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this morning iraqi government forces are said to be holding back an advance of sunni militants somewhere north of baghdad. these forces have been reinforced by members of shiite militia groups. thousands of young iraqi men answering the urgent call to arms yesterday in the southern part of the country. there are reports that a number of towns have been retaken from the rebels. they still hold the big cities of tikrit and mosul. in mosul today, only days after iraq's second largest city fell to al qaeda-inspired insurgents, many iraqis are willingly returning home. as many as half a million residents escaped as mosul fell but people are being lured back with cheap gas, food, clean streets and electricity that works for many more hours a day now than it did before. some in mosul telling journalists they feel safer and less owe pressed than they did under the government with prime minister neuwe nouri al maliki.

the latest reporting suggests maybe the militants' progress has been stalled at least for the moment. what can you tell us this morning? >> reporter: well, the situation continues to remain very tense on the outskirts of baghdad, more importantly in the areas that are between baghdad and some of the towns and cities that are controlled by isis. the iraqi government certainly trying to change the momentum and trying to get some momentum on their side, not only with its rhetoric but also the reality on the ground. as you mentioned, there have been centers, recruitment centers that have been open for shia militias to join the fight, but also you saw on friday the prime minister hold a meeting with high-ranking military officials in samarra to try to assert his control over the country and more importantly

says he wants to push and repel any of the al qaeda-linked militants' attacks that have been over the past several days plaguing some of the cities. now, in addition to that the iraqi government says it will take the fight to these rebel-held areas, but a lot of people have been pointing out this is not simply an issue of military victories on the ground. there are legitimate and political grievances that have been exacerbated by many members of the sunni arab community and the prime minister. now the question is whether or not the prime minister can build some kind of reconciliation momentum to try and win back some of these communities that are expressing their support, at least symbolically, to the al qaeda-linked militant group which in itself feels it has a tremendous amount of momentum on its side. it certainly has a ground swell of support in some of the areas it is controlling and more importantly it now has an influx of weapons and cash from some of the bases that they have been able to loot and control over the past several days. so still a very tense situation

throughout the entire northwestern part of iraq. steve. >> foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin in northern iraq this morning. coming up in the next, how more on the situation in iraq including today's blame game about what caused the current crisis. we'll talk with general wesley clark who led the war in kosovo as nato supreme allied commander. we'll talk to him about all of that. we want to turn now to one of the violent scenes that unfolded here this week here in the united states. this is what it looked like at reynolds high school in the suburbs of portland, oregon, on tuesday morning. distraught students were filing out of school of a freshman student there shot and killed his 14-year-old classmate, amelia hoffman, in the boys locker room. he also woundinged a phys ed teacher who tried to intervene and turned the gun on himself after exchanging gunfire with police officers at the scene. police say the shooter was armed with an assault rifle, nine magazines of ammunition, a handgun and a knife. according to the gun safety group everytown.org, this marked

the 74th school shooting since the tragedy at sandy hook elementary school in newtown, connecticut, back in december 2012. less than two years ago. that was the school shooting that was so horrific that in its wake there seemed to be consensus that congress would surely do something in response. everytown.org arrived at that number of 74 by countingin dents by which a firearm was discharged in a school building or on school grounds. there was another incident last week in las vegas. a husband and wife gunned down and killed two police officers who were having lunch at a local pizzaria. the couple, who were videotaped and cliven bundy's ranch in nevada fled to a nearby walmart where they shot and killed a shopper. police killed the husband and the wife then shot and killed herself. so those are just the mass shootings that happened in the last week. a day after that las vegas incident, senate majority leader

harry reid, who represents nevada, made his first unprompted mention of revisiting gun control legislation in months. >> a step in the right direction, universal background checks so that people who are criminals, who are deranged, can't buy a gun. the american people are depending upon us to pass legislation to prevent gun violence and safeguard communities, schools and families. >> on tuesday afternoon president obama said the single biggest frustration of his presidency has been the lack of willingness to take basic steps to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people. >> we're the only developed country on earth where this happens. and it happens now once a week. our levels of gun violence are off the charts. there's no advanced developed country on earth that would put up with this. >> but the president also impressed pessimism about

getting gun legislation through congress any time soon. >> and most members of congress, and i have to say to some degree this is bipartisan, are terrified of the nra. the combination of the nra and gun manufacturers are very well financed and had the capacity to move votes in local elections and congressional elections, and so if you're running for office right now, that's where you feel the heat. and people on the other side may be generally favorable towards things like background checks and other common sense rules, but they're not as motivated. but until that's a view that people feel passionately about and are willing to go after, folks who don't vote reflecting those values, until that

happens, sadly not that much is going to change. >> it's not that congress entirely ignored what happened this week. on tuesday the house held what was described as an emotional moment of silence for the victims in portland. it was led by oregon democrat whose district includes reynolds high school. but absent any legislative action from congress, this is how one oklahoma company is trying to protect kids while they're at school. >> the sandy hook school massacre was a wake-up call for steve walker, a father of two elementary school students, steve desperately wanted to protect his boys from a dangerous classroom intruder. >> we wanted to have our children have a layer of protection that they could get immediately. so they would be stored in the classroom. and when seconds count, that they can be easily applied. >> it took him a year to design, create and now market the bodyguard blanket. it's made from the same material protecting police officers and

our soldiers in afghanistan. kids put them on just like a backpack with head to toe defense. >> as the students put them on and line up in the hallway, they develop like a shield like the romans and the greeks used to lock their shields together so it gives them added protection. >> reports like that leave us to ask even in our polarized political environment, are bulletproof blankets really the best we can do to prevent future school shootings? to talk about this i want to bring in pia carusone and richard feldman, the president of the independent firearm owners association, former nra lobbyist. thank you for both of you for joining us. we have a little time here. let's try to find some common ground. pia, i'll start with you. it sounded to me in the extended clip from the president, it sounded to me like he was talking to you because it's kind of striking to groups like yours. it's kind of striking, a lot of times you think of the issue of

immigration and the prospects of anything happening legislatively are not that good but they talk like they are. they keep the appearance and maybe the illusion out there. when it comes to gun control legislation, though, he's basically saying, no, look, it's not happening and putting the onus on you. saying i need groups to go out and make this issue matter to people who want gun control as much as it matters to the nra. when that happens, when there's some parity there, then something can happen in congress. what's your response to the president when he says that? >> we completely agree. this issue is now political and we need to be able to show the senators that voted for background checks that you can both do the right thing and come back to work. the folks in the house that have co-sponsored, you know, various bills similar to the background check bill that it's possible to be both courageous and successful politically. so our group announced a couple weeks ago that we're getting involved in 11 races. we've raised over $14 million that we've publicly declared. >> you say races.

