cleric calls for the ouster of the prime minister in hopes of unifying the country. 300 special forces come on top of 275 that were announced earlier this week. their role is to advise iraqi armed forces both in baghdad and in the far north of the country. in announcing their deployment on thursday, president obama appeared to all but shut the door on u.s. air strikes to support iraq's much maligned army. that would make iraq solely responsible for the sort of strikes you see right here on sunday, at least until its government ends the starkly sectarian policies that helped cause this civil war in the first place. on that point today, iraq's most influential shiite cleric appeared to agree that the country's prime minister is part of the problem, saying via spokesman, that the nation needs a government that enjoys broad national support. nbc's ayman mohyeldin is following developments on the ground in iraq. ayman, thank you so much for joining us. how are iraqis reacting to the

american announcement of 300 military advisers there? >> reporter: well, krystal, i think there's been mixed reaction coming in from different sets of iraq si socie -- iraqi society. we're here in the kurdish reason. yesterday i was with special forces when the announcement came that president obama had made his decision about the deployment of troops and not following through with air strikes. i can tell you they were not happy about that. they were not necessarily upset with the decision of advisers, but they were critical of the u.s. deciding not to provide any type of military support, particularly air strikes. they feel particularly the kurds because they have been fighting on the ground that they really need that air support and air cover if they want to change the momentum of the fighters on the ground to get isis back on their heels and perhaps completely obliterate them. but there's no doubt that they were disappointed. other, however, particularly sunni arabs, say that's a good decision. they don't want to see any type

of foreign military intervention in this country. some of the more hardline elements like isis and some of their allies have been saying that if the united states were to reengage or perhaps get in this fight one more time, even with air strikes, they would become legitimate targets, and they know very well in their own words what happened to the american when is they were in iraq. it's mixed reaction depending on the different camps you ask across the board. >> and ayman, is prime minister maliki coming under political pressure from folks within his own party there in iraq? >> absolutely. he's coming under tremendous amount of pressure from all walks of life. as you mentioned, even from the country's highest religious authority, expressing a lack of confidence in his government or his national -- his ability to lead nationally across political consensus. but, yes, within the government and within the political -- broader political framework, a lot of people are questioning, well, who can we get to replace maliki? keep in mind his party won the largest amount of seats in parliament.

they don't have an overwhelming majority, but they have large enough seats to at least have the right to decide who is the next prime minister. if his own party ousts him, that is going to be a significant setback. right now they're still standing behind him and haven't made that decision. but it certainly could come in the wake of all of this mounting pressure on him. >> all right. nbc's ayman mohyeldin, thank you so much. goldie taylor, marine vet, and aaron david miller, vice president and distinguished scholar at the woodrow wilson international center. he also served as middle east negotiator. they both join me now. goldie, i wanted to start with you on this idea the president says we're not sending combat forces, we're sending 300 special forces green beret military advisers. when you were there on the ground in a place like iraq, is there a meaningful distinction between being an adviser and facing combat-type situations? >> well, in fact, there is a distinction. the distinction is we don't have the intelligence necessary to understand what kind of

deployment we need, whether it's boots on the ground, which i don't believe, or whether it's air strikes or targeted drone strikes. we don't understand, you know, really what the intelligence is, and we can't take the iraqi government's word for it because we're putting our assets and our soldiers and marines in harm's way. so at the end of the day, we've got to get our eyes and ears on the ground and in the air and understand really what the lay of the land is and develop our, you know, targets for ourselves and figure out how we can truly support this government in terms of creating a unified government. military intervention may not be necessary at all. this is really time for the strong arm of diplomacy to take root and see what happens with that first. >> well, and some are saying that it's important to have those folks on the ground, particularly if you want to launch drone strikes. they provide the intelligence that you need to have targets on the ground. aaron, you've been writing about sort of reading between the lines of what the president said yesterday at his press conference. i thought this was a great quote. you said, what he said was, american forces will not be returning to combat in iraq.

