseki, top veterans groups and rob nabors, the man president obama has put in charge of getting to the bottom of the va misconduct. in 5 1/2 years, obama has never fired a cabinet secretary. but pressure is mounting for him to use the ax. the white house says shinseki is on thin ice. republicans john mccain and jeff layton stand by shinseki and now say he's got to go. key committees agree, including the only iraq war veteran. the veteran groups are calling for a successor. all of this after the inspector general said inappropriate scheduling practices are systemic across the entire va system. 42 medical facilities are now under investigation. at the phoenix va, 1,700 vets

are seeking care, were never put on any waiting lists and are at risk of being lost or forgotten in the system. top administrators received bonuses for getting care to them fast. but they said it was all a lie. the average wait time was 24 days in phoenix. while the va reported only 43% of vets waited more than two weeks, the real number was almost double that. shinseki calls the report reprehensible and is now waiting to set things straight. the va previously admitted 23 deaths nationwide were caused by delayed care. let's bring in peter wellton and michael crowley. and congressman, let's start with you. do you think the president should fire shinseki, and when it comes to restructuring the va, how much can the president actually do without getting congressional approval? >> well, you know, i appreciate speaker boehner's re strast on

this call for shinseki to resign. will that help solve the problem. and the answer is not in on that yet. the bottom line here is, we've got a serious problem. and we have a very serious responsibility to the 2.5 million americans who are veterans of iraq and afghanistan. so i'd like to see congress circling the wagons to get to the bottom of this and make sure we provide to the veterans the care they need, and we owe them, rather than have this turn into a political fist fight. >> michael, shinseki stepping down is certainly a signal that things are changing. but it's certainly not the answer. how much can a change in leadership actually change what is going on? >> boy, you know, this is a big intractable problem. it's been going on for about a decade, if not more. and it's just not going to be fixed overnight. but, you know, i've talked to some people, senior in the administration, who say that they really like shinseki.

they thought that he came in doing a pretty good job. we're inclined to, you know, give him the benefit of the doubt but are starting to think maybe he really does bear some personal responsibility. that the system may be screwed up, but that somebody who was driving a little harder, a little better in the day-to-day managerial side would have things in a somewhat better place. but it's an unenviable job. it will be hard to find a successor if they do kick him out. >> congressman, some on the right are using the problems of the va as an excuse to privatize the va. in response to asking whether he supported privatization of the va, he said, i still like the idea, and especially now. do you think privatization is the answer here? >> huge mistake. keep in mind, the veterans by and large, in consumer surveys, are proud of and like the services they get through the

va. we definitely have problems. but the customer satisfaction is pretty solid. we've got some real stresses here. this is where my republican colleagues, they care about the veterans a lot, so do the democrats. and we have to decide, are there calcified bureaucratic traditions in the va that need to be changed. that does require leadership. it may require some congressional flexibility. you saw that in the house where in a big bipartisan vote about firing managers who may not be doing their job. second, there is a resource issue. you know, if you have over 2 million, 2.5 million veterans, and they come home, we have to acknowledge, by the way, both those words were off the books. we didn't pay for them. but we have an obligation to make certain that the costs of the war includes the cost of caring for the warrior. there's a huge resource issue here that i think congress has an obligation to take a look at. >> michael crowley, as the congressman just pointed out, the customer satisfaction rate

for va hospital attendees is higher than for civilian hospital attendees. the fact remains that the va has been working very hard to get this backlog down. they cut the backlog list significantly, by almost half, just in the last year, and at the current rate they say the backlog could vanish by mid-2015. and really, throughout america, we have people waiting to see doctors because we have more people who want to see doctors than we have doctors. obviously, we should have all the respect and care for our veterans in the world. but is this really a problem that exists throughout the health care system, and not just at the va? >> right. it's been interesting to see how this is becoming a little bit of a stocking horse to make this argument about privatization in the health care system generally. they've seen an ideological opportunity here. i would sort of corner this past weekend by -- at a class reunion

by a conservative doctor, who was making the same point to me, that this goes to show that big government can't run anything properly, and you've got to privatize it, outsource it. the idea seems to be kind of catching on and spreading. but i just think that it's -- first of all, that transition is going to be extremely hard to make. you have a massive bureaucracy that is deeply entrenched. to serve the people who need help in the next days, weeks, several months, this is not the way to do it. i guess you can have a debate about the larger long-term picture, but i feel like we've had that debate in this country, and the privatized health care, prif tized everything has not won. >> i want to be clear on the question posed. you are not calling for the resignation of shinseki right now, is that correct? >> that's right. >> building on that, what would have to happen for us to have some accountability? because i get that the president

