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warfare? nah. president bush did exactly the right thing in overthrowing saddam hussein. i'm not responsible for iraq today. that's because of what barack obama did. >> general petraeus had the conflict won thanks to the surge. we had the conflict won and we had a stable government. >> john mccain is right. we had that conflict won in 2009. i believe we have some footage of baghdad at the height of the surge. ♪ ♪ my little pony >> iraq is being torn apart. and it's partly from the outside. powers from all over the globe now pulling the strings. especially inside the region. iran propping up the shiite iraqi government. saudi and kuwaitis flowing in for the sunnis and now the u.s.
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>> the united states will continue to increase our support to iraqi security forces. american forces will not be returning to combat in iraq. but we will help iraqis as they take the fight to terrorists who threaten the iraqi people, the region and american interests as well. i want to emphasize, though, that the best and most effective response to a threat like isil will ultimately involve partnerships where local forces, like iraqis, take the lead. >> if there is an obama doctrine at this point, this seems to be it. build up local forces to spare our own the mess. the proxy forces can cause a whole lot of messes on their own. for instance, the entire state of the region currently. joining me to discuss, jim hines of connecticut, hogan gidley, karen finney and iraq war vet.
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first this big picture question. do you have concerned about the long-term implications of training and advising what it sounds like from the president could be a broad range of forces on the ground. >> i do have very profound concerns about the path that the president has outlined. look. bottom line, 300 advisers. we're now going to be coaching maliki's team. maliki, of course, a leader who has done all he can to stoke sectarian divisions and to stoke this sunni/shia civil war which is how the architects of iraq need to be thinking about this. this was not a win or lose proposition. when the united states was in iraq, we were able to tamp down this civil war. i fear the president is taking a side. >> it wouldn't be the first time we've taken a side. during the al anbar awakening, we did train and arm sunni tribesmen. we're now looking at this major
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sunni insurgency sweeping the country. where are those tribesmen we relied on then. any evidence as to whether they are a part of this current uprising? >> we were able to do that for two reasons. number one, al qaeda at the time overplayed their hands with their absolute brutality which turned off an awful lot of sunnis. it is a dynamic occurring today. and which will naturally occur as these isil crazies do what is natural for them to do. the other thing, we had a lot of people on the ground who could show up with money, training, weapons and that facilitated the awakening. we are not there now in a way to do this. to sort of join a team and, by the walker it's the opposite team of the team we're on in syria. in iraq today, we are supporting an iranian bad shiite leader against a sunni insurgency. 200 miles away supporting a sunny insurgency around a proxy shiite leader. there is not a lot of coherence in this strategy. >> do you think that collaboration of that kind with
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iran should be off the table? >> well, it depends on what you mean by of that kind. >> that is the million-dollar question. >> iran is still a dangerous place. but in this instance, just as we have an interest in continuing the discussion to make sure they don't achieve nuclear arms, we have an interest as they do in making sure that iraq does not turn into just a hugely violent cauldron. >> congressman jim himes, thank you. let's bring in republican strategist hogan kidley, karen finney and iraq war vet rye barcott. what specifically will they be doing on the ground? >> i think they'll be engaging first with the iraqi security forces and trying to get a sense of what's actually going on. they'll listen first. they'll try and understand what's transpiring. re-engage some of the context that the u.s. military made over ten years and cut through some of the chaos that always abounds
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in an insurgency and a war environment. >> karen, this idea of training and arming iraqi forces is a compromise measure of sorts. he's ghg but going in cautiously. do you thing president will be able to get away from these aczagss a accusations from hawks on the hill he's leading from behind? >> the military supported this concept of the light footprint. you have got these 300 special forces and they are going in to gather intelligence so we have a better sense of what's really going on on the ground. as we've talked about, it's very complicated. it's not as simple as a, b, c, d. this is the new reality in terms of how we need to engage in these wars. it's a cultural shift but recognizes two realities. number one, flooding the zone with a ton of troops is not practical. that wouldn't necessarily win the game for us. number two, there is a practical reality that the cost of doing this has increased, right? taxpayer dollars, lives, troops.
