new statement yesterday in which he refers to the nba as a reign of terror. and a quick birthday shout-out to adrian cotega, who's our guy who keeps everything in check. yo, adrian! let's go to "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ the reason we won this campaign is there's just one reason, and that's because dollars do not vote. you knew -- the miracle that just happened. this is a miracle that just happened. >> well, thanks to that man, one of the most powerful leaders in congress is on his way out. if you haven't heard the name dave brat before last night, you're not alone. brat is a virginia college professor. he has unseated eric cantor, winning by 12 points in the

republican primary. it's an upset that has since sent shock waves through washington. cantor who rode a wave of votes to be house party leader, he stunned supporters last night. >> obviously, we came up short. i know there's a lot of long faces here tonight and it's disappointing, sure. but i believe in this country. i believe there's opportunity around the next corner for all of us. so i'll look forward to continuing to fight with all of you for the things that we believe in for the conservative cause because those solutions are ours are the answer to the problems that so many people are facing today. thank you all very, very much. >> the upset surprised both parties from southern republicans who nancy pelosi whose dinner party reportedly turned into an impromptu celebration.

if you're following informal polls, cantor's lead seemed to be air tight with a 34-point lead. as most recent headlines, accountant dore was clobbering brat 25-1. and even spending more on steak. and not everyone was surprised. according to "the washington post" they were, quote, waved off. big news. a complete shocker overnight. good morning, everyone. it's wednesday, june 11th. we've got mark halperin. and also in washington, al hunt, msnbc political analyst and former chair of the republican national committee, michael steele. and senior political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein. >> john holland, nick and i were at a "the new york times" event,

and people started sort of whispering. >> yeah, blackberrys. >> he held up a blackberry and said, look at this, he's losing. you were out there. you were at an event last night, just an absolute total shock. >> and mark and i were at a different together with a couple other people who know a lot about politics, i think the reaction at the table was this is totally incredulity. like this must be the onion, like, really? how is this happening there are few things that happen in politics that are genuinely surprises that no one saw coming. even the most informed political insider saw on the horizon. this is one of those things. when something like this happens, it knocks everyone back on their heels. everybody is starting to filling out what does this mean? there's obvious implications i'm sure we'll discuss. >> there are so many sides to the story. this guy brat had two people working for him.

his campaign manager is 23 years old. but big picture, what happened? >> well, people are going to try to figure that out down the road. i can tell you that, i stopped being afraid of flying, when someone said to relax. when an airplane goes down it's not because one thing happens unless an asteroid falls out of the sky and hits, it's a hundred things. and david colin warning everybody not to jump to conclusions. lindsey graham, at the center what his creditics called grah m graham-nesty. the fact that he spent more money on steak than his opponent spent on his entire campaign. >> it was good steak, though. let's not knock him for that.

>> people are going to try to figure out the why the next couple of days. clearly, a lot will have to do with immigration. a lot will have to go he went with a national profile. he went with a tv strategy, rather than a grassroots strategy. didn't bring in people like rand paul and others to help him. the implications of this is a much bigger story than why he lost. what happens in congress now, what happens in the republican party. some republicans criticizesed the press and democrats say there's a war within the republican party. make no mistake, there's a war within the republican party. how is eric cantor replaced. does he stay on as leader to address congress? those are kwe huge questions. >> i don't want to be thick, but that's what i do are well, al. all of those people looking around for a thad cochran scalp.

i saw this guy briefly last night. 30, 45 seconds in an off-the-cuff cheap tv ad. i said, wow, this guy's articulate. he's relaxed. and he's a guy that i would trust if i were a voter. again, i'm not saying that the tea party is not out there. and this isn't a tea party war, blah, blah. i think we can overplay that, though. sometimes, you have these guys that go to washington, as you know, better than anybody that just get out of touch with their voters at home. so before we oversell this as an anti-immigration vote. and a huge victory for the tea party, maybe we should look closer at the two candidates here that were actually running the race. >> well, joe, that may be. first of all you it's the biggest shock i've ever seen in electoral politics. eric cantor was at a fund-raiser yesterday morning in washington. this guy didn't spend any money. one message here, if you got

bobby van stock sell it. the other thing, this is not a right wing district. this is not your red neck riviera. i was born in that district. this is a very republican district. one that mark warner carried barack obama 46%. i think this is a grassroots, whatever you call it, tea party, right wing, throw the rascals out, whatever. the implications are profound. i don't think immigration even has a slim chance. the house for the rest of this congress is going to be focused on nothing but the house majority and nothing but the leadership level. and that lever is a conducive atmosphere for getting things done. >> eric cantor in his last primary two years ago, won with 79% of the vote. his races haven't been close. we saw that poll that mika showed. 62-28 is when he had going. then he loses by double digits.

the race wasn't even close last night. what is your analysis of what happened? >> this is the tea party and the establishment, in the sense they stayed to their game plan. i remember one of my last meetings with tea party when i was rnc chairman. the board is, we brought you into office, we'll take you out of office. that's really been part of their mantra for the last few years. it's how do we chip away at the establishment control of the republican party top to what mark said and al said, there absolutely is, and has to be resolved an internal struggle over the heart and mind of this party. and you're going to see this play out even more and more with a next few cycles. this does not get resolved with a tea party victory tonight nor with an establishment victory next week. >> michael, to push back with the republican party, and the rise of the new tea party, why

did lindsey graham who is one of the most moderate guys in washington, d.c. and comes from one of the most conservative states of south carolina, why did he win last night? why did newt gingrich who was talking about immigration reform more than anybody in 2012 win the south carolina primary in 2012? he won because he was the best candidate. he was the best debater. i just don't think we should over -- i'm saying this to myself and everybody else, i don't think we should oversimplify what happened last night. sometimes, guys like eric cantor are just radically out of touch with their district in ways that have nothing to do with politics. >> joe that's absolutely right. there's no doubt about it. but keep in mind, south carolina is also very much a changing political environment as well for the party prp so i think their dynamics specific to south carolina that may explain some of that. i'm not trying oversimplify it.

i'm just saying that's part of a growing narrative that still needs to be resolved within the party. >> no question eric cantor is a big name. everyone knew who he was. and now two professors running against each other from the same college. >> that is unheard of. >> maybe -- >> okay. >> it's a great school. >> it is a great school. it's god's country. >> as it pertains to dave brat, who the heck is this guy. take a look. >> chris mcdaniel is -- >> i'm joni ernst. >> i'm matt devin. >> reporter: these are the tea party candidates you were supposed to be following but dave brat has gone to front page news. >> this is the happiest day of my life. and i owe it to all of you in this room number one.

so give yourself a hand. >> reporter: an economics professor from tiny randolph college, anybody but cantor. >> it's not personal, i'm not running against eric. but i'm running against folks who stay up there too long and turn from the district to represent folks in d.c. >> reporter: brat went after cantor for not staying true to republican principles. >> i do not think eric cantor understands who they are. >> reporter: he picked up mark levin and laura ingraham. >> the voters of the seventh district are being barraged with things like this, radical professor, i'm going to throw granny off the cliff. these are the depths to which eric cantor will go to lie about a good man's record. >> reporter: he's going for a full repeal of obama care and has hammered cantor for backing immigration reform.

>> he voted to give president obama a clean debt ceiling increase, handy is pushing for amnesty. >> 11 million are going back before our congressman cantore and the rest of the democrats announced they're going to let kids stay. >> so sam stein, if you have a guy like that going around your district all the time. and you're holding fund-raisers in washington, d.c., the morning of your election. and going across the country raising money for everybody else because you want to be speaker of the house sometime, that's not good -- i mean, seriously, again, i know people are absolutely shocked when i actually draw from personal experiences when i was in washington, d.c. >> what? >> i suppose i should when talking about this race, talk about when i was a football coach at catholic high school. but what the hell. i'm going to talk about the four races i ran. successfully. i would no-no more be in washington, d.c. within three

miles of my campaign. at a fund-raiser? i mean, knocking on wood. even when -- you know, the last time i won with 80% of the vote, i was sweating it out in august, knocking on doors. holding town hall meetings. going crazy. assumes i was 40 points behind. and most people that like staying in washington, d.c. do that. cantor took his eye off the balle here, didn't he? >> i believe so. i've been studying david brat's record for all of six hours. i know he connected with the voters. i think you actually hit the nail on the head. objectively, i don't think that there was a really great case to make that eric cantor was some sort of a moderate or liberal. the problem, at least to people i contacted in republican and democratic circles was there was a lack of sincerity in eric

keernt. take immigration reform, he was sending out mailers in the last few weeks arguing he was anti-amnesty. and anti-immigration in the race. and people just laughed at it because he had been in washington, d.c., making the public lines, always saying that immigration reform wasn't dead. floating the possibility of a dream act. when you do that, you begin to be called an insincere paul. i think that was a big problem for eric cantor last night. >> and al heim, we're going to richmond in a minute. but if you're going to do that, and newt talked about this last night, if you're for the dream act, then go home and hold town hall meetings. and tell people why you're for the dream act. and, say, hey, i do this all the time. you may not agree with me. but listen, here i am. i'm going to be here for two hours. let's talk about this.

