another school day shattered by gunfire. it is tuesday, june 10th, and this is "now." hours ago, gun violence in america's schools claimed its latest victim. police say one student was killed after shooting this morning at reynolds high school outside of portland, oregon. the alleged gunman also died. in a scene that has become all too familiar, dozens of emergency vehicles swarmed the school after initial calls came in just after 8:00 local time when finals week classes were just beginning. with details still coming in, authorities said at a briefing moments ago, the gunman was armed with a rifle and that a

teacher was also wounded in the shooting. the mayor said that his small town of troutdale, oregon is reeling. >> this has been a very unsettling day for our precious city. my heart goes out to all of the families. >> police have not yet released tails about the shooter or what type of rifle was used. authorities say the scene is now stabilized and once again students, teachers and neighbors are grappling for answers as to why and how. what we do know is that the sound of gunfire rings out in america's schools far too often. according to the advocacy group, every town for gun safety, this is the 74th school shooting since the massacre at sandy hook elementary in newtown, connecticut. the pinpoints on this map detail each time a gun-related assault, homicide, suicide or accidental shooting has taken place in a school or on a campus since the sandy hook tragedy in december of 2012 sparked a renewed debate on gun safety.

today's addition to that map tells you where the gun debate has left us. an average of one school shooting every seven days in this country, or one every week. joining me now is political editor and white house correspondent at the huffington post, sam stein, and from capitol hill, dan gross. dan, let me start with you. you're on the hill. are we going to see anything happen other than the series of now predictable outraged tweets from lawmakers? >> yeah, we are. because now the outrage tweets and the out rage in general is coming from the american public. richard martinez, the father of the victim -- one of the victims of now two school shootings ago in isla vista, california, had it exactly right. this problem is happening because of craven, irresponsible politicians, as he put it, rightly, and the influence of the corporate gun lobby. and the american public is starting to figure that out and the american public is starting to express its route rage.

we have hundreds of activists around the country meeting with lawmakers, demanding the change in our country that's too long overdue. >> sam, you know, you're standing on the front north lawn of the white house. we know where we were as a country after sandy hook, and is where we are now. do you have sense from your reporting and from, you know, inside the 1600 pennsylvania avenue there will be a concerted effort to do something, any kind of renewed energy focused on this part of gun safety refor the? >> unfortunately, i don't share dan's optimism on this. at the white house briefing, the president's spokesman reiterated his commitment to doing common sense as he calls it, gun reforms, background checks, obviously, for individual purchases. and then on the hill, senator joe manchin reportedly said today he wants his legislation, which was the premier legislation to push back, he wants that reconsidered. but we have fallen into the predictable pattern, which is that we have these moments of gun violence that are happening incredibly often.

we calculate it at about 1.3 school shootings every week. keep in mind, there's not many school weeks during the summer. so we're having those moments all of the time. we have sort of crazy speculation about what kind of lengthive reaction there will be and it gradually dissipates and nothing ends up happening. and we have fallen into a very familiar pattern, unfortunately. >> yeah. you know, dan, not to be -- not to overstate the pessimism here. but when -- a couple months ago in oregon, and measured to expand background checks died in oregon, which, of course, is the state where the shooting took place today. and supporters of expanded background checks have begun to look to other avenues to ensure better safety around weaponry, including giving judges more leverage to deny mentally ill residents access to firearms, and notifying police when a background check is failed. do you see these sort of outside avenues, circumventing the ligament active process, at

least on the state level, as viable? >> yeah, we think they're important. and we think anything that can save a life, which a lot of these measures will do, is important. but i don't look at it as an either/or. we haven't lost any heart. and the american public hasn't lost any heart for background checks. support for it is as high as it has ever been and we have tangible evidence. we put 3,000 calls into the offices of three senators in one day last month. i mean, the american public is really starting to take notice of the corruption and what's happening here in terms of the influence of the corporate gun lobby. and i do think we're overstating the pessimism. let me hit you with a fact here, it took six votes over seven years to pass the original brady bill. they started out, my predecessors of the organization, started out with much less support than the support we have now to expand it. so we are absolutely on the right trajectory. the manchin/toomey bill that did

