happened. regardless of how long it takes, we will find you. >> let's get right to pete williams in washington. what do we know about how this came about and what happens next? >> well, we were told it was a joint operation by u.s. military forces aided by the fbi to detain and arrest him in libya and take him outside the country. he's going to be questioned and then brought to the united states to face charges. it was a year ago, july of 2013, that charges were secretly filed in washington, accusing him of three charges, one of which carries the death penalty. and the u.s. could file more charges against him. we also know that others have

been indicted in the same courtroom. and this is the only arrest so far. the goal is to bring him to the united states to face charges. now we're being told that the questioning is being done by intelligence officials. a second team will then come in, and he will be given his miranda warnings, and then he will be questioned again. and among those that were killed were u.s. ambassadors, it would make sense to have the trial le here in the united states. >> thanks. and now, to the crisis in i rack. with sunni-led attacks getting

close to baghdad, the president has ordered troops to go to iraq. >> if you're looking for some political reconciliation through talks with iran, i don't think that's a good idea. >> it was iran that trained sunni militias. >> and that's the question of the day. is the u.s. really considering cooperating with iran try to stem this crisis in iraq? >> well, by some measure, they

do have to deal with iran. they have perhaps the strongest external force that drives the politics of this country. and the prime minister is definitely consulting with the iraqi governor. so, they'we've seen at the heig this country's civil war, the type of ethnic reprisal killings across this country. so, the concern among people and analysts and a lot of people watching these developments is that we could return to those days. already, there have been some reports of sunni individuals,

their bodies being found on the side of the road and elsewhere. so, there could be lots of fear if that starts happening across this country. >> and as we start to face down the militias, is there a sense of what risk there is to baghdad at this point? >> well, the military is trying to get into position, and go on the offensive in some of the areas where they still have control. and there's no doubt about it, they're able to regroup after last week's loss of territory.

but it's not clear if they're going to be able to launch an attack. >> thank you. and i'm joined by msnbc -- colonel jack, can you tell us what assets we actually have in place in iraq and what their mission in theory could be? >> well, we have assets in the persian gulf, and in the mediterranean. and we can fly in aircraft from nations nearby. so, we can have lots of different targets. but in terms of ground troops,

there isn't going to be a decision to send them in other than special forces. >> and there's the question of where the militants are and where to find them. >> well, you can see where they are on this map. but we're not going to drop precision weapons on these areas. unless we have actual intelligence from the ground, or we have iraqi groups in contact with large formations of isis soldiers, which they do not, it's going to be extremely difficult to target these things. we can get osama bin laden, and target large armiearmies, but i

hard to do something in between. >> and logically, you would think that we would turn to our friends in the region. but who are these people? how do we figure out, regionally, who are our allies? >> well, we don't know. and we should probably assume that we don't have any allies. and we are already talking with iran about how to get rid of isis. but that's going to proceed slowly. and we don't have any friends there, and what we're going to be doing is planning for the worst. and that's to extract american people, about 5,000 of them.

many of them elsewhere around the country. >> and we were talking about having to untangle the mess, we also have the shia iran, the sunni, and the kurds. >> well, it's pretty much the same thing as in '03. the kurds in the north, relatively speaking, in their own country. the shia down here. and in the middle, a little bit of everybody. that's what makes this so difficult. as this civil war expands, there

will be lots of dislocations and civilian deaths. and you're liable to wind up with a country that is three separate places that are going to be independently governed. with iran trying to influence the country, that's a problem. >> and we didn't even get to where the oil is. thank you for the information. coming up, the complicated history of sectarian violence in iraq. and the press briefing where we're getting information about the suspect. >> do you think this information can lead to the arrest of other

leaders? >> as i said, i think we made no secret of the fact that we're going to continue to pursue those who do americans harm, as we did in benghazi. it shouldn't surprise anybody that we're going to continue to pursue these guys. >> after this capture, have you taken any extra security measures? >> i would refer you to the state department. we do what we need to do to protect the people. so, part of that is not to talk about the security measures. so, i certainly wouldn't comment

