at reynolds high school in troutdale, oregon. one student and the gunman are dead. a teacher is hurt. this is all happening on the second to the last day of school. let's start with nbc's pete williams, who has been working the phones. what is the latest you can tell us? >> we will get some more details out of this news conference, but it does appear to be basically as we have known it for the last couple of hours, that there were three people shot today, two of them killed, one student, the person with the gun and a teacher, todd, a track coach and health teacher, who received a very slight, superficial wound on his hip. he was not even transferred to the hospital. his friends say that he's otherwise okay. the shooting took place according to several witnesses and law enforcement officials in a locker room or at the -- near the gymnasium of reynolds high school, which is the second largest high school in oregon. so it's a big school, about

2,800 students total, though they were not all there today. now, officials say they're pretty confident at this hour that only one person was involved in the shooting. however, we've heard from several students that at least one student who was coming out of the building after the shooting was found to have a firearm, but i'm told by several law enforcement officials that they've determined that that was not related to today's shooting, that was someone who had no connection to the shooting. they're now satisfied that person was questioned by the police and we'll get more details. i'm relatively confident about that. there's a new conference coming up in just a moment. perhaps police will identify the person who had the gun. i'm reluctant to say gunmen. we believe it was a male who had the gun. that's what several witnesses have said, students who were in the area. perhaps we will also learn how

the person with the gun was killed. some told us the person with the gun died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound but others have said they have not determined that with certainty. perhaps we'll hear more shortly about how that person was killed and who that western was and why they were there. as you say, just as the school was about to end. most of the seniors were not at school today because they'll be graduating two days from now. many of them were not there. this was a large school, has four classes, 9, 10, 11 and 12th grades. it happened at around 8:00 this morning. so the school was not full at the time of the shooting. after the shooting, the parents -- the pictures you're seeing are from a nearby supermarket parking lot where parents were told to meet up with their students.

many of the parents had known that their children were okay because they had called or texted them on cell phones. the students, after searched at the school, were put on buses and reunited with their parents. it was a long process because all students were searched to make sure only one person was involved in the shooting. then police had the very difficult chore of going through this entire school, searching every room to make certain there was no one else involved in the shooting and that there were no other victims. but the best information we have now is that two people were killed, and one person, this teacher, received a very slight wound. >> pete, do we know if law enforcement has completed the sweep of a school building and going from room to room, checking to see if nobody else was there? >> nobody has confirmed that to me. they obviously want to do that as quickly as they can, they have to do it methodically and slow slowly, but they don't want to take all day to do that. now the difficult process is

unfolding, trying to reconstruct precisely how the shooting took place. the police will be doing that work, the state police and folks from the bureau of fbi and federal bureau of tobacco and firearms so they can reconstruct exactly what happened. >> luke russert here. do you know anything about the shooter? do we know anything else? >> we've only gotten descriptions of what the gunman looked like, hearing from students who were in the area at the time. several of them said he appeared to be wearing like a bullet-proof or tactical vest. some of them said he was carrying -- and they say it was a he -- carrying what looked to them like an assault rifle, like an ar-15.

some shell casings have been recovered from the scene that would be consistent with that type of weapon. others say the person was wearing a helmet, like a motorcycle helmet. but we don't know who it was. several of the students also say that the person with the gun appeared to be pursuing or chasing this teacher, todd rispler, the teacher who received the minor wound. whether that's correct weeshs don't know. so often in the several minutes after these shootings happen, you get a lot of conflicting was in and that's what the police are trying to sort through now. they want to interview the students, too, because they're the eyewitnesses. >> in terms of what the motive was for the shooting, obviously something we don't know at this point, do you expect us to learn that in this press conference or that we don't know for a long period of time? >> it depends on what happens

with the students. they'll have to go do all the background work, go to the person's house, see if there are any clues here. so sadly here we've seen a string of these where basically these are copycat shootings or what appear to be these troubled young people inspired by see these events play out elsewhere. so many times we hear the people responsible for these shootings were very interested in other mass shootings and had acquired a lot of information about them, sometimes idolized the young people who carried out these shootings in the past. i think one of the things we'll want to learn is how fortunately this ended relatively quickly. >> thank you for the update on this story. we turn to jim cavanaugh, a retired a.t.f. special agent and