and this white house are frustrated with a lot of disingenuous calls for a lot of skalps in washington on a lot of trumped up scandals. having said that, in 5 1/2 years we haven't seen a cabinet official go for anything. having followed the news for a while, this would seem to be one of the more serious examples where that should be considered. there's real failures at the va. >> well, there are. and i think number one, what happened. to the extent that there was cooking the books on the wait list, those folks who were responsible for that, they've got to go. and follow that to the chain of command. we just don't know how much the general knew or should have known. so he's obviously not in the clear. but it's a quick fix answer for congress oftentimes to basically call for somebody to be fired. and when we focus on that at the beginning, before we've actually gotten the facts, we bypass our

own responsibility. 2.5 veterans, do they have the resources that they need. that's a question that congress has to ask and answer. secondly, we haven't taken a look at the structural bureaucratic issues in the va that make it kind of a calcified bureaucracy. and there may be adjustments that the administration can make, and that congress can make in order to try to modernize their systems. i think we've got to get to the bottom of that. and that's really primary. you're not going to answer those questions simply by firing the guy at the top at the moment. >> all questions we probably should have been asking well before now. but congressman pete welch, michael crowley, thank you so much for joining us. up next, the white house is now responding to brian williams' interview with leaker edward snowden. plus, part of that interview you have not seen before. we'll play it here first. the last thursday in may. [announcer] if your dog can dream it, purina pro plan can help him achieve it. ♪ driving rock/metal

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course he had just completed. the e-mail did not raise allegations or concerns about wrongdoing or abuse, but posed a legal question that the office of general counsel addressed. there was not additional follow-up noted. >> that's jay carney. snowden said he did more than raise questions. here's a portion of brian williams' interview that hasn't aired in will now. >> the president and others made the point that you should have gone through channels, become a whistleblower, and not pursue the road you did. what's your response? >> so, i would say, i actually did go through channels, and that is documented. the nsa has records, they have copies of e-mails right now to their office of general counsel, to their oversight and compliance folks, from me, raising concerns about the nsa's interpretations of its legal authorities. now, i had raised these complaints not just officially,

in writing, through e-mail, to these offices and these individuals, but to my supervisors, to my colleagues, in more than one office. i did it in hawaii. many of these individuals were shocked by these programs. they had never seen them themselves. and the ones who had went, you know, you're right, these are things that are really concerning. and these aren't things we should be doing. maybe we're going too far here, but if you say something about this, they're going to destroy you. do you know what happens to people who stand up and talk about this? don't rock the boat. it's not worth it. and, you know, that is a compelling argument, because again, here i am, stuck in russia. i can't travel. i left a home and a family in hawaii, you know, a lifestyle, and really, my status, my ability to participate in the american society that i love.

there is a great cost to coming forward with these things. but to say that i'm not a whistleblower, when there were no legal protections at all -- >> because you were a contractor. >> because i was a contractor. if i had been a government employee i would have been covered by these programs to some extent. but there was no protection at all for someone like myself who raised these through proper channels. >> let's spin, watching this interview last night, it was by far the most exhaustive discussion we've seen on tv since he went into exile. people are very interested in edward snowden. is he a good guy, bad guy, or something in between. i look at it a little differently, which is, what can we learn from all this as a country. we care about national security and a lot of us care about civil liberties and privacy. i think there's three questions, was it legal, was it effective, and was it right. two questions can be answered factually, was it legal? no, it wasn't legal. so people who care a great deal about this say, look, he broke

the law. and that's important. was it effective? i think yes. >> you're talking about his revelation. >> yeah, leaking all this information. was it effective? hugely so. we just had a vote in the house for the first time since 9/11 to roll back surveillance powers, and it was a bill sponsored by the author of the patriot act and ultimately endorsed by president obama. we have this huge reaction to these leaks. the third question is the hardest one, we're not going to answer it this second and maybe not for years to come. was it right? i think when you look back throughout history, you see other leakers like elseberg put on trial as a traitor, but as decades passed and we got a fuller view of vietnam, people thought that leak was right. i think the nature of this leak, while unauthorized because it has done so much effectively to rein in aspects of vasurveillan, i think ultimately it was more right than wrong. that's the debate that we're

having. >> he made that very point. he said at the end of the interview last night, sometimes you have to break the law to do the right thing. you make a good point about, we can't forget this guy did break the law. i'm on the side of he needs to come home and face the consequences. ultimately what he did was illegal. my biggest takeaway was, this guy is smart. i think brian williams said he was blindingly smart. his delivery was flawless, the way he told his story. what it did is put a human face on a story we've all been following so closely. despite the headlines. we haven't heard much from him since this all broke. i imagine as we'll start to see polls in the coming days of how people respond to this, just being human, we will likely be more sympathetic to him. and to his story. but there were excerpts we didn't see from last night that i've been reading a little more about, where he talks about what the government actually has access to. he points out they know who you talk to, they know who you love,

