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agreed police cannot search the digital information on your cell phone during an arrest without a warrant. nbc news's justice correspondent pete williams is outside the supreme court. good day. >> good day to you. it's one of those days i'm sure you would have want to have been here yourself. >> that's exactly right. reading justice roberts today, extraordina extraordinary, unanimous opinion. he says in 1926, it's a totally different thing to search a man's pockets and use against him what they contain from ransacking his house from everything which may incriminate him. that's no longer true. a cell phone search exposes far more today. it also contains private information never found in a home. pete, walk us through what he and the court are saying there. >> well, that's an interesting passage you cite because when this case was argued, there was some head skrachg by the justices, which raised concerns that maybe they were not fully hip to what cell phones do. but any notion of that is
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completely gone by reading this opinion. for over 100 years, the courts have said that the police, when they arrest someone, can search that person. they can look in their pockets, billfolds, briefcases, open their wallets. today the supreme court said while that was true, cell phones are totally different. the police have to get a search warrant to search someone's cell phone when they make an arrest because the cell phone contains so much information. people can have all kinds of highly personal information. they can have apps on their phones that might show what political parties they're in or whether they're pregnant. you can look at their browsing history. are they looking for certain kinds of diseases on web m.d.? it's that kind of detail the court goes into that really changes the whole analysis of privacy. the court does say that there's going to be a cost to this. they say that oftentimes it would be useful for police to look at a cell phone to look for evidence if someone was selling drugs, for example. but the court says privacy comes a at a cost.
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>> pete, this is a 9-0 decision, as ari noted. it is rare these days to see everyone from scalia to sotomayor agreeing. what's your sense of how everybody got on the same page on this? >> well, you know, it certainly isn't by narrowing the decision. because this court could have said, yeah, you need a search warrant to search a fancy cell phone, but not a dumb old phone that just has a record of calls. they could have sliced it that way. they could have said, you need a search warrant in all by more serious cases. they didn't do that. now, what the court did say today is there may be exceptions here when the genuine emergency. the police need to look at the phone right now to see if somebody is about to set off a bomb or the location of some kidnapped child, for example. except for those emergencies, the court said, you need to be able to have a search warrant. now, justice alito did set himself apart a little bit, to say let's not go too fast here. if the congress or state legislatures can take a more sober look at this and come up with reasons why they think in some circumstances the police
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might need a search warrant, let's keep an open mind and be willing to revisit that. >> then the other big case, pete, that you've been reporting on all day, this aereo case. what did the court do there exactly, and how does this affect people who say, all right, i like watching all kinds of stuff online or on my mobile? >> okay. so aereo is this program that allows subscribers to watch broadcast over the air signals on their mobile devices or desk top computers or laptops. it charges a fee. what aereo said was it was engineered to conform to the law. what aereo says is when you signed in to get a program, it assigned you a specific little antenna on a board of thousands of them in the city where you live and that would dedicate itself to a little sector on a digital recorder that would be all yours for that program. therefore, it was a private performance. the supreme court said, no, what aereo is doing here is retransmitting public performances and therefore it violates the copyright law.
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now, aereo says today this is a chill for innovation, but the court said that it was being very careful here, that it was trying not to limit, for example, what kind of things can be in what's known as the cloud. one of the arguments the broadcasters make is most of the stuff people put in the cloud, they've already paid for. they've already gotten past the copyright issue. >> yeah, i actually wanted to ask about that very thing, about how narrow the impact of this ruling is. we're in a world where other people are likely going to try to do something very similar. was this very specific to aereo, or does it have broader implications? >> well, aereo says it has broader implications. the court says it was trying to make it very specific to aereo, to the retransmission of broadcast tv signals, period. that's all they intend this decision to cover. i've looked at aereo. it's really quite slick. it really works well. one option would be to continue to offer the service but raise the rates and charge the
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copyright fee. but aereo didn't seem to have much best is in that. it's no secret the backers of aereo really had their ultimate sights on how cable tv programs were sold, and they hoped this case would bust that wide open. it appears that's not going to be the case. >> pete, we've got a few more big additiodecisions we're expe over the next few days. perhaps the biggest among them is regarding hobby lobby and whether they can be mandated by the federal government to provide birth control coverage for their employees. against what they say is their religious beliefs. if you would, refresh for our audience what the tenor of the oral arguments looks like there and what we should be looking for there going forward. >> well, the argument here, the real issue here is whether a for-profit company, for-profit corporation can say it has religious views and therefore it shouldn't be forced to provide certain kinds of contraceptive coverage because in a couple of these cases, they're family held companies.