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americans won't accept a large incursion of forces on the ground. so some may call it a compromise. it's a wise military strategy the military has been looking at for a long time. >> i couldn't agree more on that in terms of general stance of caution. he seems to have learned a lesson in the way of history. the question is whether this approach of a proxy war he's been advocating first at west point and now in his latest comments is cautious enough. because of the long-term repercussions. hogan, another area the president tried have a middle of the road approach was in syria where he did want to act. there was that move to bring this to the hill. and then the hill did stymie that. now there are people saying we could have headed isis off if we acted in syria and earlier. does congress bear culpability for not doing that? >> look, i think there's a lot of coulda, woulda, shoulda. we got into the war. some people are blaming bush. some are blaming this president.
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the fact is we there were. we're trying to get out of there now. we have two enemies of the united states fighting each other and killing each other. regard lgs of what you think about the president or his policy, the president did get a lot of ground cover for lack of a better word, phrase today, or the other day from david petraeus. he came out and endorsed what the president was saying. and a lot of republicans are conflicted on this issue because so many hawks on the hill want to go in and so many are more dovish because they are reading the writing on the wall, which is america is a war weary nation right now and does not want to get involved into another 30-year conflict. >> you are exactly right it's a much more bipartisan issue than we've seen before. people are divided. but not divided along clean party lines. most people seem to care about what the military perspective is. rye, you've been in the theater of war. how worried should america be
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about those forces coming back to bite us in the future? >> well, i think there's a real limit to what we can do t effect foreign forces. we've invested a lot of material, a lot of time and a lot of blood and sweat. and one thing, though, is sure. and that is that as soon as the sunni tribes if the sunni tribes decide they're going to be able to integrate back into the political process, then isl, or isis, whatever they become, will be finished. and so like most insurgencies, this is principally a economic question and less so a military one. the military can only be involved in supporting the assistance. >> it's also an intelligence question, right? and the president has talked about something about a black hole around our understanding of isis. we have to get more intel before we go i further. fair point certainly. how significant do you think the need for, not just the kinds of aerial and surrounding
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intelligence apparatus we're putting in place but human intelligence. you've been on the ground specifically working on this in iraq. are we going to have to do some of that hands-on intelligence gathering? >> it's the bread and butter. where that uncertainty abounds. >> and, karen, if the president goes ahead with greater, at least conversation with potentially collaboration with iran, how politically contentious is that going to be? >> it's going to be politically contentious. that doesn't mean it's not going to be the right thing to do. and part of this idea of intelligence gathering, it's very easy on the political front to sort of demonize and have this one political conversation without the real depth of understanding of what we're talking about in terms of what's really happening on the ground in syria, what's happening on the ground in iraq. so i think it's maybe a political hit that the white house will have to take and yet that doesn't mean it won't diplomatally be the right thing
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to do. in syria, some of the people we're engaging with and some of the people we have engaged with are people who are groups that in other parts of the world, are people that we're fighting. this is creating very bizarre and differing alliances. >> and hogan, what do you think of this political question about iran. is it worth the political sacrifice? >> it may have to be. karen brings up an important point. >> the fact we're even talking about iran again is, as an ally is hilarious because they are not our friend. they are a terrorist nation in essence. what we're talking about is a group of insurgents, isis, taking over syria, up the euphrates to turkey, bordering on europe. i just heard this morning they were talking about this militant group had taken over a chemical weapons depot. what does that mean for some of our allies. the fact remains we need to protect our own nation, our own interests here and i'm not sure if that involves intervention at this point. >> terrorist nation. tell us how you really feel. thanks to all of you for those insights. and up next, we're going to
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continue to look at this subject. the crisis in the middle east, but particularly, this iran question, which is so contentious. and we have a very special guest. british foreign secretary william hague. stay with us for that. ♪ ♪ yeah ♪ don't stop now, come on mony ♪ come on, yeah ♪ i say yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ 'cause you make me feel ♪ like a pony ♪ so good ♪ like a pony ♪ so good ♪ like a pony [ male announcer ] the sentra with bose audio and nissanconnect technology. spread your joy. nissan. innovation that excites. ♪ mony mony
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could the way out of iraq's turmoil be through iran. just this week, british foreign secretary william hague announced he's going to reopen the british embassy in tehran. interesting timing, right? i sat down for a one on one interview with the foreign secretary and asked him is that just down to iran's new more conciliatory leadership or is it actually a quiet bartering chip, a way to enlist that country in today's international challenges where they alone seem to have
