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>> bernard jordan, nursing home escapee to normandy, says he is going to try it again next year. best new thing in the world by a mile. try to tell me it's not. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again monday. "weekends with alex witt" starts now. the main concern was is that we have a vast and delicate situation that requires no publicity. >> new word on the bowe bergdahl release in an exclusive interview. president obama talks more about defending the deal. >> right now -- >> a huge influx of immigrants on the texas border and a lot of them are children alone. we will tell you why they've been forced from their homeland. morning fix. why you might be less inclined to grab your daily dose of caffeine in the future. the answer in big money headlines. triple threat. the serious hurdles that face california chrome as he tries to run into history. a live report track side in minutes.
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good morning, everyone. we do have some breaking news to share with you as we welcome you to weekends with alex bit. tracy morgan is in the hospital after he was involved in a serious car accident. the actor was on a limo bus on the new jersey turnpike. it happened around 1:00 a.m. just north of exit 7a north of the state capitol in trenton. it was involved in a six vehicle accident that included two tractor-trailers. now according to the preliminary investigation, one of the tractor-trailers came up on slow moving traffic and that's what caused the accident. new jersey state police say that seven people were involved in the accident, one person is dead. morgan is listed in critical condition. he's at robert wood johnson hospital in new brunswick, new jersey. we are expecting to get information in just a few minutes. we'll take you there.
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meantime, in a new interview president obama is revealing the information. he spoke exclusively to nbc's brian williams. >> as i said before, the main concern was is that we had to act fast in a delicate situation that required no publicity. >> well, nbc's kristin welker is at the white house. kristin, what more is the president saying? >> good morning, alex. president obama told brian williams if he had the chance, he would do it all over again. reiterating that the administration believed that a u.s. soldier should not be left on the battlefield. that was a key part of this decision. now of course that interview with president obama comes as this administration has gotten bipartisan criticism for not alerting congress 30 days prior to releasing those five taliban detainees which is required by law. the administration has shifted its explanation for why it felt it needs to do that.
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first telling reporters, members of the congress on capitol hill that they felt as though sergeant bergdahl's health was deteriorating. later on in the week the administration says they had intelligence which showed that his life could be in jeopardy if details of the swap leaked out. president obama reiterating to brian williams that this is a very delicate situation and that the administration felt as though it needed to act very quickly. here's a little bit more of what president obama told brian williams. take a listen. >> we have a rule, a principle, that when somebody wears our country's uniform and they're in a war theater and they're captured, we're going to do everything we can to bring them home. and we saw an opportunity and we took it, and i make no apologies for it. it was a unanimous decision among my principles in my government and a view that was shared by my -- the members of the joint chiefs of staff and
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this is something that i would do again and i will continue to do wherever i have an opportunity. >> now, alex, this poll or this comes as we're getting a new poll which shows that 44% of people who were polled said that they disagreed with the statement that trading the taliban prisoners for bergdahl was the right thing to do. 29% of those polled said they thought the prisoner swap was the right thing to do. 27% said they were not sure. and, alex, i can tell you that later this week secretary of defense chuck hagel is set to testify on capitol hill about the way the administration handled this, its decision to act so quickly. >> kristin welker, thank you so much. let's go to another southwest u.s. story. a big one. hundreds of undocumented immigrant children are being brought to a city in arizona. the numbers are expected to grow significantly in weekend. joining me is frances rivera. take it away.
