cycle." "now" with alex wagner starts right now. president obama said he would go it alone on immigration but it's fate once again rests in the halls of congress. it's tuesday -- ♪ >> the president is today asking congress for $3.7 billion to deal with the immigration crisis. >> i don't think a $2 billion check is the answer. >> what we're seeking is more efficient application and enforcement of that law. >> this is the imperialist presidency. >> what magic wand can he make to make this go away. >> the white house now says many of the unaccompanied children will not be allowed to stay. >> we have to be sure that our policies are not guided by hysteria. >> i have to alleged this few democratic governors in the state of texas and other places, the president would have acted immediately. >> there's a reason we don't throw them back into the river and dry them back into the

desert. >> there's some suggesting that the president was responsible for this conspiracy of these poor children from central america. >> you are either inept or you have somal tear yor motive. >> i'm not exactly sure they think he snap chats showing impoferrished children in honduras. >> president obama said he would go it alone on immigration but its fate rest in the halls of congress. in an emergency appropriation request today, the white house asked congress for $3.7 billion to deal with the influx of tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors at the border. that includes $1.8 billion to the department of health and human services to care for migrant children. $1.6 billion for homeland security and the justice department to go towards law enforcement and deterrence. and $300 million for the state department to quote, repatriate and reintegrate my grants to

central america and address economic and security charges behind this surge in child migration. white house officials emphasized they are approaching this as an urgent humanitarian situation but it's possible republicans may see this as a political opportunity. today jeff sessions said any request from the white house should be offset telling role call, i don't think the president should be rewarded for his failures by just having us borrow more money to just pay for that. this morning republican congressman tom cole told chuck todd, he would listen to the white house's argument but expressed serial skepticism. >> i don't think a $2 billion check is the answer. if i was going to do that, i would spent it in guatemala and elle salvador, not to expedite the flow here. >> a spokesman for john boehner said the appropriations committee and other members will

review the white house proposal but that the speaker still supports deploying tnational guard to deploy humanitarian support which this does not address. president obama will make stops in austin and dallas for democratic fundraisers and attend a round table discussion on the crisis at the border with governor rick perry. but the president has no plans to visit the border. >> joining me now is white house domestic policy counsel director, cecilia mun oz. thank you for joining us. yesterday white house press secretary josh earnest said most unaccompanied minors will not qualify for relief. today the white house seems to say they will be evaluated on a case by case basis. which is it? >> it's both things are true. these cases will be evaluated on a case by case basis if they

qualify for humanitarian relief the cases will proceed. the standards are very high and just based on the history of these cases it is up likely they will qualify for humanitarian relief and those who are not will be returned. >> just to be clear, it sounds like most of the children, the expectation is they will be deported? >> that's right. this is really important. parents are making decisions about putting their children in the hands of traffickers and smugglers on the assumption that traffickers are saying to them, once they get to the united states they are home free and get permission to stay, it's no problem. this is false information. it's being put out there by the traffickers because they are making money this way and kids are being put in this tremendously dangerous situation crossing central america to get to the border. it is incredibly important parents making this decision understand that they cannot expect the border to be open for their children that we will of course take care of children when they end up in our custody and care but that -- we will

apply humanitarian relief if it's available but in most cases it won't be and kids will get returned to their home countries. >> certainly it is a treacherous voyage in these countries. in honduras, there is the high -- it has the highest murder rate in the world. i wonder given the fact that we have, are you at all concerned about the fate of these children once they are returned back to their home country? >> there's no question that in general this is a tremendously dangerous situation. that's why in the supplemental request the appropriations request that the president sent up to the hill today, we have resources to in place to work with the countries in central america and for that matter with mexico to make sure we are deeming with the smuggling networks to make sure we're helping these countries deal with root causes, but the bottom line is that the fact of violence in central america cannot mean that folks get to

come to the united states. we need to make sure we're addressing violence and this smuggling situation in its root causes and we're applying the law appropriately with respect to humanitarian concerns. but this is an incredibly dangerous process as you say and we need to make sure parents aren't putting kids in the hand of smugglers under the false impression they'll be able to stay. that's not true under our laws. >> and i understand that communicating that message is para mount in all of this. but let me ask you, of that money that you're asking for, $3.7 billion, which is a figure much higher than had been circulating in the week prior, does the white house expect they are going to get all of that money without making tradeoffs to republicans in congress? >> the tradition in congress is that when you're dealing with an urgent situation like the one we're dealing with, you put money forward in order to deal with situation. there are people on both sides of the aisle saying this is urgent. we have to make sure we're on top of it and surging our

