breaking news tops "the cycle" today. lately, it's felt like the weight of the world has been on us. and today, the full weight of the american justice system is on this suspect. he's in custody, alleged to be at least one of the attackers behind the 2012 benghazi attack. the worst of his charges is punishable by death. here's what the president had to say. >> i said my commitment is to bring the attackers to justice. it's a message to the world, when americans are attacked, no

matter how long it takes, we will find those responsible and bring them to justice. regardless of how long it takes, we will find you. i want to make sure that everybody around the world hears that message very clearly. >> pete williams, what else are you hearing? >> well, the operation happened over the weekend. it happened very peacefully. and is now in a secure location. while it is true that he is, as you said, en route to the u.s., he's not exactly taking an express flight. he's in a secure location, and it seems same to assume that

he's being interrogated by u.s. officials. when that process is done, then a new team will come in and begin the process for the criminal justice system. he'll be given his miranda warnings, and be questioned by a second team untainted by anything he said before the miranda warning one given. ultimately, he will be brought to washington, d.c., to the federal courthouse on capitol hill to answer for charges that were filed last july. charges of killing americans in diplomatic facilities. and now, he's being questioned, and will come here at some

point. we're also told he was on the run from the u.s., but also persona non grata in libya. so, he couldn't seek refuge with the libyan government from the u.s. and we've known his name for some time. very little doubt, an open secret, that he had been indicted. he was giving interviews to reporters in libya. after a couple of attempts, the u.s. succeeded to capture him this weekend. >> and dana, it did not take long for republicans to decide how they felt about this. kelly ayotte said, i hope the

administration will focus on collecting the intelligence necessary to prevent further attacks. what are the implications of what she's saying there? >> well, they're looking at the success of the president, over the last 20 months, where is this guy? sipping a frappe with journalists. well, that's gone now. some think he should go to gitmo. and others comes out to say, good they got him, but they should have gotten him earlier. so, just like with osama bin

laden, there will be a little bit of political gain for the president, but it will only take a couple of moments to get the benghazi scandal wagon back on its wheels. >> and pete, when senator mccain says today, he should be sent to gitmo, not the federal courthouse, what are the implications of that? >> it's a familiar thing that republicans say, and some democrats, too. our aim should not be immediately to bring them to a courthouse. senator lindsey graham says,

interrogate them and then bring them to the u.s. for a trial. but the obama administration has made the decision, he's going to come to the u.s. to stand trial. to try to get at their goal here, which is to get intelligence, that's why they're doing these two steps of questioning. a lot of the debate comes, will this go too fast? will it give the u.s. intelligence enough time? well, the government has answered this for itself, and that's the process they're using. and the man arrested last year on the streets of libya, also here awaiting trial. >> and mark cruz saying, send

him to gitmo. now, the republican party has been united about not trusting the president. is this going to be what we'll see in the 2016 campaign around benghazi? or will rand paul take a different attack? >> well, dana is better qualified to answer than me. >> well, it's a long time before 2016. and i suspect they'll come up with all kinds of enew argument for 2016. but this president, gitmo has been a thorn in his side, and he's in a lot of trouble with his own side for not closing it down. so, clearly, the republicans want to put that pressure on

obama, to give him some trouble with his own base. and he's not going to take that bait. >> and i want to go back to something you said earlier, it's easier to talk to him on the street rather than go in and grab him. why? >> well, reporters will not put him in handcuffs, they'll talk to him and shake his hand and walk away. the government has to decide whether they have the evidence to bring him here. now, they apparently crossed that rubicon when they filed the charges last year when he became formally a fugitive. and in january, saying he's a

member of ansar al sharia. and saying he's one of the key planners behind the benghazi attacks. and we believe there are 11 or perhaps 12 others accused of planning the attack. if you look at the federal court website where his charge was unsealed, there are other defendants, but he's the only one we know for certain. >> and we've seen republicans using benghazi to energize their base. does this capture take some of the wind of their sails? >> well, when you look at this, what were the issues of the

benghazi scandal? one of them was the talking points. but the larger question, could something have been done to prevent it, and why haven't these guys been brought to justice? well, one of them has been taking away with this, and i think the other one has been pretty much answered. it's hard to see that alone bringing this president to impeachment. >> thank you. up next, we turn to the crisis in iraq. u.s. troops are headed there, but not in the way you think. what are our options? "the cycle" rolls on for this tuesday, june 17th. it's data mayhem.