and you go across your district, 10, or 20 times by the end of it, people say i don't agree with him completely, but i understand where he's coming from. eric cantor never did that. >> no question, joe, he became out of touch. let me just address immigration for a second. eric cantor was for the dream act but that's only a small business of immigration reform. he's well to the right of marco rubio on immigration. this is not some let them all in, the pathway to citizenship for everybody. for a little bit, sam probably has an hour more of study of mr. brat than i do. but based on my exposure, immigration was an important issue that brat raised and he raised it continuously. i think again, whether it's right or wrong, the message he sends to colleagues is, boy -- >> let me jump in. he raised immigration in a nuanced way.

he framed cantor as being a crony corporatelist. eric cantor wants to bring immigrants into this country to go work for corporations like facebook. he was saying he was doing it for his own political emphasis or political donors. >> and willie geist, and we talked about it on air with a few people here. but this campaign is a textbook way for republicans to win in the future. well, you're not just airport big government. you're anti-big business. you're anti-crony capitalism. >> anti-establishment. >> anti-establishment. and you're just as offended as a big bill on wall street as obamacare. it's the insider's winning. and obamacare, it's the american hospital association and big

pharma and big companies cutting deals so they're taken care of while small businesses are hurt, which the truth. on the bank bailouts, you've got the biggest banks in the world winning while everybody else is getting screwed. last night -- we got to go to richmond first and we'll continue this conversation. >> i know. >> i know everyone wants to jump in. >> by the way, most of us hadn't heard that, brat said, what you're saying right there is basically what he said in his speech last night. let's go to richmond, julian walkered conferred state government for the virginia pilot. julian, good morning. thanks for being on with us. take us inside what happened last night. what we're hearing, most of the reporting coming out that cantor was aloof. that his field evidence was basically nonexistent. he had taken this for granted. he was at a fund-raiser on

capitol hill on election day. what else are we missing about this story here because it was such a shock? >> you're absolutely right. it's shocking. it caused earthquakes within the virginia establishment and circles. longtime republican. there were some hints that there might be trouble on the horizon. but even all the available public polling suggested that a victory for brat would be if he scored over 40%. instead, he won by double digits. and this was not a low turnout primary race. it was 68,000 votes in this district. eric cantor lost his home county which borders between the capitol city. lost hanover county, the county just north of that. meanwhile, in the northern virginia 8th district primary which had multiple democratic candidates, he had 35,000 show up. is this blowing people's minds.

the one thing i would point out again, the hint on the horizon here. just about a month ago, eric cantor's handpicked party boss was defeated for a local seat for the district committee chairmanship after they had an iron grip on that position. >> julian that was obviously seen as a warning sign. from my understanding derrick kitts tweeted out something that more people voted in this 2014 primary than in the 2012 primary in the presidential year. the question is, is that all republican tea party-types? or an open primary where democrats can swarm over and vote against eric cantor because they dislike him so much? >> reporter: well, virginia is not a state for open primaries here. it's probable a mix of both as you pointed out. there was no major tea party group that endorsed dave brat, but the underpinning of this

race, there was tea party support from spokes upset with establishment that many of your panelists have pointed out. i think it's a mix of things. whether this is chaos with democrats crossing over in droves to knock off eric cantor, i'm not sure of that. but i think there's small elements of that in the electorate. >> we've got a lot to get to. another school shooting, this time at the second largest high school in oregon. one student, a 14-year-old was killed. and a teacher was wounded. i believe a coach was. in the 74th shooting at an american school since the massacre in 2012. >> reporter: at 8:00 a.m., emergency calls come in. >> we've got shots fired. and we all have at this point a

shooter with possibly a flak jacket. >> reporter: police and tactical gear move in. a shooter is on the loose. he saw the gunman. >> she was carrying a gun running out with one of our teachers. >> reporter: the track teacher was wounded and will recover. he was armed with a rifle, a law enforcement service tells nbc news he was a student and it's believed the gunman took his own life. students hungered down while officers swept the school, classroom by classroom. >> the cops came in with their guns and evacuated us out. >> we saw people running everywhere. people screaming. we didn't know what was going on. we went to the back of the classroom, we were all scared. >> reporter: frantic parents gathered just off campus, tense moments as they waited for their children. >> i just want to hug my girl. i just want to hold her. i just want to hold her tight and get her home.

>> i'll tell you, if -- >> reporter: one by one, students emerged. tearful reunions. families embracing. denise blalock finally back with son tate. >> eye just got to touch him and know he's okay. >> reporter: many have questions, what was the shooter's motive. white bloodshed in this latest school shooting that has claimed more lives. >> it's becoming commonplace, when you break down 74 school shootings since december 14th, 2012, that equals more than one incident per school week. is that where we are? there have been ten alone in georgia, followed by seven in florida, tennessee, and north carolina, also multiple incidentses there. there's been a sharp increase in the number of shootings so far this year. there have been 37 different

incidents so far which is nearly double in this time in 2013 when there were 19 school shootings. >> willie, we talked about this obviously a lot after sandy hook. you look at the 74 shootings at schools. >> nothing has changed. >> yesterday was the last day, jack and kate's last day. at school, you go there and bring them home. then you hear these stories that there's just -- every week, it is an average every week. of a school shooting. and the second you start talking about shootings both sides go to their corners. the liberals immediately say it's all about gun control. and republicans immediately say, you know, it's video games or hollywood culture. but, i mean, we got to figure something out. >> you know, you watch that piece from miguel -- >> this is the status quo. this status quo is unacceptable. it is unacceptable. to say this is the way america

is unacceptable. >> no parent should have to stand outside police tape or outside the school and wonder if their child is going to come out dead. that just shouldn't happen. >> that's where we are. >> school is supposed to be a safe place. it's supposed to jar us. we're not just talking guns here. sandy hook was supposed to jar us into change. and if you look at the past year and a half since sandy hook, nothing's changed. nothing. absolutely nothing. it is an epidemic. it is an epidemic that continues. we talked about it before. you just can't talk about guns. you just can't talk about a violent culture. you can't talk about mental health. you have to talk about all of them in tandem. but nobody would. everybody went to their correspondence. again, once a week on average there say shooting at a school. this is not the price of admission for a free society. i'm sorry. this is not the price of admission for a free society.

so, you know what, you go ahead and you do whatever, say whatever you want to say on the internet in your crazed corners, but we parents want to be able to take our children to school. and washington ought to be able to figure out how to come together, get people in the far right, people in the far left. and get the rest of us in the sensible center on this issue of keeping children safe in school. >> it's a failure on the right and the left. a complete and utter failure and lack of leadership. absolutely nothing has changed since newtown. it's gotten worse. >> really. >> this san epidemic. >> i would say if you're a lawmaker in washington, you're wearing this, sorry. >> i actually think it's more a failure of the center than the right and left. because the vast majority of the country agrees with you, right? if you have an issue where -- this is an issue where the dominance of the far left and far right has trumped the silent majority in the middle.