>> these are elections, mostly incumbents that we'll be supporting this year. people that have stood up, shown the american public that they're willing to do the right thing. >> specifically on background checks? >> on background checks, exactly. >> let's look at the question of background checks. there's all sorts of angles that you could look legislatively in terms of what you can do on guns. but the focus in washington has been the manchin-toomey background checks bill introduced in the wake of sandy hook. so tell us, we have right now going back 20 years to when the brady bill passed in the early '90s, there is a background check system in place right now. what is it specifically that manchin-toomey would do that doesn't exist right now? >> manchin-toomey would have mandated background checks to occur at sales at gun shows and on the internet, but it left open many exceptions for family members, for temporary transfers for hunting, it was a very reasonable bill. it was not universal background checks, just expanding the current system that we have today that applies only to guns

bought from licensed dealers. >> so you're talking about internet sales and gun shows. richard, i'm saying i hope we can finding some common ground here. i'm curious what you make of specifically manchin-toomey. we're not talking about -- we're talking specifically about background checks here, closing the loopholes that pia just talked about. is that something you find acceptable? >> our organization enthusiastically supported the final version of the manchin-toomey bill because it required background checks essentially in commercial transactions, not between people who know each other. that's the objection gun folks have to the universal background check. when you're buying and selling a gun in a commercial transaction at a gun show, we think it makes a lot of sense to require a background check, but that wouldn't have had any impact on the recent high visibility

crimes. our shooter in santa barbara went through a background check. nothing that's been proposed would have had him in the system. clearly he was disturbed. clearly his parents tried to get help for him. they sent the police. but we have a failed mental health system in this country and we're not really focusing on the problem that we could do something about. >> richard, i want to get into the mental health question here in a minute too but i kind of want to stay on this point because it's interesting. we have you and we have pia agreeing and you both support the manchin-toomey background checks bill. yet in the wake of sandy hook and in the wake of -- i understand you can look at individual tragedies and say it wouldn't have worked in this case, maybe it would have worked in this case. but putting that aside in the face of all these tragedies that keep happening, something where there's an agreement between the two of you cannot get through congress right now. what is the obstacle?

you say it's reasonable. you're a strong supporter of gun rights. you say it's reasonable, pia says it's reasonable. what's the obstacle here? >> the obstacle was that it got thrown together with all sorts of other provisions from senator dianne feinstein on assault weapons. while they were separate bills, in the minds of gun owners it was all one piece of legislation and the opposition to the assault weapons provisions overrode everything else. if we focused our attentions in this country on one aspect of the problem, as you're trying to do right here and now, pia and i would agree on solving this problem. why don't we act like we used to in america and take these issues one step at a time. let's not allow the things we disagree over prevent us from moving forward on the many areas that we do agree about. >> okay. so when we have found agreement on this bill, you just heard, pia, richard's assessment of why

it failed. what is your assessment? >> yeah, i think that these senators just couldn't accept the fact that they were going to be something that the nra would not be supportive of. many of them have been working with the nra their whole career and couldn't fathom a re-election where they weren't endorsed by them frankly. >> there's a piece of video here and we've got to squeeze a break in. but there's a piece of video, i think people have watched this in the last few weeks. it's incredibly emotional from the father of one of the recent victims. i want to play what he said and i want to have our two guests respond to that. we'll do that when we come back. [ woman ] i've got someone who understands my sensitive side.

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why did chris die? chris died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the nra. they talk about gun rights.

what about chris's right to live? when will this insanity stop? when will enough people say "stop this madness, we don't have to live like this." too many have died! we should say to ourselves not one more. >> that is richard martinez talking about his son, chris, who was gunned down last month at uc santa barbara. richard, i'm just -- i'm sure you've seen that clip before and i think a lot of people have seen it and have strong reactions to it. when you hear that, the anguish of a father who just lost his son saying what he's saying there, what kind of reaction do you have when you hear that? >> well, it's very understandable, but as a society we can't respond to the momentary emotion. we need to take an intelligent, articulate, cool, calculated

understanding of the problem and deal with the problem, not the emotionalism of the problem. and if we look at the behavioral indicators that surround the mentally deranged individual, we can do a lot to keep those guns hopefully out of the hands of some of them. we'll probably prevent more suicides than we will mass homicides. we can do a better job. but if we look for perfection, we're going to fail. there are lots of things we can do. >> for example, what would you say? what would the prescription be? >> well, maybe we need to take a better look at when the police are called to a situation, where the parents are concerned, maybe we should do more about the guns at that momentary moment when the police have been called in and they are aware, which they weren't in santa barbara, that

the person has guns. we need to take a very hard and careful look at what we can do in society in those moments of strife and anguish about keeping the guns away from someone in a situation like that shooter. >> so, pia, he seems to be suggesting there some sort of mental health assessment and if somebody is found, boy, this could be a concern here, then look should this person be owning firearms or have access to them in the first place or be owning them. when you hear what this father -- when you heard that reaction and you think in terms of what can we do, what kind of reaction do you have? >> well, it's very difficult. every situation is different. and in the case of the las vegas incident, you saw people that were being manipulated by the rhetoric that they have heard in the media or that they have read and they have had this anti-government sentiment. in the california shooting, yes, he had guns but who would have known he had guns? no one wants registration.

you start talking about that and you've got no support. by the way, background checks is not controversial except in washington, d.c. we just did some polling in texas and found 75% of nra members in texas support background checks. if we can agree on that, let's get that done and let that be the first step towards us having a conversation about really what else can we do, because the rest of it does get complicated. talking about dangerously mentally ill people, how do you prevent them from causing harm to themselves and others but not stigmatizing other people with mental health issues. how do you start to look at the weapons without limiting responsible gun owners' rights. it gets complicated. >> richard, is that what the nra is afraid of here? when you look at something like background checks and manchin-toomey, is that ultimately what it comes down to from the nra's standpoint that they can't let, quote unquote, the other side put a win on the board? if they put one win on the

board, then they say that means the next thing the myth of the nra all powerful thing gets chipped away? is that what the nra is afraid of here, that cascading effect? >> well, that may be part of it. and of course the nra is composed of four plus million americans. they have to be concerned about the views of their membership. but the nra over the years has been a lot more responsible on the gun issue than is often given credit. they were involved very deeply in the original brady law. in fact the law that's on the books today as written at the national rifle association. i know, because i was there at the time. >> but i mean do you want them -- do you want them right now -- you've been there. do you look at them right now and say, hey, guys, listen, you've got to be a little reasonable here. manchin-toomey, you've got to get behind this one. do you want them to get behind this one? >> well, the earlier version of

the manchin-toomey bill was very flawed. it was only the amended version which came up late in the day that we supported and of course you'll have to ask nra where they are. but there are aspects of the bill i don't think thd find objectionable and there was a bill that was very supportive of gun owners. but if we keep ourselves focused on the problem narrowly and carefully and always remember that it's never the gun per se but always in whose hands are the guns, we articulate the discussion that way, we can thread the needle and move this debate to some resolution. >> it's been a year and a half since sandy hook, and again at that moment i think if you'd said a year and a half later nothing would have happened, i think people would have been very surprised but here we are. this is the thing that's still in the air. will background checks ever

