tv Morning Joe MSNBC June 24, 2014 3:00am-6:01am PDT
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♪ at a time when women are nearly half of our work force, among our most skilled workers, are the primary bread winners in more families than ever before, anything that makes life harder for women makes life harder for families, and makes life harder for children. when women succeed, america succeeds. so there is no such thing as a women's issue. there is no such thing as a women's issue. there's a family issue. and an american issue. good morning. it's june 24th. i can't believe how fast june is going. >> oh, my lordy. >> with us on set form communication director for
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president george w. bush nicole wallace and michael steele and former treasury official steve rattner. in philadelphia, former governor of pennsylvania, sports writer and whatever you need him to be. >> exactly. >> he can also check under the hood-of-your car and fix that too. ed rendell. mika, the president eluded something to your interview which was what? >> we did a panel on working families. i had a really dynamic panel. we talked personally about the challenges of sort of being out in the work force today. it was very engaging. the president was talking how dads get that pass. if you sneak out early to go to your kid's baseball game, or whatever, you're like, what a great dad! he's. >> he's a good dad, isn't he? >> meanwhile, us moms are
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shrinking out of the room to do the right thing. >> you mean out of the office. >> out of the office, yes. we love good dads but you guys get a lot of thanks. we had a good time with nancy pelosi and dr. judith rhoden. it was fun. new developments overnight in iraq and a big day in politics at home. voters head to the polls in mississippi this morning where tea party candidate chris mcdaniel is challenging six-term senator thad cochran. it's been a nasty race from the start and we are going to have a live report and an exclusive sound bites about this straight ahead. members of congress continue to hammer the irs over years of missing e-mails. we are going to show you what the agency's commissioner said and why many lawmakers are simply not buying it. with consumer prices creeping up in iraq and spiraling out of
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control, inflation is on the minds of policymaker. steve rattner has the charts to break it all down and what it nens to y means to you. >> something is happening for the first time on "morning joe" history. >> what is that? >> i got more than one republican to talk to! this has never happened before! they were freaking out in the control room! this is a huge mistake for the democratic hour of power! >> who did this? >> don't forget, ed rendell is out there so it's 3-3. >> it is 3-3. usually, we are not giving fair odds but i'll take it today. ed rendell, thank you for balancing things out. we have a lot to talk about. obviously, chris christie's investigation which we will get into right now. in mississippi, i probably speak for my other republican friends in saying, you know, at least for conservative, my conservative friends, i'm torn because thad cochran is a big appropriations guy. big spender.
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and that is a problem. but this other guy is so slippery. >> yeah. >> like, there are so many of these tea party guys and we saw it in kentucky. they were one thing when bush was in office which was mainstream republicans or some of them were trial lawyers and it was unbelievable. the second 2010 came, they go, oh, wait, oh, wait, i'm like a real conservative guy. this guy down in mississippi that is running against thad cochran, i would not trust him with a closing on an apartment. do you know what i'm saying? ? >> they wanted to make this about establishment versus tea party but i don't think that is what this race is. i think this is choosing the best of two options that force the voters in mississippi to compromise. i think with cochran, they have somebody there a long time but has the interest of the state in mind but i think it's challenger
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is not the exciting upstart that of his role. you describe as super slippery and slick. >> it's like not a lot of great choices. again, i'm speaking -- i know thad is represented the state of mississippi well and he's a good guy and he is going to bring them back lots of money and all that stuff. those were the guys that drove us crazy in congress because they spent money like democrats. at the same time, this other guy is -- >> that's what you love at this point. as i said to nicole you know you've reached a whole political crazy when you got the republican candidate going to democrats to help turn out the black vote for him. so this is where thad finds himself. mcdaniels is, you know, gotten through so far. >> we will see what happens. for mississippi to new jersey, though, mika the investigation
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into chris christie leads to a story. >> this is last night. what a difference ten hours makes. this is chris christie, the governor of new jersey. >> he looking good! >> look at that! slow clap. slow clap. that is amazing. but he played nine innings, by the way. charity game at yankees stadium. >> dude, the lateral movement! he is going left, right, i like it! he is looking good on the field! >> excellent. >> what is happening in office? >> waking up this morning to a story in "the new york times," chris christie is under fire again as new allegations link his administration to a second bridge scandal. according to "the new york times" an investigation examines christie's role in pressuring the port authority officials to pay for repairs to the pulaski skyway for money intended for the rail tunnel. port authority said the skyway was owned by the state of new jersey and the repairs should not be paid for by the port
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authority. however, christie allegedly continued to push for the funds and public announcing the plan before any decisions were made. the port authority eventually okayed the repairs saying the skyway was an access road to the lincoln tunnel and repairs labeled lincoln tunnel infrastructure improvements even though the bridge is not linked to the tunnel. if any wrongdoing could face felony charges for deceiving bond holds and if any security laws have been broken. >> this is the top of "the new york times." i'm trying to figure out if where that irs story -- so on they put chris christie there. hold on a second. because now -- actually on the front page, actually, there was an investigation launched yesterday about the irs, an internal investigation. i'm sure the internal revenue service -- hold on, hold on! internal revenue service
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targeting individuals, private citizens and also political groups that are against the administration would be on the front page. >> we are looking. >> i'm still looking. hang on. >> do you see it? anything? >> 17. 18. >> a story that -- >> 19. >> you know if george w. bush -- >> one of these stories is old news and one of these stories is new news. >> nothing what happened yesterday in the irs. they were new enough to be on the television networks. >> this is unbelievable. we talked -- we could talk about the "new york post" as well. it is impossible that "the washington post" and the "the new york times" are not putting on the front page of their newspapers the fact that an internal investigation has been launched by the irs on the most shady behavior and, yet, they put pulaski sky bridge,
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whatever, on a-1? whatever! this is garbage. >> look, look! examining a scandal within a scandal about e-mails at the irs, page 19, q & a. >> a scandal within a scandal? no, it's just a scandal! >> that's it. >> it's just a scandal. there have been e-mails have gone missing ten days after the chairman of the ways and means committee started asking questions. >> i'll get to it now. >> calm down. i do like this piece, women leave their careers in peak years and the growing number of women in mid-life their work gains are slipping away. >> if george w. bush or any republican had an irs member that went after democrats and then there was an internal investigation launched, you would not have space on the front page to talk about women's issues. this really is a scam. this is why conservatives don't trust national newspapers. it's why they don't trust broadcast news. it's because you can go back.
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there's a double standard and you can see it on every broadcast newscast. you can see it on the front page of every major newspaper. this is a scam and conservatives -- this is -- this is why we don't trust national news outlets because they are so biased and slandered. it's not the news they run, even though, this is a joke of a story to put on the front page here. it's the stories they don't run. the acts of omissions when the democrats are in power. what else is in the news today? >> chris christie's story. >> that's a joke. the second time in four days, irs commissioner john koskinen testified about years worth of missing e-mails. darrell issa accused koskinnen of lacking credibility. >> when you knew in april that you said you were going to give us all of it. you said to mr. cummings and
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myself you would give us all, you went and told political apies of treasury. >> i did not. >> who did you tell in april when you knew? >> i didn't tell anybody. i was advised. no one to tell. >> reporter: you didn't tell your i.g. some of the documents weren't going to be provided? >> i -- >> or on did you cause someone to find out at the white house at treasury or your i.g.? >> i did not. if you have any evidence of that, i'd be happy. >> i asked a question. >> i answer the defendant. >> you did not cause anyone to find out? >> i absolutely did not. >> you told us all e-mails would be provided when you discovered all e-mails would not be provided, you did not come back and inform us, is that correct? >> all of the e-mails we have will be provided on. i did not say i would provide you e-mails that disappeared if you have a magical way for me to do that, i'd be happy know about it. i said i would provide all of the e-mails and we are providing all of the e-mails. the fact three years ago, not all of them, but some were not
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available. i never said i would provide you e-mails we didn't have and, in fact, we are going to provide you 24,000 e-mails from the -- >> my time has expired and i've lost my patience with you! >> ed rendell, i can't believe. talk about slippery. we were talking about this mississippi challenger. that irs commissioner, if he were in -- first of all, comment on what he said. secondly if he were in your administration, what would you do? >> well, i would get rid of him. >> you'd fire him? >> you would get rid of him. the answer is, look. if it did happen, tell somebody about it. don't let it be uncovered. they have blown the whole irs scandal. the president should have announced the irs problem himself, he should have gotten ahead of the story and said we are going to do everything we can to find out what happened here. i think that would have been so much different in the eventual outcome of all of this.
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people have to understand if you do stuff like this it's going to look worse than the original offense. >> mika, his answers were so convoluted. >> they were -- i think what is worse, given the situation and given the fact it's the irs and given the fact that is a public hearing, which people are going to put on television and american viewers who pay taxes and have struggled to get it done every year, just the tone was wrong. i'm sorry. the attitude was wrong. come on! there is a massive screw-up and everyone is rathered insulted by there one way or another. whether it's the missing e-mails and everybody would say i lost my e-mails and i lost my receipts. >> then they destroy the computer after the crash. nobody does that. >> it sounds actually like really clunky government stuff happened. >> no. it sounds like a cover-up! hold on. steve rattner, this sounds like -- >> is it a cover-up, steve?
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>> steve, does this not sound like a cover-up? >> i don't know we know enough to know. >> you've lived a few years and you've been around things like this before. i'm just asking what does it look like to you? >> honestly, i think it could be anything from a cover-up to incompetence. >> exactly. >> you're dealing with the government. they had these antiquated systems they put the e-mails on tapes and not on hard drives and places like we do now. they had a policy of getting rid of them every six months or a year. who knows what went on. >> the problem is if you're audited by the irs or by a state, you have to come up with not only all of your e-mail, you have to produce every taxi cab receipt. >> for the past year. >> if there were any other government agency, maybe it could be excused. but outside of the liberal corridors of manhattan and d.c., this is scandal number one for the obama administration. the conspiracy, really? i'm happy to explain it. >> let her explain. >> i'll explain it.
