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while republicans search for a reason to disenfranchise voter likes willie mims, democrats are fighting to ensure more americans are heard. you can read more about the dnc's project on msnbc.com. that's all for now. i'll see you back here tomorrow 4:00 p.m. eastern. "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show." live from detroit lakes, minnesota, i'm ready to go. let's get to work! >> their son bowe is coming home. >> i'd like to say to bowe right now who is having trouble speaking english i'm your father, bowe. >> my guess is that prisoner's dad will not go unremarked on. >> the reason i said that robert bergdahl looked like a muslim is that he looks look a muslim. >> don't criticize the parents.
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>> you don't have to look like a member of the taliban. are you out of razors? >> the man shows up at white house looking like a muslim. he speaks pashto, thanks allah. >> that got ugly fast. >> declaring the muslim victory call. >> his dad was no prized possession. >> this father and this son, they worsened -- >> don't criticize the parents. >> reportedly grew a beard in an effort to win sympathy to the son's captors. >> if you gave him a bandanna and a duck, you'd like him just [ bleep ] fine! >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. why the family? why has the family become the target of this entire ordeal? well, a couple of nights ago on the broadcast i said that, well, republicans really have no boundaries. and they have proven it again and again. just when you think republicans can't sink any lower, they do.
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attacking sergeant bowe bergdahl isn't cutting it anymore. they want more. now republicans are going after this dad, his father, bob bergdahl. these guys are ruthless. they have no boundaries. republicans have made bob bergdahl a tool in their toolbox to take down president obama. they'll try anything. they don't like the way he looks. they don't like the way they talks. they don't like what comes out of his mouth. they can't stand the fact that bob bergdahl doesn't hate muslims. last night shawn handty wasted no time jabbing the father of a p.o.w. >> bob bergdahl, the father of freed taliban captive sergeant bowe bergdahl, he caused a firestorm of controversy when he spoke in arabic at a press conference with president obama on saturday. the phrase translates to, quote, in the name of allah, the merciful and compassionate. bob bergdahl who learned arabic and pashto reportedly grew a beard in an effort to win
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sympathy from his son's captors. >> i thought this was the united states of america, freedom of speech, freedom of religion. bill o'reilly couldn't resist hitting bergdahl's father. o'reilly said bob bergdahl has ignited controversy for looking like a muslim. >> but it is robert bergdahl, the father, who is also engendering controversy. he has learned to speak pashto, language of the taliban, and looks like a muslim. he's also sympathetic to islam, thanking allah right in front of the president. >> minnesota congressman keith ellison, you've got to grow a beard because you're muslim. bob bergdahl grew his beard to show support for his son. think about that, he grew a beard to show support for his son. it's kind of like families when they shave their head when someone has cancer.
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learning to speak another language and being mindful of islam is nothing that should spark any type of controversy. but, of course, we live in a world of hate, do we not? if your kid was captured, wouldn't you want to know everything you possibly could about the people holding your son or daughter? meanwhile, the kids on the couch had to weigh in, too. >> sergeant bergdahl's father who in the rose garden the past weekend has made some anti-american tweets and statements. one of which was, i'm working to free all of the gitmo prisoners. god will repay death of every afghan child. really? he say his was growing his beard because his son was -- because his son was in captivity. your son's out now. you no longer want to look like a member of the taliban, you don't have to look like a member of the taliban. are you out of razors? >> what do you think? are there any other americans
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across this great country that would like to see some resolution with detainees in guantanamo bay? really, anybody? anybody want to see habeas corpus see some process here? i want to address these tweets from bergdahl's father. what did you expect the guy to do, trash the taliban while they're holding his kid? clearly his tweets were an attempt to make the situation better for his son, sending the mess thank my son's not the problem. as far as the beard is concerned, i seem to remember some fox and friends favorites who were out of razors at one time. >> close-knit family charmed america and turned duck dynasty into a fen nam none. >> willie, sy with his famous teacup. >> and best-selling book. >> and jep robertton joining us live. good morning. >> do you want to be stuffed by the taxi determinist to be a
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redneck statue? >> i don't know about you, but that guy in the middle there, he really looked like a taliban member, didn't he? quite the double standard from the kids on the curvy couch. i'll tell you why republicans are attacking bob bergdahl. they don't care if his kid was in captivity. he stood next to the president of the united states at a time when the president of the united states, barack obama, did something great for a family. it's an easy target to go av muslim sympathizer with a beard standing next to president obama. bob bergdahl did absolutely nothing to become a target of the right wing and right wing commentators and a network encompassing all of that. now, the only thing that matters, really, is what his son did. the fact is, we really don't know what happened to sergeant bergdahl. republicans are criticizing bergdahl for deserting his post and saying he went awol. pure speculation. no proof whatsoever.
