we are live from london. it's the home of double decker buses and madonna's accent and also host to a high level summit on sexual violence in conflict zones. i sat down with a u.s. envoy, not your run of the mill bureaucrat. >> it is such a violent crime. and it is -- it makes you not only feel so abused and so horrible about yourself but you also as a woman do not feel like a woman anymore. what that does for you as a person and how you hold yourself is vile. it has nothing to do with sex. it is disgusting and you are lower and to take the shame off of the victims and put it onto the perpetrators and embarrass them. they should feel embarrassed and vile. they are. >> the lovely angelina jolie with a plea that may change the way you think about war. big news on a recent war that

some say could reignite into our next. are we next? that's the question hanging over baghdad today. sunni insurgents sweeping through iraq are closing in on that capital city as the u.s. weighs whether to intervene. here's the president just moments ago speaking from the south lawn of the white house. he said this is a problem back it's not necessarily our problem. >> this should be a wake-up call. iraq's leaders have to demonstrate a willingness to make hard decisions. united states will do our part but understand that ultimately it's up to the iraqis as a sovereign nation to solve their problems. >> but politically and strategically, this could become more of our problem than the president would care to admit. fighters with isis seized two

cities in the last 24 hours, facing little resistance. mostly surrendered without a fight. u.s. backed iraqi government is desperately enlidsing anyone and everyone willing to take up arms. joining me now from the white house is howard fineman, editor director. this is a war that had been declared over. how difficult is a position is the president in reopening that book domestically and also on world stage? will this trigger blow back? >> in every respect it's a difficult situation for the president who just left the white house a little while ago. i can say to you here on the north lawn, it looks pretty bleak in every respect. the american people have no interest, every poll shows in sending troops back to iraq. that's off the table for the president. and indeed his entire candidacy and presidency was based on

ending the war in iraq. he has no room politically to maneuver. his political support for using them will be very low. in military terms it's not clear what we can do. without boots on the ground and intelligence on the ground and eyes to see human eyes to see, you don't bomb indiscriminately or on targets you think are appropriate in iraq because of the potential of collateral damage because of the possibility of making the situation worse. as richard engel was reporting from iraq, you don't trust the maliki government to call in the air strikes on right people. militarily it's difficult. in terms of global diplomacy, there's no interest around the world from the good guys and people we would consider allies in doing anything to try to put a lid on an increasingly

difficult and explosive situation in iraq. >> and look, what you're describing gets the president a lot of flak from more hawkish elements on the hill. you highlight why his caution may be wise. it's also the case in the last 24 hours, we've seen how extreme the elements are. they declared the border between iraq and syria no longer exists in their opinion. could they redraw the map in the middle east? >> well, the maps of the middle east as we know were drawn in modern times literally on sand. they were a fiction in many ways to begin with and cover over sectarian and ethnic differences that go back literally thousands of years. it was a hope and fiction in the george w. bush years that installing essentially a shiite government in iraq, would -- that that government would

somehow be a government of reconciliation with the sunnis and ethnic kurds in the northern part of the country. what we're seeing now, after the americans have left, after the alliance of other countries has left, after the maliki government has been left to its own devices first by george w. bush and then by barack obama, that things are falling apart. the maliki government did not include the sunnis in any meanle fg way and kurds in any meaningful way. now we're seeing the consequences of that as the resentment. sunnis provided fertile territory for the islamic state to grow not only in iraq but also now in syria. >> we're going to be looking closely at exactly how frout the history is. we're seeing all of the political blowback unfolding today and before the president's remarks. take a listen to what mike rogers said earlier today. >> these are al qaeda-minded individuals and would kill americans in a heartbeat.