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the xirsy theory is that the irs, not the dnc or even the obama white house, but the irs which collects millions of dollars in taxes from every american, democrat, republican, and otherwise, targeted tea party groups. they have acknowledged -- >> that part -- >> let me finish! the scandal is that now asked with evidence as to how that could possibly have been the case that the irs, which is supposed to serve everyone, they say, i don't know, they are gone. i don't know. i have a 2-year-old the first thing he said to me was i don't know. >> it's actually worse than that. trust me, we would all, as we always would say in the southeast, we would all be buried in a federal penitentiary. >> but that was our excuse. >> in atlanta, georgia, if the irs sent me a letter and said, we are going to audit you and we need all of your e-mails and ten days later, my computer crashed and i lost the e-mails, and then after that, instead of
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recovering the e-mails, like everybody else does, i destroyed the computer. now, trust me, if any of us did that, we would be thrown in jail by the irs. >> by the irs criminal division, by the irs! >> we all know that to be the case. we all know that to be be the case. for the irs to have a commissioner go on capitol hill and show that kind of arrogance, like how dare you audit us! is basically what he is saying. we can run that clip again all day. he was lying. he got caught lying. you could go through it. >> yep. >> this is a pathetic display. ed rendell, why does the obama administration keep this guy in there? >> first of all, it may well have been incompetence. it's a possibility, but when you don't disclose that something like this happened, when you get caught without disclosing it, if he had disclosed it, at least it takes a little bit of the cover-up aspect of it away.
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and it's really hard to make a cover-up if you deal with it because the head of the irs at the time was a bush appointee. and liberal groups were examined as well. this looks terrible. this guy was incompetent and, joe, you're right, he was arrogant and nobody should be arrogant in the government. nobody. it's the public's right to know all of this stuff and you better have an explanation and that is the approach you have to take. >> this has smelled from the very beginning. lois lerner goes out and makes a fake get-together to release this. it has been sketchy from the start. >> it has. i think that is the part that erks people the most. i think the government is right. if you come up front and say, gee, guess what we discovered? this is a real problem. because of the sensitivity americans have about the irs to begin with, i would think the administration or at least the irs officials would like to have
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some level of confidence, but the absolute arrogance of this fool to sit in front of congress and say whatever -- maybe he has peeked at darrell issa and you should be mad at darrell issa. you're on trial here. forget darrell issa. you have a bigger problem with the america and this institution needs to come clean. >> all i'm trying to find out who you guys think was the one at the irs said let's destroy all of these e-mails. >> all of them at this point. all of them. >> guess what, steve? we don't know. >> what if republicans said that? what if we said that? come on, guys. who in the world would do that in the bush administration? that is not the way it operates. when republicans do this, we get those answers. you know how? "the new york times" goes after it every day. "usa today" goes after it every day. "the washington post" goes after it every day. "the boston globe."
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nbc news goes after it every day. cbs news goes after it every day. >> they go after it too. that is the difference! that is the difference, though! "wall street journal" aggressively covered the chris christie investigation. that is the difference. we don't have any media in our corner defending and covering up. >> nbc, abc, cbs news, "the washington post," "the new york times" put them all out there. they are all complicit in this news story. coming up, more auto recalls and this time not gm. tell you which car company needed to recall vehicles this time. a lesson for anyone flying. check your tickets carefully. one letter mistake sent one man 4,000 miles in a different direction? what? that is a bad day. >> that is awful! >> speaking of a bad day. here is bill karins with a check
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on the forecast. we have had nothing but sun, bill! >> waa-waa! >> you can't enjoy it. it's not my fault. >> what? did he say something dirty? >> not this time. go ahead, bill. we learned yesterday that may was the warmest for the land and the ocean the entire globe. on april we tied the record temperature. a good time to show a wide view of the entire globe here. this calculates the temperatures. the red shows you where it's been warmer than average. the blue cooler than average. literally since january, till now, only areas of eastern united states really cool and little spot down there in antarctica. much of the globe looking at warm temperatures this year. the weather today, heavy rain from chicago south all the way down just south of st. louis. we are going to watch this front heading east in the days ahead and see heavy rain developing. today in areas of ohio to pittsburgh to buffalo, one more nice day from d.c. up to boston and then it looks like the
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showers and storms come our way oo wednesday and especially wednesday afternoon and evening. if you have travel plans in new england or on the big airports there, wednesday evening, could get half an inch to an inch of rain with those down pours. southeast typical storms today and much of the west is looking just fine. leave with you a shot of one more clear, beautiful, low humidity morning in new york city. you're watching "morning joe." ♪
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>> yes, we do. >> we have my favorite segment of the day. >> what is that? >> when we talk about the newspapers. >> okay! >> from our parade of papers "the boston globe" last month the warmest may on record. don't tell us in the northeast. because we froze our butts off. the majority of the world experiencing warmer than average temperatures according to government scientists and averages were about 60 degrees and shattering the record set four years ago. the weather was particularly hot in areas such as australia and spain but the u.s. didn't set the record because we were cold and temperatures only one degree higher compared to previous records. but you ask me if there is global warming my answer to you? i'm not a scientist, man! but, yes, there is global warming and yes, there is climate change. >> and 8 zillions pumping carbon in the air has something to do with it. >> egyptian court convicted
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three al jazeera journalists on ten year in prison on terrorism related charges and a harsh decision after secretary of state john kerry visited cairo and told the officials the u.s. wanted to see the men released. the verdict has caused international backlash with many citing egypt's crackdown on the freedom of the press. horrible. >> how do you arrest, steve rattner, how do you arrest journalists in egypt covering an uprising? one of these journalists actually who saved a westerner during a riot. >> look. it's outrageous. >> wait a second. we brought you on here to defend the egyptian government. >> oh, no. let me talk to president obama. i think he is doing a better job than you -- no, kidding. >> really tough. >> that is a horrible story. >> it is a horrible story. >> it's just like -- >> the best that steve can't decide which is worse defending
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egypt or obama's poll numbers. >> i know. might be easier to defend egypt right now. >> a sign for the white house. yikes! i was ready for you to go! and then you said, just kidding. you were ready to defend obama instead of egypt. >> we will talk about this in a little bit but this is a terrible story. south sudan, i guess yesterday, finally released under international pressure this woman that had been arrested and with a young child and had a death penalty actually for adultery or for converting -- actually, christianity not renouncing it and now you have this in egypt. the egyptian leaders are going to have to back down. they have no choice. they have to back down. this is a black eye. >> they have no choice. "the washington post" honda and mazda and nissan recalling nearly 3 million cars over air bag issues. that in addition to millions of recalls from the automakers last year related to the same
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problem. the defective air bags could potentially explode. president of us air lines brought in over 1 billion in baggage and change fees in the first quarter of 2014. delta took in the most. half of those fees from me. rounding out the top five was united, us airways and american and sprint airlines. i took a trip over to london, like, six months ago. i had to change a flight for business reasons from like 6:00 to 9:30 or something. the charge -- >> oh, my lord. >> -- was extraordinary. it was extraordinary! >> i heard you explode in the newsroom. >> it was unbelievable. then coming back, i got to the airport early and asked if i could get on a 9:00 flight
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instead of an 11:00 flight and they tried to charge me $2,000. >> that's crazy. >> i said, wait a second. you've got open seat. you've got open seats. i'm here. i'm a million miler. and you're going to charge me 2,000 bucks to get on an open seat? >> what airline? >> delta. they are usually nice. >> obviously, they are the worse for exchange fees. >> this is why, for the first time, almost -- >> except these exchange fees are insanity. >> why for the first time in history the airlines are making money because we have allowed so many mergers and so much less competition. why are they charging these change fees? because they can. daily mail and american man is suing british airways for $34,000 in damages after a booking error landed him in grenada in the caribbean instead
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of granada, spain. the man claims he made it explicitly clear to the travel agent he was looking to fly to spain but wound up 4,000 miles away from his intended destination. he also says his electronic ticket did not have the airport code or destination on it. british airways apologized but refused to reimburse him? >> when did he figure out that he wasn't going to spain? when he looked down and there was iceland? >> it never crossed his mind? >> none of the instructions were in spanish or anything? i don't know. you should do the next story, joe. >> my mom had a birthday. >> ah! happy birthday, mom! >> happy birthday! >> i love you. my mom had the happiest day of her life she said when i got old enough to pour my own cereal because i always got up early.
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i was like up at 4:30, mom, would you pour my cereals? captain crunch and crunch berries. >> mom, would you pour my cereal? >> it would be 4:30, 4:35 in the morning. >> that hasn't changed! >> now it's you! >> i don't even know what that means? >> you have your cheerios. all right. any way. >> any way. it ends up, i don't believe this because my mom would not have let me have sugar smacks and all of those others. >> i loved sugar smacks! >> cookie crisps! >> i'm not sure they were look on for you. >> young children may be ingesting unhealthy amounts of vitamin a and zinc. >> zinc sounded so good! >> the levels of nutrients are calculated for adults. according to researchers nus nutritional lableeds aels.
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scientists recommend parents limit the fortified cereal their kids eat. the sugcereals, i love them and they are great but shouldn't be like pop. >> you need an indulgence every once in a while. >> but that is not how america eats them. >> i liked cocoa crispies. >> turn the milk all chocolatey. >> the side benefit was the chocolate milk afterwards. >> for the quake, qisp. mississippi the longest serve republican senators is in jeopardy lose ago seat to a tea party candidate. thad cochran is up against chris mcdaniel. it's been a grueling three weeks
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of campaigning. thad cochran is bringing out the big guns to secure his seat and kasie hunt is following the race from mississippi. >> we cannot afford not to have this experience handed the tiller in the most dangerous times i have ever seen in my lifetime. >> reporter: thad cochran is finally bringing in the cavalry. >> every day in the u.s. senate, we get to do john mccain in action. >> reporter: cochran barely forced a runoff after a tough primary three weeks ago. at the close he is getting help from senators and star quarterbacks the like. >> please tell your family and friends let's stand with thad. >> reporter: cochran's challenge? expand the electorate with a message he is good for mississippi. opponent chris mcdaniel cuts will hurt. >> the name of the game is to talk issues and broaden their base and if that is what cochran has done to win, i think that is a good winning strategy. >> reporter: some of cochran's supporters have been courting
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african-american democrats. mcdaniels say at worse illegal. >> a orchestrated effort. they are hiring people out there to reach the liberal democrats homes and bring them to the polls. now, that is fine in a general election certainly. this is a republican primary. >> reporter: to win, mcdaniel needs to keep his tea party supporters energized. >> the only way to change is send new people to washington, d.c. we are tired of the back room deals. we are tired of the business as usual. >> reporter: the campaign has been nasty for months but it's only gotten worse during the runoff and suggestions that cochran at 76 years old isn't up to the job. >> they say his age has a lot to do with it. that doesn't mean your mind stops because of a certain age. >> reporter: after a campaign that has been so close, so combative, even the candidates are ready for a vacation. >> what is going to be your first act if you win this race? >> i'm going to disney world. >> all right.
