crisis in iraq. militants moving in, advancing toward baghdad. the u.s. military's respond, moving an aircraft carrier into the region. meanwhile, some here today are asking, what was the united states' long war in iraq fought for? new details what the white house will do next. >> currently, sergeant bergdahl is in stable condition and will work daily with medical and mental health professionals. i must emphasize how important is it for everybody to respect sergeant bergdahl and his family's privacy as they go through this process. >> back in the u.s.

sergeant bowe bergdahl has spent his first 24 hours on u.s. soil. we'll look at steps he now has to take and what the army calls his reintegrate. it is not safe. it is not a desirable situation. and i would encourage no parent to send their child or send for their child through this process. >> a strong warning to parents. the government is struggling with what to do with thousand of children who have entered the u.s. illegally. we'll have an update from the border. >> the ugly side of the world cup. accusations of bribery, abuse, and modern day slavery have sparked a globing debate over the tournament's future. plus, connecting the homeless through social media. meet the guy who created what he describes as a home online for those without one. it's today's big idea. good afternoon. i'm richard lui, in for craig melvin on saturday. fast-moving developments in iraq. the "uss george h.w. bush" is

moving into the gulf. chuck hagel says it's a preemptive move to protect u.s. interests as fierce fighting in iraq continues to ramp up. kristin welker's traveling with the president in california. kristin, good morning to you there. what commitment is the administration willing to make, from what you're hearing? >> reporter: well, president obama trying to determine exactly what the united states will do, as you mentioned, the pentagon announcing that it is ending the "uss george h.w. bush" into the gulf. what the pentagon secretary had to say, quote, the order will provide the commander in chief additional flexible should military options be required to protect american lives', citizens and interests in airaq. accompanied by the guided missile cruiser uss philippine c and the ships are expected to complete their transit into the gulf later on this evening.

so that's what the time line looks like, richard. president obama in palm springs, going to deliver the commencement address at uc irvine. he's in close contact with his national security team, weighing options, which include air strikes or targeted drone strikes. the president has been very clear, he's not going to put u.s. boots on the ground. here's a little bit of what he had to say on friday. take a listen. we will not be sending u.s. troops back into combat in iraq but i have asked my national security team to prepare a range of other options that could help support iraq security forces and i'll be reviewing those options in the days ahead. the united states will do our part, but understand that ultimately it's up to the iraqis, as a sovereign nation, to solve their problems. >> reporter: some of the president's republican critics, including senator john mccain, have said the president had been

too slow to act. white house officials saying president obama needs to make sure he has all of the intelligence at his fingertips so he can look through it and determine the best course of action for the u.s. the president saying action's not imnen. i anticipate we'll hear something in days, not weeks. back to you. >> we'll talk to you later in the show. thank you again for that. here with me, retired army colonel jack jacobs and military analyst. you and i have talked about this subject many a time. the military, having various options here. they can use the destroyer, which we were talking about, aircraft carrier, get into development today, there is f-16s, drones to use, should the u.s. military decide to do so. also u.s. military base in the area. when you look at what some of the options might be, what do you think is the most likely here? >> the most likely event to use

one or more of those things, precision-guided munitions, against targets that have been identified as assembly areas of concentrations of isis troops. but not a lot more. they may send sea or air launch cruise missiles, drones, but at the end of the day, they're going to use ordinance and not people and it's not going to have much affect on the ground. the principal reason is that, these strikes are tactical measures, and you can't -- you can't affect things in a strategic way using only tactical measures. so, it's a lot of grandstanding, to be honest with you. the impetus is there to do something because the president for political reasons can't do nothing. >> are you saying, colonel, boots on the ground would be necessary? is that what you're saying? >> no -- i it's necessary to stay there a decade or two. i wouldn't discount having americans on the ground

actually, special forces, special operation forces for intelligence gathering and control the airspace from the ground and targeting but not conventional group conventional troops. >> iran putting their troops to support the iraqi government. who does the u.s. work with now? state actor, nonstate actor? who is the friend in the region? iran working with the iraqi government you, have to ask. >> you can't make it up. if you wrote a screenplay -- >> you could not, right. >> the united states ally in iraq would be iran, they throw you out of the office and say there's something wrong with you. >> no money for that film. >> it's unbelievable. but that's, in fact, what may -- we're on the same side, evidently, and trying to make sure that isis doesn't overrun iraq. the cause of all of this is at least partially a function of al maliki's being such a crook and

his not engaging the sunnis in postwar iraq, and that's -- this stuff will continue until something really, really bad happens and that's liable to be a civil war which will take lots of lives. >> al maliki not following through with promises and agreements. >> hasn't done it won't do. >> the isis group, a cross of a terror group, as well as organized army. how does a u.s. strike back or strike such a type? >> irn effectively. in small groups and clusters, they're moving around. it's not like they're large organizations with heavy trucks that need to be serviced. we'll identify some targets, clusters of these guys. but the movement to take over the northern and western parts of iraq will continue until they reach just in front of baghdad. >> are we ready to fight such a group, a mix like that both terrorist organization and being a military army?

