thank you so much. >> thanks. and you can join melissa on her show every saturday and sunday morning 10:00 a.m. to noon. prime time attack. let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. a right wing group has produced a television ad to air tonight during former secretary of state hillary clinton's first prime time book interview. it's a particularly vicious ad charging the possible 2016 hopeful with joining in the slander of israel. that's the word, slander. it attacks hillary clinton for not attacking home run successor at the state department, john kerry, for using apartheid to describe the condition of the jewish state.

kerry said the failure to establish a separate state for the arab pop laying would put israel in a terrible predicament of being a democracy or a jewish state. is it to punish clinton for not being pro-israel enough, which seems like a hard charge to make, given her past position as secretary of state and united states senator for new york. is it to intimidate to take a more hawkish stance on israel. usually this is the sort of nastiness you see in a final efforts of a campaign. it's also unfair, so disgusting, it might just unite this country left, center and moderate against the hate mongering crowd to put this thing on the air. hillary is as pro israel as anyone in the country.

to attack her is to commit the very crime, slander, of which this villainous ad accuses her. david corn and kiki mclean was asked to work on the book rollout this week. the ad was put ou by bill critical's group and will air during the clinton interview tonight. let's watch the ad. >> secretary of state john kerry said israel could become an apartheid state. america's most prominent jewish groups condemned kerry, but not hillary clinton. democratic party organizations called on kerry to apologize, but not hillary clinton. democratic senators and congressmen criticized kerry but not hillary clinton. when john kerry slandered israels, democrats spoke out. so why not hillary clinton? >> what do you make of that ad? let's go with the timing of it. it's time to coordinate exactly, coincidentally with what rollout this week?

>> it is no surprise that desperate people frequently attempt to leverage something off of hillary clinton for their own personal gain. this ad is clearly that. you know what's really sad about it though is it's not about secretary clinton. what's sad about it is it does nothing to help peace in the middle east. those people who would argue with that are just bald faced liars. >> let's be really objective here. i think hillary clinton is a regular democrat on israel, meaning pro israeli. i think she's right there in the normal spot of being supportive whenever she can be. and on issues like the settlements, she's been more than favorable to israel. when obama said you have to talk the settlements to talk peace, she said no, that's putting too much pressure on the israeli government. >> columnists repeatedly talk about the possibility that israel may have an apartheid problem down the road, as john kerry said.

>> i've been thinking about this since i was in israel in '71 for a month. the problem is you have all the arab people who are muslim living in the disputed territory since the '67 war. i that ear growing in population faster than the jewish population. by the year 2020, six years from now, it's projected there will be nor arab and christians than jewish people. and therefore you have the problem. there it is right there. so that's a problem. people believe in zionism, in a jewish state, believe in a democracy have a conundrum. >> there are a lot of people who support israel who see this as a problem. this is something to talk about. not to turn into a demagogue for attacking hillary clinton for not doing anything. it has nothing to do with anything she said. most ads try to at least distort your own words. >> listen, i think objectively, even when kerry said it was the

use of the word apartheid, which is obviously laiden with all kinds of bad. >> what you have to be aware of is this has nothing to do with hillary clinton. they're trying to yiesz hillary clinton in the hopes of getting a pop of press out of the deal. well, if we cloak this in hillary clinton. >> the ad is viciously anti-her. >> but if they hadn't had her in the ad and just ran an ad against john kerry, would you run a segment about it. >> i have a theory it's about three things. first of all, just an old part sab ad. they don't want any democrat back in the white house for another eight years. because that means 16 years seize guys are out of work. >> check. you got it. they're working for heritage foundation or american enterprise. these people who write op-ed pieces for a living, make them senior fellows. that's all they do for a living. they really want to be back and be undersecretary of this and that. >> that's exactly right. they're going to use anything they can against hillary. some people will accuse her of

being too hawkish, some of not being hawkish enough. it will go back and forth. you know, people tended to like her, even conservatives, when she was secretary of state. and now she's going to be portrayed as being feckless. they'll do whatever they can. remember, this is being given to us by bill crystal who gave us the whole iraq war -- >> why is he so tough on her, of all the democrats that might be nominated, she's not dovish. >> they don't want any democrat. they want back in the white house again to have another iraq. >> you mistake it with a desire to be in the press. let's be honest. when he attacks her, it's not about the true intellectual exercise. what you and david are talking about is true. this is a woman who believes and a leard who believes in an integrated foreign policy, that you've got to have all the tools there, you've got to have both diplomacy and development right along with defense to deal with things. and so they're not really out to make a legitimate argument. they're about to make a point.

