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before heading the amman, jordan, where he'll meet with government leaders to discuss the insurgency and the political crisis in neighboring eye rachblth it looks like sunni militants have seized yet another town in western iraq. that's the fourth to fall. two members of the al qaeda offshoot i.s.i.s. residents are negotiating with the militants for the right to leave because an iraqi army unit outside of town is threatening to start shelling there. in fact, families in towns across the west are trying now to flee t. iraqi military released this video of the military aircraft patrolling the skies north of bagdad. the advances that i.s.i.s. has made this weekend dealt a serious blow to the future of the government of shiite prime minister nuri almaleki. we want to get to the latest from nbc current amen ar dean. what is secretary of state kerry

hoping to accomplish with this trip? >> reporter: well, there's a regional and local implications for his visit. no doubt about it that his major concern when he comes to this part of the middle east including jordan and iraq is to try and shore up support for both u.s. military, engagement with iraq to shore up support for prime minister nuri al maliki and create a political process on the ground that can try to bring in the sunni arab community that has been so far marginalized and is in an open state of war with the central government in iraq. a lot of the sunni arab communities and tribes in the western part of iraq have a tremendous amount of influence from neighboring countries like saudi arabia, from jordan and elsewhere. there's no doubt as he meets with some of the officials in the region, he's going to try to exert leverage on them to get the sunni arab community to participate in a new political process in iraq and they're going to be pushing back, trying to convince the united states that it's time for prime

minister maliki to go and for the u.s. to try to let him out, to bring in new leadership into the country. he certainly has his work cut out for him. at the same time you can imagine he'll get a lot of push back from some of the united states' closest allies when it comes to the prime minister of iraq, nuri al maliki. we want to turn to the fight in this country over american workers should earn a higher minimum wage on thursday. the massachusetts legislature voted to raise the minimum wage to $11 by 2017 that. will give massachusetts the highest minimum wage of any state in the entire country. a different story played out in neighboring rhode island. democratic governor lynn ken shaef fi passed legislation passed by the democratic controlled state legislature to block an effort in providence to raise that city ice minimum wage for $15 for workers at large

hotels. >> reporter: it was a spirited effort by providence hotel workers, having gathered more than 1200 signatures to raise the minimum wage at large hotels to $15 an hour. they convinced the providence city council. last night it was approved to let voters decide on a ballot question this november. then the house of representatives put a measure in their version of the state budget prohibiting cities and towns from setting their own minimum wanls. >> our elected officials decided to ignore our efforts to try and create a livable wage for a large group of low-wage, low-income workers in the city in attempt for us to have a wage we can live on and support our families on. >> we have seen state legislatures blocking city efforts to raise minimum wage before, but largely led by republicans in states like oklahoma, florida and texas.

democrats are not only opposed to the $15 minimum wage but leaving it to voters to decide the issue. the question about what providence should do, ballots have a strong track record of passing. this year campaigns are under way to put minimum wage on the bl ballot in alas karks south dakota, arkansas and illinois as well as cities including san francisco, oakland and san diego. these campaigns come at a time when even those in the finance community are starting to call for raising wages for the lowest paid workers. tomorrow the white house is hosting a summit on working families with state and local lieders to explore workplace policies that can help women and families. in an interview with parade magazine out this weekend, the obamas said they would like to see their daughters work minimum wage jobs quoting the president "we are looking for opportunities for them to feel as if going to work and getting a paycheck is not always fun. it's not always stimulating. not always fair.

but that's what most folks go through every single day." republicans in congress have blocked any increase in minimum wage this year. but it is worth remembering that two of the last three minimum wage increases were, in fact, signed into law by republican presidents george w. bush and his father. the third was passed when republicans controlled both houses of congress under president clinton. can we expect any action at the federal level or are cities and states now ground zero for better wages and workers' rights? here to discuss all this, we have neera tan den, the president of the center for american progress. in pittsburgh we have theresa gillducci, a labor economist. and paul sand with the national employment law project. neera, i want to start with you on this question. it's been so hard to get anything done at the federal level. it's so important we have a high enough federal minimum wage

floor, but should democrats and progressives be focusing their efforts on the state and local level? >> i think we have to have a two-track conversation. absolutely we have been active and c.a.p. has been active because we're going to see real results there. i do think there's a connection. the more we talk about tissues at the federal level, the more the president is nighting for them, democrats talking about them on the campaign trail. it builds pressure at the state and local level. that's one of the reasons we're having this summit. c.a.p. is co-sponsoring this summit at the white house tomorrow. 60% of minimum wage workers are minimum. many mothers on the minimum wage. if we want to see real change, we have to make sure we're pushing at the federal and state level. >> paul, what do you make of the fact that minimum wage increase

is so popular, so popular with the population, that's why these ballot initiatives are so widely supported, so widely successful. that's why republicans are afraid of them and passing laws to keep laws in minimum wage increase off the ballot. why is it so hard to get anything done at the federal level when it is such a popular initiative. >> it's a great question. it's a break from the past. minimum wage increase haves been bipartis bipartisan. it's really a sign of the gridlock in washington. but i think neera is exactly right. there's a positive feedback loop between federal action and calls for movement on the minimum wage and state and city campaigns, both what the house is doing is helping local campaigns and local campaigns create momentum for federal action. i think we've seen -- anibal lot initiatives we've seen real illustrations in the past few weeks of their power. the increased flagged in

massachusetts, the nation's highest minimum wage was leveraged because there was a threat the public would go to the ballot instead to raise the minimum wage. the same in michigan where tea party republicans raised the minimum wage. in seattle, the highest waged in the country, $15, was again the threat of people taking it into their own hands and going to the ballot that allowed them to win these very significant increases. >> theresa, the argument that conservatives tend to make on the minimum wage is if you raise it too high -- in their opinion if you raise it at all, it's going to have negative employment effects. they're saying wait to see what's going to happen in seattle and sea-tac, places where they've raised it to $15 over time. what level of wage do you think is consistent with not seeing a major decline in employment? >> well, we've never gotten to that level. >> not even close basically. >> not even close. 50 years of labor economics on this issue, and we've never seen