not pass last year, and that was a tragedy, people will die as a result, shows huge progress. we have 55 yes votes. only because of the crazy filibuster rules of this place, it didn't pass with a simple majority. so we have the momentum on our side. yeah, oregon may not have passed, but we passed in the last 18 months since sandy hook, background check legislation. universal background checks in four states. so there's a lot of positive and lives will be saved as a result. so it is not as gloom and doom as a lot of the pundits are out there saying. we're on the right path here. >> yeah. sam, you know, one lookses at this and thinks it's about states taking individual measures, because washington is where it is or may not be. according to dan's assessment. i get the sense sometimes that even the nra realizes how ridiculous their position is. i mean, last week, when there was a protest around the ch

chipotle open carry laws, and bringing weaponry into a place where you eat tacos came out and said that's weird and crazy that people want to do that. and immediately the nra sort of rescinded that statement and said, oh, it was a mistake we said that. but it was sort of a window into the gun advocacy group's soul, if you will. they seem to understand how preposterous their positions have gotten. >> yeah. and -- >> i'm sorry, sam. go ahead. >> no, it's okay, dan. you're the expert on this, and i would defer to you on some of the stats. first things first. the nra has taken stands that seem out of whack. and it's not just the chipotle open carry law issue. the smart gun technology issue, stores are being closed down by nra advocates because they don't want them to sell smart gun technology. you also have to step back and realize that assault rifles, semi assault rifles, are not the

biggest problem statistically. it's handguns and accidental shootings and a gun culture that is causing a lot of the firearm related teths and that's under debate, as well. >> we've got it leave it there. but this is an ongoing subject of discussion. thanks for your time. >> thank you, alex. coming up. today hillary clinton officially released her new book and her critics unofficially launched a new hash tag. hillary is so poor. the "new york times" amy chozick joins me next. [ male announcer ] at northrop grumman, we've always been at the forefront of advanced electronics. providing technology to get more detail...

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which isly staged, crafted and very carefully managed affair and so it was sort of a surprise to find the former secretary of state clarifying what some are calling the first unforced error of the 2016 campaign, except it's not really a campaign yet and it is unclear whether it was actually an error. >> we came out of the white house not only dead broke, but in debt. we had had no money when we got there. and we struggled to, you know, piece together the resources for mortgages for houses, for chelsea's education. you know, it was not easy. >> surprisingly, republicans pounced, attacking the clintons as wealthy and out of touch. more commonly heard on the other side of the aisle. never mind that criticism relating to america's top earners seems a little contrived from a party that made individual con sessand you didn't build that meme the center of its 2012 convention. after all, the clinton did not

come from money unlike some other political dynastiedynasti. they also left the white house financially bruised by never-ending attacks over white water and monica lewinskies. but this morning's kerfuffle, just how well she has done and just how she has done so well. only rich people find themselves $10 million in debt as the clintons did when they left the white house. this wasn't some random financial misfortune that could have happened to anyone. this was a situation where the ability to go so deeply into debt is a sign of the vast economic privileges they enjoyed. and these days, the clintons have more than made up that early gap, earning more than 100 million since they departed 1600 pennsylvania avenue. hillary clinton offered a passionate defense of why she is in this game in the first place, assuming, you know, she is actually in this game. >> bill and i were obviously

blessed. we worked hard for everything we got in our lives. and we have continued to work hard. i want to use the talents and resources i have to make sure other people get the same chances. we understand what that struggle is, because we had student debts, both of us. we had to pay off, we've had to work. i had a couple jobs in law school. he had lots of jobs. so we have a life experience that is clearly different in very dramatic ways, from many americans, but we also have gone through some of the same challenges. >> joining me now is communications director of the democratic national committee, mowa lathy and national political reporter with the "new york times," amy choezic. let me start with you. is this an unforced error or was this a conscience effort to sort of demystify the dynasty of, the dynasty quality of the clintons? >> well, look, we always have to

preface or i always preface these conversations by saying we don't know what she's going to do. let me say this about the republicans who every day seem to find a new way to out-ridiculous themselves. when you are the party that is blocking student loan and student debt relief. when you're the party that is blocking the minimum wage increase. when you're the party that is blocking increase investments in education and so many other policies that would help the middle class, you forfeit the right to pretend -- to even pretend to be populist. this is an argument that just doesn't fly. i don't know what hillary clinton is going to do. and i'm not sure hillary clinton knows what she's going to do. but to the extent that the republican party wants to try to talk about economic populism and which party understands the middle class a little bit better, i'll put any of our