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let me stop you there. you use the phrase obscure, i thought sunni-shiite is not obscure. it has been a fight for 1,000 years. >> well, it means nothing to americans. >> that was iraq war architect wall wolfowicz. doubling down on his comments that the sunni-shiite is too obscure for americans to understand. middle east analyst juan cole

summed this up perfectly. it's a set of historical indictments of the power brokers in the region. among them, the indictment of the george w. bush administration and the saddam hussein regime, and also the fall eed bar can you da colonialism of the time. scott anderson is with us -- i

want to read to you a little bit of you, the book you've written, a fascinating look at the origins of iraq. -- how and why did the west decide to create this thing called iraq? >> it was created at the end of the world war i by the british. they wanted to control the oil, so they joined these three groups together. i blew up almost immediately. within bhomonths of its creatio it went up in flames. and it was sort of a replay of

what went on with the bush administration in 2003. >> and is it frustrating to hear paul wolfe wits say this doesn't matter to americans? >> well, that was one of the reasons why we lost that war. because we didn't understand the nation of the conflict, the culture of the people. when the governor of baghdad invited the sunni tribes, he insulted them in two seconds. he didn't realize that the majority of shiites would take over and rule the same way. they've been fighting each other for centuries. we took off the lid, and the whole country exploded.

shiites ruled in a very sectarian way, the same way of the sunni government before. if we think back, he bombarded the shiited in the '80s, and went after iran. didn't we have a plan before shooting that once we take off the lid, iranians will be the winners of that place? iraqis look more to iran for their national identity. >> and you've got this other probl problem, even before this civil war, the sunni militants were

being funded. >> and a problem now, trying to extract something from this situation, now we seem to be forming an alliance with iran and syria. and if wolf wits didn't appreciate this schism, he needs to pay attention to the culture through the the region. it's incredibly complex, especially in iraq. and disaster ensued. >> and the arrogance, going in, trying to impose different cultural standards, there's going to be an outcome, a result. it's amazing that we don't

understand that, at least among the neo cons that were standing for the war. >> among our liberal elite, the people that were for the war, whether on television or in papers, they don't realize that this conflict started in 1979, i would say. the conflict between two ideologies. wahabism, and the rise of the shia, the iranian revolution. we saw that conflict play itself in the 1980s, and in lebanon. how did we succeed in lebanon? they fought each other for 15 years until they decided to

coexist and write a social contract. this is what we need in iran. the prime minister needs to go, and we need to find a way, not only bombardment. we need to bring the sunni community and religious leaders. the islamists, the sunni, and israelites. >> and in your reading, is that even possible? >> well, i think she's absolutely right. it's too late for the prime minister. he's failed to make an alliance. and the obama administration is caught about what to do in this crisis.

but the prime minister, his days are numbered if there's going to be anything salvaged out of this. >> well, that's one thing that's clear, the prime minister's failure. a great book you should take a lot, and appreciate you being here. coming up, as the president moves to give equal rights to lgbt, the producers of the movie, the case against 8, come with me in-studio. if i can impart one lesson to a

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and there's no law protecting ll lgbt persons from job discrimination. this week is a good time to revisit the struggle for gay equality, including the moments when proposition 8 was struck down. here's the documentary makers of "the case against 8." i want to play a clip from your film, because it gets to the heart of what it's about, the human element. let's take a look. >> the word marriage has special meaning. it's why we're here today.

i want to be able to share in the joy that my parents, friends, coworkers felt of being able to be married. >> he's the love of my life. >> i had a reaction that was audible. i gasped, because the emotion came up so strongly. it's when he said, i love him more than i love myself. i gasped because i thought, i feel the same way about you. >> well, did this decision animate you to make this film? >> well, i think that clip, showing the testimony that they gave during that trial, it's a perfect example. they articulated things so well,

and expressing the emotions of being discriminated under proposition 8. and once we got there, met the plaintiffs, we realized that we as gay americans can relate to. >> and obviously, some very famous lawyers arguing it. what motivated them to get involved in the case? >> they were the opposing attorneys in bush v gore. and little did people know, during bush v gore, they formed quite a friendship. there comes a point where their wives and children don't want to

talk to them about it anymore, and you can only talk to your opponent. they feel passionately about this. >> how did he come to this? was it before prop 8 passed, or did stories about this impact him? >> well, we were trying to find out how he changed his mind, but it turns out that he always felt that way. him coming out in favor of this, it really opened the door for conservatives to say, i'm in favor of gay marriage. >> and when president obama was

elected, it was a great time for democrats, but also when prop 8 passed, it was not a good moment. >> we don't pick up on that tension. we pick up after prop 8's passage, and this group that tried to sue to get rid of it. we tried to strip away the politics, we wanted to tell two normal, human stories that went all the way to the supreme court. >> and it is the human stories that have changed so many

american minds. do you think it is the human story that has caused such a rapid advance for gay marriage? >> absolutely. all it takes is getting to know people. the people at the heart of our film, you understand why they should have the same human rights as anyone else. >> thank you for being here. tell us where you can see the film. >> it's in theaters across the country and will be on hbo on june 20th. >> thank you. and coming up next, even after four decades, there are still lots of facts unknown about watergate. and a tornado is coming in