a minimum wage that caused any discernible loss in employment. we see a boost in employment for adult workers when the minimum wage increases. we actually see higher wages for families and we see that employers adjust by and they're pleasantly surprised because their employees actually stop turning over as much. so we haven't seen the minimum wage that causes job loss yet. >> teresa i spoke with richard florida this week and he was arguing we should focus on states and localities because the cost of living is so different in different places that the minimum wage that would make sense in new york is much different than the minimum wage that would make sense, for example, where you are in pittsburgh. what do you make of that argument? >> that makes sense. that has been the policy over minimum wage for the past 30, 40 years. it's not new that cities are passing their own minimum wage and states have a different minimum wage. right now over 30 states have a

higher minimum wage than the federal government and a handful of cities have and have always had a higher minimum wage. the cost of living in the city is more than it is in other areas, and it's appropriate that it fluctuates. it's also appropriate that the minimum wage is indexed to inflation. we're seeing a lot of states and cities do that as well. >> that's a really encouraging trend. >> nuri, how do we keep from becoming literally a two-nation kind of situation where you have states in particular in the south who have a very low wage, they have minimum environmental regulations, not going forward with medicaid expansion, less money to invest in education while states like california, massachusetts, the northeast, other places in the country are making very different decisions. what are the consequences of that? >> well, i do think this is a real challenge, if you look at

the southern states, they're really becoming terrible places for workers. but i think more importantly, it's a terrible set of policies for economic growth. if you look at where economic growth is really happening, it's happening in those places where people have a livable wage, where there's a medicaid expansion. california, massachusetts, these states are growing and growing pretty well. i would say the richard florida point, we absolutely believe that states and localities should be able to go up from the minimum wage that's established. but, you know, the current minimum wage -- the current federal minimum wage is really too low for the country. >> for anywhere. >> it shouldn't be the case that you're a person working full time and still living in poverty whether you live in alabama or california. california has a higher cost of living, so maybe it should even be higher, but it's not acceptable that we just relegate

some states to be places where you work really, really hard and live in poverty. that's why i think a federal fight is so important. we get so used to how intransigent the house is that we try to move on. but it's important we keep at it. again, that's another reason why this conference tomorrow is so important because it's a way for us to focus the nation's attention, not just states and localities, but the nation's attention on the changing workforce and why we need to make policy change. >> i think what we've seen in the past is as pressure does build across the country for the raise to the minimum wage, even republicans can be convinced to get on board. paul, i wonder what you make of this. do you think we're headed to a two americas kind of situation? >> there really are different trends. the minimum wage is so popular, we've seen -- it probably is going to be after the next election. if allowed to vote on it, solid majorities including many republicans in both houses would support a minimum wage increase.

we just need to build the pressure with more states acting to kind of break through the congressional logjam. one of the things we think is so important is the minimum wage increases are going behind catching up the minimum wage to where it should be for inflation. they're raising it to a higher level, 11 in massachusetts, the $13 rate that the california state senate approved, that would bring it to a higher level than we've had. it's something we really badly need. >> it's hard to overstate how important a raise would be for many of america's workers. yet, i think also we need to think beyond the minimum wage and look bigger picture at more fundamental structural changes to the economy. i want to talk about that when we come back. i'm m-a-r-y and i have copd.

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i don't think it's an exaggeration to say that our middle class was built in part because unions were able to negotiate weekends and over time and benefits. we should do everything we can to strengthen unions in this country. unions have to be flexible. >> that was president obama in pittsburgh on tuesday. that was also music to my ears because i think it's so important that we think not just about a minimum wage increase, but we have this structural issue where workers have essentially no power at this point in our political system, so they have no bargaining ability. i think we need to think past the minimum wage to a bigger progressive agenda which, neera, i hope is some of what will be talked about at the work family summit this week. >> absolutely. i couldn't agree with you more. one of the reasons why we have

the problems we have with economic growth is that workers, the vast majority of workers really haven't seen wage increases. the median wage -- the weekly median wage in 2001 was $768 per week, in 2012 it was $768 per week at a time when costs are going up. we have a real problem. go ahead. >> more importantly, costs are going up, but productivity has gone up. >> absolutely. >> it's not because workers aren't produce more. economic policy institute has calculated if the minimum wage just kept up with the productivity of regular workers it would be $22 an hour. neera is absolutely right. >> in fact, we just threw a graph up on the screen show that productivity and compensation used to go to together hand in hand. they used to rise in tandem. round about the '70s, about the same time when union participation rates started to

decline, those two things broke apart and now productivity continues to go up and up while compensation has flat lined. te teresa, is that because of the decline and what should we be looking to to marry productivity increases with wage increases? >> much of it has to do with the decline in unionization. republicans and democrats when answering a question about whether or not unions helped balance the balance of power between employers and workers, they all say yes and, in fact, that's true. there's other problems, too, outsourcing other kinds of strategies, but the decline in unionization is a big cause of the declining and flat lining of wages. unions are behind raising the minimum wage. they help organization and around other issues to raise wages and that's wage theft, the practice of employers to not pay people for all their work.

we see the shadows of unions, but if there was collective bargaining, there would be higher wages. >> paul, what's on your policy wish list? >> the flip side of inadequate wages is the serious and growing problem of unstable work schedules and inadequate hours. the government has just started tracking this on census-type surveys. a shocking 40% of u.s. workers don't get their work schedules one week in advance. >> you can't plan your life if you don't know when you're going to work, let alone child care and things like that. >> exactly. balancing going to school, child care or a second job. a huge percentage of workers are working part time, they want more hours. there's this exciting budding reform movement to push for fair policies for advance notice of schedules and incentives for workers to provide more full-time hours. the sea-tac initiative included

offering jobs to their current workers who want more hours. there's a real exciting movement just launching now to tackle these problems. i think we'll see that across the country. >> neera, we also are seeing that a lot of business leaders will be at this working families zub summit. is there and increasing recognition among business leaders that maybe having policies that would be good for their workers would be good for their company's bottom line? >> there is. you saw the gap raise their minimum wage higher. you saw a lot of companies recognize that when wages are down, there's not enough customers for them. so i think people recognize that. also, i would like to add, though, you have to keep in mind that there's another whole set of policies in which the u.s. is far behind its competitors, and that's on policies that help women workers, mothers, and the united states is one of a handful of countries that

doesn't offer paid leave. only 12% of workers in the u.s. have paid leave and thoegs are really generally higher income workers. mothers who are workers have to make terrible choices often about paying the rent or taking care of a sick child. i think the company ceos recognize that's not a good human capital strategy to have them make those tradeoffs. we need federal policy, state policy to make changes. it's a big transformation to have so many women working and our workplace policies have to keep up to date on this end as well, on wages but also on workplace flexibility. >> as you're pointing out, neera, at this point, they are woefully, woefully behind in that department. >> go ahead teresa quickly. >> i want to say one more thing about employers. one thing that minimum wage and other kinds of labor standards do is protect the employers that want to do the right thing. >> so true. >> no giving leave helps with