and so we need to disrupt that momentum. >> how does the president best respond to some of the elements that just are constantly calling for more intervention? >> well, by making the case that it was the lack of care and lack of knowledge of these deep divisions of both religious and ethnic sectarian and ethnic, in the first place that got us into the problems we're in now. the lack of sophisticated understanding or desire to know the sophisticated understanding on the ground by the bush administration, created the kind of situation that he's had to deal with. there may be questions to ask how vigilant in the last year or two the obama administration has been. the obama administration and the region has been concerned about afghanistan. there's a certain desire on the part of the american leaderships as well as the country to forget about iraq. bumt the root of the problem was the fact we went in and the way

we went in to begin with in 2003 and it's been -- it's what got the president elected, ronan, the mistakes of the bush administration that got the president elected. he thought he ended it properly and tied it off if you will, almost like after a surgery. but now it's bleeding again. does he bear some responsibility? of course, he's president. the roots of the modern political and military and diplomatic problem in that region begin with george w. bush. >> howard fineman that is exactly a such sink summary of the president weeks ago saying he wanted a lighter footprint around the world. this makes it more difficult. stay with us, everybody, let's go back to the political reaction and how it responds to that history. perennial favorite, senator john mccain said that we should have seen all of this coming. >> the fact is we had the

conflict won. and we had a stable government. and residual force such as we have left behind, we even have forces in bosnia, korea, germany, japan, where we could have but the president wanted out and now we're paying a very heavy price. i predicted it in 2011, you can go back and look at the quotes. >> so is the problem too few entanglements or too many? sunnis controlled iraq for centuries until of course the fall of saddam ushered in the shiite government. here's the thing, even as u.s. spent those long eight years fighting those ousted sunni militants, they also dabbled in supporting, arming and training some of those same militants. some say that was part of the turning point that led to a supposed victory in iraq. that was what happened in 2006 when the al an bar awakening movement happened when local

tribesmen offered their support to coalition forces and in some cases signed loyalty oath to fight for the u.s. backed iraqi government. now with sunni insurgents hoping to take baghdad even, how does that legacy of proxy war look in hets tr retrospe retrospect, author of the at war blog, this is of course john burns, someone whose work i've been a fan of for a long time. thank you for joining, sir. did this somewhat schizophrenic american relationship with iraqi sunnis create a certain two-state dynamic do you think? >> there are plenty of people certainly in washington, d.c. on both sides of the great political divide there who are looking for ways to blame america, american presidents and

state department and american generals for this debacle -- current debackal. of course there's plenty of blame to go around. but to my mind what we're really seeing here is something that was absolutely inevitable from the first american foot hold in iraq, a deeply fractured society with strong sectarian passions and animosities going back for a thousand years. and from the start it was very improbable that the united states would be able to construct any kind of government that could bridge those animosities. and god knows they did try. how many nights did i sit talking to american diplomats and ambassadors and commanding generals talking about those sessions they had, but the shiite government, which took over after the elections that took place there was always fundamentally resistant to any

notion that they had to create a space for the sunnis, a space in the sun for the sunnis. they were filled with vengeance, nuri al maliki, the prime minister in particular, felt a very strong urge for vengeance. now that we see american tanks captured by the isis fighters storming what were american bases just outside tikrit as we have done today and raising the black islamic flag, it seems to me we could conclude this debacle, is a story foretold. we knew or should have known this is how it was going to end. >> given that narrative of tragic inevitability that you're talking about, do you think any further engagement of the kind of president may be contemplating is fool hearty?

>> i do think searching for a champion in this is a fool's errand. it needs to be said that the maliki government, whatever the faults the united states may have been the maliki government has never behaved like a democratic government. it has itself relied heavily on armed and brutal militias and it seems to me that we would do better not to choose the champion in this, how this will come out and how it will effect the american position in the middle east, the chaos it may bring on other nations, very hard to foretell. but any american involvement at this time seems to me would be adding to the huge amount of treasure and that america has expended there, 2 to 3 trillion dollars, 4,400 dead soldiers and i was one -- i was one amongst

of those who felt the toppling of saddam hussein would be a good idea. much of us who lived through this now have concluded that the best thing in the united states and west can do is stay out. >> john burns with a dark set of predictions there. thank you so much for joining, sir. we'll keep you updapted as more news breaks. up ahead, it is phase three of the reintegration process for sergeant bergdahl, back on american soil now finally. but just how friendly is he going to find the atmosphere in the united states with so much divisive reaction on all sides of the aisle. we're going to look at that right up ahead. ♪