somehow, the people in the middle of our politics have not been able to triumph over the people with the far extreme. i actually put more responsibility. even though the left and right are more damnable. the people who are failing, those in the center who represent 80% of the opinion on this issue, and yet still can't actually get legislation passed through. how is it that you can't -- how is it that you can't get something passed when you have 80% approval on it? it's crazy. >> let's look at it again. put the number up. how many shootings at sandy hook, since 20 little children were slaughtered at sandy hook. 70 incidents since those 20 little children got slaughtered. and that was going to make the big difference. and we're going to have a real conversation about guns. we were going to have a real conversation about mental health. we were going to have a real conversation about violence in this culture. and we have had nothing. washington has done absolutely nothing. and everybody can blame the

right. everybody can blame the left. it really doesn't matter. we've got kids in school, okay? keep our kids safe when they go to school to learn. a shooting, at one point, 74 shooters, per week, that's status quo. >> that's america. >> that is not acceptable. that is not acceptable. we've got to do something about it. >> washington we don't want a country where we're scared to send our kids to school. that's what we have right now. still ahead on "morning joe," congressman xavier becerra and peter king will weigh on in on the laws in washington. that's coming up. and gm officials facing new scrutiny. and ceo mary barra cannot rule out more debts in relationship to the switch recall. we'll speak exclusively to the crisis manager. up next, u.s. diabetes on the rise. and a stunning amount of people don't even know they have the

illness. >> oh, that's terrible. that's terrible. people had diabetes and didn't know it for a while. blindness, organ failure. that's critical. >> we'll have that story right now. and right now, bill karins has a check of the forecast. >> good morning, umbrellas needs, washington, d.c., raining overhead but to your south, we have a thunderstorm that's going to be crossing over the chess a chesapeake shortly. rain about to arrive in the newark, delaware area, philadelphia, an hour and a half for you. redding in hazleton and allentown, get ready for a.m. rain for your morning commute. other showers up in new york state as well. a lot of wet weather to be dealt with. this afternoon, we actually get a chance of additional strong storms. maybe even a few tornadoes. the area of concern from

pittsburgh, all the way from west virginia, the northern half of the state of virginia, including the d.c. area and the richmond area, you're in risk of severe storms later today. wind damage definitely and even large hail. of course, this will be a two-day event for this area. d.c. to philly to pittsburgh today. then on thursday, we'll watch stronger storms up farther to the north. the rest of country, we do have strong storms likely. atlanta, the airport can be delayed. also our friends in florida with typical afternoon storms. new york city, light drizzle should clear up by this afternoon. you're watching "morning joe."

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♪ time now to take a look at the "morning papers." as we just recover. the "the new york times" insurgency in iraq is raising new concerns over the stability of the region. sunni militants belonging to an al qaeda affiliate are now in control of iraq's second largest

city, defeating iraqi security forces in mosul. as they abandon their posts the militanted frees prisoners took control of military bases, seizing weapons and cache stockpiles. 500,000 iraqis have left the city. >> you look at that. boy, i sure wish americans were still there. >> stop. >> no way, no, i'm actually glad. >> well, there you go. moving on to the next paper -- >> "the washington post" ted cruz is 100% american this morning. >> oh, isn't he? >> a spokesperson showed a documentation from canadian government officials that show the texas senator ceased to be a canadian citizen as of last month. >> what's wrong with that, if i've got dual citizenship, right? i'm keeping it, i'm going up to the montreal jazz festival. >> he's glorious and free.

>> it's a discount. you guys have been up to montreal? have you been there? >> once for a bar mitzvah years ago. >> okay. i have failed in sage horrible -- i have heard nothing but extraordinary things about montreal. you've got to go up there. they've got a great music festival in the summer. this is the year i'm going to montreal, for bar mitzvah or -- >> direct flights daily. >> i know, it's quick. >> "the boston globe" -- the fda is proposing a major reversal on its stance for fish consumption for pregnant women. listen. the agency is now recommending women should have a minimum of 8 to 12 ounces of low-mercury fish every week. >> this changes everything. >> women were previously told to totally avoid fish during pregnancy. >> look at this about diabetes. >> this changes everything,

though, willie and i, you know, we're going to be there through the world cup smoking our cigarettes at the holiday inn. you know, a lot of time people will come in and randomly ask for medical advice. we've been giving very bad medical advice to pregnant women. >> and giving out prescriptions. >> have the trout. have the trout. >> the modesto bee, a new report says a jaw-dropping 29 million americans have diabetes. >> wow. >> 29 million. that's about 1 in 11 people. an increase of 3 million from three years ago. research also suggests about a third of the adult population have suggest gag levels that classify them as prediabetic. >> mika you and i were talking offline about the change it's in american diet. this big push about getting away from meat, getting away from

fats. sugar-free cookie, sugar-free that. we're shoving so many carbs into our body. actually -- i'll tell you the more i read, the more i'm going to change my diet. i've been moving further away from meats, red meats. i'm still not going to eat a lot of them. but this whole idea that you stay away from fats. let's just say fats in general for vegetarians that are out there. the idea of just staying away from fats, not a great idea. we're carving out people's sugar levels are going way up. it's certainly -- it's having a huge impact on obesity rates and also causing diabetes. >> having a balanced diet. it's okay to have certain things in it. we've been talking all morning about money and politics and how it's impacting everything from hillary clinton's book tour which we have to update as well to congressman cantor's stunning loss. let's bring in the political writer for "the new york times"

nicholas consori. how was "the new york times"? >> it was amazing. there were shouts coming out of the newsroom. >> we were at the event. and people were walking around in circles looking at their blackberrys. it was all social and then everybody was -- >> looking down. >> everybody was on their phones and googling david brat. who is this guy? where is he from? >> who is his campaign manager, i'm hearing one of them, 23 years old. >> this is a true luke skywalker moment in politics. this guy, he's tea party, right? but he didn't even have the national tea party groups, right? tea party express or clubford growth. there was no outside spending campaign and people saying get this guy. it was just him and grassroots activists and his own campaign. >> i want to go back to al.

it's remarkable, as much as you covered politics, as much as you know washington, d.c., i want you to underline what you said earlier. this is the big electoral shock that you've witnessed since reporting in washington, d.c. in all the years you've been there? >> yeah, i think so. you know, joe, house majority leader hadn't lost a race in 200 years. i didn't cover those 200 years ago. but it really is shocking. there have been general election upsets that may be the equal of this but to see someone so well established and having such a huge financial advantage. and you know what, i agree totally that eric cantor came out of touch in this district, aloof sand the like. but when he was painted as a squishy moderate, an accommodationist, he was really seen as one of the more hardline leaders. sometimes in opposition to boehner. you put all of that together and you found out he was at a

fund-raiser in washington, as you heard a moment ago, it was just a shocker. >> talk radio making your piece talked about. in presidential ads, paid media and earned media. talk radio is such a big force in the republican primary. they were behind him. >> i've got a pushback going here because talk radio means absolutely nothing in presidential contests. we saw it in '12, when they were against romney. we saw it in '08. from rush, to hannity, to laura ingraham, you name it, they all hated john mccain. it doesn't make a difference in this ris, but it didn't make a difference in lindsey graham race. >> because candidate quality matters. they back the guy who we've seen is a quality candidate. no one running against lindsey graham was a quality candidate.

he went to his constituents and he explained his positions. cantor did not. and that makes a difference. all i'm saying, the talk radio piece got this guy visibility. got people his message out there in a way he couldn't do with his limited budget. >> and cantor outphased brat by 25 to 1. there's something intangible here. >> but you know, eric cantor spent more money throwing fund-raisers at steakhouses than david brat spent on his entire campaign. i can't think of a better symbol of this campaign and what was happening here than the conservative establishment guy who is a big player in national fund-raising and the college professor with the shoestring campaign. >> this has shaken the political world for the first time in a long time. nicholas confessore, thank you so much. we'll be back in just a moment. tuning these small cells

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♪ 47 past the hour. judge's decision in california could have an impact on teachers across the country. the ruling declared california's law on teacher tenure and seen yourty unconstitutional. it says the policies including a last in, first out rule, jeopardized the chances for students to succeed. the court also found that lower income and minority students are most impacted by the policies. but teacher unions say they will appeal. joining us now msnbc contributor mike barnicle, great stuff. you can catch it online. and journalist and founder of the nonprofit parents transparency project campbell brown. campbell, good to have you on the show. >> good morning, guys. >> you've been following this from the get-go, what's the big deal? >> yes, this case was filed more than two years ago. i've been following the case

about a year. huge deal. what's fascinating for years these laws were politically untouchable. the judge in this ruling was so unequivocal, saying the ruling was toe compelling it it shocks. with rules and dismissal protections so potentially you have this that could open the floodgates for similar litigation happening all over the country. >> what's remarkable in other states, teachers' tenure has been done away with. but here, it's sort of the bedrock for support for teachers unions. now you have the judiciary going after it. this is -- you're really seeing teacher s unions being challenged. >> you know, it's funny, when you actually lay out the laws and what they mean, for most people, it's common sense. >> give us an example.

