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harris-perry. shortly after becoming secretary of state last year, it was his hope to deliver someone no oelss able to birth. a peace baby in the middle east. >> the parties have agreed here today that all of the final status issues, all of the core issues and all other issues are all on the table for negotiation. and they are on the table with one simple goal. a view to ending the conflict ending the claims. our objective will be to achieve a final status agreement over the course of the next nine months. >> but, by april 2014, nine months after the initial declaration and after meeting 34 times with president abbas and twice that number with prime

minister netanyahu, kerry's quest to deliver a peace deal failed. now, nearly after a year after that promise, anything but peaceful. violence escalated significantly in just the last week. on monday the israeli confirmed that the bodies of three israeli teenagers kidnapped back in mid-june had been found dead. the three young men ranging in age from 16 to 19 were laid to rest on tuesday and were buried side by side. as the young men were being laid to rest, hundreds of right-wing extremists demonstrated in jerusalem some attacking arabs as they were walking by and two palestinians required medical attention. earlier that day, israeli defense forces launched air strikes in gaza that struck 34 targets. according to the israeli military, the air strikes were in response to 18 rockets fired into israel since sunday. then on wednesday morning,

israeli police discovered the body of 16-year-old mohammad hussein in a forest outside of jerusalem. he'd been reportedly kidnapped just an hour earlier. his death led to violent clashes between politician protesters and israeli security forces on wednesday in east jerusalem. it is suspected the killers were revenge, that he was killed in revenge for the killings of the three israeli teens. his father telling "time" magazine. the settlers killed my son. they kidnapped him and killed him. on thursday israeli prime minister netanyahu confirmed the killing of the palestinian teen and also cautioned if the rocket fire from the gaza strip did not stop, the increased israeli forces moving into the forces could act. his body was handed over on friday under intense israeli security presence and placed into a palestinian ambulance, which was then rushed by mourners who took the teen's

body, wrapped it in the palestinian flag and carried it head high through the clouds to a nearby mosque. thousands showed up to the teen's funeral on friday afternoon in east jerusalem where he received a martyr's burial. after the funeral, mourners and israeli security forces clashed. yesterday clashes between palestinian protesters and israeli police not only grew they spread from jerusalem to northern towns and this morning even more developments as the associated press reports the number of jewish suspects have been arrested by israeli authorities in response to the killing of him. officials speaking on anonymity said the killing was nationalistic in nature. regarding the ongoing unrest, israeli prime minister netanyahu said, "experience proves that at such times we must act responsibly and with ewunimty and not hastily. we will do whatever we ecan to

restore quiet to the south. peace now seems like a pipe dream in a region that is home to air strikes, eruptions and clashes and the killing of innocent teenagers. while a lasting peace may still be the long-term goal, in the near term getting the bullets to stop flying would be progress. at the table this morning, dean, who is a columnist at "the daily beast." hillary man, professor at the school of international service at american university. she served the national security council twice at u.s. embassies in across the middle east and is the author of the book "going to tehran." colonel jack jacobs and msnbc military manalist and director at carnegie melon center for international relations and a politics and research fellow at stanford's university hoover institution. so nice to have you all here. is the possibility of peace just

a pipe dream or a kind of u.s. trophy or is it a realistic possibility in our lifetimes? >> the peace process started after the 1967 war. the state of israely was declared in 1948. from 1948 to 1967 there was a lot of fighting, but no peace process. the reason it was initiated by the national security adviser was to get buy in by arab states for an increased amount of military aid, dramatic increase in military aid and financial aid. so, we had since then various peace process and we've come to the end of the road with the two-state solution being the punitive goal of that kind of peace process. i think what we're seeing now and we've seen probably for the last couple of years the death of the two-state solution as a possible resolution and left with a one-state solution.

what you'll see over the next few weeks. you'll see more or less violence but what you'll see if the politicians can step up to their nelson mandela moment is to proclaim one state, one person, one vote and to push in september with the opening of the general assembly here in new york at the u.n. for a state to sign up to the international criminal court and bring the israelis there and not rely any longer on the united states and israel to come to their aid. >> i appreciate your point about a nelson mandela moment. that said, i'm also always nervous about calling on individuals, collectives, communities, even states that perceive or experience themselves as being in a state of oppression to necessarily behave in ways that we see historically as being representative of the right solution and, so, part of what i hear you saying treejically this may be where we are but i worry about the ethical claim that may underlie that particular discourse, dean? >> i would say just overall that

i wish when president obama came to power there was an israeli administration not the netanyahu which is to the right. he doesn't have any ability for a two-state solution. his cabinet officials, bennett and lieberman, a foreign minister, against the new palestinian state. perez two-state solution. now against the palestinian state. the idea of a two-state solution may have been dead years ago but the reality is forget nelson mandela and martin luther king and it's about one person, one vote because i don't think there is any idea for a compromise. >> so, i want to, we can't listen to him, but i do want to read quickly something that netanyahu said this week just in advance of the fourth of july holiday about this kind of

special relationship between the u.s. and israel. president obama assumed the mantle of the presidency, you wish a different israeli administration. but i want to sort of listen or i'll read it for a moment and then ask you to respond. so this is netanyahu speaking this week saying what is the secret of the special relationship between the u.s. and israel and the answer can be summarized in four words. shared valus and common interests. shared values because they were founded on democracy, rights and freedom. the rights are sacred and the form of right with the others that cannot exist is the right to live. so, this administration, netanyahu who has been very, very critical of president obama's administration, in this moment is saying, hey, we are all together. it feels strategic as much as it does like an active and realistic assessment of what that relationship is. >> i think it's both, but the fact that he states it so

passionately and i think in the middle of this crisis, this should not take away from the fact that israel isn't an important ally for the united states and the middle east for a number of reasons, but, in particular, that we're both democracies and that we share values. and although the two-state solution may appear to be over and we want to shift to helping resolve the crisis, let's not forget that the united states is an organizing force in the international system. and especially in the broader middle east. and the failure of these peace talks does not mean that the u.s. has failed or that the obama administration has failed. we're the only nation on earth that could have attempted the last nine months. >> critical difference, the shared values, it's so important to understand this. from 1948 to 1967 when the holocaust was fresh in our minds and israel was arguably at its most democratic.