>> no, i mean we're not prepared to fight at all in iraq, except leak i suggested, from a long distance using precision-guided munitions. we have no political will to do so, our heart's not in. we don't have the attention span to stay there the time we need to, and we don't have the people either. >> also that makes this difference, a hybrid war that could potentially happen, a nonstate actor with sophisticated weaponry. >> very bad combination. you have to throw in the fact that you have ethnic divisions that have existed for centuries. >> right. >> over a thousand years. >> yes. the kurds taking over their share of kirkuk account oil revenues. it's not all about the oil but partially. you're liable to wind up with an iraq that looks a lot like what joe biden was talking about before the war started, he wanted us to impose on them, it just dissolves into three

separate pieces. >> kirkuk, mosul, what happens if isis gets baghdad? >> it's -- well, i think will thereby a large and bloody regional war. it's unlikely they'll get there i think they're going to stop short of that. it's too much i've strong hold for them to move into. i think they're going to stay away from that, at least for a while. >> the president, we just listened to a part of what he said before he did take off to california, the president saying yesterday, he'll make a decision in the coming days. he did not make one on friday, at least publicly. what does friday mean versus this coming week? >> absolutely nothing. you want to be snarky about it, it's an opportunity for the president to play golf and not make any decisions until the weekend's over. i don't think it makes a difference whether he makes a decision a couple days ago of monday at the end of the day. what he's probably going to order are limited strikes that won't have much effects 0 the outcome. >> what needs to happen where you say, now something needs to be done. >> what are you watching for in iraq. >> what iran is going to do

further. i think they've got to have talks behind scenes, if everybody keeps their mouth shut, we'll have a better idea what we're supposed to done the linchpin is iran. >> back to the movie script, right? >> what's going to go around, come around, back where we started from ten years ago. >> thank you so much. moving to the developing crisis in ukraine, where the newly elected government is reacting this afternoon to a deadly surge in violence april ukrainian military trps transport plane shot down. aftermath in the video a second ago. attacked in landing in the eastern city killing all 49 crew and military personnel on board. the ukrainian president, sworn into office days ago, saying, quote, all those involved in cynical acts of terrorism must be punished ukraine needs peace. terrorists will receive an adequate response, end quote.

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>> reporter: well, there are 17 of them, mostly women and children, a couple of young men or 19, 18-year-olds, male, they came up the road in this park arc i county park, the rio grande is beyond. there's a dam there. they came across the rio grande in a raft. they slept in the park, not realizing that was the united states. they came up the road today. our crew setting up for msnbc encountered them. came up, sat down here after discovering it was the united states to wait authorities to arrive. and they said that they were here to escape violence in el salvador, spent nine days, tough journey, going through mexico. picked up by the borer patrol, offering no resistance, some tearful and driven way for processing and they go through the normal process before being sent off to some hhs facility

for shelter. >> part of this, mark, the coyotes which bring them to the border, you were tweeting out moments ago how they were using a jet ski. >> reporter: yeah, they do that. it's common here. right behind me is the river. and the distance between mexico and the united states is measured in yards, really. you can see it back there. and we shot a picture of a guy going by on a jet ski, he had a man on the back. he deposited him on the bank on the u.s. side, came from next cope the producer here mary murray saw him get off a jet ski into a car and drive out of here. we're told by the authorities here that's a common practice. and i saw the guy going back up river on jet ski without anybody on board. i shot that picture as he was heading in with his passenger. that happens here all the time. >> where are the authorities? >> reporter: they were right there. to be honest with you, we saw a couple sit right there, the guy went by them.

not sure how that happened. authorities are up and down here. you have to be fair in noting this is a big area, it's a rugged area, and they are coming in here in droves. i mean it. we saw the group this morning, we saw them last night, we saw them before. we -- all day long, the vans have been coming into the park from the border patrol to pick up people weep saw one group coming out, sitting in a pavilion, 25 of them. another van -- this is a constant flow, mostly of central americans coming into the united states. they're just walking in, they're flying in. >> mark, so many different ways that they are coming into the united states. you had very dramatic piece of video, a teen hiding in mud? >> reporter: yeah. that was in a field a couple days ago. a group was in there the border patrol found four of them and a guy in a chopper spotted someone else. it's grown on ridged and there's depressions between the ridges

where the agricultural -- the water flow goes -- irrigation water goes through. he was lying in that, it's sloppy stuff. the border patrol's always in those places. we've been in there before. he's lying in the mud trying to hide. they pulled him out, crawled out, curled up at one of the agents looking forlorn. found six more for a total of 11. they'll go into mcallen for process organize maybe arizona and figure out what to do with them after that, probably dauz they're central americans they have to go through some removal process. if they were mexicans they'd go back right away. being central americans, under law that can't happen quickly. >> being so far away, nine-day trip. mark potter giving a face to what we've been talking about for the better part of a week. thank you. look at guatemalanss.

today is sergeant bowe bergdahl's first full day on u.s. soil after five years in taliban captivity. arrived early friday off a military transport plane and taken too brooke army medical center. phase three of his reintegration. bergdahl is in stable condition and his appetite is returning. he's not had any contact with his parents so far. >> family supports a critical part of the integration process, making sure the family understands reasons why we do it, necessity of decompression, and they understand and support that process. overall it's i returnee's choice to determine when and who they want to engage with socially. the family understands that at this time. so, it's up to when he feels comfortable, that is why he's not met with his parents yet? >> reporter: yeah, that is the message, reading between the lines at press conference yesterday, seemed to what they

were saying. sergeant bergdahl has not requested to pete with his parents. they are overjoyed he's back in the u.s. but choosing to make travel plans private. we do know when he did land yesterday, when he did land yesterday they were not here. we do know during that press conference they were not here either. >> sarah, what does this face iii mean overall? are there five phases? what's next for the sergeant? >> well, phase iii is beginning to introduce him back into society. helping him come to terms with what he's been through. and helping him readjust to life here back in the u.s. the army says every reintergation process, every phase is different for every returnee. in this case, quite a few unusual things, length of captivity and the fact that sergeant bergdahl is at this point not aware of the the controversy and public scrutiny involved in his saga. the army says that is something they will slowly introduce to him as he heals and begins to