resources to disrumt these smuggling networks and dealing with root causes and that we have enough asylum officers and judges to process the cases quickly. all of those things are true. there are people on both sides of aisle are saying it and we are seeing these are the resources to make sure we're dealing with the situation appropriately and immediately. >> do you expect you'll have to make tradeoffs to get the full amount? >> well, we'll see how republicans respond to the request but the bottom line is if this is an urgent situation, which everybody says it is, we've got to deal with it in a cooperative and bipartisan manner. that's what the president is asking for and the kind of debate we hope to inspire in congress. >> speaking of collaborative and krooptive, it was just announced a few hours ago that the president will meet with texas governor rick perry. what does he expect to get out of that meeting with rick perry? >> the president will be in the state of texas and going to be meeting with community leaders and faith leaders trying to do something about this problem. he invited the governor to join

him and as well as meet with the president one on one. he's looking forward to that meeting and especially working with folks in texas being part of the solution here. the president has been trying to move an immigration bill forward. that could deal also with the root causes of this, especially with the authorities we need and the resources that we need to have more immigration judges and really deal with this situation effectively, the president has already put forward this request for funds. we're hoping governor perry will be supportive and help work with us to make sure we have bipartisan support to deal with the situation effectively and immediately. >> one thing seems to be bipartisan accord on, if i can say that in these days, a lot of folks on both sides of the aisle think it is imperative that the president visit the border. it is not just republicans, on this program yesterday, raul grijalva said the border lands deserve a presidential visit. it's vital and important -- border larnd interests are vital

and important to the nation. why is the president not visiting the border? >> what the border situation needs is full attention of all across the administration from the president on down. that's what's been happening since june 1st when the president asked dhs to appoint the fema administrator to coordinate the effort all across the federal government. we have dha and hhs and department of defense and department of justice all engaged in the process of dealing with the border situation, surging resources and providing appropriate facilities for those kids. secretary johnson has been to the border five times in the last month -- >> can i just interrupt you cecilia. we're well aware of the cabinet members who visited. the white house weeks ago designate d this as a humanitarian crisis. why is he not going to the border to look at this one? >> the president is very, very focused on this urgent humanitarian situation and meeting in texas with people who are trying to be part of the solution.

he's engage d a whole of the federal government and sent his vice president to central america. in fact, secretary johnson is in guatemala today dealing with the situation. the whole government is involved in the situation at the border, in central america, in mexico. and around the country where we have facilities for these kids. this is a whole of government effort from the president on down. >> so do you expect there will be no blowback that the president will be in the state of texas at the fundraiser meeting with a governor to talk about the situation and refuses to go to the actual place where the crisis is happening? >> here's what we need and what we expect from the president and government, we be engaged in what's going to be most impa impactful in dealing with the situation. that's been going on since it became clear that the situation was on the scale that it is. the important thing here is that we've involved the whole of government from the very beginning, that we have multiple agencies of the cabinet engaged and the president is fully aware and on top of the situation and using resources we have to be effective and providing a deter

aept and making sure we are managing children's cases effectively, regarding humanitarian concerns and remove those who are removable and sending a clear message. that's why it's important we have the department of justice providing facilities for these kids. this is a presencive effort from the president on down. that's why the president sent a supplemental request for appropriations to the congress today and we're going to continue to be focused on this as a urgent humanitarian situation as long as it takes. >> white house domestic policy counsel director cecilia munoz, thanks for taking the time. >> thanks, alex. >> i'll ask former press secretary bill burton to grade the president's response to the crisis on the border. a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion.

