infiltrated our culture like it hasn't before. >> if you follow football, if you follow european football, if you follow soccer, you saw halfway through the game -- and i kept calling joey, my son, who is a soccer snob. he would rather say that barry manilow is the future of alternative music than say american soccer is great! >> i called him halfway through. joey, you got to stop being a hater. he said, we are playing european style. >> yeah. >> football. it was stunning what unfolded yesterday and forget the last 10, 15 seconds it was stunning what happened. >> what you had was finally a lot of people from different demographics watching people who wouldn't often watch football this way or join in and get into it and it was really one of the greatest games ever -- matches ever, ever. >> did you see the fans in chicago, bobby? they cut away to the fans in

dallas and i looked at those crowds and a lot of people love to say it's going to get big in this country and it never does. it's gotten big in this country. >> oh, yeah, we live in the upper east side, nine floors up. both of the goals you can hear the cheers from the street. they were cheering from the bars and restaurants nearby. every restaurant whether you're a sports fan or not, have it up for the world cup. this is serious. >> it cuts across, most excitingly, it cuts across all demographic lines. >> only 40 years later than it might have happened. 40 years in the making and if the u.s. gets through and gets -- somehow finds a combination to get to the next round, i think it will really be a breakthrough moment. i worry if they don't, the thing could be snuffed out a little bit. >> 76% odds of them going forward. >> yeah. you would much rather be in our

position than anybody else's. >> it was a great weekend all around. >> talk about graduation. that was amazing. >> i have a picture. i know. my daughter graduated from high school. >> let's see. >> so i took a moment to celebrate and that is her so it was absolutely wonderful, gorgeous, gorgeous day and she is very, very happy to be free! >> she looks like she is very, very happy to be free. >> she was so psyched. it was a beautiful night. i'll try not to indulge myself. >> that's great. she is going off to college? >> she is going to johns hopkins. just before that, i sat down with president obama ahead of today's white house summit on working families. >> just as a matter of fact, right? >> everything comes in clusters in life, right? so, of course, we starrted with the crisis in iraq. take a look. >> you said the war was ended in

iraq. >> yeah. >> you said al qaeda was decimated. you said it was stable. >> it was. and -- but just because something is stable two years ago or four years ago, doesn't mean that it's stable right now. >> right. >> i had more questions for him about that. we are going to play the full interview ahead. back to the world cup. are we going back to the world cup, tower, really? >> you can tell she's a big fan. >> i just think that's -- >> you got to show all of the goals. >> a remarkable game last night. the united states fell behind 1-0 early and an ugly way to start. first ten minutes, portugal absolutely dominated but the united states after giving up this early goal came storming back, first, with a beautiful world class strike from jermaine jones. this shot was incredible. an angle there. clint dempsey with the go ahead

goal. less than 10:00 to go in regulation. portugal would be eliminated if they lost. the game literally was won with seconds left on the clock. a perfect cross from ronaldo. robbing u.s. of the victory. we are going to tell you what it means for the u.s.'s chance to vo advance in a minute. the director of city soccer is gary hopkins. gary, it was so remarkable yesterday on so many fronts what bobby was talking about that much of america just stopped. you know, when you used to go to europe, people would say you should be here during the world cup because during the world cup in europe, everything stops and everybody goes to pubs. that sort of started to happen yesterday but the more remarkable thing -- i know you'll agree with me -- american soccer has been very ugly in the past.

yesterday, about halfway through, it hit me, oh, my god, jurgen klinsmann was transformed american soccer. we can play with the best teams. >> i was in new york yesterday and everybody was jumping up and down. this was a phenomenal performance and breakout day for american soccer. the whole country watched. this first goal was a disaster for the usa. to come out -- >> it was awful on every front. >> on every front. nothing great about that goal and it looked like it was going to be a horrible day for the usa but this is -- this goal here is world class. this was ronaldo, they would be screaming up and down. a phenomenal goal that got the usa. it was a phenomenal shot. >> what really shocked me, gary, was the subtly. first of all, watch this thing bend. >> how did he do that?

>> if messy did this, we would be talking and it would be on youtube and watched a million times. what shocked me, though, was how they moved the ball around with ease, how they passed it with subtly. how they found open space time and time again. >> this team is brilliantly coached. jurgen klinsmann was won the world cup. germany won the world cup three times. this team beautifully coached. they are brave. they are honest, hard working. they play european style and didn't panic when they went down 1-0 and carried on playing and passing the ball around which good teams do. i said yesterday, this is a honest good -- that save there by tim howard saved our game there. >> unbelievable. >> had that gone in, 2-0, it would be all over. >> tim howard made up for slipping on the first goal. an extraordinary thing. listen. we have got a reporter. we are talking about the

positives. a lot of politicians that i like that i have to say some really tough things about. got to say michael bradley has had a horrible tournament. he had a horrible first match. absolutely miserable. i've never seen him play as badly and yesterday he missed an easy goal and then he was the one that gave the ball away with 15, 20 seconds left. michael bradley has choked time and again. here is the first choke. two feet away. the goalkeeper was out of there. he still missed it. he gave the ball up at the end when we had to hold it 15 seconds. the ronaldo goal never would have happened if he hadn't given it away. >> games in world cups are are decided in the little moments of brilliance or failure that cause the problems. he really should have scored there but not take away from the performance from the team. klinsmann has always been about team over individual. there will be poor performances but this was a group of kids and

players performing phenomenal. the world is taking a look at this and saying, we are coming of age. it was a great day for u.s. soccer. you know what? i do believe we will go through. germany had beaten ghana over the weekend which they should have done, we would be through now. >> it would be over. >> look. all is not lost. this, by the way, great performance with thursday coming. what we need to happen, we need portugal to beat ghana by just one goal. goal difference comes into play here. >> this happens at 11:30 on thursday. if portugal or ghana draw, if portugal wins, the united states is through. if the united states and germany draw, the united states is through. the worse thing that could happen is a big win by germany and big win by ghana and hope it doesn't happen. 11:30 on thursday, i have a feeling a lot of people are not working too hard then.

thank you, gary. appreciate it. >> thank you, gary. >> after the goal, everybody said, we need to go to this place and watch. i said, yeah, we do. then i thought "morning joe" staff need to go to our undisclosed location. >> i'm not allowed there. >> we went there four years ago. >> let's go to a place where i'm allowed. >> we will get you back in there. mika absolutely destroyed this pub we went to. we got added insurance. call that place if you will, alex. call that place and we are all going down there at 11:30. i am totally superstitious when it comes to sports. we were there last time. >> maybe i should flip a table again. >> i'm concerned. the 6:00 sunday plus at this time of the year, nothing else going on. >> you know what the biggest shock was? abc didn't carry it. >> that is surprising. >> because i guarantee you, it got more eyeballs than anything abc ran. >> it was amazing. a lot to get to. >> bobby, real quick? >> we spent the first ten

minutes of this show talking about soccer so if you want proof that soccer is big in this country, that is the proof. >> i guarantee you most of the people watching this show, most were watching the game. >> i got and e-mail joe better be on tomorrow because we don't want you talking all about soccer. >> roger bennett is calling collect from rio very soon. >> he is in the right mind? >> he is going to be calling collect. but he'll be live. >> he'll be watching. >> he's on camera. let's hope -- >> oh, he is? >> he's on camera? that's fantastic. >> we worked that out for you. secretary of state john kerry arrived in baghdad this morning ago the u.s. tries to bolster iraq's security forces in the face of a raging insurgency. militants from the group isis now control two keyboard posts in the west. those checkpoints are among several targets toppled by the

sunni gunmen over the weekend. american-made humvees seized in iraq are used in the syrian campaign as well. crossing the boundary the group intens intends to erase off the mark. u.s. is losing patience with nuri al maliki. here is more of my conversation with the president about iraq anded wider concept of the middle east. >> reporter: you said that the war was ended in iraq. >> yeah. >> reporter: you said that al qaeda was decimated. >> yes. >> reporter: you said it was stable. >> it was. but just because something is stable two years ago or four years ago doesn't mean that it's stable right now. and what we have is a situation in which, in part, because of growing mistrust between sunni and shia, some of the forces that have always possibly pulled iraq apart are stronger now. those forces that could keep the

country united are weaker. it is ultimately going to be up to the iraqi leadership to try to pull the politics of the country back together again. >> reporter: would you have moved differently in syria, given this eruption in iraq and given that the chaos has spilled over now? >> you know, if what you're suggesting is that there was a simple solution in syria that would have avoided the civil war and chaos there, that is just not true. you had a ruthless dictator that started killing his own people and you had the makings of a modern opposition that still exist and that we still work with, but not an opposition that was going to be in a position any time soon to be able to

compete with an army, hezbollah, iran and russia supporting the regime and they weren't going to immediately compete with a bunch of hardened jihadists who had moved into the vacuum in some of these areas. i think that one of the things that the american people at least understand is that these societies are going through these enormous transformations. there was a long period after world war ii in which authoritari authoritarian regiming were able to obtain even though sectarian divisions. as those regimes have begun to collapse or break apart, in part, because of corruption and, in part, because of, you know,

changes in society generally and economic pressures, you know, there is going to be this long difficult transition moving to a different kind of society in the middle east, and what we can do is work with the best impulses there. folks who understand moderation and tolerance trying to deliver for their people. we have to deal with the worst impulses there. the extremists that isis represents. what we are not able to do is play whackmo where they occupy those countries long periods of time and think we will solve those problems. that season sis ea that. >> we will have much more of the interview with mika's interview with the president in our 7:00 hour. doesn't sound like much change

in the policy. what about moving forward? did you ask him about, like, afghanistan? did he learn from the mistakes from iraq that we should not just. our troops out of afghanistan? >> he doesn't see it that way. he says there's absolutely no change in policy. like you heard, he is not playing whackemo. >> i'm listening to the president there, and it doesn't sound like we're doing anything other than adopting a whackemo strategy because we didn't do anything in syria and now here we are chasing around isis. >> yeah. it certainly doesn't have a great deal of confidence. it's an ad hoc policy. i have a little bit of sympathy for him because i don't think there are any good options. i think to try to have a more

