good evening, americans, welcome to the ed show, live from new york. let's get to work. >> ladies and gentlemen, we got him. >> these people are still out to get us. this war isn't over. >> do you agree with me that bombing should happen, should happen? >> yes. >> advising president bush when the u.s. invaded in 2003? >> we have no ambition in iraq except to remove a threat. >> we got him. >> and restore control of that authority to its own people. >> i'm not a military expert -- >> paul wolfowitz, some called him the architect of the original war in iraq. >> if i were the architect, it would have been run differently and handled very differently. >> the specific issue of weapons of mass destruction --

>> over time the truth will come out. >> the far left says you and bush and everybody involved with it did it on purpose. >> that's an old argument. >> the truth will come out. >> facts have a nasty way of coming back and basically determining your options. >> real point now i believe is not to do the i told you sos. >> just for clarification, i'm one of those far left guys. i like supporting workers. i like not being a climate denier and i like telling the truth when it comes to an accountability and mistakes and that's where we are right now. i want to ask you a couple of questions. let's talk about judgment. if all of these experts on iraq and history majors on iraq step forward and said we have information are for instance, if

six senators on the republican side came out tonight and had a press conference and says, we have information that we're going to get hit within the next 24 hours, would you believe them? if president obama were to come out and say, we have information that we're going to get hit within the next 24 hours and you really need to be vigilant across america, who would you believe? would you believe the guy that eventually got bin laden on the folks that gave up trying to catch the guy that hit america. there is a very important point. it's an issue of credibility. what no one is pointing out, is that president obama's credibility is impeccable compared to this crowd. there's no question about it. republicans who lied america and that is the word, that is the word, let's make sure that the history books get it right. who lied america into the iraq war 11 years ago, i think have no credibility and absolutely no place voicing their opinion this

time around. i mean, if you're wrong, you're wrong. this is a big wrong, over $2 trillion spent so far. 32 american injuries, 32,000 americans injured and of course, we don't want to pay for that. we don't want to fund the va. over 4,000 americans dead. now, all of this blood and treasure lost because of this crowd right here. this is the crowd that had the information and they -- i'll use ted kennedy's line from way back, cooked the books. it was a coordinated campaign of deception that lasted for years and i have a hangover. we were told about mushroom clouds, weapons of mass destruction, all one big lie. let's not forget, now the same people who worked in the bush administration are out and about trying to retutor this country on exactly what happened and let's give a little advice on iraq. that's where they are. now who are you believing?

karl rove who was known as bush's brain, he ran to the tv cameras on monday night. rove agreed with bill o'reilly that there should be about 10,000 troops still on the ground in iraq. >> we're better off if we've got something guide these planes in -- >> i don't think anybody opposes -- >> i shouldn't say that, most people would not oppose that but i don't think you're going to get a mass force -- they should have left 10,000 behind, should have left 10,000 behind and we didn't. we have to deal with reality now. >> we have to deal with reality that bill o'reilly has zero military experience and never made a military decision in his life. but since he's got the platform he might as well use it while he can. it's a good thing for those troops that rove is out of the white house. but wait a minute, it's our fault, rove is criticizing this

network. he said that we are using selective outrage over the decision to invade iraq in 2003. >> the msnbc crowd is not critical of the two secretaries ever state who served president obama, secretary clinton and secretary kerry, both of whom voted for the horzization and use of force against iraq. it might be selective outrage. >> hold on there, karl, just a moment. these two americans have served add mirably, have they not? hillary clinton, john kerry, the guy who should have been president, really. these senators, what did they do? did they vote for the war? those senators voted on what they believed to be the truth. what they were told. that's how they voted. they made a mistake because the intelligence that they were given was false. lawmakers today don't want a repeat performance.

rove also said the democrats are wasting time talking about the bush administration lying their way into iraq. >> the far left says that you and bush and everybody involved with it did it on purpose. you knew the war on weapons of mass destruction and they are never going to get out of that. >> that's an old argument that really we waste time on because -- >> we waste time. >> because people on the other side who looked at the same intelligence came to the same conclusion, including people like al goer and bill clinton -- >> and bill o'reilly as well. >> no, no, it's not an argument. facts are facts and you can't change them. come on, karl, again. what were they told and who told them? >> we're not wasting time talking about the bush administration lying this country into a war. you can't blame members of congress for making a decision based on faulty intelligence, cooking the books.

