new outrage in california. arrests and confrontations in a town that has been the flash point for immigration. the show about nothing turns 25. ♪ hey there. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." a new security let has airports in europe stepping up security for flights headed to the u.s. the move follows new concerns to al qaeda is trying to develop a new kind of law making you get through airport security. let's talk about the details you learned about this. what do you have? >> reporter: good afternoon. french officials warning travelers that there could be delays on flights this summer. pilots that are bound for the u.s. now, the delays are currently estimated to be about 30 minutes to an hour. this comes amid intelligence that extremists fighting in syria are cooperating with bomb

makers in yemen who are working on explosives that might get through airport security checks. government sources stress this has nothing to do with the fourth of july holiday. and by the way, alex, it is not clear the french are acting at the direction of the french government but you will recall this past week the obama administration called for tighter security a at airports that have direct flights to the u.s. there is not a specific threat but heightened concern in general. the big question, the question is on everyone's mind, what's this actually mean for travelers at airports? they are going to be seeing likely moran dom patdowns or screening of carry-on bags or swabbing for explosive residue and extra scrutiny of electronics. there will likely be a lot security measures that travelers won't see. i just spoke with congressman pete sessions of texas. he came back from a trip to the middle east and coming up in

just an hour i will tell you what he has to say about these heightened concerns. >> okay. real quick, this follows the france concern -- follows the british concern, correct? they stepped up efforts. >> reporter: that's correct. british stepped up efforts and we saw that happened earlier in week. so this is coming on the heels of that. and these concerns, again, that is with these extremists are developing bombs that will make their way past airport security and that is the concern that folks are focusing on right now. one of the things that congressman sessions stressed when i spoke with him is that all travelers should be vigilant and should be aware but that certainly doesn't mean anyone should be canceling their travel plans. >> okay. we will look forward to what they tell you later on. joining me now, tom blank, former head of the security policy. >> good to be with you. >> let's talk about what we were

reporting. the security stepped-up measures at overseas airports. do you agree that's what the measures are that will be taken and are there others? >> well, there could be. i think what you are seeing is some commentary from the u.s. government that this -- situation is somewhat unstable. largely because of the unrest across the middle east. where you have a number of newly radicalized fighters there. and that's a -- an unsuspected development. now her coming in contact with the foremost al qaeda bomb makers. and the combination created some uncertainty and direct result of the heightened measures. you are seeing particularly inure zblop yeah. we should say specifically we learned about fighters going to join the forces with isis. also with al qaeda that have western passports potentially.

that's what is making -- perhaps a bit easier to get through security screenings. western passports, united states passports and like that. that's a lot of big concern there. when we talk about some of the details we are hearing a little bit about electronic devices that are getting extra scrutiny. can you elaborate or explain why? >> well, yes. remember that the last two incidents had to do with not exactly new types of explosives but new tactics to hide the explosives. one being a computer cartridge that obviously the underwear bomber before that shoe bomber. you are seeing that -- that -- new tactics, hide gels and liquids, dunking clothing in the explosives, the tactics are at least as -- as important the new tactics are as new compound of ex-pleasives. >> can i ask you, when you are talking about shoes, laptop

computers, anybody that travels you already have to take your shoes off. they have on get screened through the x-ray machine. you already have to take your laptops out of their cases and put them will. what more can they do? think about the volume. shoes and computers, come on. >> right. right. well, it is no question is going to be -- some -- some inconvenience. i think that -- you know, if you have a new compound, for example, you may not show -- it may not show up on the x-ray equipment at airports the way it previously has. a small change, you know, might pose a new challenge technology isn't yet equipped to actually handle. so, therefore, you have to do -- rely on the lower process which might mane more dog inspections, more pat-downs and more swabbing for traces of explosives and that sort of thing. >> do you think these new terror threats are different than attempted terrorist attacks we have seen in the past? >> well, i think that we know

that the threat is always evolving. we know our security is a filter and not a guarantee. sometimes our intelligence agencies and our transportation security officials feel that the filter isn't as fine as they would like it to be. we are into one of those periods and we just need to remind ourselves that the threat is real and the threat is ongoing. while none of us like the inconvenience at the airport, we are going to have to go through it until we can determine that this particular threat has passed or we developed methods ask technologies and intelligence capabilities to defeat it. >> specifically with this new threat we are talking about, pilots coming here to the united states, do you expect we are going to see a domino effect here? and now have security also screenings, increased screenings in the united states and heading outbound? >> i don't think you will necessarily see them -- outbound. i think you could see them across the u.s. system.

i think what you most likely are seeing are -- a new random techniques. there may be pat-downs at that time gate, additional pat-downs. you will potentially see more dog teams assigned at major airports and things like that. >> okay. former head of security. what once was hurricane arthur is a prose prorm. besides flooding, had storm left behind dangerous conditions for swimmers all along the eastern seaboard. we have more on that and the forecast with the rest of the holiday weekend. so far so good in terms of the forecast. nays today. >> yes. beautiful throughout the northeast. comfortable temperatures right where they should be this time of the year. it is nice out there. many people will be heading to the beaches over the next couple of days and although arthur is continuing its track up towards the gulf of st. lawrence, will is still that threat for a high surf and rip currents all along

the northeastern sea boards. we are talking about eastern sections of new england through coastal virginia. remember that. here is arthur. pushing off to the northeast, as i mentioned. we are still seeing heavy rainfall in down east maine. that area locally becomes another two to four inches of rainfall. along cape cod, conditions are continuing to improve there. coastal flooding could still occur with the storm surge. the center of arthur, a tropical storm meaning it has lost its tropical characteristics. it is a remnant low. it is still packing maximum sustained winds of 60 miles per hour. the center of arthur is 95 west-northwest of nova scotia. again, it is tracking northeastward at 24 miles per hour. beautiful across the northeast. plenty of shine throughout the course of the afternoon. i-95 corridor looking at temperatures in the low to mid 80s. would areas of concern, right

now there is a cluster of rain and thunderstorms pushing southeast ward across iowa. that will cause additional flooding and/or aggravated existing floods. sections of central florida, meanwhile, frontal boundary in place, warm and unstable air mass, could see localized heavy thunderstorms across the interior sections of florida. but as you mentioned, aside from that, a tranquil saturday across much of the nation. >> what are we doing working? i will see you later. okay. thanks. we are learning new details about some dramatic video. this comes from to us out of california. it shows -- watch this. an officer there, california highway patrol officer, hitting a woman. authorities say that she was resisting arrest. look at that. we will get the latest now. >> reporter: starting cell phone video shows a california highway patrol officer repeatedly hitting a woman along a busy l.a. highway. but what happened before the camera started rolling?