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predecessors and republican governors all around the country. when democrats swept last november's election, recapturing the governorship, the lieutenant governor's office, it looked like the medicaid expansion was going to happen. it put democrats in control of the state senate while leaving the statehouse, though, in republican hands. virginia is the only state that obama won in 2012 where a democratic governor has not been able to expand medicaid yet. it is the outlier blue state in that way. with democrats in power across the board, it looked like virginia might finally be able to get that legislation passed this year. mcauliffe wanted the medicaid expansion in the state's budgets, something they put together only once every two years but the republican house fierce lely opposed his efforts. the legislature ended its session without passing a budget in march so mcauliffe has been taking his campaign for medicaid expansion on the road. he went to communities like martinsville near the north carolina border, a region with

the state's highest unemployment rate. he visited health care centers run by piedmont which estimates more than half of their 12,000 patients would qualify for health insurance under the medicaid insurance. it would help them see more patients, some of whom mcauliffe heard from directly. >> where do i draw the line? do i not eat? do i not buy medication? do i not pay a bill? because i was one of those that now do not exist, but i was once a middle class citizen. >> so that was the backdrop this week when the legislature came back into session. they were going to settle the medicaid dispute. state government would shut down by the end of the month if they didn't, and democrats appeared to hold all of the cards, or most of the cards. but on sunday night "the washington post" learned that a democratic state senator, philip puckett, was going to resign his seat, handing control of the chamber to republicans. in exchange his daughter would

get a judgeship and he would get a job with the state tobacco commission. the alleged quid pro quo has been denied by the parties but it prompted an outcry from democrats, leading puckett to withdraw his name for consideration for the tobacco commission job. the damage was done. the state senate was in republican hands and the united republican legislature was poised to sever medicaid from the budget, which they did late thursday night along with an amendment requiring the general assembly's authorization of any increased spending on medicaid. so now governor mcauliffe is weighing his next steps. he's crafting a strategy to bring the medicaid expansion he promised to virginia in spite of these new hurdles. the 400,000 virginians who would have received health care under the expansion remain uninsured. joining us now is the democratic lieutenant governor of virginia, ralph northam. mr. lieutenant governor, thank you for joining us this morning. give us the bottom line on this. this is what terry mcauliffe ran on, this is sort of the signature pledge of his governorship.

i am going to expand medicaid. we're going to be another one of these blue states that gets it. the republicans now have forced this budget on him that does not include that. what happens next? >> well, steve, good morning. we were able to pass a budget thursday night, but disappointingly there are 400,000 virginians now, hard-working virginians without coverage. as we know when one doesn't have coverage, they ending up receiving the care in the emergency room. there's a time and place for the emergency room but it's certainly not an effective and efficient place for care. so we're going to continue to move forward with medicaid expansion and hopefully in a bipartisan manner. the other thing, steve, that is important for folks to realize, we are losing right now in the commonwealth of virginia $5.2 million a day. to date we have left $827 million on the table. as a business model, it just doesn't make sense for the commonwealth of virginia. >> when you say you're going to move forward, i mean the reports are saying some kind of executive action. is that what you're saying?

do you expect governor mcauliffe to take executive action on this to implement it on his own without the legislature? >> well, certainly he's looking at his options right now. we were disappointed on thursday night. we came into richmond intending to pass the budget, intending to provide coverage for these 400,000 individuals. we don't have that presently, but there are some options. he's looking into them. he can sign the bill, he can amend it, he can veto it. so we're sitting down as a group and in the next seven days we're going to make an important decision. but the bottom line is, it is very, very important for these 400,000 individuals to have coverage. it's also important economically for virginia to move forward with medicaid expansion. >> well, here's the quote because i mean certainly the expectation now of some kind of executive action or at least the possibility of executive action is leading to some criticism from republicans. this is a member of the house of delegates, a republican who said of the possible executive action. it would be unconstitutional and he, terry mcauliffe, would be putting himself in a very

precarious situation both legally and, more importantly, with his relationship with the general assembly. he's raising two issues there. let me take the legal one. have you looked at this and are you satisfied that there is a legal route to expanding this by executive action? >> well, we're looking at that, steve, but certainly we would like to do this through the legislature. that's the way it should be done. you know, as you said earlier, we ran on this issue in virginia. the attorney general, myself and governor mcauliffe, we won. the people spoke in the commonwealth of virginia. they are supportive of closing the coverage gap. so we need to do what the people wanting to do in virginia and that's move forward with medicaid expansion. >> just a quick follow-up. is there a case to be made for rejecting the budget and putting this back and saying, hey, look, i'm only signing a bubldget wit medicaid expansion because that's what the people want and republicans aren't giving it to them. is there a case to be made for that?

>> certainly time is a factor. we need a budget by july 1 and here we are in the middle of june so we don't have a lot of time to work on that. so priority number one certainly is to have a budget in virginia that we can all work with. the localities rely on that. but we want to move forward with medicaid expansion as well so we're working on those options presently. >> my thanks to virginia lieutenant governor ralph northam. there is more on how medicaid expansion is playing out all across the country. we'll talk to two people who know it very well. that's next. we thought karate was just another phase.

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we have annie lowrey and nbc senior political reporter perry bakon jr. he joins us -- both of them join us from washington, d.c., this morning. perry, you wrote about this virginia question this week. we just had the lieutenant governor on. he wasn't committing to anything as best i could tell, he just said we're going to look at it, we're going to look at it. you've been looking at this. is this where you expect things to go, executive action by terry mcauliffe to expand medicaid? >> i don't think there will be, steve. what happened this week really changed the dynamic, particularly what happened on thursday. the republicans got even more power in the legislature because of that resignation. what they did is they passed a provision that said basically no matter what the governor has to get our approval to expand medicaid. not just funding, because the actual funding dollars come from the federal government for medicaid right now so there's no money the legislature has to give but they passed a provision that says he cannot do anything unless we approve it. and now the budget is in his hands and he has two options,

veto the budget and lead to a government shutdown potentially or sign this thing. there are 68 members of the house of delegates that are republicans and only 31 democrats in the house of delegates in virginia. it's hard to see them moving. it looks like mcauliffe will lose this issue right now. >> that is one thing i thought was clear from the lieutenant governor, it did not sound like shutting down the government and rejecting the budget was a possibility for them. if what perry is saying is right, republicans will win this round. they have fought terry mcauliffe on his signature goal and it looks like they're going to win. there is not going to be medicaid expansion in the state of virginia. when you look back two years ago at that supreme court ruling that basically said this is the state's call whether to expand obamacare this way, did you think two years later we would be talking about all these states that haven't done it? we'd be talking about a state like virginia having a fight like this to not do it? >> yeah, absolutely. the supreme court ruling, which

was surprising, basically the obama administration thought that it would be able to compel states to join the expansion and it also thought that states -- it gave states a really good deal. they're going to pay 90% of the cost in perpetuity and it's i think 100% of the cost for the first three years. but if you look back to previous expansions of benefits like this, very often when states had the option to do it, so including medicare, it took a long time for some states to come around. so currently it's 27 states and the district of columbia that have semd the medicaid expansion. about five other states are currently looking close at it. are thinking about expanding. and i think that it's just going to take a long time before you start to see the really deep red states perhaps considering this legislatively. >> yeah, so it will take some time, i guess, but you look at in ohio, the republican governor, he's gone to great lengths to do expansion there. you've seen versions of it elsewhere. so a state like virginia, a deep red state like you see throughout the south, it's going to take time an what else?

what is going to happen in that time that is going to make republican governors and republican legislatures say, yeah, we need to do this? what do you think the key is on that front? >> i think it's important to note that you have red states that have already done this. look at arkansas, which is not a state that is very democratic, but they have gone ahead and done it. the legislature held their nose but said they thought it would be the best thing to do. i think you'll have to look at whether the program succeeds in states like that to help create some political space for other really deep red states to do this. but frankly i think it's going to be a long time before you see states like south carolina, states like texas actually go ahead and accept it because i think that it just -- it's not within the realm of political possibility currently, but i think it will take a long time to get there. more red states going ahead and doing it is what you're going to need. >> i've been wondering if the key date isn't january 21st, 2017, president obama is no longer in office and maybe stop calling it obamacare. i want to thank annie lowery and

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some of the country's most influential republicans spent part of this weekend in park city, utah. they have mitt romney to thank for it. they were there for a retreat organized by the former gop presidential nominee. lots of 2016 presidential hopefuls were in attendance, including new jersey governor chris christie, kentucky senator rand paul, wisconsin congressman paul ryan. he was the 2012 vp nominee with romney, of course. you may be surprised to hear that this man was there too. former montana governor brian schweitzer. he's a democrat. there's plenty of buzz that he may be thinking of running for the democratic presidential domination. according to "the new york times" he joked that, quote, there's not a single vote for me in the building.

