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>> we waited four years for this. look at this. american soccer. look around this place. america soccer is growing! >> i'm a die-hard football fan. >> we will win! >> i definitely think we can beat them. >> definitely see us moving out of 16 and from 8 into the four. >> usa is right. it is tuesday, july 1st. belgium, usa today at 4:00 espn. with us on set, msnbc contributor mike barnicle. former communications director for press george w. bush, nicole waur wallace and in his summer suit, donny deutsche and "the cycle" host, a group of brothers and sisters like each other on the show and it's a good show. >> thank you, man. >> is that the a block today?

>> before we get started, july fourth is coming up, mike. i know you have big barbecues. >> yes. you come. >> yes. >> he takes his plane. >> if i was going to have a barbecue to get the kids excited, where do i go? >> nachos. >> where do i go? >> i don't know if you can access it or not, but my young friend mr. geist is a nachos owe mi aficionado. >> i have it! >> willie geist's nacho recipe. >> what is it? >> tell us. >> you take the individual scoop tortilla chip and into the little ones and not a big heaping mess of machos. >> i heard you and your people negotiated about a year for this thing. you were very -- he wasn't sure. they wanted you to use a certain kind of salsa.

>> i had to give up a lot in this deal. i can't disclose it. >> i heard you had terms if you were putting your hand in the shot you wanted your hand photo shopped? >> yes. >> it's like delicious. >> it's a model. it's not even my hand. >> delicious. they look beautiful. the okra, do you really use that? >> no. >> t.j., a graphic we can put on that people can write in for that recipes. >> send your cards and letters to 30 rockefeller. another photo that you didn't capture that is much worse. we digress. an eagle swooping into a soccer ball, as we swoop in there. usa coops in for cup kill against belgium. the front page of the daily news, go time. they have a good team, unfortunately.

undefeated team. people very excited about that. let's talk news here. lots of reaction. we talked about this all morning yesterday leading up to it. supreme court ruling over issues that religious freedom and reproductive rights. the highest court sided with lobby lobby to obamacare's contraception mandate. a narrow 5-4 ruling with the five male justices siding with the company and justin stephen breyer formed the dissent. the company said violating their rights. the court agreed saying small businesses should not have to convict. adding othjustice samuel leito e in part. requiring their companies to arrange for such coverage the mandate demands they engage in

conduct that seriously violates their religious beliefs. in a 35-page dissent, justice ruth bader ginsburg called it startling breath adding approval some religious claims could be perceived as favoring one religion over another. the very risk the establishment clause was designed to preclude. the court, i fear, has ventured into a minefield. former secretary of state hillary clinton called the court's ruling deeply disturbing and says it sets a dangerous precede precedent. >> there are companies that may be closely held by implies that don't believe in blood transfusions. that is a belief that certain people hold. does that mean if you have a need for a blood transfusion your insurance policy doesn't have to cover it? this is a bad, sliply slope. >> i think it went the way leach predicted it would. what is your takeaway? >> a significant ruling. this is a new legal precedent

for the first time extending a sort of religious identity and a religious set of rights to some types of companies. some corporations. these are not churches and not religious groups but for-profit corporations. that means in lawyer land they get exceptions to laws that most people corporations and most individuals have to follow. a lot of people talk about this is religious freedom and it certainly is that. this is first and foremost a case about capitalism. if you're a normal person you don't have more rights than yesterday. for most people, it's unaffected. if you happen to operate or run a company, you have more freedom today in the sense you can can be exempt from certain laws in the way you run your company. >> ari, is this, at any point an extension of citizens united on supreme court fund-raising what constitutes who it get money and does it extend citizens united. >> i think in logic but not in law. the court was very careful not

to cite citizens united here and not put this in the context of political speech. we as reporters definitely can understand the fact that sometimes this sort of fiction of corporatehood makes sense. first aemmendment rights. this corporate fiction has been around a while. what is new as you're e leading to is the idea beyond that mechanism where humans speak through corporations we are saying the corporation itself has a religious identity. that is a shock to a lot of people because it's weird and how to understand how -- >> to mike's point which is a great one is the same inane arguments that corporations are people like you and i which is absurd. basically, a corporation lives within the laws and rights and the tax protections of being a every day business of making money and now get to turn and say we act like a person and

allowed to have beliefs and allowed to live by those beliefs and you can't have it both ways. this is a very disturbing, although they narrow ruling, but it does completely, to me, draw a straight line back to citizenship. >> justice alito wrote a corporation is a simply form of organization used by human beings to achieve desire end. a corporation is a group of people. >> but not a human being and they stand and get protected by the rights of corporations which is ridiculous. >> do you think it opens the door to religious claims, other religionly based lawsuits become, like, a cottage industry? >> absolutely. that is what good lawyers do. the client doesn't say i have a bunch of big plans. the client says what can i do? get solar panels on your roof to get a tax exemption and that is good lawyering. what the court has done here is invited the entire corporate bar in to figure out how to use this stuff. the logic doesn't stop at these

closely held firms. justice alito said i want to draw it only here. if this is how an empty is run, then it has these religious rights, why does that stop at closely held firms and why not stop at large firms? up until yesterday, in corporate law, we always said you do have these rights. as a nation we have great religious protections but they stop at the level of religious practice by human beings. we have never extended them into the board room. >> nicole, we should point out hobby lobby covers 16 of the 20 available contraceptions. four they say they object to on religious grounds and simply shouldn't be compelled to have to pay for them for their employees and that was upheld yesterday. >> right. the hostility with which this was greeted is stunning. this is about a company that controls 16 birth control pills

and such. they were uncomfortable covering two. the court upheld their religious liberty. to the degree that people still value religious liberty in this country, it is completely blind in the media to understand how deeply held that value is. people in this country, outside of maybe the new england media corridor, still believe that religious liberty is a -- an essential american value. >> but, nicole -- hang on. yes while they cover contraception and 16 different birth control pills the two that made them uncomfortable that felt like it violated their values, they can now be covered by the government which, by the mandate set forth in obamacare, alito wrote in his opinion that the government can now pay for the birth control pills that hobby lobby wasn't comfortable

paying for. i think the republicans should learn to this to the degree they celebrate this decision it should be on the grounds of the liberty liberties it protected and not go down this rabbit hole about the debate about contraception because it's a loser. >> don't you think, nicole, you got "the new york times" there and i don't know whether you read their lead editorial. >> this is "wall street journal." this is what we read. >> don't you think much of the editorial reaction of this decision yesterday is really rooted in what happens in the elections this fall with the united states senate? that if the republicans gain control of the senate, the president of the united states, barack obama, has, like, very little shot of getting another supreme court nominee through that senate? >> absolutely. i think what we saw from hillary clinton is how this issue is going to play in the presidential election after that. i think the politics are always interesting but i think to the degree that democrats are almost desperate to turn this into a

political issue immediately those are the politics. >> two points. it's very easy to give the argument about religious freedom and liberty. >> it's easy because that is what the case is about. >> to me the case is a little bit different because we all celebrate that and i celebrate a woman's right to choose or somebody's right to feel badly about that and not want to choose. but this is a corporation that lives and gleans the benefits of being a corporation in america, everything that comes with it. you don't get to pick and choose where you say i want to be protected as a corporation, but i don't want to do this as a corporation. and that, to me, is the argument. going into the election, i think this is an opportunity for the democrats to just continue the war on women and it is a twist on it because, to your point, that is really not what it's about, but i can make it about that and i think this decision is going to backfire on the republicans if the -- >> one, if you're sitting in the

pews this does nothing for you. it doesn't help religious employees and a distinction i think will become clear as some of the rhetoric fades away. what is interesting this law is 21 years old and nobody thought it protected a corporation. the court saying we know better than congress you must have meant to protect corporations. the republicans at the time this law was passed said it was about protecting people and not each on the radar. that is a type of activism that is very interesting. >> a law that bill clinton signed. >> big news in iraq. growing concern about two potential targets for militant fighters. the international airport and the massive american embassy in baghdad's green zone. both sites are getting extra protection as president obama steps up the number of american forces employed in iraq. 775 u.s. troops were sent to iraq in june. many to guard american interests there and step up surveillance of the battleground where sunni gunmen are waging war against

the government. as nbc's richard engel reports, the threat posed by the terror group extends far beyond the middle east. >> reporter: isis militants have land and ambitions and u.s. officials are now worried. several counterterrorism official tell nbc news the threat is, quote, extremely high. they say isis is developing bomb making skills. and cultivating a roster of foreign suicide bombers who could target the u.s. and europe and they are bragging about it. this fighter claiming to be from chile says iraq and syria are just the beginning. >> we shall break the barrier of iraq, jordan, all of the countries left. >> reporter: isis puts out daily propaganda. videos showing its brutal attacks.

the videos can't be independently verified by the intentions are clear. >> we are going for you, barack obama! >> the holy grail for these groups are to strike in the west, attacks in london, attacks in the united states. this is what they strive for and more and more, this is a concern of u.s. intelligence. >> reporter: there is one saving grace. isis savage and intolerant is generally losing support wherever it goes. in a baghdad mosque, iraqi shiites express disdain for the groups. they are heated said this man and many sunnis agree. by being so bold, perhaps even overconfident, isis has created a lot of enemies and not just among iraqis. you have to be uniquely unpopular to have hezbollah and saen r

syrian and u.s. and iran all up against. isis has carved out a safe haven in the heart of middle east that may now be the most dangerous terrorist sanctuary in the world. >> joining us from washington nbc news national security analyst and former director of the national counterterrorism center, michael leiter and we heard from him in richard's report. you heard you say there there are designs by isis on attacks in the west whether it's london or new york city or beyond. what are the risks right now as we see yesterday, president obama putting 300 more troops on the ground there that the united states is drawn back into iraq in some form or another? >> willie, no doubt that when americas look at this i think most just say, gosh, i don't care about iraq any more but what i think they need to understand is isis and other rebel groups in syria pose a real threat to the united states and that is because these groups now have people, they have got safe haven, they have got money, and increasingly expertise and

they have always had the commitment to attacking the west. so they may now well control western iraq, eastern syria, but ultimately some of these group's goal is to attack aircraft or cities in london, new york, the rest of the united states and the west and it's a very, very significant concern. i would say as much, if not more than the concern we get from looking at groups in yemen and pakistan today. >> are the exception of osama bin laden personal wealth have we ever been confronted with a terrorist group with financial accesses the way they have collected them the three or four weeks as isis has and what will the money be employed for? >> a great point. bin laden but some of his own money in but it certainly wasn't as much as they have now. isis, the estimates has up to $2 billion and is with a b and that is even real money to donny.

