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tv   Lockup Raw  MSNBC  June 28, 2014 2:00am-2:31am PDT

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. >> i don't know what else you want. this is it. okay. you got your cell. you got this and the yard. that's all there is. a couple hours in the day room.
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a couple days on the yard. that's it, day after day after day after day, it's the same thing. nothing changes. >> 90% of prison life is actually boredom and it's what the inmates do with this downtime, this lack of stimuli that has led to the most interesting parts about lockup. >> the monotonous life in prison can push some inmates to the limit. in trying to understand how they deal with the specter of never being free again, we've met some of our most memorable characters and recorded some of our most dramatic footage. >> i'm survey, on fla parole sentence, two life sentences, two 99 year sentences, a 40-year sentence, a 20 year sentence and a ten-year sentence, altogether. [ laughter ] >> reporter: at the time of our visit, bobby gilbert atmosphere had been at alabama's home
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correctional facility for only four years. but he first landed in prison at the age of 18. he told us how a minor dispute over money led to an aquaintance in town. >> i was hot headed then, too, so that's how i got here. he owed me $36 and i paid $37 for the been i killed him with, so. >> reporter: once behind bars, gilbert's violence temper led to other crimes, including stabbing another inmate to death. this time for much less than $36, but gilbert made it clear to us, in prison, things aren't always as they seem. >> everybody wants to talk about i killed somebody, it's a carton of cigarettes. it's not a carton of cigarettes. >> that may be the catalyst that leads to something, but if somebody owes me a soda pop or i
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owe him a soda pop. they come to me, i need get that soda pop you owe me, i spit in their face, whose fault is it? it isn't about the soda pop. on the street, call the police, i tell you, you go get you a knife and you stab that son of a [ bleep ] and say you ain't taking nothing else. here's what happens when you come to take something from me. >> ao 1 a 4 your unit. >> reporter: gil fwert's life behind bars is often punctuated with his frequent battles with the warden culver, at the time culver and a discipline committee were about to review his recent behavior and transfer to a prison closer to his family's home. but within moments, other
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inmates decided to disrupt the hearing in the chute by banging on the cell doors, that's where warden culver decided to take matters in his own hands. >> you all go again. you, i want you to do it. you beat on the pleep bleep door again. beat on this door again. >> reporter: once the inmates calm down, gilbert's hearing got under way, his appeal for a transfer was quickly dismissed. it didn't take long for gilbert to make another request, one to help beat the boredom of prison life, the return of his recently confiscated chess set. >> why can't i have a chess piece, warden? it's regulation. >> let me tell you what you do. get you some pipe, draw you out a checker 'board, it's a matter of. that's ul you do. i don't. >> i don't' r see where it can
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hurt eeb e anybody in that cell. >> ask the law library clerk the text fooim time to bring you a copy and see if it says you are supposed to have chess pieces. >> you run this place. that's what i'm saying, that's your decision. >> and i follow the regs. >> the regs said we're supposed to have books. >> if it said that, you'd have them. this is segregation. ump meant to beifies. you are not here because you were doing something constructive. >> i was doing something constructive until they pulled me down. >> it's always somebody else's fault. >> he wants to exhibit some form of model behavior. but every avenue close to do anything constructive, we can't read a novel. i can't play chess through the mail leak i used to all my chess pieces take i away from me.
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by jumping up odoor every time a female came in there i guess that's model behavior. >> our cameras followed gilbert back to the cell, where he fumed over his chess set. >> i'd like somebody give me one reason, a semi intelligent reason, locked in here by myself with dchess pieces, i ain't hurting nobody in the world. that's doc. that's rehabilitation at its finest. >> next, on "lock up raw.". >> there is nothing i have done that god has not forgiven me for. >> a serial killer claems he found god. another inmate find satan. >> is it wrong to communicate crime of stealing a cracker or commiting murder. >> i bestow the power upon me. this is too good to be true. it was that good.
