is all ready the brand ofstate the year.d berkshire hathaway home services. good to know. every man. whatever you think of the deal that president obama signed off on to win bowe bergdahl's release, this much is clear. the white house did not expect this kind of a backlash np a new

interview with brian williams, this is what the president had to say. >> the five prisoners, part of the exchange by their resumes, they are professionals. former high value assets. the question asked on the cover of "time" magazine, was it worth it? >> the fact is that we are ening a war in afghanistan. we have released both under my administration and previous administrations a large number of taliban fighters. some who will return to the battlefield. >> it's been a week since president obama stepped out into the rose garden and announced the sergeant had been released in exchange for five senior taliban leaders who had been held for years at guantanamo. this was news to the general public and also news to congress since the administration had cut the deal without notifying congress. doing so would have threatened bowe bergdahl's safety. that announcement is now in

intense political debate about whether the price paid r for bergdahl's release is too high and whether it will endanger americans still serving in afghanistan and elsewhere around the world and also about his conduct as a soldier, the circumstances of his capture of the taliban in 2009. soldiers who served with bergdahl spoke out not to welcome him home but to attack him as a deserter whose abandonment of his post and capture by the enemy had jeopardized the lives of other american soldiers. >> it doesn't matter what his motives were. we all took an oath and had to abide by orders. you don't leave fellow americans to join somebody else. >> attack iing the deal and attacking bergdahl and even bergdahl's parents became a political weapon for republicans. even. some who previously voiced provisional support for the idea of a prisoner exchange for the taliban. >> i said it twice depending on a lot of the details. in other words do not trade one

person for five hard core, hardest of the hard core murdering war criminals who will clearly reenter the fight and send them to qatar. >> several republicans initially sent out messages welcoming bergdahl home and saluting him for his service only to delete those messages as they morphed into a political issue. as the week progressed, the administration began to offer a defense of the deal arguing that the five taliban detainees were going to be released any way so you might as well get them. >> there are three that remain. there are those that approved for transfer, that's 78. there are about 30 who have been referred for prosecution in some way. these five are in the middle bucket and were unlikely to be

added to the group that was going to be referred for prosecution. so it is quite likely that eventually in line with our commitment to close guantanamo bay they would be transferred. >> the president also repeated the basic principle that the country will do whatever it takes to bring every soldier back home, no matter what. >> we do not leave anybody wearing the american uniform behind. we had a prisoner of war whose health had deteriorated and we were deeply concerned about and saw an opportunity and we seized it and i make no apologies for that. >> poll released on thursday found 39% of americans disapprove the deal. a good chunk of the skepticism has to do with the unanswered questions about bergdahl himself. "the new york times" obtained a classified 35-page army report

completed after his disappearance in 2009. that report concluded he most likely walked away from his post on his own free will. stopped short of finding evidence he intended to permanently desert. his commanders and squad mates describe his service in positive terms. now some service members have gone public against him and his conduct and blame him for the deaths of other soldiers while they searched for him. the report also confirms that bergdahl shipped some of his personal items home like his computer and journal before he disappeared from his post. he now faces a military investigation into what exactly happened back in 2009. depending on the outsome of that, he could face a court-martial. the political debate roars on here with all of the arguing leeing several big questions unanswered like if he was a deserter does that mean he should have been left to die in afghanistan or the problem is the terms of the deal, five taliban prisoners for one

american, what terms would be acceptable and what happened with the detainees now that they have been released? joining me is mark jacobson, senior adviser to the truman project. he was anned a providers to general petraeus. msnbc analyst colonel jack jacobs is here. thank you for being here. we have had a week now to start to digest this and sort of been unfolding story. we have a new interview with the president last night with brian williams. i want to make sense of one week and there were a couple issues and i want to start with a basic one. we heard about the principle of i heard do you jump off the ship or fall off the ship, doesn't matter, we leave nobody behind. was turning down this deal and letting him stay in afghanistan

ever realistically an option? >> i don't think so. i wouldn't expect any command er in chief to even consider this proposition of leaving somebody behind on the battlefield. there are suggestions because of his political views, religion, you don't leave people behind. i was talking with someone earlier. my parents freaked out when i went to afghanistan both times. if i had been captured. do i want to say this nice jewish kid, not sure if we're going to go get him. >> we owe it to our men and women in uniform. >> i disagree. i think not getting him now was an option. the assertion that we're at the end of the war is not correct. it's not the end of the war. at the end of wars, we do exchange prisoners. if the white house thinks we're at the end of the war, have them

tell that to the 30,000 troop who is are still in afghanistan. the 10,000 that will be there it for the next two years or so. so we're not at the end of the war. >> you're saying there's still troops over there, still going to have that force into the foreseeable future. are you saying basically -- is your concern with the safety of americans left over there? >> my concern is the rhetoric that e we did this because it's the end of the war. it's the end of the war in the white house's mind. they are trying to empty out guantanamo. i understand those motivations, but to assert that we went to get this guy, we traded up for this guy because it's the end of the war is nonsense. >> so one of the arguments that's being made and there was this classified briefing held with senators on wednesday night this week and some of this has leaked. there's some dispute over what

the evidence said. the senator from maine was saying on this network they made a pretty good case that bergdahl was in danger of dying. if you're going to get him back alive, this was your best chance. feinstein yesterday said she doesn't think that's the case. that issue though of -- that seems to enter into this. if you have credible evidence, what you think is credible evidence that he's not likely to live that much longer, that changes the equation of what's acceptable? >> regardless of the political battle about optics, style, and how the white house did this, the military made the recommendation to the president that they go get him now. the president said go get this guy back. and the concern i have over this debate is that it it's losing sight of a couple principles. one of them is that the taliban were going to make a propaganda mess of this no matter what. if we left bergdahl, whose to say he doesn't end up on one of those e beheading videos.