>> everyone. >> they stole probably up to $400 million from an iraqi bank and through kidnapping and controlling borders, these guys are really a state in terms of funds. what they can use that for is a couple of things. one, recruits. they can pay people to come and fight and if they can pay more than some of the other rebel groups that is where people will go and fight. they can finance operations outside and buy different weapons. all of this goes to the safe haven they have in this region and from that safe haven we are very concerned they will reach outside. because they have fighters from the west, 10,000 plus fighters in syria today from western nations, people who can travel easily back to europe and the u.s., that is why we are especially concerned. >> michael, we reached something of a bipartisan agreement in this country not to do much going into syria. how much of the vacant sort of vacuum there in syria feeds into

the foothold that i circumstances has able to achieve? >> it's been a real problem and that is not to say that going into syria is an easy call. either two years ago or today, it's still very challenging. obviously the opposition who is fighting assad we have enemies are both sides in this fight. i think it's fair to say over the past two years, the modern opposition in syria has shrunk, while the more extreme opposition embodied by isis has grown and a lack of real western involvement in syria actually provided some opportunity for that to occur. again, that doesn't mean we have to be deeply involved now but we are basically in a defensive posture now for attacks coming out of the region and i think we have learned in the past that just being on the defense in these situations is not a long-term strategy. >> mike, so we have got 775 troops on the ground right now ticking up toward a thousand potentially. how much bigger can this go and

will thissing for the united states where, frankly, you have to call it a war again? >> i tend to think, willie, it's not going to get a lot bigger but the 700 troops enable other u.s. opportunities. that is the intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance they can help the iraqis on. as long as the iraqi armed forces do start to reinstitute and this doesn't come all-out sectarian battle they can enable other u.s. air power. i think a possibility. more troops, very unlikely. >> what is the degree of danger to jordan and to the region? >> jordan is very much on edge. isis tried to take some of jordan's border. jordan is our closest partner and a huge issue for us in the region. we have seen the instability slide into lebanon so this is a long-term problem, guys.

>> mike, always good to see you. thanks so much. >> ari, are you leaving? >> you tell me. >> they are telling me to thank you. >> sounds like a good-bye. >> justice? >> you stay where you are, young man. i'll overrule that. we will be watch "the cycle" today at 3:00 on msnbc. still ahead, president obama takes action on immigration reform after lawmakers he says failed to act. congressman luis gutierrez will be here to explain what happens next. plus, new developments with the so-called kissing congressman, how advance mcalister is refusing to let scandal ruin his political career after he was caught making out with a staffer. and mayor rob ford returns. he is cleaned up and out of rehab. welcome back. >> he even sounded sober yesterday. >> a heartfelt apology yesterday. first, bill karins with a check of the forecast.

we had a horrible wind storm move the great plains. arthur is possibly a hurricane coming up. the eastern seaboard as we go through the fourth of july weekend. the tropical depression is over warm water and three days to strengthen. the general forecast has it paralleling the southeast coast and slowly trying to move away from new england as we go throughout the extended forecast. here is the computer models. all of these little squiggly lines, different versions of the forecast and all within the cone of uncertainty, the yellow. some are close to north carolina and areas of new england. here is the specifics on the forecast and how it would impact your fourth of july holiday plans. the storm could be and is forecasted by the hurricane center to be a 75-mile-per-hour wind hurricane late thursday night into friday morning just off of eastern north carolina.

north carolina has been hit by many category 1 hurricanes and that would not be a devastating blow. the beaches from ocean city, maryland, virginia beach, the jersey shore and long island on the fourth you'll have rough seas no matter what and rip currents and breezy. most of the rain on the east side of the storm in a way. again, this is not what you wanted to see if you had beach plans out there. some areas probably won't let people in the water. always prepare for one category higher so for eastern north carolina could be a category 2. we will have more details on this as we go throughout the week ahead. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back.

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the morning papers. "wall street journal" israeli forces are hammering palestinian targets after three teenagers were found dead in the west bank. today there were ground assaults backed by dozens of air strikes. three weeks after the teens were abducted their bodies were found yesterday not far from where they went missing. hamas has not claimed responsibility although prime minister netanyahu has placed blame squarely on that group. the detroit free press. general motors is recalling another.4 million vehicles worldwide as the ignition switch fallout continues. they have i should three dozen recalls impacting 30 million vehicles worldwide. the automaker announced plans to set up funds offering at least $1 million to the families of victims who died as a result of the ignition switch default. gm expects 90% of claims to be settled through the funds. >> talking about 30 million vehicles. donny, at what point does this

take a bite out of their brand? >> in a strange way, i think they are doing everything right. you need to press the reset button. you go back and look at toyota, people have short memories and they were a disaster. they are taking the bull by the reins and a year from now, whether you think this is good news or bad news it's going to be business as usual for gm. they are doing the right thing. no way to hedge this at this point. you have to go like this and start over. so i think they will be fine in the long term. the tragedy is the families obviously. >> absolutely. the daily mail. the woman known as the nightmare nanny is speaking out and is now claiming she is the real victim. >> of course, she is. >> of this household dispute. >> duh! >> diane strutton says she was working 24/7 without lunch breaks or coffee breaks and each holidays and she was hired as a live-in nanny the past march and currently sleeping in her car while her belongings remain in the house. >> where is the car, do you

think? >> in the driveway. >> john tower is on his way to the home now. >> he's on a stakeout. >> he has his panel truck and action news! >> i think we should go in homeland and put monitoring devices inside and cameras. >> you ran a clip yesterday of the woman padlocking the refrigerator. sometimes it's art and you have to let it flow over and over again? >> do we have that clifp? if not, we will bring it back. >> the parade of papers. so-called kissing congressman is officially running for re-election after much thought and prayer. advance mcalister says he is not done with washington and seek another term representing louisiana's fifth district. previously the republican said he would not run again after he was caught kissing a staffer after winning a special election last year. he is married and has five children the kiss apparently

lasted about five months. >> donny, you're just glad you didn't have surveillance cameras at deutch inc. when you were running the show? >> yes, correct. >> thank you! >> let it go. correct. >> the "los angeles times." rob ford is back to work after completing two months of intensive rehab therapy. he apologized for his behavior and asked for forgiveness said the staff at the treatment facility saved his life. >> after experience iing some o the darkest moments in my life, i decided that enough was enough. i had become my own worst enemy. when i look back on some of the things i have said and some of the things i did when i was

using, i am ashamed, embarrassed and humiliated. i was wrong and i have no one but no one to blame but myself. >> mayor ford did not take questions. he returns to office still stripped of most of his powers as mayor. he has four months to convince voters he reformed and capable of fulfilling another term as toronto ford. he is in second place by a recent poll however, 58% say they would prefer mayor ford resign immediately. >> come on. olivia chow, rob ford? come on. >> i feel this is unfair the picture we have of rob ford. >> that is editorial misjudgment right there. >> that is terrible. with us is the chief white

house correspondent for politico who has a look at the playbook. good morning. >> good morning on the 1st day of july. >> it is indeed. former vice president dick cheney and his daughter liz are making the rounds. why is it being called the cheney recovery tour? >> when liz cheney was running in senate in wyoming she was running against the gop establishment mike enzi. she was trying to knock him off. we had a recent off the record dinner between the vice president at the hay adams hotel here with former reagan bush official gop operatives and included in the guest list that night was people who were supporters of senator enzi. liz cheney is back. they are starting a group alliance for strong america to change from the very partisan approach she had taken in her campaign to go back to the

cheney brand on a strong, more hawkish national defense. the vice president has offered to help the rnc and senate republicans in raising money for the elections ahead. all of this is part of building the possibility of a future career for liz cheney. senator rob portman, republican of ohio, close to the cheneys and told liz she has a lot to offer. he thinks if she wants to be governor or senator or congressman from wyoming she could achieve that. all of this is part of putting the cheney's back to where they were and as part of their tour on july 14th, playbook lunch, we are going to have three cheney's. the vice president, his wife lynne cheney and liz cheney are all together on ploaybook lunch

