undocumented minors moving across the border begins to impact more states but a solution is not yet in sight. and i'll speak to seattle mayor ed murray on how his city game the first to raise the minimum wage to $15. first, president obama is en route to washington at this hour. with policy and political e leelts awaiting a decision on thousand administration plans to address the growing violence in iraq. today another city fell in the fwhort the reports that the sunni-led group also captured a senior military official intel afar. this comes a day after the islamic state of iraq and isis claimed that it executed about 1,700 captured iraqi soldiers in tikrit. nbc news has not awe thent kalted those numbers, but baghdad's government tells nbc it does believe that some kind of massacre did take place. if the claim is true it would be one of the most brutal single episodes in what has largely been a sectarian struggle between sunni and shia muslims

in iraq. so far in response the u.s. has sent two ships to the region, an aircraft carrier and more recently an amphibious ship that carries osprey combat helicopters. the situation isn't just a concern for the united states but also for shia in iran. when asked if cooperation is possible, secretary of state john kerry had only this to say. >> will you reach out to iran? and how can that country be helpful? or is that like entering into a hornet's nest because that will enflame the sunnis? >> we're open to discussions if there's something construct they've can be contributed by iran. >> joining me now to discuss the options on and off the table is former u.s. ambassador to morocco and current middle east adviser to counterextremism mark ginsburg. ambassador ginsburg, i think one of the great ironies of what we did by going into iraq is we did make it a closer ally of iran, the two countries formerly being enemies when iraq was sunni led.

what is the possibility that we could wind up essentially on the same side of this isis issue with iran including in terms of trying to push back isis on the ground? >> it's very possible indeed that may hatch. secretary kerry intimated that. it's not the first time the united states and iran have cooperated militarily, particularly in afghanistan. that doesn't mean we'll accommodation with iran over the broader issue involving syria and the future of iraq because we are on competing sides there. this administration, ever sincere ya's civil war began and ever since we withdrew from iraq, has made at every juncture the wrong decision and the president has been doubled down and leading from behind ever since. now we're in the mess we're in and now he's going to have to make some tough decisions which he ordinarily would not have had to make if he had made the correct decision that secretary

clinton had urged on him in syria several years ago. >> you're saying essentially had we bombed syria we wouldn't be in this situation in iraq right now? >> no, no, not bombing syria. had we, in effect, provided military assistance to the secular moderate forces when the entire national security apparatus of the united states urged the president of the united states to do that and he rejected their advice as if he knew better than the rest of his national security team. >> ambassador ginsburg, who are the moderate forces in syria? i think -- hold on a second. one of the issues is the lack of clarity about who's who. we had john mccape taking a picture with a group that was supposed to be good guys who turned out to be the bad guys and sorting out who's who in syria is not exactly clear. >> you know, joy, it was something that could have been done but is no longer possible several years ago. so we're reaping the whirlwind of a bad policy that the administration essentially tumbled into ever since the

syrian civil war began. >> i'm curious as to how you're locating this crisis in iraq in the syrian civil war when, in fact, we have actually had a situation where since the sunni awakening, which temporarily put a band-aid on these thousands of year-old rifts in a country that's never really been united between see ya and sunni, suddenly what happened this syria, that's not xa exacerbated these tensions. these tensions existed. whaubt the iraqi government? the government of prime minister maliki who was supposed to use that opportunity with sunni awakening for aproeshment but continued to go after sunnis and continued to alienate people in his own country is this. >> i couldn't agree with you there. the crisis of isis, the terrorist al qaeda organization, began in syria. the guy who leads this is someone who we thought is in the surge, al baghdad di, but he went to syria, carved out territory to stage his comeback