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>> what's being called a humanitarian crisis is intensifying in the southwest. hundreds of undocumented immigrant children are being brought to arizona by the department of homeland security. photographs obtained by tucson radio host showed children lying underneath foil blankets at a border patrol station. one official says the situation is desperate. >> the conditions in thiessen tral american countries have deteriorated so much, there's so much violence, so much crime, such bad economic conditions that people are feeling they're forced to leave. also i think probably word has gotten out that if you're traveling with children, you're more likely to be released. >> now emergency supplies are being brought in to help care for the kids. arizona officials confirm there are hundreds of unaccompanied children. by sunday their numbers could reach over 1,000. the border patrol has reportedly been overwhelmed by surges of
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central american immigrants into rio grande, texas. 50,000 children are traveling on their own. they plan to use the facility in arizona as a way station where the children will be vaccinated and checked medically. they will be flown to facilities in california, san antonio, and fort sill. earlier this week president obama declared the wave of children an urgent humanitarian situation and urged them to provide housing and other resources. heartbreaking. >> up to 50,000 children traveling on their own. remarkable story. thank you, frances, for making us aware of that. actor comedian tracy morgan in the hospital in critical condition after he was involved in a car accident on the new jersey turnpike. wnbc's sheldon dutes is outside the hospital. sheldon, good morning. what have you learned about morgan's condition and the car accident he was involved in?
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>> reporter: alex, doctors in the icu are treating tracy morgan and several other victims of the six-car pileup. he had finished a show and he was riding in a limousine that flipped over on new jersey state turnpike about 1:00 this morning near middlesex county. the circumstances of this accident are still under investigation but it appears two tractor-trailers were involved in the wreck. now one person died and six others were taken to the hospital with various injuries. tracy morgan was among those who were critically injured. the actor comedian was a cast member on "saturday night live" and starred in "30 rock." three other people are being treated for critical injuries here at robert wood johnson hospital. the hospital staff said one person is in stable condition. yes, they are dealing with that fatality as well, alex. >> so, sheldon, this happened when again? in the early morning hours? it was after his show? another question, do we know if
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the fatality that was confirmed came from his limousine or one of the other cars involved? >> reporter: it still has yet to be determined. officials have not identified the person who died in the accident. they have reached out to their family but haven't released the name. >> this happened after a show. is there any suggest of alcohol involved? i mean, i know there were two tractor-trailers. any details on what caused the accident? >> reporter: still under investigation. it appears the two tractor-trailers were somehow involved. might have been a possible slowdown on the turnpike and when those cars piled up and went into each other. yes, he has finished a show a few hours before presumably on his way back to new york city when the accident happened. it happened in the northbound lanes of the turnpike. >> okay. that makes sense. wnbc's sheldon dutes, thank you for bringing us the information as we have it so far. let's go to the weather and the dangerous twisters hitting this country.
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one funnel cloud touched down in northern colorado. this is the third day in a row that tornadoes have threatened that state. the suspected tornado damaged several homes and businesses in arkansas friday. a 9-year-old and her mother were slightly injured. joining me now, ray stagich. we're starting there with gorgeous sunshine and temperatures into the middle 80s in new england. more showers, more thunderstorms and the areas in red can actually get some severe weather with bigger storms coming in impacting wind and maybe hail and heavy downpours along with plenty of lightning and thunder. temperatures in the 80s from atlanta to south florida. nice day up to the northeast and midwest as temperatures are going to be very nice if you are heading out to see california chrome try to take on the triple crown and potentially become the first winner of the triple crown in quite some time. we've got gorgeous sunshine in the forecast. temperatures in the 80s today. 82 degrees tomorrow. if you're taking a long weekend,
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it looks like we are going to see beautiful weather in the northeast as we go through sunday afternoon. showers and thunder showers continue to roll where they have been out across the southeast and south central u.s. the west coast looking dry unfortunately with no rain. >> ray stagich, thank you for that. speaking of what ray was talking about, more than 100,000 people are going to show up and watch a horse race and perhaps witness history. california chrome only one of a few to go for a triple crown. kristin, you are at the place to be today. >> reporter: good morning, alex. what a beautiful day for it. we saw california chrome out on the track earlier this morning. took a relaxed lap. looked like he was feeling good and healthy. going to be an exciting day here, and if he does become a triple crown winner, what a cinderella story this will be. this horse was bought for just over $10,000. keep in mind that race horses at
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this level usually cost into the hundreds of thousands. his name picked out of a hat. i don't think anybody expected it to get to this point, but he made the kentucky derby and the preakness look easy so far. today maybe a little bit of a tougher road. a couple things that could be difficult. this is a mile and a half race. longer than the other races. also, he's run three big races in a five-week stretch so exhaustion could play into it. some of the competitors have had a little bit more rest time either skipping the preakness, skipping the kentucky derby. so it's going to be a difficult road but looking good out there and a lot of people excited for this afternoon, alex. >> it's all about the triple crown. of course, the last time a horse won that it was affirm back in 1978. we've certainly seen a lot of horses get close in recent years. what are you hearing from the california chrome camp about the chances of winning today? are they hedging their bets at all? >> yeah. you know, it has been a long, long time.