>> why does liz cheney want to do next, nicole? >> she made sure at the time that family health issues but she never denied she had them. what is interesting to me is this opportunity talk about style over substance cheney's sort of wrap up in this process. they have always been sort of the first ones to go to any race where their voice could be helpful and they have always been very committed to the party's political ambitions. the problem now is the republican party is incredibly divided and i'd say the number of republicans who sort of stand with them in their world view is diminishing. they do hold more of a john mccain strong america and intervene where you can and that is not really the political philosophy of the few parts the republican party that are growing. the younger libertarian, conservatives to be to be more

isolationist like rand paul. they have the opportunity to talk about these style points and they can be very charming one-on-one, believe it or not, donny. but the substance of their message, is losing favor in the republican party. >> dick cheney is delighted in going on tv and defending the iraq war the last month or so and making people very angry, right, ari? >> it's interesting. mike uses the term recovery. we are all americans. i believe the second part of that is addressing in a serious way what has gone wrong. you could see it in the megan kelly interview. fox news anchor saying to dick cheney you made mistakes here and mike is talking about these closed door meetings. what ii think has to come out of it nicole is raising with the rest of the party there are legitimate good faith disagreements where to proceed on foreign policy and can't be resolved who is for a stronger america.

i think they have to reckon more with that legacy in a serious way if they want to be taken seriously in the mainstream now. >> willie, to pick on nicole's point, we have to remember here that both dick and lynne cheney have long histories in washington before the bush administration. he as a congressman, as defense secretary. so i think nicole is right. they are trying to remind people where ythey liked them pre-bush. >> a good piece up on politico. mike allen, thanks so much. >> have a good day. >> my e-mail is blowing up. first from a viewer. willie, i've always been a big fan but you recommending bacon in the nauchos is irresponsible. yours truly mika b. hoda and kathy notice the hand on the story there. any kind of story line there? >> no. looking lovingly. i had that in my contract i had to have two beautiful women

looking lovingly at me while i made my nachos. >> it says preheat at 375. isn't that a little hot? >> and drinking alcohol while you make those. >> our paige amanda will no longer be working here as of 7:37. >> did she hear that? >> it's a good run, amanda. we enjoyed having you here and enjoy the rest of your summer off. coming up, big news for the u.s. soccer team. jozy altidore ruled fit to play against belgium today. two of the best teams in the american league face off with a walkoff ending. "morning joe" sports is next. at every ford dealership, you'll find the works!

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are you all right? >> not really. >> talking a little ray donovan over here on showtime. a great show. >> talk about somebody being very hot. >> he is so hot. oh, my god. >> i love when republicans come clean with their passions. you guys need that even more. >> what do you mean? you are like bill mar?

never dated a republican? >> this is a serious thing. they have done a survey. >> no. >> keep to the recipes. >> where are you going, donny. >> what is a dollop of cream. >> who is sexually exciting republicans or democrats? >> who commenced this poll, you? >> no. by the way, guys, look it up in the booth. republicans are actually more sexually adventurous or whatever word you want to use. this is a poll. guys, i'm telling you a poll has been done. >> it's time to get out of the hamptons, pal, find yourself a republican. >> they are serious! >> tv trick to like call the control room for a life line. you got nothing, pal! >> they will find it. you mock me now. switzer, einstein, they laugh. >> vance mcallister, cue that

up. >> a poll conducted 25 years by donny in his apartment. a one-man poll. thomas roberts is here. that is always good news. time for sports. the world cup jozy altidore worked out with the team yesterday ahead of their matchup against belgium today at 4:00. altidore had been sidelined with a strained hamstring since the united states 2-1 win over ghana in the group stage. according to the reports altidore is fit and ready but coach klinsmann is unclear how many minutes the star forward will play. yesterday, germany and al jeer that. 90 minutes at nil through regulation but germany strikes first across to andre sural. breaks the deadlock. through the legs. take another look.

>> wow. >> that is incredible. 15 minutes later, germany again off the rebound. germany up 2-0. second goal would prove to be huge as nigeria nets a late one but germans hang on against the winner of this france. france ben rejima thinks lae a goal but the nigerian defender keeps it out of the net. stay scoreless. 9th minute. france heads one into the net for the lead. france eliminates nigeria. a little major league baseball. tigers trailing oakland 4-1. bases loaded. bottom of the ninth.

>> driven in the air toward left field. that ball is deep. that ball is way back and it's a game winner! he walked it off! grand slam home run rajai davis! >> a walkoff grand slam, rajai davis. rare walkoff grand slam. bryce harper gets a standing "o." missing 57 games with a torn ligament in his left thumb. 1 for 3 with an rbi single and nationals beat the rockies 7-3. how much weight do celebrity endorsements carry during a political campaign? >> i can't speak for what eric will do as a mayor but i can promise you this. if you vote for him, there will be free waffles every tuesday morning for the whole city of los angeles. >> and eric garcidi won.

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if hp big data solutions can keep wireless customers smiling, \s welcome back, everybody. a beautiful shot of washington, d.c. the sun comes up tuesday, july 1st. nice to start back with a pretty shot. >> oh, absolutely. >> absolutely. >> thank you, thomas. >> it's time for the must read opinion pages. let's look at what we are getting this. joining us is washington anchor for bc world news america is katty kay. judging by the liberal reaction you would think the supreme court majority that struck down part of the obamacare's birth

control mandate on monday has suddenly imposed what is a matter of law rather than political opportunityism. this political overkill suggests that democrats are secretly delighted by the ruling which they hope to use to scare women to the polls and salvage their shaky midterm prospects. the real liberal grievance isn't with supreme court but with rfra itself. if democrats are upset as they claim they ought to repeal this and be honest about how little they care about religious liberty. harsh. >> true. this is in a sense about religious freedoms and if the democrats are as happy as i think they seem to be and this is in line with their political messaging, it works for them. it fuels the narrative that they are trying to communicate, then this is a fair argument against

that strategy. >> i'm not sure that totally secretly delighted, though. to have had a victory in the supreme court would have been useful for the president for his affordable care act and rather had had that than the supreme court rule the way they did. are they going to use this politically to fuel the narrative republicans can't be trusted with women's health issues? sure, they are. i think the idea that there is there is something process going on here that liberals wanted this to happen yesterday strikes me as far-fetched. >> a question who you ask. that is "wall street journal." "the new york times" the justices endorsed imposing religion on employees. they say that denying women access to full health benefits is discrimination. "the new york times" editorial page is calling this a case of discrimination. >> i think, you know, women are going to -- my sense is this is not going to make a huge amount of difference come voting in

november. if you have decided one way or another, don't you think, nicole? >> of course. >> on where you stand on the issue of contraception and whether you think already that the republicans jeopardize a woman's right to access to contraception you probably have chosen which way you're going to vote particularly in a key state like colorado. if you have voters in the middle trying to decide this may fuel a little bit of an argument that the democrats are using but i can't see this as massive vote swing. >> just as we look at this, just a gender of perspective, male, female does it body you hobby lobby has no problem covering viagra for its male employees? >> if they didn't cover 16 forms of birth control. if they said we won't cover any form of birth control. >> i don't know how many kinds of male drugs there are. 16 different birth control pills. >> they want to give for men for

erectile dysfunction, do you think they are hypocritical in the fact they don't say, well, guys we have to take this away from you because we are drawing a distinction here with what we want to offer our female employees. >> i don't know that hobby lobby has weigh inside on viagra. >> of course, they haven't. >> i can't speak to viagra. >> do you find it critical you don't see any headlines about that? >> i think the more women have access to free, cheap, safe contraception the better off we are. >> the government dr. >> we want women to have more contraception and we want vulnerable women in low income groups who are risk of teen pregnancies the most vulnerable women we want them to have as much access to contraception as possible. i haven't heard the religious argument against viagra but maybe there is one but i haven't heard about it so why would a group like hobby lobby take on viagra? >> what we think about it is for

sexual reproduction and the use of viagra what it's used for men in erectile dysfunction it goes to what the women use contraception for which is to control reproductive rights and the issues that they choose with their body. again, this all boils down to sex is bottom line. that's what it's all about, because you're not using contraceptive in their minds. they are thinking it's not about regulating a woman's period which many women use this drug for in terms of birth control. they are thinking totally about a sexual aspect of this that they agree with allowing a woman to have a baby. that's it. >> but for hobby lobby it's not even about contraception. it's about -- >> the sentence is confusing on the particular forms of contraception. it's not clear that that is what they do. >> bottom line it's only about sex. money. the man behind gm's payout plan compensating victims of the

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team usa goes at 4:00 today on espn against belgium in the round of 16 at the world cup. welcome back to "morning joe." donn political director and host of the daily rundown chuck todd is joining us. can you get fired up for soccer? i know you're not a huge football guy but you got to be excited about this, right? >> it's hard to root against a team whose country's primary exports are chocolate and beer. how do you hate belgium? >> i'm a brand guy. i wouldn't be doing that pro belgium thing. >> i'm saying it's hard to say i can't stand those belgiums. they are nice, they have no sense of humor. >> zero sense of humor. >> don't get me wrong. i'm just saying, you know?

do they end up with chocolate at halftime? >> it's who you're rooting for. the other team is irrelevant. >> see? this is so international of you. in nerc, we root against stuff! that is what make us americans, right? >> the headline chuck todd hates america. >> hey! that is what the twitter would say. >> katty, a life line. donny would have killed for in the last hour. >> chocolates and waffles for chuck today. i want to get your take on house speaker john boehner's pending lawsuit over president obama over executive actions is not stopping the president from taking action on his own. president obama says he will use his executive order to overhaul parts of the immigration system changing as much as he can by himself without congress. the president says he has no other options since congressman boehner informed him the house will not consider legislation on immigration for the rest of this year. >> our country and our economy

would be stronger today if house republicans had allowed a simple yes or no vote on this bill or, for that matter, any bill. they would be following the will of the majority of the american people who support reform. and, instead, they proven again and again that they are unwilling to stand up to the tea party in order to do what is best for the country. the worst part about it is a bunch of them know better. the failure of house republicans to pass a darn bill is bad for our security, it's bad for our economy and it's bad for our future. >> in a statement, speaker boehner said in part in our conversation last week, i told the president what i've been telling him for months. the american people and their elected officials don't trust him to enforce the law as written. until that changes it's difficult to make progress on this issue. so, chuck, it's passed through the senate. hit a dead end in the house has immigration reform. what is the future of immigration reform?

