day at 2:00 p.m. eastern. joy reid gets tonight's last word. thank you, joy. >> thanks, lawrence. >> border wars, let's play "hardball." >> good evening. let's start with the growing humanitarian in political crisis. along the u.s./mexico bored per. inundated by an influx of minors who have been coming in since october. president obama is pleading with immigrants not to send their children to the border. his message, even if they make it, they will be sent back.

things have been made worse by gridlock in washington with republicans officially killing any hopes for immigration reform on the ground that they cannot trust the president. an issue that could hand the white house to democrats on a silver platter in 2016. hardly quiet in the west either. president obama facing an agitated hispanic base who blame him for deportation. things got scary yesterday when crowds of anti-immigration protesters surrounded three buss that were attempting to transport roughly 140 undocumented immigrant to a processing center in southern california. what followed was a tense standoff between police ordering the crowd to disburse and activist refusing to step aside and chanting thing like, go home. we don't want you here. tensions simmering. buses gave up and turned around. the situation growing more tense.

you might see more in the column of "usa today." the federation for american immigration reform, dan, you're one of those groups that's been sort of hitting the president from the right on immigration. look, whatever side you're coming from on this, when you look at all of these issues and problems relating to immigration right now in this country, doing nothing is not going to resolve or improve the situation. so specifically, what is it that you want the president and congress to go. >> nothing in this immigration bill would fix anything we see at the border. it creates a process of smuggling to abuse the process and it -- >> okay. but specifically, let's start with the children at the border.

children here. try to bring them to the processing facility. are you just saying that turn around, send them home, that it, no questions asked, no hearings. >> ultimately the executive has broad emergency powers. they need to hold hearings and patriot people within hours. young aliens need to be released within 72 hours to hhs or a family member or guardian. but this kind of crisis was never envisioned. it is very foreseeable that if you set up a loophole, smuggling operations will figure out how to take advantage of it. we believe the president has authority under the immigration law to declare an immigration emergency. now, the aclu and other organizations want to have the procedural process. it will take years, effectively names no one goes home.

we have 12 million people here illegally. now there are judges moved into emergency proceedings. the rest of the control apparatus is crumbling around our ears. >> i want to have you respond to that. so, saying basically get them out of here in within three days. there's an argument to be made here looking at where the children are coming from. the country they're coming from this isn't there an amnesty argument we are talking about? >> well, not necessarily amnesty -- >> asylum, excuse me. >> they could be eligible for temporary protective status, refugee status, asylum. we will see how that plays out. aside from that, there's another complication. the u.s. has international agreements all over the world specifically relating to children and asylum and

refugees. even if the president was granted authority to send these children home, we couldn't do it without being in -- >> what do you say so that? the united states existed for so long. this is a place that people fleeing troubled spots around the world, they can come to the united states and it will save their lives, literally. isn't that condition when you look at some of the countries. >> this is obviously a manipulated crises. he needs to insure the american people -- >> manipulated crisis? >> cartels and smuggling operations want the border patrol to change diapers and be distract sewed they can run drugs through the border. it is not normal for young people to come across the border unaccompanied. nothing about the situation in central america so radically changed that it would represent a major crisis of that kind.

ultimately the president created the crisis by sending the message around the world, we will pass a big amnesty law. if you are young, you won't have to leave. he is talking about more executive unilateral executive action. you can't expect people around the world to not take advantage of it. >> first of all, this whole narrative, it is true that cartels are promoting disinformation information to facilitate kids getting here. but to the notion that it is the fault of the obama administration is false. these are kids who are five, six, seven, eight. they don't know one thing about our immigration system. they just did what their parent told them to do because their parent are so desperate for them

to get a better shot at leaving a safe and productive leave. it is interesting because he was just saying he wants the president to take unilateral action. at the same time, he is sighing in the president does something, it is in violation. >> i go want to ask you this, the argument here about, you know, not just sending the kids back, it does raise the question, if they are writing a substantial number, in this country permanently, how do you say no to the next wave or the wave after that? >> that the challenge our president has right now. i think it is an evolving situation. i think he is doing the right thing. going to congress, threading the needle between what he can do on its own and working with the governments in central america. we have to attack that part of the problem as well. on the republican side, they