massive campaign, lindsey graham, we then become maliki's air force. that's not such a good idea. >> do you believe there is no change of policy in afghanistan? the president told mika later in the interview that what happened in iraq won't impact him getting all troops out of afghanistan by 2016. i find that remarkable statement and i don't believe he is going to stick by that. what do you think? >> i agree. i think it's most likely they will keep a small residual force there depending on what the political situation is in afghanistan. hopefully, it's better than maliki and sadr a couple of years ago in iraq. i don't think we should suggest for a moment that is a panacea. 5,000 forces in iraq right now and i expect some of the disintegration you're seeing today. >> we were commenting while we were watching your interview,

mika. we have watched this guy eight years now. i've never seen a less engaged look in his eyes. he almost seemed, i don't want to say checked out because that is not the right thing, but watching him, his cadence was different. he feels like he almost wants to go home at this point. >> i guess that is one way you could see it. >> just watching. >> that's fine. and he does seem tired but, bobby, i also think he is getting so much criticism for every move he makes on the middle east while, if someone else or if the critics were making those decisions, they perhaps might be making the same ones. >> yes. one of the criticisms -- >> unless you're mccain and lindsey graham and dick cheney. >> the unfair he doesn't leave a force in iraq. he wanted to. the iraqis wouldn't have it. it's not like he didn't want to. if he had his druthers there would be up to 30,000 troops and the number discussed 30,000 troops left in iraq.

maliki said, no, we got this and can look after ourselves. >> i asked him about maliki. >> seems that parted of the criticism is unfair. the u.s. doesn't have a force there because the iraqis wouldn't allow it. >> the criticism i think has the most resonance from republicans in the short term and medium term he is not taking control of things. his analysis of how difficult the problems are in your interview, i think, was very nuanced and very accurate. but some people are saying is, yeah, there are big problems. it's up to the president of the united states to take bold action and address them and not sit and say this is why this is hard, this is why this is hard. >> the terrorists some would say, is profiting every day. picking up more checkpoints and getting more military equipment and picking unfortunate a lot of advantages that is going to help them in the future. we will talk about this, plus a lot more. a lot of news from the irs this

weekend. no apologies coming from the irs. >> they found some e-mails? >> this story keeps getting murkier and murkier. >> it's really bad! >> for the internal revenue service when you look at the services that they supposedly had to back it up. you look at the fact that the e-mails were destroyed soon after the chairman of the ways and means sent a letter starting his inquiry. days later, the e-mails reportedly destroyed. >> if this were a different department. >> they are saying they are not going to apologize. >> joe -- >> this is a tease. >> i have a different kind of company. they always find e-mails. >> 99% of the rest of america and the world also can find their e-mails. still ahead on "morning joe," from "madman" christina hendriks. editor in chief of "glamour"

magazine cindi leive will talk about that also. plus, a mob shakedown. plus hillary clinton problem isn't going away and some democrats say they are concerned. first, here is bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> i'm glad you called out bradley because somebody had to do that. >> just terrible. he's a wonderful guy, he really is, but the first two matches have been dismal. >> a weak spot. see how it goes in match three. as far as the forecast this weekend northeast and great lakes were fantastic. low humidity but not last forever. omaha got nailed with more heavy rain and flash flooding out there. sioux city and sioux falls and the minneapolis and missouri river and a lot of flooding issues the last week and omaha got it bad from thunderstorm complex over the weekend. unfortunately, one fatality. we have some areas that are too

much rain this june and another area that continue to be dry. the drought situation continues to be bad. areas of oklahoma and north texas. but here is the good news. last night, a thunderstorm complex came down from the north and drenched this region. we picked up about a half an inch to an inch of rain. it's not epic rain but helpful for the drought areas now and storms kicking from wichita falls to dallas. if you're in the dallas/ft. worth area you could be driving in heavy rain and lightning an hour from now. oklahoma a good chance of artificial rain. as far as the east goes, the best chances of rain in the east are going to be as we go through tuesday and wednesday from pennsylvania to new york through new england and also down there near atlanta. your forecast on your monday, it's summer. it feels like it across the country. we are very warm and humid. the southern half of the nation. in the northeast enjoy it this isn't going to last much longer. another beautiful day with low humidity from d.c. all the way

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sw who is an american citizen says the family is playing for his safe return. >> from the "l.a. times." >> it's hard to breathe but we are doing it and hard to think about what naftali is going through and hope and optimistic we will see him soon. >> what a situation. the lchl "l.a. times" the pope francis condemned the mafia for evil and contempt for common good. the pope's message is a direct message to those who take part in organized crime. the pope's words are still significant since many mobsters in italy see themselves as devout members of the catholic church. this from "the miami herald." florida extended its controversial stand your ground

law to include warning shots. the bill was inspired, in part, by 33-year-old marisa alexandra who was sentenced to 20 years in prison after firing a shot near her husband who she claimed was abusive. alexander tried to use the stand your ground defense at trial but a judge rejected the claims. prosecutors said the updated law won't help the florida woman because it won't be applied retroactively. that somehow doesn't seem right. >> it doesn't seem right at all. from "the guardian" hillary clinton is setting off a new round of criticism after her wealth. weeks after saying she was dead broke when leaving the white house. the possible 2016 candidate was discussing why she believes americans view her and her husband different than other millionaires telling "the guardian" in part, quote. they don't see me as a part of the problem. because we pay ordinary income unlike a lot of people who are

truly well off not to name names and we've done it through dint of hard work. they are concerned about a repeat of 2012 when republican mitt romney was seen as someone who could not relate to the middle class and chairman of democratic party says this. she has been living 30, going on 40 years with somebody bringing your coffee to you every morning. is it more downton abbey than it is america? >> mark halpern, you can say the same of fdr. >> does anybody have my coffee? i'm looking for my coffee! >> you can say the same of mika. you could also say the same of ronald reagan who came from eureka, but by the time he was president of the united states he had been governor or movie star for 30 years.

i don't know. i think this is -- this sounds like it's a drummed up, made up controversy. >> i don't get it. >> it is one of her big vulnerabilitie vulnerabilities. people want a president they can relate to a little bit and the comments she keeps making about their wealth and outplaying how wealthy they are is a bit of a mistake. she needs to talk about them and not about how she is not rich. >> al, shouldn't somebody should suggest she should stop suggesting she is not wealthy? she has done it twice now. i don't think people resent her and her husband but she keeps talking about truly rich and the clinton's are truly rich. >> she is tone deaf on this. americans don't care if somebody is wealthy, the bush's, jfk, the

clinton's. she is saying we are not really that rich. yes, they are. we earned it the hard way. other people did too. we don't take advantage of things other people do. bloomberg had a story last week that they have. but you can't say i'm one of you and i'm really not a money person when you are a money person. if you just acknowledge it and move on to other issues, i think she would be okay. >> she makes millions off of books and hundreds of thousands dollars off of speeches. i think most americans are okay with that. just don't tell people that you're poor. it is tone deafness but this also points to the wall street crowd i told you they were so connected with. they are around billionaires all the time. they have been surrounded by the wealthiest people in the world over the past 10, 15, 20 years, and that is the only way she could look at her fabulous wealth and say they are not

wealthy. >> i want to know how they are are handling wall street and what she is going to do to deal with the rising inequality in this question and rather than deflecting questions about her wealth. nobody can compete with hillary clinton when it comes to working hard. usually women work a lot harder and hillary clinton is one of those people. >> i think this is much to do about nothing if hillary clinton makes it much to do about nothing and say, yes, my husband and i really wealthy. >> send us a message about what you will do. >> thank you very much. i don't think americans or democrats have a problem with that. coming up what do we have? >> round two of the commissioner of the irs who is headed back to chi capitol hill today. will his answers satisfy this time around? ♪ monday monday so good to me ♪ ♪ monday morning

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line, them getting a letter from the chairman of the ways and means about a possible inquiry a week later or so, the e-mails being destroyed. no backup system. i mean, there's -- >> they don't need donny. they need $10 million. >> why do they need $10 million? >> so they can have accurate computers. >> it was a malfunction. >> a glitch. >> a glitch! they actually -- just let people know you're being sarcastic so you don't get bombarded with tweets. >> can i just do the news? it's pretty awful. >> it's pretty awful. >> a test for the media. >> i wonder why the media, mika, have been lap dogs on this scandal? at least this part of it thus far. it is so suspicious. >> well, look. >> i'm not hearing anything. >> it's painful that this is the irs we are talking about, because -- >> right. >> -- because that is exactly what they command from everybody

in the united states. they make our lives miserable the paper work they want from us and to find. today the commissioner of the irs is back on capitol hill. last week some lawmakers accused him of lying about missing e-mails relating to the targeting of agency groups. agency commissioner says the e-mails were on computers that crashed. >> and were later thrown away. >> they say recycled, joe. take a listen. >> this is not being forthcoming! this is being misleading again! this is a pattern of abuse, a p pattern of behavior that is not giving us any confidence that this agency is being impartial! i don't buy -- i don't believe you. this isn't credible. >> i have a long career. that's the first time anybody has said that you do not believe me. >> i don't believe you. >> that's fine. we can have a disagreement. i'm willing to stand on our record.