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more developing news in "the cycle." iraq on the break. insurgents find themselves on the defense. and president sends additional troops to the region. and american forces are moving in. republicans scramble to find a united message. what about the rest of the party? and where does the rest of america stand? night has fallen in iraq. but 44 of the sunni militants

have been taken out. u.k. prime minister said that -- turkey has evacuated its consula consulate. and 275 troops are there to fortify the u.s. embassy. our reporter is once again there. are insurgents making their way to the south? >> well, we saw more of a push by isis to the city of bakuba. that's an important, strategic

city for many reasons. it's the capitol of the province, and sits close to one of the major highways into the heart of the city. and if insurgents could take over the city, it could be used as a base that could put the city under a lot of person. >> please stay with us. here's dan o'shea. working with hostage negotiations, and was with the u.s. embassy at the start of the iraq war. what are our options here, military or nonmilitary? >> well, they're pretty limited. we don't have an agreement in

place, and until that happens, we can't have any boots on the ground. so, that leaves air options, but air force or predators can't do much without troops on the ground. so, our options are limited right now, and this is a very volatile situation that is going to continue to play out. involving more than just iraq, with reverberations that are going to go around the world. >> and let me bring you back in, a lot of smart folks writing in, who is isis? it's not quite the group we were originally told they were. they're more of a danger to muslims than americans. do you agree with that

assessment? >> well, the core group is dangerous to a lot of people. and it's morphed to include sympathize sympathizers and others. over the course of the last several weeks and months, culminating with the takeovers of the past week, the group has changed a little bit. but the core ideology remains draconian. they want to impose sharia law, and we've seen mass executions, crucifixions when people have challenged the rule of isis.

by no means is this by any measure an acceptable group within the moderates in iraq. but they're drawing more support in the shia-led government. >> and how can we work to our goals without military involvement? >> well, over the course of the last several years since the u.s. has pulled out of iraq, iran has moved in. it's played a roll in shoring up

the paramilitary militants. and they have an interest in stopping the militants, but the challenge is how to do that. working on the ground is very difficult. one of the suggestions that has been floated around is whether or not the prime minister himself stays in power. some of the countries surrounding say the prime minister has to create a more inclusive government. the united states and iran can create pressure but he wants to address this issue with military force. >> and the u.s. troops headed to

iraq are headed to the embassy. you've been involved with that embassy. what do you expect that to look like? >> well, it's very large. the size of 60 football fields. the size of a large american university. it's reinforced, but very exposed. one border is with the tigris river. there's 250-odd troops, that's not a whole lot. they won't be able to do much more than reinforce the marines already there. so, they're just going to be protecting the building and getting the u.s. officials out of the area.

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militant group isis is testing president obama. now facing having to go back in. we're at a critical juncture. it's hard not to go back to the original decision to go into iraq. when i started to run for congress, this documentary called -- the fact we disbanded the iraqi army, paving the way for where we are now. they've sidelined the sunni, and

exacerbated the tensions that have been around for a long time. and now, what should we do? it's helpful to look at this as a sunni-shia civil war. and i don't know why we could want to weigh in on the side of either of the groups. >> that's interesting, that it made you want to get involved. i didn't know that about you. but the american cowboy nature is to do something, show other nations who we are. and make any situation be what we want it to be. but that doesn't happen. but not doing anything is not the same as doing nothing. sometimes it's the best choice to not go in.

especially in a situation with enemies and bad options everywhere, sometimes the best option is not to do anything. and the obama policy, don't intervene when that could make things worse. >> well, i think it's less the cowboy thing, than trying to make up for going into iraq. just because we invaded, there's sort of the sense we have some responsibility and expertise. if a similar fight happened in another country, i think that it wouldn't happen. >> well, why not think, don't intervene more. >> well, if we could fix it, i

think we would have a responsibility to do more. but i don't think there's anything we can do to make these two sides hate each other less. and there wasn't any entlus yachl on any side for doing that. >> there's an arrogance on thinking we can fix it. >> and that's rarely offered by politicians, even anti-war politicians. one piece this week, saying, if we broke it, we pay for it, but we don't own it forever.

it doesn't tell us what we do going forward. and i think the ethical piece of this, americans want to see our nation, this is above partisanship. we want to do good. how do we do that? having usaid, and good foreign policy, and in some cases, we do go in and intervene. but as krystal is saying, there's not a clear argument about what to do. and look at a democracy like israel in the region. syria-israel is long island to manhattan. they don't have the luxury of looking at it from a distance.

their view, having been involved in so many wars in the area, the view from israel has been, it is impossible to intervene in a way that advances our interests, and there is a likelihood that we will make this worse. and we see the face of evil, talking about syria gassing innocents, but where he have tried to intervene, and found it doesn't work, it's too complex, and it's not our fight. >> well, you pointed out, there's a good intent there. we want to do the humanitarian thing, but the flip side, we can't always create the situation we want to create.