>> that's my question too. the reaction if -- this is not a good deal, this is not the right time, if that was the conclusion, no deal. six months from now we find out he died, a photograph, a video comes forward. the domestic reaction to that in general would have been why didn't we get him out? >> you're saying there are only two options. . to cut a lousy deal, as long as we're being hypothetical, cut a lousy deal or wait until he gets his head cut off. that's a false dichotomy. the military had a role in it because they provided security for the exchange, but the military didn't go get him. we had tried several times to get him with military assets and did not and that's part of the assertion here. it's really a question of what the public pronouncements are. i know you can discount style, but style has a lot to do with

this. if you want to obviate the congressional response to this, which is by and large negative including people from the president's own party, the way to do it is to work with the congress to get support for this thing. and he may have been advised under those circumstances, look, this is bad news. the guy's a bum, let's say since we are being hypothetical, don't do it. okay, i'm not going to do it, but yo get off my back about going to get him publicly. you have to work with the congress. you can't just do things and expect everybody to think it's a great deal. >> there's a couple issues there. but i'm curious about this. is there any deal that you think could have been acceptable right now to be exchanging prisoners from guantanamo for bowe bergdahl? >> sure, but i don't know what it is. the white house has been working on this it deal for two years as a matter of fact. and everything they proposed to

the taliban was rejected by the taliban because they wanted these five, these specific five guys back. not the guys who were in the chain about ready to be released. they wanted these specific five guys back. >> that's right. these were higher ranking detainees. this is sort of from the taliban standpoint this is the cream of the crop. >> this is one of the challenges. these are not core al qaeda. these are bad people, these are potentially dangerous people. four of the five of them are political figures. they are going back to a battlefield where they don't have the same networks. her going back to a battlefield, if they go back to a battlefield, they are in qatar for at least a year -- >> how confident are we they will be there a year? >> i'm pretty confident. >> they can communicate. >> we should be so lucky they call a terrorist at home. but they have a political

incentive to keep track of these people. it's just fine to watch the network. that's fine. i think that what you also have to look at here is the taliban who were released, not core al qaeda, political leaders, going back to a different battlefield. it was a bad deal several years ago. >> what makes it good now? >> we're going to lose some of the leverage we have on the taliban after we reduce down to the 9,800 troops next year. this is the key time to be cutting deals like that to get the last remaining prisoner out of afghanistan. >> i want to go back to your initial discussion that revolved around the noerks of whether or not we extend all efforts to go get our people. whether or not we never leave anybody behind. and you had an interesting analogy there. somebody falls off the boat and we go get them.

we don't actually. you don't do anything that would endanger the mission or other people. that's the rule. and we have to make a distinction between not leaving anybody behind on the battlefield on the battlefield where i spent plenty of time by the way, and where we work hard to make sure we didn't leave anybody behind in the heat of combat when you're with your buddies, you don't let anybody -- >> there is a history. this is not the first time prisoners have been swapped. >> but at the end of the war. and it's not the end of the war. we have at least two years to go. >> but mark is making the point about leverage in terms of plausibly speaking, we have more leverage than we have maybe than o two years from now. >> we're making a calculate ed estimate of the risk and the reward. if we're going to lose leverage over the next 18 months to get the guy back, now is the time to get him. >> balancing risk is part of

war. >> that's correct. and so that's one part of the calculation. the other part of the calculation is in order to maintain that leverage, what are you expending in order to get it done. and if it's asymmetrical, you either do it or don't do it based on clous. the other thing is the way in which the white house handled the other thing. i go back to the notion that the president of the united states is in something that has to do with war and peace. needs to abide by the law, but if he's not going to do that by some sort of reason, then he has to do a better job of getting the people at the other end of pennsylvania avenue to sign on to what he's doing. >> there's a whole issue there. we have heard plenty about it this week. this was framed initially like the white house was expecting this to be seen as a triumphant moment. >> they are tone deaf. they have no idea what other people are thinking. >> it's a tougher sell.

that's the thing. if somebody who was just decorated combat hero is freed, the general attitude would be a lot more this is a great thing for america. it's complicated talking about somebody that might have deserted. that doesn't mean you can't make the case. it's tougher to make the case. a lot more to be said but we have to leave it here. our panel will join us right after this. stories that have the plit cat world talking and there's brand new video of hillary clinton weighing in on what we just talked about. first, breaking news this morning surrounding comedian tracy morgan. he's in critical condition after a six-vehicle accident on the new jersey turnpike. it it happened around 1:00 a.m. killing one person who was a passenger in the limo bus he was riding in putting seven people

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we have been talking about unanswered questions surrounding the prisoner exchange for the release of bowe bergdahl. no surprise hillary clinton was asked about it during an interview for her new book. speaking with diane sawyer, the former secretary of state says she stands by president obama's decision while not second guessing. >> if you look at what the factors were going into the decision, of course, there are competing interests and values. one of our values is we bring

everybody home off the battlefield the best we can. it doesn't matter how they ended up in a prisoner of war situation. >> joining me to talk about this we have suzy kim, national policy reporter, contributor jonathan capehart and evan mcmoor, the white house reporter with buzzfeed. thanks for being here, guys. we were talking about this a little bit at the end of the first segment. it seems to me, and i don't know the reason why and maybe you guys can shed light on it, but i don't know the reason why the administration seemed to be framing this as expecting this would be framed by the media as just a piece of good news, triumphant return of the soldier, not anticipating the story of bowe bergdahl and the circumstances of his capture would be an issue like this. it seems to me maybe the thought is it's such a tricky sell to, this guy might have walked off

post. there might have been lives in danger. we just gave up five taliban guys to get him. that's not going to sell where are well in the court of public opinion. how can you not expect that's going to come out. that was the story already reported about this. >> the idea they got caught flat footed seemed to bare out after it happened. they kept changing their story around. right afterwards i talked to former white house people who said they had the rose garden ceremony. so bowe bergdahl could have a discussion of what he meant through and of all the process he went through before all the political stuff started, which they expected would be about the five taliban that were traded. then yesterday at a breakfast i was at, they said they had the ceremony because they wanted to get ahead of controversy they knew was coming. so i feel like they are trying to find their footing because a lot of this had surprised them. >> they are arking the

principle. the idea you leave nobody behind, but it reminds me we have these debates about free speech. . somebody says something that's terrible, that's racist or whatever and we say it's a horrible sentiment that they are expressing, but they have the right to say it. somebody that tests your taste for the first amendment, something that tastes your test for the idea we bring everybody back. this is that sort of ultimate mix. >> it seems like the explanation now that the white house is saying we were trying to humanize him, everyone can relate to a parent's suffering. then you have, no, the parents were already in washington. they came together a little bit and maybe there wasn't the kind of thinking through. you have to keep in mind the administration might have been surprised about the kind of backlash considering there were many republican and democratic l lawmakers actively lobbying for them to bring this guy home.