it is not about shared values. just as karen said, our relationship, our lines with israel but strategically to work with or use israel to project american dominance. if you want that out of u.s. policy, israel is useful. during the bush administration it was useful. an administration pulling back from the middle east and that's where you have the friction between obama and netanyahu. >> i actually think, if i can come back for one moment, it's not the issue of post-1948 israel and u.s. relations. it should not be the shadow of what we're doing right now and i don't think it helps us understand this current period. israel is a firm democracy and the u.s. is the world's most fully functioning -- >> so not for millions. >> i want to apologize. as soon as we come back i want to give you the first word as we come back because i want to think on this huge geopolitical fundamental question and then human beings involved and what we have seen over the course of the past week with these teenagers and how that impacts

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>> in both our lands, the rights of the individual are sacred. and the foremost rights without which the others cannot exist is the right to live an unequivocally condemn the murder of a palestinian youth in jerusalem a few days ago. that was israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu on thursday confirming the death on thursday. i do want to ask one thing about, we have the big thing happening at the top and then the death of the three israeli

teenagers and the one palestinian teenager and then the beating of, we'll see some of this video, which is tough to see, but i do want us to see because this is what, this is what israelis are seeing right now. this is what people in the area are seeing on the televisions. this teenager who is actually an american citizen and the cousin of the slain palestinian being beaten by israeli security forces. people start getting very serious when it's about their children, as well as these very old tensions. how does this change the american position when we have images like that? >> i don't think it changes the american position at all. anybody with any memory has seen that and much worse over the last decades. i don't think it's going to change the american public's position and i don't think it's going to change the american government's position because the american government has a strategic interest in not just the region, but peace.

and we'll do what it thinks it can get away with in order to make it happen. that's why it seems so frustrating that we've been doing this for 40, 50 years and haven't gotten anywhere and, indeed, when we talk about a two-state solution, it's really kind of interesting because you've got possibly a three-state solution over there, even though hamas and the politician authority have sort of coalesced for the time being but not exercising the kind of influence they can. any more than the united states can exercise influence over israel. >> such images have changed nations before. i understand that we have seen literally decades of, sometimes images worse and more appalling and sometimes it is the death of innocence that has the capacity to shift global opinion even. but in this case, it does feel like all that happens isn't ratcheting up of the violence.

what are the distinctions between how the people may be feeling in this moment and the kind of policies they may want versus netanyahu's administration? >> i think you've seen two things. one is a change in international public opinion that we've seen with the arab awakening and there is this global awakening particular focus in the middle east where people have access to information that they've never had before. so even though i completely agree with my colleague that we've seen these type of images this is a new element. the united states as a power in relative decline and other powers relatively increasing. and, so, with that, this focus i think that you'll see as a next step for the politicians to unilaterally declare statehood in the general assembly and bring their case to the international criminal court and use international public opinion is something the united states has never had to deal with before. >> does that change your assertion that the only broker

available in the world for this work is the u.s. if hillary is suggesting, well, no, power relationships are changing. we're still the global big foot, but new information sources, new forms of imagining what human rights looks like could actually push us back from that single position. >> i hope i didn't say we're the only country that could be an important power and peace broker in the broader middle east. but we are the, but we are the essential state to use. president obama's term more broadly in the international system and i think the events of the past week underscore the fact that we're still important in this game because what i think is happening and those images were so disturbing and sometimes they do affect public opinion around the world as we saw with vietnam. once that war really got televised. american assessments of it began to change in part because of what we saw the atrocities in vietnam. but the u.s. is important here and in this conflict because

president obama has declared early on in his presidency that sovereignty was an important test for the united states and international crises and the fact that we helped make iraq sovereign and whole was a justification for existing in 2011. we see sovereignty at stake now in israel. sovereignty at stake in iraq. we see sovereignty at stake in ukraine. i think it's making the american public the astrosities of those young men being killed ask bigger questions of the white house about what is the ultimate test for our involvement in crises, especially in the middle east. >> just from a human point of view, because we were talking about a human point of view and not an economic. i have palestinian family in the west bank. speaking to them now, it's different. the west bank up until this explosion three week ago was calm. they were living their life, there was congress. however, my soon to be

brother-in-law said he never felt less safe in his life as an arab living in israel because they're no longer isolated at soccer game wheres they heard them. the global terrorist report had a column for price tag attacks against arabs and against churches and against mosques and against people. his point to me was very simple. death to arab used to be a comment anonymously on a website and now pasted on a facebook profile where a person doesn't have to hide any more. racism. he feels actually uncomfortable in his country because he is israely. >> at this point, such a critical one. so, what i don't want to miss is i think we don't always know when we're in the moment. what will be the thing that shifts even long-term inequities. so, there's many decades of lynching and then emmett till. and many, many years of the

vietnam war and then the images in our households and maybe it will simply be an explosion of violence that then goes back to this kind of normal. >> right. >> or maybe this is a moment when it begins to shift. when we come back we'll shift ourselves to iraq and the new announcement from prime minister maliki. you know that dream... on my count. ...the one where you step up and save the day? make it happen. (crowd) oh no... with verizon xlte. hey guys, i got it right here! we've doubled our 4g lte bandwidth in cities coast to coast. so take on more. with xlte. on the largest, most reliable 4g lte network.

