rulings. ♪ ♪ the supreme court throws a lifeline to republicans on capitol hill. >> the justices handed down two major decisions. >> restricting president obama recess appointings. >> it represents a clear, clear rebuke to the president's brazen power grab. >> i've never seen the level of obstruction of speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell. >> he'll be following a lawsuit against what he calls the president's overreach. >> a massachusetts law requiring protesters to stay at least 35 feet from the entrances to abortion clinics is unconstitutional. >> it's simply too blunt an instrument to paint a line on the sidewalk. >> massachusetts had argued all along and people were having trouble accessing the clinic safely. >> women were seeking treatment

or seeking an abortion. >> not all anti-abortion protests are kind. a 35-foot buffer zone outside abortion clinics, one designed to protect women from violence and intimidation was struck down today by the supreme court. in the unanimous decision all nine justices ruled that a massachusetts law requiring anti-abortion protesters to stay 35 feet away from a clinic entrance was a violation of the first amendment. to give you a visual understanding of what was being debated. this is what the court argued was a violation of the right to free speech. that yellow line and the building, a space that is roughly the width of two parking spots. a space that takes the the average person about seven seconds to cross, a space that's one quarter the size of polling places throughout the country and one that is one-third the size of the buffer zone that surrounds the supreme court. buffer zone, protecting the the

justices are okay, but buffer zones protecting women seek abortions, those, quote, burdened substantially more speech than necessary to achieve the commonwealth's asserted interests according to the opinion written by chief justice john roberts. the court argued that this space restricts protesters' free speech and restricts access to sidewalks and other public spaces. but there is a reason these buffer zones exist in the first place. buffer zones were a response to over 4700 incidents of clinic violence and over 150 clinic blockades, ones that have occurred since 1995. buffer zones were a response to the eight murders and 17 attempted murders, the 42 bombings and the 181 arson cases that have targeted women seeking abortions and men and women who have provided them since 1977. in the state of massachusetts buffer zones were in response to incidents like this one.

>> reporter: eyewitnesses say he arriv arrived, dressed in black and pulled out a.22 caliber rifle and as they tried to flee opened fire. the gunman shot four people before escaping here. one woman, a clinic worker, died at the scene. but the terror wasn't over. just ten minutes later a similar attack at a clinic blocks away by a gunman also dressed in black. >> he drops the duffel bag and pulls out a rifle and i was stunned when i saw the rifle before he hit -- he shoots the girl i'm talking to. she falls. >> reporter: three people were injured at the second clinic including one woman who died at the hospital. >> the supreme court ruling today leaves it it up to the states to pass laws to ensure the safety of women entering these clinic, but buffer zones according to a lawyer for planned parenthood are now, quote, an endangered species. to look at the legal calculous behind this decision let's go to nbc correspondent pete williams.

pete, can you give us a sense of the unanimity in this decision, the one that we had yesterday seemed like a surprise. were you surprised all nine justices were in agreement on this? >> i guess, yes, in terms of how the court aligned and how they decided to decide this case although it did seem from the argument that even some of the court's more liberal justices who generally support abortion rights thought this was too much. as the court -- as this case came to the court it was framed not about violent protest s although that's not one of the motives they had for passing the law. the challengers were a group of women who wanted to simply talk to patients as they entered the clinic and what they said is if they have to stand 35 feet away they have to kind of yell at them and then that spoils the ability to have a one-on-one conversation it's that logic that the supreme court used to strike down the the buffer law in massachusetts. what the court said is it's a public sidewalk where the

protection for free speech is really at its height. the supreme court says at one point in the decision the public sidewalk is one place where you can speak and know you're not preaching to the choir and that ability to walk up to people and engage them in conversation they say is so important that it dooms the 35-foot buffer zone in massachusetts. it probably also casts a serious doubt on other fixed buffer zones that are in some cities. san francisco, santa barbara, pittsburgh, burlington, vermont, portland, maine, they all have fixed buffer zones. it also, though, i think casts a cloud over solutions that other states have used. for example, some states have what they call bubble zones which move with the patient. it's a sort of no approach zone around each patient that approaches the clinic. the court says nothing about that today. so presumably, its erle willier ruling upholding those is still good, but if you have to be able to approach someone on the sidewalk to satisfy the first

