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iraq under siege. a video has just emerged from isis insurgents. a new message from its leader. a live report coming your way from baghdad. also some disturbing new allegations about that dad accused of leaving his little boy in a hot car. conversations police say he had with his wife after their son died are now generating new questions. also, transgender i.d. cards. a new york city program offers new hope and new recognition to the lgbt community. guns and grub. we'll check out a restaurant where the servers are bringing a different kind of heat to your order. talking to the owner today. also, door-to-door delivery for pot. there will soon be an app for that. and i will talk to the creators they have. today's big idea. and good afternoon to you all. i'm t.j. holmes in for mr. craig melvin today. do need to start with this developing story. just getting this over the past

couple of hours. islamic militant group isis has released a new video that purports to show the group's leader baghdadi. this would be the first known video of baghdadi and his first known public appearance since his group declared control over parts of iraq last sunday. keir simmons is in baghdad. what can you tell us about this video? >> reporter: t.j., good afternoon. it is reported to have been filmed yesterday. he is america's mortal enemy. he has, in his own words, declared that he wants to see a terrorist attack on america. he is the leader of isis, who, of course, have this michigan group that have stormed across large parts of iraq. but he's rarely seen until now. apparently this video shows him giving this -- baghdadi speaks to a large number of people in a mosque and describes himself as the leader of all muslims.

that is disputed by many muslim leaders all around the world, but that is what he says he is. he has, of course, already declared that he is establishing a caliphate in the north of iraq, this large area, a new country, if you like. but this is the first time we have really seen him in public. and t.j., that suggests that he is supremely confident. his forces continue to fight with iraqi forces across -- north of here and west of here. those battles continue, and iraqi forces are struggling. at the same time, iranian and russian fighter aircraft are in the air bombing isis positions. so it is an intent battle, and yet at the same time, he feels strong enough to stand up in public and give this sermon. >> and that is the significance. very telling there. keir simmons, thank you so much. we turn now to some new clashes that are breaking out today between israeli police and palestinian protesters in east jerusalem. today's protests follow violent

demonstrations on friday following the funeral of an arab teen who palestinians say was kidnapped and killed by jewish extremists. palestinian officials say preliminary autopsy results found the boy had been burned while still alive. we have the latest from jerusalem. >> reporter: outrage and concern here in east jerusalem over a video that has now gone viral. that video shows, according to palestinians, what they say is police brutality, a savage attack against a palestinian-american teenager who was accidentally caught up in clashes on thursday. this video, which nbc news has not independently verified, shows israeli soldiers detaining a palestinian teenager. then while subdued, he is repeatedly beaten before being dragged away, with others the israeli police detained. the boy is a 15-year-old

palestinian-american, a florida boy on vacation with his parents. >> i am infuriated. i am just in a state of shock. i'm just speechless. >> reporter: he was detained on thursday evening when israeli troops clashed in this east jerusalem neighborhood. tensions here have been running high all week. the loss of another teenager murdered they say by israeli jews. he was given a hero's welcome in his neighborhood after it was returned to the family. that grief gave way to sorrow as more clashes broke out friday evening. now, israeli police have commented on that video. they have defended the actions of their soldiers and say the video is biased, edited and out of context. they say that their soldiers were under tremendous amount of danger and that they came under attack by palestinian protesters with knives, molotov cocktails and pipe bombs. they say that 15 of their soldiers were attacked, but palestinian human rights activists say this is just another example of the type of

police brutality that goes unpunished when it comes to how israel deals with palestinians. t.j.? >> thank you so much. we turn now to more on what's playing out in jerusalem. bring in david rode. this is just another example, right? no matter how much diplomacy you throw at it, no matter how much money you might try to invest in this, things on the ground dictate and things can set off war literally that we have no control of. >> it's true, and some people around john kerry -- i covered him as he started off these peace talks. they warned that if these talks failed, there could be another intifada. israelis said the palestinians wouldn't compromise on the talks. it's a dangerous situation. when kerry broke off the talks, his aides said maybe if there was another round of violence, it would bring both sides back to the table to be more serious. but there's no sign of that at

this stage. >> what does this tell us about what is next, what is possible, what can work, what clearly doesn't? because it seems no matter what new talks are starting up, a new effort, we always end up back in this place. and right now we have children literally in the center. teenagers really have sparked -- not themselves, not on their own doing, but teenagers are at the center of this. >> i mean, the danger is that it's extremists on both sides that are driving this. it looks like extremists are aligned with hamas, that killed the three israeli teenagers. and there may have been -- there's no proof of this, but it could have been a retaliatory killing of a palestinian teenager. it just takes extremists to drive this kind of violence. but all politics is local. and a majority of israelis and the majority of palestinians have to agree that there needs to be a peace settlement. john kerry can make as many trips as he wants, but, you know, netanyahu and abbas have to decide to make major concessions, historic concessions. it didn't happen four weeks ago.

is this enough violence to maybe change their minds? it's not clear. or to change their calculus politically. they both decided earlier this year, you know, i'm not compromising. >> besides the violence that we do see and lives being at risk once again, what else is at stake in the grander scheme, in this current conflict we're seeing? >> the danger is, you know, you've already got isis taking over large parts of iraq. that's destabilizing world oil markets. you've got syria, millions of refugees, over a million refugees being produced from there. and if you have conflict now starting in israel in the west bank, this is all, you know, going to be a big question for the obama administration. he's got low approval ratings. he'll be expected to somehow help. how is the question. but back to economics. it's going to drive up oil prices if you have, you know, this kind of violence across the region. and that will impact an economy that's starting to pick up. the job numbers were very good last week. so it's a dangerous situation. >> you did travel with and

worked with -- you were covering john kerry on this latest round in trying to spark these talks. what was the mood? what was the sense of optimism or pessimism? you always have to be careful, because we see this play out year after year after year. but what was the level of hope for where we could be heading? >> there was hope in the beginning when he brokered the six-month agreement. and he was hoping that netanyahu and abbas would take enormous political risk. but at the end, there really wasn't much hope at all. martin endic was working as the main person on the ground. he gave interviews when the talks fell apart. he said that netanyahu and abbas essentially hate each other. there's huge distrust on both sides. they don't think the other side was negotiating good faith. so it's a very -- i don't see anything that's going to stop this situation from continuing to spiral. >> we will leave it on that. not a high note, but still, you have covered this a lot and certainly with john kerry on this latest round.