"times" claims romney took a shot at the media saying schweitzer would find some votes in the pressroom. looks like romney also invited hillary clinton. she's of course in the middle of her book tour and couldn't make it to utah this weekend. at the retreat romney didn't have kind words about clinton's tenure as secretary of state. he said the obama, biden, hillary clinton foreign policy is a monumental bust. he weighed in on the crisis in iraq saying tragically we fought in iraq, all the 4500 american lives lost is on the cusp of vanishing. brian schweitzer is back in montana from his trip to park city and joins us now live. governor, thanks for taking the time. look, the stories are out there that maybe brian schweitzer is interested in running for president in 2016 and here you are talking to a roomful of rich republicans in utah. how did that come about? >> well, mitt called and said, look, brian, i do this thing

every year and many of these people are my donors and i'd like you to come down and give them the democratic perspective. and so i did. i've got to tell you, this was something. it was a little bit like a boxing ring, so there was a small ring in the middle and then there were raised seats around it with these 300 people. in the middle of my presentation, i kind of thought about the gladiators who were out there and having the fans all cheer for the tiger. it was a -- they were -- they were not that receptive, but listen, i told them things like this. you don't like obamacare. you know, i had some concerns with it too because i wanted a single payer, which would be more efficient. well, they didn't boo me on that one. i said to them let's not talk about going back into iraq because it was a mistake to go there the first time. i told them, look, i lived in the middle east for seven years. iraq was fighting iran. iraq was maintaining -- sort of holding iran in check. then when we attacked iraq, we took out saddam hussein, we created that vacuum and now we

have a problem. i told them the solution is not to go back to the middle east. the solution is a cleaner and greener american supply of energy so we'll never have to fight another oil war. we'll never send our sons and daughters to fight for those dictators again and they can boil in their own oil. >> let me ask you what you think the purpose of the conference was, because there's been a lot of reporting come out of this and a lot of people who have been there at this thing talking about mitt romney in 2016, believe it or not. you were quoted as saying that looking at the republican 2016 field, mitt romney would be a giant among midgets. did you get the sense being at this thing, talking to him, listening to the donors there, did you get the sense that he's thinking about 2016 at all? >> mitt is not running. and i talked to some of his family. they said the same things that my family say to me, which is they don't want to go through this again. they do not want to have their father, their husband, involved

in this again. mitt, i guess, feels a responsibility to in particular these donors to continue in the process. but i don't believe mitt romney. he said he's not running for president. i believe him. but what was interesting about this is i got an opportunity to see republicans talking about policy among themselves. and they had a panel just before i spoke. and it was a group of women saying to them, are you crazy? you've got to have immigration policy or you're not going to have people of color ever support you. and they said, and you've got to do something about gay marriage, because gays, lesbians, transgenders, they're in every family in america. and people that are 30 and under, they're never going to vote for you old white guys if you don't support these issues. so it was kind of interesting hearing from their own perspective about what their fatal flaws are. >> speaking of fatal flaws, a lot of people in 2012 looked at mitt romney and said he could be his own worst enemy in some ways, but you made a little news here.

this was a quote. tell me if they got this right but this is how you were quoted in "the washington post." you said to romney i don't know why you lost the election, mitt, but i know this. i was watching you on tv and i didn't see the mitt romney that i knew. you're a fun guy, you're easy going and obama is not. i've been in the room with him a little too. he's stiff as a board and you've got it going on. you think obama is stiff as a board? >> sure. when obama has a great persona in front of people. but listen, we all know that. he's cold, he's cool, he's collected. and some of those are the characteristics that you want in a president. somebody who when they get that call in the middle of the night says, all right, i understand, i got it as opposed to somebody that flies off the handle. mitt romney, he was stiff on television. i think we can all agree. but when he was in with the group of people that he knows, he was cracking jokes, he was fluid, he wasn't that stiff guy that was walking on stage.

so what happens in these presidential elections -- >> that was -- >> is that they get so handled, they get stiff. >> now the question too, that response that i just read back to you was in response to a question saying are you, brian schweitzer, more relatable than hillary clinton and you told the crowd, yes. you think you are more relatable than hillary clinton. >> i did not. actually let me tell you what the question was. the question was this. did you hear that hillary clinton said she was flat broke? and then the second part of it, are you relatable to people? and in the first one i said there was more that hillary said. hillary said, look, when we left office, we had millions of dollars worth of legal fees and we didn't have jobs. and so -- and she's also said maybe i misspoke by saying we were flat broke. but the facts are they had debts and they had very few assets. the second part of it about relatability, i said, well, i don't really know how to answer that question other than say i'm

related to a lot of people. i have 69 first cousins. that was the only answer i gave. >> i want to get one more question because you also said in another quote that i read, you said i'll tell you one thing, i wouldn't have voted for that damn war talking about iraq and 2002 and talking about the vote that hillary clinton cast as a member of the senate in 2002. he's one of the pieces of news she's made with this book tour is saying she got it wrong on iraq. is that good enough for you or does she still have questions to answer about that? >> no. listen, everybody has made nation and everybody moves on. i didn't mention the name hillary clinton or anybody else during my comments other than rand paul, who i said i agreed with on nsa. and i disagreed with the bush administration on the patriot act that allowed us to spy on our own citizens. i disagreed with the real i.d. and i told those folks that. a lot of people supported that last war in iraq. the question is are we going to throw more money and more lives in iraq and the middle east or

are we going to develop an energy future in america so we'll never fight another oil war. >> well, when you are putting out signs you might be interested in running for president against hillary clinton, you say i wouldn't have voted for that war in '02, i think people will make the connection and say i think he's talking about hillary there. but brian schweitzer, former governor of montana, thanks, appreciate it. we'll be right back. naming names. the fact is, it comes standard with an engine that's been called the benchmark of its class. really, guys, i thought... it also has more rear legroom than other midsize sedans. and the volkswagen passat has a lower starting price than... much better. vo: hurry in and get 0% apr for 60 months on 2014 passat gasoline models plus a $1000 contract bonus. where you can explore super destinations and do everything under the sun. 12 brands. more hotels than anyone else in the world.