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america's most divisive soldier is back, home for first time since he was captured by the taliban five years ago. sergeant bowe bergdahl arrived in san antonio just before sunrise. he was taken to nearby brook army medical center where the army says he's going to continue his reenteg race, the taliban kept bergdahl in solitary confinement and tortured him over the course of five years before this prisoner swap this month. the three-phase reintegration looks like this. he's been debriefed and at some point he'll reunite with his family and the army says he could even return to duty eventually. doctors will give us an update at 4:00. so far, military is only promising this, quote, following sergeant bergdahl's reintegration, the army will continue its comprehensive review into the circumstances of his disappearance and captivity. john mccain had this message for

him. >> my message is, welcome home. my message is that the proper investigation will take place and we should not make any judgments until that investigation takes place. and in that investigation we need to take into account that he did spend five years under horrific conditions. >> but some of sergeant bergdahl's fellow soldiers are calling him a deserter and caused trauma within the unit. joining me, is something outspoken in his suspicions about bergdahl's capture, josh corps nellson, a platoon medic who served with sergeant bergdahl. thank you so much, joshua, for joining. earlier this month you said you wanted sergeant bergdahl to be court-martialed. do you still feel that way after hearing how brutal his captivity may have been? >> he needs to go through all of

the same channel that's any other deserter would go tlo. he did abond on his platoon, yes, he needs to be tried as a deserter and court-martialed. >> what's your reaction to returning to duty? >> it would be very hard, the military is very tight nigknit,r him to return to a big army unit where there are certain soldiers who heard about the story from other soldiers honorably discharged and respected, it would be very hard for bergdahl to be fully accepted in an army unit, i think. >> some of sergeant bergdahl's writings have revealed a little bit about his psychology and seem to paint a picture of someone fragile and uncertain about serving in afghanistan. how typical is that of the men and women you served with? >> everybody reacts to being deployed differently. you're far away from home. in certain cases in infantry

units getting blown up, getting shot at. everybody deals with that differently. some people write, in people watch movies and spend lots of time in the gym. bergdahl's way of coping with that was writing things. he never shared these writings with anybody but himself and no one in the platoon saw these specific writings. >> the pentagon has announced and "new york times" reporting confirmed according to them that no one in fact killed in the search of bergdahl. are you skeptical of that claim? >> after mission we did after bergdahl left after a long amount of time was focused on finding bergdahl. not every single mission might have been kicking down a door because we were positive bergdahl was behind the door. we were being sent on missions where locals might have seen something regarding the bergdahl capture. we would drive there. there was a ton of units that were doing these individual

missions. so while you might -- men here may not have died while specifically chasing bergdahl himself, they did die in missions to try and find more information to capture bergdahl and bring him back to the united states. >> as someone who has served and contended with the fear of capture yourself, on any level do you think this precedent of bringing home someone like sergeant bergdahl no matter what is a happy set of circumstances? >> bergdahl is a united states citizen. with that being said, he should be brought back to the comfort and safety of the united states of america. however, certain trades especially when it comes to five senior ranking taliban officials which will be back on the battle field when they are released, back in afghanistan, it is a pretty sticky situation for not only this administration but administrations moving forward. it will be interesting to see

kind of how this plays out if there's any more soldiers or civilians or anybody else capture by militant groups, it will be very interesting. >> josh, appreciate your very personal take on this. thanks for joining. >> thank you very much. >> just ahead, u.n. special envoy angelina jolie is here. >> i think we need to get back to the table in peace talks. we have to focus, i think there's never been enough political will to assist the people in syria. and i'm -- i think it says so much about where we're at today as an international community, so many crises in the world where we say over and over, never again, never again.