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you mentioned the other horses, nams like smarty jones, funny side. a lot of horses have come close. this is what he's up against. what we're hearing from the camp is that he's feeling good and they get more and more impressed by this colt as they go through the weeks here. listen to what his jockey had to say about how he's feeling. >> wheneveratever i tell him to he's ready to do it. after i work him, i've got a little bit more confidence. i think he's going to run big. >> there you have it. they are feeling good about their chances today. >> going to be an exciting race to watch. thank you so much. kristen dahlgren from elmont. slenderman, the strange internet sensation that pushed them to attack their friend with a knife. new developments in that today. the shifting story on capitol hill from the bowe bergdahl story. some lawmakers changing their mind on whether it was a good thing. another note on california chrome, how did he get his name?
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and let's go to politics. for the first time former secretary of state hillary clinton publicly sharing reaction to the release of five taliban detainees at guantanamo bay in exchange for sergeant bowe bergdahl. >> i think this was a very hard choice, which is why i think my book is so aptly named. if you look at what the factors were going into the decision, of course there are competing
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interests and values. i mean, one of our values is we bring everybody home off the battlefield the best we can. it doesn't matter how they ended up in a prisoner of war situation. >> let me bring in washington bureau chief of the chicago sun times, lynn sweet. congressional reporter for the washington post, ed o'keefe. welcome. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> lynn, i'll begin with you. your reaction to hillary clinton's comments? any surprises or is this what you would expect to her? >> she addresses this in the book, she foreshadows that this will be controversial. talks about a swap had been on and off throughout the years. so i'm not surprised. it is interesting that she works in the hard choices plug in the quote in that answer, isn't it? >> interesting? i don't know. expected, i'm not sure. how about this, ed. senate majority leader harry reid, he was asked this week about whether he was the only lawmaker who got a heads up about the release the day before it happened. listen to his response. here it is. >> i'm not sure i'm the only
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one. made a big deal over nothing. the whole deal is is it friday or saturday? what difference does it make? what difference does it make? >> so, ed, are the democrats accepting the reasons for the administration as not giving the information for congress or is there still more fallout to come? >> not all of them and, frankly, the what difference does it make attitude is one that's not appreciated by other members of the congress. as far as we know, reid was the only one given an advanced heads up last friday in a phone call. earlier he had been tipped off that something big was coming according to his aides. the problem is the gang of eight, the big eight, the four top congressional leaders and the four leaders of the house and senate intelligence committee would normally get tipped off in a situation like this and it doesn't appear that they were other than reid. now whether or not the president was violating the law by not informing congress about this upcoming detainee swap, that was obviously a big topic of concern this week. i think going forward this will become more a broader debate
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about the future of guantanamo bay. you saw the president talk to brian williams about that. i think that's where the debate is headed not only on capitol hill but certainly the white house focus as well. >> they spoke about the reaction to her comments last weekend when we first learned of sergeant bergdahl's release. here's what she said last sunday. >> the point is that he's back. he's going to be reunited with lis family. he served the united states with honor and distinction and we'll have the opportunity eventually to learn what has transpired in the past years. >> okay. here's what she said to reporters yesterday. >> it wasn't meant to gloss over anything. there have been those who have criticized those comments. what i was saying is that sergeant bergdahl served honorably because he chose in a time of war to serve his
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country. that in itself is honorable. >> do you think there's any regret there, lynn? are you sensing that? did her original comments come from the white house? >> well, i don't know where it came. i don't know if she considered it just a term of art. there's a rule in politics that i know you and alex know about, and that is when you have to explain you lose. when you play what she said in retrospect, that's not -- it is just amazing once again susan rice seems to be in trouble in a talk show window where she says something that goes outside of what people could say and what she knows about the controversy of this man's capture. you could still say so much about -- along the lines of what president obama did about bringing a soldier home and leaving it there or as the president would say, you know, full stop. >> let's talk about the optics of all of this at the white house, ed. we saw the president in the rose garden with sergeant bergdahl's