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contact with the national security team on a pending decision on what action to take on iraq, where insurgents have seized two large cities and inching closer to baghdad. the pentagon has ordered an aircraft carrier into the region. kristin welker joins us again. good to see you in palm springs. earlier you told us about the administration's overall plan for iraq. what challenges is president obama facing as he weighs his options for intervention? >> reporter: one of the challenges has to do with intelligence then cannot trust the intelligence that comes from other countries in this case, from iraq. so the u.s. trying to gather its own intelligence so that president obama can make a decision that is targeted. he's weighing two main options it appears, at this point, air strikes and targeted drone strikes the other challenge, richard, is a political one. remember, president obama ran on a platform in 2008 of ending the

war in iraq. he did that in 2011. critics say he should have left a residual force. iraq wouldn't sign on to an agreement for that, so they pulled all of the troops out. some critics argued that's why you have this destabilization in iraq that we are seeing right now. but of course, the white house argues that it is the fact that al maliki hasn't created an inclusive government. you heard president obama with very strong words yesterday for nuri al maliki saying that he needs to have a more inclusive government, saying that any action that the u.s. takes will be dependent upon iraq stepping up and taking responsibility for bringing this situation under control themselves. but the president really wanting to walk a fine line here. he wants to take actions that will have a difference, bring some order to iraq, but at the same time doesn't want to reentangle the united states in another long-term commitment. if you look the polls americans

do not want to reengage in iraq. they're happy that u.s. forces are out. president obama's been very clear, he's not going to put boots of the ground. he said a decision is not implement, that means we'll likely hear something in days, not necessarily a matter of weeks. potentially some time in this coming week. >> thank you so much. nbc white house correspondent with the president if palm springs looks very nice out that way. you're missing the bad weather on the east coast. surprise visit for hillary clinton during a book tour stop in suburban washington, d.c. supreme court justice sonia sotomayor just happened to be shopping at the costco. clinton burst out into laughter and said, i can't believe it. clinton spent more than three hours signing books as part of her book tour. she talked about being dead broke earlier this week, the deteriorating situation in iraq could prove a bigger challenge for the former secretary of

state. you have the white house three days ago talking about one of her greatest accomplishments was eradicating an al qaeda in iraq. 48 hours later, dealing with situation where we're talking about how to best help eradicate al qaeda offshoot in iraq. let's bring in jonathan alan and a.b. stoddard, columnist with the hill. iraq descending in kay ross, as hillary clinton rolls out her took touting foreign policy credentials. what's the impact? >> well, it's a very tough surprise for hillary clinton, obviously she knew something was going to happen with iraq at some point. it's been deteriorating for quite some time and the writing's been on the wall, the various insurgents and terrorist groups trying to take over baghdad have been at it since march 2013. it's not a surprise about when it was going -- if it was going to happen, but really when. it has been a rough rollout for

her with her book tour. she's gotten defensive and defiant at times. she doesn't like surprises. she likes to stick to a script. she likes comfort and caution. she's run before. so she's going to have to be deft at straddles not only events in the news, questions about her past, when she's changed positions but how she would lead in a new middle east. this is a different situation. she tends to, so does president obama, react to policies of cheney and bush. things are changing into the middle east they need to respond to the middle east of 2014. >> talking about those decisions of past, the hill pointing out that hillary clinton was one of 29 democratic senators who voted in favor of the iraq war and 2011 "meet the press" interview downplayed the possibility of civil war breaking out. let's watch that. >> i think that iraq is a very new democracy, of course, but it

has made tremendous strides in taking care of its own security. >> so, jonathan, that is something that the former secretary of state will have to answer to, not only her statements, her position of past, but the decisions that will happen today as a result of the developments of what's happening in iraq, for instance, as she goes towards 2016 potentially. >> it's one of the great difficulties facing her going forward, should she choose to run for president. the world is not static, and she's just put out 600 pages that are static about what she thought about various happenings in the world. so, what we see in iraq here is she's got a position that is echoing the president's. i think she doesn't have much of a choice. in 2008 the biggest reason she lost to obama in the primary she had been in favor of the iraq war, he had been against. democrats punished her for than i think at this point she's got to try to hug him on it as much as possible and otherwise she's

going to be seen as taking every side of the iraq war possible. >> what do you think, jonathan? you wrote the book on her, hrc, literally, the biography. when she's out of office and making comments, they'll have to make comments as she potentially looks towards 2016, that is a better position for her to be in than to be in office? >> well, certainly a better position to be in than being in office trying to run in 2016 for any number of reasons, including capacity when you're out of office to bill a political operation. you know, she does not have to agree with president obama on everything he says because she's no longer in his cabinet. that gives her a little bit of flex ability. at the same time we've been hearing her do that on various issues, including the prisoner swap for bowe bergdahl which puts her at odds or it seems at odds with things that she's written. >> a.b., in addition to the foreign policy challenge, clinton, you know, mentioning this earlier, getting testy in

that npr radio interview in which she was asked whether she changed her position on same-sex marriage for political reasons. >> i think you are being very persistent but playing with my words and playing with what is such an important issue. >> i want to clarify so i can understand. >> no, i don't think you're trying to clarify. you're saying i was opposed and now in favor and did it for political reasons and that's flat wrong. let me repudiate. i have a strong record. i have a great commitment to this issue. and i am proud of what i've done and the progress we're making. >> a.b., this not the first time she'll have to answer the question. was she being firm with her answer or getting testy there? >> i think fighting with the press is ace mistake, especially on a book tour about a book that is opening to presidential campaign. she has changes her positions in the past. she acknowledged that she

changed her position on iraq. she wishes and regrets she didn't come forward sooner. politicians are uncomfortable talking about positions which they've changed their mind or evolved. the best approach, be honest and humble instead of defiant and testy, because it's an awkward situation. everyone remembers that the gay rights wing of the democratic party, the activists and loyal democrats on the left wing of the party very frustrated by her husband's policies and unwillingness to go forward, her own backing of traditional marriage in 2008, they remember where she was and where she is now. instead of saying i've changed my mind is counterproductive. >> what do we know about her position on same-sex marriage based on the research you've done for her book? it is what it is, i guess. >> what's interesting about the npr interviewer, she does have a record on gay rights that not

