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he's been in captivity for five years. >> i've been to war. i know something about this. >> this entire thing about gitmo. >> we saw an opportunity and we seized it, i make no apologies. >> the administration briefed members of congress in a classified meeting. >> we saw this as a last best chance to get sergeant bergdahl. >> the right decision for the right reason. >> how much leeway does the executive branch have when it comes to transferring detainees. >> shouldn't be using president ner exchange as a way to close down gitmo. >> it's impossible for them to flow presidenter ier in >> it's impossible for them to flow presidenter ier i >> it's impossible for them to flow presidenter ier in >> it's impossible for them to flow presidenter ier prisoners >> people on our side calling for his impeachment. >> i'm richard wolffe, in for alex wagner. as the uproar continues over the prisoner swap for bowe bergdahl, president obama is doubling down on the deal. at a press conference earlier
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today, the president was asked if he was surprised by the backlash. >> i'm never surpriseded by controversies that are whipped up in washington, all right? that's -- that's par for the course. but i'll repeat what i said two days ago, we have a basic principle -- we do not leave anybody wearing the american uniform behind. we saw an opportunity and we seized it, and i make no apologies for that. >> president's remarks come after administration officials held a classified briefing for the entire senate lift where senators were shown a proof of life video of bergdahl, one that the white house claims raised alarms about his condition several months ago. but not all lawmakers are buying it. >> i don't think from a health standpoint there was any issue that dictated the wry lease of the five, nasty killers in exchange for bergdahl. >> that did not sell me at all.
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proof of life, five months ago december, at that time he was impaired, okay? that is not the person that was released here. he was not in that type of dire situation. >> those are the skeptics of the urgency of bergdahl's rescue. senate majority leader harry reid says matter of his health was ultimately irrelevant. >> let's assume he was in vibrant health and he was faking all of this. he's an american soldier, he's been in captivity for five years. the war's winding down. let's bring him home, we did. >> in a sign of how fraught the release has become, his hometown of hailey, idaho canceled the welcome. the great governor of texas, rick perry, suggested the whole rescue might just be a ruse to give the white house cover on another scandal.
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>> here's the bigger concern for me, and i really would like for somebody to take a look at this and dancer it. was this done to take the v.a. off the front page of the newspapers? this happened all of a sudden it seems like. >> was it indeed. we have reached the point where conspiracy theories meet threats of impeachment. lindsey graham says that will be the result if the president tries to get anyone else out of gitmo. >> there will be people on our side calling for his impeachment, if he did that. there would be people on their side feeling the political ramifications of emptying a jail full of hard and vicious killers. the politics would make it devastating for the democratic party. >> join me now is washington bureau chief of mother jones, dav korn, and the cover piece focus on the controversy of the release of arm sergeant bowe bergdahl. david, you first.
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i think a lot has been lost here in focusing on bergdahl about theically indications of getting anyone out of gitmo. we heard senator graham talking about the threat of impeachment. but these were five detainees among the very first prisoners held in gitmo and the people left, i wonder if we can show the graphic, 149 remaining, 56 have been cleared for release, 33 could face charges, 7 currently facing military commissions, more than 50% of them come from yemen. david, isn't this real story about getting rid of the final prisoners in guantanamo? it's not really about bergdahl at all? >> well, it would be nice if that's what we call talk about rather than have this whipped up scandal as the president calls it, he gets grief for not having shut down gitmo as he vowed to do before elected in 2008. but he has made a pretty good faith effort to do so.