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. until we get there, we will never really live in the light. we will always live in the darkness. >> come on, pastor, take your time. >> reporter: few events if life can motivate somebody with religion like a life sentence. >> you hear a lot of people that come to prison, oh, i found god, well, i did. >> reporter: his conversion came on death row at the penitentiary of new many exco. >> i am in for four counts of murder and currently serving 33 live sentences. >> reporter: today, frye is a regular at a prison bible study t. inmates, all death row and
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maximum security are confined to their cells. >> i apologize about this filming, this is about me, showing about prison fellowship in christ is doing for us. >> reporter: frye's crimes were both numerous and gruesome. >> i was very angry, very confused. >> reporter: frye received a death sentence for bludgeoning and stabbing to death a 36-year-old mother of five in 2000. >> you best show yourf lor god by the way you show your love for your fellow man. >> reporter: he has three other murder kwon 56s as well. frye beat one man with a shovel and threw him off a cliff. another victim was nearly beheaded. but when he sat down with us, frye told our producer he was confident of one thing. >> i believe i'm going to be with my lord. when i die, i go to my maker with a clear conscience because i have send him as my savior and i have asked for forgive inside of my sins.
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>> do you feel your god loves you. >> he's your god, too. god loves everyone regardless. >> reporter: our produce pressed him on whether his victims will be as forgiving as god would be. >> what would you say if you showed up to the after life and there were people that you victimized? >> hello, brother. when we go to the kingdom of god, there is snow anger, no strife. all that will be taken from us. the people i've hurt wage, i do beg forgiveness, but i've already asked god for his forgive ness, all i can do is ask you to please forgive me, if you don't, then you get to live with the power of your own hate. >> reporter: frye surprised our crew when he placed his first brutal murders on the same plain as another crime. >> let me ask you a question, is eight greater sin to steam a cracker or to kill someone?
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god doesn't see it that way him you break one sin, you greinke all sin. if you are guilty of the least of this, you are guilty of all, so what does it matter what sin you perpetrate? sin is sin. amen. >> it sound like somebody running over a capital lawn mower. >> reporter: today frye remains on death row in new mexico while continuing his appeals. >> even at the hour of your death, if you turn to god and are truly repenttant of the things have you done, he will forgive you. >> what if that's not the case? >> that is the case. it is. >> what if it's not. >> you can say what if and why in the world, but it's faith. >> has it ever come into your mind that your petition is not quite there and you may be neegd a different kind of maker? >>. it's faith. faith brought me to god.
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faith clendzed me of my sins an faith will see me through. >> reporter: when we visited iway state penitentiary, we found a prison attempts to provide services for a wide range of religious beliefs. >> a lot of religions are a quiet and peaceful type of thing and so for them to pray with you about answers, it's very, very special. >> reporter: then we met an inmate travis wolfkill. >> in the name of satan the ruler of the earth the chemical and biological of the world, i command the darkness to be bestowed upon me. i'm in the satanic group here. it's only about four of us here. it's a real small community. the church of satan is about enjoying life, it's about doing what you want to do. we believe in indulgence rather than abstinence. we believe in doing what makes us happy, improves the quality of our life.
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>> reporter: such an attitude may have been what led wolfkill to a life sentence without the possibility of parole for murdering his grandmother of a $300 texas check. he told us he has a saflation is of sorts. >> this has the 11 satanic rules of the earth. if you look at number nine, it says, do not harm little children, number ten says do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked for your food that destroys all the bad stereotype have you about this religion. there is no human sacrifice. >> reporter: later in our meeting, we asked wolfkill to clear points about his church's doctrine. >> you had pointed out number nine. >> yes. >> tell me about that again. >> it says do not harm little children. >> tell me the next one. >> do not kill animals unless you are hunting, unless you need them for food actually.
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>> it says, do not kill non-human animals. >>. . is that whaut said, non-human animals. non-human animals, yes, that sound about right. >> but yet you're here for murder. >> yes. yeah. it says do not kill little children. i'm not in here for killing a child. >> reporter: coming up. >> if i'm not busy, i am busy getting if trouble. >> reporter: lock-up discovers true talent behind bars. >> it's either be killed or be killed. the next life will.