into iraq and there's no doubt you're right, that prime minister maliki has basically been becoming a shiite dictator. he has purged sunnis out of the military, purged reasonable sunnis out of the government. he has in effect been a feckless prime minister ever since his re-election, and here, too, the administration did not pressure him when he visited the united states in november, in effect, complimented, gave him a pat on the back when he deserved a kick in the ear rear end for the way he was managing the sunni/shiite divide in iraq. >> i'm curious how washington is responsible for the bad management of iraq when iraq is a sovereign country. but i do want to ask you about some of our other gulf allies, and i'll say allies a lit until scare quotes because we have reported in the daily beast and foreign policy magazine that there is some funding for these sunni extreme ilszs coming from the gulf. "the extremist group that is threatening the existence of the iraqi state was built and grown for years with the help of elite

donors from american supposed allies in the persian gulf region. there the threat of iran, assad, and sunni-shiite sectarian war trumps the goal of stability in the region." how much blame can be placed in the gulf states for if not actively doing so but at least allowing and sanctioning the funding of these sunni militants because they could be a bulwark against iran in theory? >> joy, you hit the nail on the head. the country of qatar, which is supposedly an ally of the united states, and i say supposedly given the circumstances, has been along with saudi clerics and government support in qatar been a funnel for military assistance and economic assistance for the more radical elements in syria as well as to the sunni militants in iraq. so this mess, a pandora's box spread throughout the mideast, can be attributed and a finger pointed at qatar for the mischief it's played in iraq.

>> i'm curious, then, if we have this multipronged sort of monster we invaded a country that was sunni led and turned it into a good friend of iran because it is now shia led, shiite dictatorship. you have this mess in the region that goes back thousands of years between sunni and shia. what in your view could washington do about that? the. >> the only thing we can do, joy, is basically drain the swamp of al qaeda in northern iraq. we have to destroy isis. it's a threat to jordan, our allies in israel and lebanon and ultimately remember what al baghdadi said when he was released by the united states. he said to the united states commander who released him, "ly see you in new york. "those words are something i haven't forgotten when i remembered hearing about it. >> let's thank ambassador mark ginsburg. appreciate you being here. >> sure, joy. >> ayman mohyeldin is following

developments on the ground. i'm not sure if you could hear the ambassador. he was essentially blaming the united states policy in syria for what is happening in iraq right now. when you talk to people on the ground, do they believe that this problem began in washington? >> reporter: yes, certainly, and not only on the ground in terms of local residents and local populations but also from the perspective of a lot of gulf arab differents, some of the u.s. closest allies have been among its sharpest critics. they say the united states decisive inaction in syria was also a reason why groups like isis were able to grow more and more and become the power force that they are now in the region or at least in these two countries, iraq and syria. keep in mind, when the syrian revolution began, there was a moderate secular force. that was the free syrian army. there were moderate syrian rebels that wanted to fight against the regime with the u.s. backing. but the u.s. backing was so concerned some of these rebels

would get their hands on these weapons, may turn their loyalties elsewhere. and as a result these forces in the syrian revolution were completely decimated or for the most part decimated. that left the hard line elements including isis and other al qaeda groups to become more empowered and we are now seeing their transnational, they transcend both iraq and syria's borders. >> talk about what the threat on the ground in theory isis is at this point. do they pose a genuine threat when you're your sources on the ground? how much of a threat do they pose to baghdad right now? >> reporter: they don't have the ability to take and control baghdad. i don't think anyone is under the impression they have the ability to do that, but they certainly have the ability to create havoc, a sense of instability that could grip the country -- car bombs, assassinations, low-level intensity attacks that could cripple and destabilize the city but not necessarily bring it under it control like other parts of the country. >> last lay, ayman, you have

senator lindsey graham and others now saying essentially there's another 9/11 in the making and making it sound as if this group isis could project force not just inside of iraq but outside of iraq to the united states. does that sound realistic based on what you understand about that group? >> well, the will power is certainly there. i think the technical questions about whether or not they have the capability to strike the united states is also being debated among the intelligence community. we've seen several people over the course of last several years from this part of the world try to attack the united states in new and different ways. so certainly the threat threat is real. keep in mind a lot of these fighters have become battle hardened over the last couple years, fighting in iraq and syria. in addition, we've also seen the phenomena of foreign fighters coming this from the united states, from europe with american and european passports, learning this battlefield experience and taking it back to the united states possibly for attacks. we've already seen evidence of that in europe, not yet in the united states, but i can assure