aren't doing anything other than finger upon thing, grand standing, blaming the president for the situation. and to me, when i see images at people yelling at the bus, i think pretty much most reasonable people agree with me, that's not america. that's not who we are as a nation. that's a group of misguided people. and in texas, because it is south texas, that's the largest point of entry for unaccompanied minors. in dallas, this is reported in the dallas morning news, flooded with charitable offers. and these are not necessarily -- >> there are people against this. they are children running for their lives. >> the problem is, congress set up a specific law that has an elaborate process for children and public education, health care, housing.

how does this crisis help public education, help american people meet their domestic priorities. we cannot be the last resort for all of the world's displeased and distressed. >> it is time to stop playing politics with our immigration policy. >> i want to broaden the conversation here. the crisis on the border is forced president obama to denounce the influx of undocumented children. this is the president with abc news on friday. >> once the kids are across the border, there is a certain way to process them, take care of them, before we send them back. >> so the message is don't come? >> our message absolutely is don't send your children unaccompanied on trains or through a bunch of smugglers. that's our direct message.

do not send your children to the borders. if they do make it, they will be sent back. more importantly, they may not make it. >> monday, he doubled down on that message. >> children that survive it will be taken care of when they go through the legal process. but most probable, that process is them being sent back home. i've sent a clear message to parents in countries, not to put their kids through this. this is not a situation where the children are slipping through. they are being apprehended. >> the context is the president has been saying and he said it this week. it congress doesn't turn around and act on immigration reform, he will act on it on his own, to the extent he thinks he has that power. what is your solution when you look at immigration crisis? look at millions of people who

are undocumented. >> keep in mind, bill clinton understood this. nothing is more devastating politically to an administration than the appearance of loss of control of the national borders. is bill clinton with his mishandling of detainees, clinton understood this. the cclu and others -- >> the way i ask this, is the millions already here, at the heart of immigration reform. what will you do with the -- >> what do you -- >> we're not going to achieve a political solution until we address, how do you have few cure control. it depends ultimately on the reform -- >> to answer your question -- >> many people here need to be deported or encouraged to go home.

>> might be allowed to stay under certain conditions. you have to craft a compromise that -- >> isn't that what immigration reform is, though? >> no. what passed senate, what made the whole situation worse, that's why the house won't bring it up. legislative policy disaster. if your only solution is accommodate everyone that wants to come in, pass the bill. but if you want enforceable limits, you have to start over in 2015. >> very quickly. >> steve, you're asking mr. sign for a solution. doesn't seem to have one other than more deportations. that's a disaster for the republicans. obviously, some kind of comprehensive reform. barring that, it may be not perfect. not per permanent. but at least it's action. that's what the american people want. and just fyi, mr. stein represent a group on the radical fringe, dubbed a hate group from the law center. that's where he's coming from.

>> we like the idea that immigration control can help the country grow. but name calling and smears won't advance the agenda. let's all work together to solve the immigration crisis. >> appreciate it. coming up, tough new poll has news for president obama. plus, 50 years ago, the immigration act signed. why is it that the civil rights act might not be able to have a chance of being passed or introduced today? a the show supposedly about nothing debut changed what we expected out of the show. one of the semi regular stars will join us later. can you say, j. peterman. you may have noticed a change in

the president's cabinet yesterday. chuck hagel out. replaced by a national hero who emerged just yesterday. "hardball," a place for politics.

pennsylvania's republican governor corbett is among the most vulnerable in the country. we got more evidence today. according to a new poll, democrat tom wolf leads corbett, 47 to just 25. back after this.

i'm not going to apologize for trying to do something while they do nothing. >> i take executive action only when we have a serious problem, a serious issue. and congress chooses to do nothing.