according to the arrest report the woman had been walking along the narrow right shoulder barefoot and at times within traffic lanes. the officer called to the scene says the woman was ignoring commands to stop and became visibly combative. >> again tried to contact the individual to stop them from walking in the traffic lanes and walking on the freeway. that's when the incident occurred. >> reporter: the video hose the officer hitting the woman's head and upper body at least 11 times in 11 seconds while she tries to block the blows. >> she is like this. she is not fighting, then he's still banging. these aren't taps. these are punching you. >> reporter: david videoed it. >> we will leave month stone unturned in gathering these facts. >> reporter: civil rights

activists in l.a. say they want a practical probe. >> we saw something that was repulsive and reprehensible and totally out of character for them. >> reporter: for the end of the video an off-duty officer arrives to help handcuff the woman. the authorities say her name is unknown. she was treated and released from a hospital and is supposed to receive a mental evaluation. other news now. four children are dead. dozens of people displaced after a massive fire tore through several row homes in southwest philadelphia overnight. at least eight of the homes were destroyed. the cause of the fire is under investigation. the officials say the fire broke out in the house where the children were found. a pair of wild pyres on opposite ends of california. each burned a couple of houses and threatened more. the fire near new york's wine country is about 65% contained while another to the south in san diego is 70% contained. the causes for both those fires remains unknown.

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[ roars ] new frustration and rage in one california town that's become the latest flash point in the immigration debate. officers arrested five people provide outside of a border patrol pa silt in murrieta. scuffles broke out between immigrants to supporters and protesters angry over the

transfer of undocumented immigrants to their town. >> relax. relax. >> no! no! no! no! >> hey! >> can we get help over here? >> guys. >> police say the altercation began when a woman on one side of the crowd pushed someone from the other side. meantime inaction by congress has led to increased calls for president obama to come up with solutions. he has already asked congress for $2 billion to respond to the surge and he said he will use his executive power to do even more. joining me now, the founder and editor-in-chief, vivian a. welcome. >> good to be here. >> let's talk about these anti-immigration protesters. they argue that you can't take care of everybody in this country and taxpayers can't afford it to support all the people in the system. how do you respond to them? >> the fact of the matter is there is a humanitarian crisis that's happening, alex.

and so really i think that -- one of the things that's going to, you know, country will be judged by is -- not just by the rest of the world, by us, ourselves, is how is it that we react to the times of crisis? if there were a hurricane that were blowing through south salvador or guatemala, a majority of the countries from which these unaccompanied children are -- women are coming from, we would be mobilizing as americans through the american red cross and send something kind of fema assistance. the problem is that they have come this way to the border and so now the action is -- as i -- cross into the border the action then is going forward, and congress returns on monday from their july fourth holiday, how is it that both the president and the congress are going to deal with this issue that's playing out in communities across the country? >> you talk about the president and with regard to using executive order to deal with this in a humanitarian way, how does that look to you? what would you have him do?

>> well, the president has requested, as you mentioned, earlier, $2.2 billion to reallocate those resources from the interior of the country, to -- the border and also to help with the processing of these children and women and to make sure they are accommodated in communities throughout the country. i have been talking to some local municipalities, some people who serve in local government who have decided that they are not going to deal with what murrieta, california, and some of the citizens there have decided to do. they are going to try to figure out how it is that they are going to welcome these women and children. particularly here in the d.c. area, that's important because this is an area where there is historically a very large vibrant central american community that came in the '07s and 80s as a result of the wars in central america. so it makes sense that a lot of the communities would be receiving some of the women and children and municipalities here are figuring out how it is that they are going to do it and how

are they going to counter any counter protests like what we have seen in murrieta and, of course a lot of them are telling me they are still awaiting some kind of guidance, direction, and resources from the federal government. >> is there a way to enforce laws that are already on the books in a way that will reflect this crisis along the borders? is there something the president can do that way? >> i think that it is really important that both the president and the congress and particularly the gop negate. particularly when it comes to the gop, it is not just a question of objecting rhetoric but engaging legislation. i was checking out some of our foreign aid to central america. i went to an interesting source. we are talking about millions and billions of dollars that are going to the countries of el salvador, guatemala and honduras. it is very important, i believe, both the president and the

congress work towards looking at that foreign aid and putting accountability measures into place because, remember, that people are fleeing terrible instances of violence. just in -- honduras alone. it isn't -- incidents of violence between -- against women and children and have gone up 350%. so it is important there be some kind of accountability of measures so that we are making sure that the foreign aid going to these countries in military and humanitarian and development forms has some kind of caveat that says your countries will be stamping out core ipgs and stamping out impunity of gang that are lawless and bowling over communities and, of course, there will be some kind of strengthening of the judiciary. >> when you are talking about the gop becoming more engaged i don't think you are talking about what gop -- house speaker john baron has done. he's suing the president for what he calls the overreach.

let's see what the president said this week in response to this suit. take a listen to that. >> if house republicans are really concerned about me taking too many executive actions the best solution is passing this. i take executive action only when we have a serious problem, serious issue, and congress chooses to do nothing. >> has congress left the president with no other options when it comes to this issue but to take executive action? >> the answer is yes. and, you know, even this coming week, there is proposed legislation from a texas freshman around this issue about -- completely cutting off foreign aid to mexico and central american countries and -- that is not a way to engage this kind of an issue. it does leave the president with no other option but to go it alone but remember that the president really doesn't have a lot of leeway here either because he has gotten a lot of

blow-back from the advocacy community and from the hispanic community because what they are seeing is -- how it is that on this president's watch, the -- incidents of deportations have skyrocketed. what's going on over here? we are potential voters and we -- you know, gave a thumping to the gop and mitt romney. the president is deporting us. which dwi we go? that's something to think about as we look at 2014 and certainly 2016. florida is one of the races in november where hispanics are angry muff and this turns out to be a gateway, flash point issue for them, they do have say in an important state like florida. >> something i'm sure that is being pondered by voters and those on capitol hill. thank you so much. >> great to be on. thanks. here is what we have been asking all of you today. murrieta, california, protesters turned away documented immigrants. what's your solution? here are some of your tweets