it was intelligence the bush administration knew was wrong, but they provided it to congress anyway. >> powell walked into my office and walked over to the window and said i wonder what will happen when we put 500,000 troops in iraq and comb the country from one end to the other and find nothing. and turned around and walked back in the office. i wrote that down on my calendar as close to verbatim as i could because i thought that was a profound statement coming from the secretary of state former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. >> can't get much higher than the secretary of state, can you, former joint chief of staff. it's not just rove. former deputy defense secretary paul wolfowitz loves the tv cameras these days trying to mop up his reputation. he's out with his opinion. the architect, one of them of the iraq war was out fear mongering, fear mongering about the next 9/11 earlier today. >> political leaders lead and they explain to the public that this is -- you don't like my

using the world and complain to the public, this isn't some obscure conflict between shia and sunni you don't understand. this is about preventing another 9/11. that was barely ten years ago, people understand that one. and if we wait until something terrible happens, believe me, that tlb will be no need to exp, many of the options will be gone. >> so we certainly don't want to let any of the options slip away. what do you say we throw more troops into iraq and try this thing one more time again? you know what, if the republicans had power, if they could, we would be sending massive troops back to iraq so they could get it right maybe the second time. i guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks. wolfowitz was wrong 11 years ago and wrong again today. pa paul bremer is giving his opinion, the guy who failed at running iraq after the invasion, said it's in our interest to stay involved. >> how can you advocate anymore people, any more lives going to

risk for that country? >> because it's in our interest and there are two points about our interest. number one as the president pointed out on friday in his first statement, we cannot allow -- the world's worst terrorist group to get a base of support in a failed nation. this is not afghanistan which is remote and behind the mountains, this is the heart of the middle east with a lot of wealth and we cannot allow that to happen. >> paul bremer just said iraq was a failed nation and they want to do a do-over? >> no one who was involved in the bush administration has the right to talk about iraq with any credibility whatsoever. these guys failed big time. the invasion of iraq was one of the biggest mistakes in american history. thousands of lives lost and of course for a war that was started on lies, manufactured by this crowd right here. they couldn't get enough of it. it's all of that privatization that's going on. you know what, enough is enough. choices in iraq right now are up to the president of the united

states, the commander in chief. and the president alone at this point, the guy that was elected and then re-elected. there is a reason a democrat won the last two presidential elections. so i ask you tonight, isn't this a real debate about credibility. isn't this a real debate about judgment and who you trust? i wonder if these republican senators who continue to walk in front of the cameras slamming obama and every decision the president makes whether it is truly politically motivated or do they really believe this stuff? do they have skin in the game? that's the key question. and i'll go back to what i asked last night, are you ready to send your kid into this civil war? because we might get hit? it's back to the old argument, we've got to fight them over here so we don't have to fight them over here. we're fighting them everywhere. this is an issue of resources, we can't be the world's policemen. here's another thing that we got

to take under consideration, you can't trust the republicans when it comes to resources. look what they are doing with the va. th don't want to fund it. if we get into something big in iraq again, how long do you think before we're talking about offsets? yeah, middle class folks have got to serve it up again. you know, medicare, and medicaid and social security, we went back into iraq to get it right again. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question. would you hire anyone from the bush administration as a national security consultant? that one is even hard to get out. text a for yes and b for now. you can always go to the blog at ed.msnbc.com. for more, let me bring in barbara boxer of california. senator, it is great to have you with us tonight.

appreciate your time. >> it's good to be with you. can i thank you for that opening? thank you. >> ten years ago i didn't have this platform and i was at home pulling out what harry had left and at that time i was amazed that this was nothing but a drum beat to do something on a lie when there was not really verification. you know that. you voted against this. >> i did. >> are we getting another iraq sell job, senator? >> of course. the media is inviting all of these guys and maybe they'll be some gals too, to talk about this again. i would say rea rhetorically, if you want another disaster, is will be listen to these people. and you talked about the 4,000 americans dead. but you didn't happen to mention in this particular report the 30,000 desperately wounded. the fact that they said we'd be treated as liberators and these