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he went so far to liken himself to a soldier that does not desert the battlefield. the group that he was referring to as terrorists is the islamic state in iraq and syria who have taken over major cities in both countries. now a new video reportedly shows the group's leader declaring himself head of the islamic. colonel jack, how bad is the military situation? will baghdad fall? >> no, baghdad won't fall, but the situation is militarily extremely difficult. when you have an army that we trained and supplied that can't hold the extremities of the country when the sunni north falls. by the way, plenty of shia up there reminding me taking a look at the map of india before

partition. a million people died, people trying to run to the polls and get away from each other. when that kind of stuff happens, you know the iraqi army is not capable of doing anything. however, baghdad won't fall because i don't think that they don't have fighting built up areas. what you might end up with a de facto partition iraq and that's, in many respects, just as bad as anything else. >> dead for peace in the middle east but somehow, right, but not in iraq. >> you have the kurds, too. the real problem is the following question. does it have the capability to counterattack and take back those areas taken and at the moment, the answer is no. >> and because of a lack of resources, because of a lack of skill and training. i mean, isn't that what we were meant to have been doing? >> there are two things. skill and training is always at the forefront of any military operation, but at the end of the

day it doesn't matter if you can fi fight. you have to want to fight and in fact the iraqi army doesn't have a great deal of interest in fighting for maliki and doesn't have much interest in fighting for the government, indeed, what you've seen happen is an enormous recruitment among shia militias to go fight, not for baghdad, not for maliki, not for iraq, but to fight for shia. >> your point here, i want to listen to the president because he makes this point that the issue is maliki. i want to ask you what you all think of this. let's listen to the president of the united states on this. >> we've said it publicly that whether he is prime minister or any other leader aspires to lead the country that it has to be an agenda in which sunni, shia and kurd all feel that they have the opportunity to advance their interests through the political process. >> this is about maliki's

failure to be a uniter instead of a divider. >> this is an excuse. this is a bipartisan failure of catastrophic propirations for the united states. now with the democrats essentially blaming it on maliki. he could be more inclusive and bringing in foreign fighters one of the key leaders, that can be a more inclusive government and to be seen for what it is. maliki won the last election and parliamentary democracy and go about the messy process like he did last time of assembling a coalition in a state that is majority shia. surprise, surprise, the majority of the government is going to be shia. the sunnis never accepted this and they have very powerful patrons outside the country, like the saudis that have armed, funded and trained and now we have a disaster on our hands. >> should we learn more about islam or should we learn less?

every time it is discussed, it is primarily in this discourse about islam and isn't this about control and wealth and power. >> when you see maliki's statements you realize why there are not a lot of leaders walking the streets. people don't want to give up power in the middle east and part of it is that once they get out, will they be prosecuted criminarily. understanding islam, this is about power, frankly. islam is used. it's very efebtifective to brin people together and, that was missoum mohamm mohammed's closest friend. this man gave himself a new name so people would be like that is the guy that mohammed wanted him to run. >> we both need to know more and need to know less. use it as less as the clear

explanation for the practices while simultaneously knowing more. >> we shouldn't be in there manipulating outcomes. people don't want to live in a u.s. order in the middle east. we need to pull back and rethink this policy. >> colonel jack jacobs, as always, for being here. the rest of the folks sticking around. up next, the ebola outbreak. they lived. ♪ they lived. ♪ they lived. ♪ (dad) we lived... thanks to our subaru. ♪ (announcer) love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.

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outbreak infected was 425 people in 2000/2001 in an outbreak in uganda. they don't reach near those pipes of numbers because they're contained and they're contained because they reach in rural regions. the one happening right now is happening in the cities in western africa and a big reason why it has become the most infectious and deadly outbreak in history. the world health organization two days ago quantified just how bad the situation is. >> there are now a total of 779 cases of ebola in the three countries involved of which are new guinea, libya and of which 481 people have died. >> so, here's a map from the cdc, if you see all of that orange, that orange represents confirmed and probable cases of ebola as of june 30th. joining the panel now is laurie

garret, she won the pulitzer prize in 1986 for her journalism chronicling an outbreak in congo. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> i've been watching this happen and wondering why we haven't heard more about it. help me to understand how we can sound the alarm without hitting a panic button. what should we be concerned about and how, in what ways? >> i think the last thing we need to be concerned about is, well ebola come to america? let's take that off the table and get real. getting real is we have an unprecedented situation that is very hard to forecast. we've never had a situation where ebola is coming out of the rain forest and the rain forest happens to cut across all three of the countries. so, we don't actually know how many of these cases are reintroductions from the wild bats and monkeys that usually are the transmitters of this really rare virus in humans. the third thing is it's across

border. we never had that situation before and it's across border in africa, which historically thanks to colonelism have never really been able to get along or speak a common language, literally. and it's in an area that has been completely devastated by a decade of civil war with charles taylor at the head of all of that. and it was a kind of civil war with a brutality level so severe that it pitted ethnic group against ethnic group chopping off arms and kidnapping your children and turning them into warriors and now you're asking these people to cooperate. to work together to stop a virus. it's a tall order. >> so y want to pause on that a little bit and i want to bring you in a little bit because this idea that the issue of war of ethnic group intertensions having something to do with

disease can be complicated for people to understand. why not just go cure the fi physiological thing. >> i think the way you just described the landscape is just as frightening as we've been talking about in the broader middle east. the fact of the matter is we talk about terrorism as a problem with the al qaeda affiliates in north africa and these are symptoms of the deeper problem across the continent and that's good governance. the absence of it. and the lack of regional organizations that have any real liability and power. they're not close to being the eu, for example. when you get a crisis like ebola in the context of really weak governance structure, it's a formula for disaster and for the united states and for the rest of the world. and i think the w.h.o. is having

a hard time trying to figure out in how to operate in countries that don't work together and all of this is just extremely difficult and no easy way out. >> i would add to that, not only is there a history of civil war in the area, but these are three of the poorest countries by any calibration method you use on the planet. that in the best of times, they had a horrible set of public health systems. now, on top of it all, it's not just that ebola is there. this is also the region from which the virus emerges. the initial symptoms are very similar to ebola, you could end up bleeding out and then it's also an area of cerebral mala a malaria. initial symptoms, very similar. you can go einto the deranged onset that is very similar to