what he was really thinking is, if you think i'm getting involved in another trillion-dollar social science experiment to intercede in iraq, you're crazy. i'm the extricator in chief. i get america out of unwinnable wars, not into them. if you wanted one of those, you should have voted for john mccain. >> yeah, i mean, i voted for democrats and republicans. i work for half a dozen secretaries of states, democrats and republicans. it wasn't intended as a partisan comment. it's simply a reflection of the reality. we cannot put humpty dumpty back together again. iraq is hostage to what it is and the almost impossible task of putting together a government that's going to have the confidence of the vast majority of iraqis. and iraq is hostage to its joograpjo geograp geography.

so the president's options, it seems to me, are very bad. >> yes. >> but the reality is you are going to need a better political deal than the one you have right now. and military action designed to accomplish a set of objectives over time without that political settlement is simply going to take us to -- it'll become an end in itself and frankly it's going to become a dead end. so yeah, diplomacy is really important. we just have to keep our expectations really low. >> so aaron, are you critical then of even sending these 300 special forces military advisers for potentially drone strikes down the road? >> no, because i think the president was under tremendous political pressure. and you now have something quite new. you have an al qaeda-inspired organization which has

transformed itself and has spread across and over the border of one state into another. so you have the very real possibility of an organization like isis, now with access to money, playing on the vastest affection of many sunnis in iraq that don't even share its ideology but can't stand the shia or maliki, of creating a base of sanctuary. so the president is ultimately looking at isis as a threat to our national interests. so, no, he was under tremendous pressure to do something, and he came up with what i call the goldie locks approach. not too hot and not too cold. i don't think it's going to be vietnam. it's not a slippery slope. this guy is determined to avoid major american intervention. >> well, and goldie, we've heard a lot from the john mccain, lindsay grahams of the republican party. we hadn't heard a lot from the more libertarian wing.

rand paul finally spoke out. let's hear what he had to say. >> what's going on now, i don't blame on president obama. has he really got the solution? maybe there is no solution. >> maybe there is no solution. i mean, goldie, is it possible that -- to my eyes, a military solution is out of the question, not going to be helpful anyway. what the president's hoping for, i think what we're all hoping for, is a political solution that can bring the sunnis, the shias, and the kurds together somehow. is that even a realistic possibility? >> you know, we should be looking at a political answer here. and what has to happen, what we need to have happen is for a political decision to take root an you have a more unified government, or as some of my colleagues are speaking about today, you know, maybe it's time iraq is broken up by its sectors rather than trying to unify very dispaired audiences who have been disunified over centuries. so i think that the political answer really is the right one here. whether or not military means are useful later on, you know,

that really depends on how our personal interests here in the u.s. come into harm's way. what we don't want is an isis-backed government who are hell bent on doing damage in the middle east and possibly in our own borders. at the same time, we can't strip people who are living in iraq of their own agency, to their own right to self-governance. they're a sovereign nation. we need to help them stabilize that sovereign nation. >> yeah, i think that's so well put. we can help where we can, but it's up to them to forge a peace that's going to work. aaron david miller and goldie taylor, thank you so much. coming up, immigration officials try to figure out what to do with the kids stuck at the border. but first -- >> people can say or do whatever they want. >> wisconsin governor scott walker is under fire after new documents are released involving what prosecutors are calling

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about all the money in politics, but it is no laughing matter for wisconsin governor scott walker. the question now is during his 2012 recall election, did walker act so brazenly as to break campaign finance laws? that's exactly, in fact, what prosecutors allege. those wisconsin prosecutors say walker was part of a, quote, criminal scheme to violate election laws. no charges have been filed against walker, who is up for a second term this fall. newly released court documents allege that walker illegally coordinated fundraising activities with outside groups, including wisconsin club for growth, and karl rove's crossroads. among the documents is an e-mail from walker to karl rove where he mentions adviser rj's role. bottom line, rj helps keep in place a team that's wildly successful in wisconsin. we're running nine recall elections, and it will be like running nine congressional markets in every market in the

state and twin cities. the irony of this whole thing is that a conservative group, wisconsin club for growth, in essence caused these documents to become unsealed. they came out as part of a lawsuit by that group trying to hold off an investigation into campaign finance allegations. whoops. walker had this to say about the case. >> i ask people to look at the facts. the facts are pretty clear. a judge at the state and federal level made it clear they didn't buy into this argument. they said to move on. >> scott ross is executive director of one wisconsin now. it's a group that's fighting for economic equality there in wisconsin. scott, you are there in madison. tell us, how's the story playing on the ground? >> well, krystal, it is wall-to-wall news coverage here about what you said, a criminal scheme involving our governor, scott walker, related to illegal coordination, fundraising, and spending amongst a network a