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we just heard from white house domestic policy director cecilia munoz on the urgent humanitarian situation and the 3.7 billion appropriations request to deal with it. president obama will head to texas tomorrow where he nod to the cha gr -- not visit the border. former senior advisers to priorities usa art, bill burton. it's been great to see you. let's talk about the debate of the day, whether or not the president should go to the border. you were former deputy press secretary, how much of an issue is this for the white house? >> the president having served in the white house what i know

is that the president is not moved by what the conversation is on whether or not he should enkbaj gauge in the optics of some debate or another. if he thought it were helpful to go to the border, he would do it. sometimes you have to do it without announcing it publicly because of the security risk and different things like that. but maybe he also doesn't want to pull personnel off what they are doing dealing with the crisis happening down there. >> don't you think it is an odd position to say this is an urgent humanitarian crisis we're requesting $4 billion from congress and have heads of all cabinet agencies and the president will be in texas for a fundraiser but not go, sort of convoluted logic, is it not. >> no, i don't think so. the security footprint that goes along with the president could be quite disruptive and the president is basing this decision solely on what's going to be helpful to crisis. if he thought the american people could be moved, i'm sure he would go. maybe he still will but i don't

think he's doing this based on the conversation that we're having or conversation that's happening on other cable stations right now. >> not that this conversation isn't important. >> i think it's quite important. >> this is a miraculous turn of events in so far as i feel immigration reform is a soft weak spot for the republican party given their intrans jens on the issue. yet somehow it feels democrats in the white house have been put on defense. how did that happen and can they get the ball back? >> i think that the white house and democratic party still has the upper hand with voters and that's where it's really important. in 2014, and 2016 where we're having this conversation about immigration, people will recognize it was republican intrans jens that stopped it from happening. the truth about the crisis, it is a real crisis. children are at the center of it. the thing that's so sad, because of this media environment, even though we're talking about it right now and it's right in the president's face and in two

weeks i promise you, we will not be having this conversation anymore. immigration comes and goes but republicans haven't had to pay any meaningful price because the media environment cycles through things so quickly that they are tagged for -- >> some media outlets are intense on covering this 365 days a year, i won't name names. i wonder what you think of the request for $4 billion. given the fact that republicans feel em boldened to say no, this is children and border crisis in large part about securing the border in whatever fashion, having more aerial drones if border agents are otherwise occupied. can the republicans say no? can they horse trade? >> they'll try to extract as much as they can and boehner and mccarthy are under extraordinary pressure from the right in their party to not give in on any spending particularly when it comes to immigrant children.

i heard rogers talk about the illegals that need to get bussed out immediately. you don't get this is a humanitarian issue with real humans at the center of it. cecilia said we're going to see governor perry and hoping he'll help us get the republican support to get this done. i think rick perry is on the hook for the cash as much as the president is in order to help alleviate it. >> this is a strange bed fellows but if alleviates the process, i say go for it. >> all for it. >> nobody likes money to coming to texas more than governor rick perry. bill burton, thank you for your time and thoughts. >> thanks. >> coming up, benghazi, benghazi, pbenghazi, it turns ot the obsession is also an important one. we discuss the department of waste management next on "now." you know that dream...

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don't go calling them a do nothing congress. house republicans are putting your tax dollars to work waging the battle over benghazi. today the house select committee on benghazi, these lucky men and women and house select committee requested $3.3 million, just for the remainder of this year to investigate the september 2012 attacks. that partial year budget is larger than the full year budget of four existing house committees, including veterans affairs. that is correct, the partial year budget to probe republicans' conspiracy theories on benghazi is larger than the budget for overseeing the problem plagued va. to be clear, the house gop is willing to spend more on its benghazi witch hunt than for systemic problems at the va, a crisis that found 100,000 of our veterans facing delayed care and with allegations as much as 40

veterans died while administration cooked the books. 3.3 million comes on top of the 7 other congressional investigations that have already looked into the benghazi attacks, investigations with cost the pentagon estimates to run into the millions of dollars. meanwhile, there is an actual legal proceeding taking place, one featuring the suspected ring leader of the benghazi attacks on that abu khattala in federal court today. how do republicans railing about slashing government spending rationalize this flagrant waste of taxpayer dollars? allow the good men and women at fox news to explain. >> this administration forces us to spend hard working dollars from american taxpayers. >> if this cost $33 million, we have to go forward because if we have a liar as president of the united states, or as secretary of state at that time, it's worth 33 million to ferret out