only has made her popular with the gay and lesbian community, but goes beyond just the gay marriage debate in the united states. she said, in december of 2011, in a speech at u.n. human rights council, gay rights are human rights and human rights are gay rights. basically saying the world would treat gay and lesbian citizens with the same rights. that's a huge statement. she helped foreign service officers and spouses with changes she made to the rule at the state department. there are any number of rules she could have said to talk about the issue of the importance of gays and lesbians but instead chose to engage in battle over it. what you're seeing is a little bit of rust in that. to some extent, hillary clinton likes to fight and there are people in her camp that would tell her, go ahead and fight you, didn't do enough in 2008, people didn't see your passion coming out. as a result of that, she had an

uncomfortable moment there especially on an issue in which she has a ledgitimate claim of being progressive. on the issue of gay marriage, last known position in favor or of civil unions 2008 but she was secretary of state, not involved in domestic policy. once she came out of office, she came in favor of gay marriage, which president obama and biden had done. if she talked more about the fuller context, she would have been in much better shape. >> jonathan alan, a.b. stoddard, thank you both. what else is topping the saturday headlines. hundreds marching across the brooklyn bridge this afternoon calling for tougher gun laws. protest underwritten by former mayor bloomberg comes in the wake last month's shooting in california. democrat straighters are using the rallying cry "not one more." overseas the polls have officially closed in afghanistan's run-off election to replace current president

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ago. coming up this august, vial 20 years sober, my last time off the streets. it's completely different landscape and environment. both homelessness and technology, my gosh, youtube is only seven, six years old and i'm thinking i used to work in television and i sure wish skype was around back then. everything has changed. >> talking about social media. i gave that number of over 250 million impressions. others are doing that. why did it work for you in terms of the popularity of the message you were giving? making the invisible visible? >> you know that statistic was actually just last year, 257 million impressions. and that is, you know, if you tell a good story, if you're out there doing good rest just happens. you know, like you guys, you know, asking me to be on the show. >> right. >> it just happens. just do good, the rest just happens. >> you've got rest of the day off. but this is your highlight, hopefully. you're new effort i was

mentioning, developing a system so the homeless can talk to each other. how that is going to work? >> well, you know, when i first started doing invisible people, the main nonprofit i started running into homeless people using social media to connect, ann murray in dmachicago in houg was the first. she connected with me over twitter and she would go to sleep at night saying, i'm not alone, i'm not alone. i realized, wow, a great community for virtual case management to help people. one of my newest favorites last week, i was in st. louis, and i was in a tent community, and a gentleman that goes by wolf connected with me right by the river. >> right. >> on facebook. then i was going into a walmart and i messaged him and i said, hey, i know it was raining, do you need anything? he said, yeah, our tent was

destroyed. he's in a tent community in the river and we're making sure that they have, you know, the tents and supplies they need. it's just amazing. >> you are saying to yourself, wow, i can't believe that i'm doing this right now and that sparked that idea that we're talking about today. in this campaign, you're targeting young people according to a 2011 study by university of southern california, 62% of homeless teenagers have a cell phone how did you take that into account in your plan? >> well, you know, i like to say it like this, i don't necessarily know that there's an age demographic that separates us. but if you're going to be homeless tomorrow, what would you make sure you had with you? that was a mart phone and a laptop. how do we even expect people to better their lives if they can't connect to craigslist or skype with their family or all of these, you know, things we take for granted? the good news, bandwidth and the

hardware, a lot of homeless people have hardware, smartphones are getting down to where they're very affordable, tablets, i've seen more and more homeless people with tablets now and then. and it helps them connect to the internet. there's a lot of applications here for isolation. also with seniors, not just homeless people, people that are placed into housing and you know, they don't have that tangible social interaction, social media can rise up and be that vehicle that helps people connect to everybody. >> mark, something we would have not have thought of, talking about homeless, that idea of technology and talk of social media and of mobile phones being part of how they can get out of the situation they're in. thank you so much. >> same to you. >> do you have a big idea? let us know about it on twitter, #whatsthebigidea.

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the world cup, you know, of course under way in brazil but so is a growing debate over the future location of the tournament. controversy over the international soccer federation or fifa's decision to award qatar with the 2022 world cup. that announcement caught a lot of folks off guard. some prominent players in the world of soccer were vying to host the event as well now, allegations of bribery, corruption, and worker abuse are at play. the center of this, money. and the way countries bill those massive stadiums for the games. jeremy stall senior editor at "slate" who reported on this

before. let's start with brazil, example of the toll the world cup and take on a country, violent protests, worker strikes on the streets. a story line as you know leading up to the games. where are we now with that? >> i would say that, while the brazilian people are by no means happy about this tournament being hosted in their home country, the fears about protests and strikes have sort of fizzled out since the cup has started. and i say that, that doesn't indicate that the people are happy about the tournament because we have pew polling right before the tournament started that said 60% of the brazilian people, just over 60% of the people, do not think it was a good idea to host the tournament and that's because there's a strong sense there that, you know, the 11 billion that have been spent -- and that's a massive figure to put on a world cup -- could have been better spent elsewhere. talking about infrastructure needs, talking about health care needs, talking about education, and just the idea that that

money has been wasted. >> yeah, the shanty towns that exist throughout brazil what they're pointing to in terms of what they want to improve. qatar has issues to deal with itself. imported hundreds of thousands of workers to build the stadium, workers come from nepal, south asia, other countries. the western of human trafficking, of modern day slavery? >> i don't think the description of the labor system, what they call the labor system in qatar, as slavery is an exaggeration. that's an apt description, not an understatement but apt description, certainly. the way the system works is, when you arrive as migrant worker -- and they're importing hundreds of thousands of migrant workers because the population is so small in order to prepare for the world cup -- when you arrive your employer takes control of your passport, he has

control of your exit visa. you're locked in to work there under whatever conditions that your employer determines and they've said in the last month, when these reports really got out there, that they were going to fix this system, but they've said that in the past and it hasn't been fixed in the past. so it shouldn't be considered fixed until it's fixed. >> what should fifa do? who is watching fifa? >> fifa says they're watching themselves. they have an internal investigation by a former u.s. prosecutor called michael gar seeia, famous for prosecuting elliott spitz, he has a report coming out in thes next month that will look into corruption charges which are potentially, you know, more damaging to the tournament than the human rights issues from a publicity standpoint, which united statis. they'll issue a report. they've got pressure from sponsors, from other soccer federations, and they've got pressure from even members of