you hearing from fbi officials and others they are monitoring those that are battling or fighting in the syrian war who may be holding american sit tenthship. >> ayman mohyeldin in iraq, thank you very much. appreciate it. and coming up, the familiar beat of the drums of war from the neocons who brought you the conflict in iraq. plus, a big economic experiment is about to happen in seattle that could impact the debate for raising the minimum wage across the nation. seattle mayor ed murray will join me. ♪

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this is more than just an obscure shia/sunni conflict. this is al qaeda, and al qaeda is not on the road to defeat. al qaeda is on the march. >> that was paul wolfowitz on sunday, a man sounding very much

like his 2003 self. apparently choosing to gloss over the sunni/shia schism in iraq and preferring to focus on labeling any violent terrorist group in iraq as al qaeda, even if the new group now threatening baghdad is not technically al qaeda. the pro-invision crowd has crept out of the woodwork attempting to rehabilitate their own record on iraq often by attacking president obama for not fixing the things they broke. even former british prime minister tony blair got in on the act this weekend. he wrote in his editorial the 2003 invasion has no bearing on events today. we'll discuss that in a minute. because there is one more attendee to this iraqi class reunion, al zawahiza abu musab . it was his presence in iraq that the bushes, never mind the intelligence, kept using to draw a link between saddam hussein and the 9/11 hijackers.

eli lake is the senior national security correspondent for "the daily beast." eli, we have now seen the return of the conflation of what's happening in iraq with 9/11. i didn't think it would be this quick for it to come back, but i want to play you what lindsey graham had to say on some of the sunday shows this weekend, drawing that parallel between 9/11 and what's happening in iraq. >> you think that we can have another -- >> i think it's inevitable. the seeds of 9/11 are being planted all over iraq and syria. you don't have to believe me. this is what they're telling you they're going to do. >> in your reporting, this time around, is this back to the future or is there some realistic link between what's happening in iraq right now and the possibility of terrorism on nick soil here in the u.s.? >> well, i mean, the director of the fbi has been warning about attacks on the u.s. and so many have many leaders of the intelligence community. i think you'd be hard pressed to

call them neoconservatives. they're out of power in terms of the u.s. government really since bush's first term ended then he cleaned house. in my view, i mean, i think that sort of focusing on what paul wolfowitz may say on some of the sunday shows is a way for progressives to avoid some of the hard questions about the policy of a democratic president right now on iraq. and, you know, this is obviously very different than it was in 2003. it's very complicated issue with no really satisfying policy options. so i don't necessarily know there is 100% right way to go, but i also think that, you know, at this point neoconservatives have very little to do with the actual policy debates that are going on and president obama right now is weighing, you know, exactly how much he wants to get reengaged in iraq as a terrorist group that used to be more associated with al qaeda and has now kind of become too radical for al qaeda, marches its way to baghdad. >> they have little to do with

the policy, and i agree on that, but they seem to have a lot to do in terms of the commentary, not only being booked on the sunday shows left and right and being asked for their expertise but then offering their solution. they seem to have a great deal to say about what ought to be done. we've even had paul bremer, he who signed the executive order that disbapded the iraqi army. i'm not saying the past is all we want to discuss but the past is relevant, right? disbanding the iraqi army remains relevant. i want to play what paul bremer had to say in an interchange with mark halpern this morning and get your take. >> only the americans can help the iraqis broker across these sectarian and ethnic lines. there is nobody else who can do it including -- we may regret that. excuse me. we may regret that but it's a fact, and facts have a nasty way of coming back and basically determining your options. >> eli, is it possible to set