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media reports that could easily be inaccurate. they have absolutely no knowledge of what actually happened when he was captured or if he went awol. since when did we have so many members of congress become military experts, having no experience or time in the military at all? if bergdahl did go awol, if he did, let me ask you the question tonight, do you think that military -- do you think the brass is going to be able to come to the conclusion about what happened? the military's going to take care of this, regardless, regard office all of that, an american soldier, bergdahl, deserves to come home, even general stanley mcchrystal, who we know is not a big obama fan, said we should not be judging the soldier. >> i think we're going to have to wait and talk to sergeant bergdahl and get his side of the story. one of great things about america we should not judge until we know the facts. and after we know the facts, then we should make a mature
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judgment how to thanl. >> handle it. members of congress do not think the brass can take care of this. for congress to suggest they know more than the military brass is an outrage. it's an insult. republicans they're not supporting the troops. they're attacking the troops. they think our generals are idiots and can't figure out what happened to this guy and they don't want to give him time to do it because they hate obama so much. republicans are disenginesoudis. one person supporting the troops, president obama. he is standing behind his decision. >> i make absolutely no apologies for making sure that we get back a young man to his parents and that the american people understand that this is somebody's child and that we
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don't condition whether or not we make effort to try to get them back. >> the republican hatred for president obama has reached a new level with the story. they have now turned their hatred and attacking members of a military family, members of family that for the last five years have probably been anguished over not knowing, is their son alive, how's he being treated? is he sick? have they alreadier to ture him and is he dead and we don't know it yet? they'll do anything to tarnish president obama. this is as low as it gets. never a story as low as this one when it comes to the republican movement in the country trying to take down the president. they will use a family, they will use a soldier, they are using the bergdahls right now. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. is it fair for republicans to attack sergeant bowe bergdahl's father? text a for yes, b for no, 67622
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go to ed.msnbc.com. we'll bring you results later in the show. one of the things that i find astounding and stunning in this story the callousness of right wing that they think that the family members haven't had any anguish whatsoever in the days of his captivity, he'll make it he's in there with the taliban, they'll take good care of him. what do they think it's like? no compassion whatsoever. no insight on exactly what the family could be going through. for more, let me bring in syndicated columnist connie schultz and goldie taylor of thegrio.com. you're both moms, both have raised kids. connie, why are republicans attacking this family? and imagine what kind of anguish would you have gone through as a mother if you had had a son or daughter in captivity for this
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long not knowing? >> i wrote about that for my syndicated column and i started it this way, i want to ask every parent watching this show tonight, if you love your daughter or son, what would you do? short of harming an innocent person, what would you be willing to do to get your child home alive when he's being held captive in a foreign land? would you learn to speak the language of his captors? would you telegraph messages of sympathy of their cause so they would not kill your children. the first thing i thought was, i'll bet he's grown that for as long as his son as been missing. it was a perfect way to telegraph an anguish most of us don't dare imagine i'm know some republicans who are talking this way are parents, are they not for even a moment imagining what they would go through if this were their child? >> i know it. it's amazing.
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goldie, your thoughts, if that was your son or daughter, imagine the anguish you would have gone through. >> you know, it would be easier to tell you, ed, what i would not do rather than what i would. he learned pashto, a form of arabic, to telegraph messages to his son's captors oop i would have learned eight languages and memorized every line to homer's elliot if that es what 's what . showing solidarity with his son. every day, they knew it was a constant reminder that his son was still being held and the fight still continued. so there's nothing i would not have the done, i don't think, in order to make certain see my son home safely. to see this come from the right wing and the middle of the country, the demonization. there are 1 billion muslims, peace-loving muslims, living around this world. we cannot hate all of them.