>> well 18 months, a teacher essentially has permanent employment where they're not even being evaluated anymore that the stage. the last in, first owl, senioritity rules in california the most egregious example of how that plays out, the teacher of the year was laid off. and much more were kept on. and dismissal protection. and we have similar laws here in new york, make it so hard and so expensive to remove a grossly ineffective teacher. and in some cases, an abusive teacher, that we have people still on the payroll here in new york. they did the same thing in california who have been found guilty of inappropriate sexual behavior. >> you know, willie, a lot of this, it's about the v.a. it's impossible to fire somebody at the v.a. april lotch tea a lot of teachers -- a lot of parents have gotten angry. so it doesn't make it as competitive as others so it looks like things might be changing. >> we talk about modernizing the

education system and making it better and more efficient. so the idea you that couldn't fire someone who is not performing well is empathetical to that. if you want to a company like google, the best people move up and the best people survive. maybe that's a spot in the other direction. do you see this happening in other states, campbell, where litigation is pending? >> not yet. i don't think other cases have been filed yet, but probably will be. but i think people see an opportunity here, where for years, they failed at the legislative level to change some of these. they've certainly tried in multiple state to the get this through state legislatures. what's interesting, there's been this longtime political alliance, obviously, between the teachers union and the democratic party that changed. when this decision was announced yesterday, arne duncan called it a mandate for change. it was endorsed by george miller, obama has been a huge supporter. at state legislature, at the

state level, the union is still powerful. here you see parents being so frustrated that they're willing to go to this extreme and bypass the legislative process. >> sam stein has a quick question. >> i confess, i haven't been following this. campbell, can you tell me what the law that was ruled unconstitutional? >> there were five statutes that dealt with teacher tenure which is automatic permit employment after 18 months in california. >> yeah. >> the last in, first out, se seniority rules which means that seniority defines how layoffs take place. and dismissal protections similar to ones we have on the books here in new york, give teachers multiple appeals that go way beyond due process. >> yeah, but why were they ruled unconstitutional? what level did they violate? >> the way it works, the defense in this case had to prove there was a reason for the laws.

the burden was on the defense here, so the judge decided the laws had -- this is a really important point to make because this is the heart of what it was really about. the judge said they voluntary a disproportionate effect on minority kids on the poorest and most disadvantaged kids because they end up with the newest tkn teachers. >> the bill basically said that poorest children weren't getting quality education. but the potential ripple effect, isn't part of this, part of it was funded by a very wealthy silicon valley executive in california. what's the purpose of this becoming a national movement? >> well, at the heart of it was parents. yes, that's where the funding came from. but it was nine families who had to go through this. think ash the courage that it took. they had to go before a judge, they had to be very public in explaining what was going on in their classroom. naminging their teacher, what was happening, why they thought

they were getting a bad education. many of these students were still in this school dealing with those teachers while this was going on. you can have all the money in the world, unless parents are willing to step forward and be plaintiffs, parents and students, then the cases aren't going to go forward. i hear people says this is being run by wealthy people who are trying to change these laws. but the fact of the matter is nothing happens unless parents sorry frustrated with the system that they're willing to step forward and see this through. this was two years of their lives. at the end of it, all they had to gain was hopefully a better education for their kids. >> campbell brown, thank you so much. coming up, gm in crisis. we have an exclusive interview with the company's adviser. he's going to tell us how gm plans to move past deadly mistakes. "morning joe" will be right back. (mother vo) when i was pregnant...

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joe." mark halperin with us. and joy reid. in washington, the editorial director of the national journal, ron fournier. a lot to get to this morning. let's get right to it. one of the most powerful leaders in congress is on his way out. if you haven't heard the name dave brat, who is dave brat? well, you're not alone. brat, a college professor, has unseated eric cantor winning by 12 points in the republican primary. it is an upset that has sent shock waves through washington. cantor who rode a wave of tea party victories in 2010 to become house majority leader suddenly found himself on the wrong end of support. and addressed stunned supporters last night. >> obviously, we came up short. i know there's a lot of long faces here tonight. and it's disappointing, sure. but i believe in this country.

i believe there's opportunity around the next corner for all of us so i look forward to continuing to fight with all of you for the things that we believe in. for the conservative cause, because those solutions of ours are the answer to the problems that so many people are facing today. thank you all, very, very much. >> the upset surprised both parties from southern republicans to nancy pelosi, who, for example, was having a different party last night. and reportedly, it turned into an an impromptu conversation. if you're following polls, cantor's race seemed to be air tight with a 44% lead. and cantor was clobbering brat 25 to 1 spending more on steak. as in steak to eat. not everyone was caught by surprise, though. the chamber of commerce said they began to see warning signs

weeks ago, offered to help. but according to "the washington post" they were, quote, waved off. because i guess they thought it was good. >> so what happened last night, mark? >> cantor clearly out of touch with his district to some extent. he was running against a good candidate who had a good message for the times. i think most republicans i'm talking to are saying don't read too much into this. the why of cantor losing is less important than what happens now. watch thad cochran's race in mississippi. and watch the house leadership. how do republicans react. will they ever do a deal with president obama after this. >> joy reid, i'll tell you why it's been a bad year for the tea party in election after election after election after election. but last night, boy, that leveled the playing field, as far as if you're a tea party supporter that wants to take down a republican establishment member. last night was a huge win for

you? >> yeah, and i think the streak of losses kind of also insulated people from the potential outcome here. the conventional wisdom was just so thorough. nobody anticipated it. i find it hard that anybody anticipated it. everybody believed he's going to win. "the washington post" characterized it as a wash. i know a lot of smart people in this business, in our business, who were in south carolina last night because that seemed like that was going to be the more interesting race. you know what, elections are only about one thing, getting more of your voters out than the other guy. it's not about spending. it's not about money. and the citizens united world never has lots of money been more useless in a campaign. >> ron fournier, there was a lot of data to refute that poll. internal polling had cantor up 34 points. there was a good metaphor from a reporter in "the washington post" that eric cantor yesterday on his own election day was on capitol hill at a starbucks

holding a national fundraising metering was not in his district not focused on the campaign. what happened here? >> this is a guy who was much more interested in becoming house speaker than he was representing his district. and this is indicative of what you see, i think, across political lines in the country right now. voters are tired of the establishment, they're tired of politicians putting their party and themselves ahead of voters and the national interest. this should be a wake-up call to all of establishment. democratic and republican. that the electorate out there is just really upset. and they're not sure what to do about it, so they're doing unusual quirky things and throwing out the house majority leader is indicative of a much bigger problem we have in politics. >> the big question, of course, how did his pollsters get it so wrong. by the way, dave brat, i will repeat this, his campaign manager is 23 years old. the national journal spoke to john mclaughlin who did the poll

who reportedly been paid $28,000 since 2013 by cantor, quoted unexpected turnout? and he made a reference to former congressman ben jones who also starred in the tv show "dukes of hazzard." jones call to run against dave brat in the open primary. he here's the bottom line, everybody is trying to figure out what happened. what happened? >> it's simple. you have a candidate who was out of touch with his district. that's what it comes down to. we've seen seen it on this grand of a scale. but my time in washington, you could see it time and time again where somebody was out every night they were going from another fund-raiser to another fund-raiser. they would stay up on the

weekend. go to redskins football games with lobbyists. they would do all of these things, not just have a good time because if they were assistant w.h.i.p., they wanted to become w.h.i.p. they wanted become majority leader, they wanted to be speaker. eventually -- ron fournier, my first two years, first elected in my district since 1873, i wanted to make sure i didn't get beat the next year. i held 200 town hall meetings. we had a really hard schedule by congressional standards. the first year in the contract with america, we worked around the clock. late nights, i would go home and hole six, seven, eight town hall meetings on saturday and sunday and then i would go back. and i knew everybody, shaking everybody's hand in my district, got every vote in the republican primary. that's why i averaged 80%

republican primaries and democrats just gave up on me. on the other side of it, you get eric cantor, is this a metaphor to end all metaphors. eric cantor spending more money on steak dinners than his opponent spent on his entire campaign. that is the definition of a guy out of touch. he talks about big government all the time. he was too connected with big business, and he paid for it. >> and i agreed completely with that but don't underestimate the scale of this. he is not the only politician in washington who has lost connection with his voters. >> oh, my god -- >> the republican party is not the only party who has lost connection. this is just a small sign. >> here's john boehner, eric cantor and i have been through a lot together. he's a good friend and a great leader. and someone i've come to rely

upon on a daily basis as we make the tough choices that come with governing. my thoughts are with him and diane and their kids tonight. >> i have heard people trying to make something of this other than the tea party. people on the right are saying the same thing. and about trying to make this about immigration. well, because -- i mean, some people -- i have always said, people are not as ideological as we try them to make them in washington. or in new york. and you've got lindsey graham who won in south carolina. a far more conservative state than virginia's 7th congressional district. he was so far out there in immigration reform that his opponents called it grahamnesty. >> right. >> we have other republicans, a poll that was taken by the tea party express and other political groups that say a large number of republicans, even tea party members support some form of immigration reform.