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another day of intense fighting across iraq as president obama weighs his options for possible military intervention. the defense secretary is taking steps to make sure the u.s. military can carry out those options. the pentagon announced yesterday that secretary chuck hagel has ordered an aircraft carrier to escort ships to the persian gulf. ships carry tomahawk missiles that have the capability to reach iraq. the aircraft carrier, the george h.w. bush carries fighter jets that can also easily make it to iraq. thousands of shiite men from across southern iraq are answering an urgent call to arms today. hundreds of them set off for training before joining in the fight. there are reports this morning that a number of towns had been retaken from the rebels, but that the al qaeda-inspired insurgents still hold the big cities of tikrit and mosul. for nearly a decade the city of

basra served as the headquarters for the forces that aided the u.s. this morning tony blair who made that decision to join the u.s. more than a decade ago is saying that the 2003 invasion is not the cause for the violence happening in iraq right now. blair points the finger of blame largely at the ongoing crisis in syria, adding that the idea iraq would still be stable today under saddam hussein is, quote, simply not credible and bizarre. >> even if you left saddam in place in 2003, then when 2011 happened and you had the arab revolutions going through tunisia and libya and yemen and bahrain and egypt and syria, you would have still had a major problem in iraq. you can see what happens when you leave the dictator in place, as has happened with assad now. the problems don't go away. >> joining me this morning from little rock, arkansas, to talk about all of this, we have retired u.s. army general wesley clark, a former supreme allied

commander with nato who ran for president as a democrat in 2004. general, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you, steve. >> i guess i want to start with your response to what we just heard tony blair saying right there. he's saying that in 2003 saddam hussein is deposed, saddam hussein -- now we have this radical sunni insurgency. he's saying none of the destabilizing effects of 2003 account for this. he's saying it's the uprising in 2011 is what we can point the finger at. what do you make of that argument? >> well, i think there's some truth in that argument in that the proximate cause of this is that all of these insurgents have been trained in the syrian conflict. but i think if you look at it, you'll find that the u.s. invasion of iraq actually served as a focal point which built up the resistance in iraq. it drew in terrorists and wannabe terrorists from all over the world. they practiced, they worked against the united states, they

sparked the sunni/shia conflict that emerged there. so i think it's more like a 70-30. 70% of it back on what happened in iraq 2003, 2007, 2008, and then 30% on what's happening now. >> let's talk about what's happening now and where this is going from the standpoint of the u.s. military. we have reports of the uss george h.w. bush being sent to the persian gulf. we have the president weighing all of his options right now. we have john kerry saying yesterday apparently that the u.s. will stand with the iraqi government. when you look at everything that's happening right now, you've been in situations sort of similar to this before. when you look at what's happening right now, the signals that are being sent, what do you think the likelihood is of the u.s. intervening militarily in some way? >> i'd say it's a 50-50 right now. but i think it's important to understand what the united states has tried to do under president obama is extraordinarily difficult, to

pull back from an intervention. when we did it in vietnam, it was extremely difficult and painful and it was something we lived with for 20 years, really until the gulf war. but when we are trying to do this and also handle the problems going on, you just can't underestimate how difficult this is psychologically, politically, diplomatically and militarily. and so it's an extraordinary time. now, what's happening today, as we're going through these recalculations, is that you're seeing nations in the region like iran and iraq recalculating. they're saying, hmm, maybe the united states does need to be here. we need american power. so in a way this is an opportunity for the united states to reinsert itself on the right side in this conflict. we cannot permit -- we should not permit something like isis to control a large section of territory in the middle east on a permanent basis. they are terrorists.

>> so you favor some sort of intervention here. i guess that's the question. i mean the case made for -- is it air strikes that you favor, first of all? because there's the issue of everybody is saying no boots on the ground. i assume you're talking about air strikes? >> well, i think that what's happening right now is that iran is intervening, the iraqis are getting their house in order, those in kurd stan has moved forward so i think isis will meet its own end. it may hold on to a small territory, small piece of territory in iraq. it's to the united states' advantage right now to come in, to go to malaciki, to say you'r going to have to restructure your government. you're going to have to have a different outlook on life. you can't take a major population like the sunnis and not have them represented. you've got to bring the country together. on that condition then and a condition of your at least western oorientation, then we,

the united states, will support you. this is the moment for that kind of intervention. and then what we do militarily, that's a matter of some skillful assessment by general dempsey and the joint chiefs of staff. >> you talk about the reconciliation, though, basically saying to maliki, you've got to reach out to the sunnis and include them as they were in the final years of the u.s. presence in iraq, it seemed that was the trajectory. but i look back at the last decade or so and wonder is that possible in iraq? when you're talking about these friction that goes back, you know, hundreds of years between these different groups, tribal friction that takes place, and you're saying, well, they're all supposed to respect that this is -- they live in iraq, the country of iraq, and the country of iraq was created basically a century ago in the wake of world war i. it's almost artificial in that way. when you look how deep this is between the sides can they ever really co-exist in a central government or are we trying to

put things together here that can't stay together? >> well, they may not stay together. nothing stays together permanently maybe in human affairs. nations change, boarders change, attitudes change. but the simple answer is, yes, maliki can do more. he can bring the leaders together. instead of intensifying the sectarian conflict, which is attempting to sweep into the region, he can dampen is down. that is the role of iraq. iraq is a state. it was put together. it has sunni and shia and kurds in it. and it could play a very constructive role in the region by working more harmoniously. it's a question of whether the fault lines are emphasized or the unifying factors are emphasized. >> you -- obviously you have such an impressive military background, i just wonder when you think of the soldiers, when you think of the families, when you think of the lives that have been lost and the cost that individuals have paid on the united states' side for the last ten plus years in iraq and you

look at the cost the entire country has paid and look at what the conditions were like in iraq before the invasion in 2003 and look at what's playing out right now, what would you say to the family of a fallen soldier in iraq? what was it for? what have we gotten now that wasn't in place before? is it better in some meaningful way? >> i'm not sure that you weigh it that way. i think what you say is we love your children, your son, your daughter, their sacrifice. it was for the united states of america. we honor you and your family and their sacrifice. but i think when you go up and tout the costs and benefits, you're on shaky ground in any conflict. you do what's supposed to be done. this nation was 60%, 70% in favor of the war in iraq. the news media was pushing it. lots of the political leaders were pushing it. 55% of the american public believed that saddam hussein was

behind 9/11. governmental leaders threatened mushroom clouds over american cities if we didn't do something. so when you look at the hype at the time, you can hardly go back to the families and say you shouldn't have allowed your son or daughter to enlist, that was a mistake. it wasn't a mistake. they believed in this country. they trusted the leadership of this country to do the right thing. it turns out in retrospect it wasn't the right thing. some of us said that at the time. but that's the democratic process. and we love this country, we believe in the system we have in the united states of america, and those men and women who fought and died and were injured, they believed in that system too. they served it and protected it and we honor them. >> retired general wesley clark, really appreciate the time this morning. thank you, sir, for joining us. just when the republican party figured out how to keep its incumbent members from being primaried from out of the office, eric cantor was defeated