they know what you read, they have all the things that can be seized by the government. it made me think about the reality of living in the 21st century. pretty much every big company has the same access. i guess they can't arrest you like the government does, but google, twitter, facebook, all these companies have the same access. to your point, this i think should be a much bigger conversation about what is acceptable. what information do we want companies to accept. we don't have to look at terms and conditions when you get an e-mail or online. if you actually read it, there's a lot of stuff in there that you wouldn't want them to have access to. >> him coming out and speaking this way sort of continues to confuse and cloud the conversation. because edward snowden is not the conversation here. the conversation is, what did the nsa do, what should the nsa have been doing and not doing in the entire intelligence community. when he does this interview, now we have to talk about edward snowden, is he a hero, a traitor, smart or not. i didn't think about anything

that particularly made me think, oh, my gosh, this guy is smart. he made it through a certain level of the intelligence community. >> he was very well spoken, toure. >> a lot of people are well spoken. look, one of the things that bothers me is the idea that he's trying to put forward that putin is not supporting him. and i find that nearly impossible to believe. is he getting a check directly from vladimir putin? probably not. but is there some way that he is benefiting -- that putin is benefiting from him being there? certainly. he's allowed to be in russia and have whatever job he has. because putin wants him to be comfortable in russia. i'm sure there must be some way putin said, yes, we want him around, so make it comfortable. >> putin wants him there to thumb his nose at the west. it suits putin's purposes, how he brought snowden onto his webcast to talk about surveillance in russia. that is all part of the package for putin. on this question of whether or not he's a good guy or a bad

guy, and if that matters, you're absolutely right, it shouldn't matter. the conversation should just be about, these revelations, what do they mean and what are we going to do with them. human beings judged a lot of things, not just based on the facts, but based on whether they trust the person they're getting the information from. snowden showed that personal side of him last night, and made a lot of americans feel a lot more comfortable with him as the messenger, than they did before. should that matter? no. does it matter? i think it does. >> we're too wrapped up in this question of, a lot of people don't like glenn greenwald, or edward snowden. it shouldn't matter. >> it shouldn't matter, but just think of the beer test in presidential politics. do i feel comfortable with this person. would i want to have a beer with them. should that be the end-all deal test in politics? no. >> but human beings are good at judging a person's character on

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author, and you make the case that we are hurting the very people that we sought oh to protect. if we let the free markets do what we do best, we would be ber off. help make your case. >> if you go back to the data of the 1930s, they tell the story, set aside emotion. the unemployment never came down really below 10%. that's awful. the dow, which was the big measure then, did not come back the entire decade. indeed, it didn't come back until 1954. so whatever measures we took in the '30s, they failed. they failed to give us what we call an acceptable economy. on the very humane basis of jobs. and what i did with this book, and what a very brilliant artist did was draw the pictures. so this is a graphic novel, what they call a cartoon history of the 1930s. trying to capture how stimuli don't always work. >> you talk about the data.

i went back and looked at the unemployment data for that era. and starting with the new deal reforms in 1933. unemployment did steadily come down, say for the years of the '37-'38 recession, which there's a debate that said roosevelt pulled back on spending during that era. it looks like if you look at unemployment, if you look at real gdp, those metrics improved during the new deal era. also, if you look at how people felt about roosevelt and the new deal reforms, they elected roosevelt four times, in 1936, the election that's broadly seen as being sort of a referendum on the new deal. he won by a landslide. so it would seem that maybe the new deal didn't get us all the way there, but it certainly was having a major impact. >> well, most of us think recovery is getting back to where we were before. if you buy a stock one day and it goes up a bit, 10%, you made a lot of money. but most of us hold stocks a

long time. so a snapshot of the 10% improvement is nothing if you still don't have a job. most of the time it was over 10%. i think that's the bottom line. emotionally people can like roosevelt. a lot of folks liked that he was a strong leader in world war ii. but the policies of the '30s, let's name a few of those, high minimum wage, certainly generated stronger unemployment. because companies had to pay. and therefore, they didn't re-hire. wonderful new economic work that's come out indeed since i first published "forgotten man" confirms that. the whole new scholarship showing to push the wage up in the '30s. second, there was huge economic uncertainty. one of the gratifying things subsequent to the creation of this idea in this book is now there are uncertainty indices that show when the government is on a rampage, when it has

experimentation as roosevelt did, that has a cost, too. employers can't decide. >> ultimately essentially with world war ii, it really got us back to where we were in terms of unemployment. isn't that basically a massive government stimulus program? >> that's what my mother told me, and your mother told you. newer economic work, since we grew up, suggests that massive spending is like a transfusion with a sick person. in the short term it makes them feel a lot better. but if the disease, the wound is not stenched, you've just made him feel a whole lot better. there's a big argument about that. younger people need to know it. you can pick whatever side you like. but there's a need for exposure of both sides. which is why we undertook this cartoon venture. afterwards you can go back and compare your textbook to that graphic. if you accept just one side it's pretty monolithic right now.