same people said we would be out of there in six months and that the oil revenues would pay for the war, which is now estimated by experts to be at $2 trillion when you count all of the health care that we have to give to our brave men and women in uniform. we were in there nine years and we're not going to go back. we're not. >> what do we do, senator? what is our course of action as you see it? >> here's what i think. there's certain facts we have to deal with. we know there are terrible terrorists out there in the world. they are all over the map. but we know isis came into being when we went into iraq. and they have now filled the void because maliki did not do an inclusive government and isis took advantage of this opening and taking back sunni territory. we do have ed, tens and thousands of our military in the

middle east. and many of them are experts in intelligence and counterterrorism. yes, we have a stake at making sure that there's not another 9/11. we've had that ever since the day after 9/11. we have to be vigilant and we have to go after those terrorists but we don't get into boots on the ground, we don't get into a civil war. we gave the iraqi people a chance of a lifetime. we gave it to them with our blood and treasure. and i'm telling you they blew it. that's the fact, maliki wouldn't even give us a status of forces agreement. those republicans who are saying barack obama took our people out, by the way, i was for taking our people out. the president wanted to keep more of a force there but couldn't get a status of forces agreement. so by bottom line is we're not going to go back in again. we have paid dearly and there are families who never get over the payment they made. >> finally, senator, the

conservatives are making the case that if we don't do something that this will be a staging ground for another 9/11, that we will get hit again as a country, we won't be as secure because we're not involved in their civil war, the fighting going back between the shunnis and shiite? >> we have a counter terrorism operation in the middle east and we should do what we've done all along since 9/11. we are holding the man from benghazi and he will face justice. we have counterterrorism and we'll continue to have counterterrorism. >> senator barbara boxer, great to have you with us. i appreciate your time. thank you so much. who do you believe when you go into a briefing and they tell you something, do you come out

believing it? this was the case on capitol hill. listen to what senator byron dorgan told us last night about intel briefings. >> reminds me of ten or 11 years being in literally dozens of top secret briefings and hearings on the hill. literally dozens of top secret briefings in which we now know we were told things that were patently false. we went to war in iraq under false pretenses. >> we can afford to do that again? probably not. we better have a real intense conversation about this. let me bring in senator john tester of montana who ran in 2006 on a platform of leaving iraq. >> good to have you with us tonight. it's like revisiting the circus here. are we going to see the same act? >> i certainly hope not. i think that back in 2003, it's been well documented we went into iraq based on bad

information and when you get bad information, make bad decisions. look, we -- we work there and try to give iraqi folks their freedom. maliki never jumped on board. i think this result of what is happened is purely predictable and if we go back in again, we'll be able to settle it down for a while. the minute we move out of that country, it will be the same result again. they've got to sort out the own differences, i don't think we should be sending air strikes in, troops in. i think we should get out. >> senator, what's your response to former bush administration members calling for action in iraq? >> i just think you're going to get the same -- there's all sorts of problems with it. first of all, what are going to be the results? do we have what the operation is going to include, where we're going to hit and what the end game is going to be? because those are all very, very important. we needed that when we went into iraq first time and didn't have it. quite frankly, we're going to

get the same results again as we did back in 2003. we're going to put people's lives on the line and add to the $17 trillion debt like we've never seen before when we have bridges and roads and education systems that need to be funded here. so those folks that want to go in, those fiscal hawks that want to go in and spend all that money, i think it's the wrong decision. >> and the 300 troops that the president is sending into iraq, your thoughts on that, saying that you just said that we shouldn't be in there at all? >> you know, we're going to get the same result when we move out. maliki doesn't want a country that's together. and quite frankly, putting another 300 troops in is going to put off the inevitable. they've been fighting for generations and hundreds of years. they are going to two back to fighting again. i don't see what we're going to accomplish in the end. it's unfortunate but it's true. those folks have been fighting for a long time, they settle down when we got in there and the instability that we provided them caused them to go right

back at it again when we go out. >> senator, do you think your constituents are in the same place they were when you were elected in 2006 on iraq? >> i do. i think even more so. i think they see the money we've spent in iraq and now afghanistan and they see the soldiers that have been killed and hurt. and i think that all fought bravely and for an important reason, to give them freedom. you can't give people freedom who don't want to have freedom. >> senator, thanks for being with us. >> turmoil in iraq raises questions about our energy security. is this an opportunity to invest in our energy independence? let's have some action, not all talk. plus the news cycle doesn't stop when your best buddy eddie goes on vacation. some of the stories that unfolded while i was away. trenders is next. we're moving our company to new york state.