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investigation done by the department of army after reintegration complete. >> back in the usa, reports of letters sergeant bowe bergdahl sent while being held by the taliban. i'll talk to the journalist who got a hold of them. picked a group of officers now that are leaving other areas unattended where something else can come across. >> a wave of undocumented children flooding into the u.s., creating a desperate situation a relief worker who just returned from the board. >> a new twist on a wedding dress, this one right here. an award-winning twist, you think? can you believe this dress is made of toilet paper? the designer will show us how you can design one yourself. thanks for joining us on this saturday. i'm richard lui, in for craig melvin. starting this hour, developing a u.s. aircraft carrier, hours away from reaching the persian gulf. the pentagon sending "uss george h.w. bush" into the region to

protect u.s. interests. fighting in iraq has grown with insurgents moving closer toward baghdad. president obama addressing graduates in california, making the commencement speech at uc irvine. nbc white house correspondent kristin welker traveling with the president in california. top of the hour. what do we know about the latest move in the gulf, including the aircraft carrier? >> reporter: it's an indication the administration is considering taking action what happen will that action look like? as you pointed out, president obama's here delivering a commencement address and also going to have down time, play golf while here in palm springs. white house officials say he's in close contact with his national security team, trying to weigh his options, review the intelligence, before him. some of the options include air strikes or targeted drone strikes by all accounts. the more likely option is those targeted drone strikes. president obama has been very clear, he's not going to put

u.s. troops on the ground. he's also said that action is not imminent, meaning that it will likely be announced in a matter of days, not necessarily overnight. some of the president's critics say that this is too little, too late, that the administration should have anticipated that this situation would arise in iraq, this fighting that we are seeing right now. administration officials pushed back. they say they have been increasing their surveillance support in iraq. they also say that president obama wants to weigh his options, wants to review all of the intelligence before making a final determination. that is where we stand right now. again, president obama trying to determine exactly what his next course of action will be. as that "uss george h.w. bush" moves into the gulf. >> kristin welker with the latest with the president in palm springs. joining me now in london, the founder and c e ochl of woman f

women. i want to talk about isis, the group president obama labelled a terrorist organization yesterday, apparently so extreme that al qaeda disavowed any relationship with the group but a group americans are unfamiliar with at the moment. what do you know about the group? >> this group emerged out of fighting that happened in 2006 in iraq between that -- when the sunni-shia fighting started for the first time in iraqi history, in the volume that it has. it's extremist group. to give you an example, for example, no one can smoke and drink, prayers in force, fasting in force. and women, as they said, exactly their role is confined to cookicoo cooking and this is an extremist group. iraqi moderates, sunnis and shias alike see isis as an extremist group and this is not sunni versus shia thing but it impacts the issue.

>> your father was part of hussein's inner group as we watch from outside some groups that look back to the time of saddam hussein and want that to return. what perspective can you give us on that? >> you know, the most common question is, was iraq better un-saddam husseiner under maliki? i say it's bad in both cases. under hussein the oppression was from the government to the people. right now it's a horizontal, everyone is corrupting and stealing and kidnapping and harassing and doing all of these things. both cases are bad. it's unfair question to say which one was bad. the i've for iraq how to create national unity again. how do we not give up on iraq being one country, one people, create a leadership that can unite sunni, shia, kurds and christians again. this is worst iraq has ever been

in history. we do not give up we have to gather our energy again. >> talk about this, something that you obviously are watching at ceo of woman for women, sharia law, oppressiveness towards women. its current situation in iraq? >> well, you have to understand there is no such thing as sharia law. this is not a doctrine that is written, this is interpretation that many religious people are coming up and making up their own interpretation of islam. just because they're calling it sharia does not mean it's one thing. it is essentially about women's role, and this is -- this is really up to interpretation. i am one of those people who reject the claim of isis particularly to a lot of the only interpretation of women's role. i think islam had a lot of progressive roles for women and it's about how do we look at it. do we look at it in bad ways or look at it in the good ways? how do we promote an

alternative. here i want to say something about u.s. intervention in iraq because u.s. did open this pandora's box, it did open that jeanne out of the bottle. retriggered identity of what is a sunni whats a shia upon the u.s. invasion of iraq. as president obama is making his decision, really the u.s. have to think about one thing, whether it is responsible and wants to intervene in the middle east and responsible way so it creates stability in the region, or if it's going to take its hands off, take it forever. but right now, the u.s. really is responsible to some of this crisis happening in iraq and needs -- needs to think about its own long-term responsibility towards the country and stability of the region. >> long-term stability, when you think of that, the issue here is, when you look at shiites as well as sunnis, an existence side by side that has been, what, more than a thousand years. how would you suggest that the u.s. government view today's developments? what is a very short time in the

sunni-shia relationship? >> the sunni-shia relationship indeed has been historically tense. for historical reason, it's about political role, it's about emotional story and ideological story of the interpretation of islam. but that tension has been managed for hundreds of years. it has not been the fighting that we have right now. i grew up in iraq and the way that i grew up, there was never talk who is sunni, who is shia. more like in america, there's no talk about which religion you are except this happens during marriage. this -- this retriggered that identity as main identity, got retriggered after the u.s. invasion in 2003 partially because u.s. was looking at iraq in affirmative action kind of way, sunni, shia, christian, more because of political representation and political roles. that opened up pandora's box of