aside the mistakes that got us to this point that go back beyond this administration in looking at what the solution is, or do we only need to look discreetly at what's happened since 2009? >> you should look at all of the history, including the history before 2003 when saddam hussein was allowed to remain in power under a vicious sanctions regime that was enforced and supported by a democratic administration and the republican administration before it. i think that paul bremer made a huge mistake in disbanding the iraqi military the way he did. almost every expert -- i've been in iraq three times for extended tours, journalists who have been there would say that did create an enormous problem. i also think it was a huge mistake that the obama administration never used any of its with nuri al maliki and rewarded him with f-16s, something of no use whatsoever

in terms of fighting terrorists, you know, for his military as he was consolidating power, disappearing, you know, his sunni rivals and basically ruling like a shia saddam. so there's a lot of blame to go around at this point, but i do -- i'm just noting, i just think it's a very easy thing to sort of say, okay, valk a mess, oh, remember the neocons. you know what i'm saying? so in that respect, i think that, yeah, they're in the commentary right now. how really relevant is it? no one is proposing any kind of invasion. i think that the whole country's against it. i would also say, you know, in 2003 there was great bipartisan support in congress for invading iraq. we were in a different place. we believed many different things about the capabilities of american power. and i'd say that the ten years or 11 years after that have been very humbling in that respect. >> yeah, indeed. i think also humbling when we look at the negotiation of a status of forces agreement -- >> absolutely. >> -- that everybody is now

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humanitarian crisis along the u.s. southern border, the white house has announced that vice president joe biden will hold high-level talks in guatemala this week. the talks will be tacked onto a previously scheduled trip to latin america where biden is scheduled to meet friday friday with leaders from guatemala, el salvador and hon dur raus. minors have been crossing into the u.s. from mexico. the message is this -- the recently arriving children are not eligible for the deferred deportation program or earned citizenship provisions in current immigration reform legislation. as one official put it, it's not worth subjecting children to a perilous journey when at the end of the day there is no light at the end of the tunnel. that's a blunt message that despite the sound of it is not aimed at u.s. domestic politics. instead, as greg sargent writes in today's "washington post," the administration is addressing a myth about our immigration policies that human smuggling

networks may be falsely propagating to recruit klines whose families pay large sums for the trim north. thousands of people are now risking their lives, possibly based on those claims, including children crossing the border on foot. or as this video from mission, texas, shows crossing the rio grand on jet skis to bypass border security check points. the stories of desperation and the images are continual. just last weekend a sorghum field in texas, border patrol agents caught four young men and teens from central america and found this young man who had been hiding in the mud after entering the country illegally. so what can the administration do? joining me now is telemundo network inkor jose vilas villar. his new show launches next month at 10:00 a.m. and vivian kor ta doe is editor in chief of the wise latina club. jose, i want to start with you because this crisis, and that's the only way to describe it, is now defusing more across the country because now you do have children being sent outside of

where they are in texas, where they're crossing. this is from "the miami herald." about three months ago the office of refugee resettlement began increasing the number of beds in miami shelter, almost tripling the number of children who need legal assistance. tell me a little bit, jose, about what kind of a strain this is potentially placing on other states who have to adjust to having to take care of these unaccompanied minors. >> joy, huge strains on all of the states. and i do think that most of the states will be impacted one way or another no the near future because i don't see this slowing down any stooim in the near future. i'm so glad as always you always look underneath the surface of the headlines to talk about the reasons why things are happening. these images of kids being bussed by american authorities away from the mccallum, mission, texas, area into other detention

centers in other states are going to be used in central america by those same forces that have been propagating this lie that you should come now because if you do you're guaranteed you'll be allowed to stay, if you come as an unaccompanied minor, or if you're a parent with a small child. so now the images are going to be beamed back to central america are, look, they're being moved from where they crossed the border into other parts of the united states. the problem is with very little information, these drug cartels, mafia organizations are able to propagate false rumors, and the need is very, very intense in those three central american countries to do something about the future of people's kids. and you know what, you don't need vice president biden to go to guatemala to tell the guatemalan mother it's dangerous to send your kids through mexico into the united states. they're very aware of those dangers, but for many people that danger is a less danger

