>> there is a need for immediate action. there is a need for immediate action. every day that goes by, there is greater sectarian violence, there is greater success by isis. i do not believe they can take baghdad. look at the places they've already taken. >> and the fog of war. hillary clinton's explanation for benghazi as the interrogation has begun on the alleged ring leader of the benghazi attack now being brought back to the u.s. to face prosecution. clinton faced her own grilling on fox. >> this was the fog of war. my own assessment careened from the video had something to do with it, the video had nothing to do with it. and gm's ceo mary barra called on the carpet again from congress for ignoring the ignition switch problems for more than a decade. today families are demanding

criminal charges against the nation's largest automaker. >> she is here with me today and i say this with her voice, human life must be valued above all else. >> my amber is but one and real tragic result of gm's safety defects. there are hundreds across the country. i say on behalf of all of these families, both to gm and to congress, enough is enough. and good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. iraqi insurgents are stepping up their attacks focusing on key economic targets. they seized the largest oil factory. i'm joined by richard engle in

baghdad. there have been a lot of developments overnight. take us through it. >> so far there has been a lot of fighting focused mostly in northern iraq but it is the economic infrastructure that they are targeting now. last week, the militants from isis were making their advances. they were gaining ground very quickly marching through relatively friendly territory, sunni territory. and it seemed like baghdad might even fall, that the government might collapse. that didn't happen. you've seen the government take out all of its weapons, call up the new recruits, trying to reconstitute the army. so if isis can't get here, it seems that they are trying to collapse the government in the areas where they can operate by destroying the key infrastructure. today, fighting is attacking the oil fields there. no reports that the oil fields

were ongoing. attacks at a refinery and militants are setting parts of it on fire. the government is still claims that it is in control. they are also trying to take control of key highways linking northern and southern iraq. if you can cripple the infrastructure, perhaps you can cripple the government. we are told by security officials that the next target could be baghdad international airport. that's the next feared target because the militants are coming in from the west, baghdad airport is to the west, and the militants wouldn't actually have to occupy the airport, which is heavily fortified. they could just lob in rockets and mortars. if they hit the runway a few times, flights would get canceled and it would be a big blow to the country and could potentially complicate

evacuations of personnel should that happen. >> and i was going to say, the evacuation, that's the escape valve. that's the way that any of the numbers of people who are still at the u.s. embassy would get out from the airport route. what about -- >> reporter: it wouldn't be the only way. they have other alternatives but that is an escape route and clearly the officials here are watching. you don't want the main door of baghdad international airport to slam shut. there are other airports. there are military air fields, other commercial areas in this country so it wouldn't be that the embassy staff could be trapped but certainly could complicate travel in and out of the country. >> richard, while we've been on the air, john mccain and lindsey graham, two leading critics, as you know, have been on the senate floor and we're going to get to more of this in a few minutes. >> reporter: yes. >> but there's a big debate brewing here as to what the military option should be. chuck todd is reporting from the white house. all of our sources say that the

president has decided against air strikes because they do not feel that the intelligence is good enough. they don't think that they can call them in. and what mccain and graham are saying is that you cannot stabilize iraq without the air option. i don't know what your take is, having lived there and knowing iraq as well as you do. >> reporter: air strikes are complicated. you have to figure out what it is you are actually attacking. these militants do sometimes gather in large numbers but mostly they operate in the cities, mostly they are working with tribal elders. air strikes are a pretty blunt tool and i don't know if this is the kind of conflict that can be solved with a blunt tool. if you don't use air strikes, you do other options. you do limited precision strikes, drones, or you guide the iraqi forces to the targets themselves. and i have a feeling that's where this conflict is going.

that american advisers and americans still have good relations with iraq. they spent years and years working with iraqi generals. a lot of colonels and generals know the iraqi counterparts by first names. they have eaten meals together. they know the families. at least the americans know the iraqi families. that kind of relationship could develop, where the americans are sitting in their command centers helping the iraqis saying, you need to do this, you need to do that. it's not an american intervention, it's just an overt one with american f-16s dropping 500-pound bombs doing who knows what kind of damage. the tribal leaders represent very large family groups and if you kill isis and suddenly start killing sunni tribal leaders, then you've antagonized a whole tribe, you've antagonized the village and you've re-entered the sunni-shia conflict.