we have these prominent voices on the right as well as the left supporting this it guy, so why not? >> that's the other one. the white house didn't know this stuff was out there. >> that's the thing that makes the entire situation probably the most dispiriting controversies i have seen in my seven years in washington. here you have front page of "the washington post" today. i wrote about it a couple days ago where you had republicans who were on record demanding that the president do something, demanding that the president not leave bowe bergdahl behind. accusing the president of forgetting that he was even there. so the republican lawmakers who scrubbed their tweets of saying, yay, bowe bergdahl is home. he goes on another network and

talks with anderson cooper about the very deal that the president agreed to back in february where he said, i don't think we should give up these five horrible taliban guys just for a confidence building measure, but if we're going to do it, let's do it so we can bring bowe bergdahl home. now there's john mccain saying what the president has done is wrong? that to me is what's been so rep rehenceable and that's the thing that really has knocked the white house off kilter. you have people saying do this. you do it and now they are beating you about the head with bats all over the place. >> it's not surprising at all. this is the story of america certainly in this era. at the same time, it's a legitimate debate to be had. this is a tough call to make for any president. the possibility that these five

guys go back and linked to something terrible five years from now. that's a tough call to make. at the same time though, when you're saying to do it five months ago. >> part of this talks about how little the afghanistan story was part of our narrative for so long up until now. almost everything about the bergdahl transfer was in the media before it happened. from questions of his desertion all the way through the deals we made shs the names of the guys, and the members of congress i think they just didn't know. >> it's the same thing. when you look at what what's been out there for three years and you start to say the white house expected this too. >> honestly, the fact that afghanistan has been outside of the minds of so many people in the media, sort of this general debate, it forces us to go through these hard questions, which aren't easy to do. how many resources do we expend

in terms of doing any operation in afghanistan much less looking for a guy, the president's role and authority, should he have given congress more of a heads up. they are saying this would have endangered this guy's life. there are various questions this that are all really difficult but got lumped together in was this good or the worst thing that could have happened for america. that's not a helpful way. >> the two things i want to hear from the people, everybody has a right to speak out against this and they may be right, but should he have stayed and died? and two, if you wanted him out, what terms would you have zeped? it's easy to say five bad guys, what would you have done? we have news on immigration. news overnight from arizona. that's next. mayo? corn dogs? you are so outta here! aah! [ female announcer ] the complete balanced nutrition

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news out of the southwest this morning where the federal government said over 400 immigrant children traveling without their parents to a holding center in arizona yesterday is in the process of sending over 700 more children today and tomorrow. the obama administration is planning to provide lawyers for kids who face possible deportation. since october more than 47,000 children have been caught trying to cross the southwest border. that's a 92% increase from the same period last year. all of this comes as virginia congressman, the chairman of the committee that handles immigration legislation, is stepping up his criticism of the obama administration's enforcement and slamming their efforts to help some undocumented immigrants avoid e deportation. he accused them of quietly making changes of the program that stops the removal of the children known as dreamers were brought into the u.s. illegally by their parents. the story overnight and the images that are coming with it,

i saw some this morning with kids of aluminum foil blankets over them, really disturbing stuff. you look at the pictures and it humanizes the immigration debate. but we just show the news from bob. if they want to kill immigration reform legislation, he can. if house republicans want to to kill it, they can. no matter how stories we get, that is the story of the immigration saga. right now there's still no sign it's going anywhere. >> it's interesting how the story goes. i saw the explanation there's been a surge of folks over the border now. congress has almost got an little bit of a reprieve in terms of its inaction over immigration because during the recession when the economy was doing terribly, immigration over the border generally declined because people weren't feeling great about coming here.

now i think we're going to have to face a lot of these kind of difficult stories and the questions all over again with even more urgency because the economy is improving here. economically driven immigration and that sort of thing is going to come back now that the economy. >> what happens? let's say there's no congressional miracle, no immigration reform legislation that gets through. what happens? what is the future? >> the first thing i want to say is the whole immigration debate is crazy. republicans kind of keep dangling and plugging in it and unplugging. there is no immigration bill that's moving. that's not happening. that's not a real thing. they have used this idea of the e deportation thing to push the white house to delay their immigration deportation changes on their own. yesterday at this breakfast i was talking about, he mentioned the same thing. if we delay this process, it will make it more possible about immigration reform. i don't know who thinks this is

an actual thing that's going to happen. there's immigration reform possible. but they keep mentioning it to force obama to change his direction on this. they don't want to see the deportation shift. they don't want to see this stuff happen. in terms of what happens to the situation now, the administration has had to step in as they have had to do right along and they have had to step in and had to do task force, they are trying to do this ticketed power to deal with the problem. right now we have left it on the shoulders of obama. >> the state governments that had to deal with this now. >> i want to add on something that you said. you made an interesting point before which was during the recession, immigration slowed to a trickle to the united states. but what ramped up was the number of deportations by the obama administration. >> which was a political thing.

we want to get the republicans off ourbacks. >> talk about good faith effort. we're deporting people now. now you know we're serious about immigration so do something about immigration reform and right now for the chairman to say that the president and administration isn't doing anything on immigration is ludicrous. >> we passed multibillion dollar border bill. we have done -- >> the senate bill, it wasn't enough. they beefed it up again. >> this is what happens when you keep moving the goalpost to the right. honestly, i don't think the obama administration's deportation policy is strictly politically motivated in terms of concessions. this has been their policy pr the beginning in terms of deporting folks at a faster rate than even bush it did. they are enforcing existing laws, there's been a debate, though, as to whether they are actually abiding by their own principles of deporting folks

just with criminal records, the right undocumented immigrants as opposed to the wrong ones. everyone has gotten swept up in this though. this has been the policy from the very beginning. >> we talk about these deferred deportation. the executive action, this is becoming the story of the obama administration. nothing is happening there. what can be done from an executive standpoint. thank you to the panel. we'll see you all later in the show. first, president obama takes the most dramatic step to fight climate change that any president has ever taken. can he do it without costing his party the senate? we'll go to the 2014 battleground and find out, right after this. ldlife rescue effort. because it's tough on grease, yet gentle. ♪ you by my side makes the little things so good ♪ be a part of the bigger picture. go to facebook.com/ dawnsaveswildlife.