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in show business when a movie becomes a surprise smash hit at the box office, everybody starts asking, so when's the sequel? in politics, when an entrenched well known and well funded national leader suffers a shocking loss in a primary, everybody starts asking, so who's the next one to go? remember, eric cantor's loss to tea party challenger david brat in the republican primary on tuesday was merely the latest in a series of tea party upsets that have ended the careers of several major republicans since 2010. think of dick luger, bob bennett and others. talk for much of the spring was

the tea party fever was dying down in republican primaries, that the establishment had cracked the code and figured out how to keep these upsets from happening again. but with cantor going down, it's now clear the danger for republican incumbents in primaries hasn't yet lifted. in the 2014 primary season isn't over yet. so who might be next? we know that thad cochran, the six-term republican from mississippi tops the list of possible next tea party victims. he's fighting for his political life in a runoff against state senator chris mcdaniel coming up on june 24th. but we've known cochran is in trouble for a while now. what about the ones like cantor, where it sneaks up on everyone? here there are two republicans who might be sweating a little bit after what happened this week in virginia. one of them is lamar alexander. he is the second-term republican from tennessee, a form presidential contender. alexander has a reputation for being somewhat pragmatic and has been in politics for decades. these are characteristics that he has in common with a lot of the tea party's victims these

last few years. he also represents a southern state where the electorate is particularly conservative and the tea party is particularly strong. alexander is being challenged in a gop primary by state representative joe carr, who after cantor lost this week blasted out a fund-raising e-mail with the message lamar, you're next. carr was on cnbc this week and elaborated on that. >> i think senator alexander has got a similar problem that leader cantor had in that he's out of touch with his republican base in tennessee. >> there's no recent reliable polling on this race. alexander's campaign did put out an internal poll earlier this year claiming the senator leads carr 62-17% but eric cantor's campaign claimed they were up by 34 points and you saw what happened there this week. the tennessee primary is on august 7th. lamar alexander's opponent says he should be very worried. is that right? we're going to ask michael collins, the washington correspondent with the knoxville new sentinel.

michael, we're looking everywhere after what happened to eric cantor, if that could sneak up and happen with nobody knowing it was coming, where else could it happen? so it's a little natural to look at lamar alexander, just given his longevity in politics, he's been a governor of tennessee, somebody now going for another six years in the senate, someone who's been around for a while, has a reputation for being a bit pragmatic. is there anything for him to worry about in this primary coming up in august? >> well, his opponent, joe carr, certainly would like for us to think that. but, you know, there are a lot of differences. several key differences between senator alexander and eric cantor. the biggest one, i think, is that senator alexander has been around a long time. he is not going to make the same kind of mistakes, the same kind of fatal mistakes that eric cantor made. what i'm thinking of is eric cantor spent a lot of time going across the country, raising money for other candidates, raising money for what everybody

assumed was going to be his own campaign for speaker of the house. senator alexander is not going to have that distraction. he was a member of -- senator alexander was a member of senate republican leadership. he was the third ranking republican. he was the chairman of the senate republican conference. he gave that seat up about three years ago because he said he wanted to concentrate on legislation. he wanted to be able to get things done. so he's not going to have that distraction. he's spending quite a bit of time in the state. he has ramped up his appearances in tennessee recently. he's not been really doing the traditional campaign kind of events that you see candidates do. he's done some of those. new jersey governor chris christie was in -- at an event for him in the memphis area a few weeks ago, and so he's done some of those things. but what he has been doing mostly is going to tennessee and doing the kinds of things that senators do. he's been attending various

events, fund-raising -- campaign-style events and his campaign staff seems to think that as long as he is doing the kinds of things that voters sent him to washington to do, then they will send him back to washington for a third term. >> michael collins says lamar alexander may be well positioned to avoid being the next candidate. the other republican -- thank you for joining us us, by the way. the other republican that might be a little nervous right now is pat roberts from kansas. like alexander he has a reputation for being a little more pragmatic. he's also been in washington for a long time. 18 years in the senate and 16 in the house before that, a total of 34 years. he also came under fire earlier this year when "the new york times" reported that what he lists as his home address in kansas is actually a house on a golf course that's owned by two of his donors. roberts, according to that report, pays them $300 a month and sleeps in the house, quote, occasionally. there's a long tradition of

intra party warfare within the kansas gop and roberts is being challenged by tea party candidate milton wolf. he's a radiologist who is also, believe it or not, barack obama's second cousin once removed. kansas primary is august 5th. could pat roberts be the next candidate. we're joined by dave helling, a political reporter with "the kansas city star." take it away. the kansas republican party always seems to be fighting with each other. could this sneak up and surprise them? >> you're right, pat roberts is a veteran of washington. first went there in 1980 as a congressman. you know, we're all trying to figure out a little bit what actually happened in virginia to determine whether it is exportable to states like kansas. and we're not completely sure of that yet. i think every political reporter in america is going back to look at his or her notes to determine, you know, what have we missed, what are we not seeing. having said that, it does not appear, as is the case in

tennessee, it does not appear at this moment that pat roberts is in serious trouble. there is a path for milton wolf, and it's a path very much like you saw in virginia where he gets sort of a crusade mentality going and the tea party really rises up to oppose pat roberts, but you don't see that yet for a couple of reasons. first, pat roberts has gone hard right. he could make any tea partier blush in terms of his positions on issues. he voted against the farm bill, he voted against a spending bill in kansas, he called on kathleen sebelius to resign when the obamacare computer problems cropped up. so he's been very aggressive moving to the right, not giving milton wolf on that side. then he's locked up virtually every endorsement in the state. the governor, sam brownback, tim huelscamp, kris koback. so for those two reasons he's

still the favorite. but there is a path for the tea party candidate. >> very quickly, that golf course story, it just reminds me, it seems like the kind of thing, remember with luger in indiana in 2012. >> right. >> he's never really in the state anymore. he's not one of us anymore. it seems like the kind of story that can get that going a little bit. has that had any effect? >> some. and it got eric cantor, as you know, in virginia. you know, kansans are a bit am bif lent. nobody thought bob dole really lived in kansas either for 20, 25 years. so that in isolation might not make a difference. but, but if you can get the idea going that somehow he's been out of touch not just in terms of where he lives but what he's done, then milton wolf has a chance. the other thing milton wolf needs is some money and some energy. one of the things eric cantor had in virginia was laura ingram and talk radio. you don't really get a sense of that here. what we'll be watching is thad cochran's race in mississippi. if the tea party candidate can

win there and beat cochran, who has some similarities with roberts, then i do think national attention will turn to kansas. some money mietd coght come in, more national tea party energy and that would help milton wolf as we head to the kansas primary. >> thanks for getting up this morning. the candidate whose defeat handed ted kennedy's seat to scott brown, that candidate is on the verge of a comeback. maybe until yesterday. it's a big breaking news story. we'll have all the details, next. ♪ ♪ yeah ♪ don't stop now, come on mony ♪ come on, yeah ♪ i say yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ 'cause you make me feel ♪ like a pony ♪ so good ♪ like a pony ♪ so good ♪ like a pony [ male announcer ] the sentra with bose audio and nissanconnect technology. spread your joy. nissan. innovation that excites.