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joining us now from hattiesburg, mississippi, msnbc political reporter kasie hunt. what does thad cochran need to do to try on close this today? >> reporter: he has to do a lot. at this point it's an uphill battle for him. you know? i think there is a sense here on the ground that they have really picked it up since last time we were here three weeks ago. it's pretty clear they are working very hard and they have shifted their focus to the ground game and support is much more energized. absentee ballots is way up which is an interesting trend heading into this. the general wisdom the more people show up at the polls the better cochran will do like what happened the last time. it gave them a road map to show where they need to bring those voters out. cochran's ads have also shifted somewhat from his original defense of his own conservative values, hitting obamacare to kind of a broader message that fits in with this idea they
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might be courting democrats to try to switch over. his ads are focusing he has been good for mississippi and brought that federal money back so voters on from both parties should want to send him back to washington. >> guys, i mean, everything we know about politics, michael, republican politics. >> yes. >> special elections at the end of june, i do not see a way forward for thad cochran. especially the most motivated people aren't going to come out for a big spending appropriator. >> they are not. i think that has been the real driver that has been hard for him to overcome. it's just that idea he is so washington. he's so inside that there's just no turning back for him. so the question i think that, you know, kasie touched on it with democrats coming into play here in terms of turning out the black vote in the republican primary, ken cuccinelli, the former attorney general and
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gubernatorial candidate in virginia stepped in a little bit over there down in that race. you got sarah palin and brett favre. what does the narrative for the tea party going forward? outside of all of that noise do they see this as sort of one of those bellwether moments they can sling shot into other campaigns later in the year? >> reporter: i think that the tea party nationally has got almost everything writing on the outcome of this election. i think the club to for growth has poured a lot of money counsel here. they view it in part something they have already won and getting him this far. i think especially considering as you look at the rest of the map and you see that not very many sort of tea party backed candidates have succeeded. lindsey graham in south carolina pushing back quite a few of them, this race is really a huge test for them. >> all right, kasie. thank you very much. see you next time. coming up, is soccer finally catching on in america?
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brazil looking to advance to the next round and wouldn't take long for namar scoring easily in the 17th minute of playing and neymar gets a goal. brazil wins 4-1 and important because mexico and croatia went next and scoreless into the second half to the 72nd minute and mexico scores off the corner kick and minutes later they would add a second perfectly placed goal and win 3-1 scoring all goals over the course of 10:00. brazil and mexico playing for first place and tied at the top of the group. group a both advancing to the next round. brazil is the top seed. based on goal differential. later, after struggling to even qualify in the world cup, mexico's manager miguel herrera was clearly overjoyed and celebrating in epic fashion after each of his team's goals. he was previously known for his stylish mullet. i'm growing my hair like that this summer, girls. >> hey, stop it now!
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♪ look at that pretty shot of the white house. the sun is coming up over washington. welcome back to "morning joe." >> i'm looking for jonathan's tweet. he is like, "what is with your hair? >> why? >> i don't know. he doesn't like it. i can't pronounce his name. he says what is with your hair? i think i answered it during sports. i'm growing a mullet this summer. >> that is disturbing. >> i'm going to get it down to my belt buckle. >> here with us now is former presidential candidate and former republican governor from minnesota, tim pawlenty. good to have you back on the show. always nice to see you. >> good morning. thanks for having me on the show. >> good. i guess i've got this piece from
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"wall street journal" on hillary clinton. do you guys want to do that? >> i thought you wanted to talk about the president's poll numbers? >> fine. secretary of state john kerry is back in northern iraq this morning to meet with leaders in kurdstan. where does the american public stand on the approach to dealing with iraq? new poll shows more than half d d disapprove how he is handling the crisis there. as far as u.s. options go, more than half support the deployment of military advisers and even more with back targeted drone strikes, but just a fraction favor putting american boots on the ground like on some say we should. when it comes to leadership, 58% disapprove of the way mr. obama is handling foreign policy. a record high for the president, up ten points from last month. >> all right. so as we are looking at this and let's keep this up for a second.
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i will say this. that is unfair. but that is what politics is, governor. that you have the american people saying we want out of iraq, we want out of iraq, we want out of the iraq, we want out of iraq. not like barack obama hid the ball. he said we are going to get out of iraq. he got out of iraq at the same time george w. bush said he was going to get out of iraq and things blow up. this is, i guess, being a politician they blow up and those are your numbers. when you do, a majority of americans say they want you to do in other polling numbers. please take those numbers down. they are depressing even no republicans. >> two things. one is the president under president bush said when you have the security agreement. number two, even though the public understandably and the country is fatigued with war and fired of war and don't want boots on the ground we have to
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do everything short of that nik sure that a group isis doesn't get momentum, capability, size, scope and scale to get us either here or our interests abroad. >> 4,500 americans die and bonehead maliki in there. it wasn't like we were trying to strike a deal with this shiite thug. >> when i was governor, i had a chance to be in iraq five times. maliki is a thug. he is someone who promulgated a war. >> doesn't this lie on maliki's head than any other american leader? >> it does but his problem becomes our problem. if you allow isis to run free in big parts of syria and western iraq and everything in iraq north of baghdad and maybe parts of baghdad' they kept sufficient scale and scope to attack us we
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will rule the today. >> ed rendell, i'm sure you totally agree with that. i want the troops home and i've been talking about it in afghanistan for years. but, i mean, the president, again, did what the american people wanted him to do. and he tried to strike a deal with maliki and maliki didn't want to strike a deal because he was flirting with the iranians. >> joe, even more importantly, the president is doing the right thing now. yes, we should try to stop isis with air power but only after maliki gets out or maliki agrees to immediately form a government that does, in fact, give the sunnis and kurds real power. i want to say one thing about poll numbers. if you govern by poll numbers by the temporal poll numbers you will never be successful. you got to do what you believe is right for the condition and take the hit in the short term and hopefully, the poll numbers
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will turn around. >> i've always been tough on george w. bush on his foreign policy and his big spending but during the surge, an l.a. times poll showed 78% of americans were against the surge. going to the governor's point, george w. bush said, i don't care. we need to have a surge and bring stability and he was right and 78% of us were wrong. >> yeah. listen. you can debate how it turned out for us, but we were never a white house that took into much consideration public opinion polling on foreign policy. i think people have written a lot about sort of 9/11. that was the effect. the president and vice president didn't care about public opinion and they were determined to do whatever to do to keep the country safe. i wonder what you think about on foreign policy, we don't seem to have much cohesion and you hear leading voices. we used to have, i think guiding lights in the party. i think john mccain for spoke a lot of republicans and i think he speaks for some republicans but i feel like our party is
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fractured. >> is there a fracture and what i call defense of security hawks and the restain of the republican party. a lot of the momentum is at the grassroots which is libertarian and absent the most extreme circumstances and there is a split on that. >> by the way, i like to think of myself as somebody that, you know, made some mistakes but i like a reserve foreign policy, but i agree with you. in this case, this situation is getting out of hand very quickly and we have to do something. the president knows it too. >> the country -- look. this president and the country does not currently have the stomach to put boots on the ground but if you look at jack keen's article the other day in one of the major publications, he outlined a menu of things you could do that would at least increase the probability you could contain isis short of boots on the ground. >> governor pawlenty and governor rendell, thank you both very much. we will be right back. and you're talking to your rheumatologist about a biologic... this is humira.
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>> none of us should have to be reminded that a threat left unattended could have grave, trag tragic controversies. >> i said i would provide all of the e-mails. we are providing all of the e-mails. i never said i would provide you e-mails we didn't have. >> you are asked a question and you should answer the question. >> di. >> no, you didn't. >> first day here. >> right now in these difficult times, we need his leadership. >> the president will announce new concrete action that will better support the needs of working families. >> this administration is supportive of the concept of lifting women up. >> when women succeed, america succeed so there is no such thing as an american issue. >> what an event you had yesterday at the white house. >> lovely on. i liked being there. great conversation. >> on the set, nicole wallace is still bus. joining the table former mccain
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campaign strategist and msnbc political analyst, steve schmidt. the host of "now." alex wagner. >> they are trying to get that break there. they are trying to get that scratched off the resume. you would be glad to trade one line from her resume from one line with yours, right? >> maybe. maybe. >> let me just say that which doesn't kill you, makes you stronger. >> oh! >> i was happy to have served on that campaign. losing presidential campaign is a blow. >> it's hard. >> but what a campaign! >> yeah. >> humdinger, right? isn't that the word for on it? >> if you're a democrat, what a campaign. speaking of democrats. >> i saw a lot of them yesterday. president obama is launching a major push to expand flexibility policy for working families. he spoke yesterday at the first-ever white house summit on working families.