>> well come back to "hardball." yesterday while urging congress to take an agreement on highway and transit funding, president obama rid those who seem to be furious over the actions he is taking an suing him for it. >> middle class families can't wait for congress to do stuff. so sue me. >> president called their lawsuit a stunt, refused to back down and instead made more plans to take workplace reform on lgbt discrimination and on obamacare contraception mandate. 33% of respondent's, 1 in 3, say president obama is the worst president since world war ii. george w. bush second worse with 2 will% followed by nixon and carter.

jennifer, let's start with that poll. headline from that poll, all the presidents since world war ii, 1 in 3 americans say president obama. what's your response to that? >> i think you can take numbers and polls and do interesting analysis and charts that would say all sorts of things. >> but that's a strong statement. 1 in 3 saying worst president. they are saying that, polsters. that's a strong statement, isn't it? >> i'm just not going to comment on any one poll. that's not how we live our day-to-day lives here. if you focus on the short term, like short term metric, you're not looking at a larger picture. we've had -- americans have gone through tough times during the

presidency and what we have seen he's been able to do, through a bad recession, create 9.4 million private sector jobs. not doing as well as we like, but doing better. >> doesn't this tell you something about changing from week to week. >> i don't think, you know, one polly don't think speaks to the root of the country. in a vacuum like that. and you know, we saw a lot of polls in 2012 that ended up being wrong. you know, if is something we have learned to -- we don't live by them. we are concerned about where the american people are and how they feel about the economy. he is very concerned about having their people, so that's

why you saw them last week and where he wanted to sit with some real people. and to say, i hear you. i know you're going through a hard time. having a hard time paying your mortgage. having a hard time paying your student loans and i want you to know that the dysfunction you see in washington, i hear you, i'm fighting for you. he is unsatisfied with the state of the middle class america. that's why he has this conversation. >> so to have that and the message americans are receiving, some findings are so stark. here is more evidence from that quinnipiac poll and the 54% of respondent in this poll say the obama administration is not confident in running the government. he is out there sending the message, but more than half, these are people who have voted for in some cases.

they say he is not competent. doesn't that disturb you? >> no, we don't live by polls. i'm say it one more time. he is concerned about -- he is concerned about the state of the country. concerned about the fact that middle class people still feel like they don't have the opportunities that they think they -- that he want them to have. he is concerned about all of these things. we are coming out of five very difficult years. we've had problems that we dealt in the past few months that's gotten attention. what is he doing to make sure that american people understand he is with them and that he is fighting for them. that's why there is this conversation. yeah, he is concerned about the mood of the country and people losing hope.

he is concerned about people becoming more cynical because of the dysfunction they see in washington. we don't pay a lot of attention to one message. but he is trying to have people understand what -- the kind of work he is doing everyday here. the people he wakes up worrying about. that's what he said in minnesota. you are the people i think about everyday and i'm fighting for. that's what he wants people to know is on his mind. >> all right, jen, thank you. washington bureau chief, i understand that but at the same point, there's a message here. isn't that can be coming from the people, these are the people they are governing. >> yes and no, steve. we have all heard the term junk science. this is kind of a junky poll. doesn't mean there is no trouble

for barack obama in terms of public opinion. definitely sour. dysfunction here. and a mess overseas. and blames the president more than anyone else because he is the guy in charge whether he is responsible for the problems or not. if you look at numbers here, both george w. bush and jimmy carter ended their presidencies at 34% in the approval ratings. and afterwards, they are at 47% for george w. bush and 56% for jimmy carter. >> but bush is a close second. >> people like either the dead or gone presidents more than the current one. but more importantly, if you look at numbers on obama in this poll, the republicans, 63% of them, say obama is the worst president ever. so right there, that counts for most of the poll. republicans saying -- >> i take that point.