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march of this year. her blood alcohol was nearly three times the .08 legal limit. joining me with more is hillary holt along with her attorney gloria allred. tell me what happened that caused you to wake up in that hospital bed? >> i was picked up from my dorm and taken to dinner and dinner was fine. i was never led to believe that anything would happen. picked up from dinner and taken directly to the sae house where i was led into a room and once that room was -- the door was open to the room, it was the intimidation and the fear that i felt in that moment that i knew if i turned around, there was no telling what the consequences would be. you know, i saw three girls with blindfolds on. and you know, they were yelling at me, members of kappa and sae

to do a series of things like lay on floor and sizzle like bacon. hold their ankles and jump up and down while we pro fessed our love for kappa, a mixture of all of that. we were given shots of alcohol, had beer slammed down in front of our faces to drink within seconds. and then i was given a string which led me to another room where i was given a bottle of alcohol, wine to be exact. and you know, i held onto the wine because i didn't want to open it. i knew at that point that i had way beyond my limit of drinking and then one of the members of kappa took it from my hands and opened it for me. and instructed me to drink it. so i did that --

>> hillary, what do you say to people who hear this story, what do you say when people hear that and don't feel that based on the facts you were actually feeling threatened for your life, that you were in control of your faculties up to that point and could have chosen otherwise? >> my response has always been the same, which is, number one, there's no age limit to hazing. and number two, it's like telling a rape victim why didn't you just leave? >> that's actually a very important point she made, ronan, because under connecticut law, which directly addresses the issue of alcohol in a hazing setting, which this was, it is not a defense to hazing that the person who was hazed drank alcohol because the connecticut legislature recognizes that under these circumstances, it isn't voluntary. she's being yelled at and in

fear and she's being intimidated and therefore it's not a defense to hazing that she drank alcohol. >> right. and that's i think the important thing to convey to audiences who aren't familiar with this issue. the threat in that moment is real. what's different about how women pressure each other through this kind of hazing? >> well, in this case it was both kappa and sae that hazed her and university of connecticut where this occurred did an extensive investigation and as a result, they found that in fact in their opinion the community standards investigation found that kappa gamma should be suspended for three years and sae for three years or maybe it was four and five. but in they event, there were very serious consequences for both the sorority and fraternity because they did in fact haze

hillary and she almost died because she had more than .2 alcohol in her system and ultimately was taken to the hospital and had she not gone to the hospital, she in medical opinion might not have survived. >> it's a frightening set of facts and it really could happen to anyone, i think that your testimony, hillary, indicates that. uconn sent a statement, any hazing or harmful behavior is absolutely unacceptable at the university of connecticut. we will not tolerate it. a statement was issued saying the fraternity has zero tolerance for hazing and not consistent with our creed. we haven't heard back from a response from kappa. what would you say to young women thinking about pledging this fall to sororities like this? >> i would just tell them to look into the sorority and know

your facts about hazing. that's something that i did not know. didn't believe it would happen to me. >> and i might add it's shocking that kappa kappa gamma, neither have done anything for hillary to help her under these horrendous circumstances. >> it does seem like something that requires structural reform, a reform in our attitudes about that. and part of the attitudes we've been tracking is the reluctance to report. our call to action is on that subject. we're going to go to the audience now and ask for all of you to download a free anti-haze be app, you can find it on the website. 36% of students said they wouldn't report hazing because there's no one to tell. so apps fix that. #stopthehazing to tell us your story or let us know you downloaded the app. shoo ez co-hosting a high level summit in london on ending

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to apply, go to citi.com/thankyoucards about it. it is a weapon of war aimed at civilians and has nothing to do with sex, everything to do with power. >> but if rape is a tool of war, like nukes or chemical weapons, can it too be banned? that's the question posed by angelina jolie focused on sexual violence in conflict. here's why it matters, there are few international norms on how countries should investigate and prosecute rape. this is first summit at its level to try to change that. it's hosted by the u.k. with jolie sharing emceeing duties with the foreign secretary.