potential candidates up against them any day of the week. >> yeah. you know, amy, i get where -- what mo is talking about here. republicans are almost laying a trap for themselves if they're going to start talking about economic policy and mobility in american society, right? but there is the question of whether it's a good thing for hillary clinton to talk about the humble roots and sort of, you know, the debt she and bill accrued, given where they are today, which is incredibly financially secure, if you will. and then brings up the question, which is really something that knees to be answered on democratic side of the aisle, which is how much do the clintons, you know -- what -- issues do they feel they have, potentially, with the folks who have helped them make so much money? >> that's a good question. they definitely occupy this rarefied world of new york and the hamptons, quite different than when we were first introduced to clinton as a governor in arkansas jogging to the mcdonald's in little rock. that said, this country has a long history of democratic leaders from kennedy to

rockefeller to fdr, who have incredible personal wealth and yet are still champions of the poor. so i don't think that private income has anything to do with a progressive agenda. but i do think you'll have to get out and convince voters that she does understand where they're coming from. she hasn't had a hard time doing that in the past. >> let me follow up on that, amy. last friday, all three clintons met with donors at a goldman sachs con fab in downtown manhattan. and you wrote that the location -- the goldman sachs offices underscored that clinton is undeterred by criticism from the progressive wing of the democratic party that she is too close to the financial industry. bill clinton, in a scathing quote in tim geithner's book says, "you could take lloyd blankfein into a dark alley and slit his throat and it would satisfy them" them presumably the progressive wing of the democratic party" for about two days, and then the blood lust would rise again." how much do you think statements like that will be a liability in

the democratic primary? >> i think bill clinton has an approach to economics that is pro business. that is a kind of we're all in this together. and the rhetoric right now coming from that wing of the democratic party is that wall street are the enemieenemies. and i think that's never been the rhetoric you have seen from the clintons. and in turn, they're friendly to wall street. will hillary clinton be the candidate of wall street? doubtful if, you look at her derivatives and other things like that. but i think in general, they're very comfortable with their position that it's going to take wall street and main street to get out of our mess. >> yeah, mo, what is your thinking on this? in terms of, like, clinton foundation donors, goldman sachs, coca-cola, anheuser busch, kuwait, saudi arabia? are these issues that they will litigate among themselves? >> i don't think you're going to find a whole lot of democrats out there who are going to be focused on this piece. because ultimately, i think what unifies and ties democrats together, no matter what part of the country they're from or

where on the democratic spectrum they are, is that we are about helping anybody who works hard, climbs as high up the ladder of our opportunity, and as high up the ladder of success as they possibly can. what separates us from the republicans is, we don't mind, and we actually encourage everyone to join us in climbing up that ladder as opposed to the republicans who are sawing it off, you know, behind themselves. so that's what it fundamentally comes down to. it's not an us versus them mentality. it's how do we all -- how do we all get the same opportunities so we can all climb up that ladder as high as we can. and that's what we did in the '90s. that's what this current president's economic policies are designed to do. and that's what the other side just doesn't get. >> amy, let me ask you the big picture here. you're someone who has covered the clintons in depth in clinton world, in a thorough manner, shall we say. what is the strategy here? the rollout, the interviews, you

know, it was inevitable that something was going to get picked up and all of this media, that then got dissected, we would be relitigating part of the clintons, you know, history. is this -- is this a request rollout? good rollout? do you think the clinton world thinks this is a necessary, early step in terms of neutralizing controversy? i think it sort of just feeds into the whole inevitability meme which was an issue for her in 2008. >> that's true. i think political reporters who cover her in 2008 sort of enjoy these past couple gaffes, if you call them that. it says she is not as scripted, not apology every response that comes out of her mouth. and i think that that is sort of a refreshing sign from the candidate that mo and i saw in 2008. >> thank you guys so much for your time. >> thank you. >> thanks. after the break, it's primary day, and you will not believe what lindsey graham and eric cantor are willing to do to keep their seats in congress. david corn and jack mcintosh