what happens when the ebola virus gets into your brain and you become a truly frightening thing. so, just to put this in perspective, melissa, what's happening now and one of the reasons why have violence in the area related to the ebola outbreak now is that the health care systems are afraid to take people in. >> touching cadavers or being exposed -- >> touching the fluids. but now they can't tell which one is malaria and which one is ebola. children coming in with high fever. they're all being rejected by the system. >> one thing you did early on you don't need to worry about or take off the question whether ebola will show up in chicago or new york or san francisco and as soon as you do that i'm wondering well, whatever. so, tell me why we have to still care that this is happening? >> so, this week there was an 11-nation summit held in ghana

because the whole of west africa now sees this is out of control. it is literally by w.h.o. definition out of control. and it is crossing borders and people are fleeing all across the region. so, here's some big countries to think about, part of that 11. it's not just ghana, it's nigeria. now, you really start getting into heated problems because what have we already got in nigeria and it's a huge oil producer. the whole world economy pivots on oil from, oh, iraq, oops, big problem there right now. iran, oops, big problem there right now. let's lean on nigeria. >> thank you. thanks, also, to hillary mann-l mann-l mann-leverett. how the supreme court made a huge impact on women this week.

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arthur ashe the first african-american man to win wimbledon but not until 1975. we took a look in our vault to see how history recorded gibson's moment on this day in 1957. >> a new tennis queen was born. althia gibson of new york became the first to win the title and won the u.s. nationals, too. sportsmen everywhere applauded her triumph and shared in her moment of glory when queen elizabeth herself present to the girl from harlem. >> that girl from harlem was actually born in south carolina and was mindful of her roots in the segregated south and all that she had overcome, even as she won wimbledon. she wrote in her memoir shaking hands with the queen of england was a long way from being forced to sit in the colored section of the bus going into downtown wilmington, north carolina.

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wheaton college is a christian college in illinois. it is exempt from the affordable care act's mandate that employer-sponsored health insurance cover birth control at no cost. all wheaton college has to do to get that exemption is to fill out a form. ebsa form 700 to be exact. this is what it looks like. just a one-page form. but wheaton college says it shouldn't have to fill out the form. that by filling out the form, it would be complicit in the use of contraceptives by its staff and students. wheaton says that therefore filling out esba form 700 is a substantial burden and on this past thursday afternoon, the supreme court agreed with

wheaton college. the court ruled that wheaton college doesn't have to fill out ebsa form 700 and that it could instead send a letter of its own design and still be exempt from the mandate. joining me is erin carmon and david cohen, professor of law at drexel university. what are we talking about here? i am looking, that's a technical term. the ebsa 700 form is one of the easiest forms i think i have ever seen from the united states government. what is at stake here? >> well, the wheaton college says that it violates the religious freedom to have to comply with the contraceptive mandate from the affordable care act. all they have to do is fill out that form and say we don't want to provide contraceptive through our insurers, ourselves, and that's all that the act requires them to do. they're saying even filling out that form violates their religious freedom. on thursday the court agreed and said, you don't have to do that

why you litigate this case in the lower court. it was a phenomenal decision because, as you said, this form is nothing. as you think of government forms, this is nothing. but they're still willing to sign a form to the government saying we don't want to cover this. >> on their own stationary. >> on their own stationary. they don't want to fill out this one form, but they'll fill out this other form and the supreme court in a 6-3 decision says, yes, it is a right to fill out this one form and go ahead and write this other letter. >> it really is actively confusing to me. i want to hear what sotomeyer said. let me be absolutely clear, i do not doubt that wheaton generally believes that signing the self-certification form is contrary to its religious belief, but thinking one's beliefs are burdened no matter how sincere or genuine that belief may be does not make it so. so, how is it that six judges decide that filling out this form is a substantial burden on

the religious beliefs? >> so far this is a preliminary decision, but it's extraordinary. in order for the supreme court to act the way it did, it has to believe that there is a compelling public interest and that this is an emergency and step in over the lower courts. this is something that they didn't even do when a third of texas is abortion clinics were about to close. they didn't think that was an emergency. but they thought that two-page form was an emergency. i think that the reason that you saw basically blistering rage from the three women of the court who signed on to that descent is because on monday we had our hobby lobby decision. one of the tests of whether it violated the law, the religious freedom restoration act was can the government find another way to do this? so, they said, look, the government found another way to do this. the nonprofits can sign a two-page form that they literally use the phrase that respects religious liberty. ironically, this is a form that came about because the obama administration wanted to placate the religious nonprofits that

were rebelling. this is, i guess, what happens when you try to find a solution that you think is going to mollify people. and then they turn around and use it and undermine the private corporations. >> sometimes blistering when it comes from a supreme court justice doesn't sound blistering to an ordinary person. i will read what her words are when she says those who are bound by our decisions usually believe they can take us at our word, not so today. that action disregard for even the newest of this court's precedence and undermines confidence in this institution. monday they said, all right, we can decide hobby lobby this way because this form exists. and then thursday they say, no, you don't have to fill out this form. she is like, excuse me, you just made this court irrelevant. is she overspeaking that? >> i don't think so. wheaton shows this court as a political, bias institution. we like to think of the court as

nonpolitical, nonbias, based completely on law. completely separate from the political branches of government. there are times in the court's history where it shows its cards. bush v. gore when it put george bush into presidency in 2000. but this is another example. it compare the two, i don't think is too extreme. because like you said, on monday the court pointed to this form as the reason why hobby lobby doesn't have to cover contraception. and then on thursday they said, we were wrong, actually. that form is too burdensome. the court is being a political right-wing institution and showing its cards. >> so, i guess part of what has been confusing to me. we'll take a break and come back, but it really is when you were sitting at the table previously and we were talking about the buffer zone position, which had been unanimous i thought, okay, maybe not behaving politically. it does make me think, okay, maybe i need to take a step back and this court is really

deciding things based on the precedent or law that i don't get and then the very next week behaving in this way. when we come back what you're thinking about that unanimity on the buffer zones now that we've seen hobby lobby and wheaton. hold on with me we have to get to that hobby lobby decision as well as shaund shonda rimes is over eerveg. and trucks nationw, carmax is the best place to start your car search. great for frank, who's quite particular... russian jazz funk? next to swedish hip hop. when he knows what he wants... - thank you. do you have himalayan toad lilies? spotted, or speckled? speckled. yes. he has to have it. a cubist still life of rye bread... sold. it's perfect. which is why we'll ship a canary yellow jeep with leather seats from dallas to burbank if it's the one frank wants. carmax. start here.