hostage negotiator. i wish you were here under better circumstances. i was hoping you could pick up on what pete was saying there. we seem to be seeing these sorts of school shootings on the rise, increasing in frequency. is that in fact happening? and to what do you attribute that trend? >> i think it is happening. i think there's a lot of factors in it, krystal. pete mentioned copycats, people not be able to deal with stress in their lives, mental health issues certainly, guns everywhere, family members who doesn't lock up their guns. i've been to many of these school shootings over my almost 40 years as a uniformed policeman and a.t.f. commander and often times we found the gun came right out of the home. it was the parents' gun. the parents trusted the young person with the gun. they'd gone hunting, the father or mother taught them correct

gun handling procedures and so forth and wouldn't believe their child would do it. the issue is teen-agers are just developing, and if this turns out to be a student, we haven't verified that but if it turns out to be a student, somebody not fully developed in their reasoning and pressures, all teen-agers have pressures in their life. one thing that can reduce sh shootings today, every parent, grandparent, if they have guns in their home, make sure those are locked up in their homes and they can't go to the school. two guns in the school, one involved in the shooting, one not. we can do better. >> agent cavanaugh, it sad to have you on to discuss what's becoming this frequent american tradition, but from your standpoint from the details we have learned, what pete williams

said, this shooter seemed to have pursued a teacher, one student was killed. what does it mean that this seems to be an execution of a certain student and pursuing of a certain teacher. it does not seem to be shooting into a crowd from what we've learned so far. >> we're going to have to see how that plays out. i agree. that's an important factor. you've put your finger on it. is it revenge on the teacher who might have failed the student or for some other reason, disciplined the student? we'll have to wait and see. or is it a student who just entered the building bent on mass murder and he was confronted by the educator, the teacher, the coach? that remains to be seen. that may give us a little insight into the motive. but certainly when someone goes to a school like that to shoot somebody and kill somebody, they have suicide also programmed in. they're not seeing the consequences of their actions as something that can be relieved by, you know, normal process. they see murder and suicide as the answer.

>> jim, we've had you on before when we've had school shootings. you mention all the normal things that we talk about, being a teen-ager, potentially mental health issues, access to firearms issues, but these are almost always things perpetrated by men. can you talk about the nature of young masculinity in america as part of this sort of trend that we're seeing of men going to school and exacting revenge or acting out their anger? >> you know, toure, that's a great point. i really think that we need to have better education of young people into how to deal with setbacks in your life and consequences of your actions. if you go back and talk to these school shooters that have survived and are in prison, they'll tell you how much they regret doing it, how much of a mistake it was. the shooter that just was recently up in the northwest and

went in the school and said he regretted doing it. regretted doing it almost the next day. they all regret doing it but they're going to regret it in prison for the rest of their life. but students should think about this, the consequences of it. and also how do i deal with setbacks in my life. students have to understand that adults face many setbacks. every one of your anchor there is didn't get there without some failed trip, setback in their life, in school, in their job. that's how they got there, they overcame the setbacks. there's other issues like suicide and mental illness but there's also failure to deal with consequences and thinking that picking up a gun and killing people is the answer. anti-government zealots, as we've seen this week, we saw it also in canada with three mounties killed, we saw it in georgia with a crazed gunman

trying to kill everybody in the courthouse and we saw it in las vegas. so that's a separate motive, but it's also in our society as well. >> jim, i want to remind our audience, we are waiting anymore moment on this press conference on this terrible high school shooting in troutdale. jim said students came in a little later, some teachers came in a little bit later, which also means students might have had to step up to the plate and protect the other students from what's going on? how well are students equipped to handle a situation like this? >> that's a great question. they're better equipped than they used to be. it's sad to say about it's a good thing. they're doing the three things you need to survive. you need to flee, if you can't

do that, you barricade, if you c can't do that, you fight for your life. you attack, you hit the gunman with whatever you can. the coach might have engaged the guy. we had a case this week where a hall monitor pepper sprayed a shooter when he was trying to reload. he was faced with a choice, having to attack a gunman without a gun. so, yes, i think the students are doing the right things. it sad to say they have to know how to do that. >> let's bring in security expert anthony roman with roman and associates. thank you so much for being with us today. we don't know a whole lot here, we don't fwknow a lot of detail about the shooter. we know that the shooter is dead, we node thknow that one t was injured. what do you think are the most important and relevant details here? >> looking into the individual's background, that is the shooter.