>> the missing e-mails involve several top irs employees including lois lerner who has in charge of the agency's tax exempt unit. >> really quickly, this is a test for the media, why do you say that, mark halpern? >> even people sympathetic to the admission says looks weird and suspicious it's incumbent on all of the national media to aggressively ask more questions. the republicans in congress are asking questions. i think with a different administration, one that was a republican administration, this story would be a national obsession and, instead, it's getting coverage here and a few other places but it deserves a lot more questions. >> bobby, you're agreeing? >> absolutely. if they were targeting democratic groups and had been a republican president, i think it would be in the front pages of every newspaper for weeks. >> al hunt, this has smelled from the very beginning -- remember a couple of summers ago, lois lerner gives a strange press conference and ron

fournier wrote something about the misleading statements the past couple of years and how the administration is trying to downplay it and so much of what they have said doesn't turn out to be true. based on what you've read, based on what you've seen, based on what you've heard the past couple of years, what is your best take on what is happening at the irs and what has happened and where it goes from here? >> yeah. i actually think there's been reasonably aggressive coverage, mark. i'll send you a bunch of "the new york times" pieces. i don't think it's covered up by the press. i think it's qufconfusing, howe. there is no evidence there is political interference. there is clear evidence there was absolutely outrageous behavior by bureaucrats. there was clearly some targeting that went on. some of it grows out of the citizens united case. there are people who ought to be

punished, perhaps even prosecuted. the critical question remains whether there was political interference from the top, either the treasury or the white house, and everything we have seen so far suggests not. but more is to be investigated. >> i just don't think we can presume a presumption of innocence because the white house says the treasury doesn't involved. >> i can look at "the new york times" right now and i haven't seen the front page yesterday. >> i think yesterday. >> but you have a situation, again, where somebody was, again, where the chairman of the ways and means -- i find it hard to believe that the democratic chairman of the ways and means sent a republican administration a letter saying we are going to begin an inquiry about you targeting individual americans and political groups that don't like republicans. and then a week or so later, e-mails from the top leaders at the irs disappear? i find that hard to believe that would not be on the front page

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shows with republican senator rand paul and former vice president dick cheney trading sharp criticism. rand paul a possible candidate for 2016 saying the u.s. taking a more active role in iraq saying it's wrong for blaming president obama for the extremists insurgence and says the responsibility lies with the previous administration. >> were there weapons of mass destruction there? was the war won in 2005 when many of these people said it was won? they didn't really, i think, understand the civil war that would break out and what is going on now, i don't blame on president obama. does he have the solution? maybe there is no solution but i do blame the iraq war on the chaos that is in the middle east. >> but the former vice president remains a strong supporter of the iraq invasion in 2003. he said senator paul's views on foreign policy would leave the u.s. more vulnerable to another

9/11 style attack. >> we spend our time debating what happened 11 or 12 years ago, we are going to miss the threat that is growing and that we do face. rand paul, with all due respect, is basically an zilisolationist. one of the things i worried about 12 years ago and that i worry about today there will be another 9/11 attack and the next time it will be with weapons far deadlier than airline tickets and box cutters. >> how much did we spend on the iraq war? maybe if we took that money and put it to different use as far as fighting potential jihadists, we would prevent that next 9:/1. his logic is so flawed, it's ridiculous. >> you see two ideologues there. one is a neoconservatism that

believes in total engage the and you have rand paul like his father i don't know if you call them noninterventionists to the extreme and that the battle for the future of the republican on foreign policy. i think in the end it comes somewhere in the middle, but there is no doubt what is going on right now in iraq, you're going to have a lot of people in the republican party blaming it on the president, but a lot of people in the republican party also believe that's what the entire world would look like if rand paul were president, and you had absolutely no engagement in the world. >> so what i liked about his response, rand paul's, i was sort of surprised by his entire performance on "meet the press" in a really positive way, but he was -- that was teed up, that sound bite, from david gregory taking what dick cheney said last week that no president has done more damage than this president. rand paul didn't take the red

meat and go double down on it. he basically said it wasn't fair to say that and was very honest about what he thought, but did not take some sort of extreme side. it was very measured and really a great sign, i think, for a real conversation to happen between republicans and democrats. >> could be. >> that's the way you win votes if you're a republican. you don't line up universally and say every once in a while this is not his fault. >> it takes confidence to speak out against their party. you struck a lot of people with your travels that you're willing to do that and so did rand paul. >> you guys were talking about the missing e-mails. we are going to be doing a segment on the walmart story coming up so let me read this from "wall street journal" about those missing e-mails. kimberly says lois lerner e-mails are lost and need

finding. it tells us congress is sniffing down the right trail. as to miss learners's behavior consider that daver camp first sent a letter asking if the irs was engaged in targeting in june of 2011. miss lerner denied it. she engineered a plant in an audience at a tax conference in targeting. she has asserted fifth amendment right to silence congress. now we learn her hard drive supposedly defied to surviand s total annihilation. >> the computers were thrown away when, again, any of us -- we all know -- we all know if my

computer crashes, i know my e-mails are still out there on the server. or i know that they are somewhere in the hard drive. i've known this since prehistoric times like since the late 1980s when they said, it's always there. we have all heard that. they throw the computers away. >> no. >> what is going on? >> republicans in congress need to do a competent investigation. i'd like to see some democrats in congress ask tough questions. the press needs to. the president as far as he says there has been no wrongdoing this is all bureaucratic bundling, i think great for him because we need faith in the irs to maybe say we need to take a second look at this. >> what do you think, mika? >> oh, definitely. this looks bad, this looks bad. to sort of say it doesn't -- i would clean house. i'm serious. this looks terrible. even if it is some big bungled mistake but i can't even believe that, can you? and maybe it's our own personal feelings toward the irs and what

we have to provide them with in terms of accurate detail and every little receipt of every little thing we ever do and they can't find a whole bunch of e-mails? they lost the computer and throw it away? are you kidding me? after someone raised a red flag about targeting? are you kidding? if this were my doubt, i would say, you know, i'm sorry, but you're not telling the truth. >> i think the reason, joe, where it hasn't escalated, i think the average american thinks there is something gong on. if this was even semidotted line. >> i'm not sure it does. >> i'm not condoning it. >> i will only say -- you assume that because you're a democrat. i will only say what mark halpern said during break. if this had happened in george w. bush's administration, george w. bush's irs commissioner would be a household name by now. just would. >> okay. fair enough. >> that's a really good point,

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doing good. doing good. no, don't fly. don't fly. oh, [ bleep ]! yes! [ bleep ] yeah! >> that is joe. it's you! definitely you. >> it looks like a rat with wings! >> that's me. >> i think the owl was beautiful. i would have kept it. >> really? maybe give it a name so you could teach it to talk? >> i love owl. did you see those eyes? amazing. all right. speaking of eyes. now a face only a mother could love. say hello to peanut! the world's ugliest dog officially. it's not exactly clear. >> i can't look at that dog. i seriously cannot look at that dog. >> when you see the teeth is what does it. >> it's not clear what breed it is but come a long way. peanut is a 2-year-old rescue

and he was abused and injured in a fire and has no lips or eye lids. she plans to use the prize money to buy for vet bills and hopes the big win will call attention to animal abuse. peanut! there is love in that dog's face, right? so cute! >> look at those teeth! >> al hunt? my goodness! it's been great to have you here. how are the senators doing? >> i like peanut. i like peanut. >> how are the nationals? what is going on with the nationals? >> first place, joe. i went out yesterday. got back in time to watch the world cup but they are going to get everybody back in the second half and we are going to be in the world series. >> what story are you working on this week, al? >> well, you have given me all of my clues this morning. irs, iraq. i'm just going to follow you, as always. >> there you go. >> al, you're the best.

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ronaldo. a great cross. usa denied right to the death. >> i thought we were going to win the last couple of minutes. they made a goal. that's soccer. >> we have to beat germany. >> we will win this. i understand that. >> iraq in turmoil. the insurgents make new gain. >> we golden gate bridge iraq in a few days and go to jordan with lebanon, no problem. >> you said the war ended in iraq. you said it was stable. >> it was. >> i don't blame it on president obama. does he have the solution? maybe there is no solution. >> rand paul, with all due respect, is basically an isolationist. he doesn't believe we ought to be involved in that part of the world. i think it's essential. >> pope francis made his feeling on the group very clear.

>> the irs commissioner refused to apologize. he denies there is any cover-up. >> i don't think an apology is owed. welcome back to "morning joe." donny deutsche is bus and mark halpern and bobby ghosh is still bus and joy reed is here in washington. senior political editor and white house correspondent for "the huffington post" sam stein. a lot to talk about. i want to very quickly go to bobby ghosh. we held you over just for a couple of minutes because of something you said right after we went off the air. this, you say, is the most successful terrorist operation in history, and talk about the gains they have made in iraq. stung figures you gave us. >> yes, joe. isis now controls a territory larger than the country of jordan. there are six, 7 million people living in that territory. that alone makes them incredibly successful. they control borders between iraq and syria and one border

post between iraq and jordan and 17 miles off saudi arabia. no terrorist group, not even al qaeda has held this much territory and been able to govern. they are not simply blowing stuff up and killing people, they are actually governing. this is the scale of the problem that iraq faces and if the rest of the world says, it's their problem, not ours, we have another thing coming. a group this successful they will not confine themselves to iraq for very long. >> bobby, you're exactly right. when we have a terrorist group that controls an area and it's staggering, bobby, when you tell us this. they control an area larger than jordan. and a terror group is making gains. big gains. that is not a problem for iraq. that's not a problem for syria. that's a problem for the world. >> the secretary of state is on his way there this morning and we are going to have more discussion on that and more updates coming up in a moment. but, first, the world cup.