is it executive action? >> i don't know how much more the president can do. >> yeah. >> than he has already done. i just don't think he can do some small temporary measures but think about this. bush tried to do it when he had all republican control. then they tried to do it when there was democratic control of the house and senate and republican president. then we had all democratic control for two years, it didn't get done. then we had the split that we have had now both with the narrow majority and a expanded majority in the house and senate. what political makeup can make this happen? there is always a new excuse, particularly by republicans right now, about why they can't do it now and i have to say on this, i mean, i get politically why they are not doing it. no positive political incentive for them. all there is, well, maybe there will be less pain in the presidential for them. we know it's going to tear their party apart if they deal with immigration now, it will absolutely tear the party in half and it will be ugly and it

will be -- it will make '07 that horrible year for john mccain when he almost lost his opportunity at getting the republican nomination, just simply over immigration, it will make that seem like little game. so, you know, i don't know how the republicans ever figure out the political space to do this. >> chuck, i want to ask you and love nicole's opinion. i see such a platform for the democrats and obama started to lay it out. once again, the party or not. the country was immigration reform and they are against it and minimum wage raise it for everybody, they don't want to do it. by the way, health care now, 13% of americans lowest ever are without health care. severing going the right direction and they would like to take that away. by the way, women's reproductive rights they want to get their hands in there also. to me, there is a tremendous lineup for the democrats and, obviously, some of this is a twist, particularly the last one, to really go hard at the republicans. so all of these losses to me add

up to a big potential win and chuck and nicole, i'd love to hear your view on that. >>ism not convinced of a midterm year. you know, it's interesting on immigration yesterday. the president makes a big statement on immigration and you had the hobby lobby decision. i thought it was fascinating. many more democrats running for office in 2014 wanted to talk about hobby lobby, many of them, they don't necessarily jump, particularly look at the states where the senate races are up, louisiana, north carolina and those aren't big immigration a great wedge issue there as far as democrats are concerned, so i'm not 100% convinced that is a be all end year. but when you look at this map , you know, you're not going to see mark pryor spending a lot of time advertising on immigration. >> as part of the whole puzzle, by the way. >> no, no, i hear you. in a presidential, i'd agree with you more than a midterm. >> immigration divides both parties in pretty ugly ways.

i actually agree with a lot of what president obama said yesterday. i worked for president bush in 2005 and 2006 he tried to work with senator kennedy and mccain that every person says you have to do everything at once. you have to do the border security piece and deal with the 11 million and i'm sure it's more than that people that are already here and you have to deal with the employers. then senator obama was nowhere to be found when senator kennedy was rounding up democrats to support the effort to do the comprehensive piece. i think a lot of republicans are enthused about the prospect of a jeb bush run, in part, because of his enlightened ability to talk about this issue and because of his support for comprehensive immigration reform. if it's ever to be done and it represents the only way to actually deal with this problem in a real meaningful and way that would work, you would have to have someone that was strong enough to take on elements of their own party and you'd have

to have someone that was brave enough to do a policy fix, to do a deal with members of the other party because this divides both parties. >> do you think that even jeb bush, who i think is brave enough to do that, is strong enough to go through a primary process? when we see what has happened in the primary process the last couple of months and eric cantor is one example and how they are in some districts opposed to comprehensive reform, even if the polls show the public is there, i wonder even if jeb bush could bring the party with him on this one. >> i'm not sure and i'm not sure -- i mean, if he were to decide to run, this would be the burden that he would carry through the republican primaries. this would be the biggest one. >> he tried to speak out on it and he got a lot of criticism. >> he speaks knowingly. he knows this issue and george w. bush did too. a former governor of texas, they know what these families are like and they know sending

children across the border is act of desperation to give your family a better life. >> in listening to this and chuck's excellent wrap-up summation of political inefficiency over decades with republican mantle and democratic mantle, is that basically you're talking about an extended period of time where both parties are unable to govern, to do something that they are elected to do, do their job when they go to washington and been unable or unwilling to do it. >> both pieces that both parties want. the republicans want those borders enforced. a coalition that sort of moderates and both parties and national security. after 9/11, it was national security imperative to bring everybody out of the shadows and have the thought of 11 million undocumented people living inside our borders, there was a security argument to be made to bring them out of the shadows. that has evaporated. there was an opportunity to build a coalition to get

legislation passed and no president of either party has been able to do it. >> we see time and time again anything with a pathway to citizenship is a nonstarter for a lot of people on the right and seeing that again right now. lots of reaction coming in. fast and furious yesterday. the supreme court ruling over issues of religious freedom. the nation's highest court sided with hobby lobby in a small cabinet company in their challenge to obamacare's contraception mandate. a narrow 5-4 rule with five justices siding with the companies. justice stephen breyer and three female justices formed the dissent. the company said they required to provide workers coverage for birth control. the court agreed saying small companies should not be compelled to act against their convictions adding female employees have other options.

adding justice samuel lito wrote in part. requiring their companies to arrange for such coverage the mandate demands they engage in conduct that seriously violates their religious beliefs. in a 35-page dissent, justice ruth bader ginsburg called it a decision of, quote, startling breath adding approval some religious claims and other as unworthy could be perceived as favoring one religion over another. the very risk the establishment clause was designed to preclude. the court, i fear, has ventured into a minefield. joining us from washington is supreme court reporter for bloomberg news, greg store. does this go the way you predicted it would? >> not any major surprises. it is a ideologically divided court. the court was split and it was consistent with what we heard of the argument there was skepticism about the administration's position. >> what about the other cases that are heading towards supreme

court or could be heading to the supreme court along the same lines of religious freedom? does this set a precedent do you think how the court might rule on the future of those? >> it will certainly set a precedent for other for-profit companies and a number lined up and the court may act today in those including one company interestingly enough that is opposed to all forms of contraception. not just the four forms that hobby lobby opposed. we may have another battle brewing over religious groups and this accommodation that the administration has set up that basically lets the insurance companies do the work. and companies stay out of it a and questions whether that goes far enough. >> greg, anything to the theory the twins citizens united with this decision yesterday that corporations have political rights and now religious rights as well? >> there is certainly similarity. very different issues. they are both connected to on the first amendment. the citizens united cases is

speech rights and this is religious rights and technically not under the constitution but under the freedom religion law. you can take those two data points and say they have expanded the rights of corporations and let them take on rights some people think of only personal rights. >> greg, to be clear. a lot of back and forth in our modern media age about what the decision means and what it doesn't mean. can you define in simple terms how narrow or broad this ruling really was? >> well, think back to the case two years ago. that really threatened the whole obamacare statute. this is really only a small slice of it. it doesn't affect the core of it and it only affects those companies that say they have religious objections to a particular part of the law. there aren't a whole lot of cases that warned about companies say we are opposed to

transfusions and vaccines. we haven't seen cases like that but they may crop up. it is a small slice of the law right now. as a matter of principle, very important. >> greg, thanks so much. appreciate your perspective on this this morning. >> sure. there is growing concern in iraq about two potential targets for militant fighters now. the international airport and the massive american embassy inside baghdad's green zone. both sites are getting extra protection as president obama steps up the number of american forces employed in iraq. 775 u.s. troops were sent to iraq in june. many to guard american interests there and step up surveillance of the battleground where sunni gunmen are waging war against the government. let's bring in nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel who is live in baghdad. richard, good to see you this morning. what are you seeing on the ground right now? >> reporter: well, today, we are seeing very heavy security. there is an almost curfew-like situation here in baghdad. several of the main bridges have

been closed. there are very few people out on the streets. we are seeing this extra security because, today, the iraqi parliament met and a lot of people here were hoping that there could be some sort of political solution that the iraqi political parties, the sunnis, shiites and kurds could get together and start to form a new government. washington is putting a lot of its hope you can find a political avenue out of this very violent situation we are in. what happened was there was no -- there was no political solution at all. the parliament met. they met for about an hour in total. a half of that was during for coffee breaks and after the coffee breaks and/or the small breaks, they decided to leave and didn't agree on anything except to hold another meeting a week from now. so you have this situation where you have iraq in a state of war. baghdad in a state of lockdown and the parliament suspending

its meetings after an hour of really only half an hour of actual work, accomplishing nothing. so it's not a very encouraging situation here. i think that is why you're seeing the u.s. increasingly concerned that the iraqi government, the iraqi military can't handle this situation, don't have a good grip on the situation. we are seeing more u.s. forces coming in to protect the embassy, to protect the airport. the advisers are here on the ground trying to nudge the iraqi army in its fight against isis. and some counterterrorism experts we have been speaking to think it is probably a matter of time before the u.s. starts taking some unilateral action, drones air strikes and that would require a white house decision, of course. >> richard, it's katty kay here. we have news that the kurds this morning are saying that is it, we are done and we will try to push for independent state. they think they have reached the end of the road in being part of iraq. is that what people in baked seem to think may well happen

that we are looking at the end of the state of iraq as we know it and the prospect of three separate areas? >> reporter: people don't think that it will go so smoothly. here in baghdad, this is the capital. the government town. this is the seat of power. and it is increasingly a shiite city. a lot of sunnis are leaving and a lot of kurds are afraid to have their families and possessions here in baghdad. when you talk to a lot of people here, they don't want to see the sunni regions break away, they don't want to see kurd a stan break away. a lot of anguish here. they think the quds are using this as an opportunity to steal a state and so while it might seem easy, sure, iraq just breaks apart into three separate nations.