look, obviously, you are going back to world war ii, and the most recent presidents are one and two to tell you about how we think with these things, right in front of us. i get that. at the same time, the question i asked jennifer about competency, over 54%, you aren't just talking about republicans. you're talking about people who voted for the president there. and on a very basic question about competency and running the government, a majority are saying no. that's what i'm talking about. >> i think the message, the approval rating, gold standard for these polls, is still in the 42 to 44% range he's been in for months, if not years. that hasn't shifted much. but i think with the trouble in iraq and syria and nothing in washington, people are saying, what is going on. he can't make congress pass an immigration bill. i think the problems he inherited in iraq may be beyond

solution. yet they still blame him. that's why he's done not a tremendous job in defining the narrative to really cast more culpability on the republicans. he is far too nice to them. thousand he is getting snarky and sarcastic. people look to him. he doesn't tell a good enough story about what he is doing in washington. >> let's look at strategy and see if it changes numbers. thank you, david corn. i appreciate that. >> why people are saying the airport outside washington should be named after this man. that's next in the slide show.

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time for the side show. america lost to belgium in the world cup yesterday. despite disappointment, tim howard, nevertheless emerged as a victor. a record number of saves yesterday. more than any single world cup game in recorded history. now he is hailed as cute, a human wall, for his extraordinary performance. also finding extra acclaim in extraordinary places. in wikipedia under, secretary of defense, replacing tim howard in place of chuck hagel. hagel reportedly called howard to thank him for defending the united states. now it is said the washington national airport should be

renamed after howard. a very long shot. but until july 31st to collect 100,000 signatures. this time it is not over, russia's occupation of ukraine, the disagreement over the netflix series "house of cards." producers of the series submitted a request to the united nations asking the international body to film the scene of the chamber of the u.n. security council. agreeing and recommending the 15 member nation to allow filming, russia was the only one not to go along, effectively vetoing it last night. we will see how that plays out in season 3. 50 years ago, president johnson signing civil act into law. coming up, why civil rights doesn't have a chance of passing congress today. you're watching "hardball," a place for politics.

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signed the civil rights act. civil rights leaders including martin luther king, jr., a herculean effort. here is president johnson addressing the nation. >> tonight i urge every public official, every religious leader, every business and professional man, every working man, every house wife, i urge every american to join in this effort. to bring justice and hope to all our people. and to bring peace to our own. a sobering assessment of our times, today's article in

"politico" is headlined, the civil rights act passed the senate by 73-27 with 23 out of 33 republican votes. also joining me, political analyst. congressman, i will start with you that law that passed in 1964 wouldn't pass in 2014. do you agree with that? >> first of all, the strongest opposition to president johnson came from dixiecrats. so as soon as blacks had the right to vote, the dixiecrats

changed party. >> democrats switched over to republicans. >> if you look at where the dixiecrats are and look at where the tea party people are, it is hard to distinguish. find where the confederate flag, where it waves with the tea party. find out which states say that lincoln and which states have representatives that hate obama. find out which states held slaves. >> when you say that, look at the tea party today, and you can say, that this is a movement with a lot of support, from its heavily white, certainly back then heavily white southern and all that, is race the motivating factor are you saying for the tea party, though? >> i don't have to say a darn thing except you can see where they come from and what the opposition has been to voting rights and integration an all of those things.

you know it came from the south, right? now, if you see the same people, are you asking me, should i call? >> the tea party would say, like, those were our grandparents or our parents from different generations. our generation has nothing to do with that. >> i am only saying what history would record. now the confederate flag didn't belong to them. they still wave it. and opposition to voting, didn't belong to republican party. they brought that with them to the tea party. so i don't know why people even have to discuss the difference between the make-up of the house of representatives. >> if you look at it this way, though, in 1964, there was opposition, basically democrats at the time, you know, so today, though certainly democrats not

from the south, but what was missing? what was there in 1964 that could break the filibuster that isn't there today? >> to get something done. so to respond to public pressure and international embarrassment that followed the bombing, of the church in birmingham and the violence that was on public display all over the world and shamed america to finally act. also kennedy's assassination in there, that fuelled pressure. we don't have that right now. i'm thinking about this as you heard president obama yesterday talk about pass a bill, solve a problem. that is something we just don't see right now. because there isn't that pressure. >> as we talk about in present day, talking about the voting rights act, the supreme court ruling and can there be some kind of amendment or fix pass for what happened in the supreme court last year, i wonder, just practically speaking, if you