>> let's look at a picture from the book. it's a neat way you guys tell the story. we've got a shot right here we're putting up on the screen. you see the cheers of hurray when you have one of the victories in the supreme court over fdr's new deal. that was an interesting part of the history that you tell. basically you had a skeptical supreme court come in and tell a robust president he shouldn't be federally intervening in the markets and economy. which reminds people a lot of today when you have obamacare being shrunk down to the state level and medicare and other issues. talk to us about that connection, the way the court can come in and really restrict a national agenda? >> what's interesting about that case which is called a.l.a., the nra, which would be the health care, the affordable care act of the '30s, big government new idea, it also involved religion. ala schechter was a kosher butcher. the way it had tension with the

law is they butchered in a slightly different way than the government, the fda at the time, there were different names, wanted from them. that's like hobby lobby. oh, my gosh, all of a sudden all these other areas indicate this. it's interesting, because stories are always shades of gray, it's not black and white. the schechters, these little chicken butchers who are told about in this book and drawn, they liked roosevelt, but they didn't like being prosecuted. they were being prosecuted for violating the law, as hobby lobby is. so they had to fight back. they went to the supreme court. the supreme court found for them. in that case, unanimously. and afterwards, justice brandice went into the cloakroom and took some of the new deal lawyers by the collar, and said, you go back and tell president roosevelt this president of centralizing is over. young men, go home to your little towns and stop hanging around washington. and brandice is not rush limbaugh. >> no, he's not. >> he's considered --

>> abby, that's why we have bagels to this day. >> is that why? >> apparently. >> but the point is, there's a lot to the history. one thing we do know is nobody knows it any more, especially not young people named frankfurt or brandice. so this -- >> understanding our history is really important. >> you don't often have comic books about the great depression. so thank you so much for being here. we appreciate it. up next, from this to this. a new technological revolution is upon us. but this time, will americans be able to stay in the driver's seat? that's next. when jake and i first set out on our own,

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that's the computer's plan. >> our technology is definitely coming a long way since that madman era. have we, from mind bog willing inventions like the new driverless car, to ibm's watson, the super computer, our minds are spinning over all of this new technology that is moving faster than our ability to comprehend it. just like in that mad man scene. what should we brace for this time around? the second machine age work progress and prosperity in a time of brilliant technology gives us a road map to this brave new world. with us now is the book's co-author, eric. thank you for joining us. one of the arguments that you make is that in this second machine age, the technological progress that we're seeing, is

actually driving inequality, bringing some people along with it and leaving others behind. explain that concept. >> sure. well, after the first machine age, the technology is automating a lot tasks that humans used to do. it was mostly muscle power automated of humans and animals. now it's brain power, mental tasks. in many cases, that means that jobs like routine information processing work are being replaced, and the income is being concentrated by a few innovators who invent, say, the next turbo tax and often become very wealthy. it's creating more output and productivity, but it's also shifting around the division of spoils. >> to that point, technology is advancing so quickly, that it's really threatening a number of jobs. companies realize they can do a lot more with less. they'll always take the cheaper option. what technology do you see as potentially being the most disruptive, that we should actually be most concerned

about? >> well, it's really advancing on three different fronts. broadly speaking, i would say machine intelligence is replacing a lot of human labor. some of that is in physical mobility, robots that can do factory work. some of it is in language and speech recognition. most of us now routinely talk to our smartphones and expect them to understand and carry out our instructions. not perfectly, but you can see we're in the middle of a ten-year period where a lot of tasks can now be done by machines. and problem-solving. each of those is affecting different classes of jobs. and ultimately, tens of millions, even hundreds of millions of jobs will be affected. >> moore's law, you talk a lot about in the book, principle that computing power will double every two years. so if we carry that out to the nth degree, soon enough computers will have more brain power, more power than the human brain. and then you're going to get in situations like the movie "her" where we're talking and