but again, david rohde, always good to have you here in studio with us. thank you so much. we'll talk to you again soon. >> thanks. >> all right, we're about ten minutes past the hour. to new frustration in one california town over the transfer of undocumented immigrants by federal authorities. officers arrested five people friday outside a border patrol facility in marietta, california, after scuffles broke out between protesters and immigrant rights supporters. >> miss, please relax. just relax, please. >> no. no. >> hey! can we get some help over here? >> hey, guys, help, please. >> come here. >> police say the altercation began when a woman on one side of the crowd pushed someone from the other side. nbc's miguel almaguer is in marietta with the very latest for us. miguel? >> a much more quiet scene outside this border patrol facility in marietta, california. gone are the protesters and

immigration advocates who squared off here on friday. it was a tense and at times combative situation here. both sides fueled by anger and passion. they waved flags, blocked streets and argued. marietta is at the center of this fiery immigration debate after protesters blocked three buses loaded with 140 undocumented immigrants tuesday. they were outnumbered by supporters who say they have come here to show compassion for immigrants fleeing violence and poverty in central america. both groups here were waiting for buses to arrive, full of undocumented immigrants that never got here. while those bases didn't arrive here in marietta, they did arrive in other communities across the southwest. but back here in this city, protesters say they will be prepared to turn those buses around if they get word they are headed back here. t.j.? >> all right, nbc's miguel almaguer for us, thank you so much. still ahead, beach goers need to be aware.

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a quarter past the hour now. the remnants of hurricane arthur continue to weaken and drift out to sea. on its way out, the system is leaving behind flooding, high surf and rip currents, something east coast beach-goers should be aware of this holiday weekend. let me bring in meteorologist jeanet jeanette kai. >> arthur is no longer with us. it's pretty much history now. it's continuing -- i should say the remnants of what was arthur

continuing to head into the gulf of st. lawrence. its outer rain bands -- what is left of arthur still producing some rainfall. some of it heavy across eastern sections of maine. conditions across maine will continue to improve as we head on into the later afternoon hours. for the rest of the northeast, we are looking at beautiful weather. beach goers heading to the beaches, if they haven't done so just yet, and as t.j. mentioned, there is the threat of high surf and rip currents. very dangerous rip currents. that threat will continue. so keep an extra eye on the little ones. that is the case from the new england coast through coastal sections of north carolina. on sunday, it is going to heat up. high pressure in control. many locations will see plenty of sunshine. a lot warmer than today. but not quite as humid. that heat and humidity really will impact much of the eastern seaboard. as we kick off the week on monday. elsewhere across the nation, here is an mcs. this formed overnight across eastern sections of nebraska. it's continuing to deteriorate and weaken as it heads

southeastward toward northern missouri, but this is an area that does not need any additional rain. more rain here will aggravate existing floods or cause additional flash flooding. there is the threat for some severe weather across sections of north dakota and northern minnesota through tonight. the threats will be heavy rain, damaging winds and large hail. t.j., really quick, another area that should watch out for some thunderstorms, some of which could put down a lot of rainfall in a short period of time, sections of florida, especially the interior parts of florida. >> let's go back, because a lot of people are still on beaches right now. these rip currents, where is there concern for the rip currents in particular, and give people a little bit of a reminder just what these things are, and not just dangerous. these things can be flat-out deadly. >> yes. that is certainly the case. again, as arthur is pretty much no longer with us, people think oh, i can just go out to the beach. and really not be aware of these conditions.

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welcome back. about 22 minutes past the hour. we have trolled the internet out there, twitter, looked around, asked our facebook friends what's going on. they told us this is what's trending at this minute. there are a lot of sad soccer fans out there right now, including this one, due to brazil's soccer stay neymar being out of the world cup. the young fellow has an injury now. he fractured a vertebra after he was kneed in the back in the final minutes of brazil's win over colombia yesterday. fifa has now launched an investigation into this injury. his injury even led to brazil's president to voice her support on twitter, writing along with the rest of brazil, i'm hoping for the recovery of our greatest player. that's a translation for you. some people are scratching their heads as well over this next story. joran van der sloot, remember him? he married his pregnant girlfriend in a ceremony in a peruvian prison. he was the main suspect in the disappearance of natalee

holloway. she disappeared while on a high school graduation trip to aruba. separately, he is serving 28 years for murdering a woman he met at a casino in peru. also, an american television icon celebrating its 25th anniversary today. the first ever episode of "seinfeld" premiered on july 5th, 1989. that is 25 years of quotes to live by. a lot of them that are probably not appropriate to repeat here. also just ahead, folks, it could be ground breaking. a new bill in new york city that offers i.d. cards for undocumented immigrants, and the homeless also gives new rights to transgender community. we're going to explain that to you. also, the new allegations about the dad accused of leaving his little boy in a hot car. the questionable conversation police said he had with his wife, where she asks, did you say too much?

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coming up on the bottom of the hour now, hurricane arthur has been downgraded to a post-tropical storm. winds falling to 70 miles an hour. the storm is moving northeast toward canada, while the u.s. coast is largely spared from damage. arthur did leave a high risk of rip currents for beach-goers this holiday weekend. some other stories making headlines. pope francis called for people around the world to protect the earth's natural resources. speaking in an agricultural region of italy, the pope called the destruction of south america's rain forests and other manmade environmental disasters a sin of our times. france beefing up airport security measures on flights to the u.s. the new measures were put in place at the request of american authorities. u.s. officials raised concerns this week about the possibility of new al qaeda attempts to place bombs on u.s.-bound planes. we do need to warn you about

this next video you're about to see. it is a bit disturbing. a california highway patrol officer that you see there in the spotlight has been placed on paid administrative leave after cell phone video shows him repeatedly striking a woman in the face along the side of a busy highway in l.a. the police report says the woman ignored officer commands and became combative. the highway patrol says it will conduct a full investigation. california civil right activists now calling for a federal probe. we turn now to a criminal case that is capturing the nation's attention. today more allegations are surfacing surrounding the death of a georgia toddler inside a hot car. there's the little guy you're seeing there. but newly released search warrants are revealing more about the case against the boy's father, who now stands accused of murder. nbc's gabe gutierrez has the latest from marietta, georgia. >> reporter: investigators are scouring ross harris's computer,

ipad, and iphone, trying to find more evidence about what may have led to the death of his son cooper. newly released search warrants also allege he talked to family members about cooper's life insurance policy after he died, and what they need to do in order to file for it. police say harris had two life insurance policies for his son, totaling $27,000. >> it's potentially very significant. you know, we have to know about the context in which they took out the life insurance policy. typically, people don't take out life insurance policies on toddlers because the purpose of life insurance is to insure one's income. 22-month-old children don't have income. >> reporter: cobb county detectives here say harris told them he'd recently taken over the family's finances, racking up around $4,000 in credit card debt, buying airline miles. this week, the case's lead detective testified harris had a double life, sexting with up to six women, including a 16-year-old girl.