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easterry gross about clinton's position on gay marriage. >> i think you're being very persistent but you're playing with my words and playing with such -- >> i'm just trying to clarify so ki understand -- >> i don't think you're trying to clarify. i think you're trying to say i used to be opposed and now i'm in favor and did it for political reasons. that's just flat wrong. let me state what i feel like you are replying and repudiate it. i have a strong record. i have a great commitment to this issue and i am proud of what i've done and the progress we're making. >> clinton's response that she's evolved on equality is an answer i take no issue with. i wish people had the courage to evolve. in her talking point, i was reminded of something else, the fact that for the clintons everything seems to be focus grouped and weather baked. if marriage equality was still a drag for candidates, do you

think hillary would have come out in support? i started asking myself this uncomfortable question. is hillary clinton actually the democrats emit romney? smart, of course. incredible resume? without a doubt. also i believe kind of tone deaf and unrelatable. hillary's dead broke comment made me think for a second saying that ann drives a couple of cadillacs and he likes firing people. like mitt, after decades in public service i can only speculate about what hillary clinton is all about. is she a triangulating moderate, secret liberal, dlc wall street dem? what sort of president would she be? there's no clues in her state department record and not in "hard choices." there's clearly more enthusiasm among democrats for hillary than there ever was with romney. already the approval ratings are

starting to ebb. there have been many versions of hillary. hillary didn't just lose in 2008 because of her vote in iraq. in fact, the iraq vote and her her inability to say she was wrong were symptoms in the core problem in her campaign. she computed confidence with no core belief. it seemed the real answer to why she was running for president is simply because she wanted to be president. will 2016 be different? it's possible. so far, at least, i haven't seen change i can believe in just yet. joining me at the table to tell me all of the reasons why i am so wrong is basel smikal, junior, a political strategist and professor at columbia, once an aide to hillary clinton. we have blake zef from salon, served as an aide on the presidential campaigns of hillary clinton and barack obama. and neera tandem is still with us. she worked on both the obama and

hillary clinton campaigns. basel, let me start with you on this question, do you think that hillary -- what do you think is the reason hillary is running for president? i think we all here basically accept the fact she's running for president. >> i'm not going to be 100% that she is. >> fair enough. >> i do think fundamentally, and this sort of goes back to your comment about -- in the comparison to mitt romney. when mitt romney was talking about the 47%, he said it with destain, very patronizing. i think ultimately the comparison to hillary clinton is wrong because i think what we should be focused on is, and separate from how the republicans think about this, is how she believed government should be used to help the most disadvantaged among us. how is government best used to

serve constituents? and i think given her experience, i think giving -- given how she and her husband when they were in the white house, the kinds of policies and programs they put forth -- >> like what? what would you say? >> child health plus for example, student loans for example, education. >> minimum wage. >> but a couple of other counterxek examples i would put out. >> welfare to work. >> i think welfare to work has been a disaster. >> it's been a disaster in terms of -- >> i would also put out there in nafta which has massively exacerbated inequality. neera, nafta is an example -- i don't know that it will be a huge issue in the 2016 campaign. i do think it's an example of hillary clinton not real clear. it seemed she was very supportive of 1/2 tachlt then when she was running it didn't seem convenient to be in support of nafta. to me there's an authenticity issue there that voters have a problem with. >> you know, i have to say i've

lived with decades of people attributing poll testing to hillary. i've got to say working on health care for all in 1994 certainly wasn't poll tested. she's been attacked by the right for a variety of positions she's taken. that's not poll tested. bill clinton passed nafta. if she runs for president, i hope all commentators will judge her on what she's putting forward. i worked for her for a decade. in the 2007-2008 campaign her economic program was focused on inequality before inequality was vogue. she talked about ceo pay in her campaign, talked about how ceo pay was running away from worker pay. she actually proposed regulating derivatives in the fall of 2007 before anyone was talking about these issues, so i actually hope people will judge her on the policies she's put forward and

the arguments she's making. if they do, they will see she's talking about the problems of the middle class and people who are getting into the middle class and trying to get into the middle class for her entire career. >> do you think it will be an issue for her, the comment, the dead broke comment -- everyone has slips of the tongue. i don't think anyone would say that was a perfectly framed response. it was a bit awkward. it was a bit tone deaf, but do you think she's going to -- that is indicative of a bigger issue she'll have with the democratic base around issues of inequality and around things like the big speaking fees she's taken from places like goldman sachs, the fact that she sat on the board of walmart? >> i don't think that slip of the tongue is going to be a big moment that we'll be playing over and over and over again. >> no. but i'm wondering if it's going to be indicative of a bigger problem. >> you have rightly tapped into a clamor on the left which is for lead who are will be staunchly supportive of

solutions to liberal problems. when it comes to hillary clinton, i think the context that's important here is she is essentially very much within the mainstream of the standard national democratic party right now. >> which i have a problem with, too. >> so let's talk about that. her positions are very similar to barack obama, joe biden, debby wasserman schultz, whoever we think are national democratic party leaders. the extent there's this critique of her and this longing for a president who will have a justice department that will aggressively prosecute financial crime which is something i want, someone to stand with fast food workers when they're striking, someone who won't try to trade away social security cuts to get revenues, those are worthy goals. to confine that critique to hillary clinton belies a larger problem. the democratic party is the party that cut food stamps by $9

billion, agreed to a budget deal that failed to extend unemployment insurance. so to me there's a bigger conversation to have with the democratic party. >> neera, there's something to that, right? we had the president trying to cpi to the republicans in exchange for a grand bargain. has the democratic party as a whole been moved too far to the right? >> you know, i agree that some of these decisions that have been made are not ones that i would have made. but i think we're doing a lot of tea leaf reading here. hillary, if she runs for president, she'll state her views on all of these issues. and i disagree with blake that we know what her positions will be on all these issues. in the budget negotiations she might have been tougher, she might have agreed to the same thing. who knows? she'll be able to say these things when she's running. in my experience hillary has been a strong fighter on economic issues.