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you know, there are a billion christians around this world, not all peaceful and kind. so i think that we've got to take a step back and look at how we sort of allow these vicious and cruel stereotypes against this family, but for peace loving muslims around this world. >> they have such a disdain for the decision that the commander and chief made. they have taken it so far to tarnish the family, make then the target, draw conclusions, say they look like a muslim. connie schultz, how low does it get for the republicans? >> i dare not too predict, but i do think this that most americans will not stand for this. i run a public facebook page which i mentioned before, we have almost 130,000 people following, we were having this discussion for last two days. regardless of the politics, it's not just liberals saying this goes too far.
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we don't know the circumstances yet. we do not understand all that happened. and we also know what's fair and what's unfair. i do think most americans, despite -- most americans are not divided in the same way that their political leaders respect and they are losing patience with this sort of thing, particularly those who love anybody they've raised. this is not going to fly this time. >> but you know, goldie, i don't hear any republicans saying, let's slow down and back off here a little bit, let's give the family some room. let's give the father some latitude here. they've been through an awful lot. i don't hear any of that. i -- i hear nothing but condemn nation and convict all the way across the board. is this some kind of republican strategy? >> you know, ed, unfortunately, there's a price to pay for compassion on the planet. it seems as though there were some republican elected leaders who were pleased and glad that this young man had been brought home to face whatever
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consequences you know there may be for him if he were awol or deserted or whatever what happened, they were proud to see another american citizen, u.s. soldier, returned home to american soil. so, i just think that to find that they've deleted those tweets, those messages, i think speaks to the politicization of this, knowing we've got a midterm election this fall and 2016 is around the corner, this is not, i'm finding about the bergdahl family. this business barack obama. this is about hillary clinton. this is about winning the next election when we ought to be focused on what happens happening here and now in terms of foreign policy and winding ourselves down in afghanistan. those five very dangerous, very evil people who were be held there, they were going to be released anyway because the war's coming to an end. we at least were able to trade an american life before we let them go. >> connie, what impact do you
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think general mcchrystal could have on this conservative narrative out there? they adord him when he was in charge now he's saying wachlit minute, let's not rush to judgment. >> having this conversation and few republicans are speak out, it's important we acknowledge sometimes we get frustrated with democrats. for example, the issue of gun control can really frustrate me sometimes. so it's not unusual to see sometimes we don't get what we want. i got to believe that a number of republicans, particularly moderate republicans, they do exist still, particularly among voters, i hope they bring patient to bear. i hope if you have a general speaking out, i hope it will have some influence. their target isn't this family, as you've mentioned. their target is the president. and she's very wise, goldie, to bring up hillary clinton and whoever it may be the next democratic candidate for president. they're trying to set that stage i'm just think they are really
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underestimating and undervaluing the sentiments of most americans now. i don't think this is going to play well for them. as much as there's a part of me that wants them to fail, to be hurt by this, i'd rather they shut up, frankly, i hate seeing what this is putting the family through. >> connie, goldie, great to have both of you with us tonight. appreciate your time on "the ed show." answer tonight's question, at the bottom of the screen. like us on facebook, we appreciate that. we always want to know what you think, and we pay attention to it. coming up, expected to surpass an important economic milestone tomorrow when the job reports comes out. rapid response panel weighs? first, back on the but. nancy pelosi makes a stop in ohio to talk fair pay with nina turner. ♪
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what's out there? what's hot? what's not. time for trenders. check us out on twitter @ edshow, my podcast. it's put up every day at noon. "the ed show," social media nation decided on top trenders. >> oh boy, this is going get worse before it gets better. >> number three, rapid decline. >> i spent the last 11 months campaigning for the republican nomination for the u.s. senate seat for south dakota. >> south dakota senate candidate annette bosworth's week goes from bad. >> breaking news from the associated press you have lost your race. >> well, that's news to me. i didn't know that. >> really? >> is this a bad time?
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>> to worse. >> former u.s. senate candidate annette bosworth faces 12 felony charges for perjury and false or forged signatures. >> no criminal intent to deceive. >> it can't get any worse, can it? >> the number two trender, strange brew. >> what i figured out in the break room the other day. >> coffee talk. >> everybody went to the coffee pot and everybody had exactly the same cup of coffee. >> simpler america. >> government will tell you that this is fine. but you know differently. >> glenn beck uses coffee to roast the government. are we collective or an individualist society? >> talk amongst yourself. >> this is what is in our break room. you can have this really crappy instant coffee. >> i believe in coffee, coffee for everyone. >> or have one that you love. this is the free market. >> i'm a little verklempted. >> today's top trender, buckeye bus stop.