you can look at all the polls and look at the numbers out there. if we tried to boil this down to immigration reform then we're going to miss the bigger story. this is a guy who was out 0 of touch with his district. >> yes. and as pointed out earlier on the show, eric cantor was still to the right of immigration reform. certainly, somebody like marco rubio and, sam stein, you have to look at every race. lindsey graham, as joe said, he was out there, arguably, much more conservative than cantor's district. you read on twitter, guys, it's about knocking on doors, it's about serving your districts, being in your district, let this be a cautionary tale. >> yes, joe, sort of talked about this in the last hour and i agree with it, it's that you have to have sincerity and belief in yourics.

s. eric cantor was for a variation of the dream act. he continued to say that immigration reform was alive. but then he would go around his district and call himself the most anti-immigration in the race. and a lot of the voters thought that was a big problem for him. >> we've got peter king on in just a second. this is a sign for potentially trouble for republicans and democrats, how so? >> it's trouble for both parties. washington out of touch. washington has never been more out of touch than the rest of america than they are out. it's the republican party. it's the democratic party. people look at washington. you can look at the numbers. and, joy, i think we're going to see surprises not only among republicans, but also democrats as well. i think there are going to be more incumbents in washington too long that are going to have to face the music. >> well, if you've worked in campaigns and run campaigns you know the most dangerous thing in

the world are military elections because they're wildcards. you can't really do polling. it's not the same sample you take when doing a poll. the bottom line who is going to motivate themselves in the emergency room summer when they've got kids to feed and meals to cook than to get in line and vote for you. what eric cantor did, he raised tons and tons of money and put it on television. when i worked in the campaign, i was in communications. everybody wants to be in communications. but you know what wins campaigns? field. field wins campaigns. that's what wins campaigns. >> you're exactly right. if you're running a presidential campaign, you need those ads on tv. >> that's right. >> if you're running in a big state like california, florida, you know what, 30-second ads, that's going to win it for you. you're exactly right, which a commercial district, it's knocking on doors. peter king, i don't know how you first got elected. let's bring in the republican

congressman from new york. peter king. i don't know how you got elected. nobody knew who i was. i knocked on doors. and you can win the way this guy won last night in congressional races. it doesn't happen often, but you can. what happened? >> first of all, joe, i don't think anyone saw this coming. i know there's a lot of analysis. yesterday, if you went around the house floor, people thought if eric got less than 65% of the vote it could have been considered a defeat. it's just a question of how high the majority was going to be. whether or not brat was going to get 25%, 30%, 35% of the vote. whether or not eric had lost touch, i don't know. i'm not in that district. but i think there's more to it than that. two years ago in the primary, he got 79% of the vote. so i think it's a combination of maybe, once you're in leadership, or by the nature of the job, you do get more removed from your district because you

have national obligations. going into the party as a whole. so you're traveling around. you are raising money. >> but let me ask you this, would you ever, would you ever be in washington, d.c., holding a fund-raiser meeting in a starbucks on the day of your primary election? >> no. >> that's crazy. >> that's unfathomable. >> again, maybe i'm from a little different breed from you, joe, i do believe on the ground politics. i come from a political organization in new york. we are looking forward -- >> you guys agree. >> you can't be anymore on the ground than me, talks on 10,000 doors with the appear against he. >> sure. >> this is a guy, may i remind you, willie geist, who told "the washington post" that he didn't know where it came from, but he knew he was built for it coming out of the revival. >> exactly.

and he's built for it now. >> you hurt me, peter. you hurt me. >> i'm glad i hurt you. but i will agree with you, saying there are different ways of getting it. you were on the ground going door to door. i came from a political organization where we were always on the ground. we had the local committeeman. we would hear people's local grievances pipe had a local law practice. it was not big money, it was not washington. i ran against a guy who didn't understand the district. he was beating me by ten points and he stopped spending money but i had troops on the ground. so i would agree with you in a different way. you had your own people out there. i had a strong organization that was door to door. >> you know what, he just come out with me. >> in a different way. >> you can't run campaigns from washington. >> you sure can't. you're exactly right. >> and different ways of doing it locally. you did it with your volunteers.

i did it with my organization. >> is immigration reform dead in the house over the next year or two? >> my concern is a lot of things are going to be dead and pushed aside. i'm concerned that the ted cruz supporters, the rand paul supporters, are going to use this as an excuse to basically stop the government from functioning. thank god there's no debt ceiling bill coming up. thank god there's no way to shut the government down in the next few months because i think we'll get bogged down in those issues. i think we're going to see basically established in the next four months. >> let's bring in sam stein. >> two of the harrah sees that cantor committed. i'm wondering, you hinted of it, you said it, much of a drift will your party take to being completely opposed to president obama on all grounds in the next

several months? >> it's not even being opposed to president obama, raising the debt ceiling, you have to do it. what ted cruz did last year was suicidal. so we can't allow eric's defeat last night allow the ted cruzes and rand pauls to take over the party. because this is not conservatism. to me, shutting down the government is not being a conservative. >> one last question, do you expect congressman cantor to remain as majority leader through his tenure through november? >> well, i think that will resolve itself. i don't want to be saying anything critical of eric today. again, he's a friend. he's going to have to decide what he's going to do. i will say, during the night i was getting texts and e-mails from all the people who say they want to run. >> who? name names. >> yeah, that's news. >> yeah. i'm just saying i got them. already, the campaigns are beginning. you're going to see different

wings of the party running. it's going to be different wings of the conservative movement. i hope it's not the ted cruz types. >> willie geist. >> i was going to ask you to elaborate on that what do you mean by the ted cruz types. you said last night it if we go the ted cruz route we'll be marginalized by the responsible party. what do you mean by that? >> let's go back to last october, all of us agree that the government shutdown was kill us. thank god obamacare turned out to be such a failure in the rollout. otherwise, the overall majority of the country thought we were crazy, irresponsible. and yet, we had so many republicans following ted cruz doing that, thinks that was the way to go. and that alienated us in the country. it made them more popular in their districts, it made them stronger against their owe possiblity primary challenger but it alienated the country which makes it difficult to win in 2016 as a national governing

party. >> congressman king, thank you very much. >> joe get a pair of socks, will you. get a pair of socks, will you? >> the hatefulness. >> no, i mean, think about it, seven years. >> you know why -- joy reid, you want to know why nothing gets done in washington, d.c., it's because people like peter king hate when loving would be so much easier. >> it's a good day when he's wearing them. congressman peter king, thank you. >> hey hello to joe for me. >> he just like -- sam stein, thank you so much. >> ron fournier, we love you. you can catch video in "the reid report" on msnbc. joy didn't come to the planning meetings. she stays at home and takes them on the phone. coming up next, we've got

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president obama pulled an unusual maneuver yesterday afternoon. typically, when he goes anyplace outside the white house, there's a poll of reporters that watch the president's every move. yesterday, he gave them the slip. obama and his chief of staff ran to starbucks on their own. you can see president obama shaking some hands. he got the full starbucks experience. if we can zoom in there, they even got his name wrong on the cup. [ laughter ] >> let's bring in -- when you really think about it, there's

not a clear reason. let's bring in msnbc chuck todd. and also with us congressman javier becerra of california. and joy reid as well along with mike barnicle. chuck what happened? >> it was the perfect storm. anybody wants to say tea party, tea party, tea party. that's sort of a cheap and easy think to say nationally, but when you think about it in particular, it's immigration. particularly in these southern races we see that issue animates the base like no other. in a way, it's hotter than any other issue that animated the tea party before. and throw in the news that happened in the last 48 hours, right, the flooding of the border by unaccompanied minors. it gave urgency to brat's message, right? if you're a candidate, you're making your accusation to your

opponent about specifically the immigration and the dream act, something that eric cantor wants. and it sort of umps credibility and urgency. oh, by the way, throw in a low turnout primary and it all came together. >> so, chuck, the question is what happened to lindsey graham in south carolina, the guy in the original gang of six or gang of eight. or in fact so low by tea party members in that state. they didn't call it amnesty. they called it grahamnesty. lindsay want easily. and the south carolina primary more conservative than virginia 7th. >> i don't know. >> that is not a right wing, red hot district. >> however, this was actually a redrawn district to become more republ republican and more conservative during the last cycle. let's not split hairs. >> but the larger issue, why say it's because there wasn't a

single opponent. you know this, joe, sometimes, you need to have a single opponent channeling a single message. in many ways, graham benefited from the fact he didn't have that. he didn't have a single opponent to respond to. and graham, instead of trying to fight back on immigration, he changed the subject. he said, look, those are my views, i'm going to stick by them. hey, by the way, i'll impeach obama if i find out he releases any more guys at gitmo. what did he start doing ten days before, he started throwing out the "i" word. i think he placated the conservative base than cantor. cantor was reactive and defensive. >> you know what else lindsey does? lindsey goes home. got a lot of friends in south carolina. i've been down there a lot. lindsey is always there.