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people in congress, democrats and republicans, time and time again, have put legislation into laws that he felt compelled to sign about bigger matters that have limited the president's ability to find an alternative do gitmo, the united states to shut it down, and everyone now knows they put in this restriction that he can't even move anybody out of gitmo without telling congress first. and so, his hands have been tied. and they been trying to do what they can, the population's less than it used to be, and as you saw in the chart, there are dozens cleared to leave but we can't get other countries to take them. it remains a real big problem. one of the issues, when the bush administration set up gitmo, they never thought about the end game, what do you do with these people? give them 10, 20, 50 years? they didn't give any thought and it's a naughty dilemma left to barack obama that we should try to deal with but we can't in the hot flash explosive scandal controversy of this prisoner
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swap. >> michael, since the story has become about bergdahl, let's look at this great "time" magazine cover, there's a complex picture you paint of bergdahl himself about what his character was, i just want to take a little read from the piece. it says, bergdahl loved motorcycles and sailboats, he tried and failed to join the french foreign legion before enlisting in the u.s. army. a sequence of events, he was looking for an adventure but more than a war, but war is what he's got. we learned today from the "new york times" a classified military report says this wasn't the first time bergdahl had wandered off base. how would you characterize his intentions if at all, based on the reporting that "time" magazine has? >> well, we don't know a lot. what we do know is that he had been reading the koran, for instance, while in that base, he had talked about whether or not he could walk over the mountains to china.
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we know that the evidence shows that he left a lot of things behind when he wandered off base. he didn't go with his body armor, didn't go with a weapon, and no one suggested that he was forced to leave the base. so the assumption here is they left on his own free will. the issue here is the story is full of gray areas. it's not a clear-cut hero story. and that was how the president presented it to the country on saturday. and i think the white house is now suffering from that. you know, one of the points we make in that piece is, there's a price for a president not being fully candid, and the president embraced him, you heard national security adviser rice call him a hero on sunday. we find out, i mean, this wasn't a secret for those of white house had been following this, but the news cycle turned monday when people who served in his unit and had to deal with efforts to rescue him started speaking out about their anger over this situation and the
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white house was caught flatfo flatfooted here. they wanted this to be a cut and dry hero narrative but it's a complicated case because wars are complicated. afghanistan's complicated. none of this is simple and easy but the white house presented it as if it was. >> when he was a clear hero or clear deserter, general stanley mcchrystal, u.s. commander of forces in afghanistan at the time, said we don't leave americans behind. does it matter which one he was? >> i think that principle we don't leave americans behind, everyone will agree with. it's also true we don't pay any price. so the debate is over whether the price was too high, both in the way obama went about this by using his article to authority and ignoring a clear law of congress, or by releasing five detainees, in time we've reported that there were a number of people against releasing these people because of secret and top secret intelligence, suggesting they could be a danger in the future.
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we'll find out in several years what became of these people. but it wasn't as if these were five taliban leaders who there were no concerns about. there were significant concerns about and that's where the debate is. >> what's interesting, richard, all good points that michael brings up, particularly this in is a nuance case. it was a nuanced decision to make the trade under the circumstances. we don't know the details about what happens to the five. but the thing is the political world sort of hounds this as a black and white thing. either a great decision or it was the worst decision. i mean it was a hard decision, maybe a 55/45 call, whatever, but the way it gets discussed in the current political environment in which we live it has to be the worst thing ever. even worse than benghazi for some on the right, talking about impeachment. there's no such thing as honest disagreement. i would have done this differently for these reasons. it's this was bad, done for
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worst of reasons, according to the president's critics. so, yes, very complicated, difficult, hard call but we can't process that politically. >> briefly, though, if that was a difficult decision, how hard was it a decision for members of congress who deleted tweets that were praising the release of sergeant bergdahl? >> that was easy. >> that was an easy one. >> michael? >> easy, and until they realized people logging tweets and you don't delete anything for real. i'm sure a number of candidates and members would rather not have deleted it now. it's bettor have praised the fact than looking like you're trying to cover up your tracks. >> they feel happy they deleted. >> senator mccain, said in february, it maybe would be a good thing to trade the prisoner and now hel no. >> you can cut -- these negotiations, something that's lost here, talks about been go on between the white house and
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congress what to do about brnl, what trades should be put in place, what the conditions should be for years. this has not been something in the press much. "time" one of the few magazines that wrote about bergdahl over the last three years and we did that when the government was saying, for lots of reasons we shouldn't be writing about this case but decided it was important enough to write about it. mccain has been in favor and has been on the record being in favor or of following the principle, we don't leave americans behind, what mccain is disagreeing with now i this question of whether five people were worth the price. and -- >> we'll have to wrap it there. thank you for your reporting. after the break, today, president obama met with top european allies at the g-7 but much of the talk was about the very large elephant or bear that wasn't in the room. ambassador michael mcfall discuss putin's place at the table next on "now." (mother vo) when i was pregnant...