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>> nationwide bus tour rolled into columbus. >> nancy pelosi is taking her economic agenda on the road. >> nancy pelosi heads to ohio to promote equality for working women. >> we know what the problem is. >> women make 77 cents on the dollar. >> we have the legislative solutions. >> time for us wake up congress. it's time for us pass equal pay. >> what is missing are the votes. we are not taking no for an answer. if women vote, women succeed. if women succeed, america succeeds. >> joining me tonight, ohio state senator, nina turner, who is a candidate for the ohio secretary of state position this fall. senator, good to have you with us tonight. >> thank you. >> this is as big as it gets for the democrats to have nancy pelosi coming on to your turf talking about equal pay for women. what kind of impact do you think this issue and her appearance and collection of other congressional members have on your race and in ohio?
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what kind of impact is this going to have? >> women certainly were fired up, ed. great to have leader pelosi in the state of ohio on the bus with folks like congresswoman beatty in columbus, congresswoman marcy kaptur and the other congressional women. women were on fire yesterday, ed. the issues that leader pelosi is pushing about when women succeed, america succeeds. women's issues are that of jobs, economic opportunity, of votes, of education, of elt cahealth c. rosa parks changed the whole world on a bus. so glad to see leader pelosi and other women standing by her side on the bus riding across ohio to let women know they have a choice in 2014. >> now, i also understand that leader pelosi for the democrats was exposed to a bus ride that illustrated just how hard it is
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to vote for some people in the state of ohio, which our team, of course, followed you on that tour and illustrated exactly how cumbersome the roadblocks are there and how hard it is to go through the process in some districts in ohio to vote because of the voting laws that have been changed. what reaction did she have? >> a tremendous reaction. women certainly know, and the men that support women, that if we want better policies we need better policymakers, better laws, better lawmakers. excitement was there. there were men by the sides of women who understand if women are oppressed economically, then families and communities and this nation is oppressed economically, that women deserve equal pay for equal work. for the average white woman, 77 cents on every dollar. the average african-american woman, 67 cents. for latina sisters, only 55 cents. that takes away money out of the economy, from their tables out of their homes.
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it's not right. we have to stand up collectively and say that we won't take it anymore and that was leader pelosi's message that women have to get out to vote. women were a force in 2012, ed, 53% of women were out there, voting, voting their consciousness, for democrats and we need to get women to do that again in 2014. they need to turn out and turn it up, ed. >> state senator nina turner with us tonight on "the ed show." characterize the race that you're in right now for the secretary of state's job. we all know there's a history here when it comes to shenanigans and vote total counting and all of the stuff and logistics of elections in state of ohio. we know how important ohio is go knock 2016 for the presidential. this makes this race so terribly important. how heated is it now? how hot is it going to get? how important is it, as you view it. >> it's vitally important. our vote is our voice.
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and to have a chief elections officer in place that really does everything possible to try to suppress the vote, vote and to have his republican colleagues and the legislature doing his deeds, ed, from the last time we talked some of the laws have gone into effect. we have one week less of early voting right now, no more absentee unsolicited ballots can be mailed out the way that they were through counties before the law was passed or prohib that from happening and making it harder to count votes. this business the voice of people being heard. that's why i'm running for secretary of state, expand and protect access of the ballot box. the voters of the great swing state of ohio will have a choice. the greatest equalizer that we have is the ballot box. we need people to come out and raise their voices and vote. they cannot sit on the sidelines in this election. there's no such thing as an off
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year election. every single election cycle we need people to be on voting economic interests. ed all of rights that have been taken away in the great state of ohio are happening on the state level, collective bashening ride rites, women's reproductive rights, voting rights at state level of government. we need people to come out and vote. this is vitally important. we cannot skip 2014 to get to 2016. vote, vote, vote. >> no doubt. state senator nina turner, we've got the attention of leader pelosi, no question. it's going to be very interesting how many more times she go back to ohio because of the significance of the buckeye state. great to have you with us, nina. despite the gop's best efforts the obama economy, hey, looking pretty good. rapid response panel weighs in. plus the epa's plan to reduce coal plant regulations are a huge step for combatting climate change. what president obama's next move
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next question from adam. he wants to know, what would your perfect day consist of? a healthy family, praise the lord we've had a lot of them. rapid response panel is next. i'm sue herrera with your cnbc market wrap. stocks rally ahead of the employment report. the s&p gained 12, hitting a new record high, the nasdaq added 44. it's all about jobs. jobless claims rose slightly more than expected, filings up 8,000 to 312,000 but close to post recession lows. job cuts rose to the highest level in a year as employers plan to cut payrolls by 53,000 in may. that's if from cnbc, first in business worldwide. oh my god! look. you need to see this. show 'em the curve. ♪
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welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. tomorrow, on friday, the united states department of labor will release its month of may jobs report. now you'll see a lot of news stories about job growth, failing to keep up with expectations. economists expected 210,000 jobbans instead edp and moody's released a report showing the private sector adding, dog gone it, 179,000 jobs. whoa, however, we are expected to hit a very important milestone, breaking even. if the united states' economy added 113,000 jobs or more in the month of may, we will have finally recovered all of the jobs lost in the bush financial crisis, the great recession. we lost 8.7 million jobs over the course of two years during the great recession.