andrea, as you are a student of political thought, there's a larger question at play. a civil war is starting in this country. a horrible civil war. and there was a civil war that broke out here in 2006 and 2007. the americans were on the ground trying to keep the two sides apart. and for the most part, with the u.s. troop surge, they did keep the troops apart, the sunnis and the shia apart. when they left, they went back at it and that's where we are at now. the u.s. seems to be reluctant to get back in. there is another player here, which is iran. iran has always been on the ground and influential. if you compare the statements coming out of washington today and the statements coming out of tehran today, you will see that the u.s. doesn't really want to jump back into the waters or the deserts, i should say, and iran doesn't have that qualm. iran is saying it is drawing up

recruits to come and join the shiites fighting against the militants. it has no issue whatsoever to intervene to protect shia holy people. there's a statement here. washington doesn't seem to want to engage and iran wants to engage. >> what an incredible mess. thank you so much, richard engel, for your reporting, as always. members of the senate foreign relations committee trying to deal with this. they arrived at the state department today to sit down with secretary kerry, senator menendez leading the group. joining me now. well, you heard what richard is reporting from the field. could we be drawn into this reluctantly just to be a countervailing force against iran? >> no, i don't think that's going to be our deterrent, andrea. >> let me ask you what secretary kerry is telling you because our

reporting is saying that the president is reluctant to use power and there are some reports coming out of the national security council that john kerry is on one side of this argument and susan rice and her colleagues on the other. >> well, first of all, today's breakfast had been predetermined. it was with members of the foreign relations committee and it wasn't iraq specific, although iraq certainly came up. look, i think the question is for the united states, what's our national security interests here and certainly isis, if it can gain control of a significant part of iraq and that part of syria that it has, it creates a triangle of ungovernored space in which we have to be worried about them as an entity and trying to pursue 9/11-type attacks. we have to determine how to respond to that. as you heard richard, the challenges to responding to that are significant. air power alone won't win the

day. the question is, do we have enough actionable intelligence that we can precision strike isis that protects our national security interests and then hopefully maliki and the iraqis come together as a people, which has been one of his huge failures. as he was here last year, i pressured him when he met with the committee about being all inclusive in iraq. for our calculus, it has to be, what can we do successfully to thwart isis not because of iraq's stability but our own national security. >> first of all, should air strikes be off the table? >> well, i don't think anything should be off the table. the question is, can you have the type of intelligence, which i believe we are now riveting back on iraq in terms of imagery, satellite, and other, you know, intelligence assets, to be able to determine are

there high-value targets that you can pursue with minimum, if any, civilian damage so you don't have the consequences that richard himself spoke about from his report from the field. >> and at the same time, our new nbc washington post poll shows that 50% of those polled cannot leave. a lower percentage believes that the president can lead than supported george w. bush after katrina. our own chuck todd says that this is the dagger through the heart of this presidency. >> well, look, i think opinion polls are a snapshot in a moment. we just saw this president capture one of the benghazi suspects in the death of our ambassador. he said over time he would do it and he did the same with bin laden when others said they would do it and they never did.

the question also becomes, we're a war-weary country. so how you respond to our national security interests by potentially having limited strikes based upon intelligence that actually gives you the value you want, which is stopping isis in its tracks because we don't want them to be able to attack our regions and at the end of the day, the world has become a challenging place, probably more turmoil than i've seen 22 years in the congress and so meeting all of these challenges would be unique to any presidency what solve. i would remind people that the reason that we're in the situation in iraq in the first place is because george w. bush took us there when we shouldn't have been there in the first place and that's why i voted against the war in iraq and now we've seen the consequences that flow from an intervention in which there never should have been. >> is it time to pull the plug on maliki? >> i think maliki is going to

pull the plug on himself if he can't ultimately -- now, i understand there was a late-night meeting yesterday in which maliki called in a wide cross-section of the iraqi community, sunnis and kurds as well as shia and they came up with a 19-point plan which hasn't been -- hasn't gotten very much attention. if, in fact, he engages in a meaningful way so that every iraqi fields, sunni, shia, and kurd feels that they are fighting for a country in which they have a stake and are truly a citizen of, then there is an opportunity. if not, i don't see how he survives. >> thank you so much, mr. chairman. chairman of the foreign relations committee, bob menendez. and another outbreak of tornadoes ripping through nebraska overnight. the latest twister striking only 30 miles from that small farming community of pilger that was