they're going to be going into his hard drive, looking at his friends, interviewing family and other witnesses that know his state of mind in the last couple of weeks, the last month. if he'd been seeking mental health, they'll be looking into those records and interviewing the psychiatrist or psychologist as well. these shootings are just becoming far too prevalent here and it's gone beyond the call for gun control. it's gone to a scream for gun control. >> and pete williams earlier was saying often times this ends up being a copycat. what goes through your mind the minute you see something like this breaking on our news banner? >> i am sadly shocked every single time. and i don't understand why congress is silent on the issue. i simply -- at this point we've lost an entire school of children, elementary school children, every school is vulnerable to this. the response is absolutely

spectacular and your last guest was absolutely correct. we've got i don't know so much better at the response, but we really need to be so much better at the prevention. >> anthony, we're about to go here live to the press conference. what are some of the warning signs that you -- i'm sorry, we are going to go to that press conference now of law enforcement in troutdale, oregon. >> unfortunately we had a very tragic incident this morning at reynolds high school. one student is deceased as a result of a lone gunman who entered the school. the lone gunman was also deceased at the scene. we are in the process of notifying the next of kin for both. we have tentatively identified the shooter, but we're not confident enough at this point to reveal the details. i can tell you that the weapon

that was used is a rifle. in addition, one teacher was injured with nonlife threatening injuries. the teacher was treated at the scene. not related to this incident and during the evacuation process, a gun was found on one person. this is not believed to be a part of the incident. that person was taken into custody. the investigation will take some time, as can you imagine, and we have several tactical teams working through this investigation at this time. for reunification for the families, we have located a spot at wood village fred meyer for parents to respond to pick up their kids. i want to thank all the law enforcement agencies that came to assist us, as well as the

nongovernmental agencies, such as the trauma intervention program. there will be several days of healing and ongoing attention given to the students and the staff and anybody impacted by this tragedy. i also want to thank superintendent florence. we have two school resource officers at reynolds high school. they were the first responders and they responded immediately. they and another tactical team brought this to conclusion and i can't thank them enough. now i'd like to introduce the superintendent, linda florence. >> this is such a tragedy. my heart goes out to the individuals involved and to their parents. i, too, want to especially thank

our first responders. they're our school resource officers, and for our students and staff who did some real quick thinking and went into lockdown within seconds of hearing about the active shooter. i also want to thank our students and staff and teachers who did an excellent job, a calm job, of evacuating the school today. and for implementing all of our safety procedures that we have at the school. parents are meeting their students at our fred meyer wood village parking lot and being checked out with our school staff. students who need mental health, someone to talk to, we have lots of counselors available, and for students who are already at home and need some additional help, i

have a phone number for them to call. multnomah county mental health at -- later today we'll be also notifying our parent and students of school closure. there are some things that we will have to do, some work that has to be involved. so later on today we will be notifying them of that. so thank you. >> hello, i'm the mayor of troutdale. this has been a very unsettling day for our precious city. i've been on the cell phone all morning long with the news media. they've shown quit an interest

in what is going on in this small city in this suburb of portland. i really want to say and i shared with them that i'm very impressed with how the police handled this whole operation. i think going through a dry run a few months ago helped, and the school police officers helped a lot, but i am very impressed with the cooperation amongst all the police departments that showed up. and there were a lot of them. i was watching on the news to see how many police departments showed up along with the sheriff's department the so my heart goes out to all the families. that's all i have to say. thank you. >> thank you. we'll have another media briefing tentatively set for 4:00 p.m. this afternoon, same location. we'll let you know once i confirm that. we're unifying students again,

it's occurring at the fred meyer parking lot. parents, you can contact the reynolds school district, 503-661-7200. we will be at that location until we make sure everybody has connected. the troutdale police department has set up a tip line for witnesses or anyone that has seen part of the incident or knows information about the incident. 503-250-7943. witnesses can call that line. >> we return from the live press conference. we heard from the police chief, the school superintendent and the mayor of the town. not a lot of new details. they say they have tentatively identified the shooter. they are not confident enough yet to release that person's identity. they said the firearm used was a rifle, and we have anthony roman

here of roman & associates, an expert on investigations. and what is that investigation work being done right now? where does the investigation go from here? >> well, it's going to be both forensi forensics, scene forensics, forensics at the shooter's home. first they'll examine it to be sure there are no booby-traps, bombs and other types of explosive device there is or any chemicals that could injure anybody in the immediate in a si -- facility. they have to isolate that apartment, probably using robotics. then they'll enter with forensi forensics, examine the entire apartment and then if it's seen there are any affiliations with radical groups, there may be