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frank declared that, quote, if scott brown wins, it will kill the health bill. actually that's just about what everybody thought back then. what made democrats really mad is that they believed coakley had blown it that, she had squandered what should have been an easy win with some mortal self-inflicted wounds, like the vacation she took just three weeks before election day. when she came back from that vacation and answered a question about whether she was taking the race for granted by saying, quote, as opposed to standing outside fenway park in the cold shaking hands? she had this to say about the support scott brown was getting from curt schilling, a local hero for leading the red sox past the hated yankees in 86 years. >> scott brown is curt schilling, okay? >> another yankee fan. >> schilling? >> yes. >> curt schilling a yankee fan? >> no. >> the red sox great pitcher of the bloody sock? >> well, he's not there anymore. >> on election night coakley lost to brown by five points.

republicans rejoiced and democrats mourned. for most people, that was probably the last they heard from martha coakley, now more than four years ago. so most people outside massachusetts don't know what happened next. what happened when martha coakley went on with her life, because she was still attorney general of massachusetts. so she went back to that job. she got re-elected in 2010. she rebuilt her image in massachusetts and within a few years she had the highest approval rating of any elected official in the state. and then the state's governor, duval patrick, announced he wouldn't run for a third term this year and so coakley threw her hat in the ring. look at this, she's way ahead of the democratic field and also ahead of the presumptive challenger charlie baker. then came yesterday. this was the first test of whether her party is ready to take a chance on her once again. her strategy was to confront all of those ugly memories head on. >> the 2010 senate election was

very painful for a lot of people in this room. i understand how much of your heart and soul was in that race. mine too. i know how hard so many of you worked in that race, and i thank you for that. >> that was at the massachusetts state democratic convention in worcester yesterday. when all the votes were counted she was barely in second place, losing by double digits to steve grossman and just ahead of don berwick. there's going to be a primary because every candidate who got more than 15% with run in it but grossman is the officially endorsed candidate of the democratic party. coakley has been benefiting from name recognition and a sense of inevitability. now the story is that she's lost a big test. she's lost her party's endorsement and all those bad memories from 2010 are being

revived. before the convention grossman said that coakley if she lost would have to, quote, do a lot of soul searching about whether to stay in the race. well, she's staying in the race and, again, she's been well ahead in the polls and may well stay ahead. but this was big news in massachusetts yesterday. coakley's opponents got almost exactly what they wanted out of the convention while coakley is left to convince the world that we're not watching history repeat itself. so where does this race, does where martha coakley's bid for the ultimate redemption, where does it go from here? we're joined by the candidate who won that convention yesterday, steve grossman, the massachusetts state treasurer. he's now the democratic party's officially endorsed candidate for governor. mr. grossman, thanks for joining us this morning. nationally people remember martha coakley from 2010 and we're saying the threat to her is what these headlines might look like. let me put up a taste of what it looks like. this is "the boston herald." this was yesterday as it became clear she was going to be losing in this convention. coakley way ahead in the polls, could make history as the first

woman elected governor and the party is poised to reject her. really? in bold print there. you said before this convention if she doesn't win, she has some soul searching to do. she didn't win, you won by 12 points. do you think martha coakley should be thinking about getting out of this race? >> no, i don't think she should be thinking about getting out of the race, but i think she does have some soul searching to do. after all if you look at the history of massachusetts politics for governor, for michael dukakis, 1974, to duval patrick, 40 years, no democrat has been elected governor without a passionate army of activists behind them. i mean passion, energy, activism, organizing. you need that passion. she's got a passion gap and -- >> what is the soul searching she needs to do? what do you mean by soul searching? >> it means how do you connect with people? when you're the front runner and head by a lot in the polls mostly because of name recognition and you are not able to win a convention nomination, as a matter of fact when you're rejected by more than

three-quarters of the delegates in the hall, you begin to ask yourself the question, i think, what's wrong and why can't i connect with people? look, this race is going to come down to one simple very clear comparison. i'm the progressive job creator in the race who spent my life in business and as treasurer creating jobs. martha coakley is a career prosecutor. i'm going to give people a very clear choice between a job creator and prosecutor and we'll let the people decide that on september 9th. >> in her speech yesterday, she came right out and addressed the issue of 2010, of the race against scott brown, of how -- the effect that had on the psyche of democrats in massachusetts and nationally too. i have talked to people who were at this convention, democratic activists who say they still do have reservations about martha coakley as a general election candidate and they're saying that's why there's resistance to her at this convention that you're maybe not seeing in the polls. do you think it's fair when you look back at 2010 and look at all the factors that were in the air. we just played sort of the greatest hits reel when you talk about martha coakley and that

campaign, but do you look back at that and say, yes, she did blow that race? >> the buck stops with the candidate. when all the consultants give you the advice, you've got to go out and show people that you care about their lives, that you can create jobs. we have 237,000 people out of work in this state. 800,000 people on food stamps. you've got to be able to show people that you connect with them and with their deepest concerns. i think i'm able to do that. i think i've been able to do that during this campaign. i don't have the name recognition she has, but that's what the next three months are all about. but i'm on the road today, tomorrow and every day talking about jobs, talking about the economic future and i'm doing it based on a track record as a job creator in the private sector and a state treasurer who created jobs using that office. martha coakley will have to stand on her own two feet, but she's not a job creator. she's not somebody who's connected to the economy and to people's economic challenges and needs. that's a big problem for somebody who's going to try to make a connection. action and passion, we know that

phrase, action and passion is not something the coakley campaign had in 2010 and certainly not something the coakley campaign has in 2014. >> i just want to ask you because we're talking about this as steve grossman and martha coakley. there is a third candidate who qualified for the ballot and it was a bit of a surprise how well don berwick, who used to run the medicare and medicaid program. he nearly beat her for second place. i've heard from people he's pitched his message really at the progressive base of the democratic party and i've heard people say that steve grossman ought to be worried about don berwick because don berwick is catching fire with the grassroots. are you a little worried about how well don berwick did yesterday? >> i'm not worried about how this is going to play out. we have three people in the race. i'm the one person in this race who spent a lifetime creating jobs, good jobs and who has a progressive track record all my life. i think people have known me from all the way back at the beginning through my career in business and through my career in public service. so this is, i think, going to be

fundamentally -- it's going to come down to a race between me and martha coakley. don berwick will be in the race. he's a distinguished doctor, but this is about jobs and also about fiscal discipline and responsibility. who can run government? i've spent the last four years i think doing a pretty solid job run get treasury of this commonwealth and all of its component parts so fiscal responsibility. who is going to go out there and protect the taxpayer's dollar. jobs, fiscal responsibility, who's going to protect the taxpayer and who's going to create that energetic army of activists all over the state. i believe i can do it. i don't think martha coakley can. >> i want to point out we did invite martha coakley to be on the program, we'd welcome her as a guest any time. my thanks to steve grossman, democratic candidate for governor of massachusetts. you also got the arrival of a new grandson. so happy father's day to you. >> right in the middle of the convention at 3:19, little baby jack was born. i've got to tell you, it was a great day and the most memorable

part of the day is not the winning of the convention, although i'm proud of it, it's having that little healthy grand baby arriving yesterday at 3:19. >> i'm sure it's a day you'll remember now forever so congratulations on that. every four years like clockwork many americans begin to feel the urge to call soccer football. i'm not one of them, i always call it soccer. then they pretend to understand how the offside rule actually works. these are just some of the symptoms of world cup fever and i have become a victim of it. luckily former members of the u.s. national team are here to talk me through it. that's next.