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well, from syria to iraq, the bowe bergdahl prisoner ex change and the v.a. scandal, our new wall street journal poll today shows that this is a politically toxic mix of events here and abroad. a majority of americans are now souring on president obama. joining me is managing editor

and usa washington bureau chief, susan page. chris, when we talk about the poll number that i was just referring to with senator menendez, can the president lead and get the job done, only 42% saying yes. 54% saying no. those kinds of opinions get pretty much stuck in people's minds. it's awfully hard to shake that off. >> you know, andrea, i'm glad you zeroed in on that. i was writing something about those numbers which i think that question, it's probably the most depressing number if you are an ally of president obama. remember, that presidents get elected more so than any other elected official, get elected on these intangible qualities, leadership, a belief that this person best represents us and is best able to lead us into a brighter future. now, obviously it is harder to do that, particularly when the

party controls at least one chamber of the commerngress but president obama said he was going to go to the country and make the case for his policies. when people don't think that you can get the job done and lead a majority of the country, that complicates such an effort. >> and susan page, when we talk about the next steps for the president, how does he bring this back? he wants to be talking about domestic things. he did manufacturing and an event in pittsburgh, he's been going out and raising money for the midterm elections. today there's the invention fair at the white house. but he's haunted and really -- buy iraq, iran, syria. good news on the capture of the benghazi suspect. >> the world is not cooperating with president obama's desire to focus on domestic events. of course, when you go to his ability to get things done, he

has less ability to get things done on the domestic stage than he would with the foreign stage because of his difficulties with congress and getting anything through congress. one of the things that is most distressing for the white house when you look at those dismal leadership issues, after six years as president, it's hard to change people's opinion about who you are and what you can do. it makes the last two years of his presidency more difficult if people do not have faith in his ability to lead and if that mean he doesn't have the ability to work his will to make members of congress, legislators, other players on the political scene do what he wants them to do. >> hillary clinton out on book tour has faced tough questions. she was on fox with greta and bret baer, very controlled and serious inquisition on benghazi and on cnn on christiane

amanpour. she made it clear that she did not agree with the president on arming so-called moderates in syria. >> i recommended that we do more at the beginning to support moderate opposition. >> should you have pushed harder? >> we pushed very hard but i believe that harry truman was right, the buck stops with the president and the president had very legitimate concerns. >> the poll numbers on hillary clinton showing that she's lost some of the aptitude as people begin to get more focus, perhaps, because of her book tour on the likely hoihood be running for president. 38%, probably or almost certain, 37%, no chance. and it's divided. >> first on the poll numbers,

you've got it exactly right. look, this book tour looks like hillary clinton for president campaign. everything in the last few months has suggested both publicly and privately that she's running so i think she's being viewed more through that lens. i think it's fascinating the attempt to differentiate difference between herself and president obama on some of these more thorny foreign policy issues. hillary clinton knows that she will be cast -- this is remarkable for someone who covered this race back in 2006, 2007, and 2008. particularly the negative legacies of president barack obama. somewhat it's remarkable and she recognizes it and it's why she is trying to say, hey, look, i had a lot of influence. i was secretary of state but i wasn't the president. i can't own all of those decisions. >> interestingly, susan page,

just to get a little bit in the weeds, some of the aides who are the most -- the toughest, you could say, on hillary clinton, the most loyal to barack obama, they had come out of that campaign, bitterly fought campaign, much more resistant to hillary clinton in the cabinet than the boss. and yet they are now helping her with the book tour. >> yeah. no question. but i would agree with chris that you see hillary clinton trying to distance herself on issues like syria, policy toward russia. but when you come to overall foreign policy, for instance, what -- this terrible news out of iraq now, what happens next in afghanistan with the withdrawal of the u.s. troops, it's hard to distance herself entirely. she was secretary of state for four years in the obama administration. like it or not, she's going to own a lot of obama administration foreign policy. >> yeah. you can't say you're a leader but, oh, well, i wasn't really in charge at the same time.

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give me a scenario where political reconciliation in baghdad has a snowball's chance of succeeding as long as they are losing on the battlefield. give me a scenario where the battlefield turns our way without u.s. air power. >> but lawmakers are sharply divided about what, if any, military options the president should take in iraq. west virginia senator joe manchin is joining me now. senator, welcome. it's good to see you. >> thanks for having me, andrea. >> our reporting is that the president has decided against air strikes other than what predator drones could do with

hell fire missiles, perhaps. against air strikes because the intelligence is not good enough. you've heard what lindsey graham said and john mccain today and i gather that you are against taking strong military action at this point involving the civil war. >> definitely the president has more information than i do or any of us in congress do. the bottom line is, if you don't have good intel, ground support, intel is hard to do and be as effective as you want to be without collateral damage. i understand that we're protecting our embassy and that's a responsibility that we have and that the president definitely has. i am not in any way, shape, or form supportive, andrea, and i think you know that, of putting troops back in there. it's a sectarian war. this is something that has been going on for centuries and all of a sudden we want to say peace to all. i don't think that's going to happen. if money or military might will