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they believe that would violate their religious beliefs and in essence amount to abortion. so the first question is, can a for-profit company even say it has religious beliefs? during the arguments, several of the justices say, if we said the answer to that is yes, then could a company say, well, we're not going to provide coverage for vaccines or blood transfusions or lots of other things. so that's one thing that the court was concerned about. again, you asked about oral argument. the court did seem to show some interest in perhaps a narrow ruling that said, okay, if it's a closely held company where it's just a family company and the family members are pretty unanimous in their religious views, then maybe it would apply. so as we wait for that decision, we'll see if it comes out that way. now, we know we're going to get decisions tomorrow and at least one other day. but we don't know what that second day would be. could be friday of this week, could be monday of next week. >> and pete, one of the other big cases, of course, is on recess appointments with basically a fight between the political branches where the court is sometimes careful. in your view from reporting on
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this, since so many presidents have used recess appointments, do you think there's any reticence by the court to want to look like it's singling out this president? >> you know, if there is, it wasn't evident during the oral argument. even some of the people you might expect to be allies of the president, more liberal justices for one of the better terms, seemed to say, you know what, this is kind of a political question. the senate really ought to be the judge of whether it's in session or not. that's the question here. the constitution gives the president a power to make appointments when the senate is in recess. so the first question is, what's a recess? the senate says when it basically comes in and pounds the gavel and rattles some chicken bones and says we're in session. whether all the senators are out of town or not. that's one question. the second question is a deeper one. can the president only fill vacancies that arise during a
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recession? judging from the oral argument, the court seems prepared to limit that presidential power. >> sotomayor was talking about why she's reading so many decisions from the bench. folks from her side are doing that. she said she feels it makes a big difference. in your experience, does that make a big difference, when folks read their dissents from the bench? >> well, it's a way of stating strong feelings. we didn't get any of those today. we may get one for hobby lobby. i suppose it's possible we'll get one for the recess appointments case, which will be important to historians and, you know, viewers of this program who care deeply about the american political system. the practical effect of that decision is somewhat dimmed by the congressional agreement they wouldn't filibuster judicial nominees. that kind of takes some of the sting out of it. but yeah, i mean, it's a way of dramatizing strong feelings. you know, for the next case it really doesn't matter. it's what's in the written opinion that counts. >> busy day at the court.
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# love that music. lots of wednesday morning quarterbacking today after another super tuesday in america. love that tuesday night football. thanks, guys. as we come on the air, votes are still being counted in harlem, that congressional race that's made headlines because 22-term
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congressman charlie rangel seemed endangered. rangel has declared victory. but his opponent won't concede victory until those absentee ballots are counted. that could take weeks. technically it's too close to call with about 900 of those ballots still outstanding. but the big race last night was the united states senate run-off down in mississippi where yet another career politician, thad cochran, knocked off tea party challenger chris mcdaniel. mcdaniel has still not gotten the memo that it's time to concede. >> before this race ends, we have to be absolutely certain that the republican primary was won by republican voters. there is something a bit unusual about a republican primary that's decided by liberal democrats. today the conservative movement took a backseat to liberal democrats in the state of
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mississippi. >> oh. the real irony here is that cochran battled back against the tea party in part with the support of black voters in a very red southern state despite reports of mcdaniel supporters thinking about blocking the vote. lots of talk about that. a funny thing happened on the way to chris mcdaniel's coronation. about 10,000 black people showed up and voted for thad cochran. and that backseat line was kind of a bit strange. let's motte kill hnot kill him because he was upset in that moment. but it's not a dog whistle if we can all hear it. but wasn't it ironic that this tea party coronation was blocked by black voters? >> i think the strange thing is mcdaniels thinking it doesn't matter, i guess, what the voters think in general across the
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board, that only tea party and ultra conservative primary voters matter. >> only real mississippians. >> right. only the true ones. every person in mississippi has a right to vote for their representation. at the end of the day, what's not strange is they supported somebody who believed that appropriations for a hurricane-ravaged mississippi and gulf coast was reasonable. thad cochran fought for appropriations to come down to help the people in his state when they were ravaged by hurricane katrina. mcdaniel said he wasn't sure how he felt about that. is it strange that they would come out and support him and kind of -- you know, when you think about what have you done for me lately? that's a perfect example. he was able to say to these voters, look what i've done for you. this guy is dangerous. mcdaniel is surprised by that. >> i could not agree more. and a couple things i've been wondering. one is if thad cochran having forged this sort of new coalition, if that will encourage him to vote in a more