have to get republicans back on board for this. it is hard to believe now, but republicans won a big share of the black vote. since barry goldwater got elected, they won almost every election. they say, we can win elections without winning the black vote. >> not cochran. >> what's the incentive? what's in it for us? what's in it politically? >> if i had been with her for years and years and years, and she's not treating me right, and you give me a better deal, he aren't going with democrats stamped all over us and the fact is that, i want to digress for a moment, we don't have president johnson, what was an extraordinary man ready to make

the political sacrifices. >> would it have passed in '64 without lbj? >> no, no, no. the congressman from -- that johnson had in seat, he would tell me all these sexist story. but one was very interesting. he said when the president called him and said, jake, you have to vote for it. he said, mr. president, i could lose my seat. he said, you know what he told me? i said, no. he said, jake, i gave you that seat and i can take it away. he had extraordinary power. he used the fbi. he used everything he had. and he knew what people needed. and congress people at that time, believe it or not, difference of parties, they talked with each other. >> all right. thank you congressman charles rangel. >> and "seinfeld," a tv show about nothing, turned out to be

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"seinfeld," hard to believe it's been 25 years. back after this.

♪ we are back. 25 years ago this week, a little show about a group of new yorkers who didn't do much of anything debuted on nbc. didn't exactly set the world on fire at first, either. in fact, they almost didn't make it past the pilot. seinfeld would go on to become one of tv's all time greatest hits. the series from 1998 was watched by 76 million people. almost every critic's list of the greatest show of all time included at or near the top. no soup for you made it into our lexicon for today. the writers never game up on the darker impulses.

matt zuler writes, quote, seinfeld was never content nearly to amuse. loathing the idea that audiences might get too comfortable with it. david admonished the writing staff that there is no hugging, no learning in the script. and there wasn't ever. seinfeld went out of its way to provoke, baffle and offend. often blasted adds show-offy, cold, even hateful. when george's fiance died from licking envelopes, he got over it with coldness. matt zuler joins me along with john hourly, you know him as elaine's boss, j. peterman on the show. i will start with you. i love sitcom. i love television. growing up, i watched "cheers", "seinfeld", and i see it is on and i tune in, "seinfeld." why has it aged so well compared to other sitcoms.

>> it has that comfort food type of idea. it replicates its audience every few years. disney every seven years has a brand new audience to watch all of their entire library. in the same way that every four years, a brand new group of kids get shuffled off to college an they all sit around and watch the same shows together for the first time that they're all together, i have a feeling that that's part of the ratings success of "seinfeld", the fact it keeps going and going and going. from what i understand from conversation i had recently, that they are renewed now through 2020 i think. >> good. every late night, if i'm up late, that's what i watch. >> have you your cannon -- >> we all have our favorite episodes. one of the things, one of the things that i noticed is it holds up because there are so few episodes that are just as plausible today as when it first aired. it doesn't feel dated the way like, if you watched "murphy brown" today there would be

references to johnson and john nunu. it doesn't feel sold with "seinfeld." >> there may be a few things that don't have a reference episode, like cramer is the aol movie phone guy. just tell me the name of the movie you want to see. but aside from that, yeah, it is universal. so much of the humor comes out of social discomfort. it ultimately comes back to selfish self-centered behavior, and how hilarious it is to watch if we're not involved. >> that's the thing i want to ask you about, i mean, i know to me, the show was never that mean. the characters to me were never that mean. i found that pretty relatable. george got over his fiancee's death very fast. the appeal to me was, maybe it says something about me being a mean dark person, but to me, they were very relatable. >> there was not a nice person on the show.

all of the characters, they -- and the four of them would have sold each other out. in any particular episode, they all -- everybody threw each other under the bus all the time. but it was recoverable. >> they would say it to their faces a lot? >> yeah, it was a little like the character that jumps off the cliff in the cartoons, always crashes and he doesn't die somehow. there's a little bit of the recoverability of the injured souls on seinfeld, i guess. >> is that what made it work in part, there were no sort of pretenses, they weren't putting on ayers or anything? >> yeah, to build on what we were talking about. that's a big part of the appeal. i was telling a friend of mine, seinfeld is the perfect definition of comedy, the difference between comedy and drama. drama is about how people grow and change or they don't because of their tragic flaw. but comedy is about how people always revert to type.