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washington wasn't the only town putting pressure on the president today. this morning, president obama was in brus sesels for a gm-7 conference but everybody's mine was on the man not invited to the party, russian president vladimir putin. >> our summit was supposed to be in sochi but after russia's acts in ukraine our nations united quickly around a common strategy. we suspended russia from the g-8 and canceled the sochi meeting. >> at urging of the white house, the meeting was the first without russia in 17 years.
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now on the surface, the newly reform g-7 seemed to be on the same page regarding the ongoing crisis in ukraine. >> our nations continue to stand united in our support and assistance to the ukrainian people and the g-7 summit was an occasion for me, david, and our fellow leaders to ensure we're in lock step going forward. >> nay joint statement, the leaders said they were, i quote, ready to intensify targeted sanctions and implement significant, additional restrictive measures to impose further cost on russia, should events so require. what the events would be is anybody's guess. despite pressure from the u.s., the countries couldn't agree on what, if anything, would trigger additional penalties for putin. though he may not have been invited, that didn't stop some european leaders from making their own dinner plans with the leader. head of states of britain, germany, scheduled visit is with
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putin who is in paris for tomorrow's commemoration of the d-day landings in normandy. joining me is michael mcfall. ambassador, thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> so, we're in a situation where the white house has pushed hard to ramp up the sanctions, to have a threat of sanctions that was pretty explicit. wasn't the president undermined by his own european allies? >> well, no, i don't think so. i think this was a success that they hthe g-7, first time in 17 years and you have to go back, they first invited mckale gorbachev in 1991 though he wasn't a member. this is an unprecedented event. second, they actually changed the terms of future sanctions. a few weeks ago it was if he disrupts the elections, the ukrainian elections, there will be new sanctions.
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putin didn't do that, that was a success. and now they've changed it to say if the status quo continues, there will be new sanctions. that's different. before it was putin had to do something new, now the status quo is enough. what's not clear, you said, what exactly is the definition of continuing to disrupt ukrainian sovereignty. >> what's the value of a d disinvitation if other leaders make their own invitations on the site? you've been in moscow, you know how hard politics are in the way putin's administration likes to play it. do you think he's going to take these kind of semantics seriously? >> he does take it seriously. i sound the grounds in sochi where they were planning to the g-8 summit. russia fought hard to get into the g-8. 2006 when president putin hosted it in st. petersburg, it was a major event, recognition he's
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one of the leaders of the g-8. i think it is significant. having said that, you also see a real nervousness among our european allies of going too far, they want to continue to talk, they want to engage with putin, as the plans for dinner tonight demonstrates. >> so, i want to show briefly in the time we have, maybe this explains the european position, if you look how much europe depends on russianing in, 30% of germany's energy comes from russia, 28% for italy, 17 first for france, isn't in is what lies behind the attitudes here. >> absolutely right. symmetry involved in punishing russia is greater for the europe than the united states. let's give between western and eastern europe. eastern european leaders who met with obama in poland want him to do more.