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>> mika, you moderated the discussion. a great discussion. debra lee is a top executive at b.e.t. and described a situation where male colleagues were pushing for a position and she was offered even though the position didn't exist when the men were chasing after it. >> i found out three guys at the company had already asked for the job. >> right. >> i was, like, but there was no job. how do they know? >> they make up stuff. >> they make it up! >> they oversell in every way. it is an unbelievable talent on the part of the human male. >> right. >> they oversell in every way. what experience do you have in work force with people that oversell, mika? >> i don't know. it's just something that i've seen along the way. and i started. actually, i think it's a great
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talent. we are going to double the ratings when the show started is what you said. and we are going to beat imus is what you said. i said why would you say that? >> more money. we did that too. >> yeah. >> and i said we are going to build a rocket ship to mars. almost got that done. >> you said you would reinvent the wheel. >> your point is that men have confidence. sometimes we have a lot more confidence than we deserve to have. >> and we are like realistic and kind of explicit to a t about what we think we might be able to do if we would be so lucky to get the job. and it's a completely different approach and i think we need to meld a little bit with the male approach without turning into men and acting like men but it was an interesting conversation with these ladies, gloria steinum and nancy pelosi and dr. judith rhoden and women who have brilliant dynamic careers, yet
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they all had stories when they kind of missed the boat a couple times around. >> women negotiate with themselves. >> yeah. >> way too often, right? instead of negotiating with the people that can give them a promotion or more money or whatever, women sort of talk themselves into a circular dialogue. >> exactly. we just don't think big for ourselves. it was inspiring and fun. >> it was a great conference. not so great, though, on the other side of pennsylvania avenue if you ran the irs. another heated day on capitol hill over the irs targeting political groups. for the second time in four days, irs commissioner john koskinen, i don't think i have to memorize his name because i don't think we will be be saying it that much. >> stop. >> he testified about years worth of missing e-mails. congressman darrell issa the chairman of the house oversight committee, accused him of lacking credibility.
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>> when you knew in april that you said you were going to give us all of it. you said to mr. cummings and myself you would give us all, you went and told political appoi appoi appointes of treasury, didn't you? >> i did not. >> who did you tell in april when you knew? >> i didn't tell anybody. i was advised. no one to tell. >> reporter: you didn't tell your i.g. some of the documents weren't going to be provided? >> i -- >> or did you cause someone to find out at the white house at treasury or your i.g.? >> i did not. if you have any evidence of that, i'd be happy to see it. >> i asked a question. >> and i answered it. >> you did not cause anyone to find out? >> i absolutely did not. >> you told us all e-mails would be provided when you discovered all e-mails would not be provided, you did not come back and inform us, is that correct? >> all of the e-mails we have will be provided. i did not say i would provide you e-mails that disappeared. if you have a magical way for me to do that, i'd be happy know about it. i said i would provide all of the e-mails and we are providing all of the e-mails. the fact three years ago, not
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all of them, but some were not available. i never said i would provide you e-mails we didn't have and, in fact, we are going to provide you 24,000 e-mails from the -- >> my time has expired and i've lost my patience with you! >> that was -- you know, last hour, i was trying to get to the part that was the sketchiest. it was hard because if casey kasem were with us he have the top 40 moments of the irs commissioner. you didn't tell anybody the e-mails were destroyed? he goes, i was advised. i didn't tell anyone. who told him to keep this away from investigators? again, the toughest part of it is the irs gets a letter from the chairman of the ways and means committee saying we are going to begin an investigation. ten days later, a computer crashes. they throw it away.
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and -- >> who throws away a computer any more? i've got seven at home, like, we never throw them away. >> alex, you got anything? >> well, i mean -- >> on come on, alex! >> 43,000 from the recipients of lois lerner's e-mail chain. >> there is an explanation and i'm sure you have it. >> guess what? it's a gross, big bureaucracy. they are using really old machines. the way the irs computes, it's not like g-mail where things go to cloud. it's kept on tape which is insane! then that tape is destroyed every 60 days because the irs is, like, 1960 soviet style bureaucracy. >> why would you throw away the evidence? ten days after lois lerner -- the head of the ways and means committee who, in effect, runs oversight for your committee saying we are launching an investigation into this
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targeting and ten days later, it, quote, crashes and then you throw away the computer? somebody in the irs should go to jail because they would send us to jail if we did that. >> for sure. look. everything alex just said, i agree with, right? why would we ever want to empower them with oversight and tax collection responsibilities with regard to our health care? but a different point. if this was a republican white house, this was the bush administration, the coverage of this would be just extraordinary. here is what i don't understand where democrats are coming from on this. why on earth are democrats trying to expullcate? this is a grotesque abuse of power by the irs and government officials against the american people. we live in a liberal society. we have a two-party system. dissenting voices need to be heard. outrageous. >> i don't understand why democrats would defend this guy. why wouldn't the white house in
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out and fire him immediately? nobody around here is blaming barack obama. nobody around here is saying barack obama and joe biden got together one friday night watching espn and say you know what? we ought to target tea party groups. nobody is suggesting that. there was a republican that was ahead of this division. why do democrats feel compelled to defend the irs? why do the newspapers feel compelled to bury the news? go after the guy. he is, obviously, sketchy, as sketchy as chris mcdaniels down in mississippi. boy, we don't have good choices in mississippi tonight, do we? >> they are not good. >> they are not good! but this guy is a sketchy guy. he should be fired! >> the arrogance. he is talking to the chairman of the house oversight committee. just the extraordinary arrogance. he clearly doesn't think he is accountable to anybody. >> steve made the operative
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point here. if this were a republican administration that surged every e-mail organizing for america in it to try to target the tax status of president obama's political action committee, this would be on the front page of the newspapers and leading the news and henry waxman would have committees every day. every white house official would have private counseling. >> can i just say, and he should. if it was henry waxman or darrell issa or whomever when the irs gets involved in this sort of play whether it's against democrats or republicans, i think that is the time the hill should go after him. i'd love to see some democrats come out and pound this guy too. there were democratic groups also targeted as well, right? >> yeah. >> and when you get in to political like i slept through three years of law school but even i know that political speech is held to a higher standard. >> yeah. look. i think part of the issue here which steve brought up is this part of the government functioning? and whether or not there was
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sort of malicious intent or political targeting is one question, and then the other is competence. >> right. >> that's the big -- >> from the agency that demands competence from us or they send us to on jail. >> i think given the level of what they are doing and the increasing level of importance they are playing in the government and it's clear that they are not. i guess what i would like to see from all of this is some kind of resolution and plan so that this doesn't happen again and so that the irs is functioning. now, i'm sure democrats and republicans will have different views on what exactly that. >> they could go to like different e-mail system. >> yes. >> we are going to talk about the president's poll numbers really quickly. first, i want to commiserate with my republican brothers and sisters on the set here. it's rare i have more than one. you can tell summer is here. >> no one else is free so we get
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to all come on together. the democrats! >> majority. remarkable. >> rich liberals go to the coast. >> nantucket? >> not nantucket. that is hate speech. stop that. >> steve rattner is here. >> he is here somewhere. but he is going to chat so we can fire it right up. >> that's true. >> boy, i'll tell you what mississippi looks ugly for us. i'm a conservative guy. i like thad. but, man, he is an appropriator and he spends tons of money. that's what he takes pride in. i wouldn't want to vote for this guy but who is running against him, holy molle! that guy is about as sketchy of a character frrks what i've s, e seen from a thousand miles away. >> he is likely to be a u.s. senator. >> yeah, he is going to win. >> thad cochran, i think he hung around too long and should have hung it up at some point. the united states senate, you
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know, is an institution. it's a place where, you know, the giants of american history have walked. and as we have had a conversation over the last decade, politics keeps going down. the path it's going and finding good people to run for office. in fact, he would seem to be depositive of that. >> he is a sfrang cat ftrange c. >> strange cat! >> you know what. >> strange cat! >> he is a strange cat. and his background. you know? so many of these guys that, suddenly, 10:00 happens and, oh, i'm a tea party guy. he is one of them. it's just like, was it matt bevins was writing a letter bail out the banks! please, bail out the banks! please! and then like two years later, he is attacking mitch mcconnell for voting to bail out the banks and he doesn't love america. >> at least he had the whole dock fighting thing to fall back on. >> he had that in his back
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pocket. his back pocket. >> let's go to polling now. new polling from -- >> bad when mika wants to move on from this. >> i can't believe that guy is going to be a united states senator? really? >> looks that way. >> that's sad for the party there. okay. but whatever! i don't know what that means actually. but we will move on. from "the new york times" and cbs news shows more than half disapprove of president obama handling the crisis in iraq. 37% approve. as far as u.s. options go, more than half support the deployment of military advisers and even more with back-targeted drone strikes. >> look at the number that would support activity over there as well as favoring drone strikes and keep this up. actually, so we see that. now let's go to next poll on leadership that shows terrible numbers for the president.
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alex, off set, when we were off camera, even the republicans around the set said, man, in a time of crisis, those are really depressing numbers. you know how the president got those numbers? doing what americans wanted him to do by getting out of iraq. now things going badly, okay, send in the drones which proves you can't look at polls. >> i don't think he does. >> i don't think he does either. come on. >> you don't think president obama looks at polls? >> no. i'm saying on this issue in iraq -- >> i think he is where he is -- >> he knew who he was when he ran in 2008. >> i think that was a political calculation to beat hillary clinton in the democratic primary. i think this is the root of his calculations on iraq have now sort of cycled. the voters are very smart and i think they detect that a lot of this has been political. >> i think if you read all of the reporting on this, getting the country out of iraq was a
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deeply held belief on the part of the president and on the part of the vice president. peter baker tick tock yesterday in "the new york times" illustrates how emotionally invested they were saying we are done here and how little political will there was to negotiate a status of forces. >> i agree with you. nicole, i usually agree with you but i tell you for this president, i think he had two big goals. get out of iraq by the end of my first term and get out of ael afghanistan the end of the second term. i get tired of hearing about health care. he ran on health care, blah, blah, blah! hold on a second. because it's important. it's garbage that he ran on health care. he ran to get america out of iraq. so i don't think we can say that this was a political calculation. >> but i think that politics have always entered into his policy making on iraq. that was my only part. i'm not saying he doesn't believe it. i think there is hauls been a
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political element to his -- his messaging and his policy on iraq. >> the big failure is -- i mean, the failure can be shared around the table, i think. the thing we don't talk about is the iraqi security force are a disaster. >> the failure is the iraqis. i don't think that president obama is to blame for what is happening in iraq and as long as the iraqis have more passion for their sectarian differences than a stable country, there is not much we can do. >> let's talk about republican failures. the great republican miscalculation in 2003, the greatest was that we could reshape other countries and our image and what do we have ten, 11, 12 years later? >> chaos. >> we have chaos because, guess what? you can't make maliki anything more than a shia thug. that is what he. you go to afghanistan and you can't make karzai anything more than the thug that he is. and men and women from this country have died for those people to be running the
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country. >> it had always been the highest aspiration of the u.s. policymakers there be an afghan or iraqi george washington emerge who could put the country together and put a federal state together and in the reality there is not i think we had signed the status of forces agreement and 10,000 american forces in the country, what we would have tooked is 10,000 american forces in the middle of a shai/sunni war and not able to have prevent or stop it. >> how do you strike a deal with maliki when he doesn't want to strike a deal? after 4,500 americans have died, we have spent $2 to $3 trillion dollars and he is playing ftse with iran. what is president obama supposed to do in that case? >> he is not playing ftse with ir -- footsys with iran. we have radical shia fighting
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radical sunnis and this is a bloodletting. but the united states should not be intervening on one way or another of two groups of enemies. we will see an enormous fight taking place and it's going to metastasize over the weeks, because the isis has shot down the over land roots to syria that iranians supply. >> alex, we want to hear about your special series. >> a four-part series yesterday that is about immigration. i went down to the texas/mexico border huge influx of inawe companied children and it's really compelling stuff. >> here's is a look. take a look at this clip. >> none of these neighborhoods have residential lighting. they also want better drainage. >> reporter: no drainage, no street lights.