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republicans in congress. >> he's not representing our views. >> the defeat of a majority leader in congress never happened before. >> did this completely shock you? >> absolutely. >> the number two trender, crisis center, the humanitarian crisis shows no signs of slowing. since october, more than 47,000 unaccompanied children have been caught at the border. >> these are economic refugees fleeing extreme poverty and fleeing extreme violence. >> the humanitarian crisis on the border brings back the immigration debate. >> we have all of these debates about foreign aid but we have this refugee crisis going on right now. >> the president who is the largest opponent to immigration reform. >> obama simply is looking for its structure. >> it's time we sit down and remove our political hats and figure this out and work on it. >> in today as top trender. >> the center stage for the cliven bundy standoff. >> i feel sorry for federal agents who want to come in and push us around.

>> anti-government sentiment turns deadly in nevada. >> two las vegas metro police officers were sitting down to lunch when two suspects walked in and shot them at point blank. >> they placed a flag on the officer beck. >> one shouted this is the start of the revolution? the anti-government reviews intensifies after they attended the cliven bundy ranch. >> i don't want violence toward them but if they are going to come bring violence to us, if that's the language they want to speak, we'll learn it. >> joining me tonight, john ralson. this is a tragedy of major proportions. what people say, you have to believe that they might do at some point. have we learned anymore about the suspect in the weeks since the shooting. >> well, what we've learned the

local newspaper ad had a piece in which they describe this couple, young people, 31 and 22, i believe. essentially were loners but as you heard, they were out at the bundy ranch and there's all kinds of stuff on social media and one tracker of the so-called sovereign citizen movement, the oath keepers, all of the folks wrote a great piece in forbes, that tracked the markers that showed they are like a lot of folks you and i have talked about before, let the revolution begin, take back the government. some on the right, ed have now tried to say these folks are not the same as some of the these oj keepers because the guy claimed to have voted for obama. all of the social media postings and activities in indiana show they are with the sovereign citizens and join the independent american party here where the nominee for governor is someone they have an affinity

with. this guy is crazier than almost anybody out there, some of his posts that he put up. egs a nominee for governor of this state, ed, i'm so proud. >> i think we need to focus in on and i think americans need to focus in on what attracted these people to go to nevada. it was the exposure and the platform that was given to what some conservatives said was a patriot in mr. bundy. he attracted these, the like of folks like this that took it way too far that were domestic terrorists. harry reid classified these people as domestic terrorists. isn't this just -- isn't this -- i don't think this is just another act of gun violence here. these people went there on a mission and they were provoked by i think a lot of overcoverage and people not simmering this thing down. even hannity said i'm going to stand with these people. what people? the ones in the back of the line, front of the line?

i said at the time, this is dangerous stuff. these people play for real. and it is unfortunate that this happened at a mammoth proportion. did we learn anything from this, john? >> you and i have talked about this before. i thought harry reid went too far when he said domestic terrorists but you know what, that's exactly what this couple were. they walked into a pizza joint and cold bloodedly murdered two police officers later killed an innocent man at a walmart nearby, they put the flag over them and put the swas tis tika and spouted this nonsense. this kind of rhetoric was given sub stainance by dean heller, and assemblywoman named michelle fiori by calling these folks patriots and they used the

language of the american revolution. let's take our country back, a second revolution is coming. why would they think that is okay to say or not okay to say if you have a u.s. senator and other elected officials and candidates giving them the idea that this is mainstream political thought. that's very dangerous, ed, that's why this will happen again as long as you have the right wing echo chamber and people trying to pander to certain elements of the base giving them sustenance. >> this story got no coverage with hannity and o'reilly on this story. one week patriots and next weekend an executioner. that's exactly what this was. this was not a murder. this was an execution. thank you for your time tonight. we'll follow this story. >> still ahead, turmoil in iraq hits home as the price of oil waivers. former montana governor brian switzer weighs in and 20 years