retriggering the identity. that's not a solid thing. it can be suppressed again. it canning managed again. we do not need to look at it fatalistic tension between sunni and shia. we have coexisted and lived with each other and married each other for centuries. >> because you know iraq so well, 20% are kurds and they've been activated in the latest round, shall we say? what sort of role might they take in a short-term solution right here in. >> the kurds, the kurds are actually have separated more or less from iraq, not -- politically and economically and have their own autonomy. they want protection of their own kurdish area and make sure isis is away from their kurdish area. they have managed to get all of the army actually in controlling of their borders. so as far as the kurds is concerned, this is an arab issue, a sunni-shia issue not a

kurd issue. they have beened a advocating f the separation of iraq. as an iraqi, not many iraqis are advocate for that. we want one country for all, just like we had it before. >> thank you so much. ceo and found of woman for women international. developing crisis in ukraine now, the newly elected ukrainian government reacting to a deadly surge in the violence. a ukrainian military transport plane shot down earlier today. the aftermath seen heerp the ukrainian aircraft attacked while landing in the eastern city killing all 49 crew and military on borpd deaard. the death toll is the largest since the stand-off began in the region four months ago where the death toll had risen to at least 270 before today's incident. that number, according to the ukrainian government. adding to the growing tensions and explosive device found near

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i would discount anything that he wrote from prison, in that situation, it's clearly his captors had the ability to force

him to write whatever they wanted him to. >> senator and former p.o.w., john mccain friday on cnn, discussing their newly published letters fromming sergeant bowe bergdahl, "the daily beast" obtain two letters writ. by sergeant bergdahl during his time in captivity. nbc news has not independently authenticated writings but reveal a young man in a fragile state. kimberly dozier contributor editor to "the daily beast." she broke this story for us. thanks for being with us. what are the letters reveal about the sergeant? >> well, if they were written by him, and u.s. and western officials say the bergdahl family believes they were, they reveal someone who is, first of all, trying to tell his parents, i'm okay, i'm alive. that came through in the letter he wrote in 2012. and he misses them fiercely. the letter in 2013, by then, he

had tried to escape twice and his conditions of captivity were much, much worse. they built a cage for him, taliban sources tell me. they kept him either in the cage or basements, sometimes hooded much of the time. and the second letter, he talks about here's why essentially i walked off the base. he says to his mom and dad, thank you for going to washington, d.c., tell those doing the investigation to wait for all of the evidence to come in. he starts talking about the conditions under which he was working in afghanistan. he complains about the leadership, said they didn't understand the situation, that they were putting them in dangerous circumstances, and that the situation was going from bad to a nightmare. so if this is what beau really wanted to say, he seems to have been outlining his argument in

case he never came back. now, as senator mccain raised the point, he also may well have been writing exactly what he was told to write. it would have been in the taliban's interest to put out a picture of a soldier who walked away because morale and conditions were so bad. really, we have to wait to hear from bowe bergdahl himself to find out if he wrote these, why he disappeared in the first place. >> his handwriting, it's been said, different in the two. what do you make of it? >> other hostages who have been held have said that they wanted to write in cursive but sometimes captors forced them to write in block letters because that was the only thing the captor -- the taliban in this case might have been able to read, because they're reading english as a second language. it's not clear why two letters look like they're written by two different people. a couple of things, in the

letters that indicated to the family they really were written by bowe references to his hometown and things like he signed one with a handwritten paw print apparently that's the way he would sign letters home from afghanistan and that's what they seized on to say these were written by our son. >> you mentioned a letter from march of last year reads, in part, quote, i'll have it right now, if this letter makes it to the usa, tell those involved in the investigation there are more sides of the situation. please tell d.c. to wait for all evidence to come in, end quote. you were alluding to that earlier. the author of the letter, we assume to be bergdahl, had clear misspellings there. what worries you about mistakes in spellings, in one letter that he spelled his name wrong, for instance? >> the thing is, i also got copies of the letters that the bergdahls sent to their son. we didn't publish those, i didn't think it was right to

expose them even nor publicity. their son is the true public figure. but throughout their letters, as in their son's, a lot of misspellings, a lot of improper grammar. so you know, bowe was home schooled and it seems this kind of spelling runs in the family. >> okay. you're a longtime war correspondent. this is a space you're very familiar with. we'll talk about the middle east. take us through today, he's in phase iii of the reintegration process, sergeant bergdahl, he's undergoing at the moment. what can you say about that? if what the psychologists and other counselors are trying toing walk him through now, letting him tell his story over and over but also helping him identify what were the coping strategies that you came up with while in prison that now aren't going to do you any good. are you going to startle at certain sounds or smells? and what are you going to say when you first meet your family?

they will help him war game how he's going to tell his story to them and sort of emotions it might elicit and eventually break it to him that his story is national news. >> right. >> a controversial figure, and a lot of members of his own troop are ranangry with him. >> that reporting from our correspondent there, saying he's not aware of that yet and certainly that conditioning will be so important. kimberly dozier, great conversation from the daily beast. appreciate it. >> still ahead, crisis on the border, happening now, thousands of undocumented children, teens, adults walking and some crawling across the u.s. border. we will talk to an activist who just returned from the border coming up. id to do something you really love, what would you do?" ♪ [ woman ] i'd be a writer. [ man ] i'd be a baker. [ woman ] i wanna be a pie maker. [ man ] i wanna be a pilot. [ woman ] i'd be an architect. what if i told you someone could pay you and what if that person were you?