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a group with a largely white staff which in 2009 decided to hire a black woman to be its outreach coordinator. catherine davis' job was to travel to black churches and colleges and explain to commit genocide against african-americans. as david said upon her hiring, "there are some individuals and organizations that have as their mission to eliminate blacks from america. most of us do not know about these plans and i am working to make sure that they're exposed. we must take steps to preserve god given genius and legacy in our nation." davis successful in getting more to call georgia right to life hotline where they were discouraged from terminating pregnancies. the group expanded the idea by putting up billboards like this one. and then there are all the politicians. members of congress who proposed bills that would make it a crime for a woman to terminate a

pregnancy bases on the race of her fetus like the susan b. anthony and frederick douglas prenatal nondiscrimination act. didn't make that up. that garnered 100 co-sponsors and came pretty close to passing the house of representatives in 2012. this is an ongoing strategic attempt to shame african-american women out of getting the reproductive health care of their choice. black women have disproportionately high rates compared to white women. but when these opponents to reproductive rights are successful in changing policy like when their state passes a law that will close clinics or when the nation's highest court strikes down buffer zones outside those clinics or makes it harder to get contraception. african-american women and other women of color are often those most affected by those choices. with me at the table are dean, who is columnist for "daily

beast." eisha moody-mills and david cohen professor of law at drexel university. eisha, i just made a claim that african-american women -- is that a valid claim? >> absolutely that's a valid claim. i mean, we have the least access to contraceptives that we don't have to pay for. it is more likely that we have unintended pregnancy for a variety of reasons and a whole layer of element here from the family structure and also from a societial structure around our families to keep us from having unintended pregnancies. the claim you're making is absolutely true. i find it's so frustrating it's the same people who are talking about the black community and particularly black boys are endangered. once we have black men in our society, the ones who will leave them behind. >> so, this point about a kind

of eugenic or genocidal attempt, i mean, when we look at abortions by race. i don't want to pretend that that stat isn't true. abortions by race. african-americans have a higher termination rate than other groups. actually, i think that might be a little off. it is 40% compared to 90%. so if we look at unintended pregnancies, they are much higher and, so, here we have hobby lobby saying that you're not going to have access to birth control simultaneous with people saying this is genocidal attempt and, of course, part of the solution would be to have more access to birth control, not less. >> it seems like it's dammed if you do and even in liberal california, they can't repeal the maximum family grant that limits public assistance that you get if you have more than one child. so, i don't understand how it all adds up that you can make it

impossible for privately employed, insured women who are relatively well off in our society to get birth control, make it very hard for them, if they choose to have an abortion to get one and then if they do have children, make it nearly impossible for them to care for those children. it's an ideology of punishment, it feels like. >> dean, you wrote about a research video by rick santorum. >> yes. >> that came in the wake of the hobby lobby decision. i want to watch just a piece of that and then have your response. >> and it will go away if we do not attend to the threat of religious freedom right now. >> if you and i don't do this and you and i may well spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it once was like in america when men were free. >> this is just so everyone

knows just a trailer to a movie that rick sanatorium's company is producing. i'm happy he's making movies and not public policy. let him just make movies. but the movie imagery. to say that liberals will cut down across and those are government agents, the men in suits, i assume. other images of nuns in prison that somehow they're going to put nuns and religious leaders in jail and they want contraception and rick santorum is against contraception. to me it's so counterintuitive. free birth control in this study brought down unwanted pregnancies remarkably. they should be advocating free birth control. free eiud. it was really helpful. that's what they really want to prevent. that study showed it to me. how much more clear do you need? >> help me then to think about this from a constitutional law perspective. because, seriously, for me, what

i see happening is on the one hand the realities of women who earn less, who are in communities with a variety of social and structural difficulties as you were talking about, who have less access to termination and birth control and the court seems to increasingly be deciding against individuals and towards cooperationss whether they're private or these private nonprofits. >> the court is showing that it prefers some people's freedoms and some people's rights over others. >> they've done this. there is an actual supreme court history of saying that and we're kind of embarrassed about the constitution? >> what we've seen in the buffer zone case and in the hobby lobby case, the court ignores the lived experiences of women. it particularly poor women and particularly women of color. the court ignores the importance of contraception to women's h h

health. contraception is not cheap if you're a low-wage earner in this country. the court ignores the fact that the government is not just going to pick up the bill when we know that title ten funds cont contraception for people that can't afford it are being cut by the same people who oppose the contraceptive mandate. the government is not going to step in because the court and the government are ignoring the experience of real women who have real issues in their lives that they need health care and the court is, instead, listening to people like rick santorum. >> while the court is ignoring them, we ehave conservative commentators making fun of women's experiences. the beyonce voters moment. let's just take a look at it. i want you to comment on. >> she needs the single ladies vote. obama won single ladies by 76% last time and they made up about a quarter of the electorate.