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that's 6.3% of the prerecession peak payroll. now, more than four years later, we're finally expected to recover them all. making this the longest jobs recovery on record since the department of labor started keeping track back in 1939. folks, we're on track with 51 straight months of private sector job growth. we still have, no doubt, a long way to go, a lot of people not feeling. but this, as i see it no small victory for the obama administration specially when you watch what the gop, how they have been guided by ideology over economics time after time after time. the bush tax cuts, they said we couldn't let them expire. well, we did. we're still adding jobs. obamacare, well that was not the job killer that the republicans said it was going to be. and the republicans, flat out, have been wrong on everything with the economy.
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their refusal to partake in any kind of public or private partnership to make this economy better, they have sidelined the economy. but we are strong enough as a nation to keep going forward, despite them and move forward on a path of prosperity. just what would it be like if they got along in washington and invested in infrastructure? joining me tonight on rapid response panel, pulitzer prize winning journalist and author of "divided perils of growing inequality" and msnbc contributor and former governor, brian schweitzer. david kay, you first, i mean, we're going to add 113,000 jobs in may. we are going to now on record get all of these numbers back. what's your take on the last five years of what we have been through and where we are right now? how big is this? >> well, this is very good news that we're going to be back to where we are, but we should be a
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lot further along. if the republicans had not refused to put money into fixing up our infrastructure and other things that would help build the economy that would be good for business, we would be well ahead of where we are. we've added 14 million americans since the low point. we really need to are 6 million or 7 million more jobs to really be where we should and that's not fault of the president. >> governor, how will the republicans spin this one? these are positive numbers, no doubt about it. >> well, they're going to complain that all of these companies have taken these jobs someplace else around the world, they're going to say if we lowered the taxes more, corporations would spend more in the united states. here's the problem. from a to z, start with anal and caterpillar, i can't think of a "b" but we could get to z, corporations have bankrolled overseas.
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they made money in the united states, now they've got if in bank accounts overseas. if they have to bring it back, they'll have to pay taxes. so we have a corporate america that's sitting on more cash today than any time in history and they're not investing to create jobs in this country because they've the got money sitting in banks overseas. this is the fault of our congress during the last 20 years, passing legislation that gives all the these tax bennys to american corporations to ship the jobs over seas. what we need is to get them investing in jobs in the united states and then we won't have 1.5%, 2.5%, then it will be 3%, 3.5%, invest in america, make enough jobs to bring men and women home and no longer fighting oil rights somewhere else. building bridges, building airports, building america. >> yeah. david cay, your read on the dow? record numbers today, 16,836 but a lot of americans don't feel it.
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>> well, that rise in the stock market today tells you that the trader think numbers will come in on the low end, closer to adp's estimate of 180,000 than the 220 or 210 others are predicting. in the long run, fundamentally the governor's quite right. we need to get at this policy that has allowed policies to suck i estimate 5 trillion out of the u.s. by the way, what are they invest? they buy the debt the government didn't sell. we're paying them to delay paying their taxes. that's an insane policy. >> yeah. >> governor, i want to ask you, in a "time" magazine story published today you had this to say about hillary clinton, which i think connects to the economy and 2016. you said you can't be the candidate that shakes down more money on wall street than anybody else. i don't know, woodrow wilson,
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and be the populist. explain that. is hillary not right for the democrats, is that what i'm reading? >> well, unfortunately, we've come to a place in politics that you win elections by raising more money than the other person or the other parties whether democrats or republicans, you rush to where the money is. you go to the pharmaceutical company, the insurance companies, the big banks, you go to wall street. they're the ones that can write the fat checks. here's the problem, if they've been writing you the fat checks, you're beholden to them. what we needs a democratic party that stands up for working people, who says, we need to have a strong middle class again. we can't have a democratic party that is corporate like. that's the risk we're faced with now. we already have a congress full of people who have been bought by corporate america. we need chief executives that will stand up to corporate america and say, i'm putting america first, not your profits.