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moderate way. and two, is this a strategy that other republicans threatened with tea party challengers will employ? because previously what we've seen is the old story the republican gets challenged by the tea party. they run as far to the right in the primary as they can. they may not make it. this is a totally new dynamic where cochran actually tried to move to the middle to pick up this new coalition and it worked. >> it did work. i think it depends on the state. i mean, of course as you know, there's some states where there's a closed primary so you have to cater to those republican voters. but in this situation, it really gave him an opening to get those democratic voters. and it remains to be seen exactly how cochran responds. he's been sort of a more pragmatic, moderate establishment type guy on the hill. i don't think you'll see a big change in his voting pattern up here. but what mcdaniel does going forward still remains a question. does he challenge this in court? there are a lot of his allies
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right now that don't seem to be willing to go along with a legal challenge. there's a lot of pessimism on the hill that he'll actually go forward with that. roger wicker, the mississippi senator, just told me that he heard through the grapevine that mcdaniel will not challenge this. so we'll see what happens. but right now it appears that cochran barely survived. and yes, because of those democratic voters. >> and because of that, there are a lot of frustrated conservatives this morning who are making the case that if you elect an establishment candidate, it's pretty much the same as electing a democrat. you had the founder of the tea party express tweeting out, the gop is done, saying if cochran wins this race, the gop is done, they teamed up with the dems to steal a race, kiss the base good-bye. i was actually watching "hannity" last night listening to sarah palin. here's some of what she had to say. >> if republicans are going to act like democrats, then what's the use in getting all gung-ho about getting more republicans
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in there? we need people who understand the beauty of the value of allowing the free market to thrive. otherwise, our country is going to continue to be overregulated, driving industry away, driving jobs away. we're going to be a brupts, fundamentally transformed country unless those who know what they're doing and aren't going along just to get along with those in power, being today the democrats, that does no good. so yeah, if republicans aren't going to stand strong on the planks in our platform, then it does no good to get all enthused about them anymore. >> we've heard this before from sarah palin, this idea that they're going to break off and form a third party. you know, hindsight is 20/20. i would say maybe that's what the tea party should have done from day one, start a third party. i say, you know what, if you're that disappointed with the republican party, go ahead and do it. take off your democratic vat gist hat for one moment and tell us, is this really the anger the heat of the moment, or could you see potentially a break-off from the party at some point? >> well, i think it's funny in the first place that sarah palin
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is talking about republicans as though they work well with democrats right now in the first place. i mean, that's ridiculous on its face. but, you know, i would have personally liked to have seen the tea party break off. i think what they've done for the republican party has been really detrimental. i think the big thing here that no one is really latching on to is earmarks and the effect of earmarks. they've been a part of own country's history since its beginning. where you have a case like eric cantor, who's the first majority leader we have seen since the earmark ban, had a very hard time making a case to his constituents to bring him back. then we have thad cochran, who was able to make that case, basically pointing to appropriations. so this kind of anti-government rhetoric and the no-no-no, shutting down the government, voting 54 times to defunds obamacare has kind of moves the republicans away from the fundamental job of government, which is to spend the taxpayer dollars in an appropriate manner. >> i mean, it's not mccochran, but i know he's mclovin these
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results. what i want to get your thoughts on there, manu, is it looks like from what we can see, charlie rangel will be heading back. one of the most senior members often called the dean of the congressional black caucus. when you look at his numbers here in harlem and expanding district, they don't look very good politically. he had 47% there, which was slightly better than espaillat. what that basically means is yesterday the majority of people in charlie rangel's district voted for someone else. your thoughts on that dynamic, even as he looks to be heading back to washington for what he says will be his final term. >> and i think it's going to be his final term because he probably will not get re-elected again if he runs. he keeps surviving these scares. but it looks like his voters want him out. there are reports of younger voters moving in, people who have not experienced charlie rangel during his heyday.