>> it's true. >> they depend on government because they're not depending on their husbands. they need things like cont contraception, health care and they love to talk about equal pay. >> i mean, those crazy ladies. jesse waters talking about this. i just, i mean i think there are real and substantial and meaningful discussions to be had, particularly about the issue of abortion. i think that is a reasonable, public concern. but the kind of mockery of people's life experiences doesn't seem like that moves us towards a meaningful conversation. >> no, it doesn't. first of all, they're spouting a lot of things that are misinformation and half true. the idea that it's only single women that want to run out there and and 90% of women in their lives are using contraceptives. >> a majority of married, women are using contraception. >> that is just ridiculous. the other big piece of this that

neen with wants to talk about, this is also about health care. we want to focus on abortion, but the reality is many, many women who are using birth controls are using them for some type of reproductive health care issues. if you have very painful menstrual cycle, birth control can mitigate that. >> if you have fibroidz. >> and also preventing pregnancy is also a legitimate use of contraception. that is a public health concern. the government presented detailed information about why spacing and controlling your pregnancies is a health inter t interest. what is staggering, we have seen the supreme court that we should stigmatize contraception the way we stigmatize contraception. >> if you just had a husband -- >> beyonce has a husband and had

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the country this year, we've seen issues of race come to the forefront as students of color speak out about their experiences on campus and challenge their institutions to improve their diversity. at ucla law school where black students have not made up more than 4% of the student body since 1996, a video campaign was launched to push the program to admit more african-americans. the university of michigan as students advocated with demonstrations on campus, drawing in luminaries like harry to help address its diversity problems. at harvard university, the i am two harva harvard campaign. hear directly from other students on campus. then there was this story out of a high school, not just any high school, the lawrenceville school in new jersey is the most expensive prep school in the nation, as well as one of the most prestigious. over the years it has, at times,

take on the long road to diversity admitting its first african-american student 50 years ago, a decade after brown v. board and admitted its first female student less than 30 year uz go in 1987, which is why it was such a big deal when the student body elected mia peterson a young, gay, black woman to be student body president and an even bigger deal when she resigned over this photo. posting to her instagram in march paraday a campus culture she calls confederate flag hanging. the photo which features her in ivy league regallia was accompanied by the #romney2016, #confederate, and #

#peakedinhighschool. urged her resignation as student body president. joining the panel the former student body president mia peterson. also danielle moody-mills. i want to start by saying you have graduated from the lawrenceville school. this is not a save mia campaign. >> no, i'm out. >> reinstate your presidency. so, les let's back up to this moment and tell us what were your goals? >> i think that a lot of people saw the photo and thought it was retaliation for there being uproar about a photo that my friends and i posted with our fists in the air and that's just not the reality of it. the photo was met to be satire and i think satire is directed at people on people on my side of the issue. i don't think i used this photo as a means to effect any change per se. put a spin on something that i

felt was an issue and i think a lot of people had mentioned it to me and brought it up to me that it is a way, especially in black culture was thor mentioned that making jokes about a kind of culture that we can change to make things a little more light hearted. >> one of the things we ehave uncovered on this show is that when white students on predominantly college campuses have done things that are later perceived by miornorityinsensit. the case of the asu fraternity who had this party or sometimes we see it on other campuses where people, right? how is what you did differently than what happened here with the arizona state university fraternity that threw this martin luther king party and formed this version of black culture. tell me how it's different? >> first of all, i would like to say that the photo and what i

did in my leadership position was not the smartest thing to do. >> sure. >> things like that and things like people making culturally insensitive jokes happen and there's no reprecussion. you have people taking pictures and it's funny and then when it happens the other way around to the majority of the population, all of a sudden it's a problem and brought to the forefront and there's issues. >> dean, it's tough stuff as you well know, right? and we are talking about young people here. >> yes. >> so, but on the other hand, you know, i do want to be clear that we condemned other young people but certainly critiqued other young people who have performed this kind of racial ankest. there was an open letter to you, maya, from ms. wilkerson the first african-american woman to lead the harvard.

it was comical and harmless and that power dynamic that allowed you to be stripped of your position because the people you mocked who have the capacity to remove that power, not the other way around. does that go to the heart of what makes the satire different? >> if you are making fun of people in power, it's completely fine. if you're the minority, you're the oppressed one, you should make fun of people in power. a great way of opening people's minds and you're doing it better than a speech. you give a speech and four people show up. you do a great picture that's funny, everybody talks about it. you make fun of that minority, that's where you have problems and where you're seen as a jerk or bully and you're just taking advantage of a situation. so, i think what you did. i would defend 100%. i think it's great and i've got in trouble for race jokes. but when you're making fun, if you're a minority and i'm arab and look like a white guy and i view the rule as minority.

i get attacked by white people for it, you're in control, laugh it off. >> let's cross cut it with class, though. the other piece of this is lawrenceville is an extremely expensive prep school. and, so, danielle, just to draw you in here a bit, when we see the students at harvard saying i, too, am harvard. and kid at the university of michigan and a young woman at lawrenceville. poor little rich girl or shouldn't those who have the opportunities at the wealthy schools like, yeah, so it wasn't a perfect environment, but what a great opportunity. >> we should just be thankful that we're there, right? i think that's the reaction from the administration in this case and in other cases thanksgiving we've seen. wlak pe black people are not afforded freedom of expression. i'll push back against this patriarchal experience. i'm visible, i'm here. there is somehow something

threatening about that. because it's threatening you're forced to resign or other people are relegated or beaten or what have you to the margins of society and that's what they want. i think in this ideal experience that the administration would have wanted her to kind of just be there and just be happy. be happy, be president and move along with this idea of legacy and tradition. >> but let me complicate it a little bit. i want to read your lawrenceville statement and come to you on a question. there is a part of me, yeah, get to say what we want to say but then i want to complicate it. the lawrenceville school works hard to foster an inclusive open and engaging atmosphere. we do not tolerate racial discrimination. we appreciate the challenge of having discussions about -- they

elected you. you are an african-american woman and you were elected president. what are you mad about? >> okay. i'll give you that. i think the one thing that is not coming out very clearly in a lot of the articles that are coming out about me is that i am absolutely in love with the lawrenceville school. i think it's an amazing place. i wouldn't have run for president, had i not think it was an amazing place that gave people of color, gave minorities and white people this amazing academic experience. i wouldn't have run if i didn't think it could get a lot better. just because i'm there and i'm happy and i'm getting a great education doesn't mean i don't want things to be better and doesn't mean that i don't notice a lot of microaggressions that plague the entire student body and things that make me feel uncomfortable and make my friends be uncomfortable. with their statement i

completely agrooethat lawrenceville does tremendous things. you know, just the administration, i'm sure, is a very liberal administration, but then, again, a lot of back push from alarm alums and people not liberal. >> i just want to suggest, maya, are you suggesting that someone could love their country and, nonetheless, even when their country, for example, elects an african-american president, nonetheless, continue to have critiques of their nation while at the same time loving their country and wanting to be a part of it? >> dare i say i may have -- >> something like that is what was happening with you at the lawrenceville of it all? >> absolutely. >> what are you doing next? >> going to wesleyan university next year. >> i'm sure they're excited for you to come to campus. >> i'm very, very excited to be there. >> good luck. we're excited and thank you for coming and sharing your experience and it's not easy and we appreciate your time.