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voters go the polls today in six states with the marquis primary races in south carolina and virginia, where senator lind see graham and congressman eric cantor are favored to fend off tea party challengers, but not without some high anxiety. in his effort to keep his gop rivals at bay, senator graham has spent 8.5 million versus $1.8 million by all of his challengers combined. forced to defend himself against dreadful, heretical deeds like backing support nominees and gun safety legislation last year, lindsey graham took out a tour bus and signaled he can take the heat. >> the reason i think i have six challengers is i have challenged

myself. i have tried to do things that i think should have been done a long time ago, like immigration. >> did we mention the grahamnesty, the role bee kwequd to him. but guess what, you can have your cool code names, but it's all about electability. >> we have given away four seats over the last four years because we nominated people who couldn't withstand scrutiny. if you nominate me, that's not going to happen. i'll beat the democratic candidates' brains out. >> he'll beat the democrats' brains out. as for eric cantor, he will just hand over his brains willingly, in order to win. taking on his own accusations of amnesty, the house majority leader sent out mailers boasting of his efforts to kill immigration reformulation, despite his past support of a path to legalgation for children brought to the country

illegally. apparently that dream, it dies on the campaign trail. joining me now is washington bureau chief of mother jones, david corn and communications director for emily's list,e jes macinto macintosh. is david corn not as good of a politician as lindsey graham? >> he has a little bit of a different challenge. you mentioned that lindsey graham has raised $8.5 million. one thing you left out of that fine introduction, alex, he's also said the word "benghazi" 8.5 million times. so i think it's a two-fold effort on his part. cantor is now in trouble from, you know, hard -- can't say right, but hard libertarians who are mad at him, because he hasn't personally taken a dagger and put it through the jugular of immigration reform. just saying he's not for it or it's not moving forward -- it's not going to move forward in this congress is not good enough for them. so he has not been able to sort of satisfy that beast.

but it's not really much of a credible political threat. and down in south carolina, lindsey graham is facing six people, and the only question is whether he gets over 50%. won't be a good night for the far extremes of the tea party. >> yeah, you know, jess, we made a lot of hay about etch-a-sketch, but it's still happening. that's what eric cantor is doing, right? here is someone who has supported various forms of immigration reform and is now blasting out mailers saying never, amnesty, bad things, horrible. the question i have, can you etch-a-sketch once again? can eric cantor now go back to the house if he makes it through this primary season and actually do anything substantive on the issue of reform? >> no, i think it's -- pretty apparent in their desire to get through primary season, these guys are willing to sacrifice any ability to actually govern. both of their sins seemed to be being open to the idea of some kind of immigration reform at some point maybe, although they weren't willing to put any real

muscle behind it. now they're going to come out of these primary seasons financially compromised. lindsey graham spent $8.5 million. eric cantor $5 million. and that doesn't just matter for their races against democrats. that's $13.5 million not getting spent in kentucky and georgia and places where they are fending off serious democratic challenges. they also came out i'd logically compromised. they're not going to be good faith actors on issues they were at least paying lip service to work with democrats on. lindsey graham is famous for introducing a 20-week abortion ban saying i'm far right too. even americans who self identify as pro life do not want their lawmakers prioritizing abortion restrictions. they want them talking about jobs and the economy. but these guys can't do that to get through the primary. >> i would say never underestimate the flexibility of these guys. i mean, we saw it with john mccain. >> flexibility, yes. flexibility is one word for it. go ahead, david. >> that's a nice word for it, alex. flexibility.

and so, you know, lindsey graham, always seen as the light version of the old reasonable john mccain, has gone far to the left to fend off these tea party attacks. but it's not where his heart is. and there's still a possibility that when democrats go looking for an immigration supporter on their side -- on the republican side, he'll be there. and, you know, eric cantor, i wouldn't trust what he says publicly about almost anything, which makes him perhaps somewhat useful if you're looking for republican who will do something positive on immigration reform. >> well, i mean, and i will say, jess, i completely agree with you with the sacrifices lindsey graham has made in the name of preserving some kind of credibility on maybe an issue or not. i mean, yes, socially, he has ceded grouped to the far far right. but the fact he is able to talk about immigration reform the day before the primary, in and of itself is kind of remarkable,

right? and insofar as that may be a template for future republicans who want to maybe get anything done is. is the answer you've got to just buy everyone out? >> i don't honestly care where your heart and your rhetoric is if your vote is with the tea party. and that's where we're seeing lindsey graham now. so, you know, i would like to hold out hope that there are republicans out there who are willing to do good by the folks who elected them. but they're not providing me a ton of evidence for that hope. >> david corn and jess mcintosh, it's primary night tonight. thanks so much for joining me today. >> sure thing, alex. just ahead, a deadly highway crash involving comedian tracy morgan raises new awareness about the health and safety of overworked and overtired truck drivers. we will have more on relaxed regulations and deadly fatigue, coming up next.