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change. there's immediate political question, could this cost democrats control of the senate this year? >> today epa is proposing a clean power plan that will cut carbon pollution for our power sector by using clean energy sources and cutting energy waste. >> that was the epa administrator announcing new regulations to require power plants to reduce emissions by 30% by 2030. climate change has become a priority issue for the democrats particularly with au larming reports documenting the severe toll it is already taking with congress unwilling to take steps on its own. there's a lot of satisfaction on the left. but that relief and satisfaction does not extend to the democratic candidate and what may be the closest in most crucial senate contest this is year. allison grimes is challenging mitch mcconnell in kentucky. this is a state where coal has been a way of life for more than

a century. for mcconnell, the new epa rules are a perfect opening to tie his opponent to president obama, whose numbers are already low in kentucky to start with. mcconnell's campaign released a statement saying it is a fact that allison grimes lined up as a delegate behind barack obama after he waged a war on coal. her concern now that she's a candidate after helping to ensure it by backing obama is insulting and transparentally political. outside groups are blasting grimes and president obama. >> he's determined to destroy coal and elect liberals like allison grimes. her record, grimes was psi lent as obama attacked coal and she endorsed his reelection. >> the president lost in kentucky by 23 points in 2012 with mitt romney winning all but

one of the 30 counties in kentucky that produced coal. last month's primary according to the lexington herald, she underperformed. almost immediately after the new regulations were announced, grimes sought to distance herself from the white house and neutralize mcconnell's attack. >> mr. president, kentucky has lost one-third of our coal jobs in just the last three years. now your epa is targeting kentucky goal with pie u in the sky regulations that are impossible to achieve. it's clear you have no idea how this affects kentucky. >> grimes campaign manager also went after mcconnell saying while it is heartening mitch mcconnell turns his eye to coal country every six years to bet reelected, the senator's new bill does nothing. that's a bill to try to block many of the epa's new rules. we have said it before but kentucky is a race that could

change the math of the 2014 election. right now republicans need to pick up a net total of six seats and that's something that's plausible. but if grimes can beat mcconnell, ha number moves to seven. so the question is whether democrats in coal country can have their cake and eat it too. can they take sweeping action in washington and at the same time not undermine their candidates in a critical senate election in a state like kentucky. or is losing kentucky and possibly the senate the political price that comes with trying to wean america off carbon. i'm joined by congressman john yarmath, he's a supporter of the president's epa proposals. first of all, that fact at the end there, explain how you from the coal country state of kentucky, how can you support president obama's war on coal? >> of course, i don't accept the premise that this is a war on coal.

i think this is a fight for the environment and for the planet. but what we have seen over the last five years is an interesting transition. i was part of the group that negotiated on the bill in 2009 which was known as the cap and trade bill to make it much more amenable to kentucky's situation where we get 92% of our energy from coal-fired power plants. we did that in a way that would have minimal impact on kentucky's economy. and mitch mcconnell and the senate killed that bill. now to hear mitch scream about it is disingenuous. >> jobs wise, it's about 17,000. that's a lot of jobs. are you saying you don't worry about the economic impact the new rules will have? >> i don't really worry too much about the economic impact. i worry about what's happening to our coal miners but that's been happening as we transition

from mining to mountain top removal where we scoop the coal out. we lost about 80% of our coal jobs over the last 30 years basically because of the process and also because more crete ly about the low cost of natural gas. it's not epa that's cost coal mining jobs. it's market forces. it's phenomenal to listen to mitch mcconnell and republicans who preach about the free market economy and then when the free market actually is working as it will in the energy field, he complains about regulations, which vice president be which haven't been that much of a fact. >> it's grimes in kentucky. she said this week, mr. president, stop your war on coal. you are in probably the most democratic friendly district in kentucky. can you realistically run

statewide and say what you said on air this morning? >> no. you have to say what allison says. that's perfectly understandable. >> do you think she means it though? or is she saying what e she has to say to get elect ed? >> i haven't talked to her about it. i take her at her word. she's spent more time in eastern kentucky than i have. she has a lot better assessment of what the people there are thinking. but the rules as they came down require kentucky to reduce our emissions by only 18% over the next 16 years. that's little more than 1% a year. we're decommissioning coal-fired power plants as we speak. they are going to eliminate and replace it with a natural gas plant. so it's not going to be that much of a burden on kentucky to reach that goal. and epa actually took our situation into consideration when they created the

flexibility to allow us to come up with our own plan and set our specific goal at something that would not have a disastrous impact on the economy. i really have a lot of confidence that over the next 16 years we can reduce our emissions by 18% without destroying our economy. >> congressman john yarmuth, if anybody thought he was running statewide, i think he took himself out of the running. the panel is going to weigh in next. at farmers, we make you smarter about auto insurance, because the more you know, the more we can help you. cut. lower. shave. chop. and drop your insurance rates.