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those in dg-7 last night wanted him to do less. >> thank you for joining us. joining me, former uk member of parliament, cameron's conservative party, thank you for being here there thank you for having me. >> tell us about cameron's position when it comes to rub shah. there's a reliance on russian energy. lots of russian money in london. does he really stand shoulder to shoulder with the president when it comes to these sanctions. >> he's half and half shoulder with the president. britain has just discovered an enormous amount of gas reserves, fracking gas reserves around the south of england. we're looking to open that market in the future to be germany's supplier. cameron did meet privately with vladimir putin but said he told him off stern language. >> think he was worried about that. >> that's a diplomatic balancing act. i don't think putin enjoyed
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being lectured by cameron. it's a bit of a step down. but equally, cameron has to be weary of seen to be the president's lap dog and do the president's bidding. he needs his own poly. >> i dmoents on't know if you he conference today. cameron's facing this challenge on the right from the uk independents party wanting to pull out of europe. obama today, play the sound about what he said about how he thinks britain should be in europe. can we play that? >> it's also hard for me to imagine it would be advantageous for great britain to be excluded from political decisions that have an enormous impact on its economic and political life. >> this is in brussels, where the prime minister who is saying we're going have a referendum whether to stay in europe, that's not helpful to cameron, is it? >> i think it is helpful.
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cameron's position, we'll ask for a better deal, then a referendum, i'm going to campaign to stay in. insofar obama is liked that helps cameron. what your clip didn't show was there's a referendum in britain for scotland to break way from the uk and become independent country and obama weighed in there, saying scotland should stay with the uk, something cameron asked him to say. there's a backlash at home, a keep your nose out of our hagous. i think it's more helpful than not as an intervention. >> the president could have a positive -- >> the scots are coming back, they love obama. they making their internet meeting saying yes we can vote for independent.
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it's a double-edged sword, but at same time he's got to be seen not to interfere. >> i thoi how to the g- 7 politics were complicated. thank you. coming up, tomorrow marks 70 anniversary of d-day. what president obama will honor thousands of brave allied soldiers who liberated europe. andrea mitchell live from normandy with a preview. ering) a new family plan. (whispering) how about 10 gigs of data to share and unlimited talk and text. (whispering) oh ten gigs sounds pretty good. (whispering) yeah really good (whispering) yeah and for a family of 4 it's a $160 a month. what! get outta here! (whispering) i'm sorry are we still doing the whisper thing? or? (whispering) o! sorry! yes yes! (whispering) we'll take it. ugh. heartburn. did someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and taste better
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succeeding waves of men pour in. commanders ready to right off omaha has atotal failure say it's a miracle. >> veterans make their way to france for 70th anniversary of the battle of normandy, or d-day, 156,000 allied troops descended on the french coast to deliberate europe from the nazis. 9,000 allied soldiers wounded or killed that day, june 6, 1944. the largest amphibious attack in history. that day, general dwight d. eisenhower broadcast this message to the people of western europe. >> people of western europe, the hour of your liberation is approaching. all patriots, men and women, young and old, have a part to play in the achievement of final victory. this landing is but the opening face of the campaign in western europe. great battles lie ahead.
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i call upon all who love freedom to stand with us now. keep your faith staunch. our arms are resolute. together we shall achieve victory. >> i get chills when i hear that. joining me from the normandy -- from normandy, nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent and host of msnbc andrea mitchell reports. how is it over there? >> well it is -- it's awe-inspiring to be here, talk to veterans, to of course be here surrounded by heroes who did not make it past the beach. we have more than 9,000 graves behind me in the american cemetery. tomorrow the world leaders will gather here. i'm touched more by the veterans return, many knowing it's the last time, the dwindling number of veterans, all in their 90s, who had such bravery and several of them did parachuting --
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parachuted in again today as they did 70 years ago, they were 93 and 96, extraordinary. >> it is extraordinary. you were there for the 40th anniversary when president reagan spoke, there for the 50th when president clinton spoke. what tone does president obama have to strike? >> the bar is high. he is very much focused on ukraine and on trying to elevate the new leader, the acting president of ukraine, having just come from the g-7 meeting and from warsaw where he gave a significant speech, trying to reassure nervous central europeans that america will stand with them. at the same time, he then goes to brussels and the g-7, nervous western european allies very concerned that america's being too aggressive and tooe adversarial with vladimir putin who they have extensive business dealings, energy, arms and finance. he's caught between -- and tomorrow he's going to be a little uncomfortable because of
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putin's presence -- as you know tonight in paris president elon is having supper, as they say, after dinner with president obama, having supper with putin. two meals and a little bit of indigestion for american diplomacy. >> no question. if tomorrow can do anything, i think it's one statistic, less than 50% of people under 35 have ever heard of the holocaust. surely this day tomorrow should at least help educate a new generation about these events, remarkable events from so many days ago. >> in fact, i was privileged to be today with a veteran named andy anderson who landed in omaha. the college of the ozarks, sending college students with veterans to share experiences and to better understand firsthand from those who were there, what it was like. and as one of the young men said to me, you know, i can read it
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in history books and watch the movies but until i met andy, i didn't really understand it. >> thank you very much for joining us at this late hour in normandy. catch andrea weekdays noon, right here on msnbc. just ahead -- forget benghazi. latest fringe conspiracy theory is walker gate. "the washington post" jonathan capehart weigh in on the right's new obsession, all hillary, all the time. [ female announcer ] for a brilliant smile there's a breakthrough in whitening. from crest 3d white, new brilliance toothpaste and boost. after brushing, our exclusive boost polishes your smile and whitens with 3x the stain lifting ingredient for a smile that dazzles. new crest 3d white brilliance.