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basic services for most american neighborhoods. but not necessarily all of them. even if residents are paying taxes, if they aren't legal, there may not be lights. >> let's say that they may not have papers. they are old enough now they probably have kids that are american citizens. they have grandkids that are american citizens. by them grouping together and asking for stuff that most people have, i mean, how can you not want to help these people? >> alex wagner, we will be looking for that. thank you very much. you can see her special series all this week on "now" at 4:00 right here on msnbc. steve schmidt, thank you as well. coming up, things are about to get heated in new york. a land mark case is set to be filed against the teachers unions. one of the leaders of the cause, campbell brown, joins us with jeffr jeffrey sachs.
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26 past the hour. a live look at washington, d.c. on this beautiful morning. here with us now is former news anchor and founder of the partnership for educational justice campbell brown. and director of the earth institute at columbia universities, dr. jeffrey sacha and steve rattner is also at the table. >> hi there. >> do it. >> complicated with mika. >> campbell, you want to bring something over from the west coast to the east coast. tell us what it is. >> so i am working with an organization that is supporting six parents who were filing a lawsuit here in new york that is similar to the case in california that made a lot of news very recently, versus the state of california where parents there challenged and won on constitutional grounds, a case challenging teacher tenure, last and first out seniority
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makes that the reason when it happens dismissal wide and you hear these crazy sounding cases of teachers who have molested kids and can't get them out of system. it sparked a national conversation how we think about some of these laws and how we can restructure. our public education system is designed more to support this. >> the extreme cases make it appear as ridiculous, which it is. if it were easy to make positive changes, new york this is the hot bed of controversy over how to deal with our educational system. why hasn't progress happened? >> it's politics. pure and simple, it really is, i think, at the local level. it's brought about incremental change but not quickly enough for these parents. this whole thing is born out of
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their frustration which is, you know, a mom in the bronx who has got a teenage son and she sees two paths for her son. i mean, she is one of our plaintiffs and one of them is in jail and one of them is in school. if her school is failing her, she feels a level of desperation that none of us around this table have ever felt. >> what are some of the concerns you might have, dr. sacha, to an effort like this? >> i don't quite see it in this linear way. the problem is the 14-year-old and the teacher. the problem starts much earlier. we know that poor kid that come into first grade are already one or two years behind. they haven't had their early childhood education growing up in a very poor household. they don't hear the same number of words in general. maybe their parents are not all english speaking. we need to take a little bit more rounded view of this. and i do get concerned every time we view this as bashing the
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teachers because what we need is a cooperative concerted approach. we have got a big problem. the problem is very much class division in our society. poor kids have a very poor chance by the time they are in second or third grade, they are already diverging, almost lost to the system. >> let me say too. i don't disagree in any way with the doctor is saying. poverty has to be addressed. but what we do know and every study supports this is the single most important school based factor that can have a difference in a child's life is the teacher. >> if we took a holistic, rather than a blame approach, i think we would get a lot farther. >> i think we all agree that everything you've said about preschool and early years is absolutely true. i think what campbell is doing is trying to attack one piece of the problem we can't solve. even campbell. >> well, i don't know. >> i think she is can do it. >> she is taking on a piece of the issue which i personally
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think is a legitimate issue and trying to make some progress. >> and -- >> can i just finish? >> of course. >> i guess i have two questions for you, campbell. question one, do you think that you have a reasonable chance or any chance of prevailing in the courts the way they did in california and with or without that, you -- mika mentioned the importance of politics in all of this. are you getting any support from the governor? i suspect you're not getting any love from the mayor but if you can tell us that. >> we have first gone public to this and we haven't heard anything from the mayor but i expect we will as we get further along. in terms of our chances, i hope they are good. it's a different legal arlth here in new york than it is in california because the constitutional language is different in new york. the case law supporting it is different in new york. so i think legally, we may have a slightly higher hurdle getting as far as they did, but there's
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so many factors that go into this and getting beyond a motion to dismiss and getting to discovery. >> tenure, jeffrey, looking at trying regroup on keeping teachers that perhaps -- do you have a problem with that? >> my feeling is, in general, i've been involved in lots of public policy issues like this. if we take a more hoeistic approach, we are going to get a lot more cooperation. if we go at it right between the eyes with lawsuits, we are going to get both sides up in arms against each other. >> all right, campbell brown and dr. jeffrey sachs, keep u.s posted. i know you will, campbell. she pellets me like a machine gun with information. coming up, two major league soccer players have appeared in this year's world cup. has soccer finally arrived here in the states? you have arrived. the man behind the league, mls commissioner don garber is standing by.
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number one! as long as we beat germany. also we could tie them, we would still get through on points. and we can even lose, but then it comes down to math. in portugal beats ghana by less than five goals or ghana beats portugal by only one goal, then we would advance on goal differential. they can even tie. that would still work! usa? >> with us now -- that is great. we have the commissioner of major league soccer. don garber, 25 million people watched sunday's game. >> thank you for the scarf! love it! >> have yto show the scarves. 25 million people watched sunday night's usa game. i think it's safe to say soccer has arrived in america. >> astounding numbers and record setting numbers, the highest ever broadcast here in the united states.
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far bigger than even the other championship games for the major leagues here. >> bigger than the nba championship and bigger the world series. it's unbelievable. look at that graphic. rattner, we were up three nights straight trying to put that graphic together. any way steve, it's right. >> how do you capitalize on it? how do you take all this excitement and enthusiasm which we at all feel and what happens with all of that other stuff and how do you take soccer and the u.s. to the next level? >> it starts with really the logos on that scarf. it's connecting your club and your country and having players on our national team who play major league soccer so clint do dempsey who scores that goal and plays in seattle and coming out of the world cup they will have 67,000 fans playing against the portland timbers and that team is owned by hank paulsen. we have to connect the dots between this national team and
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our players getting the spine of our team on with these record numbers and following it up. >> what does it look like? where are you going to be thursday watching these games? and what does it look like if for the united states as they play germany? >> germany is a great team. it's going to be a tough match. i think in the past, we thought when we go after these world powers we had no chance. now we believe we can stand toe-to-toe with any team in the world. we beat ghana and portugal used to beat us up all the time and we tied them. we have to get a tie or a win as colbert said and all sorts of gyrations that need to happen for to us get through but we want to continue to be part of this conversation. >> exciting thing coming to the mls next year, especially in new york with the new new york team. >> that's right. a new stadium. playing in yankees stadium. partnering with the yankees, owned by the folks in abu dhabi. they just signed david vea who scored a goal. >> one of the great international players.
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>> if you live in new york, steve, to your question. how do you get a world class player like via and get him in new york where we have got lots of people who care about the sport and put him in yankees stadium where lots of people know where that is? and ultimately all of those dots are connected? >> i would go to that. >> i was going to ask on the lead-up to that. how do you see expansion? you got the connection of team and country and all of that. how do you see expansion over the next five, ten years for the mls in the united states as a whole? >> mike, it's a young league, right? we are not even 20 years old and started ten teams and last 10 to 12 years going from 10 to 19 and next year is 21 one in new york city and one in orlando. atlanta is coming and beckham is putting a team in miami. you talked about him over the years when he was in our league. we will be 20 team by the end of the decade and continuing to
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grow after that. >> fantastic. how much fun is this? love the scarves. thank you so much! >> i love the scarf. >> don garber, thank you. very nice to have you on the show. >> always great to see you. >> good to see you too. a federal court decision yesterday that has massive implications. we will explain what it is next on "morning joe." ♪
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have you ever looked at someone and right away thought you know exactly what they're like and what they believe in? well, odds are you're wrong. what's on the outside and what's on the inside can be very different. the more you know. ♪ a federal court yesterday made a public justice department memo justify the drone killing of an american citizen who was allegedly a senior member of al qaeda's yemen branch. what are the implications of what was revealed? joining us now is the co-host of msnbc "the cycle". good to have you on the show,
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ari. what happened yesterday? >> a result of a circuit court second ruling against the obama admission saying the attempt to keep the legal justify of the targeted killing program including the killing of one american could no longer suffice, that they had discussed it too much in open terms, if you remember "the new york times" kill list. >> right. >> yeah. >> look how well we are doing on national security, that went in and undercut the legal arguments they made which they couldn't confirm or deny this program. >> so you've said, i was just reading the notes. it said that -- you say the obama administration, at the same time, can't brag about being tough on terrorism because of drone strikes and hide behind the fact it's a secret program so they can't reveal information. >> exactly right. one of the situations they sent their lawyers out in court in d.c. and new york where they lost saying well, we can't confirm or deny this is a so-called state secret. for super-duper real secrets you
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have the ability to keep it a secret. >> right. >> this was not a secret. >> those are not things you leak, steve rattner, to "the new york times" in the middle of a campaign showing how the president is. >> this went to making the memo public as opposed to the legality of the target itself. >> that's correct. let's be clear. there is no precedent. there is no court case that says that a president can kill americans without process off the battlefield. we are not talking here about john walker lindh where there is a president and he's on the battlefield holding the gun working with the taliban. we are talking about whether there is any due process, something the fifth amendment guarantees for americans, off the battlefield or where the president says i've decided you're a terrorist, i believe you're an eminent threat. this is scary real stuff here. >> then killing his son. >> then killing his son who what we call in the u.s. a minor. also, i know you've mentioned
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this before, joe, killing a lot of other people who may not have been targets. we are finally in the delayed by see more memos and have this debate. one of the other things people want is number of list of civilian casualties. how do we weigh whether this is working from a legal or security standpoint if the administration won't tell us not little every operational detail and no one is asking for that. i think they are redacted from this memo but is this working? how many of the bad guys are we getting? who decides whether they are bad and how many other cincinnati civilians in these countries are getting killed? >> are we killing? you talk about due process. there really is no due process for americans overseas if they are in certain areas. there is a presumption of guilt if you're within a certain radius of suspected terrorists. and that is frightening enough, being our drone policy, but then when you attach u.s. citizenship
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to it as well. we are talking about the constitution of the united states of america and you just can't be killed, like his son was killed because he was hanging out in the wrong place at the wrong time eating lunch. >> but is that something -- but is that something that we know at the time a drone strike takes place? presumably as the administration has made the case this happening real-time, you know, we have got the target in sight. you either take that opportunity and, yes, there is collateral to that. >> right. >> how does that play out going forward in light of, you know, what we are trying to see publicly here? what is the administration's position going to be going forward? this regard? >> well, going forward, their argument is we have this authority, it hasn't been tested in court to steven's point with regard to killing itself. this is more about secretory, right? the best thing you can say for the administration is they take this process seriously. they do have limits that they
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have applied. recently in the news we were talking about khattalah, right? martin dempsey said according to the legal authority, they couldn't kill him outright because he was not linked to the al qaeda groups under the 9/11 authorization. there are some limits somewhere along the line but it would not be reasonable for americans to wonder whether we're getting this right when americans, right, don't have that process. >> right. >> if any administration, this president or another, simply says so without any evidence necessarily in public and this gentleman who is accused of some very bad things, did -- >> not steve, but this gentleman. >> so will this be tested? ? the substance of it tested and, if not, why not, in court? >> you're asking for a legal prediction? . unlikely. >> why would not somebody bring a legal case and test the substance of it? >> the last time wrongful death suits were brought in this context, hard to get to the merits.