other investigations at the very least. >> jim cavanaugh, i think about this other student who was detained, who so far we don't think that student had anything to do with what happened, but this other student who was detained who was found to have had a gun, i think about what is the impact on all of our children from the normalization of these incidents to where they fear they may have to do this drill for real, where they fear they may need to take a gun to school to protect themselves? >> right, toure. it's an excellent point. we as the parents as a nation have to stand up. we have to elect the people who will make the changes to our federal and state laws that will at least reduce these instances as best we can. that's the mental health area, firearms area, school security area. there's a lot of things to be done. if the people we elect won't do it, we need to elect new people that will. you're right. students will see this on tv and

as pete williams mentioned, many times the students study other mass shooters. the newtown shooter, he studied columbine. you see that all the time. people are studying other mass shooters and using those tactics and techniques. but the signs are often there. we can interrupt a lot more of these than we do. i don't know that we can stop every single one. i think anthony made some of those points, but we can do a much better job if we will just sit down and do it. what it comes down to is who you vote for and what they're going to vote for when they're in there because that's the changes that's got to be made. >> we need some people in there with some courage. anthony roman, jim cavanaugh, thank you for helping us out with this breaking news story today. >> and coming up, a case of friendly fire that on the surface doesn't seem so friendly. ♪

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. the taliban is back, but were they ever really gone?

official talks between the u.s. and the taliban were called in 2012, but optimists were hopeful the group was turning a new page, albeit small. they negotiated indirectly with the u.s. threw qatar for bowe bergdahl for the return of five guantanamo bay detainees. the u.s. military was prepared for the worst. chuck hagel called it a possible opening. today the taliban is back at it. the group says they're behind this week's airport attacks in karachi, pakistan, the nation's busiest airport, killing at least 11 members of the airport security force. monday in southern afghanistan, the taliban ambushed u.s. troops making security sweeps at local polling stations. the firefight was so fierce, the

united states troops called in backup. it came in the form of an irstriiair strike. but this one went horribly wrong. five american forces and one afghan was killed possibly in friendly fire. how did it happen? let's start in germany where sergeant bergdahl is recovering. richard engel is there. tell bus the region where this happened and this incident. >> reporter: this has long been a very dangerous place for u.s. troops. in fact, it is often considered one of the most dangerous parts of afghanistan, a big stronghold for the taliban. i've spent quite a bit of time there over the years. it is a very lush, green area, lots of orchards, generally foot patrols. and when troops are attacked on these foot patrols and this was a training mission today with

special u.s. forces, they are attacked by the taliban, they called in for close air support. it means just that, can you usually see the plane flying right overhead and dropping bombs. this time the bomb landed right where the americans were, killing the five americans and one afghan soldier. friendly fire incident is the worst possible thing that can happen to a unit. i've had the unfortunate experience of having soeen in afghanistan a friendly fire incident up close. i was with a unit. they called in in this case mortar fire and the calculations, something was dropped, somebody made a mistake, from the phone call that was made on the radio to the relay station to the person who was adjusting the mortar, same kind of situation. they were calling in for fire support, something went wrong, the mortar shell landed right

where the troops were, killing one soldier. this time five soldiers were killed due to the errant bomb. the military will take this very seriously and i have no doubt they will conduct an absolutely thorough investigation. >> terrible news right there. let's bring in peter alexander and patrick murphy, the first iraq war veteran elected to congress. gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us. former congressman murphy, i'll go to you. just in terms of this discussion about afghanistan, has the u.s. moved to pull out? obviously it's still a very delicate security situation there on the ground. i'm a big believer that security on the ground is directly tied to economic stability, and something that hit me like a ton of bricks this morning was a front page story in the "washington post" that the afghan economy had been growing at 14% a year, it's only going to be growing at 3.2% this year, a lot of that due to the fact that all this money the u.s. had put in to afghanistan is

starting to recede. "the washington post" said that slowdown reflects the declining american spending and also apprehension about security. what does the future hold in afghanistan with a smaller residual u.s. force, as well as an economy that's going into decline? >> as you know, the most important aspect of afghanistan is the afghan people. it can't be an american solution. that's why i'm so hopeful about this runoff election this saturday in afghanistan. you have two candidate, both have the pleasure to work, unlike, frankly, karzai with the u.s. government for a better future for afghanistan. that's why also, luke, you see the taliban doing these operations like last night, this attack, which was very ambitious against u.s. troops because they're trying to send a message and scare people from going to the polls. >> peter, how is the administration viewing all of this? this comes a little more than a week after the bergdahl swap and

secretary hagueel made it prett clear this swap would somehow open the door to a dialogue with the taliban that they've not had since 2012. watching this happen this last day, are they rethinking that? >> reporter: the white house officials have made it clear they've been willing to engage in a dialogue. the president reaffirmed this commitment frankly in the course of the last couple weeks. his address at west point, his comments in the rose garden announcing the drawdown taking place in afghanistan, the only way the solution to afghanistan is there needs to be a reconciliation between the new afghan government to be elected this saturday and the taliban specifically there.