>> you saw the game? >> i saw the game. you know what? i saw the game which is a point. >> was there screaming? you don't watch tv? was there screaming going on at your house? >> i was trying to get an early start on going to bed and i heard screaming so i had to go downstairs and take a look because they were running around the house and jumping up and down. the u.s. national steam came storming back. first, with a beautiful world class strike from jermaine jones. >> unbelievable. >> it's worth looking at again. incredible the way it has a curve on it, right, joe? >> it does. >> not that one. clint dempsey with the go ahead goal. portugal equalizing the game and literally seconds left on the clock with a perfect cross from chri christiano ronaldo. we will tell but the chances for the united states to advance

baugh is there still hope? >> we have seen this and i'm sure a lot of people. we keep replaying this goal. i wish we could stop and i'm serious. this is a team that played extraordinarily well. mark halpern, a squad that played the fourth ranked team in the world and we outplayed them for 70 minutes. a horrible ten minutes. when it first started i thought we were going to lose 6-0. then we came storming back and controlled the pace. we controlled the tempo of the game. and we just got beaten by a mistake. a goal goes in in the end. an incredible match for the united states. >> the u.s. team has a style that incorporates a lot of european style but a lot of american style. the long balls that were effective yesterday. as you said, the u.s. gave up that cheap goal early, they held their composure and outplayed portugal the entire match. now if we can get through, the

u.s. find a way to get to the final round, it would be fantastic for america. >> we will talk about this in a few minutes a lot more. roger bennett is race to go a camera right now. he had fallen asleep. actually, he passed out on a beach in rio. we are wiping the drool and sand off his face and roger will be here in one minute to talk about the match. secretary of state john kerry arrived in baghdad this morning as the u.s. tries to bolster iraq security forces in the face of a raging insurgency. militants from the group isis now control two key border posts in the west and easing the flow of fighters and weapons into the war zone and checkpoints among several targets toppled by sunni gunmen over the weekend. american-made humvees seized in iraq are used in the syrian campaign as well and crossing a boundary the group intends to erase off the map. obama administration says it has

no intention of picking iraq's leaders but u.s. officials are clearly losing patience with embattled prime minister nuri al maliki. here is more of my conversation with the president. >> reporter: does the situation in iraq at all make you consider afghanistan differently? especially as it pertains to taking the troops out by 2016. >> no. i think that what we have done, assuming that the afghans sign a security agreement that gives our troops immunity, which the iraqis decline to do, we're prepared to have a residual force that helps to continue to train their forces, to continue to help stabilize the situation as you have a new government coming in, but keep in mind that our goal in afghanistan was to decapitate al qaeda, which had carried out 9/11. that has been accomplished. now afghanistan is, you know, a

sovereign country that is going to have to deal with its own security. that doesn't mean there couldn't potentially be problems there. just as there are in iraq. unless we are prepared to stay indefinitely in all of these various countries, something we can't afford and, you know, would involve, over time, accusations we were occupying these countries, you know, at some stage, they are going to have to take responsibility for working together. >> reporter: is this part of reality going back into iraq? because you said that the war was ended in iraq. >> yeah. >> reporter: you said al qaeda was decimated. you said it was stable. >> it was. and -- but just because something is stable two year ago or four years ago doesn't mean it's stable right now. it is ultimately going to be up to the iraqi leadership to try to pull the politics of the country back together again.

in the meantime, we have got an organization, isis, that has the ability to, you know, at least, right now in western iraq, cause a lot of havoc and violence and, over time, could pose a serious threat to the united states. that doesn't mean that we reoccupy iraq. it does mean that we are going to have to do our best to work with partners in the region, including hopefully a coherent iraqi government to slowly chip away at some of the advances that they have made. >> reporter: would you have moved differently in syria, given this eruption in iraq and given that the chaos has spilled over now? >> you know, if what you're suggesting is that there was a simple solution in syria that would have avoided the civil war and chaos there, that's just not true. you know, you had a ruthless

dictator that started killing his own people and you had the makings of a moderate opposition that still exists and that we still work with. i think that one of the things that the american people, at least, understand is that these societies are going through these enormous transformations and what we can do is work with the best impulses there. folks who understand moderation, tolerance are trying to deliver for their people. we are going to have to deal with some of the worst impulses there. the extremism that isis represents. what we are are not able to do is play wakamo and chase wherever extremists appear, occupy those countries for long periods of time and think somehow that we are going to solve those problems. that's something that even as the world's lone superpower

exceeds our capabilities. >> reporter: do you think prime minister maliki has demonstrated the ability to bring iraq together given what with we have seen him do since 2006. >> what i said yesterday is an election has just taken place and an opportunity to form a new government there. the test now, not just for mr. maliki or the leadership in iraq, are they able to set aside their suspicions, their sectarian preferences for the good of the whole? and we don't know. the one thing i do know is that if they fail to do that, then no amount of military action by the united states can hold that country together. >> we are going to have more of mika's interview with the president about working families coming up in the 8:00 hour. mika, though, you've seen the president, you've been with the president several times over the

past six years. how did you find him on friday? >> we had ten minutes and those are the parameters and i'm there for the working family summit today and that is what they were expecting questions for. i spent predominantly the first 6:00, 7:00 of the interview on this. >> he had longer answers so, i mean, i'm being serious. you asked questions and he went on for a while so that took up, obviously, a lot of time. >> it did although he ran over a little bit when we started talking about the plight of working families because that is so important to him. having said that, you get a sense that this presidency theme wise is running the gamuts those in the office and run against him. he does not want to be engaged in all of these countries indefinitely. he does not and still does not even after what we are seeing in iraq spill over and he made that pretty clear. he doesn't want to play wakamo and doesn't think this country

should be doing that and thinks being country is behind him on that. >> bobby, you said those who do not want to be involved have no choice. that includes the saudis. this terror group that controls an area larger than jordan is getting close to saudi arabia. >> within 70 miles of the saudi border. the saudis were okay with isis if they were battling against assad because they consider assad an enemy. now isis is getting close to the saudi borders i imagine they are nervous about that. >> they realize they have to do something living in an isolationist world. >> a post-iraq world. i think much of the reason that barack obama is president is because of his opposition to the iraq war within a democratic primary, that was a key reason he was able to beat hillary clinton, and i think the aversion to getting back into --

let's be honest. there wouldn't be a sunni insurgency had we not invaded iraq. when rand paul is speaking, i think the majority of americans agree with him and with the president we don't want to get remired in that muck in iraq. but, in a lot of ways it is a mess of our own creation. we invaded that country. >> what do we do now? >> that is the question. you talk about the saudis. they were funding isis and sending money. a sunni insurgency, the vast majority of the air world is sunni so you did have money flowing in from places like qatar and saudi arabia in and now they are robbing banks i guess they don't need that money any more. it's a good question. >> and we have to figure it out. with us from rio to tell us -- oh, wait a second. maybe not. let's bring in roger. >> wow! those are some mountains behind you. >> we took off the beach where he wiped out and wiped the drool

off his fred and now he is ready to talk. take us through your impressions of the game yesterday, not just the last 15 seconds. >> the last 15 seconds have left you americans as close as i think you'll ever come, joe, to feeling like we english people do every single second of every single day. but this morning, the morning after, definitely a football hangover. i think there's a lot to be proud of. it was a terrific performance and truly an american performance of the future where your u.s. team took on portugal. ronaldo, the fourth best team in the world and dominated large spells of the game and also incredible pain and emotional and some gut punch your boys took. i said if you tie you would be a happy man. >> exactly, roger. let's go back to what everybody was saying, including yourself and me and the coach of team usa before this tournament began and

that is that we hoped the team liked rio because they weren't advancing through the round. odds have 78% of getting through this round. halfway through the game i called joey scarborough. a snoker snub. earlier i said he would rather than listen to barry manilow albums 24 hours a day than say u.s. soccer is good and joey said okay. he said jurgen klinsmann's experiment has paid off and we are playing as well as european teams. it was a pretty stunning display last night, wasn't it? >> it's true, joe. they love barry manilow here and named this beach after one of his favorite songs. this is mandy beach right behind me. you're right, joe. it's the hunger games in cleats and if i would have said to you after two games your u.s. team would have four points, be undefeated and have a chance of going through, you wouldn't have believed me. at halftime what they were 1-0 down if i said would you take a

tie? you would have said yes. this is american soccer now. you have expectations and you s expect you deserve to beat portugal. you go against germany. that is like a shakespearean play. klinsmann who goched germacoacho the semifinal and going against his number two. many of the players whom he has coached before with many of our players being german american, it's a wonderful game in prospect. the big question, does the u.s. have enough mentally and physically after a grueling game in the jungle to go again. >> talk about how the u.s. team matches up on the field with the german side in terms of style and in terms of speed and in terms of what both sides have shown in the tournament so far. >> this german team is the deepest team, the most talented

team arguably in the world cup. they are like the darth vader of world football. we are definitely luke skywalker in this equation. man for man, the germans on paper win. you don't win the game -- >> but, roger, if germany and american both go through shouldn't we sit at halfway at midfield and say what is up with you? >> you come from a world of diplomacy, joe. you understand how the back room deals work better than i do. fingers crosseded. >> okay. roger bennett, thank you. bobby ghosh, thank you as well. >> thank you. >> we are watching the reed report at 2:00 p.m. coming up today on msnbc. thank you, joy. >> thank you. >> still in office and in office 22 teamers but could this be congressman charlie rangel's last? we take you to harlem. walmart getting back after called a net drain on taxpayers.