change that part of the world, andrea, we would have done it by now. we have given an awful lot and sacrificed our young men and women and basically the resources of our country that is needed back home. i think enough is enough. >> what are you hearing from back home? >> back home, we are a hockey state. you follow me? west virginia, we sign up, we have more veterans per capita. but you know, we are pretty commonsense and we're just saying enough is enough. the bottom line is, you are not going to change the sectarian mentality. it's not ideological, philosophical, or something that we understand as westerners. for us to try to get in there and change that culture, it won't happen. west virginia understands that. i'm not going to continue to try to keep pushing that genie back into the model. why we should throw more resources and lives at risk, it's not going to happen. our main purpose for making sure that it's not a breeding

ground -- now, if you think we have to have occupation to prevent that from having, we have more technology and special ops people that can do that, andrea. i don't think you have to have a permanent residence there and try to change the culture, which is what we've done for 12 to 13 years. >> what would you say to john mccain? let me show you what he said on the senate floor about half an hour ago. >> yeah. >> the administration and its defenders are now scrambling to pin the blame for this catastrophic failure on anyone but themselves. sp they are trying to blame the bush administration and the senator from south carolina for voting to authorize the war while conveniently for getting that the vice president biden, secretary of state, secretary of defense, his predecessor, secretary clinton and many other democrats still serving in this body voted for the war in iraq as well. >> i know that's preceded your

tenure in the senate when you were i guess a governor in west virginia, but where does this -- where does this political debate end with so much bitterness back and forth? the blame game over who lost iraq? >> where does the politics stop? >> republicans and democrats are trying to annihilate each other. to go in and say we're going to be our allies, it makes no sense whatsoever. they are going to continue to fight. they are going to try to annihilate each other. i want to make sure that's my main purpose and i think it was wrong to go to iraq and we

should have kept our eye on the terrorists that basically plotted and planned and did absolutely devastating harm to our country. now, it might have taken this to iraq eventually. but with that being said, forget about it. it's over. we have done that. you can't rebuy that real estate again. you just can't do it. they've got to have a will to fight and die. if they don't want a country that they are willing to fight and die for, then they are going to have a different country. we're not going to prevent that from happening, andrea. >> i want to ask you before you go whether the administration, whether the pentagon should be at least complicated -- complimented, excuse me -- for what the chairman of the joint chiefs martin dempsey described as a very complicated mission that took months of planning to grab that guy responsible, they say, the suspect, the key suspect from benghazi. >> here's the thing. i've heard the dialogue going back and forth on this gentleman that they apprehended about the benghazi attacks.

with that being said, it depends on do we want to nab him off the street? i'm sure they could have done that months and months ago. you want to build a case against him so we can prosecute this person and make him come to justice and put him to justice here in america and i think that's what has been done, that's what i've been informed on and if that's the case, we have a strong case against this man and he'll be prosecuted and justice will be done. >> joe manchin, thank you very much. the senator from west virginia. there were sparks on the other side of capitol hill as general motors mary barra faced questions about the faulty ignition switches that led to 13 deaths. panel members focused on the company's corporate culture. >> the director of vehicle safety in your department made decisions in 2004 about the stalling being a safety risk. did she ever share those findings with you? yes or no? >> no. >> and jim federico, a senior

executive, brought in solutions to the air bag situation in 2012. he knew about the problems and he reported directly to you. did he ever share his knowledge with you? yes or no? >> well, he reported directly to me at a portion of his time and then no longer reported -- >> did he ever tell you about these problems? >> no, he didn't. nbc's tom costello is joining me now. this, plus the heartbreaking testimony before the hearing of the families. >> that's right. >> this is a really grim picture for gm. >> it's absolutely horrendous. 13 known deaths but we have attorneys representing family members who think that they think the death toll could go into the hundreds. today, we heard mary barra, the ceo saying that ken feinberg will be determining how many people are compensated and how much they are compensated for either their injuries or because a loved one died in a car that had this ignition switch defect. but to the point of that