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reactions. >> it is a war on coal. you can argue it's also a a battle for clean energy and alternatives, but it's a battle to get us to o use less coal and to get us to cut carbon emissions that way. there are going to be casualties. the congressman mentioned this just in passing what has been ignored. i was in eastern kentucky last year for a story i did about the human impact of this on the tens of thousands of coal miners that lost their jobs there. this is not just because of obama regulations. that's just one part. but there's a human toll for this. are these folks going to get new jobs? this is partly why it hits home for voters in kentucky. and we need to sort of acknowledge the fact this is going to be a difficult transition on a human level. >> i'm always so suspicious in general. i appreciate the congressman coming on. when a president or any elected official makes a decision like

the president made this week, there are going to be winners, there are going to be losers. people who like it, people who don't like it. to take a step back and look at the politics of this, we're talking about this in 2014. it just so happens the democrats' chances of hanging on the senate depend on states like kentucky and red states, west virginia could be a competitive senate race. when you take a bigger picture view nationally, you take a poll nationally, this is popular. nationally the democrats have a path to the white house that doesn't include a state like kentucky. it just so happens that in 2014 this could cause them a real problem in the state of kentucky. >> the white house has really insisted this is not a war on coal. >> what white house is going to declare a war on coal? >> their basic argument is that the idea here is if coal plants, obama embraced the idea of clean coal and maybe environmental movement don't believe are real

things. that's part of the conversation. i think that -- look, political politically, on the one hand it's not as though they were going to run against obama already in the kentucky race. what you have going on there, especially in kentucky, you have this weird obama care split when mcconnell is like let's get rid of obama care, but i don't know that it changes the strategy very much. whatever obama does. >> so you look at this race now, allison grimes, democrat running. can she win still? >> yes, if she keeps doing what she's doing. she's a terrific candidate running against the president and washington. she's doing exact ly what e she needs to do. of course, he can be for what the president is doing. he's in a comfortable district. but grimes is running statewide. she has to criticize the president on the affordable care act.

she has to criticize the president on coal and whether she believes what she's saying, that's up to her and her conscience. but if she wants to be the next senator from kentucky, she has to reflect the people from that state. i'm uncomfortable with the phrase war on coal, but there will be casualties, people that lose their jobs. but only if congress would pass a climate change bill and fund things like alternative energy, wind, solar, all sorts of thing, those people losing jobs in kentucky could be retrain ed to be part of the new energy sector. >> this is president obama's approval rating is 28% or something. in a way it's a miracle the race is even. it's probably going to stay even through november. here's a tough one for democrats. a republican facing a grave threat from the tea party wants their help. that's coming up. we are the . the job jugglers. the up all-nighters. and the ones who turn ideas into action.

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his chaerge, but a third candidate picked off just enough votes to deny mcdaniel an outright majority. and that triggers a run-off between the top two vote getters. so they will square off again on june 24th. this time without the third candidate on the ballot with them. in the early expectation are this is the challengers race to lose. cochran's support is soft, that might melt away knowing how vulnerable he is. the karl rove group american crossroads which had been defending cochran has decided to abandon the senator leaving him to defend for himself in the run-off. tuesday night the campaign headquarters was practically celebratory. >> this is an historic moment in

this state's history. and because of your hard work, because of your dedication, we sit here tonight leading a 42-year incumbent. >> meanwhile cochran who serve ed in the house or senate since 1972 didn't speak publically on tuesday night fueling he might drop out instead of risking a defeat in the run-off. but he's back on the campaign trail. they still hope the baggage will lead republican voters to turn away from him. the open question of the investigation into the bizarre nursing home episode where they are charged in a conspiracy to p publicize a photo of cochran's bedridden wife. he denies any involvement but the issue hasn't gone away either. he spoke to a confederate group

that advocates secession and made more than his fair share of tasteless comments. >> what if we immigrate south. let's go to mexico. you know a dollar bill can buy a mansion in mexico. >> do we have it to learn spanish? >> yes, regrettably. just enough to ask where the bathroom is. >> do you have a sister? how do you say that in spanish? >> i said it a few times for fun. you're a fine looking young thing. >> his team wants republicans to be thinking about eligibility. that is a seat for republicans in the fall. but with mcdaniel could be in play for democrats. this week normal noited travis childers who opposes abortion and voted against affordable

care act. but an argument in a mississippi republican primary might be a tough sell. after all this is a state that hasn't voted for a democratic presidential candidate since jimmy carter carried it and barely back in 1976. the last democrat sent to the senate was a conservative democrat who generally voted with republicans all the bayway back in 1982. cochran is doing something you don't see any republicans doing these days, courting democrats. cochran's campaign is trying to expand the lek rat for the run-off. that means playing out to those voters. that may be why cochran decided to talk about voting rights. it's an issue of great importance in mississippi. mississippi is 37% african-american making it the state with the largest black population while black voters tend to vote for democrat, they

are free to participate in the run-off as long as they didn't vote in this week's democratic primary. the strategy have a chance of working for cochran or stir resentment and backfire on him? henry barber is a republican strategist who runs a super pac. appreciate the time this morning. an electability argument, i don't know if i heard that in the last generation or so. that's a tough sell in mississippi. how do you make that argument? >> i think people realize even more that chris mcdaniel is an embarrassment. he's said so many public statements and bizarre events in his campaign that people are concerned that this guy is going to be an embarrassment in the senate. but more importantly, people see this as mississippi's interest that thad cochran is going to

protect versus those that don't care anything about mississippi. they have mcdaniel saying things like not sure if he would have supported katrina relief. he wants to gut our public schools. no federal funding of education. says it's unconstitutional. $800 million for k-12 education that he says is unconstitutional. >> does the republican base, the tea party base, the story of the movement has been it's a revolt against the federal government, that they spend too much money. i can remember growing up in massachusetts. ted kennedy got in trouble in 1994 running against mitt romney and he went to i got money for this, money for that. it's massachusetts, they loved it. but we're talking about the tea party and the argument that you guys are making we need the federal money for this and that. has the conservative movement sort of created a beast here that you guys can't contend

with? do they want to hear that argument? >> chris mcdaniel is riding that anti-obama wave, but he's ridden it as far as he can go. you have to understand that senator cochran has voted against the liberal policies of obama. h he voted against big spending, but he's going to look out for interests for our universities, our public schools. if a hurricane hits us, he's going to fight for us. he's not going to be like mcdaniel and satisfy the guys that hijacked the tea party. people are rightly concerned about spending. we kbet that and senator cochran has fought against that. >> so what happens cochran finished 1,300 votes behind. what happens if that happens again? if chris mcdaniel is the nominee, first of all, you know all the national party folks.