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>> indeed, decades later, it's still describe as one of washington, d.c.'s most transforming events. four men broke into the watergate hotel. that led a war-weary public to lose faith in their government, and some would say, in the white house. and after denials, richard milhouse nixon resigned. >> after the watergate crisis, i may not have the support necessary to carry out the

decisions that leading the country may require. >> now, the parking garage where bob woodward met his source is going to be demolished. and now, the question is, what else don't we know about washington's most infamous political scandal? nick waterman is here, a trial lawyer specializing in white collar crime. and we were talking about some of the fascinating secret stories about watergate. you wanted to talk about that garage. >> well, if you asked the

average person on the street, it was all about bob woodward and his source. but another event, a republican-appointed judge -- it was only because he meted out 25, 30-year sentences to the burglars, one of them wrote a letter to the judge, saying there were lies and there was a coverup involved. so, this judge, believing that there was more to this, made a lot of the information come out. >> the new york times had the

information, but didn't run it. >> well, when i was a prosecutor, a foreign "times" corresponde correspondent, he had a source that was in charge of affairs for the nixon white house. he called up and said it was nixon, colson, they were all behind it. and right then, at that point in time, they had the entire story, or the makings of it. but the new york times didn't run with the story, because they didn't believe they had enough to go with it, another source to

corroborate it. >> and talk about mark feldman. he was almost indicted. >> i never thought he was the actual deep throat. i thought it was l. patrick gray. i was reviewing information, and saw that woodward and bernstein had made a number of calls to his office. mark was a key witness in terms of whether or not gray had lied in his testimony. it was clear that he was trying to protect the fbi, and was not going to change his story.

he said he couldn't recall certain things, making it hard to have a perjury case against him. >> and the inconsistent taping system that ultimately brought nixon down. what was behind it, and was it different from other presidents? >> it was different. but more importantly, was what the motivation behind it? in 1969, congress passed the tax reform act. prior to that act, every president was able to donate papers to the federal government, the archives, and take a tax adjustment. that meant that presidents really didn't pay taxes after

leaving office. nixon lobbied to get these changes from the tax reform act. one of the things he did, backdated the deed, committed tax fraud. and he said, one way to get around the statute was to donate tapes instead of papers. after he left office, this fella newman, appraised the tapes. and nixon talking about going to china. it's just invaluable. this would have allowed him over the next years to never really pay much in taxes.

so, the irony of the story is, what brought him down was really his own greed. >> thank you very much. watergate prosecutor nick ackerman. appreciate it. coming up, we'll look at the situation in iraq. there's a lot of blame to go around. seeing the world in reverse, and i loved every minute of it. but then you grow up and there's no going back. but it's okay, it's just a new kind of adventure. and really, who wants to look backwards when you can look forward?

the current debate over who to blame over the crisis in iraq and syria, it could be on the obama administration, or on the bush administration, which after all, negotiated the agreement that pulled forces from iraq. remember the incident where one iraqi threw a shoe at president

bush? it was thrown on the occasion of the announcement of the finalized agreement to take our troops and go. and it was the bush administration that had the idea to invade iraq in the first place. then dismantling the mostly sunni army and sending them home. and that misses an important point, this region of the world has a history with centuries of bloody conflict and also seems to be completely irresistible to the west. by the 1930s, black crude was

discovered. and then fdr hosted lord halifax at the white house, and said persian oil is yours. saudi arabian oil, it's ours. and in 1953, when we installed the shah, but then there was an uprisi uprising. we backed hussein, but then overthrew him. and now we're shocked that tensions in a country the west cobbled together after world war i have blown up.

-- has backfired spectacularry. america has caused man fold problems and hasn't been able to solve any of them. that's it for now. now, "the cycle" comes up. >> hey, joy. long time, no see. we're going to pick up where you left off, in the conversation on iraq. what happens next? and we're going to be covering the breaking news about a suspect arrested in the attack on the benghazi consulate attack two years ago. and i'm going to talk about what we can read into hillary's book tour. >> sounds like good stuff. krystal ball, everyone. "the cycle" comes up next. what.

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