amendment, i suppose it could cast something of a cloud over those, but the court could have gone much further and three of the court's members, more conservative members justices scalia, kennedy and thomas thought the court should have gone further and said that the problem with the massachusetts law was that it permitted one kind of speech, but not anti-abortion speech and they said the court recently seems to have two version of the first amendment and one for everybody and then a separate one for people who oppose abortion. >> nbc's pete williams, thank you, as always, for the analysis. >> you bet. >> joining me now is the president of planned parenthood for america and the physician for reproductive health and associate professor at the yale school of medicine dr. nancy stanwood. es is eel, let me start with you. there are various interpretations of this. as pete williams points out, it could have been a broader ruling and certainly the notion from planned parenthood's legal analysis that buffer zones are

an endangered species would not seem to be good news for women seeking safe and legal abortions. >> you're absolutely right, alex. >> this is an incredibly disappointing decision from the court, and i think shows, frankly, just how out of step and out of touch the supreme court is about what women face just to access health care, particularly at both planned parenthood health centers and other women's health centers and as you said when you opened it's sort of extraordinary that this court is not willing to afford women the same protection that they have themselves having a buffer zone that's three times that of what we have in massachusetts. >> nancy, i want to ask you, as someone who works in these clinics and knows what it is like for women who are seeking -- who are making a very difficult choice and seeking a very difficult procedure, the plaintiff in this case, we're not necessarily the most strident or violent folks that have ever approached an abortion clinic or someone who is seeking

an abortion at a clinic, but when one makes laws one must take into account what kind of characters. we know the history of violence surrounding this. what kind of folks have you seen and in terms of characterizing the interactions that happen between patients and advocates or activists outside clinics. how would you describe them? >> these buffer zones have been designed for public safety and it's deeply disappointing and disconcerting that the supreme court justices didn't recognize the value of them. they're supported by law enforcement officers who have seen firsthand, the violence and harassment and intimidation that happens around healthcare centers. i think it's important to imagine that you're coming in from health care of any kind and maybe you're coming in for a procedure and you're a little nervous and what it would be to have someone come up in your face and start will whying at you. that's intimidation and violent

and that's what our patients deserve. our patients deserve to be able to seek healthcare in a safe and compassionate environment and it's really disappointing that the buffer zones in massachusetts in particular will no longer be able to give that protection to women. >> cecile, elena kagan was one of the of the questioned that buffer zone with the scalias and thomases of the court. >> we were disappointed in this decision. given the way the decision was written, there are options and we're certainly working both with law enforcement that has been a strong ally and supporter of both the buffer zone there and also making sure that we protect patients, working with city officials as well as legislators about making sure that we are doing everything we can to, as the doctor said, make sure that women are able to access health care without harassment, and i will say it's been pretty amazing to see the

response today. we've had more than a hundred folks already in massachusetts who have offered to get trained as clinic escorts to make sure that we are protecting and preserving women's right and the access to health care. >> nancy, it feels like abortion is increasingly becoming a red state-blue state procedure. in red states it's very hard and you have to travel great distances and in blue distances it's easier. again with the buffer zones do we see a similar split in red states having smaller buffer zones or no buffer zones whatsoever and blue stateses being more cognizant of the patient in all of this? >> well, what i see from my patients is that they need to be able to access safe care and that really, i respect those who disagree with me about this, but i really also feel strongly that my patients deserve respect and deserve to be able to access the care they need and not full ever threat, violence and

intimidation. >> cecile, do you see this becoming -- this sort of safety zone available in certain parts of the country and not in others? >> look, the barriers for women to access reproductive health care are growing because of the enormous number of laws that are being passed in certain states, but i do think there is a real opportunity here to create safe space for women and that's certainly what we're committed to do at planned parenthood, but unfortunately, yes. we are seeing what happens when politicians intervene in the most personal, private medical digzs that women and their families make and i think this is the result. >> cecile richards and dr. nancy stanwood, thank you for your time. >> thanks, alex. after the break, before the gavel was put down between women seek safe and legal abortions the supreme court voted in favor of curbing the president's powers. what it means next on "now." spokesperson: the volkswagen passat is heads above the competition,