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good morning. it's june 24th. i can't believe. >> oh, my lordy. >> this summer is going. former communication director george wncht buto george w. bush, nicolle wallace. and philadelphia former chairman of the democratic national committee and pennsylvania governor and sports writer and whatever you need him to be.
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if you have a little kink in your engine he can check under the hood and fix that too. ed rendell. >> we did a panel on working families. we talked personally about the challenges of sort of being out in the workforce today. it was very engaging. the president, as you mentioned, was talking about how dads get that pass. >> what pass is that? >> if you sneak out early to go to your kids' baseball game you're like, oh, what a great dad. >> he's a good dad, isn't he? >> meanwhile, us moms are slinking out of the room. >> out of the office? >> out of the office. >> great conference. >> great conference. we had a really, really good time in our conversation with gloria steinam, nancy pelosi, deborah lee of b.e.t.
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and we went there on a couple of things. >> fantastic. >> it was fun. we're keeping an eye on a wide range of stories today with new developments overnight in iraq. voters head to the polls in mississippi this morning challenging six-time senatored that cochran. it's been a nasty race from the start. exclusive sound bites about this straight ahead. members of congress continue to hammer the irs over years of missing e-mails. we'll show you what the agency's commissioner said and why many lawmakers are simply not buying it. and with consumer prices creeping up, iraq spiraling out of control, inflation is again on the minds of policy makers. steve ratner has the charts to break it all down and what it means to you. something is happening on "morning joe" for the first time in the history of "morning joe." >> what's that? >> i've got more than one republican to talk to. this has never happened before.
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>> wait a minute. >> they were freak out in the control room. this is a huge mistake for the democratic -- >> who did this? who did this? >> don't forget, ed rendell is out there. it is three to three. >> it is three to three. usually we're not given fair odds. i will take it today. ed rendell, thank you for balancing things out. chris christie's investigation, which we'll get into as well. in mps, i probably speak for my other republican friends, at least my conservative friends. i'm torn becaused that ed thd d because thad cochran is a big appropriations guy but this other guy is so slippery. >> yeah. >> there are so many of these tea party guys -- >> thank you for saying that. >> -- they were one thing when bush was in office, which was mainstream republicans, some of them were trial lawyers and acting -- it was unbelievable.
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and the second 2010 came they were like, oh, wait. oh, wait. i'm like a real conservative guy. and this guy down in mississippi that's running against thad cochran, i would not trust him with a closing on an apartment. >> yeah. >> you know what i'm saying? nicole, come on. let's be honest. he is a slippery character. >> they wanted to make this about establishment versus tea party, but i don't think that's what this race is. i mean, i think this is choosing the best of two options that force the voters in mississippi to compromise. with cochran they have somebody who has been there a very long time but has the interest of the state in mind. but i think his challenger is not truly the exciting up start, as someone who you describe is super slippery. >> he is super slippery. go back and look at his history. this guy is not tom cotton, who i think all republicans can be excited about. democrats aren't excited about him. not a lot of great choices.
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again, i'm speaking -- i know thad has represented the state of mississippi well. he's a good guy. he will bring them back lots of money. all that stuff. those were the guys that drove us crazy in congress, because they spent money like democrats. at the same time, this other guy is -- >> this is what you live with at this point. as i said to nicole -- >> character issue. >> -- you know you've reached a whole new level of political crazy when you have the republican candidate going to democrats to help turn out the black vote for him. mcdaniels has gotten through so far. >> we'll see what happens from mississippi to new jersey, mika. >> oh, yeah. >> the investigation of chris christie. >> look at this video. this is last night. what a difference ten hours makes. chris christie. >> looking good. looking good. >> slow clap. slow clap. that's amazing. but he played nine innings, by the way. >> look at that.
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>> charity game at yankee stadium. >> dude, the lateral movement. he's going left, right. he's looking good on the field. >> excellent. >> but what's happening in office? >> waking up this morning to a story in "the new york times," chris christie is linked to a scandal for the second time in the "new york times." to pay for repairs to the polasky sky rail with money canceled to the rail tunnel. the skyway was owned by the state of new jersey and it should not be paid for by the port authority. the port authority eventually okayed the repairs, saying the skyway was an access road to the lincoln tunnel. the repairs were labeled lincoln tunnel access infrastructure improvements, even though the bridge not directly linked to
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the tunnel. if investigators find any wrongdoing, individuals could face felony charges for deceiving bond holders. civil action could be taken if any federal securities laws have been broken. >> so this is the top of the "new york times." >> front page. >> i'm trying to figure out if -- where that irs story. they put -- hold on a second. because now there was actually on the front page -- >> joe? >> an investigation was launched yesterday against the irs. >> it's funny that -- >> looking, ten, 11. >> the internal revenue service targeting individuals. >> 12, 13. >> private citizens and political groups that are against the administration will be on the front page. hold on. do you see it? anything. >> 17, 18. >> i'm sure "the new york times" would not let a story -- >> a-19.
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>> one of these stories is old news and one of these stories is new news. >> no, it happened yesterday. new enough to be on the television networks. >> we can talk about the new york post as well. >> can i have a "new york times" since he won't let go of it? thanks. >> is it possible that the washington post and "the new york times" are not putting on the front page of their newspapers the fact that an internal investigation has been launched against the irs on the most shady behavior and yet they -- >> it's on page a-19. >> pulaski sky bridge on a-1. >> skyway. >> whatever. this is garbage. >> look, look, examining a scandal within a scandal, page 19, q & a. >> a scandal within a scandal? no. it's just a scandal. >> that's it. >> it's just a scandal. there have been e-mails that
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have gone missing ten days after the chairman of the ways and means committee started asking for them. >> i'll get to it now. calm down. i do like this piece, growing number of women in mid life, their work is slipping away. >> irs member went after democrats and then there was an internal investigation launched, you would not have space on the front page to talk about women's issues. this really is a scam. this is why conservatives don't trust national newspapers. it's why they don't trust broadcast news. it's because you can go back -- there's a double standard and you can see it on every broadcast, newscast. you can see it on the front page of every major newspaper. this is a scam. and conservatives have -- this is why we don't trust the national news outlets, because
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they are so biased and slanted. it's not the news that they run, even though this is a joke of a story to put on the front page here. it's the stories they don't run. it's the omissions, the acts of omissions when democrats are in power. it's stunning. what else do we have in the news today? >> it's convoluted, this chris christie story. >> it's a joke. congressman darrell issa, the republican chairman accused him of lacking credibility. >> so when you knew in april that you said you were going to give us all of it, you said to mr. cummings and myself you would give us all, you went and told political appointees, the treasury, didn't you -- >> i did not. >> who did you tell in april when you knew? >> who did i tell? i didn't tell anybody. i was advised -- no one i was going to tell. >> you didn't tell your ig that some of the documents weren't going to be provided?