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theorists everywhere. turns out it was a lawn chair. drudge later claire fid but only after the hypothetical was given oxygen by respectable mainstream outlets like the "wall street journal," the controversy quickly gave way to parody. the "new york" magazine's hillary leaning on things showed the former secretary of state propped up by assortment of chairs, lecterns, desks, stairs, in need of support. the latest installment in the is hillary too old to be president smear campaign followed karl rove's comments last month, suggesting the former secretary of state was suffering from the lingering effects of brain damage from a fall at her home in 2012. an attack which seemed to have boosted rather than diminished the former first lady ahead of her book rollout next week. joining me now, senior white house correspondent from the hill and co-author of "hrc state
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secrets and the rebirth of hillary rodham clinton" and analyst jonathan capehart. i want to begin with this, don't these stories and smears and suggestions, karl rove's comments don't they help clinton rather than hurt her? >> i think they done the outside group, like you saw, correct the record, all running with it now. everyone wants to focus on her health, on the past, no one wants to focus on the issues. and i think they kind of do boost her. they -- these are sort of silly little arguments, no one's talking about the issues, people focused on walkergate. they do help her case in a way. >> so if they want to play small ball, they're playing with the wrong person. jonathan, i'd like you to help me out here when you look at the main challenge, this idea of karl rove's idea that the concussion, head injury, take a listen -- i'm going to read here -- her response in "people"
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magazine to this idea that she has a brain concussion, because it's such an unbelievably skilled response the way she has done it. we should break down what she said and what she means. so, tell me if i've got this interpretation wrong. line one, the question of whether she has a concussion, whether it's still affects her, at the inauguration for president obama's second term, i was standing with paul ryan, so the translation here is, i'm an obama supporter but i know real conservatives, in fact i can work with the other side of the aisle, right, jonathan? >> uh-huh, right. >> second line, i said, congressman, i read that you're a great athlete. have you ever had a concussion? oh, yeah, three at least. no one's questioning -- this is really the translation -- no one's questioning paul ryan's health when he ran for vp, why are you questioning me, right? >> exactly. >> two sentences, two punches. third line, i said, whether they serious? he said, one was really serious.