one of the points you were making, though, is the concerns that exist among the afghan people right now, even representative murphy just a moment ago were talking about the economic situation there. u.s. aid in that country has accounted for roughly 75% of the gdp in afghanistan since 2002. so obviously there are grave concerns among the people there about the economic security but also the security of them in general given the fact that the u.s. will be leaving there and the taliban has reaffirmed its commitment to continued violence, at least as evidenced by what's happened in recent day. >> congressman, friendly fire incidents have grown rare but even one is tragic. what more can we do? >> toure, in this case we had special operators, their backs were against the wall. this b-1 bomber came in to provide cover and unfortunately five americans and one afghan were killed. that brings up to 2,330

americans who have given the ultimate sacrifice and 20,000 of a -- afghans who have given the ultimate sacrifice, as well as civilians on the ground. my cousin from philadelphia is offer there, he's an air force lieutenant colonel. and these guys are accurate, but this is the fog of war. as peter said, these things happen in war because it has to happen so fast, so quickly and so lethally, it's hard to second guess after the fact. but they save much more lives than they've hurt by friendly fire. >> absolutely. such an important reminder. >> peter, other news in the region, sunni militants are using this new event to critique administration policy both in syria where they say fighting is spilling over the bored near

iraq and critiquing an agreement that would have allowed some troops to remain in iraq. what's the administration's response to all this? >> reporter: let's be very clear what's going on now. we have witnessed now these forces, al qaeda effectively has taken over three of the 18 provinces in that country. there's a ground swell of growth in that effort to overcome the efforts that the u.s. has been supportive of the iraqi security forces to try to gain security in that country right now. the white house aide said to me a short time ago that a large scale military occupation is not the solution here. more than 100,000 american troops there could not prevent a civil war from taking place. the white house has said, the administration said they would support senator carl levin's amendment that would allow for the department of defense to help provide more resources to

train those forces, opposition forces in syria right now. but therein lies a problem, to not provide military support or too much military support that may be allied with al qaeda. they believe the only way to shift the balance of power is to support opposition forces in syria and hope it can swell throughout that region. >> peter alexander, thank you. congressman murphy, thank you. before we go to break, yesterday on this program one of the tapes we played had offensive and inappropriate language. we sincerely apologize for our mistake. (mother vo) when i was pregnant...

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hillary officially started to campaign -- i mean her book tour this morning. more than a thousand people eagerly awaited outside barnes & noble for the release of her much anticipated book "hard choices." once inside, intendees were told they'd have an entire 4 seconds to meet our possible presidential candidate. clearly not enough time to ask her about the controversy she's already running against even before she's running that she and bill were, quote, dead broke, when they moved out of the white house. she tried to clarify that this morning on abc. >> we came out of the white house dead broke. we had no money when we got there. we tried to piece together the resources for mortgages, for houses, for chelsea's education. it was not easy. >> let me just clarify that i fully appreciate how hard life is for so many americans today. it's an issue that i've worked

on and cared about my entire adult life. bill and i were obviously blessed. we worked hard for everything we got in our lives and we have continued to work hard and we've been blessed in the last 14 years. >> if you want to hear more from hillary, and really who doesn't, tune in for the full interview tonight on "nbc nightly news." check your local listings. but first, more on hillary's campaign -- i mean book tour. why do you keep getting that wrong? howard, look, this is a tone-deaf comment when you are the ex-president, you know, you are only broke on paper. you have an opportunity and an ability to make money like few people in america. but the fact of the matter is that it is actually accurate. in 2000 they had about $800,000 in assets and they had about $10 million or $11 million in legal

bills. now that changed very quickly. it was pretty much gone by 2004. but the fact of the matter is what she's saying is accurate because middle class people have a hard time making it work in public service. >> okay. well, first let me say, toure, i miss you because i'm here in new york. >> he's finally joined us at the table. >> and i decided to come over and see you guys from d.c. and lucky for me actually you're gone because i'm here with both krystal and abby by myself so -- >> it's a good look. >> it's quite nice. >> as to hillary, come on. that was a disastrous comment yesterday that she struggled. she didn't struggle. i mean, the fact is that she had an $8 million book advance waiting for her in the offing that bob barnett was negotiating. they had two houses, one on a very fancy street in washington,