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♪ all right. here's is the question. does walmart pay its employees enough? the focus of a new op-ed in "the new york times." timmy egan writes this walmart the world's largest public corporation is a big part of the problem. and could be a big part of the solution. they are humiliating wages, force thousands of employees to look to food stamps and medicaid and other for a forms of welfare and a sign appearing at a walmart in ohio last year asking people to donate food so that

the company's employees could enjoy thanksgiving. it was a perfect symbol what have is wrong with the nation's most despised retailer. working at walmart may not make you poor but it certainly keeps you poor at the expense of the rest of us. joining us is now is senior editor for "fortune" steven gandell and co-anchor of "street sign" is sam stein and joy reed is also with us as well. we are talking about company that could do better for its employees and still profit, right? or would they just collapse into shambles if they gave everybody a raise? >> no. certainly they could still profit and they could pay more and not disappoint wall street. the big problem, right? investors give companies a certain amount of money and expect a certain return, right? companies have revenue and they have expenses and after expenses they have three constituents to

pay back. pay shareholders and bondholders back and workers back and have to provide this up. we can tell bondholders and set up fronts. the rest the companies can give to mayor workers and walmart doesn't do it this way. they play hardball and take the extra money and give it to shareholders and it's a misallocation of capital. >> you put together a solution in timothy egan's piece. what could they do to serve their workers better and have a positive impact along the line in terms of our society and how our actual economy works? >> they could pay their workers more. >> yes, i know that and agree with you but what could be the positive impact beyond that? they are not inspired to pay their workers more. they think they pay their

workers enough and in fact, they find this to be very insulting but you're saying there might be a better reason for them to pay their workers more, rather than just being nice? >> well, i'm saying if you look at their financing and look at their capital allocation and the returns they are getting from their capital they are getting almost no return from that extra money they are putting to shareholders that the extra buybacks and turn on equity. that is -- walmart stock underperformed a long time and getting almost no return for that. if they invest that money in their workers, right? they would probably get a more productive work force and could buy more at their own stores and stimulate the economy more and they and we would all do better. >> dosam is going to jump in. brian sullivan? >> listen. with regards walmart or any company, right? anything -- supply -- demand is in effect. you donel pay what you have to. >> really?

okay. >> onthe power falls with the consumer. we don't need congress to tell people what to do. the reality is if consumers force walmart to pay their employees more by choosing to shop there or not shop there, walmart will react to the consumer. >> sam stein, jump in. >> no, no, it's entirely world campus. >> no, it's not. that is the way american greed works. >> the opposite what have i'm saying. >> oh, please. >> choose to shop at stores that pay their workers more. >> pay your workers more because it's the right thing to do and it might be a benefit across the board. >> they have a lot of -- they can pay their workers -- they can dictate what they pay their workers and if you look at the situation it's not working out. >> sam stein, jump in. it's not working. >> i just don't think the free market solution to walmart raising its wages makes that much sense because people shop -- because of convenience. walmart opened up in washington, d.c. and a big concern, for

instance, that it's going to drive out all of the mom and pop shops because it's more convenient and centrally located and easier for customers to get to. i sort of see the point in how it's beneficial financially for walmart to pay its workers more. if you gave your workers a higher page they would turn around and pay a lot of that money on walmart on goods there? a sound economic reasons and one of the reasons walmart could raise its wages? >> great example is costco. they pay its workers -- >> they are a great example. >> exactly, exactly. >> don't you love costco in terms of how they handle this? >> and in terms of health benefits too. after i wrote this article while ago we had a discussion how do you know walmart -- because how do you know walmart could do this? it's built into the stock price. shareholders not giving them any credit for the extra money they are giving to shareholders because everyone assumes that costs are going up. do i know costs going up? i don't know. i don't think it would be a

surprise to the market to find out that walmart is underpaying its employees. >> a quick question. walmart would say we are giving people jobs they wouldn't have any other way and if you were to force us to raise wages we would have to raise the prices of our goods that we sell any way. is there no validity to that? >> there is not much. that is what they would say, right? >> yes. >> again, they are getting the capital allocation wrong, right? they believe they are right, right? they say we have to give this amount of money to shareholders but they are wrong. they don't have to give that much. they could pay their workers more and still have a profit that wall street would be happy with and is expecting. >> joy? >> the question i had us because, tour point, people could make the decision to shop elsewhere or make a decision to work elsewhere. i know the experience in florida, when a super walmart opens it drives out the other retail. sam sort of made the same point. whereas there were two or three other grocery stories in the community, now there is walmart. and maybe one other.

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we had a beautiful weekend, didn't we? this was about as best as it ever got. perfect for a high school graduation that took place outside. joining us now bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill, what i'm thinking is we could have this weather for exactly the whole summer and that would be good. >> how great would that be? low humidity. cool nights and warm days. yeah, graduation, i'm glad that went well, mika. fantastic start to our early summer in many areas. i have to keep you posted, mika. ever start a project at your house and regreti starting it because finishing it is not that easy? i have a tree stump that i said and made promises so that i would get rid of with an ax and a shovel. >> no, no, no.

>> yeah. >> you just need to rent a tractor and dig it up. >> no, i refuse. we are on week three and let you know how it goes by the fall. good morning, everyone. let's take you took into the dallas/ft. worth area. severe thunderstorm complex is coming down from the north and we are under severe thunderstorm warnings in the dallas/ft. worth area. stay inside in ft. worth and dallas 15, 20 minutes until the line of storms comes your way. airplane not letting planes take off or fly in this and delays coming up to two hours out of dfw. i don't think we will have crazy flooding like in omaha and minneapolis or sioux city or sioux falls. tropics remain quite and it is summer. the temperatures are going up. d.c. should be about mid-80s today. lower humidity but then the humidity from the south rushes in and will be about 90 on

wednesday. wthat sticky, humid air. it will feel like summer in the east sooner than later. the rest of the country the west coast you're actually waking up this early morning to a just fine forecast. mika, as far as like the bad hair days go, on wednesday in the east and the northeast. that is when the humidity returns. >> let me write that down. headed to washington today and that looks good. thank you very much, bill. up next, the man looking to take down the so-called lion of lennox avenue after 22 terms. could charlie rangel lose his seat in congress? stay with us. ♪

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minutes and just one minute. no, i'm in the middle of a debate. yes. no, this is for the united states congress. no, already spoken. no, he said he came here some 50 years ago and learned spanish and he studied a lot about poverty. no, no. he didn't say he passed any bills. no, no, no, no. he has been there 18 years but he didn't say he passed any bills at all. well, the guy was only there half of the time. how do you expect -- well, he'll get back to that. >> okay. okay. that was -- i thought he was doing a rudy giuliani imitation a second. remember that?

i've actually done it in the community. >> congressman, are you googling during this debate? >> no. i just wanted to show what he was picking out was consistent. >> it's not fair because they don't have their devices here with them. >> i was going to show it to you're right. >> reporter: he needs all of the help he can get. congressman charlie rangel is trying to keep his seat out of the hands of this man. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> reporter: once a supporter who nicknamed rangling the lion of lennox avenue and he says rangel in go and ethic scandal cost wrangle on his position on the powerful ways and means committee. has charlie been in congress too long? >> too long. he is not effective and not able to pass any legislation he can't deliver for the district. >> reporter: do you think you're in this position because of the ethic scandal you went through? is that why you're still fighting for your seat? >> hell no.

>> reporter: is the third longest serving congressman and founding member of the black caucus. his ties to the community run deep. >> god bless you and thank you for getting a heartbeat back. >> the love we have for rangel in this district is incredible. >> reporter: thanks to redistricting new york's 13th now includes washington heights and parts of the bronx. it's more diverse and majority hispanics. wrangle charged in the first debate. >> what the heck has he done saying he is a dominican? he wants to be the jackie robinson of the dominicans in the congress which is ambitious but the fact is that jackie robinson was a star before he reached the major leagues and he is not a jackie robinson. >> reporter: rangel's comments earned him rebuke from reverend al sharpton. he sent out a flyer labeling a hispanics official as a trader for backing rangel. >> i think this district feels

splintered and doesn't feel like a big tent where everybody is inside. >> reporter: do you think this campaign is about race? >> no. when i fell into that trap, even reverend sharpton said we shouldn't be the able to talk about race. no legislation i passed that i have to think, lack, latino, black, jewish. i think what is best for my country and my district. >> reporter: espiat had attacked rangel for having ties to wall street. >> i don't think my opponent knows where the hell wall street is to be honest with you. >> reporter: he said it's time for change but the 84-year-old new york native says he's not ready to retire. you think you're speeding up, not slowing down? >> i tell you one thing. whatever i'm doing, there is nobody doing it better.

>> what a fascinating race. it is always fascinating when charlie rangel is involved. talk about that fascinating race and charlie rangel is reporter darren sands who wrote about this race in sunday's "the new york times" magazine. it always is interesting with charlie. i worked with him. he's a fascinating guy. could be very likeable. >> sure. >> hands-on guy but right now he is fighting for his political life, isn't he? >> he really is. i think part of his antics and a lot of the things he's had to say over the past few months has been really dedicated to this idea he is going to let it all hang out. >> yeah. >> he is not really apologetic about anything he says entirely. >> break it down for us. we heard kasie talking about the ethics scandal that loomed large in 2012. changing demographics really seemed to have a lot more to do with this than even an ethics scandal. is that what you found? what did you find? >> i do.

i think so. i think in a lot of ways that seat is very historic and his, you know, wanting to run is very still symbolic for the neighborhood itself. >> right. >> i think even though that the demographics have changed. >> right. >> maybe his political time is up. i think in a lot of ways, he has been able to really get a lot of support based on the fact that he's someone who is hugely symbolic figure. >> siena poll shows that charlie is up 47% but we don't know if that matters. >> if i think about any industry, whether it's running a baseball team or an advertising agency, a tv network, i'm going to try to say this right. should you be in office? that is an ageless comment. nowhere else in society is that age still -- i think there is a

certain age where -- >> when incumbents get picked off, you look at thad cochran in mississippi and thad is facing a real challenge and might be, in part, because of his age and at some people say we want a new start. charlie has held on a very long time. >> two big primaries tomorrow and die younger challengers saying it's time for a change. congressman rangel and senator cochran been there a long time. i think it's lessin' their age than a notion if you're there that long, younger people tht district who don't know you because it's a lot of new voters say we want somebody new. >> it's also the question of being disconnected. how much these scandals, mika e hurt that everybody is on the front pages of the tabloids day in and day out. >> it's amazing how well he does in these polls and given the scandal. >> donny's friend andrew cuomo endorsed him yesterday. >> darren, if he had the same district he had demographically five or six years ago, we wouldn't be having this

discussion. >> i think it would be a different story. i think when you take into account all of these changes and everything that has happened with the congressman, it really does give credence to a lot of what he has done to able to hold on so long. >> rangel has gone to battle tea party members of the house and here is how he explained to kasie some of the gridlock in congress. >> the only thing republicans and the congress has done is say no to -- >> reporter: do you think rps s republicans saying no to the president is based on race? >> you know, that is a subjective question, but let me say this. most of the states they represent, were they in the coned for r-- confederate state that fought the union? when they come to washington do you see more confet rat flags than american flags? who would hurt their own people

in terms of cutting off health, job opportunity, food stamps to get after this president? it takes a lot of hatred hurt yourself just to embarrass the president. so i'm trying to think with the tea party and basically what they have said and their spokes people have said, this would not be the same if the president was not of color. >> wow. >> okay. >> pretty strong statement. h h halperin, do you want to weigh in? >> i disagree with him. >> to say that there is not a big faction of this country that has an issue with our president being african-american is naive. >> that's staggering to me that you have wrapped my political party in confederate flag. >> i'm not saying your party.