than staying in a country where violence is the only future they see for their children. >> yeah, absolutely. viviano, i think that is the thing that is so galling. and it is good to see vice president biden addressing those governments but to jose's point, this isn't something you need to tell these moms. what should the u.s. be saying to these governments about safeguarding their own populations? because obviously there's a crisis. people don't just pick up and second their children thousands of miles away from them on their own. people do it in response to a crisis. so is there much being done to address the actual crisis in these countries of origin of these young people? >> thanks for saying that, joy. the fact is nobody leaves their country, everything they know just because they want to free load off the u.s. taxpayer. this is the deal. when president biden meets with helds of state of guatemala,

honduras, and el salvador, he sends a clear message that foreign aid is going to start demanding accountability for these countries on two points, one is going to be an strengthening the judiciary, second is going to be on stamping out government corruption where you see that some of these horrible gangs that are -- that have too close connections with government officials, that is going to be disinfected by the disinfecting properties of sunlight. and then the third thing that's going to also be really important is to turn the look inward and to look at how it is that our drug policy and the drug wars fueled by u.s. consumption, how is it that that is going to be addressed by the u.s. and also the traffic southbound of u.s. guns. >> yeah, and, you know, jose, congressman of texas toured this facility, went down to mccallum, texas. you've been in that region a lot. he essentially said we cannot force our way out of this. this is not something we can do.

the actual border patrol officials communicated that to him. there's no force mechanism that stops this. there was something you said, jose, i want to get back to, that when picking up these kids, especially the little kids, and ask them what are your parents' names, they'll say papi or mami, like they don't even necessarily know the full name of their parents. what is being dope to reunite these kids with a loving adult? >> once that link between a parent and child is broken and that child spends weeks maybe going from his country of origin through mexico and into the border of the united states, crossing in 100-plus-degree fahrenheit weather, then they're put into a detention center with other kids and they're 4 and 5 years old, then you're going to ask them what's your address, what are your gps coordinates of your home, how do we get you back to your parents, where are your friends in the united states and what are their addresses and zip codes? do you think a 4-year-old child

is going to know that after he's gone through what he has just gone through? much less, you know, fearing for the future. i mean, these are children that many times they're 4 years old. yesterday on our sunday morning telemundo network show, the council of guatemala in the rio grande valley said that he's seen kids from guatemala as young as 9 months old brought here on their own by coyotes. how do you get a 9-year-old back to family in guatemala or family here in the united states? it's a problem. hhs is going to have to deal with this. we as society are not going to just wish it away. it's not going go away. and you know what, joy, it continues. what my colleague said about the underlying reasons why this is happening, i think it's high time we start dealing with it. immigration reform, if the senate had passed -- if the house had passed the bill that almost a year ago was passed by the senate, there would be tens of billions of dollars additionally on the border that

deals with this issue. now we don't have anything. >> not only on the border, but i think it's a smart point, also dealing with aid and forcing these countries to start to deal with their own internal issues. isn't it time that we get beyond this roam ke debate about immigration reform? because these kids are here. some won't be able to be reunited with an adult. they're here, we need to deal with it. do you see any chance that this crisis finally gets washington to start getting real about reform? >> no. simply put, no, and that has to do with the fact there are all of these things that are defying logic, talking act the logic of not liberal bastions here like the u.s. chamber of commerce or evangelical christians who have come out in support of immigration reform. these are extremist elements of the republican party that are keeping this down. if anything, what this humanitarian crisis that is involving children should do is

strengthen our resolve as a country to have some kind of resolution when it comes to immigration because the situation is only going to get worse. and, joy, i'm afraid we'll start to see a death toll that is going to start to grow precisely because of what jose said, crossing the rio grande valley is dangerous, and no family member would do this unless they're absolutely pushed to the brink. >> absolutely desperate. as a parent, this is absolutely outrageous. viviano hurtado, i hope you'll come back. jose diaz-balart, please come back and continue your great reporting on this. let's get an update on the kidnapping of three israeli teenagers in the west bank. president mahmoud abbas has joined john kerry and went. minetten ya hue in condemning the abductions. the teenagers ranging in age from 16 to 19 have not been seen since last thursday night.