the untruflness. >> if it cost -- whatever it costs, we're in it now. >> whatever it costs, we're in it now. so much for fiscal conservatism. joining me now, jonathan chat and senior editor at the new republic brian boitler, actual humans said those things in seriousness. >> it's truly not a lot of money. the question is the decision to hold the seventh or eighth or umpteeth hearing. you need to spend money on the hearing, right, like a few million dollars, isn't a lot of money for the federal government. i think that's a question of do we need to have another investigation. i don't think we do but you might as well, don't do it on the cheap. >> let's be clear, when you put it in the grand scheme of all of the other committees and the va is a relevant comparison there is a legitimate scandal and

legitimate investigative, investigation that needs to happen. we're not allocating as many resources towards that. >> i think one thing, you have the priorities question, if you had democrats saying we should raise taxes on rich people by 35 million for benghazi, absolutely not, we can't do that. on the other hand this harkens back to the impeachment days under bill clinton, they keep spending more and more and probing deeper and deeper because they thought that maybe further on down the line they might actually find something. >> somewhere there is a tiny bone, a kernel of something. we're talking before the segment began. this is part of the sort of lawsuit fever benghazi fever. this is all electoral strategy at this point, is it not? >> it's a risky electoral strategy, a strategy to play kate the base and not so far as republican leaders get forced into doing things they don't

want to do and the one everyone knows at the end of the road is impeachment. i don't think they'll get forgsed into that position. they have to be careful they don't get pushed that far that's the step they have to take. >> they have not proved -- if we're speaking republican leadership, john boehner has not proven deft at walking his congress to the edge of the cliff, let's turn around, guys. you've weighed in on this. sarah palin is calling for boehner to impeach the president over his immigration policies. i don't understand once -- how helpful it is to gin up that wing of the base and not deliver. >> i think boehner is doing a better job, walking the line between tossing red meat to the base without indulging deepest fantasies on scandal issues than the government shutdown fight and previous fights in obama's first term. i think that the problem he's going to face is that he's kind of like flipping through cards, there's benghazi and vets. >> a really thin tarot deck.

>> he doesn't just need it to get past the 2014 elections, he wants benghazi to last through 2014. and it's just -- 2016. through 2016. it occurs to any it's going to be difficult to slow walk benghazi or other things and flip through them in such a deliberate manner as to make them last for that long. >> you make that point, jonathan, the role that scandal has taken in the vacuum of policy. republican hysteria still exists but increasingly finds its expression not in policy but in a melange of scandal. once ee pit mized by obama care and socialism and grease has taken the form of benghazi and irs and bergdahl. it's also because they got nothing else. >> right, what i was trying to describe there this larger way in this which policy debate has receded completely from the republican mind. it's the idea that obama is transforming the country and

making grease or communist russia or something terrible. it's become this vaguer sense of abuse of power and become personal and not policy focused. that's why the energy is going into these hearings. i think as brian says, you have to flip the cards from one to the other. >> i guess the we is, in the long term, we are a two-party system here. how does the republican party emerge from the ashes of all of this sort of -- this empire they've been building to recommend something. you made the point, marco rubio is giving major speeches and people trying to craft some tind of domestic agenda. effectively falls on deaf ears because all of the noise is about scandal. >> i think that what -- right now what is happening is they are doing one thing at a time. eyes on 2014. we'll deal with the question whether we're going to have a productive enough agenda or popular enough candidate, et cetera to appeal to voters in

2016. first get to 2014 then we'll see where we are, whether we need to keep doing these crazy investigations or whether we need to start dribbling out an agenda at this point. if they retake the senate, it kind of -- it can kind of pull both ways because they can either take that as a mandate to push conservative policies or fire up the base, which will want to keep attacking obamacare -- >> can they do that if they take the senate? can they keep on investigating? if khattala is convicted in federal court, can they still work benghazi and irs and can they still work all of these things if they control both the upper and lower chamber? >> what they are going to want to do is turn benghazi into a question whether hillary clinton was responsible for what happened that night, not on how well the investigation in finding culprits is going. separately, there will be a debt limit after 2014 and need to fund the government and leverage

poibts, if republicans take the senate tlb a lot of pressure to extract policy concessions. >> this to me sounds like a war without an exit strategy, which is something we know republicans are very good at. thank you both for your time. >> thank you, alex. >> just ahead -- the gop's long national nightmare in mississippi to be specific is far from over. david corn weighs in on the big old mess in little ole miss. ♪ f provokes lust. ♪ it elicits pride... ...incites envy... ♪ ...and unleashes wrath. ♪ temptation comes in many heart-pounding forms. but only one letter.