>> new york cio, it is my party wrapping in the confederate flag. >> parts of this country reject this president because of the color of his skin. >> parts of new york. >> yes. >> parts of boston. >> yes. >> parts of america. >> yes, yes, yes. >> he also, if i'm not mistaken, how far do you have to go back to find a president that got 53% of the vote. let's see, clinton didn't do it two times. >> that's where it's hard to -- >> bush didn't do it two times. >> he won a majority -- >> this is a ludicrous statement. >> there is a part of this country that rejects him because he's black. >> this is a copout. 53% in a majority white country elected barack obama. he easily got more votes than bill clinton in '92. he easily got more votes than bill clinton in '96. he easily got more votes than george w. bush in 2000. he easily got more votes than george w. bush in 2004. let's see, going back to, let's

see, '92, '88, i don't know if he outperformed george h.w. bush. mika, you would have to go back 25 years in this racist nation that donny lives in to find a president that had a higher percentage than barack obama. and did george h.w. bush get 53% twice? >> he didn't get it twice. >> you have to go back to ronald reagan to find any president, black, white, yellow -- >> confederate. >> confederate, hispanic, purple, orange. >> so that proves that there's no part of this country that would reject him simply the skin of his color. that's what i'm saying. >> there's a part of my neighborhood that wouldn't let you drive through it because you dress that way, okay? >> no, because of the tribe i am a member of. >> darren sands, i am so sad you had to watch this display. great story, great piece. >> thank you. >> this is a fascinating political story, and it is every

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coming up next, the united states just seconds away from a stunning come-from-behind victory over portugal, but i tell you what, what's more exciting is what happened in the 94 minutes before that. u.s. soccer has arrived. it's an extraordinary game and got a lot more. also, what does a national team have to do to make it out of the world cup's first round. plus hillary clinton facing more questions about money. she's talking about being poor again. >> not really. >> well -- >> she's talking about working. >> she said she's not really rich. and does a diplomatic solution to the crisis in iraq truly exist? >> that's extraordinary. that was a great interview. and also bobby ghosh telling us now the terrorists in syria and

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goal. >> how would you characterize this game. >> in the history of world cup play. >> ouch. >> how this happened is staggering. i will say you have the fourth greatest team according to the rankings, you have the greatest player in the world, ronaldo, who is better than messi, but what you saw for 90 minutes, ju such a heart break. what you saw is a coming of age of american soccer. >> with us we have mark halperin, chairman of deutsche incorporated, donny deutsch. donny, did you watch? >> i did. >> bobby ghosh, and in washington, al hunt. >> let's just add did everybody watch? you watched, you watched. al, you watched? >> i watched. >> i can tell you it was very -- it was very quiet around my town. like other than the super bowl,

there aren't a lot of events where i've seen as many people that i know stop and watch the same thing. >> this is the year. you said american soccer came of inch as far as the team. i think the sport itself in this country, something happened this year where it finally popped. this world cup has infiltrated our culture like it hasn't before. >> if you follow football, if you follow european football, if you follow soccer, you saw halfway through the game, and i kept calling joey, my son, who is a total soccer snob. he would rather say that barry manilow is the future of alternative music than say american soccer. >> wow, okay, got it. >> and i called him halfway through and i said, joey, joey, you've got to stop being a hater. and he said we are playing european style football. it was stunning what unfolded yesterday. and forget the last ten, 15 seconds, it was stunning what happened. >> but what you had also is

finally a lot of people from different demographics actually watching people who maybe wouldn't often watch football this way or join in and get into it and it was really one of the greatest games ever, matches, ever. >> did you see the fans in chicago, they cutaway to dallas. i looked at those crowds and a lot of people say, oh, it's going to get big in this country and it never does. it's getting big in this country. >> oh, yeah, we live in the upper east side, nine years up. both u.s. goals you could hear cheering from the street, the bars and restaurants nearby. every restaurant whether you're a sports bar or not has tvs up just for the world cup. no, this is serious. >> and it cuts across -- most excitingly, it cuts across all demographic lines, all demographic lines. >> only 40 years later than it might have happened. 40 years in the making. >> it's happened. >> if the u.s. gets through and gets -- and somehow finds a

combination to get to the next round, i think it will really be a break-through moment. i worry if they don't, it could be snuffed out. >> 76% odds of them going forward. >> yeah, a lot of -- yeah, you would much, much rather be in our position than anybody else's. looks like we'll get through but you never know. >> i had some other things going on. >> talk about graduation. that was amazing. >> i have a picture. i know, i'm a little indulgent but my daughter graduated from high school. and so i took a moment to celebrate and that is her. so it was absolutely a wonderful, gorgeous, gorgeous day. and she is very, very happy to be free. >> she looks like she's very, very happy to be free. >> she was so, so psyched. it was a beautiful night. i'll try not to indulge myself. >> that's great. and she's going off to -- >> she's going off to college to johns hopkins. >> how exciting.

>> just before that i sat down with president obama ahead of today's white house summit on working families. >> just matter of fact. >> everything comes in clusters in life. of course we started with the crisis in iraq. take a look. >> you said that the war was ending in iraq. >> yeah. >> you said al qaeda was decimat decimated. you said it was stable. >> it was. but just because something is stable two years ago or four years ago doesn't mean that it's stable right now. >> right. >> i had more questions for him about that. we'll play the full interview just ahead. but first, back to the world cup, are we going back to the world cup really? really? tower, really? >> you can tell she's a big fan. >> well, i just think that's a little -- >> you've got to show all the goals. >> it's big. >> really? it's big. >> it was a remarkable game last night. the united states fell behind 1-0 early and it was an ugly way to start. the first ten minutes portugal absolutely dominated. but the united states after

giving up this early goal came storming back. first with a beautiful world class strike from jermaine jones. this shot was incredible. there's an angle. and then clint dempsey with the go ahead goal with less than ten minutes left in regulation. the course of america won. portugal would be eliminated but portugal had something else in mine. the game literally was won with seconds left on the clock. a perfect cross from ronaldo. we'll tell you what it means to the u.s. chances to advance in just a minute. with us now why don't we bring in the director of city soccer and the author of "star-spangled soccer," gary hopkins. gary, it was so remarkable yesterday on so many fronts what bobby was talking about that much of america just stopped. this is what -- you know, when you used to go to europe, people

would say you should be here during the world cup because during the world cup in europe, everything just stops and everybody goes to pubs. that sort of started to happen yesterday. but the more remarkable thing, and i know that you'll agree with me, american soccer has been very ugly in the past. yesterday about halfway through it hit me, oh, my god, jurgen klinsmann has transformed american soccer. we can play with the best teams. >> i was in new york yesterday and the whole of new york was jumping up and down. this was an absolutely phenomenal performance. a breakout day for american soccer. i mean the whole country watched. the usa, this first goal was a disaster for the usa. to come out and get the goal in the first seconds, there was nothing great about this goal. this looked like it would be a horrible day for the usa. but this goal, if this was

messi, they would be screaming up and down. there is nothing more than they deserve. it was a phenomenal shot and they played well. >> what really shocked me, gary, was the subtly. first, watch this thing bend. >> how did he do this? >> you're right, if messi did this, it would be on youtube and watched a million times. what shocked me, though was how they moved the ball around with ease, how they passed it with subtly, how they found open space, time and time again. >> this team is brilliantly coached. jurgen klinsmann has won the world cup. germany won the world cup three times. this team is beautifully coached. they are brave. they are honest, they're hard working. they played, as you said, a european style. they didn't panic when they went down 1-0. they carried on playing and carries on passing the ball around, which good teams do.

i said yesterday this is a steely, honest -- nice save there by tim howard, by the way. games in world cups are decided in those moments, those little moments of brilliance or failure. you really should have scored there but let's not take away from the performance of the team. klinsmann has always been about team over individual. this is a group of kids and a group of players performing phenomenal. and the world is taking a look at this and saying, you know what, we are coming of age. it was a great, great day for u.s. soccer. and you know what, and i do believe we'll go through. what people aren't talking about is if germany had beaten ghana on the weekend, they'd be through now. >> it would be over. >> it would be over. so all is not lost. this, by the way, great performance with thursday coming, what we need to happen, we need portugal, believe it or not, joe, we need portugal to beat ghana by just one goal.