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women seeking safe and legal abortions weren't the only ones losing at the supreme court today. in another shocking and unanimous decision the court struck down three of president obama's picks for the national labor relations board. a decision that threatens both the president's ability to appoint and workers' rights to organize. in january of 2012 president obama appointed three members to seats on the the board of the relatively small federal agency the mlrb. the rationale was outlined in the constitution. the president shall have power to fill up all vacancies that

hay happen during the recess of the senate, but that pre-condition issue, the recess of the senate is something the white house and -- surprise, republicans saw very, very differently. even though the senate was on break that january, republicans insisted on holding what are called pro-forma sessions, meaning, a single senator usually from maryland or virginia, some place close to washington, a senator essentially pretended the senate was in session for about 30 seconds and then the senate would recess for three days before another 30-second session. republicans insisted that the senate was in session. the white house insisted it was on recess. the court's ruling today means that essentially those faky 30-second pro forma exercises are enough to block any appointment by the president of the united states which is a big deal. also a big deal, that little agency the national labor relations board is in charge of enforcing almost every dispute between workers and their employers in this country.

in november the nlrb found that walmart had illegally harassed and fired employees who protested the company's low pay and abuse of labor practices. in april it allowed college athletes to form unions and if those three seats hadn't been filled the board would have been powerless to act. for now those decisions stand, but as ian will millhouser writes, if republicans control the senate they will be able to block anyone obama nominates to any senate-confirmed job and obama will be powerless to do anything about it. and if an anti-union president controls the white house they will be able to effectively invalidate labor protections that have existed since the franklin roosevelt administration. coming up, the pitch forks are out and the torches aflame. michael scherer and howard feinman join me to discuss boehner's new lawsuit and the gop's march toward impeachment. that's next. it doesn't operate out of basements or back alleys.

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not content to drag their heels in the halls of congress, house republicans now plan to drag the president to court. house speaker john boehner announced his plan for legislation next month authorizing the house sue president obama for his use of executive actions. and today his decision by the supreme court limiting the president's recess appointment authority has only whetted republican lawmakers appetite for if not destruction, then at least a dramatic erosion of presidential power. speaker boehner fired off this statement. this ruling is a victory for the constitution and against president obama's aggressive overreach. on the senate floor, minority leader mitch mcconnell not only agreed, he tried to claim credit. >> it represents a clear, clear

rebuke to the president's brazen power grab, a power grab i was proud to lead the effort against. >> in case anyone forgot, senator mcconnell is facing a tough reelection fight this year, and yet it is unclear exactly what john boehner is going to sue the president over. >> when i make that decision i'll let you know. >> the the speaker did reveal that it generally has something to do with some laws somehow not being upheld in some unspecified way. >> i believe the president is not faithfully executing the laws of our country and on behalf of the institution and our constitution, standing up and fighting for this is in the best long-term interest of the congress. >> the best long-term interest of the congress. that remains to be seen, but suing the president according to boehner's logic would seem to be in the short term interest of the republican party. as brian boitler writes, it is

goal is simultaneous enough to have obligation, calm, conservatives keep the days energized and serve as a relevel raffle for the building pressure to draw up articles of impeachment. yes, i just said articles of impeachment. joining me now is huffington post political director howard feinman and times' michael scherer. let me start with you here. john boehner says this isn't about impeachment, but is this about impeachment? >> oh, it's about -- it's about the entire republican conservative narrative of portraying the president as somehow out of bounds from the beginning. as somehow a force loose on the american landscape that only the constitutionists and the republican party can handle and some sort of mysterious other who is invoking powers beyond the constitution. this fits into their narrative, sure, down the road, talk of impeachment will be part of it.