exchange that you just heard there on capitol hill, barra was asked repeatedly today did you have previous knowledge about this defect in any way were you advised in your career? keep in mind, she's only been the ceo since december or january but she's been with the company as an engineer for the better part of 30 years. she repeatedly said no. more on the cap, on the situation involving the compensation. she said today that there will be no cap, no cap on the amount of money that ken feinberg, the compensation attorney, will be allowed to distribute to those people who have been affected and she also said -- and this is important -- if somebody decides that they are going to take the compensation from mr. feinberg and he will determine how much, that they, therefore, will be waiving the criticism from the court. gm's attorneys continue to suggest that if somebody is going to try to sue them for a

defect, that they would stand behind the protections under the bankruptcy protection, under the bankruptcy clause. keep in mind that gm was in bankruptcy for much of this period of time and this would not be obligated to pay anyone for what happened to a cobalt. there is this underhanded push to encourage people to take the compensation, whatever it might be from mr. feinberg, not go to the courts because gm's own lawyers are going to fight them and claim that they have protection from bankruptcy. >> it seems to me like they've got to sort -- the families have got to get clear answers as to whether -- >> they don't know how much they are going to get and they don't know who is going to be getting that money. if, for example, you sat in the back seat of a car that had a terrible accident, would you be compensated? you weren't in the front seat. you didn't have air bag protection if the air bags didn't go off but you're still in an accident allegedly caused by a defect involving the

ignition switch. what if you're standing on the street corner and you get hit by a car that was one of those that had the defect? you you can see how this starts to snowball and deciding who gets compensated and then how much is going to be a big part of the equation. >> tom costello on the story, thank you so much. >> you bet. it's a very busy day here in washington for former congresswoman gabby giffords. she received the highest honor for community service. next hour she'll take part in a panel on gun violence and violence against women. and tonight she'll throw out the first pitch as women from congress take on the women from the news media. it is one of my favorite traditions here in washington to raise money for the young survivors' league. she played the first year of the game, dedicated to gabby. this is the ball that they all signed for her. she said that returning tonight to throw out the first pitch, i

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refugees. the international rescue community is joining me from iraq. thank you for taking the time to join me from erbil. how are you managing the influx of people? >> i mean, i believe that the situation is unfolding each day. the numbers that were reported coming across were 200 in one of the provinces, another 100 in erbil. most of the population has been kind of absorbed within the community. but we feel that within a week or two this will be unfolding and we will see a greater need coming out. we are concerned about what will happen not just with the idps run out of the resources but also what is happening within the isis-controlled territory. >> what kind of resources do you have in terms of food, water, medicine and medical facilities

for these people who have been internally displaced? >> yeah. so we're starting up our programming working in seven communities and we're focusing on protection, health, women protection activity as well as the cash assistance and water. and so basically we're looking at -- sorry. go ahead. >> you go ahead. please. >> so we're looking to work on both camp and on camp beneficiaries and idps and looking to target the most vulnerables of the vulnerables. >> are many of these women and children? >> yes, there are many women and children. and our focus group seems to be the -- most at risk. one of the stories that we're hearing is that some of the people left the mosul area because they wanted to protect their daughters from -- they

were saying honor. right now there are kidnapping, force early marriages or other things. >> you know, we just had this very high-profile effort by william haag in london , a week-long conference on preventing rape in conflicted areas and you've obviously seen it in the nigerian area with boko haram. this is one of the critical issues in this zone? >> it's an issue that needs to be addressed at that high level and there are lots of actors directing that for us. what we can do is have the centers available for the survivors or the idps, so they have a safe place to come and talk and seek protection. we're opening up a women's listening center. >> nora love, thank you for what you're doing there and we'll

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what i'm hoping to hear from the president today is the broader strategy for how we keep freedom that we paid dearly for the people of iraq. >> i do not support in any way putting our men and women in the midst of this civil war in iraq. it is not in the national security interests of our country. >> so which political story will make headlines in the next 24 hours? chris cillizza is joining us again. boehner and reid have complete division on what to do next. >> right. andrea, what you -- those two sound bites put on very stark display the challenge before both congressional leaders and president obama. if you look at the wide swath of public opinion on this, let's take a step outside of congress,

people do not want troops on the ground. they do not want us engaged in a foreign war in iraq. it's a war-weary public. at the same time, john boehner saying we can't give up what we built there is also somewhat a powerful argument. the problem is, there is no simple solution that binds those two together and i think that's the reality that the president and probably john boehner and harry reid and nancy pelosi and others who are going to be there will have to confront. >> president obama will be meeting with john kerry later this afternoon. this was kerry moments ago. >> all of us in this room are regrettably much too aware of how toxic washington has become. turn on the tv or the radio, pick up the newspaper and sometimes it's very difficult to

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