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we now the crash that killed tracy morgan was caused by a truck driver who had been awake over 24 hours straight before the incident occurred. authorities say the driver, a 35-year-old kevin roper, failed to slow for traffic and swerved to avoid the crash. his vehicle then smashed into the back of morgan's limo bus. that tragedy has shined a spotlight on the long hours and low pay in the trucking industry. but will it do anything to change either of those things? just days before the deadly crash, congress voted to make it easier to put tired truckers on the road. last year, the department of transportation rolled out new regulations, a rule that would decrease the maximum workweek for truck drivers from 82 hours to 70 hours. the rule also requires drivers to take a 30-minute break in the first eight hours of their shift. but no sooner did that rule go into effect than the senate acted to undo it. last week, the senate appropriations committee in an amendment pushed by maine

republican susan collins voted 21-9 to strip the agency of funding to enforce the rules. here's what illinois democrat dick durbin, one of the few dissenters said to his colleagues at the hearing. only audio was made available. >> we can step back now and say this is about the free market. let's see where it goes. or we can step up and acknowledge the reality here. between driver fatigue, drugs, texting, let's be honest about this. the roads are not as safe as they should be. and it's our responsibility to make them safer. >> so how unsafe are america's roads? in 2012 alone, large trucks were involved in 317,000 traffic crashes. that resulted in 75 deaths per week, or 11 people killed every single day. joining me now is former truck driver and president of real women in trucking, desiree wood. thanks for joining me. tell us what the experience is like to be a truck driver.

is there pressure to drive long distances without adequate rest? >> yeah, the nature of the job is to drive -- you have 11 hours to drive per day. that's a really long shift. you're dictated by the government that you have to complete this 11 hours within a 14-hour time period. and you don't have the leisure to say i drove five hours, i'm ready for a nap. they're telling you when to take a nap, they're telling you when to take a break. >> the truth is, if you stop to fuel, once you contend with traffic, the long lines in the truck stops, the fuel bay, that's 45 minutes right there. so they're telling you to take this 30-minute break, but in actuality, you were tied upstanding in lines. you didn't ever actually get any rest. you didn't get a break. you have the company on one side telling you why are you stopping, why are you stopping. so you have all of these people on either side of you telling

you, you've got to do this, you've got to do this. it's not practical. drivers are human beings. they have to go to the bathroom like everybody else. they have humanly needs. and this gets taken out of the equation when we hear this conversation. you know, and i'm not defending this driver by any means. if he was out there driving unsafe, he needed to have the courage to say, i'm not going anywhere. you know? 99% of the drivers, they -- it is their worst nightmare to have an accident and harm someone. and that's just not, you know, reflective of the driver population. but unfortunately, we hear from the industry and the general public needs to know that the trucking industry does not represent the truck drivers who do not have a voice. and you hear from the government and you hear from the lobby groups. but you rarely hear from the drivers that are not hand-picked

to say what the industry wants them to say. >> did he say re, let me ask you. is it does part of that have -- the truckers union seems a dramatic decline in membership. the voice of the workers, to your point, it's just not as powerful as it once was. and i think -- i would love to hear from your point of view. do you think that has anything to do with the fact that conditions for drivers are not maximal, to say it euphemistically? >> this is an industry with a 100% turnover rate. and it's an industry that always says they have a driver shortage. i mean, anybody that has just the smallest amount of math skills can see, this is a huge leadership problem that we have here in the executive levels. they're bringing people in that have absolutely no business whatsoever driving this equipment. they're putting them through these cdl mills. and they're getting them out on the road, and they're -- they are not prepared. this is a very serious job.