impeachment is already rife in conservative media whether it's the national review or rush limbaugh in the radio. >> or michele bachmann yesterday. >> or fox news, and it's the narrative that began from the moment he was elected and from the day he was sworn in, a rejection of les his legitimacy by much of the republican base and everything they've done since has been consistent with that, blocking nominations, refusing to take votes, refusing to legislate and a sitdown strike against the president by republicans. they say it's a matter of philosophy. it's largely a matter of political peak and strategy. >> michael, do you think the high court decision today deeming one of the president's actions unconstitutional, how much does that hurt the white house at this point. they seem to have given up on

congressional republicans, but this is a supreme court decision handed down unanimously. >> it may hurt them at the mlrb, but most of the recess appointment issues because the senate changed the filibuster rule so there isn't the same backlog there used to be in getting these positions confirmed. the issue, you have to remember it goes back decades. they've done lots of recess appointments and obama's recess appointments have been fewer than george w. bush's, for instance, at this point in his tenure, and i think the issue that the court took on was, you know, whether the senate can preempt recess appointments. they didn't say the president can't do recess appointments and they can say that the president will be able to do what he did in the past was gavel in these phony sessions to prevent a recess appointment. i think it is different, though, than the boehner lawsuit. the boehner lawsuit is sort of out on a string here legally.

the courts really don't like getting in the way of fights between congress and the white house over most issues. i mean, this was a specific constitutional interpretation point, but generally speaking, courts dislike lawsuits from one house of congress against the white house. >> and i think maybe i am not being clear in my line of questioning here which is not to suggest that they are one in the same and certainly the nuclear option nullifies a lot of the questions surrounding appointments and confirmations, but howard, this narrative that the republicans are trying to establish that the president is somehow an imperial president and is overstepping his boundary, and they're doing things that are unconstitutional and he's overreaching. rather than actually debate whether the president is overreaching and the recess appointments, i wonder when you look at this, howard, the boehner moving forward with this in a moment when i think a lot of us have looked at recent

primaries and thad cochran in mississippi and saying the establishment is fighting back it really makes you rethink that conclusion that perhaps the most restive and frifrn elements of the republican party are very much unsatiated and very much still at war and very much still wielding power within the republican caucus. >> oh i think that, and the reporting i've done among republicans and around the country would say that because the republican establishment has survived for the most part by running as far to the right as fast as they can and adopting this sort of anti-government let's sit on our hands philosophy which is really what john boehner's pursued and this lawsuit is part and parcel of that, and i think when you have the justices unanimously saying that the the president overreached in this case, even though the practical effects are as damaging as they are in terms

of the labor board, et cetera, i think it plays right into the conservative tea party narrative about that imperial president, about the overreach and so forth. that's why you saw mitch mcconnell grasping for it in his tough race in kentucky. i think you'll see a lot more of that down the road. this is all the republicans really have to say because the republican conservatives have no governing agenda. they have really very little by way of legislative proposals to put forward. they're retreating into this sort of institutional argument that plays well with the tea party base in part because it's empty of specifics. they can -- they can play this game without having to make tough statements on specific issues like deals on immigration, like deals on taxes and like deals on education reform and all of which creates enemies. this rhetoric creates friends among the tea party. >> michael, independent of the

sort of fracturous qualities of the republican party, the dysfunction in congress and the roadblocking on behalf of certain elements of the gop has profound effects in the balance of power and they point this out on fox, the the supreme court is effectively implementing public policy and determining policy because congress is no longer capable of drawing up laws, finessing laws and revisiting legislation in the same way that the reason the president is forced into executive action and executive order and a greater use of executive power is because congress no longer functions. and one wonders whether there is any sense of the great historic moment we are living in and the table that is being set by all this inaction. >> it's certainly a grim scenario we have here in washington. i don't think anyone would doubt that. i would just point out that historically it was barack obama in 2006-2007 who was talking about the imperial presidency.