it's almost impossible to change, and most people aren't inclined to do it, that's what's funny, and all the greatest comedies you can think of are about people doing what you would expect of that character to do and what they always do ultimately. >> my favorite episode i always say, the marine biologist episode. what was your favorite episode? >> my favorite was always the wedding cake episode. elaine swiped an expensive piece of cake from the duke and duchess and replaced it with a piece of entemann's. >> did you think larry david, >> did you think larry david, did you ever see this coming, the second act of larry david, the career he's on? >> no, not at all.

i really kind of -- when we did sign 23e8d, i always thought of larry as a frustrated performer. he was the voice of steinbrenner. i always felt that was his release. it was never a kind of front camera guy. boy -- the resurrection, his rebirth during "curb your enthusiasm" and if you curve your eyes you will hear the genius of "seinfeld" in "curb your enthusiasm." >> i was just thinking that. we'll be right back. we have a serious hairball issue. we clean it up, turn around, and there it is again. it's scary. little bit in my eye. [ michelle ] underneath the kitchen table, underneath my work desk, we've got enough to knit a sweater. [ doorbell rings ] zach, what is that? the swiffer sweeper. the swiffer dusters. it's some sort of magic cloth that sucks in all the dog hair. it's quick and easy. pretty amazing that it picked it all up. i would totally take on another dog.

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finally, let me finish tonight with the 50th anniversary of one of the most prophetic statements ever made by a leader. it was 50 years ago today that lyndon johnson signed the civil rights act of 1964. lbj supposedly turned to someone and said, there goes the south for a generation. history has proven lbj dead right on that. the south before 1964 was a democratic bastion, it was the most reliably democratic part of the country because of reconstruction that brief interlewd after the civil war when civil rights and racial equality were imposed on the newly reconstituted south. the reconstruction ended with the hayes-tildon election of 1976 and the jim crowe era began.

literacy tests and all the other forms of legal oppression. legal rekroks had been a republican project, a project of liberal republicans from the north. because of that, almost every white southerner was a democrat, con servetives, segregationist democrats. just how democratic was the jim crowe south? look at this, in 1936, fdr won 19 99% of the vote in south carolina, 99%. you get 97% in mississippi. 87 in georgia. essentially there was no republican party in the south back then, but the civil rights movement changed everything. blacks couldn't vote in the south, but they could in the north. with their white allies up there, they turned on the pressure of the northern democratic leaders to stop appeasing the jim crowe democrats. there was a walkout at the 1948 democratic convention when northern democrats led by hubert

humphrey pushed through a civil rights plank. in 1964, lbj made the ultimate choice, he had been pro jim crowe but his heart was somewhere else, when fate made him president, lbj made civil rights his priority, he did what no president had been willing or able to do. he broke the southern filibuster, got the vote through and signed it 50 years ago today, that shift that he predicted took shape right away. the republicans picked barry goldwater who joined the southern democrats in the filibuster. in the south, the solidly democratic south, it was a different story. he won five southern states outright. the same state where fdr had racked up 99% of the vote, goldwater got 58%. in alabama, he had 68%. in mississippi, in mississippi, he got 87% of the vote.

and it's only gotten more hopeless for democrats in the south. especially the deep south in the 50 years since then, lbj had no idea just how right he was. that's hardball for now. have a safe and happy 4th of july weekend, all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight, we are "all in." >> usa. usa! >> the immigration wars are back. >> go back home. >> migrant women and children turned away by angry protesters in southern california. >> this is normandy beach of our fathers. >> with more buses coming today, the counter protests. >> what are the people of escondido and muir yetta afraid of? 9-year-olds? >> we'll bring you the latest on the ongoing crisis on the border. then, east jerusalem, this time a palestine ab ductsed and killed. >> we were on the other side with the palestinians.