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$7.25 an hour. that's the federal minimum wage that millions of american workers live on to. president obama and democrats in congress have pushed to change that with the argument being giving minimum wage earners more income would give 28 million workers in all in all types of households increased spending power, an argument the u.s. department of labor has tried to make directly to businesses in videos like this one detailing the sacrifice low-income workers are often forced to make. >> half my money goes to rent and i'm diabetic so the next big chunk of my money goes to

medicine. then there's food and transportation. and then i have nothing left. that's it. >> it's incredibly hard. i live with my parents right now because otherwise my son and i would be homeless. >> now, despite those effort, the push to raise the minimum wage at the federal level is stalled. but from california to washington state, that is not the case. so far 22 states have increased their minimum wage above the federal level. and the city of seattle is taking the push to raise the wage even further. earlier this month seattle passed a law to increase the hourly minimum wage to $15 an hour and to phase it in over several years. once it's full fi phased in, seattle will have the highest minimum wage many the nation. but echoing many fiscal conservatives who oppose raising the federal minimum wage, a group of seattle franchise owners has filed a lawsuit to stop seattle's wage increase from going into effect. and their argument is a novel one. they claim that raising the minimum wage violates their

constitutional rights. joining me now to discuss this is mayor ed murray of seattle, who successfully led the effort to make $15 an hour the highest minimum wage in the country in his city. mayor, mr. mayor, thanks for being here. and i want to start by asking you how you actually managed to get this through. this was actually a unanimous city council vote. what argument did you make in pushing for this wage increase? >> well, you know, income ine equal is a major issue in this nation. it's destroying the middle class. we felt we needed to act if we wanted to start rebuilding the middle clas. away wanted to do 15 but we wanted to do it smart so we got business people together with labor, nonprofits, and we spent four months negotiating the proposal as you see it. it gets to 15, gets there in seven years, counts certain type of compensation over a period of years towards wages and i think it was that compromise the council was willing to vote unanimously to pass.

>> talk a bit about the opposition to what you're trying to do. you have put these business groups together and they've made a constitutional argument that has to do in part with if the businesses have to pay this minimum wage they won't be able to spend on other things such as advertising their business, growing their business and other things. what is sort of the argument against the wage and how are you guys fighting back against that in court? >> so, you know -- so business is not unanimous. there are businesses who are supportive. there are businesses who are neutral. there are businesses who are not happy. and those who actively oppose it. those who are most actively opposing it are franchise businesses. they say that they're just like the individual sandwich or restaurant. but they're not. the individual sandwich shop or restaurant doesn't have a corporation design their menu, supply their food, provide their training, and do their advertising. so we didn't believe that they should be treated the same as a franchise.

actually, this whole minimum wage effort started because folks walked out of fast-food restaurants. workers walked out of fast-food restaurants. so it's unforch nalt they're focused on going to court. i think those franchise owners should focus on the corporations and their business model because i think their business model needs to get a change, not our minimum wage proposal. >> so let's talk about some of the other arguments. there are three sort of main arguments that go to the question of whether businesses in seattle can compete with businesses out of state. the folks fighting the minimum wage say increasing the costs for franchise associated with out-of-state companies, the law discourages those company trs doing business in seattle, say it violates the commerce clause of the u.s. which reserves to congress the right of regulating interstate commerce. they said the second part is treating franchises different fri li from other companies the law vie lays the franchise indifranchisee's