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now they see him tarnished by these ethics controversies that swirl around him. but what is interesting here is how he survived in a time when congress is becoming a much more younger and younger institution. a lot of folks in their 40s, 50s, even some folks in their 30s starting to replace the 70 and 80-year-olds. rangel seems to be one of the last of the few folks in that class, the people who were with john dingell, with henry waxman, the old democrats and republicans who are here on the hill who seem to be departing. rangel seems to be on his way out. not this congress, not next congress, but probably the one after. >> manu raju, thank you. >> thank you. >> erica, thank you. up next, the bite seen round the world. my son said, can you do that? i said, no. and a preview of the u.s. versus germany, which happens tomorrow at noon eastern. we're going to talk to jordan schultz, and i bet a lot of americans are feeling a little sick, wanting to call into work.
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we are back now in the news cycle with new pleas for the release of a u.s. contractor who's serving a 15-year prison sentence in cuba. he was convicted of attempting to undermine the cuban government by trying to bring internet access into the country. his wife judy believes she's seeing her husband in the worst state since the ordeal began. she spoke exclusively this afternoon from hah van that. i'm very worried about his emotional health, and he has said that he's going to do something drastic. seeing him yesterday makes me believe that hopefully not, but that it might be true. >> judy is now calling on the white house to step in and bring allen home. she says if the obama
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administration can negotiate to release five gitmo prisoners, certainly they can bring her husband home. hollywood has lost one of its brightest stars. eli wallach was a master of stage and screen, a tony and oscar-winning actor known for his roles in classic westerns like "the magnificent seven" and his appearance in "the godfather iii iii." he was 98 years young. >> and the fight for marriage equality in my home state of utah moved one step closer to the supreme court today. states must allow gay couples to marry, striking down the state's ban. also today, a federal judge in indiana struck down that state's ban on same-sex marriage. you might want to think twice before heading to the beach this weekend, folks. the natural resources defense council's annual report found 10% of america's beaches fail the federal benchmark for safe swimming water. rain run-off, sewerage overflow, those kind of things are to blame. the epa estimates 3.5 million
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people actually get sick just from going to the beach every year. >> what? >> one solution, stay home and watch some soccer. >> yeah! >> nice. because in less than 24 hours, the united states' world cup fate will be decided after we take on germany. if we win or tie, we automatically head into the next round. but if we lose, we're going to need portugal or ghana, probably both of them, to help us out. they also play each other tomorrow at noon, so that should be a fun game of hot potato. but light now everyone is talking about the bite seen around the world. maybe it was the heat of the moment, or maybe uruguay's luis suarez is part-time vampire. he has already received nearly a 20-game ban for two previous biting incidents. fifa is now investigating the situation. my guess is it will not end well. joining us now is a man always willing to sink his teeth into the latest sports news, friend of the show, jordan schultz, sports columnist at "the huffington post." i hate the introduction.
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i want to get right to your reaction. what's going to happen to this guy? >> we were talking about it before we went on air. the more and more i think about it, i actually would be surprised if he's not suspended. fifa has a way of navigating around these issues. we've seen it time and time again, but this is too big and too blatant. it's the first time that he's done it for uruguay, his actual national team, but he's done it in the epl. it's embarrassing. he's -- >> the english premiership. spell it out for the folks. >> he's one of the most decorated players in the world. he's had a great world cup. uruguay was a sleeper team, and it's because of suarez. >> so you think he's done? >> i'm not sure yet because they haven't quite -- they're going to play their knockout game in a few days. it's a quick turnaround for fifa. i wouldn't be surprised. i would lean towards a suspension. either way, i can't imagine him playing further into the world cup. >> i can't imagine how you keep doing and let this guy play after biting somebody. >> repeat incidents. >> but let's talk about what's really on the american mind.
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tomorrow at noon, america plays germany. talk about what america has got to do to get through this game, and don't just say score more goals than germany. >> i think the strategy you're hearing is america should sit back and play soft. if you play not to lose, you are going to lose. what has made them so good against ghana and portugal, they've continued to attack, especially against portugal. they were able to keep possession. that, to me s the big key. obviously health concerns. germany is a well-oiled machine. they play very aggressive soccer. u.s. needs to come right back at them. >> and the game against portugal was the most-watched u.s. soccer game ever. incredible. what is it that people love so much about this team that they're getting so excited about? >> it's a great question. it's a camaraderie. they're very gritty. they don't have super stars. america likes that. these are guys that a lot of guys -- >> well, cristiano renaldo. >> well, america was overlooked.