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>> reporter: good afternoon. there is no doubt that the killing of that palestinian teen triggered so much anger here across the palestinian territory. the authorities are going to investigate that mur with the same resources that they would the killing of any israeli jew including the three that were killed and buried earlier in the week. there is no doubt among israeli officials that the situation ear is reaching a boiling point and that was exacerbated overnight with the release of this video that has now gone viral and triggered more anger among palestinians. this video, which nbc news has not independent verified, shows israeli soldiers detaining a teenager and then while subdued is repeatedly beaten before being dragged away with others that were detained. a florida resident here on

summer vacation with his parents. >> i'm infuriated. you know, i'm just in a state of shock. >> speechless. >> reporter: detained thursday evening when israeli troops and protesters clashed in this eastern jerusalem neighborhood. tensions here have been high all week. palestinians have been angry at the loss of another teenager murdered, they say, by israeli jews. the body was given a here i's welcome in his neighborhood friday after it was returned to the family. that gave way to sorrow as more clashes broke out friday evening. the israeli police say that the video that was released showing the brutal beating was edited and was biased. they have not launched an investigation into the circumstances of it. they are defending the of their soldiers saying they were coming under tremendous amount of danger and including being attacked with knives, molotov

cocktails and pipe bombs. for palestinian human rights activists they say this is the same old song and dance and heard this in the past and it is an example of police brutality and excessive use of force against teenagers and children. >> i want to ask you about something i read details about the autopsy on the palestinian teen. he was burned over 90 herself of his body. there was evidence to suggest he was burned alive. >> reporter: that's correct. that's what the family believes and that's certainly what a lot of the palestinians who, including the lawyer we reached, have been told. they haven't been told officially but are hearing from the sources the autopsy suggests not only was the body badly burned but there were signs of abuse and perhaps torture but also that there is an indication, according to a family member, he was forced to drink gasoline before his body was lit on fire. some very horrific and

disturbing details coming out as to how he died. after they found the body it was unrecognizable, burned beyond recognition. they had to collect dna samples from the parents in order to confirm the identity. that actually was one of the reasons that led to the delay of returning the body to the family for burial. >> thank you very much for the details. we appreciate it. a new article says president obama appears to be shifting strategy on tackling mcinequality. the democrats are split on the issue leaving president obama to shift talk away on the subject. during the first half of the year, along with the shift from income and inequality, palatable theme of lifting the middle class, focusing on issues such as the minimum wage and gender pay gap that are thought to resonate with a broader group of voters. let me bring in lauren pox and politics reporter for "the washington post," jackie kucinich. jackie, i will go first with you.

this is an article by your colleague who calls this shift by president obama's striking because after his re-election the president called mcand inequality a fundamental threat to the american dreams. what's happening here? >> it is an election year and they are finding that this isn't an issue resonating with their voters. we know that democrats have a problem with getting -- little bit of dash what's the word i'm looking for? gap between the enthusiasm of their voters this year. they need messages that will get their people out to vote and income and inequality was not calling fire. >> the article of -- also says that the shift underscores the ongoing dispute between the democratic party's liberal and honor wings over how to address income and inequality. the left takes a more combative tone seeking to volk us on the

income gap. it is an election year. how will this play out as we get closer to the mid terms? especially control of the senate? >> if you look at 2014 and and which democrats need to win their elections, looking at people in arkansas and you are looking at democrats wanting to take kentucky as a senate seat. and those are states where the president did not do well and the far left message is not going to resonate among those kinds of constituents. so i think that's why the moderates and the party are going to continue to win out over the next couple of months. those are the people that they need to re-elect in order to continue to move forward with their democratic party. >> now all this -- comes meantime while there are new numbers showing some positive signs in the economy right now. the dow topped 17,000 for first time ever this week. latest jobs report is showing 288,000 jobs being added from june. far more than what was forecast,

by the way. at the same time, the latest gallup poll shows 34% of americans apro-of the way the president is handling the economy. >> i think that's why you didn't see politicians popping the champagne when these good numbers came out. it is because there is a perception in the country that the economy isn't doing well. regardless of what the numbers say. what's happening in their lives. so i think that's why you see politicians kind of hedging even though this is good news. the other thing about the job report is that a lot of the positions that were gained were jobs. there is that as well. >> to add on conversation, what do you think is holding back the approval rating on the economy? >> one of the things i am noticing a lot of republicans on capitol hill are still saying look, economy might be getting better but we have a lot of jobs bills to wait in the house of representatives. i noticed that was house speaker john boehner's talking point on

thursday when this report came out. so i think that what we are seeing a lot of republicans aren't willing to give the president credit on this issue either. for voters listening to the members, democrats are hedging their bets. >> thank you, ladies. i appreciate it. >> thank you. today's the first day of a new life for 9,000 americans in this country. naturalization ceremonies were held nationwide yesterday to welcome america's newest citizens. joining me now is one of them. she was sworn in yesterday at the home thomas jefferson, monticello. welcome. thank you for joining me. >> thank you for having me. >> you were among, what, 73 immigrants from 39 countries who becamesy sense yesterday. talk about what that was like. >> it was a great experience. i would feel very honored to be among one of them. and to see so many people at monticello to welcome us to be

new citizens. >> i know you were born in taiwan. you are a percussionist. talented one obviously. music is what brought you to this country. can you tell me about had a? >> yes. i actually got accepted to carnegie mcarn carnegie when i was 15 to pursue my undergrad. and -- then i went on for my master at northwestern. and then -- university of north texas for my doctorate. >> you lived all over this country. good for you. that's more many citizens who were born here. but you did wait 19 years to become a citizen. what was it that propelled you to do it? why was becoming an american so important to you? >> i have my family here in the states. my husband is an american born citizen. also my son. he is 2 years old now. so i would love to -- be like a citizen with them.

i have been here so long. this is more half of my year at home. half of my life here in the stat states. i always felt like it was home. now i'm so glad i can finally call america home. >> we are so glad to have you here. i very much appreciate people that bring theirtal toents this country and i know you are certain within of them with musical talent. thank you for joining us and congratulations. again, a big welcome. >> thank you so much. >> you're very welcome. it was a show about nothing that caused something of a frenzy. how "seinfeld" continues to shape america's culture 25 years later. coming up, have coverage live from the 20th anniversary of the essence festival. i'm here with msnbc and we are growing hope. share an issue that's important