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>> david cay, have the corporations become so strong that they are going to be able to overrun any candidate and force even the progressive candidates to play ball with them and not take that independent streak and do what's good for consumers. >> i think that is a real serious concern, ed. take citizens united and the other decisions of the roberts court and the things that the chief justice roberts is putting into his decisions, because he's here for a long game, you're going to see more tax on unions allowed by the supreme court, fewer worker rights, fewer consumer rights and the pressure will be to push down wages which is one of the problems we vp the average wage now is 6% lower than it was in 1973. >> yeah, and i think that the progressive candidate in the field is going to have to talk about just those things that you gentlemen mentioned tonight. thanks so much.
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the proposal covers 1,000 power plants across the country, more than half are fuelled by coal. >> this is about protecting our health and protecting our homes. this is about protecting local economies, and it's about pro-pro-protecting jobs. >> conservatives very critical of the plan. they say it's going to cost skbro jobs. they say they about everything. mitch mcconnell is trying to block the regulations. >> this is the single worst blow to kentucky's economy in modern times. >> it seems it should be a no-brainer for the president to
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reject the keystone xl pipeline and there are some security issues now coming up by some experts. congressman, always a pleasure to have you with us. it would seem to me that epa and the obama administration is going to go this far on coal, why wouldn't they just reject the keystone xl outright. does this lead us down that road in your opinion? >> i think the way that you connected it, ed, is absolutely correct. these rules, proposed rules and regulation are necessary. the deal with climate change, to deal with this fossil fuel dependency that only creates more pollution and more carbon emissions, and the rules sent us in a direction of beginning to control that. it sent us in the direction of new and improved jobs that deal with renewables and alternative
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energy. and the pipeline harkens back to, again, becoming dependent on fossil fuels. and that extraction as a means of energy production. i think it's a contradiction. one goes with the other. regardless of the chicken littles republicans in congress that the sky is falling, jobs will end, the economy will stop. on the contrary, it now gives us an opportunity to begin to make the changes necessary in our work force training, education for the future. >> there's a recent report out, security vulnerabilities of the keystone xl pipeline really have not been given a lot of attention .but dave cooper, a former navy seal commander says the keystone xl would be vulnerable to a terrorist attack. he cently put this together and he said at a keystone one pump station, he stood there for over 15 minutes snapping photos and was not approached, questioned,
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or even noticed. what's your reaction to that? >> yeah, we had a briefing from mr. cooper, members of congress. and the follow-up from that briefing or the follow-up from the comments that he made today and yesterday is quite simply that, you know, let's look at the keystone comprehensively. and one of them has to be safety, public safety in particular and the fact that any deliberate sabotage of key portions of that pipeline will create millions and millions of spill of this sludge that's worse than an oil spill and contaminate and ruin parts of the heartland. so let's look at it in the comprehensive way. if this individual -- this study by mr. cooper is not enough.
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we asked them to investigate, is it good? would this new study verify or raise issues that need to be dealt with? as part of a comprehensive package, let's look at it that way. this is not about scare tactics. this is about the fact that, you know, we are proposing to build a pipeline that will change the very nature of energy in this country. and so let's look at all aspects of security being an important one as well. we do it for everything else. what's the pulse on capitol hill? >> i think the momentum has shifted. right now it's about avoid answer. nobody wants to deal with the issue. i think the momentum in the country around climate change has changed significantly. and, you know, like i said, i think it's going to change.
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i think the dynamics have changed a lot. >> okay. congressman, great to have you on "the ed show" tonight. thanks so much. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> thank to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, no apologies. president obama stands up to the gop scandal machine and gives his strongest defense yet for bringing sergeant bowe bergdahl home. the president said time is running out and america doesn't turn its back on any of its captured soldiers. >> we had a prisoner of war whose health had deteriorated. and we were deeply concerned. we saw an opportunity and we seized it. i make no apoes
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