nationwide network of right-wing organizations to specifically avoid campaign finance laws. so it is playing all over the place. governor walker is in full-spin mode. >> obviously governor walker and the reason why this is such a big nationwide story is not just because of the drama around the recall elections there and his aggressive tactics against unions, among other things, but also because he's been talked about as a big 2016 contender, a sort of top-tier contender there. is he going to be able to even get re-elected in wisconsin given this news? the latest polls have him tied there with his democratic opponent, mary burke. >> well, i'll tell you, it's twofold. first, i'd say, you know, when you have a media day where the better news would have been the other story out of wisconsin, which is that new job numbers say wisconsin is dead last in the midwest, when that would be a better story for you, you're having a bad media day. second, we always assume that the reason the right-wing organizations and scout walker during the recalls had $80 million to spend was simply

because there was a lot of interest in walker becoming a national figure. well, turns out the reason they were able to do that is because they are all working in cahoots in a potentially illegal scheme to make sure as much money came into the state as possible to help support governor walker. >> that's right. and how is governor walker viewed outside of these investigations? you mentioned the fact that new report out, wisconsin 37th nationwide in job creation. that's obviously not a great result there. were people already having doubts about him, or is the electorate there so polarized that there are essentially no undecided voters, folks already in either camp? >> well, i think there's probably a small segment of undecided voters. you know, the people of wisconsin have had to endure governor walker's corruption and incompetence for the last four years. this may be the straw that broke the camel's back. when you have the republican prosecutor saying your governor is involved in a, quote, criminal scheme, that's pretty damning. campaigns are campaigns. we'll have to see what happens

come november. but these are real bad signs for the governor. you know, he'd rather be talking obviously about other things. he certainly has responded very quickly. today a $250,000 statewide negative media went up. >> and we should just point out charges have not been filed in this case. legal status very much unclear right now. but the political damage, i think it's already clear that voters are responding to this. it's in the news. on the flip side, though, democratic candidate mary burke, she's been sort of moderate in her tone. she hasn't taken a strong stance in terms of the actions governor walker took on collective bargaining with unions there in wisconsin, which were essentially what led to the recall election. is she generating enough excitement in the democratic base to be a real contender in november? >> well, for one, i hear it sounds like her focus on education, on job creation, on her private sector experience,

and certainly being the first candidate in the nation to come out as a governor in favor of refinancing student loans, i think are all good signs for mary burke if she wants to become governor of the state of wisconsin. those are the things people tend to focus on in elections. education and job creation, that sort of thing. you know, i think that the question is, you know, for governor walker, has he answered everything that needs to be answered regarding this investigation? but has he also answered one very important question, is this still going on? and until he answers that question, i think people will still want to know. why, you know, has this scheme continued? and if it hasn't, is that an admission you knew what was going on was wrong? >> well, it's a fascinating time, obviously. scott walker not the first 2016 hopeful to be potentially taken down by allegations of wrongdoing. scott ross, thank you for helping us understand this story. and now a funny moment from today's otherwise tense house hearing into the ongoing allegations of partisan politics over at the irs. it was recently learned that the

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were faced with an influx of poor and mostly undocumented hispani hispanics. what followed was a stop-and-frisk law. in describing the national lessons that could be learned from one community's fight, this washington post article from last year reports, the 2007 ordinance transformed the county into an ideological war zone, sparking boycotts and threats and them tig out entire residential streets. over the past seven years, prince william county has managed to heal some of the wounds from that immigration battle. but right now about 200 miles south, a new challenge to the nation's broken immigration system is playing out right in the small farming town of lawrenceville, virginia. last night hundreds of residents filled the brunswick county high school auditorium and took out their frustration on federal officials over a deal to house thousands of undocumented minors at one of the nation's -- minors, rather, at one of the nation's oldest historically

black colleges, currently empty. moments ago, the associate the press reported the u.s. has scrapped its plans in lawrenceville. you were at last night's town meeting in lawrenceville. eric, thank you so much for being with us and helping us understand the human dimension of this story. i thought of you right away when we started seeing the news out of lawrenceville and the community backlash. it reminded me -- i'm from virginia -- very much of what you documented in prince william county. did you feel a similar sentiment from the residents there in lawrenceville? >> it certainly was similar, and thanks for having me, krystal. >> of course. >> there's a lot of differences, though. i mean, the immigration law in prince william county required the police to check immigration status basically on appearance.