>> let's make a point about her back which includes a memo about russian president vladimir putin in which she writes, don't appear too eager to work together. don't flatter putin with high-level attention. decline his invitation for a presidential-level summit in moscow in september. and one of the first times she spoke about putin's actions in crimea back in march, she said if this sounds familiar, it's what hitler did in the 1930s, on whether to arm the syrian rebels, she writes, i returned to washington reasonably confident if we decide to begin arming and training moderate syrian rebels we can put in effective coordination with our regional parties. the president's inclination, president obama, was to stay the present course and not take the significant further step of arming rebels. no one likes to lose a debate, including me, but this was the president's call and i respected his deliberation and decision. let's go through both ways of looking at this thing.

it seems to me, and i said this positively, that i believe hillary clinton's position on sere y arming the moderate forces, if you can find them, on the iraq war back then, issues of dealing with putin, how tough to be. she's more the hard line side than the president. i think he's a softer line. most people would say. but i also think it's the sweet spot. i think the country probably in the next election wants somebody a bit more hard lined. go ahead. >> i don't think her position on syria is a popular position. either she believes it or she thinks it's a good political position because she wants to be more hawkish. we talked about this a little bit more last week. it's an interesting question to me. does a woman who wants to be president feel more compelled to come across as tough because of people having concerns about women in leadership roles than she might otherwise be? >> the only people who think that are guys. >> but she doesn't think about male votes? she has to get a few male votes to win.

>> the reality is she has a tremendous record of secretary of state, from her time in the senate. and what she does is she believes, as i said before, in having all the tools in the tool box. you know, is she a hawk because she spoke her mind there and laid out what were strong points of view asht action? or is she a dove because she went around the world lifting women and girls up. she called it strong power. they go together. i had the great fortune to be on her to her first trip to asia. and that was as much about opening up the pacific and shifting a -- >> her remark on hitler, though, was very ill advised and seemed to have a reflective action as being tougher than the president and being, really, the bill crystal camp much to prematurely. it's not right historically. it wasn't helpful. it just seemed like she wanted to be out there to use tough rhetoric.

>> i think she answer a question in a frame in erm tofs a sequence of events that happened in history. and what would the sequence of events -- so you think it was smart to reference -- >> i think it was a effort to communicate there are parallels in history that we need to pay attention to. >> fair enough. the questions are going to get tougher. >> they're not tough already. >> let's go. >> i don't need a coach. what's the reasonable assumption by the voter out there who's undecided. is it reasonable to assume hillary clinton will be more hard lined than president obama? a notch or so to the right, if you will? >> i think that's a false choice, chris. >> i'm just asking. is it a reasonable assumption to make? >> i think it's an unnecessary assumption. i think that history and actions in the world are moving so quickly no two presidents will be measured on the same spectrum anymore. >> but people have to vote. >> she definitely tried to do that in 2008. that was the political space she

tried to occupy. >> people are dovish -- >> if she makes the decision to run for president -- >> i think she made that decision a while ago. >> but let me go this, i think one of the reasons she lost in 2008 is sh esupported the iraq war resolution and this time around i think she made a smart move to recant that. do you agree? i've given her credit. she snuffed it. it's over. but i think the question, you have to look at the pattern. i think it's a fair question and we will have it here for a year and a half. when she comes time to formally endorse herself for president, probably a year from now, we'll have you back. thank you. a real pro here. coming up, top aide to governor chris christie admits under oath that his boss waited four months to ask him about the infamous closures on the george washington bridge. and then the governor refused to

tell the press what he heard that bridget kelly knew that they were a form of political payback for him, the governor. and wait till you see what the republicans of texas just put in their new platform about gays. hint, it's about turning them straight. and tonight, we're learning chilling new details about the police ambush in las vegas carried out by white supremists. finally, let me finish tonight where i started, the shot across the bow of hillary clinton. this is "hardball." the place for politics.