allegedly swapping explicit messages, even as his 22-month-old son was dying in a stifling suv. >> it proves motive because he was unhappy in his marriage. he planned to show he wanted to leave a child-free life. >> no connection whatsoever between the events of that day and the death of this child and this fantasy texting. >> reporter: harris has pleaded not guilty to charges of murder and child cruelty. >> it's not criminal negligence. it's a horrible tragedy and an accident. >> reporter: police say his wife leanna was calm when she went to pick up cooper from daycare the day he died and was told he'd never been dropped off. >> in front of several witnesses, all of a sudden she states, ross must have left him in the car. >> reporter: then during a police interview when husband and wife were left in a room together -- >> she had him sit down and she looks at him and she's like, did you say too much? >> reporter: leanna harris has not been charged with any crime

and she has declined to comment. gabe gutierrez, nbc news, marietta, georgia. >> our thanks there to nbc's gabe gutierrez. want to turn now to a new bill to create i.d. cards for new york's half a million undocumented immigrants. it could also be a boom to transgender new yorkers. the card, which will be available to all legal residents, perhaps as soon as this year, would give new yorkers the ability to self-identify by gender. the executive director of the transgender legal defense and education fund characterizes it this way. for transgender people, having i.d. that matches who they are is essential to being able to participate fully in society. we have the executive director of the national center for transgender equality. thank you for being here. you know, as a matter of personal preference, it's what a transgender person might want on their card. but explain some of the practical day-to-day challenges with having an i.d. that shows a

gender that doesn't match who they are. >> well, most americans don't think about their i.d. much. they bring it out all the time. you have to use it a couple times a day, in many cases. in our post-9/11 world, you can't have a job. you can't go shopping. you can't, you know, buy a beer. you can't open a bank account. so you can't really participate fully in society unless you have i.d. that matches who you are. and just imagine if your name is andre, but your driver's license says that your name is tenisha. because the state you live in has a really outdated, onerous policy for when you can change the gender marker on your driver's license. a gender marker, which by the way, probably shouldn't be on driver's licenses anymore. >> so new york, so much talk about these new i.d. cards, was about, of course, giving these i.d. cards to undocumented immigrants. the 500,000 or so. but also, it's also going to

allow transgender folks to identify, to self-identify. how many people potentially this the city of new york could this have an impact on in the transgender community? >> well, there's no exact number known of transgender people, but by the way, what i'll mention is we think there's about 35,000 to 50,000 undocumented transgender immigrants in the united states. so remember there's a lot of overlap between immigrants and transgender people. but we'd expect in new york city that there would be several thousands of people who could -- who are not undocumented immigrants, but who could benefit from this. >> and this is not the first city to do so. but what is the significance of new york city now taking this step? >> well, whenever new york city does anything, it's a big deal. it covers a lot of people. and, you know, big cities are still magnets for lgbt people

and transgender people who can feel a little bit more safe there. so it's actually a really big deal. other cities like los angeles, san francisco, and washington, d.c. have also had these municipal i.d. cards. you know, the more places the better. and new york is always a leader in things like this, so we're really glad to see it happen. >> you expect others -- i guess you mentioned a couple of cities in california. but has this been a slow process, or do you think it will pick up steam, if you will, with more local and state governments following suit and going this direction, now that new york has done it, but has this been a long and slow journey? >> well, it's really just been the last five or six years where states have been modernizing their driver's license policies to allow transgender people to get accurate i.d. without outdated qualifications.

so, you know, we see a lot of trends moving in our direction all at once. but yeah, the municipal i.d.s is really a response to the inhumane way that a lot of undocumented immigrants are treated by states. and it's a new process for people to be thinking about it as a transgender policy. but, you know, we expect that will pick up speed really quickly and we'll see it in more and more places. >> the last thing, too, you hear it -- there has been some concern, i guess security concerns are brought up. do you see them in some way at least valid, if someone is allowed to go in and identify, self-identify as one thing or the other? there's potential for fraud here, if you will. there's potential for even security risks here. >> yeah, not at all. the only reason sex is on driver's licenses or other i.d.s

any way is because there didn't used to be pictures on the i.d.s. and all the other things like that, like hair color, eye color, height and weight and race, they've all been falling by the wayside pretty quickly. and sex should as well. but the federal real i.d. act requires sex to be on the driver's license for no good reason. but no, there's nothing -- when a police officer pulls you over for speeding, it doesn't matter whether you're a man or a woman. what matters, though, is when you use the i.d. to open a bank account or to buy wine at a restaurant, you shouldn't have to out yourself as transgender. you shouldn't have to put yourself at risk from discrimination or disrespect or even violence. >> mara, thank you so much for taking some time with us. >> thanks for having me. >> from the national center for transgender equality. >> thanks. a big name showed out last night in new orleans at the 20th anniversary of the essence music

festival. prince performed. and you can imagine how that show probably went. the annual festival in full swing right now, continuing through tomorrow. will feature a lot of big names. chris witherspoon joins me now where the party is taking place. let me know, man. how did it go last night? prince! >> it was amazing, t.j. you should be here. this festival is the biggest and best that it gets. last night, prince really proved why he is headlining this show. he gave 14 of his greatest hits -- he took to the stage and said here's what i'm going to do. i'm going to give you 14 of my greatest songs and he really did. every song you love of prince, including "purple rain," he delivered. there was not an empty seat in the house. we were all standing. and he proved why he's the best. >> i wish i could have been there for that. i assume he did "purple rain" last. i've seen one of his concerts before and he always brings it down at the end. we'll talk more about prince later. but let me get into one other thing. one of "the real housewives of

atlanta," cynthia bailey, a former model. you talked to her about equality for black models. i want to play something she said to you, and then i'm going to bring you back in on the other side. so let's just listen to this first. >> it definitely is still a fight for equality. however, things have definitely gotten better. i mean, you know, my mentors, beverly, those women broke barriers for me, and i broke barriers for the girls after me. however, is it still equal? no, it's not. >> again, i want you to elaborate a little on what she was saying there. there's a party going on there at essence, but this is a big event, a big cultural event where the black community talked about a lot of things, including, yes, equality for models. >> cynthia bailey is on one of the biggest shows on bravo, but she got her career in modelling. she's been on essence two times. early in her career and later in her career. she was talking about how there has been a lot of fashion --

hey, tamron hall! >> are you kidding me? >> hi. >> hey, t.j. >> tamron doesn't get enough air time? she has to crash this show too? >> tamron just had a receiving line. she was here doing a meet and greet for our growing hopes. >> yes. we were here for the growing hopes. it was fantastic. stephanie wants me out of your live shot now. oh, i'm okay. >> how does it feel being here for the 25th anniversary of essence? tell me about the aura. the vibe here right now. >> it feels amazing. it is like -- i told someone, it's like coming home to family that you've never met. we were just standing there and everyone hugs you. and they're happy for you. they're happy to be here. they're happy to look at ways to improve our community, and by our community, african-american. but the country as a whole. so look at all these people over here. >> we were just talking about cynthia bailey, a model that i spoke to yesterday. she was talking about how this festival really empowers black women. how has this magazine and movement empowered you? >> oh, my gosh.