she's gone toe to toe with republicans on fighting for the middle class and for cuts to low income workers. in 2001 she was the senator fighting for unemployment insurance. she was the key senator on that. so i don't think we know that she would give up or not give up any of these issues. i think people are reading into it their own views on these topics and let's wait till she has an opportunity to talk about these, and i think she'll be a strong fighter on them. go ahead, blake. >> we're not actually disagreeing here. i 1,000% agree -- >> you're saying she's like with joe biden or with barack obama. >> no. what i think is she for very understandable reasons for the last six years has not been able to talk about her positions on a host of domestic issues because she was serving as secretary of state which obviously precludes her from doing that. for us to forecast what she would have been like over the last six years on things makes no sense.

we don't know where she'll be on a bunch of topics moveing forward. i was trying to make a larger point that while krystal and others talk about a critique and want a desire for strong economic liberalism, we should be expanding that conversation to talk about the democratic party as a whole. >> i agree. >> that's well said. we veal more on this and get basel in here as well right after this. make a lot of purchas for my business. and i get a lot in return with ink plus from chase. like 50,000 bonus points when i spent $5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. and i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at office supply stores. with ink plus i can choose how to redeem my points. travel, gift cards, even cash back. and my rewards points won't expire. so you can make owning a business even more rewarding. ink from chase. so you can. we know in the cyber world, threats are always evolving. at first, we were protecting networks. then, we were protecting the transfer of data.

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remember last week she answered that. she said in her book there that she got iraq wrong. i got it wrong, plain and similar. now i see the light. if i was her campaign manager, i would say hillary, get ahead on one issue. >> bill maher not a big hillary clinton fan. basel, looking back on 2008, i think hillary has a halo from her time in the state department where she wasn't in a position to take on political issues and said she was above that partisanship, high approval ratings on the right at least u starting to come back to earth. i do think we've forgotten about her weaknesses as a candidate in 2008. what do you attribute her loss to there? >> it's interesting because in 2007 just after she and barack announced, there was an interesting article that came out of chicago to talk about why barack could win. i said yes, i actually think

along those lines he could win, also, which cause add great amount of consternation from my hillary friends. the reality is and to answer your question, i think at that time there were a lot of folks? the democratic party and some in hillary's campaign underestimated certain aspects of the democratic party, didn't tap into people that i thought were peers of barack, a lot of young professionals, particularly of color, that the party didn't do as good a job engaging. i think that sort of put her a little bit behind, but also the reality is that barack had a brilliant strategy in going after caucus states, for example. i think some of it was fundamental and goes to the point that blake made earlier about understanding who is in the party and how the party was growing. but it also i think spoke to barack's strategy. i think hillary, if she ran on her record, she talked about issues as neera said, i think that resonated with a lot of voters. it wasn't a blowout.

i think we also have to remember that, too. >> neera, speak to that as well. i think the iraq war issue was such a lightning rod in 2008 and it was so, like, were you with us or were you against us in the democratic party. it wasn't just the fact -- this is my analysis, that hillary voted for the war. it was also that she wasn't able to say she had been wrong. she wasn't able to change her position. do you think that issues of inequality this time will be that kind of lightning rod issue in the democratic base? and i know you believe that hillary is right where we need to be for working families. do you think voters, given all they know about the money and the connections around the clintons, do you think they'll find that believable? >> that's actually fascinating to me. if you look at polls of the democratic party, hillary has stronger support amongst liberal voters than moderates, strong support across the board. i think that's because it's interesting to have all this

chatter, but people understand where she's been over her career and she's fought on these issues. she just gave a speech a few weeks ago defining inequality as a central economic challenge of our time and talking about why inequality is a problem. it is a problem for -- on a moral scale, but it's also a problem for economic growth which is the precise argument many liberals are making, many liberal economists are making around inequality. i actually agree with you that inequality is the central discussion point and will be the issue that motivates people on the democratic side, the progressive side. i think these are issues that she's very comfortable talking about because she's talked about them before, before they were the central point of the national debate itself. >> i want to get blake in on that same question right after this. hink salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here hink salmon and energy. creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology.

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>> i don't want anything sweet. >> oh, hi. >> that was hillary clinton on the trail in 2008 trying to literally pass the proverbial beer test. we also remember barack obama awkwardly going to sports bars and awkwardly bowling and all of these things that are part of campaigning. blake, i wanted to get your take on this. it's one thing to say the right things about inequality and about standing up to wall street. we already see wall streeters lining up to support hillary clinton. are people really going to believe that she's going to be the person to take on the big banks and to take on big corporate interests? >> that's a good question. we'll have to see how the campaign shakes out. to get back to something with the bill maher clip that i wanted to mention, if i may, this idea that hillary clinton is the only politician out there who thinks about what they say and is calculating everything she does, you know, i worked both for hillary clinton and many other politicians.

when i first came to work for the clinton campaign, they told me on my first day, you have to know the rules for us are different. i said, these people are so paranoid. what a bizarre thing to sachlt i learned there are three types of critical coverage of hillary clinton. there is one, totally legitimate in terms of her record, the iraq war vote, obviously legit. there's a second which i think everyone would agree with which is blatantly sexist, you know it when you see it. then the third is this sort of weird hard-to-describe category where it's everything is so skeptical and cynical about her, just like in these sort of vague -- >> what do you think that's based on. >> i want to give a quick example if i may. when i worked for hillary in 2007-2008, any time a big-time supporter would say something like big johnson or billy sheheen who is the husband of an endorser said something about

obama's youth, it was bad. a big scramble to clean up the mess and think hillary put him up to it, she secretly whispered to him what are we going to do. then i worked for balk in the general election and like the second week, charlie rangel supporting obama said sarah palin was mentally disabled. i'm freaking out, oh, my god. i called the top people and said what are we going to do? should we disown the rangel comment. they're like why are you hyp hyperventilati hyperventilating. you are insane. sure enough, no reporters asked us about it. there was no suggestion obama put them up to it. there is this inherent cynicism. you asked why that is. could it be partly sex exist, partly clinton fatigue, something specific with hillary clinton. it definitely does exist. >> neera? >> i think reporters should ask questions themselves.