it is for people that take it very seriously. and you are operating a piece of equipment that could kill someone else. it is not a game. but unfortunately, we see a lot of this -- we see a lot of this, you know, just come one, come all recruiting. and nobody wants to look at the training. and what's going on in the training. and this environment that, you know, you have to be tough enough to say no. i'm not driving. this is not safe. not this concrete cowboy sort of attitude. and that still -- that's still a big part of this industry. you know? >> desiree -- >> you're going to have -- go ahead. >> go ahead. i'll let you finish your sentence. >> well, what i wanted to say is, this -- you know, if you're tough enough to get the load there, that kind of climate where, you know, they tell you it's your downtime, your sleep time, but there's all these

distractions. there's parking problems. there's the shippers and receivers that won't let you park on their property. there's the disturbances from people kicking you out of where you parked. there's all of these things going on. and nobody to defend you. >> and certainly that was -- he mean, that's come to light in this. the conditions, i think -- if there's a silver lining to the story, it's the conditions in which truck drivers exist and conduct their jobs are part of the national discussion. desiree, thank you so much for your time. i want to bring in executive vice president and chief of national advocacy of the american trucking association, dave osheki. desiree represents one side of this issue. from your perspective, one of the things we were talking about in terms of making this situation better, is trying to make the roads safer. we know that your group -- well, you can tell us. of do you support these regulations that the transportation -- the department of transportation has passed? >> yes. first of all, desiree actually made some very good comments. and i think you might be

surprised and perhaps your viewers will be surprised to find that i think the ata, american trucking association, and our member fleets, agree with a lot of her comments. the truck parking problems. the lack of flexibility in the rules that the government creates. the lack of a focus on driver training standards by the government. and a number of other things she said. but getting back to your question. yes, there are five elements to these new rules that we're here to talk about. and a it ta and the trucking industry at large support four of those five. and we can walk through those if you would like. but the one that we're concerned about is this restart restriction, which to desiree's point, actually takes flexibility away from the drivers, and we believe it raises risk, because it forces trucks and professional drivers into the early morning hours, the commuting hours, if you will. and that's a real problem from a safety standpoint. >> it sounds -- in terms of, you

know, the ata is a lobbying organization. and it sounds like -- and based on the data that we have from places like open secrets, the ata is supporting folks who are not that interested in regulation in this industry. is that an accurate statement? >> no. that couldn't be further from the truth. i will tell you, we support, as i said, four of the five elements of this hours of service regulation. we were the first out of the box many years ago supporting the commercial driver's license regulations, the trucking and alcohol testing regulations we support. vehicle maintenance. there is a regulation sitting over at the department of transportation today that we wish that a d.o.t. would have gotten out years ago, electronic logging devices. >> from a layman's perspective, dave, why -- why is the senate doing what it just did? why is susan collins moving forward with this effort to -- what looks like from the outside, roll back or weaken regulations? >> yeah, i think when people look at it from the outside, that's what it may appear to be.

but the reality is, those who know about this restart restriction know that the professional drivers, the industry, they know that when it's used, it's putting trucks in early morning traffic. that's the worst time to put trucks and cars in a mix. early morning hours is when the riskiest environment is, and that raises crashes. raises a number of crashes. that's a safety concern, that's why senator collins and many members of the senate committee that voted last week voted in favor of suspending those restrictions. >> so do you think dick durbin is just totally off the mark when he says these rules are intended to make our roads safer and we shouldn't be trying to weaken them? >> well, i'm not going to comment on senator durbin's comments. i will tell you that the agency that issued these rules just a month ago in a meeting with us and others acknowledged that there are unintended and unanticipated safety consequences as a result of these rules. that's what this amendment in the senate is it. and that's why we favor it.

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this november, colorado might become the first state in

the nation to ask its the voters what they think of hydraulic fracturing, otherwise known as fracking. over the past several years, colorado has seen a major surge in natural gas production, in it large part due to fracking. and with about one active well per 100 residents, whether they're for it or against this, the people and the businesses of colorado have a lot to say about fracking. last november, voters in five cities around denver passed ballot measures temporarily banning the practice. proposals for this year's ballot include keeping drilling as far as half a mile from residences and giving individual cities and towns the right to ban fracking. but to even get measures on the ballot this year will be an uphill battle. the "new york times" reports today these measures could, quote, ignite an all-out battle involving oil companies, business groups and conversationists that pulls in millions in outside money, sets off a rush of campaign ads and spawns lawsuits for years to come. so from now until november, democratic leaders are working feverishly on a compromise that