everybody has a story. i saw lindsay last week, we went to a frisch fry. i saw lindsey last week, he was at the rotary club. lindsey's down there and he's working it and he's a u.s. senator. >> and that's been the knock for cantor, he wasn't in the district. >> 90 miles away! get in the car, dude, drive down i-95, man. >> let's bring in congressman becerra. congressman, let me start with your reaction to the news that cantor lost? >> it was a surprise, no doubt. better said, earthquake. my sense is i'd probably fall more in the peter king camp here that it likely was the result of being disconnected. somewhat out of touch with the district. at the end of the day, people want to us get things done. with this do nothing legislature, eventually when you do nothing than message bills, and they send you a message, they don't like it and they

react. i suspect that's what we saw in the 7th district of virginia. >> congressman, you just used the phrase people want you to get things done. given the results last night in the cantor election what are the prospects for something, getting anything done, not just this term, but the following term leading into a presidential election. are they zero or where are they? >> i think people make a big mistake if they confuse the result in eric's race with getting immigration reform done. the question on immigration reform is not if we'll get it done, it's when we'll get it done. it's going to get done. even the majority of republicans throughout the country, including eric cantor's own congressional district support immigration reform. comprehensive immigration reform. what people want to know how to get it done so we don't have to get it ton in ten years. i believe what we're hearing

here say message, get your work done. any republican who believes this is not a message to get immigration reform i think they do that at their peril. and for republicans in the house, my sense is they're now squeezed between doing things the tea party way and the american way. and they're going to find that it's a lot harder to do things the tea party way than it is the american way. >> you know, congressman, i'm wondering if this actually might actually be the opposite message. because you already have speaker boehner hamstrung by members of his congress. and he's had to go around a lot of things. with cantor not there, some people argue that he wasn't always behind john boehner 100%. >> you can't outright the par right. and maybe eric's loss is a message of that. i believe at the end of the day, eric cantor was trying to get some things done within this

republican conference. clearly, they haven't had a chance to come together as a group to get that done. but to believe that this is a signal to do nothing, i don't think americans want a congress that does nothing. we elect people to get things done. >> you sense that immigration is dead. >> congressman, you got one right now. walk around your district. you got one right now. chuck todd, let me ask you something, what does this do to the google political map for potential republican candidates for president? >> well, i think it just -- look, if you're jeb bush this morning and you're thinking about running, you realize -- and if you need more proof on the immigration issue. look, i don't see how republicans -- i think they've run away from the immigration issue. i think they're very nervous. by the way, i think this cantor defeat could reenergize some to target lamar alexander who has got an august primary. pat roberts, two senators with aug primaries.

we've written off their challeng challengers, underfunded. but you can watch, i go back to rural and southern parts of this country on immigration issues. look, we've seen immigration almost destroy john mccain's candidacy. arguably it did, nobody could fill the gap in '08. we saw immigration basically end rick perry. it's how romney survived a conservative challenge. how much more evidence do we need that immigration will absolutely tear the republican party apart whenever they're dealing with it as an issue inside their party. >> all right. it happens. they're going to have to have a strong leader that knows how to articulate the vision. and why we need comprehensive immigration reform. we have a lot of republicans out there. you look at the polls. there are a lot of republicans out there that actually believe we need immigration reform but my gosh -- >> but, joe, if the definition of amnesty is some day, somebody

who got here illegally could some day in 20 years become a citizen, if that is the definition of amnesty inside the republican party and the base, how do you do it? >> well, chuck, i do not think, and i may be standing alone here. but i do not think that's what last night said. >> you're not standing alone, joe. >> what's that? >> you're not standing alone. >> it's a trap to believe you can do nothing and get away with it. there are right now in the house of representatives, there are a majority of votes to pass immigration reform because we know there are republicans, as joe just said, that are willing to vote for this. look, the longer they let this simmer, the worse it gets within their party. but please don't equate the tea party republicans with americans. that's a different -- it's a different animal. >> well, there are -- i can show you a poll that shows that the majority of tea party americans also want immigration reform. but they want to make sure that it's not going to be this

massive comprehensive bill that is going to end up granting the sort of amnesty that ronald reagan allowed in the 1980s. they wanted to be smart. they wanted to be measured. they wanted to be just. they wanted to be compassionate. and right now, there's not a republican leader that has expressed what this bill really is going to do. and i will tell you,s, congressman, it's my belief if a eric cantor had held 100 town meetings in his district and said this is the immigration bill that i'm supporting, or that i'm thinking about putting together, better yet, is going to do. what it's going to mean not only for virginia's 7th but the state and america, if they had given that to his people, they would have trusted him. and anybody out there that sits talking into a microphone or typing on to a laptop that doesn't think that's the case, that underestimates the american

people, you just haven't actually done what i've done. you haven't actually done what the congressman's done. it's easy for you to talk and yammer. but trust the american people. and i'm not saying that you have to support one form of immigration reform or another. i'm just saying, congressman, if eric believed in it, he could have talked to his people and explained it. and he didn't, he was holding fund-raisers at starbucks on the day of his election in washington, d.c. >> you give americans some face time, a chance to actually go at it with you, and they give you a lot, even if they don't agree with you. what americans want to know that their politicians aren't so out of touch that they're never going to be care to come back home to discuss an issue with them. as you just said, most, even tea party republican, would be for immigration reform. it's how you do it. and as as long as you explain it, people will say, get to it. but get things done.

>> i would be very very respan if i didn't when somebody said i agree with you but i voted for you. >> you have a lot of that. >> congressman. >> congressman becerra, great to see you. chuck todd, we'll be watching "the daily rundown" at 9:00 a.m. big show today. all stations come over to mission a for a final go. this is for real this time. step seven point two one two. verify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies to places beyond it.

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not vote, you do. a miracle has happened. this is a miracle of god. >> thanks to that man, one of the most powerful leaders of congress is on his way out. if you hadn't heard the name dave brat before last night, you're not alone. he's a virginia college professor. he has unseated eric cantor, winning by 12 points in the republican primary. it's an upset that has sent shock waves through virginia. cantor found himself on the wrong end of support and addressed stunned supporters last night. >> obviously we came up short. i know there's a lot of long faces here tonight and it's disappointing, sure. but i believe in this country, i believe there's opportunity around the next corner for all of us. so i look forward to continuing to fight with all of you for the things that we believe in for

the conservative cause because those solutions of ours are the answer to the problems that so many people are facing today. thank you all very, very much. >> the sup jet surprised both parties from southern republicans to nancy pelosi, whose dinner party last night reportedly turned into an impromptu celebration. cantor's hold on the seat appeared to be airtight with a 34-point lead. as of the most recent deadlines, cantor was cloborring brat in fund-raising 25-1, even spending more on steak than brat spent during his entire campaign. not everyone, though, was caught by surprise. the chamber of commerce said they began seeing warning signs weeks ago and offered to help but according to "the washington post" they were, quote, waved off. big news, a complete shocker overnight. good morning, everyone. it's wednesday, june 11th. we have mark halpern with us and

political analyst michael steele and senior political editor and correspondent for the huffington post sam stein. wow. >> we were all out last night. mika and i were at a "new york times" event and people started whispering. guys came up, held up a blackberry and said "look at this, he's losing." you were out at an event last night and absolute total shock. >> mark and i were at a dinner together with a couple other people who know a lot about politics. i would say the reaction at the total inkra jewelity like this must be the onion. and really? seriously? really, really? and the questions beginning how could this have happened? there are few things that happen in politics that are genuinely

surprising. this is one of those things. when something happens like this, it knocks everyone back on their heels and everyone has to figure out what does this mean. there are some obvious implications and less obvious implications. >> this guy brad had i think two people working for him. his campaign manager is 23 years old. what big picture? what happened? >> people are going to be trying to figure that out down the road. i can tell you, though, i stopped being scared of flying when i flew across the country with a pilot once that basically told me, son, relax. when an airplane goes down, it not because one thing happens unless an asteroid falls out of the sky and hits it, it's a hundred things happening. it's a lot of people. people warned not to jump too quickly. lindsay graham, who is really at the center of what his critics

call grahamesty, he won big and so you can't ever tell. this is a guy that had to, and i say had to be out of touch with his district. the fact that he spent more money on steak than his opponent spent on his entire campaign -- >> good steak, though. >> let's not knock him for that. >> people are going to try to figure out the why over the next couple of days and clearly a lot will have to do with immigration, a lot will have to do with the fact he went with a national profile. he went with a tv strategy rather than a grass roots strategy, didn't bring in people like rand paul and other tea party leaders to help him. the implications are a much bigger story than the why he lost. what happens in congress now? what happens in the republican party? some republicans criticize the press and democrats for saying there's a war within the republican party. make no mistake, there's a war within the republican party. how the party deals with this, what lessons they draw, how eric