we went through that experience and the way people put things engender terms was really shocking. but also i think people have a level of cynicism, and i think it sounds naive. but i think a lot of the times politicians including hillary clinton are trying to solve problems, and you may not agree with what she comes out and says, but to say it's all political instead of just a policy difference i think is more of an issue with reporters than candidates. >> i agree with that, neera. i certainly thought a lot of the coverage in 2008 was blatantly sexist. i think some of the coverage now is still blatantly sexist. there's no doubt about that. for me, basel, the question is not whether or not politicians are always carefully calibrating what they say and what they do, but it's's my question of, okay, behind those calibrations, what does she really think? and i'm still not clear. >> she is a very passionate activist at heart.

i actually firmly believe that. i've been on conference calls where we've talked about issues and you can hear it come out. i think blake is right, that there is this perception of her and in some ways stops -- a lot of folks stop telling the story beyond a certain point. just very quickly, 2000 campaign, we had a raleigh, a whole bartter williams college, she stayed and shook 2,000 hands and waited for the last person to leave. that's not going to get written about. >> let me say, as i've been critical here, i hope you guys are all right. i twoont see that side. i want to believe that. i think she will be our next president. i want to believe she will be that person that will focus like a laser on inequality. i want to thank basel smikal junior, neera tanden, president of the center for american progress and former clinton and obama spokesman, blake zeff. thank you all. still ahead, it's finally

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court. the biggest one or at least the highest profile one is arguably the hobby lobby case, a case that will decide whether companies can opt out of providing birth control in the health plans they offer employees. doing that is a mandate of the affordable care act. but hobby lobby has joined with catholic charities and others to argue they should be exempted as a corporation on religious grounds. here to talk about that and some of the other big cases that we expect to get decisions on in the coming days, i'm joined from richmond by dahlia lith wick, legal correspondent for slate. we also have erin car moan reporter for msnbc.com. she's been following the hobby lobby case very closely. erin, bring us up to speed, how do you see the decision coming down in this hobby lobby case? >> the backdrop is the contraceptive benefit which many millions of women have already enjoyed as part of their paid

insurance benefits is enormously popular, politically popular in 2012 and now faces a challenge that could potentially open the door for companies to opt out of general laws in a way that we haven't seen before. hobby lobby is a for-profit corporation. its owners are religious. they want to opt out of this rule that says that women's health care should be treated like other preventive care. so based on oral argument i think this is very much going to be a tough decision. i think it's probably going to come down on the last day. you had very conflicting signals from anthony kennedy who is looking to be the swing vote here. they did not seem unresolved about this question that to us may seem very crazy which is does a corporation have religious exercise? are you going to see the corporation in a pew next to you. they didn't dwell on that in oral argument. what they did talk act is the government requiring employers to have health insurance and is this a burden on hobby lobby's

religious freedom rights under the religious freedom restoration act? they say this is not a burden, if the government doesn't require you do provide health insurance, it's not a burden. or they could open up the door for companies saying i don't want to comply with all kinds of laws because they violate the boss's religious freedom. we could see women who work for those companies in particular because women's health care is so controversial, having a different set of earned benefits than people elsewhere. >> dahlia, what do you make of that? what's your take on this case? is irin right, that they could potentially open the door to not just corporations like hobby lobby denying women contraception, but denying anything they think is against their religion? >> everything that irin said i agree with. i think one possibility, and you could see this playing out in oral argument is the court tries to figure some narrower way to constrain this ruling so it doesn't on the one hand force corporations to do that which they feel violates their

religious conscience, and on the other hand as irin said, open the flood gates to religious corporation owners imposing all kinds of religious constraints on their employees regardless of their xleer's religious beliefs. i think we're trying to find some middle way. chief justice roberts talked a little bit, could we make this specific to the green family who owned hobby lobby because it's a family held, closely held corporation? if they're trying to go small, they may do that. if they go big, the consequences in either direction are huge. >> dahlia, to me my head spins when i hear you or anybody else talking about this case, talking about the corporation's religion. have we ever in supreme court history, have we had previous cases in which a corporation was recognized to have a right to religion? >> this case comes up under the religious freedom restoration

act which is a statute. it's not a purely first amendment religious claim. no, there isn't a long history of the court conferring religious liberty rights specifically in this case to a for-profit corporation who what they do, what they produce is a chain of craft stores, right? this isn't the nuns who are delivering health care which is a trickier question in some sense. these people make scrapbooking materials. so really the question is this for-profit corporation that operates to do something that has nothing to do with religion, to confer religious rights on that is quite dramatic. >> i think that's well said. i want to point to harris versus quinn. the supreme court is due to decide whether public sector unions can collect fees from non-union members who benefit from their negotiations. the unions argue that it's only fair since they work on the employees' behalf. some employees say it's a

violation of their first amendment rights. big stakes. mother jones recently put it, will the supreme court kill public employee unions? is that a possibility in this case, dahlia? >> again, there's probably going to be a way, if the court decides not to do the most dramatic thing it can do, to find a sort of -- thread the needle here and do something in this case that will only relate to not every single public sector union in the country, but only home health care workers which is what issue here in illinois. but they can. certainly i think it's fair to say there were four votes it looked like that wanted to go really big in this case, and really, really, i think in some ways gut the powers of public sector unions. ironically in this case the fifth vote is going to be justice scalia. he's going to be the deciding vote in this case. and whether or not this case really turns into a profound,

profound setback for public sector unions is going to turn on scalia's decision. >> we have a scalia expert on next who can kind of dig into maybe what's going on in scalia's mind there. we're also anticipating a decision in the case that challenges buffer zones around clinics that perform abortions. there are laws like this under the f.a.c.e. law, keeps anti-abortion protesters a certain distance away from women's health clinics. many would say a safe distance away from the employees and patients who walk into and out of those buildings every day. the court is considering the massachusetts law specifically. the decision could reverberate down the line coast to coast, affecting not just health clinics, but cemeteries, the west borough baptist church comes to mind, irin. this is a very legitimate concern that abortion clinics have. there has been violence, certain aggressive protesting techniques outside of these clinics.