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or did you cause someone to find out at the white house at treasury or your ig? >> i did not. if you have any evidence of that, i would be happy to see it. >> i asked a question. >> and i answered it. >> you did not cause anybody fo find out? >> i absolutely did not. >> when you discovered that all e-mails would not be provided you did not come back and inform us, is that correct? >> all the e-mails we have will be provided. i did not tell you that i would provide you with e-mails that disappeared. if you have a magical way for me to do that, i would be happy to. some of them were not available. i never said i would provide you e-mails we didn't have. and, in fact, we are going to provide you 24,000 e-mails from the -- >> my time is expired and i've lost my patience with you. >> ed rendell, i can't believe -- talk about slippery. we're talking about this mississippi challenger. that irs commissioner, if he
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were in -- first of all, comment on what he said. secondly, if he were in your administration, what would you do? >> well, i would get rid of him. >> you would fire him? >> i love him. >> i would get rid of him. the answer is, look, if it did happen, tell somebody about it. don't let it be uncovered. they've blown the whole irs scandal. the president should have announced the irs problem himself. he should have gotten ahead of the story. he should have said we're going to do everything we can to find out what happened here. i think that would have been so much different in the eventual outcome of all of this. but people have to understand, if you do stuff like this, it's going to look worse than the original offense. >> and, mika, his answers were so convoluted. >> they were -- i think what's worse, given this situation and given the fact that it's the irs
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and given the fact it's a public hearing, which people are going to put on television and american viewers, who pay taxes, and have struggled to get it done every year, the tone was wrong. i'm sorry. the attitude was wrong. come on. massive screw up. and everyone is rather insulted by this, one way or another. whether it's the missing e-mails, where everybody would love to say i lost my e-mails. i lost my receipts. >> then they destroy the computer after the crash. nobody does that. >> it sounds actually like really clunky government stuff happened. >> no. it sounds like a cover up. >> cover up. >> steve ratner, this sounds like a cover up. >> is this a cover up? >> does it sound like a cover up? >> i don't think we honestly know -- >> you've lived a few years. >> it could be a cover up, it could be -- >> what does it look like to you? >> honestly, it could be anything from a cover up to incompetence. you're dealing with the
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government. they have these antequated systems. they have a policy of getting rid of them every six months. who knows what happened. >> nicole? >> if you're audited, you have to come out with not only all of your e-mail, every taxi cab receipt. >> for the past year. >> if this were any other government agency -- okay, maybe it could be excused as incompetence. let me tell you, outside of the liberal corridors of manhattan and d.c., this is scandal number one for the obama administration. >> what is the conspiracy theory? >> i'm happy to explain it. >> let her explain. >> the conspiracy theory is that the irs, not the dnc or even the obama white house, but the irs, which collects millions of dollars in taxes from every american, democrat, republican and otherwise, targeted tea party groups. >> i understand that part. >> let me finish. >> no, let her finish.
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come on. >> the scandal now asked with evidence as to how that could possibly have been the case, that the irs, who was supposed to serve everyone, i don't know, they're gone. i have a 2-year-old. first thing he said to me. i don't know. >> it's actually worse than that. trust me, we would all -- as we always would say in the southeast, we would all be buried in a federal penitentiary. >> if that was our excuse. >> under atlanta, georgia, if the irs sent me a letter and said we are going to audit you. >> right. >> and we need all of your e-mails. and ten days later, my computer crashed and i lost the e-mails and then, after that, instead of recovering the e-mails, like everybody else does, i destroyed the computer. now, trust me, if any of us did that, we would be thrown in jail. >> by the irs criminal division. >> by the irs. we all know that to be the case. >> right. >> we all know that to be the case. for the irs have a commissioner
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go on capitol hill and show that kind of air go ahead and answrr >> that's the part -- >> like how dare you audit us. he was lying. he he got caught lying. you can go through it. this is a pathetic display. ed rendell, why does the obama administration keep this guy in there? >> first of all, to steve's point, it may well have been incompetence, steve. that's a possibility. but when you don't disclose that something like this happened, when you get caught without disclosing it -- if he had disclosed it, at least it takes a little bit of the cover-up aspect of it away. it's really hard to make it a cover up if you deal with it. the head of the irs at the time was a bush appointee, no question about that. there's also no question that liberal groups were examined as well. but this looks terrible. this guy was incompetent. joe, you're right, he was
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arrogant. and nobody should be arrogant in the government. nobody. it's the public's right to know all this stuff. and you better have an explanation. and that's the approach you have to take. >> this smell friday the very beginning. lois lerner goes out and makes a fake get together to release this. and it has been sketchy from the start. still ahead, why some of the breakfast cereals your kids are eating may be harmful to their health. >> terrible. >> are you kidding me? >> i grew up eating cap'n crunch. >> crunch berries. >> with crunch berries. >> i don't eat any cereal. it's gross. >> it's all bad for them really. plus, senator claire mccaskill. >> never mind. >> what did you just say? >> i said look at me. there's nothing wrong with me. then i said never mind. >> exactly. >> first, here is bill karins. >> sugar cereal. >> all that. that's why you carry it right here. here is bill.
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>> wow! that wasn't nice at all. good morning, everyone. maybe put down your cereal. we'll talk about your forecast. a lot of rain out there. beneficial areas, like texas, south carolina. we're finally dry in few spots that need it, minnesota, south dakota, nebraska. you're the ones that have to deal with all the flooding. these are pictures yesterday from the mississippi river in minnesota. there's still damage being done. the water is not going up any higher. the mississippi river takes a while to lower. ever so slowly, some of these roads and bridges will open back up. you can see the barges on the right. that's where the edge of the river should be. here is what's happening in the east. all that great weather from the midatlantic to the east coast is gone. we're still watching beneficial rains in texas and northern portions of texas. rain this morning around st. louis is over. chicago, it looks like you are almost done. we'll watch this shifting east. indianapolis, cleveland,
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columbus, erie, up to buffalo. rain in your forecast today. we're dry from dc to raleigh to boston. most of the west coast is dry. temperatures are cooler and you had a great period of weather. now you're back in that showery type forecast f you're traveling, especially wednesday afternoon, evening from d.c., new york, thunderstorms are in the forecast. along with it, possible travel delays. leaving the shot of it's an art sculpture with flowers on it that's really large on the plaza at 30 rock. i have to figure out the name of that thing, maybe go check it out. you're watching "morning joe." you probably know xerox
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mika, we are chockful of news-making goodness this morning, iraq, what's going on there. >> yes. >> the border seizures, barack obama's poll numbers out. we need to talk about that. >> okay. >> we have a lot of stuff to talk about today. >> yes, we do. >> and we have my favorite segment of the day. >> what's that? >> where we talk about the newspapers. >> okay. >> from the boston globe, last month was the warmest may on record. don't tell us in the northeast, because we froze our asses off. with the majority of the world experiencing warmer than normal temperatures, shattering the record set four years ago. the weather was particularly hot in areas such as australia and spain. still the u.s. did not set the record, because we were cold. temperatures were only one degree higher compared to previous records but you ask me
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if there's global warming, my answer to you, i'm not a scientist, man. but, yes, there's global warming. and, yes, there's climate change. >> yes, there is. >> and, yes, 8 gazillion humans and carbon being pumped into the air has something to do with it. >> thank you, actually. an egyptian court has convicted three al jazeera journalists, up to ten years in prison, on terrorism related charges. it's a harsh decision after secretary of state john kerry visited cairo and told officials he wanted to see the men released. it's caused international backlash with many citing egypt's crackdown on freedom of the press. >> outrageous story. how do you arrest -- steve ratner, how do you arrest journalists in egypt, covering an uprising? one of these journalists, actually, saved a westerner
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during a riot. >> look, it's outrageous. i don't know what more -- >> wait a second. we brought you on here to defend the egyptian government. >> oh, i thought -- let me talk about president obama. i think he's actually doing a better job than you -- no, i'm kidding. >> really tough. >> no, that is a horrible story. >> horrible story. >> it's just like -- >> the best is steve can't decide which is worse, defending egypt or defending obama's poll numbers. >> i know. >> that's the worst sign for the white house. >> i can't defend his poll numbers. >> i was ready for you to go and then you were like, just kidding. >> on? >> you were ready to defend obama's poll numbers and then you stopped. >> south sudan yesterday finally released under international pressure this woman that had been arrested with a young child and had a death penalty actually for adultery. or for converting, actually, to
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christianity and not renouncing it. now you have this in egypt. the egyptian leaders are going to have to back down. they have no choice. they're going to have to back down. this is a black eye. >> they have no choice. "the washington post," honda, mazda and nissan recalling vehicles over air bag issues. they could potentially explode. no accidents have been reported related to monday's recalls. and the president of usa airwa airways, taking in over $190 million in revenue, also took in the most from reservation, cancellation change fees. half of those actually from me. united, us airways, american. i took a trip over to london
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like six months ago and i changed -- i had to change a flight for business reasons from like 6:00 to 9:30, something like that. the charge -- >> oh, my lord. >> -- was extraordinary. >> i remember this, i heard you explode in the newsroom. >> it was unbelievable. coming back, i get to the airport early and asked if i could get on a 9:00 flight instead of an 11:00 flight and they tried to charge me $2,000. >> that's crazy. >> i go, wait a second. you have open seats. you've got open seats. i'm here. i'm a million miler and you're going to charge me 2,000 bucks to get on an open seat? >> what airline? >> it's delta. they're usually nice. i'm talking about these change fees, though. >> honestly, i think they're the worst. >> they have treated me well lately. except these change fees are insanity. >> insanity. >> this is why, for almost the first time in history, airlines are actually making money.
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we've allowed so many mergers and there's so much less competition. why are they charging these fees? >> because they can. >> because they can. suing british airways -- >> i could talk about that for hours. >> man is suing british airways for $40,000 in damages after a booking error landed him in grenada, in the caribbean, instead of granada, spain. he made it explicitly clear to the travel agent he was looking to fly to spain. but wound up 4,000 miles away from his intended destination. he also says his electronic ticket did not have the airport code or destination on it. british airways apologized but refused to reimburse him. >> when did he figure out when he wasn't going to spain? when he looked down and there was iceland? >> it never crossed his mind during any of the preflight boarding or instructions?
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>> none of the instructions were in spanish or anything? i don't know. >> you should do this next story, joe. so my mom had a birthday. >> ah. >> on sunday, 92. >> happy birthday. >> i love you. she said the happiest day of her life was when i got old enough to pour my own cereal, because i always -- i always got up early. i was up at like 4:30, 4:45. mom, will you pour my cereal? i would have cap'n crunch, crunch berries. >> mom, will you pour my cereal? >> it would be like 4:30, 4:45 in the morning. >> that hasn't changed. >> i don't even know what -- >> you have your cheerios and -- okay. anyway -- >> anyway, so -- i don't believe this. my mom would not have let me have sugar smacks and all those other things, count chocula. >> i love sugar smacks.