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rip kur rents a big concern as thousands head to the beach along the east coast this weekend. rip currents were triggered by hurricane arthur which is now a tropical storm. we have more on the warnings. looks like a hefty beach with waves in and the like. >> reporter: dangerous enough that officials are issuing red-flag warnings up and down the coast following hurricane arthur. he blew out of here quickly. he left behind a hidden danger. the waves crashing here right on the shore, creating conditions that are just ripe for these very powerful rip currents.

you can see some surfers out there right now taking advantage of the waves. officials say that makes them nervous. they would rather people stay out of the water right now. even if you are an experienced swimmer or you have a lot of experience like these guys on the water. these rip currents can grab a swimmer and pull them out to the ocean. the u.s. lifesaving association estimates about 100 people per year are killed by rip currents. officials are saying that these are so strong, so unusually strong, because of the hurricane that they are even going to catch experienced swimmers and experienced surfers off guard. they would rather not add to that total. 100 people per year. meanwhile, cleanup from arthur continues. highway 12, main artery here, that just reopened to people with i.d. to prove that they are year-long residents and people that provide essential services. residents are being encouraged not to use their air conditioning. they need to conserve power. hurricane arthur did a number on their electrical grid.

>> sure did. thank you for the wrap-up on that as well as the heads-up on the rip currents. it is beautiful weather. it is hard to believe that it has been 25 years since the world first met jerry, george, elaine and kramer. "seinfeld" debuted july 5, 1989 on nbc. it change america's landscape forever with the seemingly unlikable character and catch phrases. a quarter after century later it is considered one of the best tv sitcoms in history. "tv guide" is out with a special edition honoring a quarter century of "seinfeld." joining me editor for "tv gui " guide." this show was on for nine seasons. you know, the legacy certainly is still with us big time. i think of so many different episodes. the cartoon episode when george dates a girl that looks just like jerry. what was it about "seinfeld" that was so revolutionary? >> i think why we still like it

today is that everything about it was built to get a laugh. these weren't characters that you wanted to be friends with and that -- and -- really wasn't a lot of character development. there wasn't a lot of meetings on the side. there weren't heavy messages. everything was about the gag. the stories were elaborate setups to a gag that had great payoff at the end. that's why they are it is as funny today as when it first aired. it was like "i love lucy." it had a very long life in syndication. you take "seinfeld" today and you -- if your tv station has that show and you have a program that's palg, put "seinfeld" on and you will get a better rating. people like it and like seeing them over and over again. >> yeah. here is the point. it is a show about nothing. here is a clip from season three. jair i have trying on pick up his rental car. >> i don't understand. i made reservation. do you have my reservation? >> yes.

unfortunately we ran out of cars. >> but the reservation keeps the car here. that's were have you the reservation. >> i know why we have reservation. >> i don't think you do. if you did, i would have a car. >> i have to tell you, that happened to me once and i was reminded of this episode. i don't think i handled it quite as artfully as jerry did. >> another reason why the show lasted so long is that it has these every day situations and finds great humor in the every day situations that connect with people. >> yeah. it also changed -- scripted sitcoms. don't you think? it was normal discourse that they were having. i mean -- funny, yes. but just -- average banter back and forth. >> well with it was very interesting. the "seinfeld" episode that aired 25 years ago today was the pilot that nbc had passed on for

the 1989-1990 fall season. the reason for that is they tested it with audiences. they showed the pilots to people and asked them what they think. most people didn't like it. the test report said that -- not one segment of the audience said that they would watch this show again. they were confused by it. they thought what are they doing hanging out at the lawn grow mat? not a lot happening here. all those little things that made the show very intimate, that had that sort of realistic discussion. and the way that they talked about the things that bugged them and -- and knneurosis. it was situational comedy. comedy was very different at that time. shows like "the golden girls" and "the cosby show." "roseanne." this show had a different feel, different rhythm to it. it took time for viewers to adjust. >> some have even said that without a show like seinfeld, shows like "the sopranos" would never have come along. you have unlikable characters

you are describing doing these -- unlikable things. certainly "sopranos," it was an unlikable extreme. >> "seinfeld" was funny and they weren't killing anybody. with "seinfeld," it created a template for situational comedy that has been very successful. take a group of unrelated adults and have them live by a certain set of rules and find comedy where -- it is made by going outside of those rules. i think you saw that in "friends" and "how i met your mother" and "big bang theory." love people loves these shows. older people like them, too, because they like looking -- they connect with it as well. it is a format that's done very well in situational comedy ever since. >> enjoyed talking to you about it. thank you so much. we will see you again. >> thanks for having me.

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new move under way to keep embarrassing pictures from popping up on the meat ever again. it is called the right to be forgotten. making the rule a reality is easier said than done. i'm joined now by christina. can you explain this so-called right to be forgotten rule and how realistic it is? >> so basically what happened is the european union said that if individuals object to certain documents or articles or pacts coming up about them in search results they can file a request on google and those results have to be scrubbed from the google search results at least in europe. if you are searching for something in the u.k. or france or germany and you don't want toer is -- a certain much result coming up, individuals can request that those pages not show up with the results. >> is there any concern that

requesting links be scrubbed brings an issue back to the public spotlight rather than obscures it? this is a very private -- between individuals and google? >> that's a great point. what has happened is the law was when -- went into effect a month and a half ago and -- as google is trying to enact the law, websites such as guardian and bbc know these links are from google results and what happened is that, you know, media companies have sort of -- write about the fact that these results are now having to be removed from google. it actually kind of brings -- what's known as the streisand effect where more attention is on the -- often drawn to what people are trying to take off the internet. >> you bring up the guardian. google removed a couple of links that were guardian links and had to repost them? >> correct. originally google removed some links and then went back and said, okay, we didn't actually go about this in the correct way. they reinstated some of the

links. not all of them. this is a very new law and this is very new for google to do and something google doesn't want to do. it raises a lot of questions for freedom of press and freedom of privacy and where they intersect. >> what do you see as being -- in peck should this only come to the u.s.? >> i don't think it will ever come to the united states. i'm being honest. i don't think -- i think our privacy laws are much, much different than they are in europe. i'm not a lawyer. but just -- you know, my understanding of how these things work are very, very different. if it were to come here, there would be a tremendous amount of backlash just because right of public information if information is public, removing it from a certain much query should not change whether or not people should be able to access public information. >> okay. thank you very much. disturbing new details in the case of the georgia father accused of killing his son by leaving him in a sweltering suv.