yet some are arguing this is a violation of free speech for protesters. >> i think what ties together a lot of these cases is you have conservative legal groups that are strategizing to use the court and to specifically use the first amendment as a weapon against laws that protect workers, against laws that protect access to clinics. what all of these cases have in common is they're very much part of this conservative legal rev lux. in the case of this particular buffer zone law, in 2000 the supreme court ruled you can have safe protective zones around clinics because of the ways clinics are targeted for violence, you can have a time place and manner restriction that says you cannot come up to women, cannot intimidate women, cannot block their access to clinics. so the fact that the court took this case at all is very worrying for supporters of buffer zones because they could have just said as the first circuit did that there is

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the supreme court has long been a revered american institution, but as our politics continue to polarize, so has our trust. the pew research center recently compiled this data on the last 30 years of public opinion on the supreme court. they found that the consensus of favorable feelings has broken down in the last ten years. the new reality is now much closer to our country's partisan

divide. what has happened to the court over the last 30 years, one is that it's grown much more conservative. here to talk about the court's preeminent conservative justice, bruce alan murphy, the author of a great book "scalia, a court of one." we have irin car moan and dahlia lithwick. irin mentioned in the last black a conservative legal revolution. scalia has been the driving force on that. >> he has. he was the forerunner of the conservative revolution, but delayed it for 19 years. he served as a court of one from about 1986 till 2005 by driving the centrist conservatives more toward the middle. in, for example, the smith case that led to the hobby lobby issue, he unravelled a very careful test that sandra day o'connor constructed allowing the state to regulate even

religious groups if they had a compelling state interest and if they could demonstrate their least restrictive means, the only way they could achieve this aim, was dealing with not a central part of an individual's religion. it was a curious compromise that led sandra day o'connor every time to be voting in favor of stet regulation. the smith case was really scalia's solution. he turned the clock back to the secular regulation rule and allowed for exceptions. that's what we're talking about now, the hobby lobby case, more a question in the larger sense of where individual religious based corporations can have an ala cart menu approach to this regulation. when o'connor saw scalia unraveling her test, she wrote a note to hairy blackman as she was listening to scalia's bench statement and said, harry, it

pains me. i think scalia is seeing the fruits of this labor now the majority has been created with the edition of alito and roberts, he's not the central actor. anthony kennedy. >> is anthony kennedy is, dahlia, bruce says. do you agree with that in terms of religious senseivities on the court? >> i think my cat would agree with that. >> you have a smart cat. >> whether kennedy goes, that's where the court goes. i think one of the things that so important, and bruce said this, but it's really worth emphasizing, the singular most important thing with the court is for o'connor of alito. it moved the court dramatically to the right on issue after issue, whether it's religion, abortion, campaign finance refort. that shift of alito for o'connor

really changes everything. he becomes the fulcrum and everything moves to the right. >> irin, is the fact that the supreme court is becoming less popular, is that just a manifestation of the polarization of our politics at large or is there something different going on at the supreme court? >> we have a fascinating shift where for decades conservatives campaigned against the supreme court where they looked at largely the liberal successes of the warren court and ran against them and roe v. wade which followed, they said activist supreme courts are bad. now you see republican and conservative groups using the supreme court as a tool to repeal the laws that they don't like to lessen regulations, to chip away at executive appointments they don't like, to chip away at statutes they don't like, that protect the interests of constituencies that are less important to them. it's interesting to see that as the supreme court has become activist but towards the right, it's also become less popular. i think that may be a recognition of the fact that we do have a deeply polarized

electorate. >> bruce, justice scalia, you write in the book it's obvious he's a very, very smart man, very schooled in debate. he came up and debated at georgetown. we hear from the bench, particularly on the health care reform case, we hear him echoing arguments straight out of right wing blogs talking about how long the health care law is and making the broccoli argument and bringing up things like the corn husker kickback that weren't even in the law once it passed. has he changed over time, moved further to the right and become more part son? is he part of the reason why the court has become less popular? >> i think part of what he's doing is more partisan. he's a very provocative man, really an academic at heart. he likes to say things that in his words kick shins. he's a shin kicker.

>> he's good at that. >> very good at it. for hobby lobby, it seems as though anthony kennedy created this no coercion rule, that the state can't coerce people to believe something religiously that they don't believe. how do you take that no coercion rule and vote in the town of greece case to allow for prayer before town council. how do you take that no coercion rule? i found that scalia worked in a certiorari denial in a religious case dealing with graduation in a church, he was working toward trying to provoke the court into deciding the case because he wanted to use the no coercion rule which is not something that scalia believes in. in fact, he doesn't like the lemon test at all. he seemed to be sensing, at least in my reading, that anthony kennedy may be drifting

more towards his pro re lidge on side. >> dahlia, to bring it back quickly to the cases we were talking about earlier specifically, it seems to me like you're saying the court is looking in basically all of these instances for the most narrow ruling they could come out with. >> i don't know that they're looking for that. i think there was clearly anxiety to try to make some of these less blockbusterish than they were shaping up to be. certainly i think scalia is one of the leaders of the faction that would go big in all these cases. the question is whether anthony kennedy can't quite pull the trigger on some of these big, big, big rulings and finds a way to narrow it. i think a lot could happen in the next ten days, and we're not going to know whether they go big or go small or gone big or gone small. >> you have not given me much comfort, dahlia lithwick. i thank you for joining us from slate. bruce alan murphy, author of