it's not clear where those borders would be and certainly not clear whether the government in baghdad, weak and apparently incompetent as it is, is willing to let the regions break away. >> richard engel on the ground in baghdad, thanks so much. be safe as always. we will talk to you again soon. chuck, thank you as well and good luck with your belgium squad today at 4:00. >> whoa! i'm still rooting for america. don't get me wrong. come on now. come on now. >> usa. >> if you're betting belgium people and you get beer and chocolate in return with the bet, it's a pretty good deal. >> pretty easy. >> chuck is pro-u.s. but a hands across the globe kind of guy. >> that's what it is. thank you, donny. appreciate it. >> chuck todd loves america. we will look for him coming up on "the daily rundown. >> >> i wondered with all of these promises and i wondered about, you know, when -- when

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unfair reaction. you're out. hit the showers. it's the red card. your chance to play a role in how immigration policies carried out this year is over. having given ample time and space to craft legislation, you failed. >> that was democratic congressman luis gutierrez of illinois on the house fair on how they failed to act on immigration reform and handing out a red card in the spirit of the world cup. congressman gutierrez joins us now from chicago. thanks for coming on this morning. >> pleasure to be with us this morning. >> do you have any optimism that immigration will be done in the near future? chuck todd was pessimistic about it in the last segment. both houses still couldn't get it gone. what gives you optimism if you have it? >> i don't. that is why after three months

giving speeches and work. no one has worked closely than republicans than i have. when they say, hey, luis, everyone can't being a citizen right away. i didn't leave the table. when they said we had to do it in parts, i said let's put those parts together. when they said no to the senate bill, i said let's create a house bill. look. every time we said yes, they found a way to say no. i want to make this clear. there are dozens and dozens of members of the republican caucus who want to deal with this issue. they want to deal with it from a border security point of view but many of them want to deal with it because they see the depdee dee posteriortations and devastating impact on children. they don't want to see -- you know what? many of them see a permit underclass. let them join democrats. here is the craziness about this situation is that there isn't a republican who fears he is going

to lose his re-election that we need to vote for it. there are already dozens that are willing to do it and are able to go back out to their constituency and explain why they vote for -- >> where is the road block if you have these dozens of republicans in the house want to get something done, where are you running into the problem? >> i think here is the problem. you have a small group of tea party folks in the house republican majority that block. they threaten. i know what they do. they threaten speaker boehner and say you will no longer be speaker and mccarthy won't be majority whip if you allow this and their numbers are enough to cause that kind of chaos within their own ranks. look. i've seen this. mario, a congressman from florida, he did everything he could to bring together a coalition. he did a wonderful job but what he can't overcome is the fear that the leadership has of losing their positions. and i want to say to him and to

other republicans, any time at any moment that you want to sit back at the table, as you did last january when you presented a set of principles and what was the democratic response to the set of principles? thank you. welcome. we will work within the confines of your principles. but, look. when you take a humanitarian crisis on the border and you demonize and mock children it's time to issue the red card and say we are going to move on. here is what my point of view is. if you want to come back and discuss this, fine. in the interim period, i believe the president of the united states has already in statute in the law the ability to heal and put in a safe harbor millions of undocumented immigrants while the congress of the united states finally decides that it's going to take access ation. what i see is a very short-term goal of the 2014 election. what they forget is 900,000

latinos turn 18 every year and all citizens of the united states. the demographic tsunami they have to confront in 2016 is one that they can't overcome. if you want to be a party of regions you can be a party of regions but you'll never be a national party again. >> congressman, what do you expect the president to actually announce and actually do when he comes forward with his measures? >> here is what i expect. well, here is what i'd like to. we have given the president four-page memorandum of different things within the law that he can do. number one, you saw that there are 600,000 young immigrant youth that are not documented due to an executive order of the president in june of 2012. 600,000 of them. everybody is happy. their studying, they are working. why not their parents? i want to suggest one other group. there were 72,000 american citizen children who lost a mom

or a dad due to deportation. 5 million citizen children every day fear of losing their mom and dad. why can't he put mom and dads in a safe place so they can raise their children? i think that is in the national interest and that is truly family values. last, a group. we have the military already. if you're in the military and your wife is undocumented, if you're in the military and you marry somebody, an immigrants, guess what? they don't make or go back to dublin for ten years or go back to mexico or manila and don't make them leave the country ten years. the president can parol them in place and say on with your lives here is your green card and move forward. there are many things the president can do. i expect this. just as republicans have said no, no, no, i expect the president to be broad and expansive and generous in the skew of his prosecutorial decision. >> we will see what he can do.

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joe." general motors is recalling another 8.4 million vehicles worldwide as the ignition switch defect fallout continues. they will set up a fund offering at least 1 million dollars to the families of victims who died as a result of that defect. here with us now is the compensation expert hired by general motors ken feinberg who outlined the payout plan for victims's families. good to see you. >> you too. >> give me a scenario. give me a family who lost somebody. i guess gm has publicly recognized 13 deaths as a result of this ignition switch problem. how do you go about compensating

a family who lost somebody? >> do it the same way the judges and juries and courts do it in every court throughout the country. what would the victim, death or catastrophic injury or even moderate injury, what would the victim have earned but for the fact over a work life? how much economic loss as a result of the accident. add to that in a death case, for example, additional, additional at least $1 million in pain and suffering minimum. add those two numbers together and in some of these cases, $4 million, $6 million, $8 million for a death claim and some of these catastrophic injury claims, if the victim is very young, double digit millions. but only if you're eligible to file the claim. >> how many people are we talking about, ken, when you put together the families of those who died. as you mentioned catastrophic injuries, many of those as well.

how many people are we talking about in the pool here? >> we don't know how many people will actually file. the recall involved 2.6 million recalled vehicles but most of those vehicles weren't involved in accidents so we will have to see. when you build one of these programs, you guys know from bp, build it and they will come. i predict we will get claims from people driving mercedes and jaguars and people claiming it was an ignition switch failure. it's human nature. it was an ignition switch failure no matter what and we have to sort out the eligible to the ineligible here. >> what time span is involved? >> all the way back to, i think, 2003, right up until this year. >> is there a cutoff when you can file? >> december 31th of this year. we found in all of these programs, if you don't have a relatively brief period, people will procrastinate. they will wait and they will wait and they will wait and if

you extend the date, they will extend the waiting period. so you've got to have a deadline and tell people, look. it's august 1 we will begin to accept claims. send in the claim. you'll have until december 31st to file that claim and we will stay working into 2015. >> how difficult is for you personally on an emotional basis pulling together a package like this? because you can't compensate with dollars for a life. >> i'm asked all the time what is the most difficult part what have we do? 9/11, especially 9/11 but bp too. one fund boston, the marathon. it's meeting one-on-one with families who lost loved ones and you try and empathize and try to listen what they say. very few families come to me to

talk about money. they either come to vent why, why me, mr. feinberg? why my daughter? what did we ever do to deserve this? or they come to validate the memory of a lost loved one. he was an angel. he was such a success. he was my pride and joy. very rarely do people want the opportunity to talk about compensation opinion gentlemen you want to have somebody listen to their tales of woe. >> with you talk about the connection and the symbolism of the money? i think, to a person, every single person who benefits from these funds would take back their loved one's life and give back all the money, but can you talk about, you know, in our system, there really isn't another way and a lot of families i know start foundations with the money. can you talk about the money as just a piece of the justice, a piece of what they get, a way to build something in tribute and honor?

i think sometimes this gets boiled down to dollars and formulas but this is always about a life. >> you're absolute right about that. absolutely. the money is small solace to these people. although i must say it's the american system. >> right. >> the compensation, at least provides them some certainty. their life is just adrift, a traumatic horror like this, a tragedy, but the money at least, in addition to some financial stability, provides a degree of certainty. at least we know one answer to this puzzle. the rest of with we wade on and try to do our best but the money can really help but if you don't file, i can't process the claim. and reaching these people, many of whom are distraught and emotional, getting them to file their claim so we can try and help them and avoid the last-second rush that is part of the challenge. >> ken, real quick. so heart warming to hear they don't want to talk about money,

they want to talk about their loss and their validation. is there also talk about revenge, criminal investigations? somebody has to pay beyond money for this? the human aspect of that? >> i don't hear much about that. i tell claimants and lawyers if you're seeking revenge, if you want gm as the target, punitive damages, my fund can't help you. punitive damages are a legal concept based in trying to finger blame or the u.s. attorney doing investigations. this program, much to gm's credit, i must say, just like blood pressure's credit, much to gm's credit, this program is aimed at helping the victims, compensation. >> why isn't there more of this conducted in this country legally? we leave a huge burden on many court systems throughout this country in the tort system. >> it's not the american way. joe nicera wrote this about in "the new york times."

answering your question. he wishes that there were more of these funds. >> yeah. >> the fact of the matter is 9/11, bp, and now gm, you can put on one hand the public policy opportunity to opt out of the conventional legal system and try and set up a special program for expeditious speedy policies. why just these people and not somebody else. >> you can start filing claims on august 1st, a month from today, through december 31st. for more about this, visit gmignition.com. k ken, thanks for coming in. >> thank you. >> brett favre made headlines with his political ad for thad

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♪ hi. my name is harry belafonte. i'm an artist and i'm not a politician. i'm sitting here with senator jack kennedy. i'm voting for the senator. how about you? >> folks, when you get to be as young as i am, you call it like you see it. that's why i'm supporting david jolly for congress. >> i've learned through football is that that strong leadership can be the difference between winning and losing. i encourage you to stand with a proven and respected leader thad cochran. >> mike is a principle authentic senator. >> chuck doesn't endorse.