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they have been overlooked time and time again. what's crazy, the portugal game outdrew the nba finals and the world series. >> wow. >> but the only way we continue that momentum, krystal, we've got to keep winning and get through the to the knockout round. >> winning is key in these kind of contests. >> yes. >> you mention winning. brazil now getting out of the group stage. they've done that 11 times in a row. that's the best consecutive streak except for germany. what do you attribute that to? >> i think brazil, you know, they're the ones -- they play the beautiful game. they play an incredible style only they can play. their ability to keep possession. but i think this is actually a slightly flawed brazil team. their best player has been lights out but they've struggled. i think germany -- i know u.s. fans don't want to hear this. i think germany is the most balanced team in the world cup. >> why don't they want to hear that? >> because we have to play germany. >> ari, in case you weren't listening, they play tomorrow. >> brazil is the best team in the tournament. >> i'm going to tell you something, ari. it's a great point.
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those have been the two most consistent nations. brazil has so much pressure on itself to win the world cup because they are at home. it's a world cup win or bust. it's always like that, especially when you're hosting. >> it's always like that for them. >> even more so when you're hosting. >> i'm an optimist. i'm going to say we're going to win tomorrow, at least get through to the next round. how difficult is the next round going to be? >> immensely difficult. most likely -- if they win, they could get potentially lucky and play algeria, who's a little bit of a soccer slide. they beat them four years ago. if they lose or tie and get through, most likely we'll play belgium, who has one of the most talented young teams in the world cup, a team that some people thought was four years away, and they played great soccer throughout the first couple games. so most likely belgium. either way, it's going to be difficult. >> also tremendously high-quality chocolate. >> yes. >> i would hope that some day we could produce one of the world's great players who would play beautifully and sit up there on that level with messi and
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renaldo. but other nations have camps they have the kids in. they stay together for years. then other nations, the best athletes all go into soccer. our best athletes go into a number of sports, soccer being fifth or six choice for a lot of guys. can we ever create one guy who's that superstar guy on a global level? >> i've asked that time and time again. i think that's what america needs to elevate itself into the global soccer conversation. not just every four years but on an annual basis. i'm going to say no until they get more camps. now, ef the img academy in florida. that's helped. it's very difficult because we don't have the infrastructure. >> we don't do that in any sports. gymnastics in asia, tennis in europe. we're not doing it for anything. >> until we get our best athletes to buy in and play soccer, which has never been the case, then it's going to be very difficult. but i think we will see the u.s. win a world cup in our lifetime. i really believe that. >> oh, stop it. stop it, jordan.
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stop it. >> i'm an optimist. >> stop it, stop it. >> we're not going to see america win a world cup in our lifetime. stop it, jordan. >> of course, in that victory, winning would be the key, for ari's sake. >> absolutely. >> and score more goals than the other taeps. >> you know what happens on "the cyc cycle"? it all comes full circle. >> i want to remind ari and our viewers the game is tomorrow at noo noon. up next, on a more serious note, u.s. special forces are beginning to arrive in baghdad to advise iraqi forces. but could an enemy's forces already on the ground hold the key? stick with us. [ female announcer ] it's simple physics...
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minister maliki if needed. iran's supreme leader says the u.s. should stay out of it. our next guest, however, says cooperation between the u.s. and iran is of critical importance. a former ambassador for iran, worked in iran's foreign ministry, advised iran's powerful national security council, and worked alongside iran's new president hasan rouhani. welcome to you. >> thank you. >> let's start with this idea that a collaboration of some kind between the u.s. and iran would serve mutual interests in iraq. >> certainly iran and the u.s., they have common interests and common threats in iraq.