one in chap kwa. they were bankable stars to say the least. for her to use the word struggle was probably offensive to even so democrats who otherwise adore her. that's why she was back on tv trying to dig herself out of that. do i think it's going to define her new candidacy? no. but was it a way to sort of stumble on what was a carefully planned book tour right on the first day? absolutely yes. >> and it's sort of a reminder that she does have weaknesses as a candidate. >> what, she's not perfect? >> she's not perfect. in 2008 we did find out she has some flaws as a candidate. you have been writing and you said her campaign in 2008 had everything figured out in advance, except what it was for. nothing in "hard choices"

indicates anything will be different except perhaps the result. >> the reason i ended it the way i ended it, except perhaps the result, is that last time her carefully crafted campaign, which assumed an air of inevitability before it began and let's say that hillary has terrific qualities, has worked very hard and in many ways is unassailable to republicans on many issues, did not see barack obama coming, and she didn't understand and her staff did not understand the rise of social media, did not stand the new generation style of politics and they never adapted. hillary's first video from 2008, you may remember, you may not be old enough to remember, i'm not sure, but she's in that sunny sunroom and it's all yellow and beautiful and the sun is rising and it's sort of like, hi, i'm ready to be your president. and it doesn't work that way.

this time however, surveying the landscape of the democratic party, i don't see another barack obama on the horizon so i think her strategy is i'm not going to have another barack obama so i'm going to run sort of the same risk-averse campaign that she ran last time. what i'm not sure she understands is how there has to be substance to the crusade and not just the idea that she's going to break the final glass ceiling, no matter how important that is. >> and i would agree with you, there is no other barack obama. the one this evening that stuck out to me is what she wrote in your piece which said "the former secretary of state is a hawk who hangs out with campaign cash bundlers and folks from goldman sachs so she's theoretically vulnerable, especially from her left but it's not clear who will step up.

after that comment, what an open window for someone from the left, expose the flank but no one wants to do it. why are people like elizabeth warren, martin o'malley, why are they so fearful of going down that road? >> because i don't think they think that they're barack obama either. >> right. >> so elizabeth warren, who is very smart and just as ambitious as any of them despite her aw shuck sort of faculty, lounge demeanor, i'm not sure she wants to take the risk of taking hillary on. she has said publicly she won't do it if hillary in fact runs. martin o'malley it sounds to me like he's going to run anyway. it's like a risk-free proposition for him. >> sell some books. >> i personally hope that bernie sanders -- >> bernie sanders? that's the first i've heard of him running. >> there's talk about it. and i would like to see the sort

of gravelly voice get in the race. that underscores the fact that at least for now, you always have to qualify in politics a week is a year and a year is a lifetime, it's hillary's to lose. >> that's a great point. it might surprise you but there are other politics going on in the world that doesn't involve hillary clinton. primaries tonight, lindsay graham is the primary everyone will be watching. six folks are running against him. it will be very interesting to see if he can get past the 50% threshold to not have the runoff. he knows it's going to be somewhat of a threat. let's take a listen. >> at the end of the day i really do believe there's a contest going on in the republican party between the ronald reagan republican where 80% is a good day and ideological purity. if everything holds, we're going to win tomorrow without a runoff and i think we're going to win decisively.

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we seem to have a mass shooting every week. and it would become easy to become numb to these tragedies. but it's still worth thinking about them and trying to learn what lessons we can. we're still learning the details from this latest tragedy in trout dale. but in the weekend shooting of two law enforcement officials is and one civilian walmart shopper, there is already a lot for us to consider. in 1958, the headquarters of the national rifle association had these words on the wall. firearm safety education, marksmanship training, shooting for recreation. and according to michael wadman, pragmatic firearm safety was, in fact, the nra's focus. the nra was established to improve the poor marksmanship of soldiers but morphed post world war ii into an organization for sportsmen. they stood in support of tighter gun laws following the assassination of jfk, and they backed the ban of saturday night special handguns, saying the nra does not necessarily approve of everything that goes bang. in 1977, all that changed.

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another school day shattered by gunfire. it is tuesday, june 10th, and this is "now." hours ago, gun violence in america's schools claimed its latest victim. police say one student was killed after shooting this morning at reynolds high school outside of portland, oregon. the alleged gunman also died. in a scene that has become all too familiar, dozens of emergency vehicles swarmed the school after initial calls came in just after 8:00 local time when finals week classes were just beginning. with details still coming in, authorities said at a briefing moments ago, the gunman was armed with a rifle a