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welcome back. the escalating tensions in iraq have gripped our nation and our markets. oil prices dropped after president obama announced about 275 troops will be deployed to iraq to help secure u.s. assets. brent crude a benchmark used to price oils fell 33 cents. the oil markets remain on edge. here's the dynamic. iraq is the second largest oil producer in opec, producing about 3.3 million barrels a day. on monday night, iraq's biggest

oil refinery was shut down and the staff was evacuated. let's be clear, the conflict in iraq is only adding to existing uncertainty within the market. according to the new york times, libya has reduced oil production to around 10% of the 1.3 million barrels a day the country produced back in 2012. iran, their output has been trimmed by international sanctions and syria's civil war has severely diminished the country's oil production. folks, now is the time to push for investment in alternative energy sources like wind and solar. and we're only scratching the surface. there's just too many uncertainty. i don't know about you, but i'm not all that fired up about a do-over with iraq over oil. >> joining me tonight, former montana governor brian sweitzer.

sh is this is this a wake-up call for america? when are we going to learn? >> when are we going to learn? >> do we remember when robert bird stood on the senate floor and begged us not to go to war in iraq. he warn d us that iraq is fighting iran. iran is the most dangerous actor in the middle east. he said the enemy of your enemy is your friend. stay out. don't go there. if we would have spent a fraction of the money that we spent by going to war in iraq on bidding alternative energy, wind turbines like the one that my grandfather and father had on their farm 80 years ago, if we would have built the wind turbines, 20 to 35% of the cars could be running on electricity today and we wouldn't be importing a barrel of oil. we made a mistake back then. let's not make a mistake this time. listen, ed, we didn't leave the stone age because we ran out of stones and didn't leave the

bronze age because we ran out of bronze. we'll leave because we have a cleaner and we have a more stable energy supply right here in america. >> well, governor, the thing that frustrates me is that solar technology is rapidly advancing and it's almost as if the country is really not paying that much attention to it. the other thing is there doesn't seem to be a plan if we're at 5% wind and solar right now, where are we going to be in 5 years? where's the ten year plan and 20-year plan? i guess the oil interest and lobbyists are so strong it won't aloup the country to think that way. what turns that around? is this a wake-up call for america to say, we're going to keep going through these cycles of violence and these markets doing what they are doing until we really get serious about energy. >> well, if not now, when? we had a leader like eisenhower who said in the 50s, we're going to build an interstate highway

system so we can efficiently move from coast to coast. where is that leadership today that says let's build the transmission lines so we can deliver the wind and solar to the cars? where's that leadership that says the wind and sun doesn't blow all the time, if we have batteries they will recharge when the wind is blowing and sun is shining and drive when they are not. we can do this but we need leadership at the top. >> the insurgency remains far away from key oil assets in the south. what happens if oil -- to oil prices if they get any closer? what do you anticipate happening in the oil market? >> well, the international oil prices are going to go up. there's no way around it. when you have that uncertainty as you know, i lived in libya and saudi arabia most of the '80s and recognize how important those oil shipping lanes are from the persian gulf. frankly, we are now only importing 35% of our oil.

within eight years we'll being net energy exporters. those persian gulf shipping lanes, that will become the problem of the asians and europeans and those people who live in the middle east. they will become our competitors. we should never put another person, another son or daughter or never put another penny in protecting those persian gulf shipping lanes. that's for asians and europeans to worry about. we have our own energy here. we have gas and oil and wind and solar. and we have the technology to get this right but we've got to starts today. no more kicking the can down the road. >> we keep tieing our economic interests to these unpredictable conflicts in the middle east when we have all of the power to do it at home and all of the people behind it. we don't have the political -- it's really unfortunate. governor, thanks so much. appreciate it. coming up, pat robertson makes a valid point until he regresses into his usual

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welcome back to "the ed show." 20 years ago a news event grabbed the attention of 95 million americans and changed the way the media covers events. a documentary highlights a number of notable things happening around the country two decades ago. >> arnold palmer. it could be his last round of golf in a u.s. open. [ cheers and applause ] >> a lot of people paying attention to that. arnold paul palmer, fabulous golfer and a legend. and the ticker tape parade for the rangers. >> they will carry the new york rangers to city hall.