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linking her to the lane closure. and today, we heard testimony from a heavyweight inside christie's office. his chief of staff, kevin o'dowd. christie has repeatedly said he only had two direct reports to him, and o'dowd was one of them. o'dowd testified today that governor christie asked him to personally question bridgel kelly last december and by all appearances she said she had nothing to do with the lane closures. here's o'dowd. >> i said bridget i need to ask you about the lane closures. she said something like sure, what about. i said did you have anything to do with closing the lanes at the george washington bridge? she responded with about -- absolutely not. >> did you find her denial credible? >> i did. >> why? >> bridget kelly was someone i had worked with and known for four years, someone who i thought very highly of,

hardworking, energetic, loyal. someone who i believed and trusted. >> and it's not just bridget kelly in the spotlight either. today we learned an interesting events that preceded chris christie's denials into the lane closures. we'll get to that in a minute. thank you for joining us. i see you're sitting outside the state assembly there. brian, you start, you've been on this show before. you know what i want, the crux of what happened today. i'm watching the whole thing and i'm saying what's interesting is what nobody seems to say. why did christie, the governor, go through this sort of very formalized way of asking what happened, sending the one guy he talks to. why didn't he ask bridget kelly himself. the answer tells him hey, there was a complaint by the mayor of ft. lee he was getting screwed by the governor's office. that never gets into the press

conference the next day. the governor is asked about it, he asks like he didn't know anything about any politics here, when, in fact, he was told by o'dowd, the guy who testified today, he knew exactly what was going on. there was an accusation of political payback by the mayor already at work in his office. he knew about it, got it from his chief of staff. wouldn't tell the press. why was he hiding all this information if he was supposedly coming clean? >> chris, it's important to remember the time line here. when these investigations are going on, they know there's a clock that's going to run out in early 2014. the committee that's investigating this has subpoena power, but that subpoena power was due to expire. and i think if they thought they could just run out the clock, make it seem like nothing was going on. you see what's happening there on the 12th of december. that morning, kevin o'dowd finds out, walks in on this meeting at the governor's mansion with bill stepien, asks bridget kelly, gets a denial, has a meeting

with bill barone, tells him that he's toast, but tells him also that he's going to get set up with a new job with another political consultant, i think christie is tying up a bunch of loose ends and preparing to wait out the clock for only a few more weeks until the subpoena power expires, then they think they're going to be scot-free. >> tell me about the reporting. what is the news value of today's testimony from the a.p.'s point of view? >> i think first of all, this is the highest ranking christie official to testify. and so this is someone we hadn't heard from before. we had seen some of his interview notes in the mastro report. this is a chance to hear him up front, get him to answer questions firsthand. we learned also he said, like the others, he had no direct involvement in the lane closings or any knowledge of it. and he also answered another key question, or didn't answer

another key question. he said he was not aware of anyone who may have had that knowledge. and he certainly doesn't know why it occurred. so his testimony todayed a danced the ball forward a little bit, but we're still left wondering what the key answers are here. >> four months into a controversy, the governor of new jersey finally asks his chief of staff to very carefully, almost hermetically sealed go talk to another staffer where he's not in the room so he doesn't get infected by information. it's so nixonian. the whole thing about, you know, just trying to make it look like you're investigating when you're not. anyway, christie's chief of staff testified today he didn't want to know why christie wanted him to talk to bridget kelly. he never asked why the governor asked him to talk to kelly. here he is. >> he said ask her whether she had anything to do with closing the lanes of the bridge. >> did you ask him why?

>> i did not. >> did you ask the governor if you should ask questions of anyone else? >> i did not. >> did you raise to the governor any question about whether there were other people that you should make inquiries of? >> i did not. >> it's so nixonian. the governor targets one staffer, and he has his top person go to that person, again, hermetically sealed, so he's not listening to it. and he can always deny everything. o'dowd must know what he's supposed to tell the governor. he don't know what he tells them because that's between the two of them under oath. the whole thing is so carefully run by someone who doesn't want to get blamed. clearly. >> that's right, yeah. someone asked the question pointing out there's 31 years of prosecutorial experience combined when you look at the staffers in the governor's office and nobody had any curiosity. the line they keep saying here is there's a cure os lack of

curiosity when it comes to what's going on here. it's baffling, right? you find out about the e-mail. you never check with the person who received it or the person who sent it. there are long phone calls that happened. no one ever does any follow-ups. no one checks back on anything. you're seeing, to some extent, you ear seeing -- their defense has been, this is an administration full of prosecutors who would never do anything illegal. the flip side of that is, it's full of prosecutors who studied corruption cases up close and know what can get you tripped up and know what can get you in trouble. and they've determined that they have determined they're not going to do anything that will implicate them or give them any legal exposure beyond what they already have to take by having the jobs that they have. >> angela, it seems like the story today is it puts more and

more heat on bridget kelly. the focus of the discussion, if you take out the politics and maybe some common sense, you're left with the fact that they're all pointing to bridget kelly. she did this on her own as if she's out robbing gas stations. the question i keep asking is who do you think she was doing this for? the governor's re-election. she's hand in glove with the campaign on this. she's getting information from the people in the campaign. a few hours later, she takes the steps to close the bridges in some kind of retaliation and they're acting like she's the bad guy when she's hand in glove with the campaign. i don't know what that means. if she's been dog trained and does it on instinct because she's told, your job is to screw the enemies of the governors. and she gets caught and he said i didn't tell you to screw that one guy, then she's caught holding the bag. >> it's very interesting, the conflicting portraits of bridget kelly that has emerged.