>> right. >> democrats when george w. bush was in office were also very concerned about presidential overreach and signing statements and executive power. obama lost that concern once he lost into the oval office. i think this issue has a lot of appeal not just for the tea party and for the country as a whole who was upset with the direction of the country and concerned about their liberties, i think there is a broader message that goes out for this. >> i would say word to the wise, republicans trying to impeach a president during a mid-term, it's not worked out that well for you guys before. that's going to be my final on this. thank you both for your time. >> thanks, alex. just ahead, states and cities along the border are struggling to deal with the tens of thousands of migrant children streaming into the u.s. i will talk to one of the mayors facing that crisis. nogales' arturo marino in part four of the invisible us. that's next. helps reduce the risk of heart disease.

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between the president's refusal to enforce our immigration laws and his ever-shifting explanation as to the source of the ongoing crisis, it's no wonder that the president has lost so much credibility on this issue. >> what president barack obama is doing is enforcing a law which president bush signed and was supported by republicans, so

please, for a success, cecondse stop the the partisanship, let's view this not as a mrit will cal crisis, but a humanitarian crisis. >> democrats and republicans sparred on the senate floor about what to do about the tens of thousands of unaccompanied children surging across the u.s. border. republicans have made their position clear. they think it is all the president's fault making that abundantly clear house republicans called a hearing yesterday on an administration-made disaster. the south texas border surge of unaccompanied alien minors. happy to diagnose the problem, it it should be noted that the same house republicans refuse to deal with what might be the solution. the bipartisan senate immigration reform bill which would have languished for one year as of tomorrow. as part of our series this week on immigration i went down to south texas to see where these children are choosing to cross into the united states and to find the real reason why they're making this incredibly dangerous journey.

♪ ♪ >> you're trying to cross the rio grande, you probably want to find the calmest water possible and for a lot of immigrants that's the water behind this gigantic dam here. once you've made it past the shore there is a path up the water and you walk up this trail and here is the path and this is plymouth rock for the 21st century. >> unlike the border for the 21st century, a split, fence, in south texas, the rio grande divides america from mexico. >> that's a customs and border patrol helicopter and if you linger too long on the banks of the rio grande you are likely to trip up a sensor. >> this is the part of america that has become a super highway for border crossing. congressman henry qwayar believes the surge is a smuggling strategy. >> it's interesting why south texas. a lot of the times the decision

as to why they come in through south texas is not the individual's decision, but it's actually the decisions of the smuggling organization. i think they're trying to flood the zone knowing that we're not reacting as fast as we should. >> the surge across south texas has included tens of thousands of children traveling alone. since october, 52,000 unaccompanied minors have been caught crossing somewhere along the southern border. 37,000 of them or nearly three-quarters of these children were picked up in south texas. >> without a doubt, border patrol is being overwhelmed. in some areas up to 40% of those border patrol are not on the border anymore, but they're processing these individuals. >> the number of kids caught by border patrol is double that of the same time last year. by the end of this year, 90,000 children are expected to illegally cross the border into america. the overwhelming majority are from countries other than mexico, mainly el salvador, guatemala and honduras.

why the surge? there are politically expedient answers. >> we've got a humanitarian disaster on the border. >> humanitarian crisis. >> most of it at the president's own making. >> the direct consequence of president obama's lawlessness. >> but if you ask the kids who are crossing the border, there is another story. >> these people left their countries out of fear, out of violence and out of poverty. >> bishopel zond on head hads up the catholic bishops committee on migration. last month he traveled to el salvador to meet with children who made the trip north only to be sent back home. >> boys and girls as little as young as 9, 10 years old and most of them were mentioning it because they were in fear. in fear of being enrolled by gangs and to be used as carriers for drugs. >> el salvador's murder rate last month spiked a record high, averaging 14 homicides a day. honduras is still the murder capital of the world, averaging 19 homicides a day, and