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reach, including in iraq. >> we have to be able to discuss things with iran. and we did always have an embassy there until 2 1/2 years ago when i had to close it after the invasion of our embassy compound. our main concern has been having an embassy that could operate properly where we have assurances from the iranians than an embassy can operate and its staff will be safe. we've had many discussions with them about that over recent months. so i fieel now we are able to sy we will reopen the embassy. we'll do that in quite a smaller, limited way at first and build it up over time if our confidence builds up. but, of course, we need to be able to discuss with iran what is happening in iraq, what is happening in afghanistan. and the nuclear negotiations. this is -- >> on that nuclear subject that just started drafting this nuclear agreement, do you think that the reopening of the embassy will help spur maybe meeting that deadline in july? >> i don't think the opening of the embassy is going to have an
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immediate impact on that. after all, i am saying here the embassy will reopen. it hasn't opened yet. it will open in the -- i hope in the coming weeks subject to some further detail work with the iranians. but very important negotiations are taking place. as you say, the opening of the embassy, it doesn't indicate any change in our approach to that. we have to see a more realistic approach from iran to the nuclear negotiations in order to be able to reach an agreement. and we are working hard on that now. >> foreign secretary, do you think they'll make that july 20th deadline for a comprehensive agreement? >> well, it's tough. these negotiations are tough. but, of course, we found when we made the interim deal with iran last november that even though they were tough in the end, we were able to bring them to an agreement, an agreement that even six months before that would have been very hard to imagine. so at the moment, the bottom
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lines are still quite a long way apart, i think. but there will be a big diplomatic effort over the coming weeks. there is provision in our interim deal to go further than july 20th to have another six-month deal. but i don't think you will get any easier as time goes on. so very serious effort has to be made for the 20th of july. >> david cameron warned isis militants that are now wreaking havoc in iraq obviously are the greatest threat to britain. what do you think the greatest threat to britain is? >> in terms of terrorist threat to our national security, the return of people from syria and iraq to the uk. the same for other european countries as well. is the most immediate and direct threat to our national security. we will be very vigilant in guarding against that. we've already had 65 arrests in this country since the beginning of last year associated with people traveling to syria.
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we've had successful prosecutions. we've removed the passports of some people who have been trying to travel there. so we won't hesitate to take the necessary measures to defend our national security and, indeed, that of our allies. >> last question, foreign secretary. you had a very close relationship with hillary clinton. she talks about it in her book, very flattering about you. do you think she should run for president? >> i think that's entirely up to her. of course, i have a very high opinion of her after the couple of years working with her. but i think i have enough as british foreign secretary without interfering in the politics of the united states. that's up to americans. >> always the consummate diplomat that one. the foreign secretary has been in the news for stick with his duties co-hosting a first of its kind sumit to end sexual violence in conflict. he did so even as the crisis in iraq was unfolding. that's a decision some criticized with the images all
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week of him hobnob with actress and u.n. envoy angelina jolie. but if world leaders aren't going to make the tough call to focus on this long-term goal of defending women against sexual violence, when is it ever going to be a priority. for the conclusion of this week's call to action, i asked the foreign secretary whether this summit has any chance of producing real results when so many end with -- >> i hope the outcomes are going to be different. yes, certain countries came to the summit with very clear action plans. for instance, somalia, which is a country that has experienced terrible sexual violence in the conflicts of the last 20 years. came to the summit with a detailed plan and their government committed to it. so, of course, we will be expecting them to implement that plan and many other countries to adopt the measures that they have agreed to. i entirely recognize it. that is going to be a challenge, but it's the next part of this immense task of dealing with sexual violence and conflict. we've brought the world together
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at a summit. i think very successfully. and i hope now we've got some unstoppable momentum behind this to make sure that countries really do what they've promised to do. and if they do it will make a big difference. >> one critique that's come in the way of this summit is we heard from several people, including human rights watch official, who was at the summit. that there was a lot of focus on prosecution and not enough on getting services to survivors. did you think that's a fair assessment? >> it was all there in the summit, including services to survivors. i announced another $10 million of support from the united kingdom to help survivors. and that money will go to the international trust fund for victims. to ngos who care for survivors. some other countries made commitments about care for survivors as well. we will have to do a lot more on that subject as well. but it wasn't missing from the summit. i think that was so much that we were deal with at the summit. the international protocol. plans from specific countries.