so there was constitutional issues. there were certainly public safety issues. crime went up as a result of this policy. it had a devastating economic impact. so you had this anti-immigrant sort of sentiment supporting a policy that was clearly a bad policy. in this case, you have the chancellor for st. paul's college signing an agreement with the federal government without letting the public know, without even letting the public officials who are supposed to represent the community know. so there was already, i think, a tendency to assume the worst because it seemed to be doing some sort of back-room deal. what emerged last night was a lot of people who had a lot of suspicion toward the federal government and i think some negative feelings about immigration, about our border to the south. so those people who felt -- they were the ones who felt most comfortable speaking. i think those people who might have been able to defend the program remain eed silent for t most part because they couldn't defend this process. >> eric, i want to note the news

today. jo joe biden is in guatemala today meeting with the president as well as other central american leaders. so there's movement to deal with the issue in some sort of way. obviously, the administration trying to show that they're paying attention to the problem, that they're trying to come up with solutions. in the meantime, locations like lawrenceville are caught in the crosshairs. what's interesting to me is i looked at the demographics of the town. i looked at its voting history. it's actually a democratic area. it went for president obama by over 60%. it's a majority african-american community. so this is an issue that really enflamed sentiments across partisan lines. >> it certainly can be made into that kind of an issue. i think that the cross section that showed up last night are those people who probably already were upset about government or about immigration. >> what were the demographics like at the meeting that you

attended? >> i'd say it was 60% white, actually. maybe more. there were a lot of african-americans, very few latinos. only two people that i saw spoke in favor of the program. both from a religious perspective but also they're saying, well, this money is already earmarked, why not have it come to our community? but nobody wanted to hear that. i'm not surprised at all that they scrapped the program. it was overwhelmingly -- i mean, it was -- it was a little disturbing, honestly, because things would be said that were quite hateful, and they would get cheers. >> what sorts of things? >> for instance, that these children should be put in a prison instead. they also have a defunct prison that's next door to the abandoned college. or that they might have diseases that we would catch as a result of having to -- the fire chief said, i don't want to go and put out a fire there because i might

catch a disease from these children and bring it back to my children. >> wow. >> so there were things that, you know, i want to say as a virginiaen -- we're both virginian, krystal. if you surprise a community in this way, where there's so much climate and frustration and our congress is unable to take action to solve our immigration problem to meet the demands of a growing economy so we can have an immigration process that would allow us to grow. there's so much us frfrustratio. in any part of the country where you have a sudden announcement that the federal government has made a deal with this private college to bring this program here, you probably would find the anti-government and anti-immigrant sentiment well up anywhere in the country. >> well, and to that point, there's been a backlash on the president's handling of this, not just from republicans, but also democrats. some democrats are critical of the president's approach on immigration. he's been called the deporter in

chief by some immigration activists. congressman luis gutierrez is out with a statement in response to the president saying that they're going to take action on further enforcement on the borders. the congressman said he does not support the idea of putting children and families fleeing violence in detention while they await our courts to catch up to the current crisis. i mean, is there any sense of what a solution could be here? >> well, i think the solution is clear. we need to open up our immigration system to meet the demands of a growing economy. all the countries that participated in world war ii had a baby boom. all those countries, russia, japan, they have the same problem we do. we have a ratio of retirees to workers that's just too big. our health care, social security, all these deficit, debt things we're talking about, that could be solved if we had a labor force that was growing rather than shrinking in relationship to our retirees. we're supposed to be the nation of immigrants. we should have an advantage over all those countries. we should be welcoming people

here. we shouldn't be dividing families, and we shouldn't have these very expensive programs that are designed to step in when families are divided. it's just a complete mess. and i think unfortunately congress -- parts of our congress are pandering to people who are afraid of the economic -- afraid of the demographic shift. >> it's a political mess and a humanitarian disaster. eric, thank you so much for your reporting. >> thank you. and up next, joy's interview with ted olson and david boyes. you'll remember them as lawmakers on opposite sides of bush versus gore. then they teamed up to fight for marriage equality. ♪ ♪