interrelating with the computers, and the computers are actually smarter than us. we're trying to keep up with them. the singularity, the idea of integration of computers and the human body, self-aware machines. what does this future look like where we have machines that are smarter than us that can actually operate without us? >> well, we already have machines, of course, that are smarter than us on many dimensions. none of us would want to compete with a happenend-held computer math. the real trick is not to try to race against the machines, putting us against them, but race with machines, find ways we can leverage the technology, build on some of their strengths, to make us more valuable as workers and as human

beings. >> get a little more specific there. how did we take control of our technological future and make sure it doesn't just drive inequality ever and ever greater? >> well, we have to work on the types of skills that we're good at, and machines still today aren't very good at. that involves creativity, and abstract problem solving, unstructured problems. that's why a lot of inventors, entrepreneurs, musicians have done very, very well. another category that's very important, but often underappreciated, is interpersonal relations. most of us wouldn't be very motivated by a robot football coach at halftime. or be comforted by a robot caregiver, or nurse to the same extent we would with a human, or a human sales person that has to negotiate and relate to the customer. these are areas -- >> or pundits for that matter. >> what's that? >> or a human pundit for that matter. that's our job. they're safe for now.

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>> that wasn't a problem? >> no, no, no. and the music is so fun. there's a great hip-hop score to this movie. and like i said, mike tully, thr has just attention to detail. he actually grew up in ocean beach, maryland, going to the beach. so this was kind of like his life. it was like getting plunked into someone else's childhood. these independent movies really are one person's vision. >> that's what i love so much about sundance and the film festivals. you have had such a long and successful career. talk to us about how opportunities change for women as they get older. you see men well into their 50s and 60s that still play the superhero but also the heartthrob. seems challenging for women to do that. >> it is. but thankfully there's cable tv.

that's where women make their living now. i'm on a show called "switched at birth" now and it's a really great, honest show about two kids and a deaf kid. so there's like a lot of opportunities. so i don't feel too bad about that. it was much worse 30 years ago when there were four stations -- >> i've seen so many previews for new shows with well-known actresses that you would normally only see on film -- >> and i get to direct now. >> we touched on some of your greatest hits in "some kind of wonderful." and "red dawn" and "back to the future," but i want to talk about one of your most controversial films that i saw in the theater. roll the clip of "howard the duck."

>> come here, snot nose. that's it, no more mr. nice duck. let the female creature go. every duck's got his limit. and you, scum, have pushed me over the line. >> how do you feel about howard the duck now? >> there are so many fans -- >> i loved it. >> they're all iconoclasts. >> will you read the tease out? >> yes. thank you for having me, ping-pong summer will be in theaters across the country and on video on demand and itunes next friday, june 6th. up next, abby's road to happiness requires your attention. so get whatever tweeting, texting and e-mailing you need to do out of the way in the next three minutes.

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i read that saying and i immediately thought, wow, i hope that's not the case because that would mean life is passing most of us by pretty quickly. are we just bad at managing time or are we squandering our one and only life away to things that we just have to get done? that's the very question that bridget sholte asks in her new book. she joined us and described her life as scattered, fragmented and exhausting. never feeling like you did any one thing particularly well. she says, i felt like the red queen of through the looking glass on speed, running as fast as i could, usually on the fumes of four or five hours of sleep and getting nowhere. we're just like ducks, we try to be calm and serene on the surface but underneath we're paddling like mad just to get through the day. why do we do this to ourselves,

why wake up in the middle of the night in a panic worrying about the things we have to do the next day? and then we finally take that time off, we have no idea what to do with ourselves. it's no surprise that only half of working americans return from vacation feeling rested. 30% say they have trouble coping with work stress while they're away. why put up the "out of office" response anymore? we're going to read the e-mails on the beach either way. and here's the stark reality. when we die, our inbox will still be full, the to-do list will still be there but we will not. i remember the days when technology didn't rule the world. it looks like one of my favorite shows -- >> surprise, we packed this in the car in case of an emergency. >> how's that for a brilliant mother? >> carol, you're a lifesaver. we're starving to death. >> we have cold cuts, cheese and fried chicken. >> everyone sitting down to

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someone you know, can't it wait until tomorrow? that does it for "the cycle." "now with alex wagner" starts right now. a scathing report on the v.a. and a mounting political crisis for the white house. it's thursday, may 29th. and this is "now." >> it's now a question of when, not if shinseki will go. >> calls for eric shinseki to resign. >> it broke late last night. >> democratic senators -- >> have also called for the secretary to step down. >> 42 v.a. hospitals are now under investigation. >> the report also found 1,700 vets -- >> were never even placed on a wait list. >> this is shameful in every way. >> officials from the veterans administration were called before congress for questioning. >> they will not provide us the information that we have been asking for for years. >> this is criminal negligence. >> people have