>> let's go, rangers! >> lots of things going on. of course the united states was hosting the world cup. it was opening day in chicago. >> the love of soccer is now a universal language that the binds us all together. i welcome all who have come from all countries and all continents. we will reward with our cheers the courage and skills of all the players. good luck to you all. welcome to the united states! thank you. >> what you saw that day was the normal media coverage of live events but something else was going on that day. >> is brokaw going to send it to me? why don't you have him not send it to me. there is no transition. i tried it. it sounds so callous. i think it has to be no choice but to proceed with the coverage of the game.

we will do that as we join marv albert and you have to insert a commercial. >> i don't know when you will come to me on camera. >> bob costas and nbc producers were working to figure out how to bridge coverage of game five, the nba finals with a story developing in los angeles. all media outlets were grappling with the same issue. the lapd was on the hunt for famed football player o.j. si simpson son. he was charged with murder of nicole brown simpson and her friend ronald goldman. >> before we talk about basketball let's return to tom brokaw for a report are on the still developing o.j. simpson story. here's tom at our studios. >> we are witnessing a modern tragedy and drama of shakespearian proportion playing out live on television. you can probably believe this in our modern popular television culture. people are going to the freeway, parking their cars and waving at

o.j., we are told, as they drive by. >> look at the cars on the next bridge, man. [ sirens ] [ cheers ] >> o.j. simpson's car chase on the freeways of southern california changed the media for 20 years. it was the birth of reality tv. brett morgan, director of the documentary "june 17, 1994," joins us this evening here on "the ed show." appreciate your time. the significance. you did a documentary on it. there was no narration. the only thing there was the events edited by you and your team. what does it mean? >> well, i think our culture changed on june 17, 1994. there was the obvious loss of innocence in terms of how we perceived our sports icons. more importantly the way the media covered the event. sort of signalled the birth of

reality television. the birth of the 24-hour news cycle. it was a fascinating time. this is at the beginning of the internet. we still went to the newspapers and places like yourself to get our news. it's all changed. imagine now if this event happened with twitter and all the social networking? o.j. would be tweeting from the backseat of the bronco if it was today. >> what did television news producers, organizations find out from the event? that it's about sensational? if you've got video, if it's happening and you can cover it, no matter what else is going on, this is what people want? >> i think so. ed, there was a moment during the trial that i reflect upon as a film maker. i sat there and we spent three, five, seven years working on a movie to entertain people.

i being riveted for six hours with people talking about dna. it was a single camera, no editing in the courtroom. i was like, wow, this is as gripping and amazing as anything in the movie theater across the street. humbling for someone who spends years trying to make an hour and a half interesting. it's sort of our obsession and fascination with real actual human drama in the forefront. >> you made the comment that you think we viewed our sports celebrities and people in the platform differently. do people root for celebrities to fail these days? maybe they didn't -- there might have been a time in society when they were revered and now we wait for them to be knocked off their pedestal, so to speak? >> there is truth to that. however, i don't think anybody was rooting for o.j. to fail. i think this was a confusing moment for most of us.

today anyone who is under 30, when they see my film, they are watching it thinking of o.j. as minnesota they only know as a murderer are. on june 17, 1994, when the rest of us viewed these events it was a challenging tile. information was just coming out. leading him as the main suspect. most people thought o.j. was innocent that day. it was confusing for us. >> it was suspenseful. no one knew how it was going to play out. quickly, has there been anything in your opinion that's paralleled that? >> no, not really. we talk about the suspense of that day. in retrospect, i laugh. o.j. was such a nars cyst. there was no way he was going to kill himself. knowing o.j., what we know of him. i think the only thing in sports is the aaron hernandez case. >> okay. brett morgen, great work.

good to have you with us. >> thanks, ed. >> "politicsnation" with reverend al sharp ton starts now. good evening. >> good evening, ed. thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead -- to catch a terrorist. today, president obama announced that special forces captured the suspected ring leader of the terror attacks in benghazi. he allegedly played a pivotal role in the attacks that left four americans dead. his capture fulfills the promise that president obama made to the american people the day after the attack. >> it's important for us to send a message to the world that when americans are attacked, no matter how long it takes we will find those responsible and bring them