do you expect they are going to abandon this race if chris mcdaniel is the nominee? >> i don't know what they are going to do. i don't think mcdaniel is going to be the nominee. i don't think we'd nominate somebody who would cut our spending. i don't think we'll nominate somebody who says he's against tort reform. >> i'm asking if he is the nominee, because he did get more votes, do you want the republican party nationally investing in this race or do you think they're not going to? >> i think republicans are going to unite behind our nominee. now i do think if mcdaniel is the nominee, democrats have a chance. but i will tell you democrat voters in mississippi are scared to death of chris mcdaniel. i guarantee there's some of them who are looking at this june 24 run-off is and thinking, you

know, if we're going to have a say in who our senator is going to be, we may want to think about voting in this. and thad cochran got 700,000 votes the last time he voted. there were 300,000 votes in the republican primary. that's 400,000 people who have voted for cochran before, call them swing voters, and they have to be thinking i want to have a say in it who is going to represent us and our interests. >> there's the case right there from somebody supporting thad cochran. i want to thank henry barber, appreciate the time. that's the perfect segue for the other side. because this raises a real question for democrats. the on the one hand f they had to choose between cochran and mcdaniel, democrats would probably rather have cochran. they don't agree with him on much but he will occasionally break with the tea party. the american conservative union recently ranked him as by far the least conservative republican senator up for reelection in 2014. as we just mentioned, cochran also brings some serious federal

money back to mississippi. a lot more than mcdaniel probably would. do democrats in mississippi throw cochran a life preserver now? do they head to the polls and vote for him because the alternative of actually having mcdaniel in the senate is just too unacceptable to them? or we ask this, do they get mischiefous? travis childers, within the past two weeks private democratic polling show that the party's norm nominee former representative travis childers would start statistically tied with mcdaniel. a race against cochran who is well liked would be difficult to the point of futility. instead of helping cochran, should democrats show up at the polls and vote pr mcdaniel to give their party a chance of winning in the fall? there's a real argument about whether the strongest democrat candidate could beat mcdaniel where the electorate is more polari

polarized. there's an argument there aren't enough real swing voters for any democrat to win a race. so what are democrats thinking as they watch thad cochran try to fight off the tea party? let's ask the chairman, ricky co cole. you heard henry barber making a raw appeal for democratic votes for thad cochran in the run-off on june 24th. you may not like him on everything, but he's better than the alternative. what do you say to democrats who are thinking about voting on the 24th? >> good morning, steve. i believe that a mississippi republican running on public education is about like hailey barber doing a slim fast commercial, it's going to be quite a stretch. in the ten years since barber was elected governor, we funded education one year. the republicans oppose funding for early childhood education. we don't have pre-k in mississippi. they are for vouchers,

privatization, they have done nothing to help with student loans. i just don't think their strategy will sell. >> do you want democrats to vote for mcdaniel so you have a shot at this thing in the fall? >> i don't think we have a dog in this hunt. >> there's a big difference for you. >> the difference is in style, not in substance. >> electability. we played those radio quotes from mcdaniel, we got the issue of the nursing home. there's the issue about the campaign workers and an investigation into the voting place behavior. you have democrats telling national publications, one of them saying the opposition amounts to a kill shot. . that's one of the things quoted in the press this week. there's a huge difference, isn't there? >> no, that's the conventional wisdom. but the conventional wisdom has been wrong so far. your guest a few minutes ago said last december that chris

mcdaniel would have his head handed to him in this primary. . we recruited a candidate because we know this is a winnable race. this is the first competitive senate race in mississippi since 1982 in an off year. president obama got 563,000 votes in mississippi. this election is about three things. turnout, turnout, turnout. and we can win. >> my thanks to ricky cole. we're talking about a general election in mississippi. when's the last time you heard about that? there's a new development in the race that took shape overnight. we'll tell you about it and hear about it from the panel. that's next. we have more details surrounding the car accident that left comedian tracy morgan in critical condition this morning. we know there were six vehicles involved in the accident on the new jersey turnpike. two tractor trailers, an suv, two cars and a a limo bus morgan

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an update to one of the strangers stories out of mississippi this week. the hinds county district attorney will investigate how people were locked in the courthou courthouse. ballots pr the primary were in the courthouse. a local sheriff looked into the matter and said no crime was committed. back at the table, the panel is

back with us. . this mississippi senate race, three people stranded in a courthouse. talking about the support his candidate is going to get for public education, federal money back to mississippi. the world is upside down. >> it's old school southern politics. every state in the south has that phrase, you don't know what it's like down here. mississippi they do things differently. it's really true. cochran is running for more of an old school style campaign. he's saying what he can actually give to people and bring to people. >> they don't want to hear that. >> what's so interesting about both of them is it seems like each is almost a character of what the other side wants to

think of it. in terms of the tea party, negotiate with elements, this sort of weirdness that you can't display. he's the establishment. he's bringing the pork home in terms of federal spending on education, food stamps, agriculture, the stuff that frankly a lot of those red states take up in the south in places like mississippi, louisiana, kentucky. but it's become basically in politics say that in front of republican audiences. i think it's sort of this interesting case in extreme. >> when you put aside the weirdness and the craziness, this is an old fashioned fight for power within the republican party. you have the establishment versus the tea party folks who find themselves in nursing homes and getting locked in courthouses, but what we're seeing in mississippi is the fight within the republican party that we're seeing all

across the country where you have establishment figures like senator cochran trying to hang on to their u seats in the face of an insur jant force that's been sweeping across the party since 2010. what we're seeing with mcdaniel and the craziness happening there is that they will go to any length to get power and i didn't think that was what the tea party was all about. >> one of the story lines has been how weak and comically weak the tea party candidates have been. mcdaniel because he's the race they are pouring their heart and soul into beating cochran, this campaign is comical. >> it's true. although the difference too is we talked about the other tea party candidates who flamed out in other races and never really gotten any traction. one of the reasons is that cochran is the exception to what every other republican senator has done.