he tells america how it's going to be. >> chuck norris. here with us from washington is chief national correspondent for "the new york times" magazine and national treasurer mark leibovich. he writes this about celebrity endorsement in politics. the particular value of an individual endorsement has never been clear. many so-called keepers of the narrative have concluded that ted kennedy's support of barack obama signaled that it was okay for traditional liberals to vote against the clintons but did mike huckabee win the iowa caucuses in 2008 because of chuck norris support? in the era of twitter and 24/7 news cycle you never know which endorsement might take off. so, mark, this is a tough one. it's kind of fun to watch brett favre talk about thad cochran, unclear how much weight it carries. what did your investigation find? generally, do these things matter? >> my deep investigation into this is usually they don't matter.

brett favre actually has studied the is not appropriations process very -- actually it's a joke. no. basically, the point is in this day and age, people are throwing any one of these endorsements against the wall and you never know which one is going to stick. in mississippi, apparently, according to what a lot of very smart people say, this actually went a long way and this was all over the air waves in the final days and supposedly, you know, it might have turned out some support for thad cochran. but you just never know. >> why did candidates seek them out so aggressively? if they don't matter and i think you're probably right, they don't tip the balance in any real way, request yis it important for a candidate to find a chuck norris or brett favre or whoever it is? >> partly, because they are there. we have so much space to fill to blow into the noise machine now. if you're on any number of e-mail lists or twitter feeds every day so and so supports so

and so and i do think it becomes a big blur. it's quirky. brett favre is different. chuck norris is difference. and i guess it does sort of break through the does break th saneness you get in our politics every day and can be somewhat effective. >> i think for democrats i always advise them to stay away. oh, you're the party of hollywo hollywood. this is one place where the americans draw the line and say, no, i don't listen to a celebrity to say when i vote. i think it's either a negative or nonstarter. >> here is why campaigns do it. you and the media consume it. when oprah winfrey campaigned for -- >> oprah is kind of a different -- >> for president obama, it was kind of tear feig for us on the mccain campaign. former campaign operative at the

table, i'm willing to give up celebrity endorsements if you all are willing to stop covering them. >> why not do it? the chances of them backfiring and causing people not to vote for su minimal. >> i think that's the thought behind it. why not? you did talk about a towering exception, which is when the celebrities backfire, and someone like clint eastwood sort of goes rogue, like he did. and a celebrity will say things that the candidate and campaign will have to back away from and cause all kinds of unintended headaches. no, look, it's part of the celebrity that everyone sort of finds themselves in. people don't differentiate between the politicians and the endorsers and the football players. >> mark, i know you spent nearly a year now, researching and reporting. >> actually, it's three years. >> phd. >> let me ask you, do you think the market matters, the market

where this endorsement appears, does it matter? let's take new hampshire, scott brown, running for the united states senate. celebrities probably classified it a little different in new hampshire than in manhattan. do you think the market matters? >> clearly. brett favre, in mississippi, he is a state -- i mean, from the state. he is very well-known in the state. one of the great athletes to ever come out of the state. if you put brett favre in new hampshire endorsing scott brown it probably won't go a long way. all politics are local. in the case of celebrity endorsements, the market and the context accounts for a lot also. >> another classic liebo peach. >> i should brand that. >> how would chuck norris vote? >> i like how you snuck chuck woolery in. >> it's in the piece.

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it's 8:00 on the east coast. 5:00 am on the west coast. wake up and take a live look at new york city. on set, mike barnicle, donny deutsch, nicolle wallace. >> july 4th is coming up. barbecue barbecues. >> you come. >> if i was -- >> take his plate. >> for that barbecue, nachos, a

good nacho recipe, where would i find that? >> i don't know if we can access it or not but my young friend, mr. geist, he is a nacho efficianado. >> this is a good bit here they're doing. >> you have it. >> what's your recipe? >> it's right there. >> tell us, though. >> you take the individual scoop, frito-lay and put the stuff in each little individual one so it's not a heaping mess of nachos. >> i heard you and your people negotiated for about a year for this thing. you were very -- they wanted you to use a certain kind of salsa. >> i had to give up a lot in this deal. >> willie, i don't know if you can confirm it or not. i heard you had terms where if you're going to put your hand in the shot you wanted your hand photo shopped to look as slender as possible? >> that's a model actually. it's not even my hand. >> delicious. they look beautiful. little okra, do you really use

that or -- >> no, that's a pepper up top. >> ah. >> is there a graphic we can put up if people want to write in for that recipe? >> you didn't embarrass me the right way. there's another page with a photograph of me, kathie lee and hoda, which would have been much, much worse. front page of "the post." stephen colbert, an eagle swooping in on a soccer ball. and front page here, where are we going? belgium they have a good team, unfortunately. undefeated team. >> really? we talked about this yesterday leading up to it, supreme court voting on religious freedom and women's reproductive rights. they sided with hobby lobby. it was a narrow 5-4 ruling, five

male conservative justices siding with companies. the government forced them to violate their christian beliefs by requiring they provide workers' coverage by providing birth control or be fined. the court ruled that female employees have other options under obama care to obtain contraception. justice samuel alito wrote, in part, as we have noted the company has a sincere religious belief that life begins at conception. ruth bader ginsburg called it a decision, approved some religious claims while deeming others unworthy of accommodation

could be perceived favoring one religion over another. the court, i fear, has ventured into a mine field. former skt hillary clinton calls it deeply disturbing and says it sets a dangerous precedent. >> there may be companies who may be closely held that certain people don't believe in blood transfusion. that's a belief that certain religions hold. this is a really bad, slippery slope. >> we've sifted through this a little bit. i think it went the way a lot of people predicted it would before yesterday. what's your takeaway. >> this is a new legal precedent from the first time, extending a sort of religious identity, religious set of rights to some types of companies, some types of corporations. these are for-profit corporations, not churches or religious groups. what that means in lawyer land is that they get exemptions that

most corporations still follow and most individuals follow. a lot of people talk about this as religious freedom. it certainly is that. this is first and foremost a case about capitalism. if you're an employee or normal person you don't have more rights than you did yesterday. if you're one of the lucky few who happens to operate or run a company, you have more freedom, in the sense that you can be exempt from certain laws and the way you run your company. >> so, ari, at any point is it an extension of citizens united, supreme court decision on fund-raising, what constitutes who can get money, does it extend citizens united into religious? >> that's a great point. i think it does in logic but not in law. the court was very careful not to cite citizens united here, not to put this in the context of political speech. we, as reporters, definitely can understand the fact that sometimes this sort of fiction of corporate personhood makes sense. if you work at a newspaper, there are first amendment rights located in the company that run the newspaper that are distinct

from your individual first amendment rights as a citizen. this has been around for a while. what is new, as you are alluding to, beyond that mechanism where humans speak through corporations, we're now saying that the corporation itself has a religious identity. that is a shock to a lot of people because it is weird. >> mike's point, which is a great one, is it is the same inane argument that corporations -- corporations are people, like you and i, which is absurd. basically a corporation lives within the laws and the rights and the protections and the tax protections of being a corporation of everyday business of making money but now all of a sudden and get to turn and say we act like a person. we are allowed to have beliefs and live by those beliefs and you can't have it both ways. this is a very disturbing, although very narrow ruling. but it does, completely to me, draw a straight line back to citizenship. >> justice alito wrote for the majority, used by human beings

to achieve desired ends. so, again, a corporation is a group of people. >> but it's not a human being. they stand and get protect bid the rights of corporations. >> do you think it opens the door to religious claims, other religiously based lawsuits become like a cottage industry? >> absolutely. the client says i have a bunch of big plans. the client says what can i do? well, we can put solar panels on your roof to get you tax deduction. that's good lawyering. they've invited the entire corporate bar in to figure out how to use this stuff. the logic doesn't stop with these closely held firms. once you open the door and say if this is sincerely held religious beliefs, and i don't doubt that they are, why doesn't it apply to mid-size or large firms? at a certain point you have a lot of religion being brought

into the board room. up until yesterday, we said in corporate law you have these rights, we have great religious protections but they stop at the level of human beings and never extended them into the board room. >> hobby lobby covers 16 of the 20 available contraceptives. there are four that they object to on religious grounds and simply shouldn't be compelled to have to pay for them for their employees and that was upheld yesterday. >> that hostility with which this decision was greeted in the mainstream media is stunning. this is a decision about a company that, as you say, covers 16 forms of birth control pills. they were uncomfortable covering two. and the court upheld their religious liberty. to the degree that people still value religious liberty in this country, it is completely blind in the media to understand how deeply held that value is.