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crisis at the border. anger in california. one central american country prepares to bring back deported immigrants. stunning revelations, new information on the case against the father accused of intentionally leaving his toddler to die in a hot car. beach beware. a new summer warning about beach water that could make you sick. it is a party with a purpose. we will take you live to the essence music festival for some growing hope. good day. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." let's get to what's happening now. new clash tows report in the controversy over the influx of undocumented immigrants mostly from central america. it was quite a fiery scene yesterday as anti-immigration protesters were handcuffed and detained outside of a border patrol facility in california. they were vowing to walk more buses packed with new arrivals from texas.

miguel almaguer is outside that area. hi, miguel. >> reporter: a much calmer scene outside this border patrol facility in murrieta. gone are the protesters and immigration advocates. it was a much, much different scene here on friday. we saw dozens of people here. it was a fiery scene. both sides driven by passion and anger. they waved flags did blocked streets and argued. once again, murrieta is at the center of the fiery immigration debate after protesters here blocked three busses and turned them around on tuesday. there were many more protesters out here trying to do the same thing again on friday. but those buses never showed up. immigration advocates say they are trying to protect the right of those pokes who are flooding into this country. people who say they are trying to escape poverty and violence in central america and now while those buses didn't show up in murrieta, they did arrive in other locations across the southwest. many bus depots and cities like tucson and we saw undocumented

immigrants getting bus tickets to you a arrive. back here in murrieta, it is unclear if the buses will try to return here. protesters say they will return if they get word those buses are headed back to their community. >> thanks, miguel. the first lady of honduras is talking about the immigration crisis. she says the honduran government is preparing. another 2,500 are report prosecuting mexico. 25% of the undocumented immigrants in the recent surge are unaccompanied children and families of those central american countries. we have new reaction today from a key law make other a new security threat that has airports inure p kreins security for u.s. downed flights. nbc's kristen welker is at the white house for us. you spoke with us last hour saying you talked to pete sessions. what did he tell us about this

threat? >> congressman sessions saying that this threat is real. he's saying that travelers should be vigilant on the other hand. he saying don't cancel your travel plans. here is the latest. french officials are warning travelers there could be delays on pilots this summer that are u.s. bound and are estimated to be about 30 minutes to an hour. now, this comes amid intelligence extremists fighting in syria are cooperating with bomb makers in yemen that are working on explosives that might get through airport security checks. government sources stress this has nothing to do with the fourth of july holiday. you will recall this past week the obama administration called for security at overseas airports and that have direct pilots to the u.s. and british airports have tightened their security measures. congress and pete sessions was just in the middle east by the way. here is more of what he had to s say. >> at some point there will be

more. if our law enforcement dashboarder security, some beingage checker makes a mistake, that's what these terrorists are looking for. we have to be vij sxlend know this is what they are after and be honest about understanding the threat against americans as people. >> reporter: now, alex, officials continue to stress this is not a specific let but rather heightenned concern about extremist activities. what does this mean specifically for travelers? well, select foreign airports travelers are more than likely going to see moran dom pat-downs and more screening of carry-on bags and more swabbing for explosives are die and extra scrutiny of electronics. there will also be some measures in place that travelers won't be aware of. >> which means delays, right? we have seen evidence of delayed pilots. >> we have seen evidence of delayed pilots. right now the reports are that those delays are about 30b minutes to an hour.

the goal is to not have them extend much beyond that. but, again, given this heightened security and concern about this threat, you can anticipate that officials will be taking the time that they need to make sure that they are screening every passenger they need to. >> okay. thank you, kristin. a warning up and down the east coast this weekend following hurricane arthur. this storm is now a tropical storm. but it has left behind dangerous rip kur nents -- currents in its wake. welcome back to you. >> thank you very much, alex. it is actually a post-tropical system. it was a hurricane earlier. in the morning it was downgraded to a tropical storm. it is no longer with us and has lost its tropical characteristics. the pressure is moving to the northeast and moving towards the gulf of st. lawrence. we a looking at locally heavy

downpours across sections of maine. macy, flooding concerns. now residents across the coastal sections of north carolina right up into the mid atlantic coast heading to the beaches should be on the lookout over the next couple of days especially this afternoon. we are looking at the threat for rough surf and rip currents. now here is a look at the next shot here where we expect to see the conditions continuing to improve across the cape cod area. notice the clouds are continuing to push away from the area. and we are looking at temperatures that are going to warm up as we head on into the course of the afternoon hours. nice conditions across the northeast and it is going to be a lot more comfortable. it is going to heat up tomorrow and really quick, an area of concern as we head into the afternoon and nighttime hours at the northern plains. that area could see locally severe weather. >> i'm sure they will appreciate the heads-up on that. a party to end all parties sunday way in new orleans right now. we are talking about the 20th

annual essence festival on this event's star-studded guest list, mary j. blige, lionel richie. it is considered the largest live event held in the united states with last year's attendance surpass inging a hal million people and brought in more than a quarter million dollars for new orleans. it is an msnbc growing hope event. another celebrity, chris witherspoon is there and joins us. nice to see you. >> hi, alex. how are you? >> well, thanks. i'm sure you are having so much fun there. we miss all of our colleagues that are down there in new orleans. let's talk about the attendance. i know they were hoping to break last year's record. do you have any numbers to share with us? >> weigh don't have any numbers right now. i have been here since yesterday. this place is so crowded. right now the convention center -- i think last year they had 120,000 folks come through here. we definitely have more than that. it is beyond packed. last night's big concert was prince. the house was full. not an empty seat in the house.

tonight we will have mary j. blige. a lot of great artists performing on the stage tonight. we got to catch up with one of the housewives of atlanta yesterday, sin yeah bailey. let's take a look and see what she had to say. >> i feel like i am the essence woman. i feel like i represent everything that essence is about. which is beauty, health, spirit, entrepreneurship. that's essence woman to me. i feel like the festival just an extension of the magazine where you can actually come and go to these panels and up the a lot of the people and take pictures with them, who you see in the magazine. >> this event is so much more than just concerts. view lot of news makers, celebrities that have been on the cover of "essence" taking part in empowerment panels. reverend sharpton will be doing a panel. so many folks that are big news makers come here and engage with

the community. >> you know, hay said prince absolutely brought the house down. he said it was the most amazing concert. i want to ask you about ---ing the fact that you say this is more than just a music festival. i'm looking at the booth behind you. it says economy on the banner there. talk about the different kinds of booths and things that people can go to and learn about their community and what they can do to help their own livelihood. >> so much more than just the concerts. this is the 20th anniversary. ten stages. now there are 20 stages in the con sense center that are empowering people. forms on spirituality and relationships. that's what essence is about. i grew up with "essence" magazine in my house. it is a magazine that's a one of a kind magazine that empowers the black community to take charge of your life. that's what these sessions occur across the convention center are about. >> well, i know it is a --