they have watched bob bennett lose to a tea party challenger. they watched lugar lose. so they basically embraced tea party ideology, rhetoric so they have nothing left to complain about except what they used to be. but cochran, it strikes me and i listen to henry barber and i don't blame them because what else can you do? you need more votes. if the tea party base wasn't with you, they are not going to be with you three weeks from now. if you can get democrats to vote, get them o to vote. where else do you go? >> i think you just answered your question. if you're senator cochran, you have to do everything possible to get one more vote than the crazy dude than who is on the ballot with you. if that means going against everything that republicans have been running on, which is running against pork, running against food stamps, against the

federal government. if doing the opposite is what it will take o to get you back to washington. >> the reality is that republicans, they may say they are against these kind of things, but they voted for the farm bill with gigantic subsidies, and they did cut back on food stamps. they are not out there, but i do think basically cochran's campaign is relying on the distinction between know whag you say what you do. in reality whatever kind of tea party rhetoric that the impact of the tea party has had on the republican party, we still do give really big hiccups to a lot of corporations. i think that's the reality. >> the mississippi democratic chairman wouldn't say it there, but i'm curious if democrats are going to vote for chris mcdaniel because if thad cochran is the

norm nominee, i don't know. mcdaniel could easily win in the fall, but he could lose. the question for democrats in mississippi, are they going to think strategically like that or that could backfire too. i want to thank our panel. lindsey graham was talking about impeachment this week. we'll show you what he might have been up. fancy feast elegant medleys. inspired dishes like primavera, florentine and tuscany. fancy feast. a medley of love, served daily. is still fresh on day 30, we installed an aged clip in this taxi.

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nodding on the right. that's just the point. because to understand at least part of what graham is up to, you have to know what's happening this coming tuesday. that's when lindsey graham is due to face the very conservative republican elect rat in a gop primary. this has been a primary graham has been very concerned about. he's been viewed with suspicion for his willingness to occasionally break with his party. graham voted for supreme court justice sonia sotomayor's nomination. and bob bennett lost to tea party. he watched the same thing happen in dick lugar and may be happening to thad cochran in mississippi. so lindsey graham has known that this primary on tuesday could be a problem for him. he admitted once that his basic strategy is for keeping the tea party base at bay. any time you challenge the president, obama, it's good

politics. so graham said that last year. the good news is he's way ahead in the latest poll, but the catch is that south carolina is a run-off state. so if he did you want get up and over that 50% mark, one of those challengers will get a one-on-one shot at him in two weeks on june 24th. while he would be heavily favored in the run-off it would be a serious headache for him and tea party groups that have so far ignored this race might get interested. run-offs can be very unpredi unpredictable. so the question is is lindsey graham poised to fight the tea party off or is his tea party headache just getting started. here to try to answer what's in store for him is jamie self with the state newspaper in south carolina. thank you for joining us this morning. give us the bottom line. e we look at that poll. not close in a traditional sense, but the number is 50%. he's very close now. there are still some undecided. is he going to get over this

thing on tuesday? >> i think that we're looking at 35% of the voter who is are still undecided and the conventional wisdom is if graham can pick up some of those votes, then he will be safe. you also look at polls in this race and not just the recent one, but previous ones and you see that his challengers have really struggled to sort of break out of that one digit ranking. >> he's gotten lucky. there's been a bit of intentional in terms of his strategy, but he didn't draw a top tier opponent so he dodged a bullet there. the national tea party groups haven't paid attention. we have that quote we read where he basically said, he gave it away. any time you attack obama, it's good politics. that seems to be the pattern with him. he reminds me of what arlin spector used to be. we would work with democrats,

annoy the right. then come up for reelection and lead the charge against anita hill. he would always get in good with the right when it mattered most. it seemed so transparent that's what's going on. it doesn't seem like the transparent nature is registering with republicans in south carolina is it? >> i think smsing that that folks talk a lot about with senator graham. another example is his support for a 20-week abortion ban. his conservative opponents would say, he's just pandering. this is something he's doing because he's running for reelection. graham's campaign would say that's not true, he's been supporter of limiting abortion all along. so you kind of have that tension there with him. >> i guess that's the question. if he does clear 50% this week, and then he's going to get six

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live from studio 3a in rockefeller center usa, it's time for up against the clock!

today's contestants his sense of style is well known to our viewers, but he learned to tie a bow tie here at 30 rock. this is jonathan capehart. keith is a two-time runner up who is confident three times is a charm. welcome back, evan santoro. and she's spent months work ong her skills buzzing in just off her 20th consecutive win on actual "jeopardy", today this champion competes for the chance to add $50 in flofl to heroi her winnings, julia collins. and here's steve kornacki. >> thank you to everyone out there tuning in at home. welcome back for a historic

edition of up against the clock. julia collins, we have never had a contestant as decorated as you. you handled alex trebek with mastery. what do you make of the new show? >> i'm intrigued to see how i'll do. >> we're excited to have you here. your chance to go up against a game show legend. >> thrilled. >> let's get to the rules. this is a fast paced political news and current events quiz. three rounds, each of them 100 seconds long. questions are worth 100 points in the first round, 200 in the second, 300 in the third. you can ring in any time, but you will be penalized for wrong answers. there are two bonus questions scattered throughout. our contestants will be playing not just for victory but a chance for our tournament of champions. but to qualify contestants have

to first win today. i will implore our live studio audience. please no outbursts. i u will now ask you to put your hands on your buzzers. 100 seconds on the clock. the first round will begin with this. hillary clinton's latest book "hard choices" released this tuesday. what's the anymore of her first book? >> jonathan? >> living history. >> incorrect. >> it takes a village. >> the champion is on the board. construction equipment giant caterpillar announced they are hiring this former obama transportation secretary. >> ray lahood? >> correct. 100-point question. president obama will speak about education and the rising cost of college on tuesday on this popular blogging platform that -- >> tumblr. >> correct. good exciting news for you.

that was the video bonus trigger question. you will now have a chance to add an extra 100 points to your score. we have asked a celebrity to read a famous political quote. all you have to do is identify who said it and you'll get the extra 100 points. no penalty for guessing on this. take a look at the video monitor. here is legendary actress and star of the classic 1980s abc television drama "life goes on." >> this week's up against the clock asks what mayor the subject of a 1960 tony award winning broadway musical famously said there's no democratic or republican way of cleaning the streets. good luck. >> what's the answer? >> laguardia.