people in this country, outside of maybe the new england media corridors, still believe that religious liberty is an essential american value. >> but, nicole, nobody -- >> hang on. let me finish my point. what the court protect ed was a company's right to -- yes, while they cover contraception, 16 different birth control pills, the two that made them uncomfortable, that felt like they violated their values, they can now be covered by the government. which, by the mandate set forth in obama care, alito wrote in his opinion that the government can now pay for the birth control pills that hobby lobby wasn't comfortable paying for. so, i think that republicans should learn from this. to the degree they celebrate this decision, they should be on the grounds of religious liberties that protect it and not go down this rabbit hole of the debate about contraception, because it's a loser. >> don't you think, nicole, you get "the new york times" there -- i don't know if you

read their -- >> i have ""the wall street journa journal". this is what we read, mikey. >> don't you think it's really rooted in what happens in the elections this fall with the united states senate? >> of course. >> if the republicans gain control of the senate, the president of the united states, barack obama, has a very good shot of getting another supreme court nominee through that senate. >> absolutely. and i think what we saw, how the issue is going to play in the election after that. they're always interesting. to the degree democrats are almost desperate to turn this into a political issue immediately, those are the politics. >> nicole, two points. it's very easy to give the argument about religious freedom and liberty. >> it's easy because that's what the case was about. >> no. to me, the case is a little bit different. we all celebrate that. i celebrate a woman's right to choose or somebody's right to feel badly about that and not

let her choose. but this is a corporation that lives and gleans the benefits of being a corporation in america and everything that comes with it. and you don't get to pick and choose where you say, i want to be protected as a corporation, but i don't want to do this as a corporation. and that, to me, is the argument. and going into the election, i think this is an opportunity for the democrats to just continue the war on women -- and it is a twist on it. to your point, that's not really what it's about. but i can make it about that. and i think this decision is going to backfire on the republicans if the dems play it right. >> one if, you're sitting in the pews, this does nothing for you. it's for 1% of people who own and run companies. it doesn't help religious employees. that will become clearer as the rhetoric fades away. no one ever thought it protected a corporation. you have the court swooping in and saying we know better than congress. you must have meant to protect

corporations. and they say, listen, it was about protecting people. that's the type of activism that's pretty interesting. >> a law that bill clinton signed. >> that's right. growing concern in iraq about two potential targets for militant fighters, massive american embassy inside baghdad's green zone as well as the airport. president obama stepping up the number of american forces deployed inside iraq. 775 u.s. troops sent to iraq in june, many to guard american interests there, to step up surveillance of the battleground where sunni gunmen are waging war against the government. as richard engel reports, the threat posed by the terror group extends far beyond the middle east. >> reporter: isis has ambition. the threat from isis to american interests is, quote, extremely high. they say isis is developing

advanced bomb-making skills. and cultivating a roster of foreign suicide bombers who could target the u.s. and europe, and they're bragging about it. this fighter, claiming to be from chile says iraq and syria are just the beginning. isis puts out daily propaganda, showing its brutal attacks. the videos can't be independently verified, but the intentions are clear. >> we are going for you, barack obama. >> the holy grail for these groups are to strike in the west, attacks in london, attacks in the united states. this is what they strive for. and more and more, this is a concern of u.s. intelligence. >> reporter: there is one saving grace, isis, savidge and

intolerant is losing support wherever it goes. they expressed disdain for the group. they are heated and many sunnis agree. by being so bold, perhaps overconfident, isis has created a lot of enemies, not just between iraqis. you have to be euniquely unpopular to have hezbollah and israel, syrian regime and syrian rebels, the u.s. and iran up against you. they've carved out a safe haven in the heart of the middle east that may now be the most dangerous sanctuary in the world. >> joining us from washington, national security analyst, former director of the national counterterrorism center. we just heard you say in that report there are designs for

attacks in the west, whether it's london, new york city and beyond. what are the risks right now -- we see president obama putting more troops on the ground, that the u.s. is drawn back into iraq in some form or another? >> willie, there's no doubt when americans look at this, most just say, gosh, i don't care about iraq anymore. what they need to understand is that isis and other rebel groups in syria pose a real threat to the united states. and that's because these groups now have people, they've got safe haven. they've got money and increasingly they have expertise. and they have always had the commitment to attacking the west. so, they may now well control western iraq, eastern syria. but ultimately some of these groups' goal is to attack aircraft or attack cities in london, new york, the rest of the united states and the west. and it's a very, very significant concern. i would say as much, if not more, than the concern we get from looking at groups in yemen

and pakistan today. >> with the exception of osama bin laden's personal -- have we ever had access to financial resources the way they've collected them over the past three or four weeks, as isis has? and what would the usage of such money be employed to? >> that's a good point. we really have. bin laden probably put some of his own money in but it's not nearly as much as they have now. estimates are that isis has $2 billion, that's with a b. that's even real money to donny. >> everyone. >> they stole probably up to $400 million from an iraqi bank and through kidnapping and controlling borders, these guys are really a state in terms of funds. what they can use that for is a couple of things. one, recruits. they can pay people to come and fight. if they can pay more than the other rebel groups, that's where

people will go and fight. they can buy different weapons, finance operations outside. it's from that safe haven in that region that we, of course, are very concerned that they're going to reach outside. because they have fighters from the west, 10,000-plus fighters in syria today from western nations -- people who could travel easily back to europe and the u.s., that's why we're especially concerned. still ahead, on the same day as it announced a payout to victims as a result of its faulty ignition switches, gm recalls millions more vehicles. how much that will cost the company. nightmare nanny. why she's saying she wasn't the problem, the family was. we promise to keep you updated on that story. >> it's a big story. >> it is, in one producer's mind. how to find success in both your personal and professional life. it's a question of who, not how. first, bill karins with a check of the forecast. >> he's a bad man.

>> bad. just bad. good morning, everyone. the reason they're saying that, they know i'm going to ruin some people's plans on the beaches up and down the coast. let's talk about our tropical depressi depression, trying to become tropical storm arthur, first named storm of the atlantic hurricane season just off the florida coast. it's only 50 miles out to sea. there's not a lot to the northern side of the storm. if you're in central or northern florida, you're like, what storm? south of there, west palm beach, a lot of lightning and heavy rain. it's a lopsided storm i wouldn't expect a lot of it to fall over the land areas. most of the wet weather is out to sea. but on the beaches rough surf and rip currents at the beaches. it will be breezy, too. forecast tracking the storm center gets very close to north carolina, skirts the coast dls line and up and into nova scotia. we still have to watch the outer

banks, north carolina and cape cod because they both stick far out into the atlantic. a zoomed in spot to show the impacts along the immediate midatlantic coast. friday at 2:00 am, we could have hurricane arthur. that's the official forecast, somewhere very close to camp lejeune there, outer banks of north carolina, including wilmington, all the way up to cape hatteras. if there's anywhere we could get damage it would be there. otherwise, large waves up to the north. the other huge story was the wind storm that swept right across the midwest. this wind storm probably did more damage than this hurricane ever will on the east coast. when the sears tower got struck by lightning, we saw those pictures. happens couple of times a year but it's still incredible to watch and see. stories of flooding. mississippi river will be a top five all-time flood through areas of illinois. all eyes on the east coast. we leave you with a shot of

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all right. let's take a look at some of the morning papers. the wa "the wall street journal" israeli forces are hammering palestinian target this is morning after three teenagers were found dead in the west bank. today, there were ground assaults backed by dozens of air strikes nearly three weeks after the teens were abducted, their bodies were found yesterday not far from where they went missing. hamas, which the u.s. considers

a terror group, has not claimed responsibility. although president netanyahu has placed blame squarely on that group. general motors is recalling another 8.4 million vehicles worldwide as the ignition switch defect fallout continues. this year, gm has issued three dozen recalls, impacting nearly 30 million vehicles worldwide. the automaker also announced plans to set up a fund offering at least $ million to families of the victims who died as a result of the ignition switch default. 90% of claims are expected to be settled through fund. >> this is incredible. talking about 30 million vehicles. at what point does this take a bite out of their brand? >> in a strange way, i think they're doing everything right. you need to press the reset button. go back and look at toyota. it was a disaster. people have short memories. they are doing what they have to do, taking the bull by the reins. whether you think it's good news

or bad news, they're doing the right thing. there's no way to hedge this at this point. you have to go like this and then start over. i think they will be fine long term. obviously, the tragedy is the families. >> exactly. the daily mail. nightmare nanny is speaking out and is now claiming she's the real victim -- >> of course she is. >> -- of this household dispute. >> duh. >> working 24/7 without lunch breaks, coffee breaks or holidays, being exploited by the fami family, she was hired as a live-in nanny this last march. she is currently sleeping in the car while her belongings remain in the house. >> where is the car, do you figure? >> the driveway. >> on our way to the house as we speak. >> stakeout. >> has his own panel. >> this is your peabody. >> i think we should go all homeland and put in monitoring devices, cameras. >> we could do that. i'm sure it's in the budget. >> you ran a clip yesterday of the woman padlocking the

refrigerator. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> sometimes you just have to let it flow over people again and again. i don't know why -- >> do we have that clip? if not we'll bring it back for you. >> parade of papers, do you like the parade of papers? >> yeah. >> okay. let's do the parade of papers. after much thought and paper, mcallister says he is not done with washington and will run for another term. he said he would not run again after he was caught kissing a staffer after winning a special election last year. he is married with five children. the kiss apparently lasted five months. >> you're just glad you didn't have accuracy at deutsch, inc, when you were running the show. correct? >> yes, correct. >> thank you. >> correct. >> ow! rob ford is back to work after two months of, quote, intensive rehab therapy. the toronto mayor apologized for

his behavior, asking for forgiveness, saying the staff at the treatment facility saved his life. >> after experiencing some of the darkest moments in my life, i decided that enough was enough. i had become my own worst enemy. when i look back on some of the things i said and some of the things i did when i was using, i'm ashamed, embarrass ed and humiliated. i was wrong and i have no one,

but no one to blame but myself. >> mayor ford did not take questions. he returns to office, still stripped of most of his powers as mayor. he has four months to convince voters he is reformed and capable of fulfilling another term as toronto mayor. a recent poll has him in second place, trailing the front-runner by seven points. 58% say they would prefer mayor ford resign immediately. >> no. olivia chow, rob ford? come on. >> i feel this picture is unfair. >> that's an editorial misjudgment right there. >> it is. that's terrible. with us now, chief white house correspondent for politico, who has the playbook. >> good morning on the first day of july. >> it is, indeed. vice president dick cheney and his daughter, liz, have been making their rounds on tv. why is politico calling it the cheney recovery tour? >> well,e, when liz cheney was

run i running for senate in wyoming, she was running against senator mike enzie, a friend of the cheneys. now they're trying to make up. a recent off-the-record dinner between the vice president at the adams hotel here with a former reagan official gop operatives and included in the guest list that night were people who were supporters of senator enzie. liz cheney is back. they're starting a group alliance for a strong american to try to change from the very partisan approach she had taken in her campaign, to go back to the cheney brand on a strong, more hawkish national defense. the advivice president has offe to help the rnc and senate republicans in raising money for the elections ahead. and all of this is part of building the possibility of a future elective career for liz cheney. senator rob portman, very close

to the cheneys, has told liz he thinks she has a lot to offer. and "morning joe" contributor told liz if she wants to be governor of wyoming, senator from wyoming or congressman from there, that she could achieve that. all of this is part of putting the cheneys back to where they were and as part of their tour on july 14th, playbook lunch. we'll have three cheneys. the vice president, his wife, lynne cheney and liz cheney will be all together on playbook lunch. >> thanks, mike. business before the bell is next on "morning joe."