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new reaction today to the court decision heard around the country this week. we are talking about the supreme court's hobby lobby ruling. i was decided on monday in a 5-4 decision the high court ruled some for-profit companies were not obligated to provide contraception coverage to employees if it challenged their religious beliefs. joining me now is california

state senate candidate and women's health advocate sandra fluck. ladies, welcome. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> amy, i'm going to begin with you here. the decision was initially presented as a narrow ruling because it applies strictly to closely held corporations, companies in which five or fewer people own 50% of the shares and that stands for a majority of those that are employed in this count country. this can only be used when discussions the contraception mandate. are we already seeing a broader impact? >> it is not really clear. as you say, the majority in the case took great pains to say that this was a very narrow decision. it that doesn't allow employees to opt out of providing blood transfusionors vaccinations. on the other hand, justice ginsburg in her dissent. you see a little bit of this on

tuesday, the court signaled that this decision wouldn't just apply to the four specific kinds of birth control that the families in hobby lobby objected to. it did that by ruling on petitions for review that had been holding until its decision in the hobby lobby case. there has been a whole dance with an order out of the court in wheaton college which was religious institutions that was not required to provide contraception to its employees under the accommodation that the obama administration had worked out for the religious nonprofits. >> before i ask sandra a question here, someone whose mind i admire, an a white house adviser and university of pennsylvania ethics chair, department chair, he writes when you mentioned back scenes, what is to stop the slippery slope from moving on to companies and corporations that say you know what, we are opposed for

religious reasons to vaccines. many religions have some concerns about that. also, treatment for mental health. i mean, there is a slippery slope here potentially. >> that was the argument that was made at the oral arguments. the court says this particular scenario is different because there are already is work around the obama administration developed for religious nonprofits. how is had going to play out? it is frustrating for lawyers that argue before the supreme court. one of the worst things you can do if you say well, that's not in case. when the justices ask you about a hypothetical. here the supreme court said that's not this case. >> corporations are people. you will remember that mitt romney got knocked for that notion during the 2012 election. but the supreme court has ruled here that some corporations can, in fact, exercise religious rights just as people do. >> yes. it is a very disturbing ruling.

i think one that we are going to see the consequences of for years to come because as amy said, the court can say that they are only limiting this decision to the facts right now but that's just not how precedent works. the next thing we will immediately see and already starting to see signals of this is corporations going into court and asking to apply this as a way of having an exemption to a whole range of employee protections for folks who are lgbt q identified and other types of health care and for -- a whole number of protections that they will be looking to have an exception to. >> the foundation of hobby lobby's case was that the owner, david green, said look, i don't want to provide coverage for four of the 20 or so different types of contraception because i believe that they cause abortion because they prevent implanttation of a fertilized egg. i suppose people can debate over the word abortion there and whether, you know, they will be -- if that's the definition. this is -- there are four levels of contraception for types that

are being prevented here. there's another 16 that can be used. >> that's right. the court has already said that if a different organization or different business of which there are many that say that they object to all forms of birth control, they can also have access to the exemption. this is not limited to just certain types of birth control and ultimately i think we are going to see it is not going to be limited to just these areas of health care either. >> what are your greatest concerns about this going forward? >> my greatest concerns are that we are increasingly giving rights to corporations that were never intended under the constitution and that's being done at the cost of workers and employees rights and women's rights. so that type of slippery rope concern. there is just a host of consequence here. one of the ways we see this playing out is that there is an attack on women's access to health care from many angles. we see that there are limits on our ability to use our own money

to buy insurance and that covers abortion coverage through exchanges and there are attacks on government funding of health care clinics and then there's these attacks on our ability to have comprehensive reproductive health insurance provided by our employer. it feels like this is an attack on access from many angles. we saw that later this week in the wheaton decision amy referred to which is that on monday, i suppose it was, the court said one of the reasons that the corporation doesn't have to provide health insurance coverage that covers birth control is that the government already has this alternative plan for the insurance company providing it and without involving the corporation. then later in the week, the court went ahead and said actually, we are not sure that that plan works either. that might have to be changed as well. we can see that this is going to have a long list of consequences. >> amy, sandra articulated a number of concerns. what other challenges as you see resulting from monday's decision?

>> i do think, as is an dr. suggested, i think that whenever you got a ruling of this consequence, there are going to be challenges that follow. and when the court tried to limit it -- said certainly you couldn't rely on this decision to say that you can discriminate against someone based on race. and -- but that left open, well, what about -- you know, a challenge to someone who says that i don't believe want to photograph your same-sex commitment ceremony because i have religious objections to it. will this decision lead to opt-outs for laws that require people to treat everyone the same regardless of their sexual orientation. will it allow employers to say yea want to hire women because my religious beliefs say that they belong at home. the court really did take great pains to say this was a narrow decision but whether it will be really remains to be seen. >> i think there is a lot more discussion to be had on this. it is a change to summer

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welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." it is 32 past the hour. even more allegations are surfacing about that tragic death of a georgia toddler inside of a hot car. newly released search wafrpts are revealing more about the case against the boy's father who is accused of his murder. gabe gutierrez has the latest. >> reporter: investigators are scouring ross harris' computer, ipad and iphone trying to find more evidence about what may have led to the death of his son, cooper. newly released search warrants also allege he talked to family members about cooper's life

insurance policy after he died. and what they immediate to do in order to file for it. police say harris had two life insurance policies for his son totaling $27,000. >> potentially very significant, you know. we have to know more about the context which they took out life insurance policy. typically people don't take out life insurance policies on dodd ever toddlers because the purpose of life insurance is to insure one's mc. 22-month-old children don't have income. >> detectives say harris told him he had taken over the family's finances recently and racking up around $4,000 in credit card debt. buying airline miles this week the case's lead detective testified hair his a double life, sexting up to six women, clawing 16-year-old girl. allegedly swapping explicit messages, even as his 22-month-old son was dying in a stifling suv. >> proves motive because he was unhappy in his marriage and plan