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those are the best. >> i'm sure those were all good for you. a new report says young children may be ingesting unhealthy vitamins of a and zinc. calculated for adults. according to researchers, nutrition labels are outdated, misleading and food manufacturers use high levels to make their products appear more nutritious. ew. the amount of fortified cereal their kids eat. the sugar cereals. like deplete them off the face of the earth. >> you love them. >> i love them. >> they're great. >> they shouldn't be -- >> once in a while. >> but that's not how america eats them. sorry. but be nice. >> can i have a correction? i never had count chocula. it was cocoa krispies. >> mom, will you pour my cereal? started very young. >> the chocolate milk
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why would you cheapen your show by saying things like that? >> in an intent to engage viewers, i use flowery language. i use language that was very passionate but ended up not being helpful but incendiary. >> i don't get why you need to say this stuff because you know it's not true. >> wow, wow, that was democratic senator claire mccaskill last week grilling dr. mehmet oz last week on dietary supplements. >> kind of tough.
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>> ouch. >> senator, that's america's doctor you're yelling at there. >> dr. oz. >> it's doctor oz. what are you doing? >> you know, i did say nice things that he does on his program take complicated health topics and explain them to the american people. >> exactly. >> but science matter hees here the notion that he's calling anything a miracle pill that melts fat away and you take it and you'll be thin. >> there's a miracle pill that melts fat away? >> unfortunately not. that's the problem. >> did it to me again. >> can't believe what's out there on the store shelves. i'm glad you actually took on the issue. joe has another question. >> really quickly, news of the day. sort of our political -- >> cardinals won 8-0 over the rockies, 32-35. how do you feel about the cardinals? >> i'm a little worried. walker got hurt. i'm a little worried about our bats. we have had a complete, sporadic
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consistency in terms of runners on base and getting them home. so i'm worried about our offense. but, overall, wainwright is amazing. we still have an amazing pitching staff. you know what, joe? we will be there in november -- in october, rather, and i'll ask a question for you. where is boston right now? >> boston is just north of providence. >> yeah. >> i'm going to be there next week. >> it's a beautiful city. i'm looking forward to getting there. if the cardinals are winning the world series, i promise i'll e-mail you like i did during the middle of the chiefs game during the first half when it looked like they were going to advance. >> right. >> always had a soft spot for the chiefs. there's chaos breaking out in iraq. people in missouri, like people in america, i'm sure the polls show, they want us to get out of iraq. now they understand we need to do more. we had a poll this morning.
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people want us to use drone strikes. what do you hear from your voters in missouri about what they want us to do in iraq and what do you think we should do? >> i think everyone is upset. but here is the problem. it is really hard. everyone who is criticizing president obama, i have yesterday to hear them say a clear path forward for the united states in this regard. we've got to be careful in terms of, if we use air strikes, how we use them, where we use them. do we have the intelligence? at the end of the day, iraq's problem is iraq. sectarian differences. people need to remember that for years a very bad man who controlled the majority of that country that was shiite, he was sunni. when we took him out, the shiites, who had been subjugated for years -- this is an issue in
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the whole region now, the sectarian violence. one thing i know we can't do, and this is what george bush and dick cheney did. we can't go in there unless we know how to get out. that's the big thing we have to focus on. >> ronald reagan said it. colin powell said it, you never go in until you know what the triggering event is that will bring you out. that was obviously a terrible failure. you're exactly right. democrats love talking about 2003 to 2007 and how boneheaded republicans were. you have neo-cons that love to talk about 2007, the surge and 2011 and all the mistakes democrats made. the question is, what do we do moving forward and there's no good answers there. >> there's no good answers. >> no. so what about also we've been playing clips of this guy that is running the irs, not running it well. he seems really arrogant. i don't have to take a poll about the way people in missouri
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feel about him. shouldn't democrats be giving this guy the business as well as republicans? it's not like anybody is charging barack obama picked a list of groups to target. what do we do with an irs that can't be held the same standard that they try to hold you and me to? >> obviously, i think he is doing a terrible job communicating and, obviously, they made huge mistakes in terms of how they've retained records and whether or not they've been upfront about whether or not those records were available. keep in mind, joe, also the conspiracy that seems to being alleged here is that somehow this was being directed from the white house. so, if they have, in fact, looked at all of the e-mails in the administration end of this and those e-mails are there and they have been produced and they have been examined, then -- two people are in an e-mail. it's not just lernor e-mailing
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lernor. we have to continue to look at this and make sure there was not some kind of effort to put the thumb on the scale at the irs. >> right. >> because they were investigate ing liberal groups also. >> you know a thing or two about investigations. what if you sent a letter to somebody investigating -- that you thought were targeting democratic groups and ten days later, as happened in this case, after dave camp sent an e-mail to irs, suddenly e-mails were lost? that's outranlgs. >> it looks terrible. and it allows -- there have been a lot of hearings on this. honestly, it gives so much steam behind this as an issue. i get it. and it's awful. and this guy did a terrible job being arrogant yesterday. we all think of the irs as arrogant anyway. he kind of confirmed that. i get the point you're making.
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but you have to remember, there still has been no evidence that this was some kind of massive conspiracy. i think this was about political groups using not-for-profit status. frankly, none of them should be doing it. none of them. >> two other issues to get to. first of all, given some of the criticism that hillary clinton has received about talking about her financial situation, and i just read that bill richardson said he is not ready for hillary. you are ready for hillary? how do you think she's doing? >> i think there's good news and there's bad news. the good news is that she is the dominant candidate. everyone will coalesce around her candidacy. bad news is that that makes her the pinata that everyone wants to hit. they've made a lot of money. it's very american, making a lot of money. many of our modern day presidents have made a lot of money. so, i don't think she needs to be defensive about that.
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i think she needs to begin to emphasize, obviously, what everyone knows, and that is her policies are all about the middle class. her policies are about enabling families to have opportunities in america where they can, in fact, make a lot of money and live their dreams. it's her policies that matter here, not the personal attacks that seem to be the main course that happens when you get engaged in a big political presidential campaign. >> all right, nicolle wallace. >> and you're shining a spotlight on this epidemic, really, sexual assaults on college campuses. are you surprised this would be wo seem to be one of the rare issues in washington that would be universally supported and embraced across the partisan divide, but even this seems to have some political elements to it, some dissent among democrats and republicans? >> i am surprised. we had great success on
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reforming sexual assault problems within the military on a bipartisan basis. the armed services committee is traditionally very bipartisan. we tackled that problem with a bipartisan fervor. i think we can do it also with this issue. there's a little bit of dissidents on this. if we have republicans and democrats in the room working on this legislation, i know this, we're not getting anything done in washington if we don't have both democrats and republicans in the room. >> senator mccaskill, always good to see you. thank you very much. >> thank you. go, u.s.a. >> right here. a hint at the shape of the u.s. economy. plus, what could make yahoo! ceo marissa mayer leave this business meeting? i think i know.
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time tore business before the bell with cnbc's sara eisen. the really important one is at 10:00 am, new home sales report for the month of may. economists are looking for a rise of 1.6%, which isn't really much. but it would indicate that housing sales are bouncing back after what was a very rough winter. mortgage rates have come down a little bit. hopefully, new buyers will be coming to the market. it's been a bumpy recovery for the housing market. you were talking about marissa mayer. the report in the journal today she had a scheduled meeting -- scheduled private dinner arranged by the big advertising group to meet with some of her advertisers in cannes, france. she was reportedly two hours late because she was sleeping,
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according to the report. and this is getting a lot of criticism. yahoo! needs to turn around and court those advertisers. of course, you have to wonder whether she could have done more as she is trying to engineer a turnaround. >> i don't look at her oversleeping. she's exhausted. she works around the clock. she's a new mom, right? the question is, how many employees does yahoo! have? >> exactly and where were they? >> are you kidding me? >> when she wasn't at the meeting. why didn't they knock on the door? why didn't they wake her up? >> they should have woken her up. there were clients there, key advertising clients she needed to court. it was considered an opportunity for her to share her vision and what's going on at yahoo! >> what's that? >> bad staff kills you every time, every time. >> yeah. that is unacceptable. poor thing. cnbc's sara eisen, thank you so much. en... one child fail to get to the air sickness bag in time.
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parent/teacher conference, i remember the fear associated with that. i was always afraid i would go in and my kids weren't doing something as well as they should have and it was going to be my fault. every time i waited for the teacher to say if uh-oh stay home more your kids would be doing much better. >> i didd go in and meet with
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teachers, about eight of them. and they all said that it was me and my job. and that i just need to come home. when i was fired from cbs and i came home and i said i've got great news, mommy is going to be with you all the time now and they were like, what? and carlie was like really quiet, really quiet. and i had nowhere to go when the teacher called the next day and said carlie needs you. there's something going on here. it's great news. mommy's going to be with you. she's going to be with you more. this is not bad news. this is good news, right? and kids know everything, right? she looked right up at me with big, blue eyes, pools of tears and said, mommy, you can't leave cbs. you love it so much. >> that's nice. >> i know. >> that's such a wonderful story, because that shows that while we, some of us, are
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feeling guilty, kids know when we're happy. we do what we see not what we're told. >> she actually works here now, carlie. it was really nice and a good panel. we talked about a lot of things, the impact of careers on everything. >> how difficult was it in the bush white house, just any white house, in any white house? >> the bush white house was an alternate reality. condi rice ran the world, harriet miers -- you felt sorry for the men. but i hadn't had that experience in any subsequent professional setting. i realized how special that world was. frankly, laura bush was the most feared and powerful person in the george w. bush white house. >> oh, my goodness. >> did you talk about how to make that endure, whenever powerful women get together there's this kinship of being at a position of high power.
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cereal anymore. >> mommy, can you pour my cereal for me? >> i'm a big boy now. >> hey, we want to welcome back our good friend, lawrence. >> lawrence o'donnell. >> after a long, long recovery. >> too long. >> process. he had a really moving show last night on the last word. welcome back, lawrence. great to have you here. if it's way too early, mika, what time is it? >> it's time for "morning joe." now it's time for the daily rundown with chuck todd. have a great day. it's incumbent on you to vote. that's what thad cochran is hoping mississippi is thinking. and the same goes for lennox avenue, why charlie rangel is holding out hope. we'll talk to the under dog in oklahoma's senate republican race and dig in to how the governor's gun law flip flop is driving the
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