growing up, "essence" was always there. "essence" for me was appreciated especially in my 20s when i'm coming of age and you're trying to understand who you are and you're embracing your natural curls and all these things about you. it really made me feel confident in black beauty. that i was as beautiful as the barbie doll who didn't look like me. and i could be anything that i wanted to be. lena horn is my idol. when you hear about them all in essence, we know that we are special. >> you are so right. t.j., i think she summed it up. i don't know if you saw tamron embrace her natural hair, but everybody loved it. >> that's not it right there? >> bye. >> all right. well, chris. i guess we'll talk to you later. nobody's going to remember you from this live shot, by the way. but good to see you.

we'll see you here shortly. growing hope. if you're in the new orleans area this weekend, you can visit us at the convention center. reverend al sharp ton, joy reid, and we just proved that tamron hall is there. you can share your stories of hope and what you hope for change in our communities. be sure to stop by. 41 minutes past the hour now. news in the tennis world today, it took petra kvitova 55 minutes to win the women's final at wimbledon today. the 25-year-old czech defeated canada's eugenie bouchard. arthur ashe became the first african-american man to win the wimbledon singles title. he didn't think he had a chance against jimmy connors. connors was 11 years younger. in the end, ashe walked away with the oldest and most coveted men's tennis title. here's a look at how "nightly news" covered this historic event. >> arthur ashe surprised nearly

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in denver and seattle would be able to order several types and amounts from different dispensaries, then a driver delivers them to your house. apple is going to need to be able to approve this thing. not clear if they would. we reached out to apple to ask. haven't heard back yet. josiah and maria are students at university of washington and they came up with the idea. let me start with you here. are you sure this is legal? we can get medicinal marijuana delivered? >> yeah, absolutely. we're working within the confines of state law and state regulation to make sure we're doing this properly. >> all right. so you tell me then why this idea? why do you think there is an opening here? >> there's a whole new industry coming out with cannabis legalization sweeping the country. it's virtually been untouched by the technology that exists in other industries. you can look at uber and it's the taxi industry. nothing like that exists in the cannabis industry.

it's a whole area of technology that hasn't existed yet. and there's a whole new opportunity there, which is why we came up with this idea. and kind of want to innovate on what the industry already has. >> josiah, what are the chances apple's going to okay this thing? >> we're very confident that apple will approve of the app. there's similar apps that exist and there's no transactions happening through the app. so we're confident they'll approve it. >> do i have it right that the ones that exist now -- nobody's delivering necessarily. there are other apps that allow you to find dispensaries and people are rating marijuana. but is anybody else delivering? >> no, there's nothing like this. but just similar information-based services, and of course, our transactions will happen outside of the app. >> and meg, how are you making sure now that this thing isn't going to be abused by other folks? i assume you're going to have some kind of registry and to make sure that people are ordering and the stuff's being delivered to are legitimate card-carrying, you know,

medicinal marijuana use sners. >> when users sign up, they'll up load a picture of their medical marijuana card, their i.d. and a picture of themselves. we have staff at canary will call their doctor and make sure the person who signed up is actually a patient. also when they order through the app and a courier comes to the house, the courier will be trained to check the i.d. to make sure we're not delivering to the wrong person. >> i've got 15 seconds left. last thing, you want to expand this to the recreational folks, don't you? >> yeah, we see this being really big. down the line, five years from now, nationwide deliverdelivery long as laws catch up with us. >> weed to your door. look at those faces, folks. thank you so much. we'll see what happens with the app canary. if you have a big idea, let us know about it on twitter. use the #whatsthebigidea.

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welcome back, folks. the city of rifle, colorado, living up to its name, causing a little controversy here at the same time. that's because a local restaurant, shooters grill, encourages its employees and patrons to pack heat. waitresses serve you up a burger while their loaded handgun is on the hip. for $75, the restaurant will train you to qualify for a state concealed weapon permit. unusual, you may say. this is all completely legal. 44 states, including colorado, allow residents to cart their guns out in the open. 14 of those states, you don't even need a permit to openly carry a firearm. so let me bring in from shooters grill, the restaurant's co-owner lauren. thank you so much for being here. was this just a matter of promotion? was this a good promotional tool

for you guys? it's worked pretty well if it was. >> no, sir, it's not. this was actually just my personal decision to start open carrying in my restaurant. my husband and i own this place, and he's out of state right now and i miss him a bunch. i hope he's watching. but anyhow, it was my personal decision to start open carrying, and when i learned the state law that you did not need a permit to open carry, i began to open carry immediately, and since then, i have applied for my concealed permit. but my waitresses, they just began to approach me and ask if they could open carry in the restaurant as well. and the ones that did approach me, they had already gone through training. they had already had permits. and i welcome that. i said yes, you may. and now any waitress that does come in, they must go through training before they're allowed to open carry in the restaurant. while it's not a state law that they have to, it's my law. >> ma'am, you know you can. please, everybody out there needs to understand this is perfectly legal.

it's perfectly legal in most states, frankly. >> yes, sir. >> you can do it. but why do it? why did you want to start open carrying at your restaurant? >> well, i was here before the sun came up and i was here after the sun came down. a lot of times i was alone. it just made me feel a little bit more safe to have that extra security. not that we live in a dangerous town or anything. but you don't know what's going to happen, and it was just nice to have that extra security. >> what about the rest of the women in your -- i say women, but all the waiters in your restaurant? i guess walking around during the day, it's one thing to have it if you're there late at night or early in the day. but when you have customers all around, when you have another six or so waitresses with all that heat, if you will, armed weapons, i guess where is the security concern during the day? >> well, you don't know when something's going to happen. and we're not expecting anything to happen. i mean, we do live in a blessed community, and i'm not expecting any sort of attacks. i've mentioned before we have

fire extinguishers and i'm not expecting a fire. i've had people come and say to me, you know, if i owned a gun, i would only carry it when i needed it. and i said, well, maybe you know something i don't know because i don't know when something's going to happen. i don't know if there would be an attack. so maybe there's something i'm missing out on here. >> the restaurant of -- i guess what's the reaction? and, you know, a lot of people in the country, frankly, can't relate. and it intimidates people. we don't see it that often. we see it, but we don't see it that often. it's not so common to see a citizen walking down the street with a weapon on their hip. so i guess what is your message to those folks, and even maybe a lot of little kids who might come in. a lot of people just find it scary and intimidating. >> yes, sir. i'm actually learning that it's not so common around the rest of america. like you know, we live in a small town here and it is very common. and most of the children here, they're raised around it. they're raised to know the dos