would give communities more control of energy development in their backyards, while keeping the fracking issue off the ballot. joining me now is executive director of bold nebraska, jane cleb. it's great to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> so i was sort of shocked that there is so much hue and cry over a simple ballot measure. were you -- >> yes. let's just be clear about this. environmentalists and local communities, win-win. because if it gets on the ballot, i think the citizens will mobilize and they will get local control. if it doesn't get on a ballot, they have brought this to the legislative front and i think you'll see good laws in place. what industry needs to realize, citizens aren't going away. so come to the table, asks the moms, the farmers and the ranchers who actually care about what's happening in their backyard to come to the table, to come for some middle ground regulations. i think the citizens in colorado aren't saying we know fracking can't be gone forever, but we've got to protect our water. >> right. and that's the piece i think that is really interesting is the public health angle. the studies show -- a new

republic piece about a colorado school of public health says the central finding is a strong correlation between proximity to fracking wells and congenital heart defects. and goes on to cite more data that goes to the heart of i think a lot of the environmental movement, which is a concern about the well-being of children, of families, of land. and yet -- and i would accept your group in the broader debate about environmental reform and energy reform, the public health angle is not the first thing people talk about. >> it's the first thing you hear president obama talking about. that's why i wasn't surprised when he was announcing the epa regs that he was in a hospital on a children's ward talking about the asthma that kids have. and so i always say to environmental groups when i'm visiting with them, you've got to start talking about this in terms where people can relate to. you have to start telling stories. connecting with the moms, the farmers and the ranchers, who are standing up for their land. and what is so shocking to me is the gop has to do this whole renewal, right, to start to get voters on their side. they are seeding the ground that

used to be theirs. property rights, local control. that's what this is about for a lot of communities. and the gop is turning their back on that. >> yeah, we were talking about this before the segment began. there is so much of the playing field in terms of energy reform they could own without compromising quote, unquote, comfort ideals. but they seeded all of that in the name of sort of bury your head in the sand, climate change, denialism. >> because they don't want to see control. in the common sense measures, we're trying to get zoning regulations in nebraska. we don't want to see a pipeline that could come as close as 500 feet to somebody's front door. that's crazy. that doesn't make any sense. but industry doesn't want any local control. so republicans constantly saying local control is best, let's see you actually put that into practice instead of caring about the next contribution from exxon or chevron. >> let's talk about -- there is this presumed sort of cultural divide between the coasts and heartland on the issue of energy. and i've been actually really delighted and surprised in the recent weeks that democrats in

the heartland, we're talking about states not just like colorado, but iowa, right, or michigan, are embracing the president's new announcement or the ep a's new announcements of regulation of existing coal plants. you are there. you are in nebraska. are you surprised? i mean, what are you seeing on the ground in terms of what moms and farmers and neighbors and ranchers are talking about? >> i'm not surprised. you know, when we do any polling in nebraska, over 70% of nebraskans want to see more renewable energy. including biofuels, wind, solar. they see when big oil comes knocking on their door to try to take their land away, they are not only taking away their land, but they're also threatening their livelihoods. they see wind, solar, biofuels, as lifting up small rural communities who can't only rely on agriculture anymore. they have to rely on other sources. clean energy is obviously a win-win. it doesn't pollute water, doesn't take away their land and actually helps support their communities. industry needs to realize this. the heartland wants renewable energy. so if environmental groups and

democrats would actually stop avoiding that and come to the heartlands, rather than saying it's red states, they would start to win some races. >> and i would say also the presumption of sort of ignorance in and around the dynamics of fossil fuels and the dangers inherent in the production and the extraction of fossil fuels, you cannot bet on the ignorance of the american public and win in the long term. >> no. there is no way. ranchers aren't stupid. they know that if you put a pipeline or a fracking well near their water well, that that is not a good mix. and industry should know this too. with twitter, facebook, e-mail, all i have to do is e-mail the lawyer in new york who created the fracking rules in order to get a copy to see how we can replicate that in nebraska. that's happening. so industry needs to realize that, and they need to come to the table. >> jane kleb, it's awesome to see you. please come to new york more often. we'll have more coming up after the break. s jane. her long day on set starts with shoulder pain... ...and a choice take 6 tylenol in a day which is 2 aleve for... ...all day relief. hmm.

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