when christina rena testified earlier before the committee, she talked about how bridget kelly who was someone who couldn't make a decision on her own, she couldn't have possibly acted alone. today you heard something entirely different. kevin o'dowd said she had nothing to do with the lane closings. she said no. why? he was a hard worker. he trusted her. she had never lied to him. you heard something very different today than you heard a few weeks ago. >> and just imagine this. the entire george washington bridge apparatus obeyed bridget kelly when she said shut down the lanes. what's the context of that? as you just said, angela, very well. who gave her all this authority. all this political license to do something like this? where did all that come from? this assumption that she can call the shots all by herself at the same time they try to say, she has no power. well, she shut down the bridge. somebody gave her that power. thank you,er brian murphy. thank you angela de la santi. >> of back to "hardball" and

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>> of back to "hardball" and time for "the side show." president obama faced tough criticism from both sides of the aisle as details emerged last week about sergeant bowe bergdahl's time in afghanistan. even my friend bill maher acknowledged some of those concerns on his show on friday night, but not without adding some characteristic levity to this tragic debate. >> there are aspects of this story that are controversial. like this guy may have been a deserter. which is not good. you can't just fantastic up and leave in the middle of your job. you're part of a military unit, not the governor of alaska. of course, the other

controversial aspect of this is that obama kind of did do it illegally. i mean, you are supposed to give congress 30 days notice, but the administration's excuse for that was bergdahl's life was in immediate danger. and that's just because the taliban was driving a gm truck. anyway, next up, i was honored to have a brief cameo on hbo's "last week tonight" with john oliver. if you missed it here, it is. >> and now, chris matthews reminds everyone who he used to work for. >> i worked in a business of politics back when you had people like o'neill, tip o'neill, my boss. i worked for tip o'neill. my great boss, tip o'neill. tip o'neill, my old bisz. tip's guy. tip, tip, tip, tip o'neill. by old boss tip o'neill loved "the golden girls." you can put me down as a loyalist.

up next, ted cruz 6 to a whole new level. not too good on gays, these guys.

s.w.a.t. teams in los angeles have captured an armed man after an intense car chase and standoff. the suspect fled when officers tried to arrest him for allegedly making criminal threats. county clerks in wisconsin are issuing marriage licenses to -- gay couples. back to "hardball."

>> welcome back to "hardball." while ted cruz proves he's a hero of the haters on the far right, cruz was greeted with chants of "run, ted, run" this weekend as a defense of marriage rally where he delivered a speech defending marriage between a man and a woman. and what sounded like a warm-up to a presidential campaign, he told the red hots at the texas state republican convention that their liberty is under asalt. >> what we're doing is we're building a grassroots army in texas and all across this country of men and women who are saying we will not go quietly into the night. we will not give up on the united states of america. we want our freedom back. he showed off a side of the party pra traditional republicans don't want you to see. the platform said hoemt sexual tears at the fabric of society. but that wasn't enough. quote, under the new plank, the texas gop recognizes legitimacy

and efficacy of counseling which offers reparative therapy and treatment for patients seeking healing and wholeness from their homosexual lifestyle. the tea party candidate running for lieutenant governor down there, he said we have to hold the line until some of those other states wake up and start voting republican again. so is this what the republican party plans to run on in 2016? hate? howard fineman is a political analyst, part of the media group. i wonder what is texas all ant about? or is it the texas gop? how wide is this infection of hatred. very traditional people are moving towards acceptance, if not celebration.