and don't's. my children, they're being raised to properly use a firearm so there would be no mistakes. there's no excuse for anyone to own or possess a firearm ignorantly. >> one other thing here, you encourage other people to come in, you say hey, please keep your weapons holstered if you come in. you have a sign out that actually says this. you actually tell them in such cases that you have to bring it out. judicious marksmanship is appreciated. i know that's kind of tongue-in-cheek there, but do you have any concerns that other folks who come into your -- if they have their guns on them, come into the restaurant, that maybe they don't have good marksmanship? maybe they aren't as trained. are you concerned about everybody else's level of common sense when they have their loaded weapon on them as well? >> yes, sir. i don't know everyone's level of common sense or their marksmanship. i just trust that they are good law-abiding citizens and they have gone through proper training, and that they have been raised to properly use a

firearm. >> all right. lauren boebert, shooters grill. we appreciate at least being able to tell the story and alert people to what's going on, and laws they might not know about. so thank you so much for your time. i know we'll talk to you again. >> thank you. god bless america. >> we're about three minutes to the top of the hour. we'll give you an update on some developments we're seeing out of iraq. today in a new video that has a lot of people's attention today. da(????

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also, poverty in america. almost 48 million americans live in poverty. you may be surprised when you hear who's backing down on a promise to help them. hello to you all. at the top of the hour here now. thank you so much for being with us here on msnbc. i'm t.j. holmes in today for mr. craig melvin. and the dwpi indeveloping story the middle east first. isis has just released a new video. it purports to show the group's leader, abu bakr al baghdadi, delivering a sermon in the city of mosul. although not independently verified by nbc news, this would be the first known video of baghdadi and his first known public appearance since his group declared control over parts of iraq and syria last sunday. let me bring in nbc's keir simmons in baghdad with more on this video and also the significance of seeing this video now. >> reporter: hey, t.j., good afternoon. well, to put this in context, this is the leader of isis, a

group that is described as more ruthless than al qaeda. a group that are storming across north and west iraq, threatening the government of iraq. abu bakr al baghdadi is the leader of that group, and yet he is rarely seen. thought to be just two known about grainy pictures of him, until now. until this video that has been released on social media by isis. now, as you say, we can't say for certain that it is him. that isn't independently verified by nbc news. but if it is him, it is said to be him preaching at a mosque yesterday in mosul, a city to the north of baghdad, openly in front of crowds of people. remembering that this is a mortal enemy of america. it is a man who has threatened america with terrorist attacks, and yet he is there giving his sermon, declaring himself as the

leader of all muslims. it suggests a confidence even while his forces are battling with iraqi forces here across iraq. while here in baghdad, t.j., people are deeply frightened that at some point, isis will move on this city, will threaten this city or try to do damage to this city. we met one family who the father said with his little girl just a few weeks ago, they narrowly escaped being killed by an ied. but that happens here all the time. another man we spoke to on the street, i asked him are you frightened? he said i'm not frightened because we live with death here every day. >> keir simmons for us there in baghdad. thank you so much, keir. we want to turn now to new frustration in one california town over the transfer of undocumented immigrants by federal authorities. officers arrested five people friday outside a border patrol facility in marietta, california, after scuffles broke out between protesters and

immigrant rights supporters. nbc's miguel almaguer is in marietta with the latest for us there. miguel? >> reporter: a much more quiet scene outside this border patrol facility. gone are the immigration advocates who squared off here on friday. it was a tense and at times combative situation here. both sides fueled by anger and passion. they waved flags, blocked streets and argued. once again, marietta is at the center of this fiery immigration debate after protesters blocked three buses loaded with 140 undocumented immigrants tuesday. they were outnumbered by supporters who say they have come here to show compassion for immigrants fleeing violence and poverty in central america. both groups here were waiting for buses to arrive, full of undocumented immigrants that never got here. now, while those buses didn't arrive here in marietta, they did arrive in other communities across the southwest. but back here in this city, protesters say they will be prepared to turn those buses around if they get word they are

headed back here. t.j.? >> miguel almaguer for us in marietta, california. thank you so much. thousands of those undocumented men, women, and children who have been apprehended after entering the u.s. or mexico are facing a pretty uncertain future. anna garcia martinez, the first lady of honduras, said her country is preparing to receive about 20 flights over the next two weeks filled with hon durans being returned from the u.s. most of the recent surge came from honduras, guatemala, and el salvador. let me bring in congressman henry -- what have you been seeing at some of these facilities? there was so much talk about trying to -- they were crowded and the conditions weren't great. what are you seeing now? >> well, they're still crowded because the number of folks are still coming across into the u.s. a large number of folks coming in.

the facilities at the border patrol stations are just not equipped to handle that numbers. the border patrol is trying to do the best that they can. once they get processed, then depending on who they are, if they're adults, they're being sent back to their countries, and in fact, there's about 20 to 25 flights a week that are going back south, but those are only the adults. what do we do about the family units? what do we do about the young kids that are coming in without parents? that is what's complicating the situation. >> congressman, on that point, that the adults are being sent back, is that, in fact, the case? because depending on where some of these folks are from, if they are from central america, they can't necessarily just be turned around and sent back. they enter our system and they enter deportation proceedings. those deportation proceedings take quite a lot of time. quite frankly, we don't have

enough imgrimigration courts or immigration judges in this country to handle the load, so is it your understanding that they are being turned around and sent quickly? >> one of the major issues we have here, why this is happening besides the root problems that we have in those countries, poverty and violence. but there's a 2008 law that basically says that when border patrol catches somebody, if they're from a contiguous country like mexico or canada, they can be expedited, they can be sent back on a voluntary basis. but if you're not in a contiguous country like central america, they go into the system. i think we need to change that law. shouldn't take that much effort. change that law and treat everybody the same and do the detention and removals as quickly as possible. >> that is a big key, because literally some of these folks once they enter into the system are waiting a year, a year and a half before they get to a court proceeding, so as we're talking

about trying to get them deported so quickly, our system just can't allow. so what we're seeing now with these flights going back to honduras, we don't know exactly who these folks are, when they possibly entered. but do we need to be, in your opinion, seeing and hearing more about this? is that what we need to be hearing and seeing more of, that we've got flights seeing large numbers of folks back out of here who crossed this border illegally? >> i talked to the head of issa a few days ago, and i told them the best message we can send those countries is to say that we're going to detain and we're going to return them as soon as possible. that's the message we need to send back, because if not, you can put all the border patrol on the border. right now we've got 18,500 men and women doing a great job. but remember, they're coming over, they're not trying to hide. a lot of them are saying here we are. so therefore, the message has to be detain and remove just the way we treat mexicans right now. >> what do you think -- the