to show he wanted to live a child-free life. >> no connection whatsoever when the events that day and the death of this child and this fantasy texting. >> reporter: harris pleaded not guilty to charges of murder and child cruelty. >> it is not criminal negligence. it is a horrible tragedy and accident. >> reporter: police say his wife was calm when she went to pick up cooper from daycare the day he died. and was told that he never had been dropped off. >> in front of several witnesses, all of a sudden she states, ross must have left him in the car. >> reporter: during a police interview when husband and wife were left in a room together -- she had him sit down and starts going through this. she looks at him and said, did you say too much? >> reporter: harris has not been charged with any crime. she's declined to comment. gabe gutierrez, nbc news, marietta, georgia. rip currents along the east coast are posing serious dangers in the wake of hurricane arthur which is now a post-tropical

storm. kristin dahl xwren is in long beach, new york, with more for us. hello. it is a gorgeous day out there. any concerns about arthur keeping folks out of the water or no? >> reporter: as you can see, a lot of people out here but anyone who goes into the water outside of those flagged areas right in front of the lifeguard area is getting a stern warning. they are very concerned. arthur may be hundreds of miles away but it has stirred up rip currents all along the east coast. it is changing and shifting the patterns of the sand so the water then in certain places rushes out. we had a lifeguard go in and give us a demonstration earlier and within a minute, he was sucked out and was pretty far offshore. he said it was like a treadmill, if you think of it that way, where you are running or swimming in this case against it and you are not getting anywhere. so it can be exhausting for swimmers who are experienced. lifeguards say the best thing is to relax if you get caught up in

one and eventually when you can swim parallel to shore to try to escape it. easier said than done, though. we are see something people keeping a really tight hand on their kids today because even wading into the water in some places it could be dangerous. a lot of concern. they had to move the barge last night that had the macy's fireworks display because it was in an area where it was getting caught in some rip currents and so it is not just people in the water. also, boaters need to be careful. >> think how heavy that barge is. that's speaking volumes about the rip currents we are facing out there. great heads-up. it looks gorgeous. how did you pull that particular assignment will, my friend? good job. >> reporter: you know, sometimes you luck out. a day at the beach. >> kristen dahlgren, thank you. could a day at your favorite beach make you sick? an eye opening new report by the natural resources defense council reveals as many as 10% of the nation's beaches failed new epa safety standards for

what constitutes safe swimming water. as a matter of fact beaches surveyed had particle levels of disease putting swimmers at risk of pink eye and stomach flu. how do you know if your favorite beach is safe? joining me now is the proper 23esor and director of the lab for coastal research, dr. beach. welcome back. good to see you. >> my pleasure. hire is a map. we are looking at the 17 dirtiest beaches of the report of referevery coast. we are not seeing along the gulf which is surprising. how does the agency mop tore these waters? >> the county health department are the ones that collect the data. it is based on bacteria in e. coaly and fresh water. they look at the number of colonies. the problem with the test sing how they collect the samples and send it to the lab and takes day or so getting results back. if you get a spike in these

holidays then you have to test it again. it is a long delay. that's one of the problems we are having. there is a dipstick test. it takes a couple of hours. i'm hoping epa is able to -- that soon because to me, that's one of the -- big problems. we close beaches and may get a spike because of sea gull will and droppings in the water. that's enough to close a beach. that was just one sea gull. i don't know, this testing is problemate pick. i know in our d.c. -- trying to do a good job in epa. one out of ten beach necessary the united states are not polluted, not dirty. i have been to every beach in the united states many times and never had any illness whatsoever. i know there are problems. >> sure. i'm glad you haven't experienced any troubles but there are those that have. for those who have where does the pollution come from? is it all human? environmental? where is it coming from? >> biggest problem is when you

get the rain storms. where does that dirty water off parking lots -- you see that, how filthy that is? where does it go? goes out drains. particularly if you are in a hilly area like southern california or other areas, water runs downhill and goes to the beach and got storm drains and stay away from the storm drains. they say stay away 50 feet. stay much further away than that. also, rivers. rivers can bring pollution from our streams from runoff from fertilizers and pesticides off of lawns. also, cows and other type of -- farm animals. all that comes out rivers. stay away from strange rivers. >> that makes a lot of sense. i know you are disputing to some degree the extent of the findings of the report. overall, dr. beach, do you find that beaches are getting cleaner or are they getting dirtier? >> i think that -- over the last ten years, they have gotten

cleaner. that's good merit to the beaches program that the -- states then -- federal government and epa are in partnership with. i just came back from air. over there, oh, my gosh. the famous beach in thailand, there's real water quality problems there. they don't test along the beaches. people don't even know what her going into. i applaud this program with testing and alert the public. i think one of the problems the new standards is, the states won't be able to test this. get the money from the epa to continue testing. there could be some very -- consequences of this new standard. a real concern about that. >> this country's top beaches, here are most of them in highway and florida. few in the northeast and south. i'm curious, california girl i am, there are none there. >> the beach in san diego, fantastic beach. national winner. you see the problem california has, again, is beautiful area.

wow. i can't say enough about it. again, you get all of the drainage off of lawns and go straight down the streets to the sea. where else will it go? it is very hard to contain all of that water. the good news is that most of the rain, as you know, is in the winter time. the surfers are not happy about that. in the summertime the only time warm enough for people go in. for swimmers it is not not a problem. surf riders foundation, a major environmental group, they are concerned about these new standards. we all want to increase standards. i think we have to test and it keep it. california has good beaches but have problems. it is just nature. >> i'm still going to the beach when i go home. just saying. thank you so much. >> my pleasure being with you again. payday at the white house. a new report on paychecks at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. starts with back pain... ...and a choice. take 4 advil in a day which is 2 aleve...