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>> let's bring in juanita molina executive director of the border action network. we pospoke earlier this week on this issue. going to nogales arizona, the processing center, more than 1,000 undocumented children housed in one location. we got our first glimpse of the overcrowded conditions from a video provided to "the washington post" this week. there it is right there. tell us what you saw, though, at this warehouse. what conditions are there in. >> i think that the facilities in arizona are different than the facilities in texas. i think that you know, agents are conditioning to understand and learn from mistakes and situations in past and right now we're looking at a different situation in nogales.

i think that the conditions are better, although, you know, putting children in a detention center is the wrong thing to do. >> are they in a detention center? >> yes. the children are housed in a detention center in nogales. >> what has been said by officials before children would not be put in detention centers but instead in shelters. >> that is true. and unfortunately, the other government entities, hhs, have not been able to accommodate the children in their facilities in a timely fashion. ulsly border patrol comes into contact as you saw in the first part of the segment, process the children and lease them to other facilities bettor care for the children. because of the crisis they're housing children in detention facilities for longer than what they usually would be. >> when we spoke earlier, talking about bringing in more portable showers, more vinyl covered mattresses into these

places. what did you specifically see at the location you were at? >> they made a series of improvements, learning from past mistakes and other areas. they had brought in shower facilities, bathrooms, laundry facilities, they had an industrial kitchen to cook food on site. you know, border patrol was very kind and allow me a great deal of access. i was able to talk to all personnel and go into all areas of the facility. >> what did the personnel tell you? what did the children and/or parents tell you? >> you know, as far as personnel, i think that everyone feels deeply about this situation. i think that people are incredibly concerned about the emotional needs of the children that cannot be met in detention. these children have gone through harrowing journeys and they've seen too much, they've gone through too much and of course, stopping in a facility, the children need help. unfortunately, people feel

inadequate. at same time i saw tremendous effort and individual commitment with officers that i spoke to. >> of the children and of the women, what one discussion, what one statement, stands out to you in all that you had while there? >> i think that the conversation that stuck with me the most was a 7-year-old girl that i had the opportunity to talk to. she was crying because she was so scared. she had been picked up by border patrol. she was in one of the unaccompanied minors who crossed and did not know where her mother was. she cried. we talked a little bit about it. she said, i'm in here and my mother can't find me and people may forget about me and i may never get out. border patrol overs were there, to comfort her, give perfectly reasonable explanations that any adult would be able to understand. but for a 7-year-old in a detention facility, it was impossible for her to know she

would be out in a few days and that people would never forget her. >> we've got to go, but vie to ask, why now? did you get any sense from all of the conversations, why now? getting this large spike? >> well, you know, it's a humanitarian aid crisis. i mean, basically we have a refugee crisis, not a detention crisis. people have beenen trending this for quite some time. the white house has it right now in declaring it a humanitarian crisis. i hope we rise to the occasion. >> thank you so much for your time. immigration dominating the headlines. also following eric cantor's defeat by anti-immigration reform candidate in his primary. many predicting immigration reform now dead because no republican would want to risk the wrath of a challenge. maybe not. word that raul labrador will run for position vacated by cantor next month. in iowa this morning, potential

2016 candidates working up the crowd at the annual state convention. listen. >> stop listening to the voices in the big cities who want to talk about capital gains and cuts for higher income individuals' taxes and talk about creating growth and opportunity for all working americans. then we will be a majority party. >> there's a rebuiellion brewin we want a hostage takeover of washington, d.c. >> the brain trust joined by "the washington post" columnist dana milbank, roll call editor in chief, christine belintoni. dana, the republican leadership, the fight for who's going to take cantor's seat, how does raul labrador, how does it change things? >> well, probably in the long run, it doesn't change anything. i don't think people give him much of a chance of winning.

what he does have a chance of doing is at least making it interesting. he's agagenuinely part of the t party wing, kevin mccarthy votes and talks that way. he's an establishment character. there may not be a lot of difference in the way they vote. stylistically, there is. i think you'll see the most conservative members of the house in this sort of a protest vote for labrador. that is, assuming we have several days to go, the race could change with other people throwing their hats in as well. >> the issue of immigration, we were just talking about a second ago, whether it be illegal immigration, the situation of latino voting bloc, does labrador bring more to the table or is it just as dana was discussing, a protest vote that he might get? >> there's a couple of different things going on here. don't forget that congressman

labrador was part of this group of eight bipartisan members of the house trying to put doeg immigration reform overhaul plan to match what the senate was doing and, by the way, passed in a bipartisan fashion last year. he dropped out of that. he's said he's told roll call that immigration was the reason boehner has been weakened and potentially should have a loose hold on his speakership come next year. this is an issue where he's been in a couple of different places. he has favored a pathway to citizenship. there were a lot of things that happened tuesday night in the virginia 7th district. death of immigration reform wasn't one of them than was never, ever going to pass the house this year. and it was dead long before that happened. eric cantor, it's so -- it's almost ironic this is the issue that takes him down. it's not as if he was championing this. yes, he hut putt his name on principle saying he wanted to stanford things. he had control of the floor and

did not bring a bill to the floor. >> looking at his future, michael steele commenting on this on steve kornacki's show this morning. take a listen. >> with the upcoming presidential election, interest of eric cantor serving as national chairman of the rnc. >> republican national committee. he started dialogues on poverty and some other issues that were sort of outside of what republicans traditionally have talk about. he could bring a very interesting voice into that space. >> interesting discussion, no doubt. so what do you think here, rich? does eric cantor have a role to play, perhaps in what -- >> i have to tell you, i love michael steele but it's impossible for me to understand, how somebody's going to be promoted into being rnc chair on the basis of losing an embarrassing election, you know, less than a week ago. i don't understand how anybody thinks that way. i frankly don't -- >> will time cure that?