what's wrong with texas? >> good question. this must just be the texas gop, chris. because texas is one of the most urbanized states in the country. we think of the wide open prairie, but three of the ten biggest cities in the country are in texas. and as we know, cities tend to be more tolerant places. tolerant of all different kinds of people who live there. houston in particular. a very large and active gay community, lgbt community. he can't be appealing to texas broadly. it's just to that faction of the texas republican party. >> what about this wayback machine they've got. that turns gay people into straight people. isn't michele bachmann's husband in that business? i don't think it works. i don't think gay people like hearing about it either. >> by the way, at the convention

in ft. worth, at the republican convention in ft. worth, which had 7,000 to 8,000 people bills itself as the world's largest gathering of republicans, there were quite a number of people under the surface who were against the change on gay rights. >> what did they want? >> well, they wanted to take the language out? >> not go further. >> yes, there are some young libertarian republicans who wanted to go the other way. they were steam rolled in texas. they won't be steam rolled other places. look at george p. bush, he's in favor in the bush family way of expanding outreach to hispanics, looking for sophisticated ways to expand the republican party. he got steam rollered, too. >> i don't think it's just texas, frankly. i think texas is the red hot center of the current grassroots -- >> yeah, the country makes faces. >> the culture war republican party which still exists. goes back to pat buchanan.

>> aren't you on target? the republican con fab in texas remind med of another gop gathering in houston back in 1992. and here's pat buchanan that year, which they really didn't want on television, but it was. >> i watched that giant masquerade ball up at madison square garden where 20,000 liberals and radicals came dressed up as moderates and centrists in the greatest single exhibition of cross dressing in american political history. the agenda that clinton and clinton would impose on america. abortion on demand, a litmus test for the supreme court, homosexual rights, discrimination against religious schools, women in combat units. my friends, we must take back our cities and take back our

culture and take back our country. >> you gene, i think i remember the phrase, block by block. >> right, right. let's change the neighborhoods the other direction. i thought he was pretty direct. a lot of republicans thought that was their death knell, talking like that. and now here they are in 2014 going right back at it. >> is it in the interest of the establishment to sharpen up their pitch forks and go after it again? the answer is no, it's not. but there is a faction, as howard said, that is energetic, that is throwing in a lot of money, that is going to be a factor in the republican party that has been pulling the party to the right and keeping the party from moving into modern times. and i think it's, you know, this fight is going to continue. >> yeah, you wonder about any large crowd. the certain percentage of the

population is gay. and you wonder, don't nose people wince when they're not in that crowd? >> there were some in the crowd, from my understanding. >> are they thinking why are they hating me? >> the thing is, chris, this is a world view, a sort of, we are under assault, we are under a siege world view that pat buchanan did capture in '92. i was at that convention that night. and within that hall and within that world, it made sense. pat buchanan made sense at that moment to many of those people in that hall. and ted cruz does the same, not only in texas, but elsewhere. don't forget, it's cruz's mode of power, as far as i can tell, that was the main instrument in pulling a lot of these senators, incumbent senators, republican senators to the right and scaring them to the right. so thengd run in and survive

primary races in their states. this isn't just about texas. texas is the holy land of this particular secular religion, and they're proud of it. and there are other place where is that resonates. and there's going to be a big battle in the republican party in 2016 to design who's in control. >> by the way, we're watching -- >> the ted cruzs of the world, or some other -- >> i was watching that performance by ted cruz. it's an evangelical, televanglist type of -- >> absolutely. >> no podium, physically almost connecting. i was thinking of all the applause lines in recent years. when they list the number of executions in texas, the people go wild. they don't know if the guy is guilty or not, but they love the idea of an execution. they talk about the gay soldier concerned about some policy. they boo him. the applause meter has become a frightening reader of this sentiment. >> if you listen just to this stuff, it is kind of frightening.

ted cruz is really good at that, right? he's really good at speaking off the cuff. and he can just hold a big hall in the palm of his hand. i'm waiting for the speaker for the establishment republicans who is as charismatic and as forceful and is as direct as ted cruz is to take him on. i vice president seen that person yet. after. >> i don't think the two senators from tennessee can match this guy. it's funny as long as it doesn't hurt us. but these guys are there. we had this in the past and we laughed at it. up next, details of the chilling anti-government ambush out in las vegas. wait tell you catch this hard right horror. you have time to shop for car insurance today? yeah. i heard about progressive's "name your price" tool? i guess you can tell them how much you want to pay and it gives you a range of options to choose from. huh? i'm looking at it right now.

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>> tracy morgan remained in critical condition after a crash in new jersey that killed another passenger. morgan who starred on "saturday night live" and "30 rock" suffered a broken leg, a broken nose and several broken ribs and expected to remain hospitalized for several weeks. the driver of the truck had not slept more than 24 hours when the crash happened early saturday morning. we want to wish our friends best wishes to tracy and the other victims of that accident.