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but mostly by not being sorry. that stirred a lot of debate online and a lot of ire for its oversimplification of women's problems in the office, at home or in society in general. it raised a question that's been batted around over the last year, whether women's empowerment involves telling them to fix themselves, lean in, stop banning sorry, ban the word boss see. more needs to be done to change workplace norms and behavior toward women as in the spore raddic all women campaign. a lot i want to get into here. joining me to discuss all of it is irin car moan of msnbc.com and el joy williams, president of the brooklyn chapter of the naacp. ladies, it's just an ad, not that big a deal. something about it irritated me. a fu things like lean in, the confidence code book which i really enjoyed. there's this sense that, if

women and men do something differently, the women need to fix themselves to be more like the men. that is what bugged me about this ad el joy, more than anything else. >> first i would say i hope they're giving you or other folks talking about this on the night works a check or at least a box of shampoo. >> i know. >> exactly what they wanted which is what the representative from the company said, is that they did this to spark a conversation, to engage a conversation either with the people that are already customers or to engage a conversation with women in general which is their target market and to sort of help build good will for the company. my first reaction when i saw it was to look internally. yes, i do apologize a lot. it was actually funny. a friend of mine -- >> i don't need that guilt from my shampoo company. i have plenty issues to start with without pantene telling me i say sorry too much. >> i think watching it everyone

will have a different reaction. certainly it's not going to help them sell shampoo. it does create this conversation. look, i'm not buying pantene. i don't think it does anything for my hair, but it at least makes me feel differently about the company, in that they are trying to capitalize on what you said, in the past couple years this conversation about women's empowerment, their leadership and how they lead differently and what we need to do in order to increase women's leadership. they're capitalizing on that. i'm very aware that i'm not looking to pantene to give me leadership tips. however, i think they're capitalizing on the current environment. >> irin, where are the commercials telling men to apologize more? >> i would love to see those commercials. i would love to see men take on some traditionally final mail traits. when was the last time we talked about pantene? i believe it was 1996. they have successfully inserted themselves into the conversation. i would say as come modification of feminism goes, pantene is not

as bad as virginia slims "you've come a long way, baby." i need to wash my hair -- >> and dove's real beauty campaign is good. >> and certainly a go daddy ad -- >> it's better than go daddy. we should be sceptical about how these messages are being sold by advertising companies. feminism is not about a set of behaviors. it's about policy, not just about a good marketing message. i think it's okay to give women advice on daily behavioral things if it's coming from, say, a successful woman. i don't need it from my shampoo company. >> yes. that is well said. we'll give pantene exactly what they want and play a little bit of the ad. let's take a look. >> i have a question. why don't we go back to the original theme that we did. >> morning. got a minute? >> sorry. not sorry. >> sorry, not sorry.

>> i love that last one where she just takes all the covers. she's not apologetic at all. she's strong, confident woman. isn't there something irksome about a beauty company and beauty companies are notorious for making us insecure about ourselves and says, well, if you didn't say sorry and had amazing hair, everything would be better. >> i'm a business owner, trying to sell a product. i'm trying to convince you you need the thing i'm selling. that's the point of doing the advertising, doing those kinds of messages. i think that we overanalyze sometimes, sometimes the conversation -- >> i totally overanalyze. no doubt about it. >> there are people picking apart every situation that's displayed in the ad, whether or not she should have said sorry for taking the covers or whether or not she should say sorry

forgiving the child to her husband. there was overanalytical dissertations about the commercial. >> important cultural messages conveyed everywhere we look, whether on billboards, advertisements, how politicians are treated. these are all materials of our political consciousness. i think in that case it's a good thing. it is important to note as critic whose lean in have noted, when women don't apologize, when they exhibit traditionally male characteristics, there's a blowback from how men are treated. >> or in particular from a political standpoint we've seen studies as well that if women immediately react and don't say sorry and sort of immediately react to charges against them, against their character and sort of exhibit strong message afterwards, that that proves positive for them as a candidate. >> so when women ask for raises,

they're treated differently than men. >> question, how do we have these conversations where it's true, right, it's good to know the way women are perceived differently. it's good, like the confidence code does, to tell women -- and lean in, here are strategies, eye contact, power poses, those sorts of things without letting the men off the hook and letting the institutions and government off the hook for policies that have created the situation where women have to change themselves to be able to get ahead. >> i think we need to take a both-and approach. structural change does not happen overnight. women need coping mechanisms to deal with a deeply sexist world. it doesn't mean their behavior is going to completely make the difference. you need day-to-day strategies to deal with these things while you're advancing in the workplace. i do this sandberg talks about men stepping up and the negative blowback that women get in

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when the u.s. put together its bid to host the 2020 world cup, not the next world cup but the one after that, when the u.s. tried to convince fifa that the tournament should be in american stadiums, the pitch was based on diversity. morgan free man called the u.s., quote, the most diverse nation

on earth. and bill clinton said all of the host committees have 100 to 150 different nations. quoting him may be america's best chance this world cup is we have the only nation that can guarantee no matter who makes the finals -- >> the 2020 world cut is held to be held in qatar, our producers told me it would take another segment to talk about why the tournament might be moved. i want to talk why i believe the u.s. bid for the 2022 games. all of us have ancestors who hailed from different shores. i believe the men's national team is the perfect micro cos of that. the coach has lived in the u.s. for loong time. he's actually a german citizen. one of the players born in norway to an american mother. five of the players are german

american who fathers who served in germany in the u.s. military. on monday, americans became well acquainted with john brooks who scored the winning goal against ghana. brooks has never lived in the united states. on his left elbow he has a tattoo of berlin and on the other a map of illinois with a star marking the city of chicago because that's where his father grew up. nancy pelosi sent out a tweet that said immigrants help drive america's success even in the world cup. look what the u.s. national team would be without them. #thetimeisnow. while it should be pointed out that not one of the players on the men's national team is actually an immigration, i appreciate what the democratic leader was trying to say here, we are all better because of the melting pot this country has become and so is the men's national soccer treatment. it's reflected in the team photo and in the photos of the viewing parties held in places like

chicago's grant park. at 6:00 p.m., americans across the country myself included will once again be rooting for the u.s. as it takes on portugal in the second match. i will be among those cheer, but i will also be rooting for everything that i believe the team stands for and represents. we're joined now by someone who knows a little bit about soccer i think. she's former goalkeeper for the u.s. national team. brianna scurry. she won a gold cup and a pair of olympic gold medals. and mike pes ka of slate, also a sports contributor at npr. brianna, i want to start with you, thank you for joining us. it's always cool to have you here, mike. >> no gold meddles. >>. >> we still love you. everybody gets world cup fever. i watched that world cup that the u.s. women's team won with great excitement. i do think one of the really cool things is when you look at