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that was none other than two-time academy award in the new show. she is just one of the new characters we're getting to know this fall. and we also have essence director who is joining us from the essence festival in new orleans and working on the current magazine. hi, how are you? >> good and you? >> other than clearly the world of shonda. what should we be looking for in this new fall lineup? >> well, there's, you know, shonda rhimes taking over thursday night and octavia spencer on fox and tracy ellis ross and we have alfrie woodard

playing the president of the united states, which i think is a first on "state of affairs" and the return of nicole and kerry washington both as leads of their show. nicole with "sleepy hollow" and kerry on "scandal." >> i want to play for folks that we are about to have a black woman president on nbc. i want to play a little bit of nbc's state of affairs so folks get a sense of what is coming up. >> is this true? i had to make a very difficult decision. >> a decision that was not yours to make. >> could we have killed him today? >> there is a strong possibility, yes. but not a certainty. >> dr. butler's rescue, where are we now? >> jack dawkins and his team are on standby, ma'am. >> let's bring him home. >> could my life be happier? >> it could be happier. there are ten shows coming up in the fall with minority leads in the cast. that's unheard of for fall

television. our minorities are 38% in this country and 10% of the demographics in tv. they want to reach that 18 to 34-year-old range. >> let me come back to you real quickly because we had troubled in the past in television shows that have black women either individually or ensembles in the lead role with keeping them on air and yet this kind of primetime real estate on the major networks looks like we're looking at real commitments to these projects. >> well, you're right, melissa. what it is, the great thing about it they proved that we're going into season four of "scandal" that a black woman can lead a show and it can be successful. what other show is talked about on twitter and social media. i mean we're all like everyone, black, white, whatever is tuning in to "scandal." and that just proved we're coming to tv.

you're already there watching television in droves and now advertisers can see the true effect the power in our brand and watching television. >> i'm also wondering, aisha, wung thing that happened with black women on television the reality shows in which african-americans, or unscripted is the better way to say it. african-american women are playing roles that have been critiques in spaces lice s like and others. a thursday night lineup that includes, is this also not a return of or an emergence of black women and the return of a different kind of television? >> a different kind of television but finally a time when black women get to play black women. black women have always been able to carry a show if we got a script of being a woim and being complex. >> sometimes we carried them even when we were stereotypical

roles. >> now you're seeing, oh, my god, this woman is a law professor and a little crazy. this woman having an affair and we're seeing people who are really interesting divers and characters and all of america flocks to that. >> what i like about what aisha just said here, danielle, the crazy part. so, in other words, we weren't necessarily looking for roles where, it's not just like either the goddess but they're complicated and salacious and quirky and problematic and that's part of what is so enjoyable about them. >> i decided to call it anti-ratchet television. we're going to be combatting the stereotypes that we have been fed through reality tv and i won't go down the list of shows but the polling and name calling and finally get back to what it means to be this complex, gorgeous, fierce black women. i have to get my life and clear my dvr and clear my schedule

because like black women are here. and thank god for shonda rhimes and kerry washington and the success of "scandal." because if it was not for them and the ferocious twitter followers, we would not be seeing this. we as black people constantly have to prove ourselves in entertainment or politics or what have you. this they did and thank you for them because now we have a full lineup that i think is going to be breathtaking television. >> cori, let me come back to you for one last moment. we're all clearly quite excited about, apparently we have nothing to do on thursday nights. we're going back to the land of tv watching. but let me ask why it might be important beyond our enjoyment. so, yes, it's great for black women, but if i'm watching nerdland right now and i'm not a black woman, why should i care that suddenly all these new characters are going to be on television? >> well, i think you should care because what the fall tv lineup

is going to show the diversity of our country. the diversity of real life. and like what we're talking about. these are women who are going to be multi-fascted. they have flaws and different characters and they're not stereotypes and just more of a reality of what the world is and i think in seeing these women, it just lets us know as minor y minorities as women in this country we are here and we are a part of this fabric of america we're here to stay. i think it's uplifting and it just makes you feel good because you don't have to clearly watch these television shows and just see this whitewash, but here it is. you see somebody that looks like you. i mean, i love when she won her academy award because my daughter looked at her and said she looks like me. that's what the importance of this lineup is. for everyone to see themselves in television. >> cori at the essence festival in new orleans.