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parents who have had a a week to absorb everything. do you think the president might have done it the same way or differently? >> oh, the white house won't say for certain but there's been a lot of concern this week that the president perhaps exploited or if not exploited put them in an awkward position of allowing them to be an element. they should be home to wait for their son's arrival instead they've become a flash point all week long. it's hard to understand the family was in washington last week, they had been here for some memorial day services. the fact that they were in town i think was part of the reason that the white house felt compelled to invite them over for the announcement. the fact that it was the rose garden i think hurts a lot of people, at least on capitol hill. that's a place that's used for bigger announcements, for undeniably joyous occasions. this one in the moment certainly at the time everyone thought it was. clearly as we learned, it
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wasn't. i'm sure there are people over there on be the west wing saying if we had to do it again, we might have done it a little differently. >> i want to pose this next question to both of you. it's relative to what i'm reading by one of your colleagues, he writes, the bergdahl boomerang. gop leaders who long urged a rescue now sour on the idea specifically citing richard nugent. he told them in february they should do, quote, everything possible not to leave any members of the armed forces behind. the article specifically references an interview senator john mccain did in february. here's part of that. >> obviously i'd have to know the details, but i would support ways of bringing him home and if exchange was one of them, i think that would be something i think we should seriously consider. >> and then after the release last weekend senator mccain criticized the exchange as, quote, mistake. to both of you, ed, go first, when you look at the past statements the politicians made in february, is this a mistake?
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>> it is in part because the details of the five-for-one swap had been reported by the washington post and others. the idea of this was out there. some senior leaders had been aware of this as early as 2011 during classified briefings. doesn't mean they were running around telling everyone, but the concept had been out there. more broadly, this is a frustration for people who cover congress, lynn can agree with me, this is why politicians don't give straight answers. it will come back to bite them. this is a great example why you see politicians responding to hypothetical questions cautiously. >> lynn, do you agree? >> yes. ed has a good point. especially when so much stuff is unknown. i'm always surprised when a lawmaker or any official says things in declarative sentences when you know they don't know all the facts surrounding this. a swap might shall interesting to explore in the abstract but when you find out the names and the histories of the five people
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involved, and there are still a lot more for the public to absorb about who these people are exactly, then you have a different story emerging just as we don't know all the circumstances about the capture of sergeant bergdahl yet. >> right. >> yet so many lawmakers are jumping to conclusions. i have a story in the sunday "sun times" about an illinois lawmaker who says declare rativelily, he is a desserter. a lot of facts have to be unfolded. >> to be a desserter you have to be off base as 30 days to be classified as a desserter. lynn sweet, ed o'keefe, good to see you as always. >> take care. why you might think twice about reaching for that extra cup of coffee. but first the cia showing defensive humor with its venture into social media. the agency took to at this timer with this message. we can neither confirm nor deny
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in today's three big money headlines, "usa today" contributor, regina lewis. >> holding steady, it's important. unemployment at 6.3% adding 217,000 jobs. the consistency is the key here. that's four consecutive months adding more than 200,000, alex. that hasn't happened in 14 years. some demographics struggling, african-american and teenagers. 19% unemployment rate which suggests that they may be crowded out by adults taking those part-time jobs. >> makes sense. let's go to java jump. i'm not liking that at all by the way. >> the parent company of dunkin donuts coffee in the store and folgers saying that the drought in brazil where 1/3 of the most
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popular coffee bean is harvested means that they're going to have to increase prices 9%. the very popular and profitable k cups are exempt. dunkin donuts coffee, what does that mean for starbucks? they've managed this well. they lock in prices much like airlines do. >> how about the new harris wedding survey and the take aways from that? what's it saying? >> it's saying that things are changing. there is still some tradition. millennials have a different attitu attitude. 66% say don't spend on an expensive engagement ring. the groom's family should pay for the rehearsal dinner and the bride's family should pay for the wedding which is convenient for the grooms and parents of sons but overall, 80 plus percent of people say they don't think it's smart to spend extravagantly on weddings and travel weddings. >> makes a good point although