goal difference comes into play here. >> so this happens at 11:30 on thursday. if portugal or ghana draw, if portugal wins, the united states is through. if the united states and germany draw, the united states is through. the worst thing that can happen would be a big win by germany and a big win by ghana. it's 11:30 thursday. i've got a feeling a lot of people are not going to be working too hard 11:30 on thursday. thank you, gary. you know, after the goal people said we need to go to this place and watch and i said yes, we do. and thien thought the "morning joe" staff need to go to our undisclosed location. >> i'm not allowed in there. let's go to a place i'm allowed. >> mika destroyed, actually, she absolutely destroyed this pub she went to. >> i flipped a table. >> we'll get added insurance. so call that place and we'll all go down there at 11:30 because i am totally superstitious when it

comes to sports. >> maybe i should flip a table again. >> i'm curious to see the espn numbers. 6:00 sunday -- >> you know the biggest shock was that and didn't carry it. >> that is surprising. >> because i guarantee you, it got more eyeballs than anything abc ran at the time. >> that's for sure. >> a lot to get to. >> bobby, real quick. >> if you want any proof the game has finally arrived in this country, we're the proof. >> and joe is not the only one -- >> i will guarantee you most of the people watching this show, most, were watching. >> it was amazing. i got people calling me saying joe better be on tomorrow because we don't want to hear you talking about soccer. so thank god you're here. >> well, roger bennett is going to call in. >> oh, god. >> from rio very sgloon he's calling collect. >> collect, of course. >> he's going to be calling collect, but he'll be live. >> he's not calling, he's on

camera. >> oh, is he? that's fantastic. to iraq now, secretary of state john kerry arrived in baghdad this morning as the u.s. tries to bolster iraq security forces in the face of a raging insurgency. militants from the group isis now control two keyboarder posts in the west, easing the flow of fighters and weapons. those checkpoints are among several targets toppled by sunni gunmen over the weekend. american made humvees seized in iraq are being used in their syrian campaign as well. crossing a boundary, the group intends to erase off the map. the obama administration says it has no intention of picking iraq's leaders, but u.s. officials are clearly losing patience with the embattled prime minister nouri al maliki. here is more of my conversation with the president about iraq and the wider concept of the middle east. >> you said that the war was ended in iraq. >> yeah. >> you said al qaeda was

decimated. you said it was stable. >> it was. and -- but just because something is stable two years ago or four years ago doesn't mean that it's stable right now. and what we have is a situation in which in part because of growing mistrust between sunni and shia, some of the forces that have always possibly pulled iraq apart are stronger now. those forces that could keep the country united are weaker. it is ultimately going to be up to the iraqi leadership to try to pull the politics of the country back together again. >> would you have moved differently in syria given this eruption in iraq and given that the chaos has spilled over now? >> you know, if what you're suggesting is that there was a simple solution in syria that would have avoided the civil war

and chaos there, that's just not true. you know, you had a ruthless dictator that started killing his own people and you had the makings of a moderate opposition that still exist and that we still work with, but not an opposition that was going to be in a position any time soon to be able to compete with an army, hezbollah, iran and russia supporting the regime. they just weren't going to be able to do that and they certainly weren't going to be able to immediately compete with a bunch of hardened jihadists who had moved into the vacuum in some of these areas. so i think that one of the things that the american people at least understand is that these societies are going through these enormous transformations. there was a long period after

world war ii in which authoritarian regimes were able to maintain national boundaries, despite the fact that internally there were all kinds of sectarian decisions. as those regimes have begun to collapse or break apart, in part because of corruption, in part because of, you know, changes in society generally and economic pressures, you know, there is going to be this long, difficult transition moving to a different kind of society in the middle east. and what we can do is work with the best impulses there, folks who understand moderation, tolerance, are trying to deliver for their people. we're going to have to deal with some of the worst impulses there, the extremism that isis represents. what we're not going to be able to do is play whack-a-mole and

chase wherever extremists appear, occupy those countries for long periods of time and think somehow that we're going to solve those problems. that's something that even as the world's lone superpower exceeds our capabilities. >> what about moving forward, did you ask him about like afghanistan? >> yeah. >> did he learn from the mistakes of iraq that we should not just pull our troops out of afghanistan? >> he doesn't see it that way. he says there's absolutely no change in policy. like you heard, not going to play whack-a-mole. al hunt, i'm listening to the president there, and it doesn't sound like we're doing anything other than adopting a whack-a-mole strategy. because we didn't do anything in syria and now here we are facing

around isis. >> yeah, it certainly doesn't engender a great deal of confidence. it's an ad hoc policy. i have a little sympathy for him because i don't think there are any good options. i think to have a more massive campaign, a la lindsey graham we then become maliki's air force and that's not such a good idea. >> do you believe that there's no change in policy in afghanistan? the president told mika later in the interview that what happened in iraq won't impact him getting all troops out of afghanistan by 2016. i find that a remarkable statement and i don't believe he's going to stick by that. what do you think? >> i agree, i think it's more likely they'll try to keep some small residual force there. it depends on what the political situation is in afghanistan. hopefully it's better than it was with maliki and al sadr a

couple years ago in iraq. i think we also shouldn't suggest that's a panacea. there are 5,000 to 7,000 forces and i expect there would still be some disintegration we're seeing today. >> mika, we were commenting watching your interview, i've never seen a less engaged look in his eyes. he almost seemed, i don't want to say checked out because that's not the right thing, but watching him, his cadence was different. he feels like he almost wants to go home at this point. >> look, i guess that's one way you could see it. right, okay, that's fine, and he does seem tired. bobby, i also think he is getting so much criticism for every move he makes on the middle east, while if someone else or if the critics were making those decisions, they perhaps might be making the same ones. >> and one of the criticisms -- >> unless you're john mccain and lindsey graham and dick cheney. >> perhaps the most unfair one

was the notion that he didn't leave a force in iraq. he wanted to. the iraqis wouldn't have it. if he'd had his druthers, there would be up to 30,000 troops at one point that was the number being discussed, 30,000 troops left back in iraq. the iraqis, maliki, said no, we've got this. we can look after ourselves. >> i asked him about maliki. >> so, you know, that part of the criticism is unfair. the u.s. doesn't have a force presence there because the iraqis wouldn't allow it. still ahead, christina hendricks joins us. what the "mad men" star will be telling us. >> this segment shares me. >> i'm going to the white house today. you want to come? >> i'd love to. but donny deutsch is a little too excited about christina hendricks being here. >> all right. so she's -- all right. emphasis on not progress. "glamour" magazine cindi

leive is here as well. >> she's great too. >> i love her, she's really cool. >> you've known her for a long time. >> yes, i have. in fact we grew up in the same town. >> she grew up in the south of france too? you went during the summer. >> yes, growing up like normal people. no south of france. >> oh, only during christmas vacation. speaking of the south of france, we'll explain what hillary clinton might have in common with mitt romney and how it may derail her 2016 chances. that might be overstating it. but first, here's bill karins who overstates everything. i mean -- >> he does. >> it's a problem. it's like a nervous tic he has, check on the forecast. >> if you overstate one day and don't the next, it all evens out. good morning, everyone. it's not an over or understatement in dallas-ft. worth, it's a good time to stay indoors. give it another 15, 20 minutes and you can see that line in the background there. this storm system just moved through and at dfw, the airport

is under a ground stop. they're not letting any planes land or take off. still a little too dangerous. give it another 15, 20 minutes and it should be okay. it looks like the worst of it is now heading to the south and the east of the dallas area. ft. worth, you are now in the clear. here's a look at the radar. the severe thunderstorm warning continues south of the city area, just light rain there. a wider view shows you we have drought situation too in areas of oklahoma and texas. this was much needed and welcomed rain in regions of the country. the next 48 hours, this is where most of the active weather will be. more thunderstorms in the southeast and tonight another thunderstorm complex moving through oklahoma city, wichita falls and dallas, which is great. so here's your monday forecast. travelwise, still looking great. one more beautiful low humidity day from d.c. all the way up through boston, including new york, philly and also baltimore. everyone on the west coast is looking pretty good today, but big changes for you up in the northwest.

upper 70s today, 60s the rest of the week. so enjoy today while you can. leave you with a shot of new york city. we are in probably one of the best stretches of weather we'll see all year long. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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all right. time now to take a look at the morning papers. we'll start with the "jerusalem post." israel is cracking down on hamas, which says is behind the abductions of three israeli teenagers in the west bank. five palestinians have been killed so far, including two overnight.

hamas denies any involvement. israeli troops are going door to door as well as searching tunnels and wells. more than 300 palestinians have been detained. the boys disappeared while hitchhiking from their high school. the mother of one of the boys, who's an american citizen, says her family is praying for his safe return. >> it's hard to -- it's hard to breathe, but we're doing good. we try not to think of the details of what naftali might be going through but to hope and be very, very optimistic that we'll see him soon. >> oh, boy, what a situation. "the l.a. times" says while visiting the heart of mob territory in italy over the weekend, the pope declared the mafia excommunicated from the church. pope francis condemned the mafia for, quote, its adoration of evil and contempt for common good. the pope's message isn't a formal decree of church law but rather a direct message to those who take part in organized crime. the pope's words are still

significant since many mobsters in italy see themselves as devout members of the catholic church. this from the "miami herald" florida has expanded your stand your ground law to include warning shots. it was inspired in part by 33-year-old marissa alexander who was sentenced to 20 years in prison after firing a shot near her husband, who she claimed was abusive. she tried to use the stand your ground defense at trial but a judge rejected the claim. prosecutors say the updated law won't help the florida woman because it won't be applied retroactively. that just somehow doesn't seem to be right. >> that doesn't seem right. from "the guardian," former secretary of state hillary clinton is setting off a new round of criticism about her wealth. just weeks after saying she was dead broke after leaving the white house. the possible 2016 candidate was discussing why she believes americans view her and her husband differently than other millionaires. she said they don't see me as

part of the problem because we pay ordinary income tax, unlike a lot of people who are truly well off. not to name names, and we've done it through dint of hard work. but "the washington post" says some democrats are panicking at the idea of hillary clinton being the democratic nominee in 2016. multiple obama campaign advisers say they're concerned about a repeat of 2012 when republican mitt romney was seen as someone who could not relate to the middle class and the former chairman of south carolina's democratic party says, quote, this. i don't know whether it's just that she's been madam secretary for so long, but she is generating an imperial image. she's been living 30, going on 40 years with somebody bringing your coffee to you every morning. is it more "downton abbey" than it is america. >> well, mark halperin, you could say the same of fdr. >> do you guys have my coffee? >> you could say of the same of mika. you could say the same of jfk. >> i'm looking for my coffee.