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pays almost double the average american salary. a new report shows the average salary at 1600 pennsylvania avenue is $83,000 a year. the u.s. average is $44,300. the heated debate raging over undocumented immigrants in southern california escalate flood a physical confrontation forcing police to get involved. officers arrested five people friday outside of a border patrol facility in murrieta. the police say the altercation began when a woman on one side of the crowd pushed someone from the other side. at the same time the recent surge of immigrant children crossing the border sparked an intense debate among lawmakers over what should be done with a group of house members visiting the texas-mexico border thursday. joining me now is joe watkins and jimy williams. hello, boys. good to see you both. >> hello,al next let's get your reaction.

what we are seeing in murrieta, california, with these protest, what do you hi? >> it is so unfortunate. i realize passions run hot. we all -- we all have an immigrant story of one kind or another. virtually i do. i'm the son of somebody who came here from another country. and so -- >> wait a minute. aren't we all? think about it. we are all somehow dash relatives of immigrants. >> we all have that story. i know that -- i understand why passions are running so hot. this isn't important discussion that has to be had. we have -- do it right. we have to think about border security as well as what we do to -- create a pathway for people to come to this country legally. here's going to be done in a thoughtful way. >> what do you think about the protest? >> i'm reminded of signs of signs of irish need not apply. i'm reminded of things that said whites only, et cetera, et cetera. you alluded to it. we are a country made up of

mutts. my family came here in 1659. we are not even a country. we made our way. guess what. here we are today. that does not make us any more or less american than anybody else. you get here, bring the folks into the fold and let them pay taxes and a billion dollar economy. a black market economy that's not working for any large segment of the phobes. there -- folks. >> i want to get what gutierrez said. he says, house republicans are making a huge mistake on immigration reform. in taking no action, republicans are choosing to forfeit the white house in order to hold power in the house of representatives and ending any chance conservatives have to sit in the oval office and control the executive brafrp and set foreign policy or nominate supreme court justices for decades to come. do you agree? >> well, that's quite a statement. i think that everybody in the house, democrat and republican,

wants to make sure whatever comes out is done right. and it takes time. right now it may not be the right time. obviously we know nothing will happen this year. it is such a contentious environment. we don't want to -- this is not the right time to finalize it. it takes time to come up with legislation that's thoughtful and that takes into account border security as well as ways to create pathway for people to become participating citizens in the country. not something we fight about but ought to be talking about it and figure out how to do it together. >> i agree with you. now is not the time. we are in an election year and that's not something we should be passing right this second. however, last provide was a year ago the senate sent a bipartisan -- overwhelmingly bipartis bipartisan. they have done nothing. the speaker, who i respect, said they will do it piece meal. zero. this is the problem. they had a we are to take care of the issue. never before have we had more

border sxagtsz more money pumped dow jones to border for border security than we have currently under this president. that's not the problem. it is absolutely -- not you but the republicans sit back and say we have a crisis on our hands. >> look -- you guys bring up a point. congress isn't doing anything about it. the president says i will act on my own with immigration reform. what do you think he should do? what can he do? what kind of executive power can he use to effect the change? >> first thing he can do -- going to ask for additional money. an emergency supplemental, if you will, to actually beef up more on the border. john mccain is asking for it. you alluded to that they went down there. guess what. he can't do unless the congress pass it is emergency appropriation for that particular thing. he can do certain things on executive order when it comes to

the deportation, et cetera, et cetera. but the bottom line is without congress' action, they are a co-eke with a branch of government. if they refuse to act he has nothing to frankly, the fault i their court. they have absolutely just fallen down on the job on this issue. >> do either of you think this is going to play out much in the midterms? joe, you first. >> i don't think so. i mean, obviously it's an important issue. people are going to be talking about it up to the midterms and after the midterms, but i think ultimately, it's not going to have a huge impact. this challenge is not going away. in the meantime, while we're figuring out how to come up with legislation that works, we've got to figure out what we do about all the young kids coming across the border. what a tragedy, what a tragedy. >> yeah that is a mess, and you look at the outbreak there in california and the reaction to all of it. jimmy, how do you see this playing out? >> i don't see it being a massive part -- playing a massive role in the elections. but the republicans have -- and joe alluded to it. they have a dilemma on their

hands. they put out a piece a year ago that said by 2050 we will have 150 million more latinos in this country by birth, not by immigration. think that through. we have 313 million people. we will add 1/3 of the population to that and it will be purely latino. it's the tanning of america, if you will. so if the republicans aren't smart, then they better get on the ball on this issue. i don't know when the best time to do immigration reform is. i know it was great a year ago. the bipartisan senate thought it was great a year ago. and here we are today. the more the delay, the harder it's going to be for them to actually get the latino vote at some point. >> okay, jimmy williams, joe watkins, good to see you both. it is a give and take fight to save what was once one of america's most prosperous cities. you're going to see why a key vote could kill a plan to rescue detroit. that's next. a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult.

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a crucial new turn. i'm talking about detroit, and a

final vote under way involving creditors, city workers and cuts to their pensions. columnist susan tompor writes about this in the "detroit free press" and joins us now. >> thank you for having me. >> let's talk about this vote, what it's about, how it can affect the city's bankruptcy plan. >> well, we're at a critical juncture here. the city, of course, filed for bankruptcy almost a year ago, july 2013 friday, which is july 11th, is when these ballots are due. and they're due in california at 5:00 p.m. eastern time. so pretty much people who are in detroit, retirees, maybe in florida, need to get those ballots in the mail today, tomorrow, monday because it has to be in california. it's an unusual thing. it's not like your taxes, which you can have postmarked as of the date. here this has to be in the offices to be calculated. and what's going on here is the retirees have to vote on a certain amount of cuts to their health care and to their

pension. if they vote no, and this is -- you had alluded to this earlier, this could kill a very big deal that was put together, many hours, hundreds of millions of dollars, and if the retirees vote no, it goes back to square one. and it's going to be a very difficult time in bankruptcy court. >> you know, susan, you're right about the vexing nature of this with all these retirees. they thought a savings plan would be safe money for them. is there an alternative to the cuts here? >> the alternative is it's going to get worse. >> that's not a good alternative. >> no, it's not. and that's what the emergency managers team has said here, that this is the best deal. and earlier, when we had reported on these cuts, we had talked about 27% cut to a pension. now it's cut down to 4.5% for the general retirees. but the people who are facing a very difficult vote, 4.5% obviously is a very big cut if you're on a fixed income.

it's not small. i don't want to make it sound like it is small. it's a lot smaller than 27%. so it's much better than it would have been. the difficult part, though, is some people have these annuity savings funds, and the annuity savings funds, and these are very difficult to calculate because the city manager, emergency manager claims that much more interest was paid than should have been paid on these funds. and very difficult. some people might be losing -- >> lots of money. it's a very complicated issue. we'll have you back. thank you for being with us. we'll have you back after this vote and see what happens with it. thanks. that is a wrap of the show, "weekends with alex witt." we'll see you back here tomorrow. up next, t.j. holmes, niese the the studio.

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