president's going to be heading down to texas in the coming week. no plans at this point to visit the border. would you like for the president to do so, and while he's there, to take a look at the situation and to address what's happening along the border there in your state? >> well, it will be nice if he does this, but i think it's one step too late. i think he should have done this at the very beginning. i do want to thank secretary johnson, who's been there many times and other folks have been down there. but again, the message to those countries should be very simple. we're beginning to detain you and we're going to remove you as quickly as possible. if we don't take that incentive away, no matter how many border patrol you put up at the border, they will keep coming. you have to send that message. take the incentive for them to come over here at this time. >> and to your point, sir, you said the president now -- he went to the border, that would be a step too late. the president has asked for some additional money. no indication that that would get approved. and this is a problem that the u.s. spends 18 or so -- $18

billion on a year and that still hasn't stopped the problem. so what can the president do at this point in your opinion if you do say already he's a little too late? >> well, the reason i'm saying it's a little bit too late, because this didn't happen a month ago when i released those photographs of those detention centers that we had there with a lot of people. didn't just happen about a month ago. this has been going on for a while. why did the administration of the white house not take some steps back in october or last year? they should have taken steps at that time, but it was kept very, very quiet. and this is where i'm a little upset, quite honestly, with the white house. because they knew about this and they let it go. and they let it go. and they let it go. this is why i keep saying they're one step too late. >> all right, congressman cuellar, we always appreciate you chiming in on this topic. it's not going away any time soon. you enjoy the rest of your weekend. thanks so much. >> thank you, t.j.

hurricane arthur we'll turn to now. now it's a post-tropical system in the atlantic. it battered areas with high winds and heavy rains. now many beach-goers are going to try and salvage their holiday weekend. jeanette calle is with us. is it still salvageable? >> it looks like what is hurricane arthur is continuing to head into the gulf of st. lawrence. we're still looking at the threat of four rip currents and also high surf in the wake of this, especially across the new england coast down into the mid-atlantic coast. here is what's left of what was arthur. just some rain now continuing to push off to the east. it's moving away from eastern maine. conditions continuing to improve across coastal sections of new england. in terms of any additional wet weather, at least not for the next 24 to 48 hours. conditions will continue to improve. high pressure is building in from the west. temperatures on the rise

throughout the course of the afternoon. plenty of sunshine. we're talking highs in the low to middle 80s. that area of high pressure will continue to push off to the east and with that southerly wind flow, things are really going to warm up across the northeast on sunday. but i think the oppressive heat and humidity will return as we head on into next week, t.j. >> all right, now the storm is -- it's out of here. now the sky is clear. we go out to the beach. everybody's thinking, all right, we're good to go now. let's go get in this water. we can salvage this weekend. rip currents are an issue. will you explain this to folks? we've got a little graphic here that shows it. walk people through this once again, why these things are so dangerous, what they need to be looking out for. >> rip currents, extremely dangerous. they can take down a swimmer in a matter of seconds, whether you are experienced or not. so those beach-goers heading to the beach this weekend today and/or tomorrow should keep an extra eye, especially on the little ones who tend to just run out into the beach. now, really quick before -- i

wanted to mention there is an area of thunderstorms that's continuing to weaken across sections of iowa. but any additional rain here will aggravate existing floods and there also is the threat for severe thunderstorms into tonight across north dakota and northern minnesota. thunderstorms there may bring damaging winds, hail, heavy rainfall. plus, some thunderstorms spotty in nature across the interior sections of florida. nonetheless, those two could produce frequent lightning and periods of heavy rain, t.j. >> all right, jeanette calle, and welcome, good to have you with us here this weekend. coming up, new details about a highway patrol officer caught on camera apparently beating a woman. hear what investigators say the woman was doing before this confrontation. also, the future of black voters. talking to maxine waters about her fight to reinstate voting rights that were struck down by the supreme court. [ female announcer ]

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other stories to you now that are making headlines this saturday. a shark has attacked a swimmer in manhattan beach, in southern california. happened around 9:20 local time this morning. witnesses say they saw the victim carried into an balance by a lifeguard. beach-goers in the immediate area have been told to stay out of the water. also in philadelphia, four children dead after a fast-moving house fire. eight homes were destroyed before firefighters brought the flames under control. the cause of that fire still under investigation. the world cup has ended abruptly for brazil's neymar. the 22-year-old superstar is out of the tournament after he broke a bone in his back during the team's victory over colombia. brazil goes up against germany on tuesday. we turn now to a criminal case that's capturing national attention. today more allegations surfacing surrounding the death of a georgia toddler inside a hot car. newly released search warrants

are revealing more about the case against the boy's father who now stands accused of murder. nbc's gabe gutierrez has the latest from marietta, georgia. >> reporter: investigators are scouring ross harris's computer, ipad, and iphone, trying to find more evidence about what may have led to the death of his son cooper. newly released search warrants also allege he talked to family members about cooper's life insurance policy after he died and what they need to do in order to file for it. police say harris had two life insurance policies for his son, totaling $27,000. >> it's potentially very significant. you know, we have to know more about the context in which they took out the life insurance policy. typically, people don't take out life insurance policies on toddlers because the purpose of life insurance is to insure one's income. 22-month-old children don't have income. >> reporter: cobb county detectives here say harris told him he'd recently taken over the family's finances, racking up

around $4,000 in credit card debt buying airline miles. this week, the case's lead detective testified harris had a double life, sexting with up to six women, including a 16-year-old girl, allegedly swapping explicit messages, even as his 22-month-old son was dying in a stifling suv. >> it proves motive because he was unhappy in his marriage. we plan to show that he wanted to live a child-free life. >> there's been no connection whatsoever between the events of that day and the death of this child and this fantasy texting. >> reporter: harris has pleaded not guilty to charges of murder and child cruelty. >> it's not criminal negligence. it's a horrible tragedy and an accident. >> reporter: police say his wife leanna was calm when she went to pick up cooper from daycare the day he died and was told he'd never been dropped off. >> in front of several witnesses, all of a sudden she states, "ross must have left him in the car."