a lot of the teams around the world, you can tell which team it is by how they look. you look at the mayor condition team, you can tell who they are by how they look because they look so different and come from all parts of the globe. >> absolutely. like you say, america is a melting pot. in my experience, the more flavor you can have on the team, the different attitudes. all of us have a desire to win and all of us are essentially from immigrant parents, and so having that be a vision in showing in the competition of the team makes us able to get behind the team and the coach for making that point and showing that and picking the best players. so far it's been working out great. >> mike s that part of what makes the u.s. team so exciting? >> of course, soccer is the near national game. america has guys from germany, an icelandic guy. an american on the italian

people. >> i didn't know about him. >> the german national team has turkish and polish guys. i would say america, we have a very ethical definition of who gets to play for our team. you have to be a citizen. a lot of other countries, there's a lot of trying to gain favor with the talented 16-year-old played for us in a tournlt and you're wedded to us forever. we saw in the game between germany and ghana two brothers playing on different sides. i do think it's a cool thing. i do think it means that soccer is the international borders. it gives mary cans an advantage because the other country haves a style of play they're always wedded to. brazil with the beautiful game and spain with ticky-tack passes. america itself, just being very innovative in the moment and seeing what your strengths are. >> brianna, how would you characterize the play of the

u.s. men's team this year? >> i am very excited about the men's team. klinsmann has gone to great lengths to try to mold the team in a way that is more dynamic, more exciting to watch, a winner of a team, and i think the game against ghana was a fantastic example of that. john brooks, the gentleman who scored the game winning goal, he was the one who got beat on the goal before that by the ghanan player. you see him trying to knock the ball away from him. unfortunately he wasn't able to do that. what he did, he picked himself off the ground, instead of being sorry for himself, he got the usa spirit in his heart and five minutes later scores the game winning goal. the look on his face was pure gold. >> if an actor did that look to try to convey surprise, you'd say tone it down. it doesn't seem authentic. >> yet, there's also a big

problem despite the fact that soccer is the international game, there is a big problem with racism in soccer. famously back in april, in an april game playing for his professional club in barcelona, danny alvez had a banana thrown at him, which i'm told is not uncommon for bananas to be thrown at black players. he picked it up, took a bite and cast it aside. >> it's common in soccer. the federation and fifa have a "say no to racism" campaign. they're very mindful of it. it's something that's a bit of a nick on the sport, but they're working to try to improve that. danny alvez had that kind of response is a fantastic way to handle it. good for him. >> we can see a lot of famous folks eating bananas in

solidarity with danny. is fifa doing enough to combat racism? is this coming from the soccer holligan culture? >> hooliganism is on the decline. we think of dudes rooting for the raiders and put on mad max attire. these are essentially maf owes is a and they kill people in argentina. fifa is doing what they have to do. it's an easy wayne for them to say they're against racism. if soccer is the world game, there is racism in the world. these supporters of certain teams engage in these not just racist but homophobic chants. fifa says maybe we can find you different players -- there are players who have not been allowed to play in the world cup, croatian player, said some racist thing. i will say this, i don't like to give fifa any credit. if they really were ethical,

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right now. right now all they're thinking about is doing the execution they've been told to do by the coach and getting ready for that game. after being in four world cups myself and three olympic games, what i used to do is what i call eec, execution and emotional control. so if our guys use that and have their execution -- they're going to get their chances -- and then have emotional control when things go a little sideways or don't go their way, they'll do great. >> that's the hardest part, keeping your head in the right place even if you get behind or you get maybe a call that you don't agree with. that's one of the biggest challenges. >> right. the emotional control part of eec is easily followed if a bad thing happens, like a goal, for example, when i used to play, if i gave up a goal, i gave myself from the moment that goal was scored until the kickoff began to be upset about it. at that point i shelf it.

that's what the emotional control is. you deal with the current situation. you think about it. that's what john brooks did. like i said earlier, he had something bad happen, but he had gotten over it by the time the ball was kicked off. look what he did a few minutes later. >> need to learn this for life actually, mike. so the game tonight, the u.s. is down a very important player josie 589 tore. >> my advice would be jdl, just don't lose. if they win they're all but guaranteed to be in. the tie between germany and ghana yesterday actually gave them a 20% shot to win the entire group. they have i'd say about a 65 -- two-thirds chance to advance at all. it really all depends on not losing this game. a tie won't kill them. a loss will be tough. if you look another if they have a chance to win this game, yes, josie is hurt, but pepe, the

defender, he had a foul he's out. portugal is down and their best player -- when i say is more important than any other player is to their team. portugal is a bunch of okay players and maybe the best in the world. but renaldo is hurt and his knee is hurt. >> he's not full strength. >> he's very not much full strength. i think he eis by far the equalizer. so, if you want to look at the rankings, this is a 14th ranked country in the u.s., you want to look at the betting. portugal is still a 3-1 favorite by people making bets. i think the u.s. in actuality has a third of a chance to win and a third of a chance to tie. >> i was asking him because he's such a cheer for the underdog. he always backs the underdog and a lot of times like in u.s. olympic basketball the u.s. is so heavily favored that he

actually cheers for a lithuania or whoever is the cinderella story. it's cool for him because he can cheer for the u.s. because we are the underdog. who do you like in the world cup overall putting aside the fact that the u.s. is great? >> the world cup has been incredibly interesting to me because the one consistency about the world cup this year is the inconsistent results that you've seen. costa rica is already through. different teams you're not used to seeing. spain is out already, england is out already. teams that are traditionally very, very good teams are out. right now i'm looking for a team that has a little bit more consistency. so, one of the teams i like a lot is argentina. i know they're maybe not favored to win and now he'll get into gear and start playing and argentina might have a chance and, of course, you can't omit the favorites which are brazil. they are the favorite team.

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>> even with pirates in charge. >> within the spirit of soccer this month, one of the things that we're trying to do is bring soccer to the underserved and underprivileged communities in the u.s. >> that's great. >> that's something that i'm very passionate about and something i really like to do. two of the organizations that are blazing the trails for that. soccer for success and america scores. >> could you be any more amazing? what should we know? >> monday, wednesday, thursday, 10:00 a.m. all the supreme court reporters and all the politic junkies are going to be waiting for decisions in the cases we just discussed. >> i want to thank mike pesca and goalkeeper briana scurry and thank you for joining us, steve will be back next weekend, saturday and sunday at 8:00 a.m. eastern time. coming up next is melissa

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