cantor is replaced, those are huge questions for the party. >> i don't want to be thick but what i do very well, every morning, al heilemann. but all the people going around looking, thad cochran, they all stayed out. i saw this guy just briefly last night talk for about 30, 45 seconds in a sort of off-the-kof, cheap tv ad and i said, wow, this guy's articulate, he's relaxed and he's a guy that i would trust if i were a voter. again, i'm not saying the tea party's not out there and this isn't a tea party war, i think we can overplay that. sometimes you have these guys that go to washington that just get out of touch with their voters at home. so before we oversell this as an anti-immigration vote and a huge victory for the tea party, maybe we should look closer at the two

candidates here that were actually running the race. >> joe, that may be. first of all, it the biggest shock i have ever seen in electoral politics. i don't think anybody anticipated it. eric cantor was at a fund-raiser in washington yesterday morning. this guy didn't spend any money. if you got bobby van stock, sell it. it doesn't do very well. this is not a right-wing district. this is not your red wing riviera. this is a very republican district, one that mark warner carried, barack obama once got 46%. i think this is a grass roots whatever you call it, tea party, right wing, throw the rascals out, whatever. i agree with mark. the implications are profound. i don't think immigration has even a slim chance this year and the house for the rest of this congress is going to be focused on nothing but the leadership struggle and that never is a conducive atmosphere for getting

anything done. >> michael steele, i'd be interested to hear what you think happened here. eric cantor in his last primary two years ago won with 79% of the vote. his race haven't been close. we saw that poll that mika showed, 62-28 was the lead they had going into election day? and then he loses by double digits. the race wasn't even close last night. what's your analysis of what happened? >> this is a classic example of the tea party dropping the mic on the establishment in the sense they stayed to their game plan. i remember one of my last meetings with tea party when i was rnc chairman and the word was we brought you into office, we'll take you out of office. that's been really part of their mantra for the last few years is how do we chip away at the establishment control of the republican party? so to what mark said and al just said, there slew sleuthly is and it has to be resolved an internal struggle over the heart and soul and mind of this party.

you're going to see this play out more and more over the next few cycles. this does not get resolved with a tea party victory tonight, nor does it get resolved with an establishment victory next week. >> why did it, michael, to push back on this war within the republican party and the rise of the new tea party, why did lindsey graham, who is one of the most moderate guys in washington, d.c. and comes from one of the most conservative states of south carolina, why did he win last night? why did newt gingrich, who was talking about immigration reform more than anybody in 2012 win the south carolina primary in 2012? he won because he was the best candidate. he was the best debater. i just don't think we should oversimplify -- i'm saying this to myself and everybody else, i don't think we should oversimplify what happened last night. sometimes guys like eric cantor are just radically out of touch

with their district in ways that have nothing to do with politics. >> it curious. >> joe, that's absolutely right, there's no doubt about it. but keep in mind, south carolina is also very much a changing political environment as well for the party. so i think there are dynamics that are specific to south carolina that may explain some of that. i'm not trying to oversimplify it. that is part of a growing narrative that still needs to be resolved within the party. >> no question eric cantor was a big name. everyone knew who he was at the very least, and now we have two professors running against each other from the same college -- >> from the same college no one has ever heard of. >> it's been heard of. >> okay, sorry. it's a great school. >> it is a great school. >> it is a great school. as it pertains to dave brat, who the heck is this guy? take a look. >> chris mcdaniel is a prove i don't know conservative.

>> i'm joni ernst. >> i'm matt bevins. >> these were the tea party candidates you were supposed to be following but overnight dave brat has gone from unknown to front page news. >> this is the happiest moment obviously in my life. i owe it to all of you in this room, number one. so give yourselves a hand. >> an economics professor from tiny randolph macon college, brat was lifted by a wave of what some have called abc sentiment, anybody but cantor. >> it not personal. i'm running against folks who stay up too long to represent folks in d.c. >> brat went after cantor for not staying true to conservative principles. >> do i not think eric cantor stwhaunds free markets are. >> he picked up support from

mark levin. >> radical professor, going to throw granny off the depth. these are the death penalties that eric cantor will go to. >> he's calling for a full repeal of obamacare and has hammered cantor for backing immigration reform. >> he voted to give president obama a clean debt ceiling imcrease and he's pushing for amnesty for illegal immigrants. >> now there's a whole new wave coming in due to eric cantor's policies. so that's where we are. >> suzanne stein, if you have a guy like that going around in your district all the time and you're holding fund raisers in washington, d.c. the morning of your election and going across the country raising money for everybody else because you want to be speaker of the house sometime, that's not good. seriously? again, i know people are absolutely shocked when i

actually draw upon my personal experiences when i was in washington, d.c. >> what? no. >> i suppose i should when i was talking about when i was a football coach at catholic high school but what the hell, i'm going to talk about the four races i ran successfully. i would no more be in washington, d.c. within three months of my campaign. at a fund-raiser? even when i you know, last time i won with 80% of the vote, i was sweating it out in august knocking on doors, holding town hall meetings, going crazy assuming i was 40 points behind and most people that like staying in washington, d.c. do that. i mean, cantor took his eye off the ball here. >> let's go to richmond. julian walker covers state government. thanks for being on with us. take us inside what happened

last night. what we're hearing this morning, most of the reporting was saying that cantor was aloof, his field effort was basically nonexistent, he had taken this for granted, he was a fund-raiser on capitol hill. what else are we missing about this story here because it was such a shock? >> you're absolutely right. it's shocking and it caused earthquakes within the virginia republicans circles. the term that one long-time republican hand used with me last night. there were hints there might be trouble on the horizon but even all of the available public polling suggested that a victory for brat would be if he scored over 40% and instead he won by double digits, and this was no a low turn-out primary race. there were 68,000 votes in this district. eric cantor lost his home county, which borders richmond, the capital city, lost hanover county, the county just north of

that. meanwhile in the northern virginia eighth district primary, which had multiple democratic candidates, he had 35,000 people show up. so this was just all the way around i think this has blown people's minds. the one thing i would point out, though, again, about some of the hints of trouble on the horizon here was that just about a month ago eric cantor's hand-picked county boss was defeated for a local party seat for the 7th congressional district chairmanship after they had an iron grip on that position. >> that was obviously seen as a warning sign. from my understanding, derek kits tweeted something out last night that more people voted in this 2014 primary than voted in the 2012 primary in the presidential year. now, my question is is that all republican tea party types or is it an open primary where democrats can swarm over and

vote against eric cantor because they disliked him so much? >> virginia is not a party registration state so we do have open primaries here. there's probably a mix of both. as you pointed out, there was no major tea party group that endorsed dave brat but the underpinning, there were support from folks upset with the establishment. i think it a mix of things. whether this a real operation chaos with democrats crossing over in droves to knock out eric cantor, i'm not sure of that but there was at least some small element of that. >> still ahead, men are embracing their outer beauty like never before. >> what do you think? am i glowing? >> you actually look good today. except for the food. >> actually, pig fat. when i go to bed at night, i spread it on my face. so figure fat. >> an extra layer of --

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evening, maybe as early as 4:00 p.m., somewhere in that window, late afternoon, early evening is going to be the best chance of these strong storms. primary threat, wind damage, isolated large hail and maybe even a few tornadoes. we're watching you from pittsburgh to richmond and new england, all around the bat more area. it lab dryer day today. middle of the country, you're actually looking nice. this pesky storm has finally left you alone. eight chilly day around chicago today. you have light rain and 69 degrees, kind of a cool day for you. as we go to tomorrow, that's when the storm threat will move a little further to the north up into new england, including the new york city area. kind of been a murky week. we're going to clear it out for a lot of us as we head towards the weekend. father's day especially looking very nice for much of the country. so as bad as it is today, at least we have that. new orleans, you've dealt with the storms the last couple of days. i think we've dried you out for today. you're looking at a nice

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and randomly ask for medical advice. we have been giving some very bad medical advice to pregnant women -- >> and prescriptions, too. >> have the trout. have the trout! >> a new report from the cdc says a jaw dropping 29 million americans have diabetes. 29 million. that's about 1 in 11 people. and an increase of 3 million from three years ago. research also suggests about a third of the adult population have sugar levels that classify them as prediabetic. >> mika, you and i were talking off line about the changes in the american diet, the "times" has been writing about this, this big push of getting away from meats and fats, you go to low fat, sugar-free this, sugar-free that. we're shoving so many carbs in our body. the more i read, the more i'm

going to change my diet. i've been moving further and further away from red meats. i'm still not going to eat a lot of them. but this idea if you stay away from fats in general, for vegetarians out there, just staying away from fats not a great idea. we're carbing out. people's sugar levels are going way up and it having a huge impact on obesity rates and causing diabetes -- >> you to have an honest, balanced diet. >> we've been talking all morning about money and politics and how it's impacting everything from hillary clinton's book tour, which we have to update as well, to congressman cantor's stunning primary loss last night. let's bring in political writer for the "new york times." nicholas, how was the "new york times" late last night? >> it was pretty amazing. there were shouts coming out of the newsroom. >> we were at the event. and everybody's blackberry -- >> how was that party?