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the rise of the new version of very dangerous terrorism from syria and iraq spilling over to the whole region is a threat to iran and the u.s. both. the breakout of civil law from syria from iraq and later perhaps to jordan, lebanon, and even persian countries is a matter of concern, a threat for both iran and the u.s. it is about more than a decade that the iran and the u.s. are supporting the same government and the collapse of the government, the collapse of the state, the collapse of the iraqi nation is not what iran and the u.s. are seeking. however, i believe neither iran can imagine the iraq crisis nor the u.s. and even if tehran and washington go for comprehensive
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cooperation, i believe they would not be able to manage the crisis because it's so wide and deep. that's why i believe we would need a trilateral cooperation between iran, saudi arabia, and the u.s. then we would need another regional power, turkey, and another international power, russia, to join in order to create a regional, international mechanism to combat terrorism in whole regions. this is not only iraq. this is afghanistan. this is syria and the other countries also. >> and it's hard for many people to acknowledge and to accept the fact that we need at least some sort of a relationship with iran to fight terrorism. there's obviously a huge mistrust that still exists. you talk about the misconceptions that iran has with the united states. what are these misconceptions, and how important is it that we
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start to change some of those? >> there is a great amount of misunderstanding, misperception, mistrust, miscalculation between iran and the u.s. iranians and americans, they have been experiencing for over three decades one of the most dysfunctional relations during the modern history. however, as kissinger said once, you can rarely find two countries like iran and the u.s. with common interests. and this is a famous sentence from henry kissinger and he's right. fighting drug trafficking, stability in afghanistan, stability in iraq, preserving the state system in the middle east, fighting -- preventing sectarian war and this version of terrorism. these are among many other
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common interest issues between iran and the u.s. unfortunately, tehran and washington have never been able to sit together to have dialogue and cooperation on the commonalities. they have been fighting each other for over 30 years on disputes. >> right. and well, the roots, at least some of the roots of that mistrust, was u.s. involvement through the cia in a coup. the single most pivotal event in shaping iran-u.s. relations for decades to come. how much does that event still hang over u.s.-iranian relations? >> you mentioned one of the most important reasons of iranian mistrust, but i should say a quarter century support of the u.s. for a dictator shah in iran is the second. the u.s. support for saddam
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hussein, third. and the latest is orchestrating the most comprehensive unilateral, multilateral sanctions against iran. we have had covert war, intelligence war, economic war, political war. however, americans also have their own grievances from hostage taking after the revolution. 52 americans for 440 days. and undermining the u.s. interests in the region and a lot of other issues which i have discussed in my book. i believe the two countries, they have to recognize the grievances. they should be ready to start a comprehensive, sincere cooperation on the commonalities in order to create confidence. at the same time, they need to discuss the differences and to find some principles to resolve
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the differences. at the end, they should be ready for forgiveness because we cannot live forever in the past. >> that's right. >> ambassador, thank you very much for joining us today. >> thank you very much. don't go too far away. krystal has more questions for you in this week's episode of krystal continued. all of you can catch it on the website later this evening. thecycle.msnbc.com. look at that graphic. krystal in lights right there. up next, an update on the ukraine crisis. you remember that. and a look at a fascinating hbo documentary that's focused on one of russia's other neighbors, an unlikely group of rebels. stay with us.
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"dangerous acts" starring the unstable elements of belarus and focuses on an underground theater and its performers. here's a sneak peek. >> when i got arrested for the first time, it was during the street tile of the disappearances in belarus. i was one of the organizers together with my husband. four big guys put me in a car. they said, you will be raped before you will be killed, and everything that nazis did during the world war ii, it would be just a dream for you. >> wow. the filmmaker joins us here at the table. madeline, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> and to start with, just talk to us about just the difficulty of even making this film. i understand you had to smuggle the tapes out of the country. >> yeah, that's right. so belarus is often referred to as the last dictatorship in
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europe. so making this film was incredibly difficult. in fact, we made it almost entirely remotely over skype. so i don't know if it's a film or story we would have been able to tell even ten years ago. we worked with a really fearless group of underground cinemaing toer ifs and journalists who helped us smuggle the footage over the border to safer countries. >> let's talk about this theater group you are profiling. how does it change their performance when they know that performing could get them jailed or killed? >> what's interesting about this, a lot of the stories they're telling are actually just autobigraphic call. they're just telling stories about themselves, about their lives, family members who have died, difficulties with addiction and drug abuse. but even these are topics that are censored by the government. so for them, you know, they just feel that being honest about what life is like in their country and sharing those stories to their countrymen but also to the rest of the world is incredibly important. >> let's take a look at another clip from the film.