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deal very clearly and directly with issues of race. here's another great moment about the son, andy, andre, what is the son's name? >> andy? >> that's not even close to andre. >> i think it says i'm edgy but approachable. >> i think it says i hate my father and play field hockey. >> so, some of the shows we were talking about previously, they're not about race, just have the extraordinary women playing roles, but "blackish" is going to go into the question of race. >> laurence fishburne plays his father and larry wilmore is the show writer and important because it is going to be the minority report. the father is trying to hold on to their blackism and there is one episode where the kid asks him for a bar mitzvah. this goes directly with race and also back to that family comedy that we were talking about. about race, but relatable.

because as families we all understand that. >> this was the moment that was the huxtables. interesting in part this is happening on thursday nights, again, right? yet i'm always reminded that the huxtables were occurring at the same time as the reagan era. so, there's part of us who wants to say, all right, this is a great moment in which we're going to bring back the black family to television and, yet, when we had them before it didn't necessarily translate for us politically? >> it didn't translate. but black communities got to see a positive representation for the first time on the home and for some white families that don't have black friends, these are the first black people invited to their house. the dad's a doctor and the mom's a lawyer. it's a dream of every minority group. if we get this many arab or muslim shows on tv, people would call it a plot. >> again, i interviewed howard gordon for "daily beast" who created "homeland" and not beloved in our community.

represents the worst of all the muslim arab stereo types. the guy abuses women. you know, our struggle is, let me put it this way, arab the new black, it will open the door for us. the same thing i told people about president obama, open other minority groups. even helps a woman be president. so, sincerely will help other minorities because others will say, you know, you can have a brown face and an asian face. >> it's interesting you say the language of help in part because the women who are playing these extraordinary roles we're talking about literally were the help in previous films. >> they were. >> very, very recently in the bulk of their career. i want to go back to a point you just made. "the cosby show" is the reason

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i'm so sorry you all couldn't be here for the commercial break in which dean was schooled by a table of black women about how we feel about tyler perry. but we're not going to talk about that at the moment. because i want to point out that as much as we are having kind of

a celebration of the changing complexion of our fall tv line-up there are some new projects that are getting potentially a little more pushback. i want to show this sort of introduction here to a new show called "fresh off the boat." ♪ >> that's me. your boy eddie wong. check it. 11 years old and moving from d.c. to orlando. ♪ i saw the sign ♪ and it opened up my eyes ♪ i saw the sign >> so this lead character is not unlike the story we just talked about around "blackish." it's a question about assimilation and culture. here is the same lead character addressing the issue of being in a school in which he is a minority. >> me, my american dream is to fit in. >> why do all your shirts have black men on them? >> notorious b.i.g. >> b.i.g.? >> yeah, man. >> come sit with us.

>> what is this? >> chinese food. >> get it out of here. ying ding's eating worms. >> i need white people lunch. >> what is this store so excited about? >> so i actually love the idea that wearing a black man is the thing that makes white kids accept the asians. there's a lot of interesting stuff here. but this has been getting more complex pushback. >> this is based on eddie wong. he's a famous chef. but this is based on his biography of the same name. it's the first time we've had an asian cast on television since 1994's "margaret cho's american girl" in primetime. but it's getting pushback because of the title. and also because of the accents. you heard the accent on the mom which just sounds stereotypical and fake. two steps forward, two steps back. it's amazing we have an all asian cast in primetime. however, the show has problems. >> you were saying we would just take some representation at this point. we want our own tyler perry. and then got yelled at. >> but you know what? i think minorities who are not

represented all the time on television like asians, there is complaints about this when you see it online. the reason is because we want to be represented as cosby. if we're going to be introduced to america in our own terms, a doshlth, a lawyer, upper middle class, living a life that we dream that our community only lives. there are bad people in my community. there are fresh off the boast arabs. they get a whole show about it there would be a backlash. but they'd be funny and likeable. as long as they're not a terrorist in my community, as long as they're not a terrorist on tv, i'm actually happy. >> we all want to be the cosbies. which in a certain way we do. clearly why we like the obamas, they remind us of the cosbies in an important way. but part of what i lying about th this new line-up they're not all cosbys. on "blackish" there's this one interaction between the african-american father who the mom who is mixed race about the quef race. >> it's not that big of a deal. >> all this coming from a mixed woman who technically isn't even really black? >> if i'm not really black, then could somebody please tell my

hair and my [ bleep ]? >> clair huxtable would never say that but i am sko excited that tracee ellis ross just said that. >> that's why shows like "orange is the new black" do well. it's not a comedy but it could be. you've got trabz genden transge women p. the things they deliver are so intense and funny and not p.c. these are real conversations. and it's good writing. let's take race out of it. good writing. >> you bring up "orange is the new black." because here we have a transgender black woman playing in this role and she's an inmate. so you might get the kind of like pushback like here they are inmates, but instead like the depth of their humanity keeps coming forward. >> i think that's one of the major things about what's happening on television is you that need to have the depth of character. i think that you can tackle a lot of issues that people see within the black community, within the arab community if you have good writing. but if the writing is very shallow like let's say a tyler perry, then we fall into these

traps where we're just like this is just more stereotypical garbage. but because they're allowed to really express the fullness of their character, like the tracee ellis ross character, i love that line. i thought was brilliant because claire huxtable would never say it. because fresh prince of bel air -- >> would never say. but wouldn't have even pointed out that our hair is different. we catch that moment, right? >> but it's okay now. it's okay for to us show our diversity within this space. >> and let's be clear. this is not benevolent. >> oh, no. >> this is good business. i push back on the language that keeps getting tossed around here. we keep saying minority, minority. >> it's because we're a majority now. >> we are actually the majority. and that's 20, 30 years in this country people of color will be the majority in this country. we're talking about a trillion dollars worth buying power. this is good business to have diverse characters to show the fullness -- >> african-american women the highest voter turnout of any race gender group in the past two presidential elections and now we get to play the president. it's so great. thank you to my panel, to dean and to alicia.

also thanks to the politin politini polinistas themselves. yes, they are married to each poop that's what's happening. that's our show for today. thank you for watching. i'm going to see you next saturday at 10:00 a.m. but now it's time for a preview with alex witt. >> how do i follow that? >> watch parties. >> more undocumented immigrants head to the u.s., we show you where their journey begins and what they're trying to escape. a swimmer's attacked by a great white shark off a popular los angeles beach. you're going to hear him describe how he survived the encounter. the battle over voter i.d. in north carolina is heating up. we'll tell you about a critical hearing tomorrow and what it means for the right to vote in that state. and the story you have to see. a controversial approach to teaching survival skills to babies. it may go against your instincts. but advocates say this method works. don't go anywhere. i'll be right back. if you wear a denture, touch it with your tongue.

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