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they are fun. what can you say? >> yeah. >> thank you very much. regina lewis. where did they go? the latest on what happened to the five detainees freed and exchanged for bowe bergdahl. a live report from qatar. next, more on california chrome. his last workout. here's a closer look at the triple crown by the numbers and now this news. some time? the next time you rent a dvd, don't bother rewinding it. the way i see it, it's the next guy's problem. oh, larry. she thinks i'm crazy. mm-hmm.
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admirers. who else is expected to attend? >> good morning, alex. oprah, of course, oprah winfrey. she has helped organize this. we are expecting former president bill clinton to make an appearance and leanne womack is expected to sing "i hope you dance." it was reportedly one of maya angelou's favorite songs. maya angelou, poet, beloved friend, everyone has their own personal story to share about her. one student we spoke with told us about a poetry reading class he took from dr. angelou that was held in the basement of her home. he says when the semester ended angelou handed out her personal home phone number to the students encouraging them to call her saying to call her if they ever needed her saying she
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was their professor of life. people can get to know her through her award winning bodies of work. dr. an gelou showed no signs of slowing down. she was supposed to teach a course at wake forest this fall. her presence is already being missed both here at the university and across the nation. alex, back to you. >> can you imagine having someone like maya angelou as your professor? be able to speak with her in such an intimate setting. she will be missed. that service starts at 10. overseas now and the fallout surrounding the sergeant bowe bergdahl trade intensifies. president obama tells brian williams he stands by his decision to release the five taliban detainees. >> the fact is we are ending a war in afghanistan. we have released both under my administration and previous administrations a large number of former taliban fighters, some
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of whom returned to the battlefield, but by definition you don't do prisoner exchanges with your friends, you do them with your enemies. >> the five now are in the gulf state of qatar where they will spend the next year under a travel ban. where exactly are they being held and who's responsible for them? nbc's a men mohyeldin is joining me on the phone. what do you know about this? >> reporter: well, since they've arrived here in qatar a few days ago, the five taliban officials have really kept a very low profile. nobody has actually seen them other than that instance where they were welcomed by members of the taliban political office on the side of the road outside the military airbase where the plane had arrived. but since then very little information coming out about them except for the fact that their health is not in goods condition and more importantly, what we've heard from the political office of the taliban here is that these five individuals do intend to honor the agreement that was made, and
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that agreement, although it has been shrouded in secrecy, we have learned that the qatary government, the guaranteor of it, is effectively putting a travel ban and they can't have any major travel or political activity or here inside qatar. they are also ban from speaking to the media. there are a lot of tight restrictions on the government, and they will be on the five taliban officials and they will be under very close monitoring by the qatary government. >> i'm sure the u.s. monitoring as well from afar. thank you. meantime, a new article in ""the daily beast"" reveals the administration remained divided for years leading to last week's exchange. it reads, quote, as far back as 2011 top obama aids argue that five taliban aids could be released. they eventually won the day and the deal for bowe bergdahl was struck. joining me former u.s. air
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officer colonel morris davis. senior correspondent daily beast and co-author josh rogan. gentleman, thank you for joining me. josh, i'm going to begin with you because you also say in this article, quote, for years senior defense and intelligence officials disagreed. they were poised to block a potential trade for the taliban five and american hostage bowe bergdahl. what changed, josh? >> well, between 2011 when this deal was first proposed and 2014 when it was finally struck everything changed, right? first of all, we're getting out of the war in afghanistan. the belief was, if there's no more war, how can we hold them as enemy combatants. the people inside the administration changed. people that were opposed, leon panetta, hillary clinton was skeptical, they left.