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you track down some of the police presence that people have to deal with and one of the arguments here seems to be that this kind of dissent, artistic than overtly political is difficult in a different way? >> in belarus all of the media is sensored, no conversations like these, not even in the theater, the ministry of culture will censor even plays and that lack of free speech makes any type of alternative viewpoint, including what we would consider a small theater group like this incredibly powerful. >> the theater has been raided
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several times and clearly the government is not ready this sort of stuff is going on. what is stopping them from shutting it down all together? >> actually even since we finished this film, they've lost that small performance base you see them performing in. the oppression continues and half of the group is in exile. they are constantly walking this gray area of trying to stay under the radar but to keep doing their work, which i think is why international support is so important for groups like these. >> do you think this film will make life a little harder for those folks at home? >> i don't think so. what we're finding is that in some ways it's sort of a contradiction, but the more attention that they get and the more international awareness that we can build for them, the safer they are because the government has to go to that much greater length to shut them down. of course, you never know when you're going to cross that line. we profile one of the presidential candidates in the film, who's now in exile but was in prison for over a year. two weeks before the election, one of his campaign staff was
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found hung. you can absolutely cross these lines. you don't ever know. and the parents of families that we follow in the film find bugs in their house and here the click go on when they call loved ones. we knew we were being watched. which was why we went to such great lengths to keep the project secret until now, it's finally coming out on hbo in july. >> how much of an organized protest movement is there in belarus? are these folks sort of outliars or is there a broader network of underground activists there? >> there's a quite large opposition movement and next presidential election will be in september of next year. they don't announce it far in advance, one of the ways they keep the opposition underground and on its toes. you see in the film, what you're seeing now is from the night of the election at the end of 2010 and over 50,000 people did come to the square and protest, which was covered by the news at the time but quickly overshadowed by what was happening soon after in
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egypt. what we're trying to do is keep attention on the region so that we can continue building support for this country that you never really hear about. >> such an important story. may not have been able to have been told ten years ago. thank you so much for helping us understand it. >> thanks so much. >> up next, ari's angle on what it means for your rights. that's been called the benchmark of its class. really, guys, i thought... it also has more rear legroom than other midsize sedans. and the volkswagen passat has a lower starting price than... much better. vo: hurry in and lease the 2014 passat s for $199 a month. visit vwdealer.com today. rejoice for you have entered the promised land of accomodation booking.com
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killings. before now as you may remember it leaked selective information to defend the program then contradicted itself by arguing it couldn't even confirm if the program existed when it was challenged in court. that was a ridiculous move to promote drones in public while denying their existence. af been arguing that for years along with other observers. the president's lawyer still say the entire drone program is a state secret. and that it may not even exist. >> policy seems to be that yes, we will fry people anywhere in the world with our flying killer robots because someone we know wrote it down on a piece of paper. >> that is right, president obama is our country's all-time leader in outside battlefield sky killing. or bsk for those of you -- like barry bombs. a federal appeals court found
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this ridiculous as well. led the administration to release this memo rather than appeal further and now we have it. here is what it says. it claims wide authority for the president to kill far off the battlefield, it can kill suspected terrorists in countries where we're at war and in countries where congress has never declared war. second, it bases this power on the 9/11 authorization arguing any targets who fit the enemies name there are fair game. what does that mean? if the u.s. thinks you are working with al qaeda and are an imminent threat, you lose your right to trial or due processor providing evidence to defend yourself. the government can just kill you as it did with aweulaqi. nonamericans have more rights than americans. aulaqi was killed without detention or trial. but last week the benghazi
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suspect, khattala was arrested and shipped to the u.s. he gets a day in court. the drone memo we now finally have is the reason for that. one suspected terrorist was linked to al qaeda. the other was not. finally now that we can see this memo, we can see how our cia and doj are struggling with all lines that may not fit our shifting battle with terrorists today. that's partly congress's fault for the attack ads about benghazi and terrorism and everything else, congress hasn't done the hard work of revising the 9/11 authorization. i think it needs a better definition of our enemies, a real definition of i am nens for the targeted killings and stronger limits on where we want the battlefield to be if we don't want it to be everywhere. those are just a few things. we know there's a lot of killing in our fight with al qaeda. much of it justified. whether all of it is currently targeted killing is a very real question that we have to face.
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that does it for "the cycle." "now" with alex wagner starts now. >> bitter party of one. it is wednesday, june 25th and this is "now". >> surprise in mississippi. ♪ >> the incumbents strike back. >> mississippi senator thad cochran fends off his tea party challenger. >> shocking result. >> cochran largely has democrats to thank. >> daniel still refuses to concede. >> there is something unusual about a republican primary decided by liberal democrats. >> he sounded like a horrible sore loser. >> conservative activists are frustrated. >> it's really hard to overstate the anger that mcdaniel headquarters. >> what he did was expand the electorate. >> he got black voters. >> and cochran win is the m