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desk just in time to see holland's robin van persie score one of the most ridiculous goals i've ever seen. the netherlands went on to beat spain in that game. that's the team that beat them in the world cup championship game four years ago. the score was 5-1 for the netherlands. a moment every american fan is waiting for comes tomorrow. that's when the u.s. team will take the field for its first game against ghana, the same team that knocked them out four years ago in south africa. every game, of course, is crucial in the world cup, but this one is especially big for the americans who have been thrown into what's being called the group of death. after ghana they'll be portugal and then germany, two of the best teams in the world. so getting off to a good start tomorrow is hugely important. four years ago the u.s. team produced a moment that fans will remember for the rest of their lives. desperately needing a win over algeria to advance out of the opening round, the game tied, the clock ticking past 90

minutes, the referee ready to blow the whistle any second to end the game, to end the american dream and out of nowhere, a breakaway, a shot, a rebound and a goal of the one of the biggest goals in american soccer history by landon donovan. for americans that thrilling moment of ecstacy was just a small taste of what other countries have been experiencing for decades. soccer is the world sport and we're still playing catch-up but we are starting to get there. i'm hardly the only american who gets world cup fever this time every four years and that's exactly how fifa, the global organization that runs international soccer, wants you to feel. your attention, your enthusiasm, your dollars all captured by a big splashy and exciting event. the brazilians were probably feeling that excitement seven years ago when it was announced brazil would be hosting the event this year in 2014. the country's minister of sports expressing enthusiasm at the conclusion of the last world cup about the potential boone it would be for brazil adding that the world will be surprised by the country it will be discovering in 2014.

that was probably true but a lot happened in the seven years it took brazil to get ready for the world cup. stadiums built well behind schedule, construction workers killed in the pressured rush to catch up. massive protests over the transportation hikes to pay for all of it. and workers strikes in the days immediately before the games. but despite all that, here we are again. i'll be watching it 5:30 tomorrow and pulling for the u.s. and a lot of you probably will too. so where does all this enthusiasm come from? will it last? does the u.s. even have a shot of pulling off major upsets in basically all of its games. joining me now is bruce murray, a member of the 1990 world cup team, george vessie is a long-time sports writer, one of the first to cover the sport of soccer, now a contributing columnist with "the new york times" and author of "eight world cups." in washington, a former goalkeeper for the u.s. national team, win are of the world cup championship in 1999, the two-time olympic gold medal.

welcome to you as well. george, let me just start with you as somebody who's covered a lot of these world cups and you probably get into this even more than i do every four years. but is part of the fun for an american watching the world cup and watch get u.s. in the world cup, is part of the fun that this is a sport that we're not that good at and we're the underdog and it's a real challenge to win these games? when i think of the olympics and the dream team and the basketball team, they win by 60 or 70 points and it's kind of boring to watch. every game for the united states is this is amazing if we can win this. is that part of it? >> but every soccer game is like that around the world. it's like that for italy. so i don't think the united states wants to be an underdog. i don't think that's the plan at all. the plan is for when they can win everything 4-0 in their region and 2-0 in the world cup. >> that would be kind of boring. >> you'll live to see that. >> talk about that, bruce, the evolution. so 1990 when you guys made the world cup, it was in italy that year, the first time in 40 years the united states even qualified

for this thing. it was almost sort of a miracle they qualified. you went 0-3 but just getting there was a huge accomplishment. when you look back at the experience for the u.s. and what it was like for this country and sort of as fans in this country in 1990 and you look at what's playing out right now, what kind of changes have you seen in the last quarter century? >> steve, it's incredible the amount of interest in the sport and the way it's grown in the last 20 years is just absolutely incredible. the united states now can put a competitive product on the field and we can win. we have a puncher's chance to be in every game in this world cup. i'm very impressed with this u.s. team. they're set up in attack mode. we have outside backs going forward. jurgen klinsmann has set this up to put pressure on the other teams. >> i've got to ask you as part of that pressure that he's putting on the other teams saying that the u.s. -- this was a quote that got a little attention. this was the coach of the u.s. team. we cannot win this world cup because we are not at that level yet. for us we have to play the game of our lives seven times to win the tournament. then he leans back and shrugs

and says realistically it is not possible. i know he's german and maybe there's a different way to talk about games ahead of time but an american coach talking that way, i think american fans say what is he doing? >> i think he's trying note vat the team and that's his way of doing it. he's made a couple of controversial decisions in terms of eddie johnson being left off the 30-man roster. landon donovan, arguably the best player to ever play this game for the united states is sitting on the couch. so he better get it right at the world cup -- >> there's a lot of second guessing if that doesn't happen. >> as i said, 1999, think about soccer in the last generation or so in the united states and just the rapid growth of it. one of the signature moments is the u.s. winning that game in front of a full rose bowl in 1999. president clinton is there, televised on national television. it strikes me when i think of that, in a lot of major sports there's a real gap, i think, in fan interest between maybe the men's game and women's game. it seems that gap is a lot narrower in soccer than in any other sport.

>> i would absolutely agree with you, steve. the one thing i will say about our men's team this year, after watching the first couple of games of this world cup, i have more faith faith than ever in o men's team being able to possibly get out of that group of death. with the games like, for example, netherlands beating spain which you mentioned yesterday, costa rica won and also, ivory coast came back to win. if any world cup is a possible world cup breakthrough for them, it's this one. i would encourage everyone to be watching because you might see something amazing. >> george, you are nodding at that. >> there have been amazing results so far today. these people are modest. bruce isn't going to tell you that he scored a goal that almost was part of a goal against italy in 1990 and brianna won't brag but she saved an awful lot of goals in 1999. i was there to watch. these are two terrific world cup athletes under pressure. >> the state of soccer as a major sport in the country right now, when i grew up i think if

you had to rank them, baseball was probably number one, football, basketball, hockey, and then soccer was somewhere after that. i think football might now be number one. it's kind of grown that way. where does soccer stack up? has it caught up to hockey yet? can we call it a major sport? >> i think it has. as a matter of fact, all these guys that played soccer in high school now that have young children, these are the guys that are supporting the united states, supporting the league. soccer has grown exponentially and i believe it's only a matter of time before soccer does leapfrog hockey. >> well, the ball is easier to see than the puck. i'm watching the nhl playoffs and they score? i don't know. in soccer you always know. so maybe just give us, if you were down there in brazil right now, the team's about to take the field tomorrow, what do you tell the americans? they beat ghana four years ago. what's the pep talk? >> i would definitely say the pep talk is go out there, be creative, be yourselves and enjoy the moment. because like i said, this world cup seems to be the world cup of upsets and if anyone else can have an upset, then why can't

the usa. so now if you had asked me a week ago what i thought the u.s.'s chances were, i would have said all the sun and the moon has to align in order for the u.s. to get out of the group. but after seeing the last few games, i think they have as much chance as anyone of getting out of that group of death. >> it's going to be really fun to watch. it is the group of death but that's what makes it fun, i think. every game. i want to thank george, bruce and brianna. all stations come over to mission a for a final go. this is for real this time. step seven point two one two. verify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one.

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>> don't eat it now because you have to talk. what do we tell people at home? here's the thing i was thinking. we're doing a segment a few minutes ago about the massachusetts governor's race. some people are saying why are they talking about that. i'm from massachusetts, i grew up, we grew up outside lowell and the first thing that really got me interested in politics was the massachusetts governor's race in 1990. in my school, i played the role of john silver, one of the candidates for governor that year. he lost. that was sort of the start of my, you know, obsession with politics. >> i remember that obsession, steve. i remember that incident but also a couple of other things. if we remember the bob hart graves write-in campaign. but the thing i remember most back then is how you got so taken with politics with the book "grassroots" about the new hampshire primary. since we lived in grotton, which was right by the border, every weekend you would drag me out to

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