john kerry arrived today and joined this chorus of moral outrage. >> we refuse to believe that this is too big to defeat, that it is somehow too deeply engrained not to care about it. we are convinced we can make a difference and there's no place in the civilized world for sexual violence as a tool of war and conflict. >> but what specifically needs to change? the summit is promoting new training for countries and especially for their troops to deal with sex crimes. it's proposing more funds for survivors and it's trying to shift attitudes about rape. and attempting to get countries on board with this agenda, an unlikely diplomat, an actress and u.n. special envoy on refugees who's once viewed as something as a wild child and stands astride the world of

hollywood and activist. i found her to be well researched and credible and ferocious in her moral convictions. how did she get there? >> well, it was a meeting with victims of rape, sitting there and hearing their stories and realizing how little had been done, how little prosecutions and how little people had been held accountable for such a horrendous crime. and it is as we were speaking about before the cameras started rolling, it's connected to refugee and all global issues. that's one of the important things out of this summit. we are not saying this is the most important. it's important to us and important to so many people and center point for all violence against women and all injustices in the world. the summit was a way for us to explore how to tackle one issue from a very focused way to see how we can for the first time, which is why this is such an unusual summit, bring together

survivors and doctors in the field and ngos and government officials, u.n., all under the same tent, all talking about the same issues from all different countries and making sure we haven't left any stone unturned and we're making sure we address it completely. >> one of the ways you're trying to address it with this summit and shifting attitudes about sexual violence. we've seen so often how our media and law enforcement even blamsz the victim, even in the united states. >> absolutely. >> you've traveled the world on what works and what doesn't. have you seen any model that is actually succeeded in stopping victim shaming? >> i don't think any one model is perfect yet. but what i think -- what i think we've realized in this, there's a few examples. there's a great doctor, in the congo and he loves women. he wants so much for it to not

only heal them and sew them up because so many are victims of fistula, but says it doesn't stop there. i have to help them remember to be women. they have sewing classes and do makeup and they learn about perfume again, all of these things, they go back and feel that because it is so -- it is such a violent crime and it is -- it makes you not only feel so abused and horrible about yourself but as a woman you don't feel like a woman anymore. what that does for you as a person and how you hold yourself, that is an important thing. >> the story of those deep psychological stars doesn't star any actor or diplomat. it's the story of millions of survivors around the world, particularly the ones who are the focus of today's summit. those assaulted in conflict zones, sometimes they are not the battlefields that you would expect. take, for instance, egypt's

tahrir square, continues to be the site of protest and horrific sexual saults on women. that prompted a rare public apology from the pd to the women of his country. i spoke down with a journalist who lived through the dark side of tahrir square firsthand. >> all of the attacks were carried out in the exact same pattern, very same pattern. they say the same words. they acted the same way. >> to whatever extent you feel comfortable. can you walk us through when it first dawned on you that this kind of attack was going to happen? >> i went there to demonstrate to the tahrir square to demonstrate and it was close to sunset, maybe 5:00 in the afternoon. it was getting dark. and i was not feeling comfortable because i could tell many people were there for other purposes, purposes other than demonstrating. when i was attempting to get out of the square, i was pushed back

a group of guys and so i shouted at them. and as soon as i shouted, somebody else came and all of a sudden i find myself being dragged by a couple of guys who pretended to be helping out and getting me out of the square, while actually they were helping another group to start this brutal sexual attack. what happened to me and what happens to others is that these two guys become all of a sudden a group of ten or maybe 15 gruy who make a tight circle around the girl. there's another group who surrounds that circle to protect them. sometimes the outside circle is armed. my attack lasted for something like from 35 to 45 minutes probably. part of the plot was, you know, shouting messages, shouting words that have nothing to do with what they are doing. they want to give the impression -- want to confuse the victim and at the same time