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administrations had held five men at gitmo without a trial. our next guest says that it should start right here at home, with trials. james, welcome, and we've got a new book here by you. we want to get to that. but first, tell us, when you look at this suspect being questioned and brought back here. what should happen to him? >> i think he should be tried in our federal courts. we have 225 years of jurisprudence. a record of fair trials. i think that that's the fair trial that the international community is looking for. if he's tried in guantanamo, as will be or is khalil sheik

mohammed -- even coerced evidence is admissible. it just keeps going on and on. there will be appeals, and the international community will be watching. >> and we saw similar debate play out with khalid sheik mohammed, and john hughes came out against k.s.m. be iing trie in the federal courts. -- and how it got it.

we're already seeing the outlines of a similar argument being used in this case. >> well, i think the benghazi case will not be tried by a military group. i think it's a fabricated p proce proceeding, imitating the rules of federal court and approximatapproximate what happens in every federal court. there's no jury, and it's not a public trial. >> and what you wrote in your book, from the 1950s, a lot of

people remember this case. you wrote, the rosenberg case still haunts american history, knowing what can happen when a nation gets caught up in hysteria. >> well, i think that applies in the situation with the benghazi terrorists, and khalil sheik mohammed, and the statement made, we've gone through a period of hysteria, following 9/11, not unlike the hysteria in the mccarthy period. >> well, history has shown that the rosenbergs were probably not guilty at all, at least not guilty enough to face the death

penalty. >> well, they were tried under two statutes. there was no jury recommendation. and the supreme court -- there's also the question of proportionalty. and after the fall of the soviet union, it turned out that none of the information they turned over was of any value to the russians. and you have other atomic spies that were convicted that really did give the atham bomb to the russians, and he got ten years.

other defendants spared the death penalty, and it wasn't even considered. death is irrevocable, and we don't want to get to that. >> you have several first amendment cases about -- these cases were fought about obscenity. >> well, the "ulysses" case came up in the 1940s. there was one chapter in a book of about 1,000 pages that the league of decency said was indecent.

and a trial before a judge in the southern district. and looking at a book, you look at the whole book to see whether in context to see if it's a work of literature. and we got into films, "i am curious yellow" and "deep throat." the same standards applied. and then community standards changed. and with the internet, porn is everywhere. >> the book is "the mother's court." thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. >> that's "the mother court."

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area. and of course the interviews. 99% of the interview substance has been safe, unremarkable just like hillary was hoping. but that other 1% is of course what's gotten all of the attention. first the lament that she and bill were dead broke and had trouble affording mortgages for their houses. a presumptive nominee could this comment have been any more disnent? there was uncomfortable change where she struggled at length to sort through her talking points on gay marriage to describe why sche her position changed. she settled on something like the country changed and so did i and came out with night must position, an answer i take no issue with. in her talking point flal, we were reminded of something else,

for the clintons, everything is carefully poll tested and focus grouped earn weatherer vaned. if marriage equality was still a drag for candidates, do you think hillary would have come out in support? i've begun asking myself an uncomfortable question, is hillary clinton our mitt romney? smart? sure. confident, absolutely. inkred resume, without a doubt but kind of tone deaf and unrelatable. be honest, did her dead broke comment make you think just for a second about mitt saying ann drives a couple of cadillacs or he likes firing people. like mitt after decades in public service we still can only speculate on what hillary clinton is all about, a secret liberal, a dlc wall street dem? what will she run on? what sort of president would she actually be? there's no clues in the bland safety of her state department record and certainly not in hard choices. we can only guess through the

baubls that accidental deviations from the script and things that didn't come from the briefing book. there's clearly more enthusiasm among democrats for hillary than there was among republicans for romney because of her trail blazer status and she's effectively boxed down other potential kocontenders. already sky high approval ratings are starting to add and people are remembering the real hillary. the real hillary didn't just lose because of her vote on iraq. in fact the iraq vote and inability to say she was wrong were symptoms of the core problem in her campaign. problem that was also at the center of romney's campaign. she xuded confidence but with no core belief. it seemed like the real answer to why she was running for president was simply because she wanted to be president. will 2016 be different? it's possible but so far i haven't seen change i can believe it just yet.

"now" starts now. >> as a crisis in iraq worsens, u.s. considers talks with a long time foe. it is tuesday, june 17th and this is "now". >> there is a giant hole in the middle of the middle east. >> more violence raging in iraq. >> heavy fighting between sunni insurge enlts and iraqry government forces. >> president obama is now authorized 275 troops -- >> to provide support and security for u.s. workers and the u.s. embassy. >> the iraqi government is focused on stamping out the insurgency there but not through the tactics favored through the obama administration. >> are we going to be fighting on behalf of the maliki government? >> he has done more damage to that country than anyone -- >> what we can't do is make it look like there's an iranian/american alliance. >> the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy. >> any regrets about t