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improved attention to survivors and changing global attitudes. there was so much that was going on that not everybody got to see all of what was going on. but that's a very important part of our work. >> certainly a lot to wrestle with. >> one of the most interesting things angelina jolie mentioned is the role men need to play in ending sexual violence in conflict. she mentioned the stand you are making on this. what role do you think men need to play. >> i think we men have a big role to play. it's our responsibility to -- in all of these crimes, men are responsible for. and so we have to take a lead. both in making sure that governments take action, most governments in the world are led by men. most foreign ministers in the world are men. so we have a particular responsibility to lead the way on this. but it's also important, i think, in changing the attitudes of men all over the world.
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persuading a new generation that it's only a week and cowardly and inadequate men who abuses and attacks vulnerable people, including women. and a real man, as it were, a man who is fulfilling his responsibilities in the world protects those people. i think that is the attitude we have to create all over the world. >> you dismissed as ridiculous some of the blowbecome that you've gotten in recent days for spending several days with a movie star at a summit like this while there were very pressing foreign policy challenges emerging, while iraq was falling to pieces. do you stand by the decision to focus on this long-term issue even in the face of these urgent crises? >> oh, absolutely because it's crucial to deal with the long-term issues. this is one of the issues. sexual violence in conflict is one of the issues we have to deal with to prevent future conflicts. and we must never take our eyes
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away from that. otherwise, of course, we will just find we're deal with an ever-increasing number of short-term crises. and that we are completely surrounded by those things. we have to take the long-term conflict prevention approach. this is part of that. imagine what it does when one community has committed mass war zone rape against a neighboring community. imagine how much more difficult it makes them to have peace between them. imagine how much more likely it makes conflict between them or their countries in the future. so we have to always keep on with the long-term issues, whatever the short-term pressures. >> thanks to secretary william hague. thank you to all of you for chiming in on this week's call to action. we asked you to join the u.n.'s initiative to get cross and end sexual violence as a weapon of war. you took photos of yourself showing that cross arm symbol they asked for and headed to our website to add to to the u.n.'s global photo map.
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here's mine. your responses have been really great. penaltied for sexual violence must be toughened asap. david told us he applauds our mission. david, we applaud you. the marine said, quote, we have to get men to see women as human. amen. and just ahead on "rf daily," does this man look like a law breaker or a heart breaker. we'll explain why this picture is flooding through social media. a lot of women twittering now. after the break, find out all the details.
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gaze and strangely flattering lighting in the precinct. what happens then? in the case of jeremy meeks of stockton, california, your picture will end up with almost 61,000 facebook likes. nearly 18,000 comments and more than 7,000 facebook shares and counting. and we're looking at lots and lots of ladies tweeting here. i had to bring in karen finney again. explain this to me. >> of course. >> this prompted so much conversation on the team. i think one user made the point aptly on twitter. he photo shopped his image on to calvin klein, hugo bos, givenchy ads. >> never mind those five weapons charges. >> five weapons charges, one gang charge. one of the most violent criminals in the area. there was one viewer who was like, if he broke into my home,
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i wouldn't know what to do. would i be really afraid or just really happy. >> here's the thing i have to tell you. a couple people who used to work on my team had worked on lockup and apparently, a number of times after "lockup," that airs here on msnbc, they would get calls from women trying to find some of the men who were featured in the program. so, i mean, you got to figure, i guess he's being arraigned this afternoon. probably a lot of women down at the courthouse. there's something -- this is like the bad boy lust gone astray. i'm not sure. he's hot, but -- >> to women out there hankering if bad boys if you will, how do you put a stop to this. this is not okay. >> stay away from the bad boys. there's a reason that this guy has been arrested. hottie or not. can i say one thing? no one is more hot than you. i just feel like i have to say that. >> karen finney, back at you. this is a weird, wonderful