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i'm so grateful to my mother because she said you're grounded, you're going to rest until it goes away, and she did. a mother story. did i mention i'm going to be a grandmother soon? three lines. poetry, fourth line. we haven't taken it seriously for athletes, soldiers, accident victims, people have basically been told to shake it off. this isn't about hillary, is it it's about the american people. four lines into the response. finally, fifth line, i could have shaken it off, but what cost? i rested, went back to work after the first year. i'm conscious how people don't get their care. a master at work. she is already gone from a personal injury to working with the outside and now talking about hillary care and obamacare. >> exactly. this is what good politicians do, they take something that people are trying to turn into a negative and turn it around into
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something pottive. i mean, yeah, she fell, she had a concussion, she was out, you know, convalescing at home but jumped back in went back to work. but what she's telling you, analyzed expertly richard, she learned some things through the experience. all of the stuff, controversies surrounding hillary clinton they don't have anything to do with hillary clinton. they have everything to do with the fact that republicans are deathly afraid of her getting into the presidential race and anything that they can do right now to diminish her, belittle her, to weaken her in the eyes of the american people, they're going to try it. and one of the reaps why these controversies fall apart is because with each one, one is more ridiculous than the one that preceded it. >> right. >> the idea that she's holding up a walker in that picture given all of the people around hillary clinton, do you think they would allow that to even be
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photographed? >> exactly. they're masterful. they're professionals. they'd never allow that to happen. >> think of the skillful the response is on the concussion question, hillary clinton needs the political skills is this bergdahl question. she's been threading this needle very carefully on not breaking away from obama but letting it be known, look at what the "wall street journal" has put out here. hillary clinton takes a cautious stance amid bergdahl backlash. she's trying to -- her surrogates are suggesting distance on this bergdahl question, right? >> yes. as soon as the campaign starts, if a campaign starts you'll see more distance and more daylight. they're trying to say president obama and secretary clinton are the same thing because they have to say that. she was part of his administration. but i think, you know as she defines her candidacy, she's going to have separate herself and define herself more and say this is what i was for and maybe
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this is a little bit different than what president obama stood for. >> it so happened a daily beast story, quoting three former officials, she was a skeptic about bergdahl all along. whatever the republicans think they're running against here, it doesn't seem to be that she's got brain injuries. this is skillful politics. jonathan, i want to ask you about president putin weighing in on this. he had some choice comments about how it's better not to argue with women. he suggests that mrs. clinton has never been too graceful in her statements, but when people push boundaries into far, it's not because they're strong it's because they're too weak. does it help hillary clinton to are president putin lob these grenades at her? >> absolutely. i mean, yes. yes. it helps -- it helps hillary clinton to have the leader of russia, a guy who rides bare back on horses and wrestles
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bears and plays hockey to show how manly he is, to have someone like that attacking her. if n. a fight between vladimir putin and hillary clinton all of my money is on hillary clinton. >> that's pretty wise money. amy and jonathan, thank you very much. >> thank you. after the break, a major toymaker tries to break down the barriers of gender inequality one block at a time. details next. i can pay my bill. tap it here, digital insurance id card. and tap it here, boom, roadside assistance. on'tday ooklay, it's axwellmay. the igpay? otallytay. take an icturepay! onephay, onephay! really, pig latin? [ male announcer ] geico. anywhere, anytime. just an aptay away on the geico appay. (music)
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2010 was the hottest decade in u.s. history. half of the country and 100% of california are in drought. wildfires used to have a season. now the season appears to last all year. the evidence of climate change is all around us. but the best evidence of climate change is actually at 19,000 feet in the frozen ice that lies at top of a glaze sure in the chilean andys. the finale of "years of living dangerously" the biologists travel these 19,000 feet to measure just how abruptly our climate is changing. >> ever see raiders of the lost arc, the big ball's rolling after him? i felt that much peril. >> this is why people study coral reefs. >> good point. >> at this altitude, so little oxygen i'm finding it hard to
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think straight. >> my god. >> but for paul, this is when the real begins. >> correspondent with years of living dangerous, dr. sangin. >> thank you. >> you took this extraordinary journey and risks to the get to the top of the glaze sure, the volcano? >> right. >> what did scientists learn? >> it turns out ice traps the atmosphere. take an ice cube out of the freezer, you see the tiny bubbles. same thing with a glacier. if you extract that little bit of air you get a window into the past, the deeper you drill, the further back in time you can go. >> and is it right that you had to climb higher because the climate has changed, the ice just isn't in the same altitude as it was before? >> even this glacier we went to on a huge volcano, the border of
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chile and argentina, this glaze sure's receding. we had to go over the lip of a volcano and descending into it and there's a giant, giant chunk of ice. >> this wasn't just for tv. climate scientists are gaining data from this height? >> yeah. i was with an ice scientist. he goes to the end of the earth to collect data. er i did get to live a few dangerous weeks with him. >> this is msnbc. i cannot have this discussion without raising the issue of certain skeptics about climate science. >> yeah. >> who say it's not subtle. senator inhofe says about the epa rule, the rule's about pushing a green agenda that has been dreamed up by the environmentalist community for decades. there is an impact of man-made behavior on the climate. do you think there's any scientistic data about that?