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to vote on the change this year, but gay rights advocates are calling it a victory, as well they should. two men who know first hand the triumphs and trials that come with defending one of the defining civil rights struggles of our time sat down with our own joy reid earlier this week. >> all right. ted olson and david boyes. you guys are the authors of a new book "redeeming the dream: the case for marriage equality." i think what people love about your story is it is the ultimate unlikely duo. the opponents who argued on opposite sides of bush v. gore getting together to organize argue the case against proposition eight in california. but ted, i want to start with you. i understand that the plaintiffs in this case actually initially came to you, which might surprise some people. were you surprised? >> i was initially approached about handling this case. i grew up in california. i live and work in washington now. but i grew up in california. and i was very disappointed with what californians had done, to put in the constitution for the

state of california that many of their citizens are not to be treated equally. it was very disappointing to me. didn't seem like the california i knew. so when i was approached about it, i think i surprised them by saying, yes, i would be will be to take this case, anxious to take this case if we could do it right. >> so david, when your former opponent, and i guess over the course of bush v. gore, you guys were colleagues. people don't understand how the sort of courtroom experience is. maybe shocked you guys are friends. what was your thought when you were first approached? >> i don't think it took me more than half a second to say yes. this was a case that was a critical case. i believe it is the defining civil rights issue of our time. when i was young, 1960s, i was working in mississippi on racial issues that i think were the defining civil rights issue of that time. and i thought that this was a critical issue to continue the movement of this country towards the goals that our founders

articulated but didn't really practice. >> yeah, well, what surprised you the most about the case? because you know, i think a lot of people have kind of diminished the opposition as having no case at all. were you surprised, ted, that it got that far, that they were able to take their case all the way to the supreme court? >> i wasn't surprised they were able to take their case all the way to the supreme court, because this is an issue involving the constitution, and it's an issue we thought would go to the supreme court. i was surprised by a couple of things. one, i was surprised at the scarcity of arguments that they really had. what arguments is there against affording equal rights to people who are of the same sex who love one another to get married? they didn't come up with very good arguments. and the witnesses that they did come up with, david sort of dismantled at the trial. the other thing that -- there were a number of things, but one other thing that stands out to me is we set out to help shape public opinion because we wanted

when and if we won this case, we wanted the american people to be on the side of our plaintiffs. we wanted people to say, of course that's right. and so we set out to meet and speak and write as much as we could to communicate why it was right to change proposition eight. and they change not because of us, necessarily, but we contributed to it, we think, changed public opinion so rapidly in the five years that we handled this case, it completely shifted. i think there's a 25% shift in public opinion over the case of the history of this case. that's remarkable. >> it is remarkable. david, you, as a long-time litigant, but on the side of more progressive, liberal values, were you surprised at how rapidly people did take the side of your plaintiffs and the rapidity with which the public came to be on their side in a large way? >> i think it moved very fast. i think it probably moved faster than any of us expected. on the other hand, when we started this, i really did

believe that if we could simply get the american people to listen to this issue, we could change their minds. this is an issue in which there is not another side to the story. part of the thing that makes me a good lawyer is i can figure out what the other side's arguments are so i can deal with them. or if i can't deal with them, maybe obscure them. but you've got to find out what your opponent's best arguments are to defeat them. here, there wasn't another argument. they had a bumper sticker that are said "marriage is between a man and a woman" or a bumper sticker that says "god hates gays." those aren't arguments, legal principles. there's no reasoning or policy there. it's simply an assertion. and when we got right down to it, they didn't have anything that they could argue from a policy standpoint or from a legal standpoint. they didn't have any precedent. the precedent was against them. and in terms of the policy, this was discrimination that was

seriously harming gays and lesbians and the children they were raising and wasn't benefitting anybody. >> ted, it's not an argument, but it is a deeply held sentiment. you are much more familiar with the side of the aisle or the ideological spectrum where it is very deeply held as a sentiment that marriage is between a man and a woman. did you get any backlash from people in your own ideological side for being a part of this case? >> i did. there were some people that felt as a conservative i should not have taken this case, that the arguments that i was making were not acceptable, that we were asking to change the constitution. but i felt from the outset if they would just listen, they would change their mind. conservatives should be in favor of marriage. it is a conservative value of two citizens coming together who love one another and want to form an enduring relationship to become a part of the community, to live together and work for the community and become part of the economy. what could be more conservative