>> we're learning more about the cop killing in las vegas. according to nbc news yesterday before the rampage, the couple left home with a shopping cart of weapons. they ran into one of their neighbors, quote, we got to do what we got to do jared miller told kelly fielder, adding that he and his wife amanda were departing for an underground world. that's what they said. amanda miller then embraced the neighbor and said i'm so sorry. less than six hours later, the couple stormed into a feet sa

place where two police officers were having lunch. today, the las vegas sheriff's department described in grisly detail what then happened. jared miller shot one of the officers in the back of the head. the other tried to react but was shot in the threat. then they fired multiple shots into his chest. here's what happened next. >> when the shooting finished, the suspect pulled the officers out of the booth and on to the ground, where they placed a gadsdon flag on officer beck and a swastika on to have of his body. then they pinned a note to officer saldo that basically stated that this is the beginning of the re lugs. >> well, the couple fled to a nearby walmart. there they killed a civilian who tried to confront them. then amanda miller shot her

husband before turning her gun on herself. according to the las vegas sun, jared and amanda miller had a reputation for spouting racist anti-government views, bragging about their gun co-lex and boasting they had spent time at cliven bundy's ranch during a recent standoff there between armed militia members and federal government agents. anyway, brian levden from cal state san bernadino. on top of his body. at that point mr. jared miller then pinned a note to officer soldo that basically stated this is the beginning of the revolution. brian levin is the director for the center for study of hate and extremism and dylan scott with talking points. brian, tell me about this couple, what we know about their politics if you want to call it that. >> look, they had a presence on social media. and they were allegedly at the bundy ranch. these were folks who posted a

manifesto talking about a war and liberty and tyranny. i'm not trying to demonize conservatives but on his facebook page he had a lot of likes for mainstream political organizations. and i think that is a message that we need to be responsible. for instance the nra who once called government agents jackbooted thugs gets a like on his facebook page. in addition he had a picture with a conspiritist named richard mack who has been known within the antigovernment militia world for many years spouting conspiracy theories. >> i was thinking of somebody else in nevada talking about second amendment remedies, this lingo out there, it's a gun. that is when you shoot somebody if you don't like them. >> one of the most striking posts i saw on his facebook page going back more than a year is an extended tiradebed anybody who opposed second amendment rights needed to leave the

country or die a traitor's death. >> any interest to other amendments? >> i didn't see others. >> it was reported the millers spent time at the ranch. one of the bundy's sons told the associated press the couple was there but was asked to leave due to the husband's criminal history. here is an interview done by krnv at the ranch. >> my name is jerad miller. the federal government isn't all mighty god. they can't go around pushing everybody around. i feel sorry for federal agents that want to try to push us around or anything like that.

i don't want violence towards them. if they want to bring violence to us if that is the language they want to speak we will learn it. >> explain that. do you think these people are spending a lot of time with the federal government? you can spend most of your life and not deal with the federal government if you are smart. why do they feel they are being intruded upon by washington agents? >> they do not view the federal government as we do, as representatives of us. what they regard it as an oppressive force with elimination of our rights. i think it is noteworthy that a lot of these conspiracy theories have a presence or grudging acceptance within the mainstream because they are expedient. we need to stop the demonization, birtherism and conspiracy theories. >> alex jones, you are saying he went on the radio and said the federal government created this thing and the two people didn't shoot the police officers and

the civilian at wal-mart. what do they think did happen if it didn't happen as we saw it happen? >> he thinks it is a false flag operation like the boston marathon bombing. there are conservative people of good will and wonderful folks on that side of the fence but we have to have an agreement about process and demonization and resolving conflicts. and more broadly to the left, as well, something about a culture of violence that exists. this guy would have been an extremist no matter what. we don't need to aid and abet him the extra. we have people who are unstable and who have their aggression amplified and directed by messages that they get in the culture. he was on facebook. he put up a manifesto. we have to be careful with the messages we send out. >> on a free society we can say what we want. we have to be careful we are not leading people to do stuff.

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you can't be too careful about the nasty possibility that they might be stuck out of the cold for another couple of presidential terms. that is "hard ball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. there is a scandal brewing in virginia tonight. in january as you may recall former governor bob mcdonnell and his wife were indicted on counts for allegedly accepting more than $165,000 in gifts and loans from a virginia business man. they go on trial next month. it centers on this man, philip puckett until today was a