>> then, during a police interview when husband and wife were left in a room together -- >> she had him sit down and she looks at him and says, did you say too much? >> reporter: leanna harris has not been charged with any crime and she has declined to comment. gabe gutierrez, nbc news, marietta, georgia. now turn to more violent clashes today between israeli police and palestinian protesters. tensions are still extremely high just a day after the funeral of an arab teen who palestinians say was kidnapped and killed by jewish extremists. palestinian officials say preliminary autopsy results found the boy had been burned alive. nbc's ayman is there with the latest. >> reporter: there's growing concern and outrage in east jerusalem over an amateur video that has now gone viral. that video shows israeli security forces beating a palestinian boy. now, nbc news has learned the identity of that boy, a 15-year-old

palestinian-american. his family told us earlier today that their son was here on vacation with the family, and in fact, he was actually visiting relatives near the site of clashes when they broke out on thursday. since then, he had been arrested, taken by israeli security forces, after he was very badly beaten. his condition was extremely troubling for them. but the kprooisraeli police hav discredited that video. they are trying to say the video was edited or was biased and out of context. they defended the actions of their soldiers by saying they were under tremendous amount of threat from possible attacks, including those from palestinian protesters that they say carried knives, molotov cocktails and pipe bombs. but the family of the palestinian american boy that we spoke to said that couldn't be further from the truth. this was a young man who was here visiting family and relatives. this was only the third time he had come to jerusalem. the last time he was here was ten years ago. he had no type of activity with palestinian organizations or groups or political activity. and, in fact, he was just at the

wrong place at the wrong time. but the concern among the family is that he was so savagely beaten, and now he's not receiving the medical care that he needs for a recovery. they've actually now appealed to the american consulate here in east jerusalem, which we understand has actually paid a visit to the boy in prison. but it gives you a sense of the kind of tensions, and how america is actually indirectly being caught up in this conflict. keep in mind, earlier in the week, another israeli american was also buried after he was killed by what the israeli government says were hamas militants. even though the united states is being sucked into this conflict with some of its citizens getting caught up on both sides. but there is growing concern this evening that violence could spread. we've seen some clashes in arab cities inside israel proper and that would be the first time that violence has spread beyond the city of jerusalem where the clashes have been the most intense over the course of the past week since that palestinian teenager was killed at what his family says were the hands of

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than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm. amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief. the supreme court is officially on summer vacation. the justices ended their term this week with a slew of controversial decisions, namely on women's health. the high court ruled closely health companies do not have to abide by an obamacare mandate to provide contraception if it violates their religious believes. late thursday sided with wheaton college, a christian school, a waiver that would have gotten the school off the hook to provide birth control to female employees. signing the document would have

allowed women to get contraception other ways and it felt that was a sin. let me bring in goldie taylor, and ken blackwell. goldie, what are we seeing here? what do we see with the wheaton case? some think it's a backtrack with this court decision on the wheaton case. >> well, you know, i think the dam is open. i think the decision leaves open the possibility of other closely held or family held companies that are not necessarily publicly held with stockholders. i think it leaves open for them to challenge any number of inencumbran inencumbrances. what we do know is that women are taking notice of this and that there's been an early and deep backlash to this decision. we know it's going to impact 2014. it may very well impact 2016. but what's really most telling is it's going to impact the

businesses themselves, because women are frankly shopping someplace else, and i think those are penalties that people didn't expect to pay. >> jackie, let me bring you in here. what are we seeing from the female justices now? sotomayor wrote that signing this waiver is contrary to its religious believes. she said she genuinely believes that, but thinks one's religious believes are substantially burdened does not make it so. what do you think we're seeing from the female justices? >> i mean, they're clearly not pleased with these two decisions and they're going to have to hear it again, because coming in the fall, you'll have non-profits angling for much of the same thing as hobby lobby. so we're going to see this happen again and again. maybe until there's other people on the court. but it looks like this court has taken this position and it's not going to change given the makeup of the court right now. >> help us with the balance then, ken. balancing the right of a woman to make decisions about her own health and freedom of religion.

>> well, let's take the decision last week. it was a great victory for religious liberty. this was not about contraception. this was about abortion. 20 out of 24 contraceptives, hobby lobby actually made available to their employees. it was only four that they took exception to. and the court ruled in their favor. so it was a victory for religious liberty and those who champion religious liberty can celebrate. let's not go too far and say that this was a war on women and their right to have access to contraceptives because it was not. so i think it's going to be a matter of making sure that the correct justice level -- i mean,

issue and narrative is put forth, not this fake war on women that plays to the political on tbjectives that pl to some. >> i think you know that this had to do with abortion. i think there are differences of opinion out there. hobby lobby certainly entitled to theirs, but there are other medical professionals out there who will tell you otherwise. >> i've got to ask ken, that if i form a corporation that i want to be a separate entity, so i can have some legal protections, i want that same corporation to carry my values. i really can't have it both ways. but this supreme court says that i really can. what the supreme court also said is that while they limited this decision to these, they also opened it up in terms of religious liberties. if i'm a company run by a roman

catholic and i decide that all birth control is against my deeply held religious belief, i can challenge it on that basis, and according to this decision, that doesn't stand. so it does involve contraception. it involves a lot of things, including, you know, including blood transfusions. if i'm a jehovah witness and i own a company and i don't want blood transfusions to be covered, i don't have to do that under this kind of supreme court decisions. >> you are making things up out of hope. >> it opened up the floodgates. >> you're making things up. this was a very narrow decision, closely held corporations or business entities where it could be easily proven that this was a reflection and extension of religious belief. as it relates to large publicly held corporations where people who have invested and hold stock

in it are a variety of views, the court is still out on that. the jury is still out on that. let's not make up things. >> i think the floodgates are open. >> i think what we're hearing right now is a preview of what we're going to hear in the fall, republicans talking about religious liberties, democrats talking about the war on women. and as we see, it's already started. but i have to say, i don't really see republicans wanting to talk a lot about contraception given the track record we've had with it in the past couple cycles. >> let me stay with you here, jackie, for a second. ken, we're -- >> that's very interesting, jackie. >> it's a bad idea, ken. >> nobody wants to talk about contraceptives because that's not the issue. this issue -- >> it certainly was in 2012. >> we're going to have time for this debate. we don't have it now. but we're going to have plenty of time to frame this debate and

it will continue on. but jackie, i want to bring you back in here on something with the court. we had some split decisions, and the most controversial case is probably the split 5-4 decisions. a lot of people right now, a lot of liberals, they're loving ruth ginsburg right now, but one of the things they would love for her to do is step down. there are some people who are saying right now, the best thing you can do is retire before 2016. will we hear more of that, and is that a good push and a good argument to make for at least liberals? >> they want to see obama get another appointment. but in this congress, you can imagine the kind of fight that would be, a. and b, ultimately, that's up to justice ginsburg. that's a decision she has to make. >> you all stay with me here. we're going to take a quick break. going to come back with the brain trust and see if we can all agree on something when i say the name hillary clinton. how about that? she's going to be donating some of those speaking fees that have drawn so much backlash. you'll hear more about that next.