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people who were for it was left. because of all of these other factors, the impetus was on the administration to push this deal through. so, these five guys were very bad guys, everyone admits. there were some inside the administration that thought they were bad guys who wanted to kill other afghans, not necessarily americans -- not necessarily americans abroad. i guess we'll see now that they're released who was right. >> colonel davis, let's get to you now. i want to ask you first, what was your role, sir, as gitmo prosecutor. second, did you know these five taliban members? and your reactions that the five are in ill health. do you see that as being plausible nk guantanamo bay? >> my role as chief prosecutor was to review the information we had on the detainees to see which ones we could potentially bring war crimes against. out of 779 men held at guantanamo, we identified 75 that we thought potentially
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could be prosecuted. when i saw the names of the five individuals reported last weekend, my first reaction is, who are they? i never saw the names before, which meant there was not enough information to make it on our list of potential prosecutions. when you hear people talk about these guys being the hardest of the hard core and how dangerous they are, you know, we prosec e prosecuted osama bin laden's driver and we couldn't bring charges against these guys. health wise, they've been at guantanamo for more than 12 years. just like me, they've aged over that time and certainly they're not the same people they were when they got there. so, you know, there's been a lot of hyperbole this week about who these guys are, the risk that they pose, but there certainly wasn't enough evidence to make it on the list of potential prosecution. >> i want to pick up with the worst of the worst and the fact that they have this reputation. it is fair to say that the worst of the worst are there in
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guantanamo bay, correct? if they're still there, there is a question about their actions in the past and what they're potentially capable of doing in the future, right? where do you come down on these five? even though they didn't necessarily have enough evidence for prosecution. i mean, sometimes that can be a fine line. >> clearly, you know, the label the worst of the worst. we were told everyone at guantanamo was the worst of the worst. of the 779 men we took there, more than 80% have gone home. more than 500 during the bush administration. we have people like khaleed sheik mohamed who is among the worst of the worst. with these individuals, we've been holding them that we can detain the enemy for the duration of the conflict. the president has made it clear, this conflict is coming to an end by december. if we can't prosecute them, the conflict's coming to an end and our legal justification is in the eyes of many to expire, to
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trade the five of them for a u.s. service member in my estimation, i'm often critical of president obama, i think they struck a pretty good deal. >> josh, you also made the case that this deal could be the first step to emptying guantanamo bay. what do you base that theory on? >> right. i base it on president obama's stated goal in the 2014 state of the union address that he would close guantanamo by the end of the year. of course, congress removed a lot of its own oversight voluntarily and allowed the president to make these moves with only a 30-day notice which he's not paying a lot of attention to these days. that is what the president wants to do. colonel davis is exactly right. there are some very bad folks in guantanamo. because of the way this was set up, there are a lot of other folks there as well. even those people who are low risk and even those people who are deemed no longer to be a threat to the united states are not being released because of this bureaucratic struggle
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inside the military and congress. some people don't want to see guantanamo close. this battle is a proks bring battle for that coming bigger battle over what to do with the 149 guys left there. if president obama can release these five guys, there's at least concern on capitol hill amongst the people who don't want guantanamo to be closed that he can empty out the rest of the place, that's why lindsey graham threw out the word impeachment. he's so worried president obama will run around congress for the rest of the year. that's the bigger fight coming. >> colonel davis, i want to ask you. follow this one year in qatary custody, do you have any concerns that these five could return to retaliate against americans? >> it's certainly possible. i mean, you look at data that we know about for people that have been released, i think it shows that a quarter have been returned to do bad things. playing the odds added five guys that's probable that one or more