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segment. i appreciate your joining me for it. of course, this is going viral. we're also looking all week long at the stories that people at home want to bring to us. and think we should be reporting on more. this week, people voted for, in third place with 19% of the vote -- the domestic use of commercial drones. amazon, can't wait for it. 24% of the vote, the number of vanished workers in syria. and this week's winner, 57% of the vote, proof that people do care about stuff that matters. you guys all wanted more coverage of the conditions from working children, particularly farming tobacco in some southern states. we'll bring you that story next week. karen, thank you for sticking around for that. come back soon. >> any time you want to talk about hottie ronan, i'm here for you. ahead on "rf daily," trying to recruit prospects for your terrorist organization? there is an app for that it turns out. or at least there was. surprising story of the social
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when u.s. forces last went to iraq, myspace was the next big thing in social media. remember tom was everyone's friend. hey, tom. haven't seen you in a while. as president obama now contemplates action in that country again, the battle isn't only in iraq. it's online as well. sunni militants are coordinating a pretty astonishing social media offensive from wait toer to mobile apps. this week, they launched a youtube video that features british and australian fighters appealing to western muslims to join their jihad. nbc news hasn't independently verified that video, but it is causing waves. so how is social media reshaping the field of battle? clay is an nyu professor who specializes in these technology questions. clay, thank you for joining us.
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>> thanks for having me. >> one of the most interesting aspects is isis was using an app called dawn to allow users to keep up with their news and it would put tweets to skirt the algorithm that usually stops that kind of spam. then google took it down. it seems to be down from the app shop now. >> this is a really complicated question. in the short term the tactical response is get rid of it. do whatever you need to get rid of it. yet over the long term, one of the things we've learned is that when there is a social media environment, people can also push back against isis. isis has run into trouble in some of the bulletin boards, in and around syria because there are two sunni insurgent groups. and they are struggling with each other. so there are kinds of content you want to take down. but you don't, i think, want to say there are certain groups
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that are not allowed to speak in public because in a way it gives them to a propaganda tool. >> it's a tough question. twitter has suspended a bunch of accounts from people claiming to represent isis. and there are blowback and pieces of blowback in some of these cases where social media companies are accused of stifling free speech. how do you walk the line there? >> what these companies are trying to do is to write a set of terms that say you can't use this for intentionally horrifying material. there are certain kinds of expression that if you do them ploer th more than once, we're going to -- >> inciting violence. >> right. >> there some are who think that conflict could have been stopped if we silenced those radio posts urging them to kill. >> there was a debate about whether or not social media would become politically important. that's been settled because anything that coordinates a group of people is inherently political. on the other hand, the
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short-term attempts to control the media environment of tactical battle space often end up creating a kind of blowback that you don't want to have to dig yourself out from under. so google and twitter seem to be saying we're going to craft a set of standards that will let us keep this material off. but if there is political speech between isis, al qaeda, the assad government and so forth, that's going to unfold. this was joe biden's point about partitioning the country. that's going to unfold. what we support a place you can have the political conversations without having it be a vectsor for terror. >> you mentioned self-policing. the crowds can respond. sometimes you want to keep the conversation open so that you can have that pushback. have you seen any successful examples of that? what would you say to people at home who want to join that conversation and push back against hatred, against terror? >> there have been lots and lots of solidarity movements.