>> you could say the same of mika. you could also say the same of ronald reagan who came from eureka but by the time he was president of the united states he had been governor or movie star for 30 years. i don't know, i think this sounds sort of like drummed up, made up controversy. >> i don't get it. >> it is one of her big vulnerabilities in terms of her image. people want a president who they can relate to at least a little bit, and these remarks that she keeps making about their wealth and trying to downplay how wealthy they are i think is a bit of a mistake. there are plenty of things relatable about her. she needs to talk about them and not about how she's not rich. >> al hunt, shouldn't somebody just tell hillary clinton to stop suggesting that she and her husband aren't fabulously wealthy? she's done it twice and it just doesn't pay. i don't think people resent her and her husband for making kinds of money. but she talks about people who were truly rich. the clintons are truly rich. >> yeah, she's absolutely tone deaf on this. we've seen it repeatedly now.

i think you're right, joe, americans don't care is someone is wealthy, fdr, jfk, the bushes. that's fine. the problem she has here is she's sort of in semi-guilt here. we're not really that rich. yes, they are really that rich. we earned it the hard way. well, yeah, other people did too. we don't take advantage of things other people do. bloomberg had a story last week that they have. they have set up a perfect estate tax deal, perfectly legal. but you can't say i'm one of you and i'm really not a money person when you in fact are a money person. if you just acknowledge it and move on to other issues, i think she'd be okay. >> up next -- >> a mother deserves a day off to care for a sick child or a sick parent without running into hardship. and you know what, a father does too. it is time to do away with workplace policy that say belong in a "mad men" episode. >> christina hendricks is here.

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all right. today in washington, the white house is convening a summit on working families, looking for ideas on how to tackle the big issues that working families face. i'm going to be moderating one of the discussions today. it's sort of a knowing your values segment. >> yeah? >> negotiating and trying to get ahead in the professional environment while raising a family. christina hendricks from "mad men" will be joining us to discuss her role at the conference. but first -- >> stop. downy deutsche, really? >> i think she is so beautiful. >> it's just wrong. i mean seriously? >> mika on friday, of course, you've heard the questions about iraq, you've heard the questions about afghanistan. she also had a very important discussion with the president on why he thinks a summit like today's at the white house is so important to working women. >> thank you. >> equal pay kicked off your presidency. two of the champions here in the room with us. it's become really a theme, one

of the themes of your time here. do you think that there will be a day in our lifetime where women are paid equally across the board? and do we need the government to make that happen? >> i think the government can help. i think there's a whole series of actions that we can take that empower people to make sure they're being treated fairly, but also to give information to employers about what's good for their business. keep in mind that issues like equal pay for equal work, issues like child care, issues like workplace flexibility and paid family leave, those aren't just women's issues. those are family issues. women now account for 40% of the primary bread winners among american families. you know, you've got men who recognize that they'd like to spend time with their kids too. there are very few families who have not gone through this. i know michelle and i have. and when i think back to when

malia and sasha were young, the biggest source of stress for us, and we were a lot luckier than most, was these issues surrounding work and family. i'm away down at the state capitol, michelle is back home, she's got her own job. teacher calls, sasha is sick. how do you deal with that. and that is the kind of thing that everybody, i think, can relate to. >> lifting up women is good for business. i think companies are finding. it's funny you talk about dads who want to spend time with their kids. when they leave work, i wish you could do something about this, and it's to be with their kids, everyone says oh, look at that great dad, he's amazing. meanwhile, we're sneaking out, hoping that no one notice that say we're doing what we're supposed to do. >> i think you're right. i think there's a little bit of a double standard there. >> totally. >> where we now encourage men to be engaged in their children's

lives, as if they're doing something special. whereas women, when they do it, oftentimes people say, you see, she's not fully committed to the job. >> i had lunch with a ceo of one of the biggest companies in america the other day. he said the women just leave. they don't even ask. you know, they don't know how to ask or they feel bad about asking, when what they should really be doing is saying here's the deal. i have so much value, here's what i need to make this work. he's like if they'd just ask. >> part of that is creating a culture where people feel comfortable asking. you mentioned something like equal pay. >> right. >> there's some folks who challenge the statistic that women get paid 77 cents on the dollar. they say, well, that's a choice women are making. first of all, real discrimination does take place. second of all, oftentimes women are forced into choices that they shouldn't have to make. the question is are we putting the burden entirely on women to

make those choices. this is an issue not just for women. this is a family issue, a middle class issue, an american issue. >> we'll talk a lot more in washington today about all these issues. we've got some fantastic peopling. >> when does it start at the white house? >> this morning at 9:00 a.m. here with us now, these are two ladies going. emmy nominated actress christina hendricks and cindi leive. both will be participating in today's white house summit on working families. great to have you both on the show. so, christina, we hear the president referencing "mad men," your show, all the time when he's talking about what needs to change for working families, which often revolve around women. why do you think he refers to your show so much and what do you hope to accomplish today at the summit? >> well, i think we've been very, very proud on "mad men" to bring these issues into people's homes, and i think the president

notices that these issues seem sort of outrageous. it comes across as a historical event, but these things are happening every day still. and we just want to be part of the conversation and we're happy that it's caused a lot of water cooler conversation and a lot of outrage. >> cindi, you look at what -- you go back and look at "mad men," we're all huge fans around this set here, but you look at that and it really is a time capsule to see. i remember talking to nora ephron and nora talking about when he went to work at "newsweek" she never thought about the possibility in the '60s that she could write for them. things have changed so much. >> things have changed but they also haven't. the huge thing that's different since the time of "mad men" is that women are 40% of primary bread winners, and so that means if women's wages have not caught up to men, and they haven't, the entire economy all working families are paying the price. so, you know, now that we have

the preponderance of college graduates being female, the rate has gone wildly up since the "mad men" days, it's time to really ask how can we bring women's wages in line. >> christina, donny deutsch, big fan. i've run an ad agency for years actually dominated by women. and mika's book, that part of the issue for women is their own lack of sense of entitlement. they go in asking for raises appa appaologetically versus men pounding the fist. do you see that in hollywood? >> i think so. like the president just said, you have to change the environment and the kind of language that we're using in a place where you feel you can ask for those things. i think a lot of people think, oh, gosh, i don't want to come across as pushy. if they say no then i'll be treated differently afterward. there just isn't an environment, and people really don't know what they're able to ask for. >> that's why you get agents.

but, mika and i have talked about it too. sometimes agents, certainly not ours -- >> oh, not ours. >> but sometimes agents actually would treat mika differently than me. >> oh, yeah. >> like oh, boy, i don't want to upset joe. mika is sitting there, well, gee -- isn't that amazing? >> we've got some great stories which we're going to share today. look at these stats on working families. so the number of bread-winning moms are on the rise. more and more women are actually making the money for the family. women make up nearly half of the labor force. most kids live in households where all parents work. the way i look at for my daughters, they will work. that's the new reality for the next generation. women will work if they're lucky in this economy, because they have to help bring home the bacon. and, cindi, you're going to be looking at a session, moderating a session on compensation. >> yeah. >> what do you think the biggest barriers are to women getting

the correct compensation, equal pay, or what their value is, which may be more than others that they work with? >> well, i think number one, sometimes there is this outdated idea that you don't need to pay a woman as much as a man, even though that is obviously illegal. number two, and you just touched on it, is negotiation. when we survey our readers, only 18% of them had negotiated their current salary. that's about a quarter of the percent of men that did. as a woman, you are leaving over half a million dollars over the course of your lifetime on the table if you don't negotiate. donny, you were talking about the male model of pounding your fist on the table. i don't know that that is a great thing necessarily for women to do, but going in with a confident, assured game plan and explaining this is why it's great for the company to continue to have me in this role, that's a smart thing women should be doing. >> because studies have shown too that when they ask, they receive it, right? >> absolutely. >> cindi, thank you so much. mika --

>> i'll see you guys there. >> we're all such huge fans, christina, and the only thing we want to ask you is what happens in the final season? >> yes. can you fill us in, christina? >> i'd love to, are you ready? not quite yet. >> i read, though, again i've been watching "mad men" from the very beginning. your character, joan, is the most remarkable character because there's all of this crazy change all around it. but somebody pointed out to me about three or four seasons in, said you know joan is like the anchor of that whole show because everybody is changing and there's madness all around, and joan remains joan. she is a fascinating character, isn't she? >> she's sort of learning and ever changing and yet she seems to be a constant and she knows how to hold down the fort for everyone around her. it's very, very fun to play. >> well, i will see you both at the conference. thanks so much for the preview. see you there. up next, will the turmoil in iraq threaten the price of oil

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across the country in the car, how much -- gas prices, are they going to feel it at the pump now? >> they are going to feel it but not because of iraq yet. but i want to put a word in your mind, gowar. it's not the steel metal band from virginia, but it's the largest oil field in the world by far. 5 million barrels a day. that's just a gorgeous map. shows the topographical reference points in saudi arabia. >> by the way, t.j. worked on this graphic. >> what is that? >> it took him all day. >> put that back up. t.j., you see that dot right there? that dot took him about four and a half hours. and by the way, it is actually in kansas. he got that wrong too. >> so you see iraq up there, right? go back to the map. the point is isis is about 100

miles from the border. we don't know where they're going. if there's any indication they're stirring up trouble in saudi arabia and you hear that name, gowar, that's what you've got to watch for. if that comes into play, then we've got a problem. >> katie bar the door. >> by the way, they won't get there. >> i want to see the owl again. cnbc's brian sullivan. >> by the time it starts moving that way, the drones will be flying. >> we'll be right back.

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>> whoa, look! >> class of 2014 moved on to the next phase of their lives. congratulations, amelia. we are so proud of you. >> going to johns hopkins and going to be a track star. >> thank you, coach jim mitchell. >> mika is not afraid of owls, mika is not afraid of the president, mika is a little afraid of her father. >> i am. >> if it is way too early, it's "morning joe." thank you so much for watching. stick around, here's chuck todd with the daily rundown. usa, usa, usa, go team usa, we're proud of you. the long, hot summer kicks off with mississippi's republican runoff. a democratic divide in harlem and a fierce fight in colorado between the gop and an old internal, yet familiar foe. also this morning, secretary of state john kerry arrives in baghdad to try to help iraqi leaders avoid a total political collapse. but can the country'