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>> i don't think any doubt that human are contributing to climate change and frankly, that's the only part that we can alter. we know natural events contribute to climate change but things like volcanos we have no way of controlling those things but we can control what quee do. emissions, refor estation programs, efficiencies, all of those things are things that we can do. >> the president announced this rule on carbon emissions, the 30% cut obviously we can argue about what the baseline was. but really when you look at the glacier that you climbed, the irm packs you've seen firsthand will the dramatic political actions have an affect on the glacier? will it affect any part of the climate or is this about stopping the damage here and now? >> we are going to be living with the changing climate because of human activity. there's no doubt about it. adaptation and how we deal with it is an important part of.
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but there's no reason not to also slow the train down because we really do dramatically change the profile of a planet that our children are going to be living on. the nice thing about political actions, one of the interesting thing there's a domino effect. china is making encouraging noises about taking a proactive stance on emissions. so i'm feeling optimistic right now that we are now moving beyond is it happening or not, we know it's happening, it's happening to real people in america, in the heartland. great thing about the show we go to the southwest, not just to far away places. we go to america. it's happening right here, right now, so the time to take action is now. >> briefly, you're a biologist by training. are we seeing wildlife adapt quicker than we are? >> we are seeing wildlife absolutely adapt and wildlife being pushed out of the margins. but the great thing i want people to take way from the film, the face of climate change noise longer the polar bear.
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the face of climate change should be us. >> thank you for your time and this show, season finale of "years of living dangerously," thank you for coming in. just ahead, republicans may have restrictive voter repression laws but democrats have a new weapon of their own to deploy at the polls. ups is a global company, but most of our employees live in the same communities that we serve. people here know that our operations have an impact locally. we're using more natural gas vehicles than ever before. the trucks are reliable, that's good for business. but they also reduce emissions, and that's good for everyone. it makes me feel very good about the future of our company. ♪ [ ding dong ] [ male announcer ] aarp members get a lot. like discounts on gifts from 1-800-flowers.com... oh... [ male announcer ] savings on roadside assistance from allstate,
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today, democrats unveiled a new weapon for the 2014 election. zack roth writes on msnbc.com about the arbor project, a program launched by the dnc to sign up more people to vote by identifying neighborhoods with unregistered citizens. bringing new voters into the process. the new tool is designed to give voice to more american citizens, comes as republican efforts to silence voters could not be clearer. meet willie mims, a 93-year-old
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alabama resident who is the latest victim of voter suppression efforts. >> when did you first vote? >> i first voted way back in world war ii. >> today, you didn't get a chance to vote. >> no. i didn't get a chance to vote. i went down there, though. i went down there, and they told me i had to get my -- something with my name on it. >> willie no longer has a driver's license and no other form of i.d. and therefore, because of a new state voter i.d. law passed by alabama republicans, he no longer had a vote in tuesday's primary. for the first time since world war ii, he was turned away from the polls. at the same time, as this show reported yesterday, alabama republicans are offering $1,000 for evidence of voter fraud to try and justify their new law.
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while republicans search for a reason to disenfranchise voter likes willie mims, democrats are fighting to ensure more americans are heard. you can read more about the dnc's project on msnbc.com. that's all for now. i'll see you back here tomorrow 4:00 p.m. eastern. "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show." live from detroit lakes, minnesota, i'm ready to go. let's get to work! >> their son bowe is coming home. >> i'd like to say to bowe right now who is having trouble speaking english i'm your father, bowe. >> my guess is that prisoner's dad will not go unremarked on. >> the reason i said that robert bergdahl looked like a muslim is that he looks look a muslim.
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