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one of the issues now is that any kind of western solidarity is not only -- not affected by likely to be counterproductive. the people who -- the people likely to be terrorized by this are the sunni in southern syria, northern iraq who suddenly find themselves living under a very rigorous interpretation of scharia. they need some space to say this is not the government we want. and if as the iraqi government has done you just block out five provinces worth of internet service -- >> that can be counterproductive. stick around, we're going to have you weigh in on manage very colorful and very different next. animal sacrifice. magic. spells. we're going to take you inside a voodoo ceremony in haiti where over two-thirds of the population practices religion. it's our world unseen, next. . that's keeping you from the healthcare you deserve. at humana, we believe if healthcare changes,
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lindsey snell that vocativ producer. that was incredibly intense experience. youed so you were in there for two hours. they were obviously asking this huge price for their further exorcism of your curse but they did really nail your mother's illness down to the last detail. whether that's through empathy or whatever else, any sense in which it's worth the price of admission? >> it might be. it was chilling. the first thing she said is your mother is sick. and my mother is sick with what she said. breathing trouble. she's in the hospital. definitely set the tone. it might be worth it. >> would you recommend it to a friend. >> absolutely not. >> you said in the break you couldn't wait to get out of there. >> and your still cursed? >> technically, i'm still cursed. >> thank you for bringing your curse here. >> you're welcome. >> we went online to search for voodoo groups. your specialty is online use of tech for some of these fringe groups. we were actually surprised. we didn't find a big community. we found a few start-up facebook groups. with so many millions of people
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who practice this religion why do you think it hasn't found a foot hold online? >> it's interesting and also true of the groups we were talking about before. very often there are password protected environments in which in the same way that people worship inside buildings rather than out in the street. if it is not a proselytizing religion, people will gather in e-mail lists and bulletin boards. the publicness or privateness of any group is reflected in their use of social media. not everybody goes to facebook first crack out of the box. >> and for people who want to find out more about this, where do they go? >> haiti. they go to haiti. haiti is the epicenter of it. i hope you're not cursed. thank you both for joining us. it's a fascinating topic. thank you to vocativ for bringing us that. ahead on "rfd," another interesting, somewhat unexpected topic. we all judge society by how it treats its children or we're
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wait a minute. first of all, it is too hot, all right? if you think i'm going to let you get some, put your clothes on, and leave here and not see you for another week, you must be bugging. >> i'll see you tomorrow. >> yeah, right. >> that is the irresistible rosie perez in "do the right thing." that film, of course, gave this oscar nominated actress her first role on screen. she's here to spread awareness about a very important fight you might not expect her to be in on. inequality. specifically, an effort to close the inequality gap in school. she thinks arts can be the answer.
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she's joined by by the director of the organization she's working with to pull this off. tell us why you came to this issue. you're someone who cares about kids, but why specifically this issue of inequality and the education gap? >> because i was one of those kids. you know, i was ignored. i was thought less than just because i was born into a certain economic situation that i had absolutely no control over. because i'm of color. because i had an accent. and i wasn't given a fair chance. and that's why it's very important to me. all these kids are very, very capable. all they need is opportunity. and the antiquated school system has to change, and we've been doing that for the past 22 years. and also what is a factor is the economic issue of if you were born in a certain tax bracket, you don't get privy to a certain type of education. and it just happens to be most of those kids in that lower tax bracket are of color.
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so it's a double whammy for them they have to deal with. listen, these kids come to school. just getting to school is such an emotional effort for them. you know, some of them it's an emotional crisis for them. by the time they get there, they're tuned out. we need to change things to get them back in, back plugged in. and we can do that through the arts. we do that through the arts. we've seen kids turn around like crazy. just by paying attention to them and providing them a different way of learning. >> one of the specific things you're doing right now, philip, is this 24-hour event in hollywood. tell us about that. >> it's 24 actors, great actors, well-known celebrity actors, six writers, and six directors. we have a couple graduates from artez high school up in the san fernando valley. they're going to be acting in those plays with those professional actors. really sort of getting a chance of a lifetime. >> rosie, one of the categories of children that have it hardest in terms of access to education are, of course, the undocumented
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children around the country. we've been seeing these brutal images of immigrant children flooding over the border unattended and now held in makeshift facilities around the country. what's your reaction to those images? >> it's heartbreaking. you know, everyone is acting as if this is something new. this has been going on for a very, very, very long time. it's just that now it's getting the attention it deserves. and you think about these kids. they're in detention centers. they're in prison-like settings. what are the repercussions of that? it's not a child's fault they're born into a certain situation, and they should not be penalized for it. seeing those kids being placed into detention centers is just a terrible crime. and a terrible embarrassment for the united states. >> well, i hope that principled stand is heard around the country. good luck with this 24-hour event. it's important. >> thank you. >> thanks for having us. and that wraps things up for today's edition of "rf daily." thank you all for joining me.
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