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about 18 minutes of the top of the hour. back with goldie, jackie, and ken. we've been hearing a lot about hillary clinton possibly. you may have been keeping up with some of this. she had a book tour. now she's under a lot of pressure here lately, and come under fire for the speaking fees that she's been raking in. reportedly her fee is around $200,000. she gets a little more than that from some places, apparently. now she says all the money that she's been getting from universities at least has been going to the clinton foundation. this was after some students out at unlv said if they don't give the money back, if hillary clinton doesn't, i think that fee was $225,000 or something, they're saying we want the money back or we're going to protest her speech that's coming up later in october. if this was the case all along that the money was going to the foundation, why are we just hearing about it now? >> i think she felt like she didn't have to answer it until now. this became a pretty big issue.

especially when people like elizabeth warren are on the campaign trail for some of their senate candidates talking about the high cost of college tuition. and when you have other democrats talking about it, it becomes a bigger problem. and this also looks like more of an indication that she's watching her poll numbers, she's looking at how this is playing and she might be leaning toward a run. >> you know what, ken blackwell, all politicians, republicans, democrats, most of them in congress do pretty well. i believe it's half -- i might be close to that number are millionaires. so a lot of people, especially ex-presidents, make a lot of money on the speaking tour. but if you're running for office, given where the economy has been, this all just looks bad. will this stick with her more so than anyone else? because these fees are just stuff americans can't get their heads around. >> i think so. because her strategy is to tell the american people to leave your brains at home and don't believe your lying eyes. she is part of the 1%, so it's beginning to be very hard for

her to go out and campaign against the 1%, if, in fact, she is part of it. and she enjoys every minute of it. she's a hypocrite. >> to that point, goldie, i'll let you respond directly to him. but we have this -- it's one or the other, right? you can't be rich and fight for the poor, it seems to be the case. but why should that be when every president, a lot of people out there in congress that are working and fighting for thelyf some sincerely, some not so sincerely. these are all rich folks and they do well. >> well maybe it is true that it's easier to get into heaven than it is to get through the eye of a needle if you're a rich person. hillary clinton i think has fought on behalf of women in fair wages. she's fought on behalf of parity in the work force. but if i'm hillary clinton right now, i'm not on a book tour. i'm not on a speaking tour. i'm not running for president. if i'm hillary clinton right now, i'm helping democrats get elected this fall.

i think the time will come when there is a campaign trail ahead for her and others running for the democratic nomination. i think i'm one of the few people on the left that really believe this is too much. we're hearing a lot about hillary clinton when we should be hearing about democrats elected this fall, when we should be hearing about advancing the progressive agenda. and that's just how i feel about it. >> ken, back to your point of hypocrisy there. i guess, where is the balance? did you ever see a case where someone who is doing well, someone who is well-off, someone who is rich and has a message out there for helping the middle class and the poor, do you think it's -- are you saying it's unique to hillary clinton? you just think it's impossible for anyone in public office who's doing well financially to also make the case for the little guy? >> no, you missed my point. i think there are a lot of people in political -- in our political history that have been affluent and who have spoken to the issues of the poor. robert kennedy being one. i actually think that mitt romney had a legitimate interest

in creating growth and opportunity in this country that would help uplift the poor. this is a case of a woman who goes out and makes the case in a very political way against the 1%, the 1% in which she is a member. i think she ought to own up to saying i'm part of the 1%, but i'm out to do good, as goldie indicated. >> jackie, what case has she been able to make? is he right in that you can't go out there and talk bad about the 1% and then be a part of it. >> it's how you answer the question. and i think she's started out asking this question -- or answering this question in a way that was detrimental. the dead broke comment. so it's how it's addressed. it's not the fact that she has money. you're absolutely right. a lot of politicians have a lot of money. it's how they talk about their wealth is what makes the difference. >> has this been an orchestrated -- it's one thing to have like the statement you

said. when we left the white house, we were dead broke. what she was saying there is that they had a lot of debts, and the financials actually show that. but that just doesn't sound good when you're collecting $200,000 in fees. >> well, sure. it's not like they weren't going to go to a bank and didn't have a book deal coming down the pipe. i don't think the average american has that kind of security. i don't think she was prepared to answer that kind of question and we've seen what happened. it's kind of taken over the book tour. >> were these -- as you see it, goldie, were these slip-ups that were of her own doing? she didn't say that the way i'm sure she wanted to say that, dead broke. so is some of this her own doing in the field, or is this more so they messed up in the plan? there was an orchestrated plan on this book tour that the mistake was in the planning of the whole thing, not just a slip-up in the wrong choice of words. >> i personally don't think the tour should have ever happened, but i think the tour was meant to recast the narrative around

hillary clinton, and if you're out to recast the narrative, then you ought to be prepared for that narrative. i think her messaging was off base and she wasn't prepared to really talk about some of the questions around personal wealth, which certainly came to mitt romney and that was due, and those questions should come to hillary clinton and she should be ready to answer them. to say that she was dead broke or deeply in debt when she's collecting $250,000 speaking fees, i think shows a bit of disconnection. however, has she worked over the course of her career on behalf of working people? has she put in really -- and rolled up her sleeves and really done the hard work, both legislatively and around the globe in terms of people who are among the least? absolutely. that's the story she's got to be telling. >> you wrap this up for me, ken. go ahead. >> i was just going to say this is not going to be a cakewalk for her. it's not going to be a coronation. she's going to have to go out and win the nomination. folks are just not going to roll over. and if she makes mistakes, she

will get pinged for those mistakes. but, you know, she is a very accomplished politician. and i think she will wage an aggressive campaign. campaign. i just happen to be on the other side and hope we put up a candidate that can go toe to toe with her. >> you're on the other side, ken. we didn't notice that at all at any time during this segment. thanks for clearing that up for us. >> all right. >> thanks to all three of you. up next, beach goers need to be ware. we know the storm is gone but many are trying to salvage the holiday weekend after arthur. danger isn't over yet. a new threat you can't see. the warning your way, next. [ male announcer ] don't just visit miami.

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currents. it creates a short narrow valley where water flows back out to sea at a rapid rate. >> people get sucked out. >> reporter: the risk now particularly high in the coastal areas of new york, new jersey and delaware. >> it doesn't appear to be that bad. it's going to grow all day. respect the ocean. >> reporter: rip currents pulled the swimmer away from the shore and survival may have to go against your instincts. >> it's very, very dangerous. i learned that the hard way. >> reporter: if you're going in the water you should stay calm and yes, know how to swim. >> most people that get caught in the rip current don't know how to swim. >> reporter: they are often no wider than 30 feet.

swim to someone side or the other. >> you want to go right or left. you don't want to go in the center where the energy is pulling you out. >> that was kristin dalgren reporting. we appreciate you being here with us. i'm t.j. holmes. i'll be back with you tomorrow as well, 3:00 eastern time. hope you're enjoying your 4th of july weekend. the storm is out of here. a lot of you can get outside now and enjoy the time. we have a lot of people hanging outside this weekend at 30 rock. this is right outside our doors. beautiful day here. there's that big thing there. what is that? it's called a split rocker. i haven't figured it out. it's some sculpture. i'll figure it out. i'll have more about that

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