time now for business before the bell with cnbc's sara eisen. a shortened workweek, at least on wall street. >> kicking off july with record highs. two economic releases we'll be watch here today, auto sales will be trickling out throughout the day for the month of june. may with his a very strong month. june is expected to be higher as well, but not as strong as may was. everybody will be looking at gm's numbers specifically to see if all those millions of recalls will be having an impact on

sales, which they really haven't so much before. gm is still a top seller in this country. read on manufacturing at 10:00 am. that's been one of the healthier parts of the u.s. economy, recovering swiftly. it is expected to rise for a fifth month in a row. we'll see about those data points. interestingly, southwest could be a mover today, going international for the first time. it can no longer call itself the biggest domestic airline. as of today, it will be flying to aruba and montego bay, jamaica, from atlanta, baltimore and orlando. >> donny is interested. >> yeah. jetblue does it. i also wanted to mention the drama behind american apparel. i don't know if you've been following this one. ceo and chairman doug charney, always controversial and colorful character, was kicked out. he owns 27% of this company. and reports are he is building

up his stake to almost 50% of the company so he can take it back. we'll see how this one plays out. the company certainly is fighting him back. it's very public. it's still a small stock and it's under enormous pressure. >> sar yai, videos of him dancing naked with employees, how does he recover from that? >> you know, i don't know. that could have something to do with why he forced him out. >> says you. >> time heals all. >> maybe he gets a good pr representative. clearly the company doesn't want him there anymore. >> he should be quoting donny. >> it's all about good pr. >> no, don't say it. >> save it for the commercial. >> cnbc's sara eisen, always good to see you. how surrounding yourself with the right people may be the most important decision. i'm looking at donny. may be the most important decision of your life. keep it locked on "morning joe." back after this.

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being perfect is not about that scoreboard out there. it's not about winning. it's about you and your relationship to yourself and your family and your friends. being perfect is about being able to look your friends in the eye and know that you didn't let them down because you told them the truth, and that truth is that you did everything that you could. there wasn't one more thing that you could have done. >> that was the scene from the 2004 movie "friday night lights" with its take on what it takes to succeed on and off the field.

joining us now, claudio fernandez arous, author of the book "it's not the how or the what but the who," succeed with surrounding yourself with the best. it's interesting, because i -- when i was going to college, i had the lowest s.a.t. scores and grades but i had a lot of potential. and you say potential is what one should look for, when looking for talent? >> exactly, mika. i think we are watching the dawn of a new age. the first age lasted millenia. the pyramids, fight a war. this still sub consciously is in our issues. the ceos in the u.s., what does that have to do with -- second age was based after the industrial revolution, experience, performance, iq.

third age is the current era, which is based in competence. you would decompose a job and look for people that would fit. but what i want to say is today i think more important than this is looking for potential. why? in this volatile, uncertain world, you don't know what jobs will look like in the future. you want people who are able to fundamentally change and grow and be able to perform in the future at high levels in jobs that we are not familiar with yet today. >> do you put data aside? how do you -- can you give me an example of what you're talking about? >> of course. when you are searching for a person for a job, even if you look for someone who has all the right qualifications, in a world that changes so much because of technology, because of geopolitical changes, that person wouldn't be able to perform well in the years to come. one wha got you here won't allow you to stay there.

that's why you're searching for potential, someone's ability to grow and change. the second reason why potential is so important is that there will be a shortage in the coming years, three reasons. globalization, demographics and deplete depleted -- there is not enough talent in the right places of the world in the right age bracket. we need to properly develop them on helping them go as far and as fast as they possibly can. >> you adapted the title from this book from a phrase by jeff basos, ceo of amazon.com. >> yeah. >> famously used to say you can't manage it if you can't measure it. how do you measure potential? what are the objectives you should be looking for? >> five hallmarks. the right motivation. this blend of fierce commitment together with a person of

humility. hunger and humility. curiosity. why do little children grow and learn so much? they are curious. they experiment they get feedback. in addition to curiosity, you need insight. people who are able to connect the dots, to separate the noise from the signal. third, you need engagement, people who are able to engage minds and hearts and finally, you need determination, people who are willing to work and work hard towards demanding goals in good times and bad. the right moisks, insight, engagement, and determination. >> you talk about surrounding yourself with the best. that's important. you rise higher or you are risen up by those that are around you. >> of course. the title of the book comes not just from a phrase from jeff besos who said when you start, all your questions are about

how, how do i plan? how do i get organized? but then he said you won't become a billionaire by becoming 10% marginally better in planning. you should move from how to what type of business to be in. he had the genius of introducing electronic retail for books and a complex -- but when you're at the helm, all your questions are not about how. you don't do it yourself. not even the what, because you are not smart enough. you are all about who, who will be the people who will help you identify the most traattractive ones. choosing people well is key, which is our spouses, our friends, but the problem is for making these decisions we have the wrong brain. our brain is full of biases that move us to surround ourselves with people familiar with us, with whom we feel comfortable. and this is exactly the opposite of what you need today. >> challenge yourself? >> challenge yourself. be aware about your bias. realize if you want to

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your tv in your excitement and then there's the little sliver you're still getting the live reaction, world cup reaction again. >> beyonce beginning to rule the entertainment world, taking the top spot on forbes new list of 100 most powerful celebrities. she's been on this list since 2004, but this is the first time at being number one. how did she do it? beyonce is currently on a massive tour with her husband, jay-z, reportedly bringing in an average of $2.4 million a city. >> god. >> yeah. she dropped that surprise self-titled album to itunes, which broke records. there was no you be pit. it just showed up. lebron james number two, dr. dre number three and oprah fell from the top spot to number four, followed by ellen degeneres. beyonce also beat out her husband, came in at number six. >> that has to be rather awkward. >> i imagine someone is bringing in $2.4 million per show, you

forgive them. >> did we ever figure out what that elevator thing was about, with her sister? >> that stuff happens. >> do you want to share? >> action news is preparing a report. we'll have it at 9:01. >> chuck todd has it. >> yes. >> now to the white house, we'll answer your question. you had asked this in the commercial break and the bedazzled headband. >> you made me nervous. i ask a lot of questions in the commercial break. >> the best part of the show happens in the commercial break. >> that is the show. >> check out what the president said while acknowledging his pastry chef, bill, who attend this had event with his partner. >> we call bill the crust master because his pies -- i don't know what he does, whether he puts crack in them or -- but -- >> no, he doesn't. there is no crack in our pies.

>> i like seeing the president like that. >> that's a good moment for the first lady. >> every man can be, you know, sort of edited by their wife in a way that makes them related. >> just cracked a joke. his guard was down. >> the straight woman right there, michelle obama, making sure they know there is no crack in the white house pies. what was with the had had headband? >> stylish. >> bring it on. >> '20s. she looks great. >> getting dressed in the morning. this is how we do it when we're racing for "morning joe." viral video of a man who put on his pants in less than 20 seconds, no hands, mom. ♪

>> i did that just this morning. >> barnicle? >> yeah. you can't put your shoes on first. >> so cynical. just let the art flow. >> it's all in the hips. >> are those pants or jegings? ladies? >> you have to be careful not to hurt your back. >> those appear to be jegings. >> i hurt my back this morning. >> hip action. what, if anything, did we learn today other than mike can put his pants on with no hands? new private sector jobs... making new york state number two in the nation in new private sector job creation... with 10 regional development strategies

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here we go. what have we learned today? i want to start with nicolle wallace. >> donny is applying for nih funding to further his study into republican and democratic sex. >> correct. >> mike barnicle? >> it's critically important to have 45-minute delay when donny is on. >> that's true. there's no delay right now. >> i learned that you cannot trust mike barnicle when he tells you that he can put his trousers on without his hands. >> come on. >> it will be on afternoon mojo. >> we got a visual.

this is the willie nacho recipe with hoda. notice the hand, dear friend. she has serious boyfriend, willie is happily married but there is a hand on willie and -- >> very tender. >> something very familiar, like they're going through hoda to kiss. >> just cooking. >> great news right there. >> we have learned -- all right. this is the end of the show. if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." but what time is it now? >> right now, it's time for our old pal, chuck todd. chuck, take it away. >> tame as it ever was, president obama plans as much immigration action as he can, without congress. but can he really do that much? and does anyone think it will break any log jam in the house? also this morning, the high court handed down a narrow decision that still took everyone to their talking points. find out how the hobby