than that? and conservatives also should believe in liberty and privacy and respect for individual choices. so we both felt that if we could just tell the story often enough and enough people would listen to us, people would change their minds. now, conservativeconservatives, have a ways to go on this, but there's been quite a shift already. and young people, which is the future of this country, of course, people under 30, the number is like 79% or something like that who support the right of individuals to marry the person they love, who happens to be the of the same sex. >> well, david boyes, ted olson, you're obviously rock stars in the legal world. when you came into this building, i think more people wanted to take selfies with you than a lot of people we've had come in. we really appreciate it. a great case, a great victory. and a great book. "redeeming the dream: the case for marriage equality." thank you for coming. >> thank you very much.

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between beyonce, girls, and dove's real beauty campaign, feminism has apparently become cool and even marketable. enter pantene with this uplifting offering. >> sorry, can i ask a stupid question? >> sorry, do you have a minute? >> sorry. >> sorry. >> oh, i get it. if i stopped apologizing so much and had glossier hair, then my lady life would be way better. some studies do show after all

that women apologize more than men. and you know how it is. any time a man does something different than a woman, it's because the woman's doing it wrong. i didn't realize that all this time what was really holding me back was my tendency to be considerate of other people. the part about the shine your hair, well, that was already obvious. so pantene, i'm going to take your advice. here's a list of a few things i'm going to stop apologizing for. first, i'm going to stop apologizing for spending time with my kids. i know facebook coo sheryl sandberg wants me to lean in and hide my family commitment so the boy's club doesn't find out i have a life outside of work. but i kind of like my kids and talking to them. that's not going to work for me. second, i'm going to stop apoll jiedsing for considering the possibility that i might not always be the most talented person in the room. i know according to the confidence code, my lack of thinking that i'm the best at everything all the time is also holding me back, but i guess i'm just going to have to live with that. third, i'm going to stop apologizing for thinking that being a team player and good at

your job are more important qualities than being a self-promoting credit seeker. studies show that female managers consistently bring in more profit than men, and i just can't seem to stop thinking this matters more than some dude thinking i have gravitas. that's a pretty good list, but i feel like i'm forgetting something. oh, yeah. pantene, i'm not going to apologize for saying i'm sorry. as jessica valente put it, i'm tired of folks making me feel insecure about my insecurities. i guess i'll just have to live with my mediocre lady existence. sorry. not sorry. all right. i'm krystal ball. that wraps things up for "can the reid report." joy been back here next week at 2:00 p.m. eastern. "the cycle" is up next. i've heard of that show before. hey, cyclists. >> hey, joy. how are you? >> actually, you know, i don't

know if you noticed, i think you can see the monitor in there. it's krystal. we've met before. >> yeah, we do have double krystal today. i'm sorry, krystal, but you are the most talented person in this room and probably that one too. >> very sweet of you. >> hopefully you'll join us. it's going to be pretty interesting show. we're going to dig deep on iraq. we're going to talk about governors who are having some trouble putting their feet in their mouths and those sort of things. we're going to talk about the world cup. i'm going to dig deep on the central park five. they're finally getting paid. what does that mean for new york? what does that mean for america? overall, we're just going to sit here and wait until you come because we're missing you. >> does that mean i have to come? >> please come. we need you. you're the most talented person in the room. >> all right. fine. "the cycle" is up next. i'll be there.

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hospitals are supposed to be a place of refuge, but patients on manhattan's upper east side felt anything but safe when a bullet came flying through a window this morning and narrowly missed a 30-year-old woman. slight relief for folks in the upper midwest as we head into the weekend. the big sioux river in south dakota has crested, swelled by a crazy amount of rain. iowa and nebraska were also hit with severe flooding from this week's late spring storms. medical marijuana is coming to the state of new york. smoking it will still be against the law, but it will be available in vapor or edible form for people suffering from illnesses such as cancer and a.i.d.s. now, the rest of the day's news, including where in the world is krystal ball? find out on "the cycle." iraq is front and center once again this friday. government forces have