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nbc legal analyst lisa bloom is joining us now. good morning. should the young girls are charged as adults. they're 12 years old. they're not even teenagers. >> i think it's appalling. the united states is the only developed country that charges kids this young as adults. you can't even legally sign a contract or drink or drive. we expect them to understand miranda rights, waive the rights and talk to police and give information if tried as adults, could lock them up for the rest of their lives. >> what about premeditation though? if this is something that's planned, they have the cognizant awareness to say, we're going to do something pretty awful. >> well, you know, that's an open question. there's now a mountain of psychological evidence that says that brain functioning and cognitive development is not fully formed until about the age of 25. most of us who have 12-year-olds around know that 12-year-olds are not able to appreciate the long-term consequences of their
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actions. these two girls believed in this fictional character named slender man. they say they were trying to commit a murder, thank god she survived, she's in stable condition, they were trying to kill this girl to please an online character. i think that tells us something about their level of immaturity. >> how about the psychiatric evaluation, how will that weigh into things legally speaking? >> that will be important. since they're currently charged as adults, they have a very high burden to show, that is the insanity defense. they were unable to distinguish right from wrong, unable to stop themselves from committing the heinous act. if they were tried in juvenile court which is where they should be, a 12-year-old to 12-year-old no matter what they do, they would be getting counseling, education and rehabilitation. >> does anything say that they are influenced by slender man, does that help their defense? >> not really. not if they're in adult court and i wrote a piece about this on avo.com. i encourage everybody to read it. i think we are the ones living in a fantasy world. so much of the coverage of this
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the streak ended this week after winning 20 games and what a streak it was. >> julia? >> what is death of a salesman? >> julia? >> correct. >> what is crater lake? >> julia? >> it was the second longest run ever on "jeopardy." the former business consultant walks away with more than $400,000 in prize money. joining me now is julia collins. how did you prepare to go on "jeopardy"? were you nervous? >> i did a lot of studying. i reviewed old textbooks. i got some shakespeare for dummy type books. the studying made me feel more confident going into the show. >> you were an art history major in college. you went and got a masters in engineering. which did you use more? >> i think the art history
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skills. that was a lot of memorizing and building up a base of facts to use. that helped me a lot more. >> when you think about all you studied beforehand, did some question you come up where you go, yes, i just studied that. >> i don't know the order of vocal ranges so i googled that and that was the question. >> what was the one question you got that you thought i can't believe i missed that one? >> there was a question about a norman rockwell painting. they showed a picture and it wa. >> when you get the accolades and all that, how has this changed your life? >> a year. that's been a big change. it's been really fun to get to talk about being on the show and i think the money is going to change my life. it was this nest egg i didn't
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imagine having before. >> didn't your sweaters get their own twitter account? >> they did. >> what is that? >> when i was on the show i was thinking it will be comfortable, what will be easy, and i have all these sweaters from when i was a consultant. >> and you have to change. they tape several. >> it's five shows a day. i thought this is easy and quick. and i guess it just caught people's eye. >> how did you keep silent about this? you taped these some months ago. and they just aired. >> my mom had come to a couple shows, my brother came to a few. i had some friends that were there for almost all of them. so i didn't have to keep it a secret from everybody. so i think that helped a lot. >> 20 wins, when you started out did you ever dream you would be 20 wins in? >> i think everybody has a daydream fantasy they are going to be the next ken jennings.
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