>> no penalty for guessing. the round continues with this. the national committee announced friday they have raised more than a million dollars from the sale of yellow, orange and blue striped socks fashioned -- >> george h.w. bush. >> correct. a column published by reuters this week urged first lady michelle obama to follow in hillary clinton's footsteps and run for the senate in 2016 in illinois against this republican. >> mark kirk? >> that's correct. a press conference with david cameron on thursday president obama referred to the sport of soccer as this. >> football. >> he called it football. correct. more detainees were released republicans may make barack obama the third president -- >> evan?

>> incorrect. i'll finish the question. the first president to be impeached. >> andrew johnson. >> that brings us to the end of the first round. jonathan to 100 points. evan and julia are tied for the lead at 200. the stakes are about to get higher. the 200-point questions. we'll put 100 seconds on the clock. there they are. we go with this. a story this week about president obama described a budding friendship with this seven time nba all star and former miami heat center. >> shaquille o'neal. >> incorrect. >> lebron james? >> incorrect. >> alonzo morning. on thursday oklahoma joined indiana and became the second state to drop the education standards -- >> common core. >> that's correct. 200 points.

president obama's trip to europe this week included a meeting with the recently elected president of what country? >> ukraine. >> that's correct. it was reported this week that before setting out to run in a heavily hispanic congressional district. scott fis ler legally adopted -- >> caesar chavez. >> that's correct. in a vote of 78 to 17 on thursday -- >> time. >> the senate confirmed whom -- >> sylvia burwell. >> that's the bonus question. you have a chance to double and scoop up an additional 200 points. here's the deal. i have here a follow-up question. it is related in some way it's worth 200 extra points.

but if you're wrong, you will lose those 200 points you just won. so it's your choice. i have the follow-up question. >> i got this far. i got to do it. >> go for the lock. >> that's your final answer? >> i'm doing it. >> sylvia burwell hails from what state? >> west virginia. >> that's correct. 200 points. put the clock back up on the board. e we pick it up with this. dunkin' donuts, kmcommemorated national donut bayday but offering a free donut is head quartered in what new england state? >> massachusetts. >> second straight state question. second in california's primary for governor, neil carry won the right to face-off in november

against which democrat? >> jerry brown. >> that's correct. that's the end of the round. evan on a tear. 1,400 points. julia at zero. this is the 300-point round. you can make this gap up in a hurry. let's see if they can. let's put 100 seconds on the board. get the music ready. the third and final round begins with this. thad cochran who is currently fighting for his political life in a run-off ran for the top leadership position in the senate in 1996 but lost to this other mississippi senator. >> hailey barber. >> lock. >> that's correct. annette boz well turned herself in 24 hours after losing in what state? >> south dakota?

>> correct. this tyrant was declared reelected this week -- >> assad. >> that's correct. what is the name of sergeant bowe bergdahl's hometown? time. it is hailey, idaho. 300-point question joining with the area around its nearby international airport shs the city of seattle this week raised its minimum wage to what value? >> $15. >> that's correct. 300-point question. the state of iowa will for the first time be represented by a woman in the u.s. senate if this republican nominee. >> joni ernst. >> 300 points. the department of labor announced yesterday the unemployment rate held steady at what level? >> 6.3%. >> correct. >> if california chrome wins the

belmont stakes later today, horse racing will have the first triple crown racing since 1978. that's the same year that the first popular elected african-american senator was defeated for >> can we name the state? >> no. we will call time. correct answer is ed brook of? >> massachusetts. >> evan mcmorris santoro, a world record, 2900 points. that is a shockingly impressive performance, congratulations, evan. bill wolf is going to tell you what you won. >> as our champion, your name will be engraved using the finest sharpie ink on the all new resistant up against the clock gold cup. you'll receive a dvd copy of the 1988 film "cocoon 2" personally autographed by wilfred bremly.

and a gift certificate for the street vendor operated by a former chef of the russian tea room. i had it for lunch today. delicious. enjoy the meal and congratulations. back to you, steve. >> all right, thank you, bill wolf. evan, you got a chance here at some street vendor food and a copy of cocoon 2 with a forged autograph. i have your bonus question. friday was the 70th anniversary of d-day. the allied invasion began at normandy, france. name two of the five english names of the normandy beaches. >> sword and gold. >> we'll accept that. evan, you have won the bonus! what a day for you! we are pleased to present our official giant fake check to you. evan mcmorris santoro, 2900 points. he defeated the 20-time jeopardy champion. what an amazing performance.

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all right. we are back. julia collins, i can't thank you enough for doing this. it goes without saying, incredibly impressive performance by evan but to win 20 straight times on jeopardy, the breadth of knowledge required to do that is still -- it's something i couldn't -- i would kind of collapse on "jeopardy." tell us your best "jeopardy" story. >> oh, boy. i answered the question, it was somebody something something and the answer is what is getting shot in the face by dick cheney. that was a high point. >> it was the correct answer. >> oh, that was definitely right. >> evan, you have now defeated -- you've now defeated somebody that almost nobody could defeat at a game show. how do you feel right now?

you're eating a cruller. >> this is a victory crullor. >> i think julia on made me step up my game. honestly, you're really good at "jeopardy." i've been at home so many times pretending i could do it and then you see somebody kill it like that. >> jonathan and evan, they were having their doubts about competing. >> i was correct. >> anyway, i want to thank evan, the new "up against the clock" champion. julia collins, she will always be a 20-time "jeopardy" champion, jonathan capehart thank you for joining us and thanks for joining us today. sunday we have an exclusive interview you will not want to miss. five months after she appeared making allegations that chris christie administration withheld sandy funds for her city. dawn zimmer will be back. she's here to talk about that and about life after coming

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