>> immigration -- all of the people including the threatt of absolutely eric cantor would sail, we didn't know he was going to fail, we're all now five days later perfectly happy to tell you with great authority what's going to happen next weep had no idea what was going to happen next on tuesday. >> got it. >> let me talk about -- >> go ahead. >> quickly, let me say this about immigration. you know, one of the champions of immigration reform is lindsey graham, from south carolina, and people were looking at that race to see whether immigration was going to have a dramatic impact. he sail through his primary. got 58%, maybe more, of the primary vote. no run-off. if immigration was really driving this vote, then i guess it stopped somewhere south of roanoke. >> speaking of roles in the republican party, dana, we've been hearing about mitt romney hosting another retreat in park city, utah. he's not running, but if you

look at perhaps some of the things he's doing, he might be positioning himself as a party kingmaker. what do you think? >> well, this notion of mitt romney going for the presidency a third time is like what rich was describing of eric cantor losing the primary and then getting kicked upstairs to run the party. it's hard to imagine that republicans would come to him again as a standard bearer. but that said, he does have sort of this elder statesman kind of quality to him in the party now, particularly if jeb bush isn't going to be running. there's looking for something resembling the establishment. we keep saying tea party establishment. they've essentially merged talking about a guy who is a chamber of commerce republican, a businessman. he's sort of the guy still holding that position in the party because jeb bush may not be in the race, because chris christie has seen his popularity

fall. >> christina, your thought? >> that's all very accurate, i think. in addition, romney is looked at as a guy who can coalesce the money. that's a critical element of running for president. that's one reason he's getting all of this attention and being able to bring together his support and movement, fund-raisers, raise for others. where george w. bush? he had to sit out two presidential cycles. now his popularity rating has gone up, he's redeemed himself in some ways i think that once we know what jeb bush is doing, we'll have a test does bush hit the campaign trail in the same way we're seeing president clinton come back and be beneficial in some elections. >> rand paul saying that gathering in iowa this weekend, the question is how to reach out to people and he's talking about the gop. how's that done? >> well, i think what he was

saying was what other folks were saying is right as opposed to mrs. clinton saying she was broke before she bought two million dollar houses. what republican have to do quit allowing guy like me to have a microphone and say it's horrible, it's great, it's horrible, it's great. they need to find people of the current generation willing to go out, make the case and say, it's okay to say i'm a republican. >> appreciate your time. have a great weekend. thanks, you, too. angelina jolie can add another honor to her resume, dame of the british empire. qu queen elizabeth giving her the title for the work in raising global awareness of violence against women. something ronan ferrell asked jolie about friday in his exclusive interview. >> it is such a violent crime and it is -- it makes you not only feel so abused and so

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the u.s. aircraft carrier "uss george h.w. bush" is on its way into the persian gulf. the pentagon has not announced action, just to say the move is to protect u.s. interests. fighting in iraq continues. president obama saying he'll make a decision about any mill ta military intervention in the coming days. congress could find itself again voting to authorize noers iraq. obama promised u.s. troops will not get involved in the latest round of violence. lawmakers could be asked to give the okay by air strikes by u.s. aircraft. let me bring congressman jim himes who sits on the intelligence committee. your thought, what point should

the u.s. become involved militarily? >> well, it not clear that there is a point which we should become involved militarily other than to go after those terrorists or those groups, al qaeda, amongst them that are not so much about the sunni-shia sectarian warfare that we're seeing in the region now or perhaps not about the modernizers versus the kalla fade gang. those going after us are legitimate targets. i will listen to whatever the president wants to propose but getting the united states of america involved in a regional, religious sectarian war would be a profound error. >> what would you support as the president does come to congress tomorrow saying he may want to do several things? he could include drone strikes, air strikes, et cetera? what, if anything, might you support, drone strikes? >> well, look, first i'd have to make sense of the situation. we would be getting militarily

involv involved behalf of a shiite ruler, iranian proxy, if you will, fighting soonny insurgents. across the border in syria, we're doing the opposite of that, we're supporting sunni insurgents against a shiite iranian proxy in the form of president assad. that's question number one. which is what is the overarching strategy? question number two is, what do we think we're going to achieve by some form of military action, bombing or drones. if you could convince me -- you'd have a hard time doing it diagnose something we could do kin nextically, shut down the conflict in the country i'd be open minded but that's a high bar to convince me anything we would do would do anything that would make it worse. >> payments have been made by the u.s. government to sunnis, certain groups. what would the solution be if you have to give one to the president? >> well, you know, the first

thing that needs to be done, of course, a real effort to try to reduce the violence and reduce the hot hostilities. we have backed prime ministmall. so one thing i might suggest to the president is, let's get the maliki to call a conference where the shiites, sunni and kurds are represented at the table to try to work this out peacefully. look, if they are so bound and determined to fight this out if they're going to have the kind of sunni-shia warfare we're seeing in the region, if that's what they want to do, we're not going to stop them from doing. i'm not sure -- remember when we talk about air strikes talking about pilots in the air, awful lot of money, and we're talking about a very uncertain outcome. so, again, my level of skepticism here is pretty high for any military involvement by the united states. >> as always, great conversation. jim himes, thank you so much.

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dress, worn and designed by 28-year-old susan brennon. this is actually susan's third time winning the contest, and she joins us right now. congratulations. and susan, i understand that you have brought a couple of your creations to show us what they look like. and very quickly, how you put them together. >> yes, i did. i made a purse for you guys. this is what it looks like. can you see it? >> that's all made of toilet paper? >> that is all toilet paper. and i used elements from the dress, like this fringe. my dress, it transformed and the bottom part actually came off. and then it had a short little mini skirt made of fringe underneath. >> do you use glue? what do you use to keep it all together? >> yeah, i use hot glue and tape and a nieedle and thread. those are the only supplies you're allowed. >> the dress itself, how long does it take you to put together. i understand it was 20 rolls of toilet paper, at least, for your winning entrance? >> yes, i used actually only 17

rolls of charmin ultrasoft toilet paper and it took about a month for me to make. >> a month! let me ask you, this is kind of a funny question, is there certain types of toilet paper that work better, you said you used ultrasoft, there's also the durable type, the three-ply versus the single-ply. >> it's a two-ply, and you have to use charmin, they're one of the sponsors for the cheap chic wedding dress contest. and you can use any type. one person used vintage toilet paper, so it was colored, it was really cool. >> so i've got to imagine the conversations you have here, susan, with your friends and family. they're probably going, susan, how did you get into this, is what they're asking. >> yeah, definitely. i got into it because i saw a little part on the news a few years ago, and they were totally joking, making kind of fun of the contest, it is a funny contest, and i heard that and i was like, i need to do this. and i've had great success and fortune with it. >> so this must work out in many

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