give the impression to other people who can help that there is already somebody who's helping so they were shouting all the time. stop that. she's like your sister. you shouldn't be doing like this. you should let her away. but they are the very perpetrators. >> what would you say to other women confronting this in conflict situations around the world? >> first of all, i would like to say that the shame and the stigma should be put on the perpetrator. it's not your fault. you shnt be blaming yourself at any point in time. you should be speaking out. because speaking out will help put the stigma on the perpetrator and help other women to speak out and take some action regarding those violations to their bodies and to their dignity. >> brave words that speak to one of the major themes of this summit, that rape too often is not a crime of passion, put a calculated tool of warfare. thank you for her story. we're going to have more of my

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too many of the maces that i have visited as secretary of state bear the scars of a time when rape has been used as a tactic of oppression and intimidati intimidation. sexual violence in conflict is one of the most persistent and most neglected forms of viole e violence. john kerry, here in london at today's high level summit on sexual violence as a tool of war. when push comes to shove, is our

country really doing enough to end sexual violence and conflict? that's one of the things angelina jolie addressed. she is on a mission in treating the 123 countries gathered here today, to change their view of rape. worthy of being pan banned and in a change of thinking. >> i think up with of the important things that some of the men there, yourself, men who speak up on behalf of men to other men this is unmanly, this is disgusting, we do not support you. it has nothing to do with sex. you are lower and to take the shame off of the victims and on to the perpetrators.

they should feel embarrassed and vile. because they are. don't let the women question if it was something brought upon themselves. >> we interviewed so many survivors on the show and it's exactly that, so much skepticism when it comes to women. one of the settings where they're trying to put a top to it is syria. they addressed 38,000 cases of gender based cases. and that's just the tip of the iceberg. since then, we have seen so little action. do you think president obama failed to keep his promise and he is leaving behind the people of syria. >> i think we have to get back to the table on peace talks. we have to focus on the live

saving aide we must be able to get to the people immediately. i think there has never been enough political will to assist the people in syria. i think it says so much about where we're at today as an international community, so many crisis in the world where we say over and over never again. never again. well if we knew, we would have interven intervened, if we had known, but we know. we know. and we have all reasons to allow ourselves to get involved. i think it is complicated, and i don't know what exactly the best move to make would be, i think it would have been at the start of the war, now i'm not sure what the exact right thing to do is because it's not just syria, but the whole region that's unstable. it's really quite terrifying as a humanitarian to look at these

people and see what's happening in iraq right now and all of the displacement. i met people in syria that were displaced again welcome back to iraq who will now be displaced again for the fourth time. >> and 500,000 people on the run, it's a terrifying situation, in general terms do you think the u.s. should do more? >> yes. yes. but you know i'm not here to -- i think it's what we -- i think it's a bigger discussion about, you know, leadership in the world. and i think it's not to point a finger at a particular had min trags or person, but to say that we're lacking in leadership in the world in general. i don't think there is an example of extraordinary leadership that will breakthrough the stale mate of what is happening in the world. it is a much bigger situation. >> what about leadership back

home? one situation you must be keeping track of is these tens of thousands of unaccompanied, undocumented teenagers. is that america's own humanitarian crisis, and is it a result of the failure of our immigration policy? >> i think having worked with migrants, we need to know what people would risk so desperately their lives. i work with k.i.n.d. and our focus was to say that we must address the central problem, and not just see it has this is a bulk of people that should be moved here or sent back. who are these people, who are the most vulnerable? we need to get them lawyers to speak to them, understand them, and we need to identify the

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happy friday, i'm joy reid. this is "the reid report." we start with the uprising in iraq. >> turmoil raging in iraq. >> the sectarian divides are exploding. >> i think the national security team should be released. >> militants seizing control of two more cities overnight. >> the militants have their sights set on baghdad. >> they would kill americans in a heartbeat. >> i think i would put david petraeus on a plane to baghdad right now. >> we will not be sending u.s. troops back into combat in iraq. >> so what can or should the u.s. do to help with the violence and