guatemala has the the world's fifth highest murder rate, double that of mexico. >> most of them were mentioned that they were very much scared and afraid, ready to face whatever was needed, even death through crossing mexico. >> coyotes trying to lure customers are spreading misinformation about amnesty and how to exploit current policy. >> a smuggling organizations have said turn yourself in, claim credible fear. they'll give you a piece of paper where you can show up later and then, of course, don't show up and disappear. >> that slip of paper is a court date. an immigration hearing to determine what happens to these migrants once they enter the u.s. >> i would say at least 90% of them are not showing up. >> instead, they slip into the shadows where they're likely to remain for a very long time. >> this has happened both under bush and under the obama administration and the 11 or 12 million undocumented persons that we have here every single

day we're adding hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of new folks. >> joining me now is the mayor of nogales, arturo garino. mayor garino, thank you so much for joining me. let me ask you first about what is happening in nogales. is the representative right? are people basically coming to the country and being allowed to disappear? >> you know, at this point right now i'm not sure if that's the case, but i know they're going to have to go through the process, once they reached nogales and get processed and at that point they get sent to other locations where supposedly they'll try to locate a parent, a father or mother or some relative and then they're going to have to go through the system, the federal system. so this point right now, nobody has mentioned to me or anybody about the deportation process, but we'll see. we'll see what's going to happen and it could be one to three years from what i understand. >> we hear word from washington

that the white house is sending down more resources to the the border, more officials and more lawyers. do you feel like the resource are adequate enough to deal with the crisis? >> yes. yes. yesterday i met with the secretary johnson in nogales and also with governor brewer and that was discussed. agents are coming in from different locations from texas, california, both border patrol and customs and border protection to help with the processing of this. one of the things that i've noticed is it is more efficient now than what it was two weeks ago. the processing is going faster. i like the way fema is working closely with the other two entities. actually logistically, it doesn't matter what government agency takes ahold of this. they're doing a great job right now in nogales and it's a monumental task. believe me. >> no doubt, believe me is it is a monumental task. the numbers are staggering. i'm going to ask the question that everybody has been asking

for the last few week, but you've seen these people first hand and you are dealing with this problem in a very immediate fashion. what, in your mind, is the reason for the surge. we hear it's a combination of the situation in the home countries including el salvador, guatemala and honduras and it's also these smugglers who are working in concert and almost have what seems to be a strategy to get as many people to flood the zone as possible. my question to you is if that's true, can you tell us a little bit more about these smuggling networks? >> well, what they do usually is these children or if they're accompanied to a certain point we don't know yet or if they're unaccompanied from their point of origin, but they travel in these trains and they get as close as possible to the border in texas. that's where the coyotes take a hold of the situation and to be able to take them to the border. now, it looks very well planned because never in the history since i've been in nogales all my life, and -- and as long as

i've been a public servant have we ever seen unaccompanied children to this magnitude. in our border in arizona, the apprehensions have dropped tremendously. either they're looking for another avenue or they're looking for another hole in immigration for them to come across, but yes, it could be persecution, political asylum, poverty, all those things happen, but there is a message out there and it looks like they're being advised that if they make it to the texas border and they turn themselves into the men in green which that's what we're hearing then they'll have a chance to come into the united states. at that point we'll see what happens with immigration. there is a lot of work to do with immigration. i've been asked is this the end of immigration with what's happening? you know what? i hope that that's not the case. i hope in washington they realize and work together and remove those political hats so they can really start working immigration because this should be an eye-opening experience.

>> mayor garino, the children themselves and they're being relocated to nogales to where you are. up to 58% of children from mexico and central america may be eligible for some kind of humanitarian protection and my question to you is if we expedite the court process and the hearings process, that means we will in turn, likely be expediting the deportation of these children. knowing what we know, knowing what you know, should we be sending these children back to these countries if they could be qualifying for refugee status? >> you know, at this point i'm not sure because the reason is some of the stories the children are saying are very, very bad. so -- >> can i just ask you -- >> what kind of stories are you hearing from these kids? >> well, they're -- the crime. the crime, the poverty. a lot of the children find themselves with telephone numbers in their pockets to be able to reach somebody. somebody sending them over here. you know, this is so delicate