>> people were walking around in circles looking at their blackberries. >> everybody was on their phone googling david brat. who is this guy? where's he from? >> and who son his campaign team? i'm hearing two of them and one of them, his campaign manager 23 years old. what happened? >> this is a true luke sky walker moment in politics in guy is tea party but he didn't even have the national tea party groups, tea party express or club for growth. there was no like big outside spending campaign of people saying get this guy. it was just him and grass roots activists and his own campaign. >> i want to go back to al hunt. it remarkable, as long as you've covered politics and as much as you know washington, d.c., i want you to underline what you said earlier, that this is the biggest electoral shock that you've witnessed since reporting in washington, d.c. and all the

years you've been there. >> i think so. the house majority leader hadn't lost a race in 200 years. i didn't cover those 200 years ago. but it really is shocking. there have been general election upsets that may be the equal of this, but to see someone so well established and having such a huge financial advantage, you know, i agree totally that eric cantor came out of touch with his district, aloof and the like, but when he was painted at some kind of a squishy moderate, some kind of accommodationist, that's not the sense you've got that in eric cantor in washington. he's thought of as a hardline leader, sometimes in on sis to boehner. when you find out he was at a fund-raiser in washington, it was a shocker. >> coming up, the trend behind the billion dollar men's

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>> i thought nobody got it but me. let's talk about the book. >> so the fourth revolution. you're talking about the crisis right now with the government is going to create new radical transformation. >> i think will create radical transformation. you look at people going to vote, you saw people going to vote for the eric cantor thing very night. they always go very apathetic and annoyed but they also think nothing will change. what our book says is you look through history and western government has changed dramatically. go back to 1600 you would have bet on chinese being the best government in the world. they had 300 civil servants in the middle of beijing. it started with a big security revolution, nation states competing. then in the 19th century, a liberal revolution and britain, which had a group of people

which the republicans could learn from who reduced the size of government from 80 million pounds in taxation, down to 60 million pounds but increased all the services, schools, et cetera. and the new revolution, the welfare state. now they're saying it's time for a new revolution and the chinese are competing again. >> what's the shape of that revolution? >> it could be led from some from the top but more likely from those from the bottom. technology has completely changed the public sector. you can see it in a variety of different things. i think underneath is really to do with people like us. you look and see how useless your school is against the ones next door. americans now know their schools

are the worst in the polls. >> you're talking about a combination of populous impulses with technological innovation? >> yes. all the other revolutions have been a mixture of big ideas, which can you get by buying this book. >> shameless plug. i mean, shameless but good. >> i'm curious about what the state of economy has to do -- we've already gone through the financial crisis. usually the crisis is the turning point that brings about change or revolution so where are we now? so far we're in recovery. >> what happens, you look at economic change and how these big changes in government happen, the last second -- the last big one was when the industrial revolution came in. the reason why we ended up to a welfare state, people look at what henry ford did with factories, ford used to own the fields on which grazed the sheep whose wool went to the seat covers of his car. the 19th century was all about

new commercial classes coming in and changing things. now you have all the internet stuff, a new technological revolution and i would expect that to be a revolution in the service sector as well. >> you look at companies that are examples of reinventing what the state does. sweden, estonia and india. >> indian is amazing. he said he wants india to be more like china. but the weird thing about india is you can go and find the best heart hospitals in the world. there's a heart hospital which has i think 4,000 beds, it's about ten times bigger than any american facility, able to do heart operations around 1/100th of the cost. once people can see how cheap these things can be, they're not going to do it here.

>> investors love india right now. >> so you presume -- you presume to know a few things about the united states of america. what are a few signs of where this revolution is taking hold here? >> a few signs, you look at crime. when you and i first came to new york, it was a crime-ridden hell hole in some ways. every big city in america has cut crime. we've had better policing, better ways of going through things. you can see some area, california, which we use in the book as an example of everything wrong about western government. under jerry brown, we begin to see some rethinking. he has three copies of a book on utilitarianism above his bed.

>> thank you so much. sara eisen, thank you as well. >> come back again. >> i'd love to. >> coming up, brad pitt makes it look easy. what? now millions of dads are jumping in on the male grooming bandwagon. >> we have barnicle on this segment. it's going to be awesome. >> we'll take a look when "morning joe" returns. ♪ ♪

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aren't the babies more important than carolyn? >> that's right, my own flesh and blood. >> that was a scene from the 1983 comedy "mr. mom." what a great movie. now what a father looks like is a multi-billion dollar industry. a few more dollars are sure to be spent adding to that business. the vice president of marketing at unilever skin care, along with the editor of "gq." >> also well groomed. >> unilever makes dove. and it's a sponsor of the ad. >> and more importantly, you were good enough -- >> you'll never walk alone, you'll never walk alone. >> he does walk alone in some ways because the grooming thing,

it hasn't really crossed joe's desk jet. having said that, i'd say maybe showering is good and shoes are good, but some men actually take it to the next level and you're finding there's a business here. >> there's a huge business here. the runway for male grooming is enormous. we think the potential going forward -- it big now. the runway, as we said, is tremendous for us as a business. as our friends at "gq" will know, modern men, modern dads -- >> look at these two. this is what they do. >> they make me feel so inadequate as man. tell me, michael. when did all this start to ch g change? we had the term metro sexual come in -- >> it's not about that. >> okay, so i'm wrong. >> at gq we found you guys in their 20s and 30s who they want to look much more groomed than

their fathers and grandfathers. you're seeing an explosion of barber shops across america. there's this whole sort of thing. you look at guys like brad pitt, who is the face of modern fatherhood now. they have a lot of kids but still look great and i think a lot of guys want to look put together. >> thomas? >> when joe talks about the metro sexual boom that started in the 90s and now it's carried into these men who have grown up with taking a little more care of themselves. there's this next generation of the millinials that see the examples of those set ahead of them. why do you see this as an emerging market? >> we're a brand of champions, real, real guys, celebrating real women is weg doubd. we've translated that to focusing and celebrating that as well. there is no more real than becoming a father or actually involved in child care. a lot of those guys who grew up

in that generation are starting to have young children, starting to be much more involved in their routine. i have a 3-year-old and a 1-year-old. they don't like the stubble that i carry. that weighs on how i groom myself. so there are different things that are impacting this generation of men who are much more actively involved at home than any other generation. >> why don't they like the stubble? >> it's interesting, they don't like the stubble. my kid don't like the creepy -- >> you know, we all have our different challenges. >> yes, we do. >> so what's like the big father's day gift this week? >> interesting for us, what guys have resoundingly told us, we just completed a large scale study with boston college. what real guys want is a bit of affirmation. 75% of the guys we've spoken to said they're actively involved

with children back home, only 20% see that reflected back in the media. they want a more accurate picture of who they are as men and what they do at home and on the playground. >> can i see a commercial, please, with a man doing the dishes? can you do one for me, please? >> i think -- we've just published a film this week called "calls for dad." it's really a tribute to fatherhood. it celebrates really simple, every day moments that a dad goes through in providing care for the child. >> oh, we have -- go ahead. >> so, mike, what father's day gift get me if they want their dad to be a little more groomed? >> i think maybe a barber shop visit. >> so the barber shot thing is big big? >> yeah. i think it's the new social hub thing for guys. >> and they get the shave, too.

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congressional district. and miss usa is going to be here tomorrow. i learned that. >> well, baby! >> i learned that. >> though i was here today and i don't usually like to be here two days in a row, i will hereby tomorrow. if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." chuck todd is next. >> a new brat pack. the perfect storm and timing knocks out eric cantor. the surprise winner, first-time politician dave brat will face me in a minute. the shock waves extend far beyond washington. immigration reform is probably dead for the remainder of the obama presidency. and why is jeb bush potentially feeling some heat this morning? plus, remember that infamous 3:00 a.m. ad? what does hillary con