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a life behind bars can lead some inmates to further destruction, even death. but others use the time to create something meaningful. >> you know you need to see the
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talent inside these walls. >> reporter: "lock up" producers only had to walk to the other side of the door at the homan correction am facility to see how right he was. >> blues, i don't mess with hard rock stuff. >> reporter: he passes time playing music. that's not what amazed our crew is he builds his own guitars out of the one few recreational resources boat kits. >> this is what-and-a-half boat kits, these are stood up together to make this neck leak this. down inside of it, we have one radio, the tone control about three controls down here the set of battery, and this one back here is the mic mixer and then we use magnets in the corner to hold the lid on it. [ music playing ] >> reporter: he always includes one other almost on his guitars,
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it's for his muse. >> everything i do i dedicate to my wife. the blue heart is because we have been separated for 23 years now and she's still with me. she's sticking with me right through this. i always put a blue heart on the letters i mail to her, every card and a blue hart on the guy tar. it's just our symbol, being separated for long [ music playing ] >> reporter: while music helps him cope with life at home. we found another inmate who found his aggressive tendencys are smoothed at that time spring creek correction am center in alaska. >> tell us your first and last name. >> patrick harrington. i have been in this prison since june of '88.
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august will be 20 years. charges murder, murder in the first. i try to be in the hobby shop as much as i can. for me, if i'm not busy, i have the tendency to get if trouble. when the place opened up, i wasn't busy, i was in fights, based on beating up other people. >> reporter: but in the hobby shop, harrington focuses those energies on something far more delicate, an incredibly detailed dollhouse he was working on for his niece. >> i have been working on it two years, it's for the young girl. the young girl, she has no idea i'm making it or it's coming down there. >> reporter: harrington gave our crew a tour of his mast sper piece. >> the windows here, they all work up and down, all the doors open and close, all the lights work, the doors open. all the yellow colored one is the national color of the wood. this door up here is pull downstairs, so a little doll request come upstairs, up top.
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the shingles aried, 900 individual brecks. it's a lot of work. it's a lot of fun, you know. >> reporter: with hobby shop security consisting of little more than under surveillance cameras, time spent here is a privilege accorded to only the most trusted enmates. >> you know, there is no officer in here. officers do walk through here at teams. the windows, they look through the windows, there has been no fights, no trouble in here. >> a few months away from finishing his niece's presented, harington has his other project lined up. >> my brother has another daughter a year-and-a-half, if i have to make another, yeah, i'm do it. >> reporter: with a 99-year sentence, he will have plenty of time to build more doll houses. >> i can go to the parole board 2019. will i get it?
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there is a chance. >> reporter: in the exercise yard, we met an inmate whose art is inspired my his life. >> tell me your name. >> kevin moore, m-o-o-r-e. >> what were uconn vicked of. >> parole for sales of marijuana. >> the yard is an interesting place, you never know who you will walk into, what personality or who they r. i started looking around and find interesting looking faces. so i happened upon kevin moore, he started telling me-is a rap artist. >> i have a record deal working on me for def record, my akaa sasssoon, if you are a rap fan, listen to it. >> when you talk to inmates, are you not whaur u sewer what to believe. they tell you these stories. >> i have been a ghost writer in the rap industry 13 years, a lot
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of stuff i have written behind these walls, i have sold to other artists that have been successful. >> i said, do a rap for me. he just rolled one off his lip, it was called 15 to life. >> all right. you ready. here we go. 15 to life ♪ doing 15 to life ♪ you got a brother locked up you again ♪ a slave bound to the state pen ♪ it's going to be a rough ride ♪ because i'm about to do time for the crime of a homicide. >> when we met him, moore was 17 days away from his release date. >> when finally i got my head straight, i'm going to go for that, because i'm burn out on. this you don't see no females. you don't see no laughter. this is like a cemetery, you stuck, it's like you dead, you dead here. a lot of cats here, you might as well consider them dead. i got home boys you can consider deceased that are right here that have been forgotten. i don't want to be one of those cats. >> reporter: still, moore could
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not germany tee he would stay away from conflicts that would keep him from here. >> 17 days from home, ain't no way i'm going to do something to delay my stay here unless it's something that can't by a voided a racial situation somewhere where i have to react ♪ so now it's back to zone ♪ the race war the brown and the whites against the blacks ♪ the first rule of the game is watch your back ♪ it's either kill or be killed ♪ i'm going to find me some steel and a mercenary death trap ♪ because if i do time ♪ i'd rather do it like a real [ bleep ]. >> i'm sitting there he's writing about every little experience that he's had inside there ♪ life, doing 15 to life. that's it. 
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