and it is so sensitive right now. some of the questions and some of the things that have been asked of the children and it's very sad. it's very sad. i talked to a couple of little girls and i asked them how they felt. they said they felt really, really sad. i thought something was happening in the united states and they said no. we miss our parents. at that point i felt really sad myself because i wasn't sure if their parents are here or if their parents are over there because the stories that they're mentioning about crime and about murders and everything happening in their country is something that we as a nation, we should go over there and find out exactly what's happening because we need the support from these three countries and also mexico to be able to stop this wave. >> certainly international engagement is part of the solution to this. nogales mayor arturo garino, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you very much for having me. coming up, after mississippi could race upset the balance of power in the south?

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don't settle for anything less. i'll keep asking. what's in your wallet? tuesday's runoff election may not have changed mississippi's senate delegation, but it can stage a major change in the politics of the state and in the region. the ten counties where incumbent senator thad cochran from earlier this month where those where blacks make up 69% or more of the population. is a more inclusive south an actual possibility in the not too distant future? joining me now to answer that question is the host of "all in" my friend and colleague chris hayes. so, chris, is it maybe getting better? >> no, i have to say, i spent some time in north carolina, and i saw just what on the ground day by day what they are doing

to build a cross racial coalition on the side of progressive values and justice and not even at this point progressive values and just mainstream, sensible values. and i was in a small town called bellhaven. there is a hospital there that is the cornerstone of this small town and by cornerstone, it is the biggest employer and it is the thing in the town and it is the emergency room, and that is going close. and the mayor of that town is the guy you saw in the clip, conservative republican and his ally. his allies, reverend barber, and the leader of the moral monday movement and come to him and says hey, you and i agree with medicaid expansion. not just that, i want to fight you to get you to your hospital and that's where you actually see it. it's one thing to say, we'll hold hands across races. it's, like, no. they're actually working their butts off to keep this hospital.

>> it's policy and legislating they're uniting around because the weird thing the farther the right has gotten the more they have pushed the moderate towards the left. pat mcquarry, governor of north carolina was elected as moderate and tom comes in as the speaker basically controlling the legislature and has undercut the governor in a really profound way, but the weird sort of bedfellows that have emerged from this are the leader of the naacp -- >> and this mayor said to me, he was angry about the medicaid expansion because he just said i don't know what -- they no -- it's indefensible. i don't know what they're doing. we have -- we are paying the tax dollars anyway. the money will go to other states. it's not going to cost us anything. all you're saying is we don't want that money to screw obama so that we can't have money for our hospitals so -- and i talked to the doctor in the town who has been the doctor in the town for 50 years, and he's basically delivered every baby in bell

haven in the last 50 years and he said to me, more than half of the patients we see are either medicare or medicaid. these are poor folks, these are poor folks, old folks and sick folks. this isn't the young, healthy population we have here and conservative folks and people need health care. >> "the new york times" reported, you close hospitals and it devastates communities. people remember having their children there. they remember going there when they were sick. it occupies a very public and personal role in both imagination and emotion. >> i talked to another woman there who is from the county which is in the mountains in asheville. this woman is from poor, white southern stock. her grandmother died in the fields as a share cropper in alabama. she lives among folks that are poor, white and conservative. she's in a county that's 97% white and she's losing family and she moves up to moral monday. >> that is amazing. >> be sure to catch, chris' special series which is

formidably awesome. all in america which airs tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern. great to see you, my friend. that is all for now. i'll see you tomorrow at 4:00. "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans and welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. i'm ready to go. let's get to work! ♪ ♪ the american people are still asking questions. the americans are still asking the questions. worried about the job. where are the jobs? >> he is ready to sue the president of the united states. >> this administration makes the wrong decisions. incompetence down the line. >> what we should do right now is defund the executive branch when we have the option. >> rome's burning. >> i think you know in your heart of hearts this is the waste of time now. >> there are far more important things that you guys have to be addressing. >> the american people continue to ask questions, where are the jobs. >> give me a