right to the law. and it makes it difficult for out-of-state companies who own a franchise to maintain the quality of their trademarks. these novel arguments get to various parts of the constitution. how are you fighting those? >> they are novel legal arguments but i don't think they'll hold up in the end. a lot of franchise owners in this city, there are not many franchises in this city but nose who exist, they struggle, we understand that, we believe the problem is with the corporate model and we believe that we can win the legal arguments. the main thing to focus on is we've gone through 34 years of one economic theory, and it has failed. the middle class has eroded. what we're saying is let's grow the middle class from the middle out. and we're actually helping the smallest businesses by phasing them in over a much longer period of time. but you can't tell me that an individual restaurant owner in a small restaurant in the capitol hill neighborhood of seattle is the same as mcdonald's. they're simply not. i think that the courts will recognize that. >> all right. we'll leave it there.

seattle mayor ed murray, thanks for being here. >> thanks.

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if you're a miami heat fan still wondering why the universe hates you after the san antonio spurs crushed your team to win their fifth nba title, a forlorn and dejected group that includes my two sons, permit me to offer a more positive way to view the outcome as pointed out by the husband of one of my producers. despite a sports year that about halfway through has already been strained and troubling to say the at least from reports of bullying on the miami dolphins nfl franchise to the ongoing fight over the head injuries and allegations of chemically masking player injuries to keep them on the field to the seemingly endless hot mess that is the donald sterling nba saga, at its best, sports continues to offer one of society's most powerful vehicles for reflecting positive social change. it's long been at the leading edge of the fight for racial integration and more recently

professional sports has joined our long national march toward openness and equality for lesbians and gays. while sometimes ath laets are called upon to stand up not just to the race nism the world but also in the stands, we see tremendous examples of grace like danni alves' perfect response to a racist soccer fan. on saturday, another player who's endured ugly racist taunts on the soccer pitch, mario balotelli, the first african player to ever play for italy's national team, scored the winning goal to lift italy over england in a 2-1 world cup win. mean while, in the wee hours of saturday morning in the national hockey league, the goal that lifted the los angeles kings to a double-overtime win and a stanley cup was scored by alec martinez, one of a small but growing number of hispanic hockey players. now, none of these sports have completely conquered the ugly side of sports tribalism. but they do reflect the ability of athletics to create a

brotherhood or sisterhood across race, ethnicity, and national origin, which brings us back to san antonio, where the spurs are probably the most internationally diverse team in the nba with, in addition to tim duncan, one player from italy, one from argentina, two from france, one from brazil, one from canada, and two from australia, including patty mills, whose father is a straight islander and bhoz member is a member of australia's stolen generation, aboriginal children who were taken from their parents and forced to live with white families as part of a government and church-sanctioned policy lasting from the late 1800s until 1970. pi long side a policy of segregation not unlike the apartheid endured by black south avrns and african-americans a generation ago. patty mills is the first indigenous australian to play in the nba, and if that doesn't make you feel better about the the spurs victory, well, at least it might make you feel good about sports.

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of ap operation widely considered to be a mistake, we can make no mistake we are paying the price now. here's the conflict. the sunnis versus the shiites, a conflict older than any of us. and if the unraveling situation in syria wasn't bad enough, sunni militants from there have spilled into iraq, adding fuel to the fire of an already raging conflict. in mosul this morning, militants from isis, the islamic state of iraq and syria, get to know that name, captured the most senior ranking iraqi military official and dozens of other troops, overran the governor's building there in order to do it. over the weekend those same thugs claim to have killed 1,700 iraqi soldiers in tikrit, a claim that still has not been verified. the u.s. embassy in baghdad is being partially evacuated right now. staffers are being sent out, and about 100 or so marines are being sent in to hold down the fort. of course american citizens are being warned to stay away from the region. the best of nbc news finds themselves back in the