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we shall never surrender! >> we shall never surrender! we shall never surrender! >> apparently, failed mississippi tea party challenger chris mcdaniel has taken a tip

or two from fellow warrior ted cruz. remember when mcdaniel, the man would compared president obama to a slave master, when he lost his runoff election to six-term incumbent thad cochran by nearly 7,000 votes and remember when mcdaniel refused to surrender and announced a highly questionable legal challenge to the results? yesterday an attorney for mcdaniel's campaign announced that team mcdaniel would continue its challenge. >> has indeed been election fraud in this case. and we do not want to see any election decided by ineligible voters. >> as it turns out, the timing for that announcement was kind of awkward. that's because last night right after the mcdaniel campaign's big announcement, the mississippi republican party officially certified the election results of the runoff and chris mcdaniel lost by an even bigger margin. after the results had been finalized incumbent senator thad

cochran expanded his lead from 6800 votes to 7700 votes. why isn't chris mcdaniel surrendering? >> what happened in mississippi was appalling, primaries are always rough and tumble, bumt the conduct of the washington, d.c. machine and mississippi runoff was incredibly disappointing. the d.c. machine spent hundreds and thousands of dollars urging some 30 to 40,000 partisan democrats to vote in the runoff. >> the irony that this is coming from ted cruz, a u.s. not who works in washington, the irony is so thick you might very well choke on it. that d.c. machine to which cruz is referring is ted cruz. ted cruz is vice chairman of the national republican senatorial committee, the campaign arm of senate republicans and an organization which knocked on 50,000 doors on behalf of a guy

named thad cochran. ted cruz also by the way vowed last year to stay out of primaries involving incumbents but whatever, some people can never resist the fight or at least the appearance of one. joining me now is washington bureau chief of mother jones, david corn. they shall never surrender! >> i can hear that all day. >> we can play it on a constant. >> it does remind me of the guys after the civil war, the lost cause, we will never surrender, coming out with little caps and muskets s that's what ted cruz should have. the last point you made is really interest. every point is interesting but that one was really interesting. it shows just how, you know, conflicted the republican party is. here you have the guy whose voice chair of the national republicans getting upset because the senatorial committee won. >> did its work. >> and blaming it on the

washington machine, which is -- >> which he's part of. >> this is about with ted cruz, about 2016. the tea party needs a fight. for the same reason that john boehner is suing the president, ted cruz is now making mississippi the battleground, you've got to appease the tea party and keep ahead of it before it consumes you. i think the interesting thing will be to what degree does this become a national tea party cause? to the cliven bundy level or we see in some places the tea party, these lost causes the tea party, they finds a home? sometimes they sputter. matt bevan didn't do too well. here, you know -- >> this is particularly pointed to for the republican party, not just because it's republican versus republican but the votes they are questioning are predominantly black folks. for a party in the heart of the south to be out there we talked

about this, poll watchers is one thing but now to say, we're going to litigate this in the northern districts of mississippi, which are predominantly black and say these votes aren't legitimate is a really powerful message to be sending to the country and to minority voters. >> the thing is, what can -- if the best outcome they can get is to have a runoff election. if they do this, what do you think will happen? come on, you know it's going to happen. the people whose votes they have thrown out will come rushing back and they'll have to do it over again. may give the democrat a chance if they do it two or three more times before the general election in november. although, they are almost whistling past the grave yard, the mcdaniel campaign, legal experts say it's not cut and dry, they can mount a challenge and get a redo i have runoff. they keep talking irregularities and haven't produced evidence of much yet. >> you say they haven't produced

much evidence of irregularities. you can map that same logic on the whole voter i.d. debate. >> true. >> this is part of the republican playbook. if you don't like the results, make sure voters can't vote or if they did vote, make sure the votes don't count. >> call it fraud, over and over again, whether it's there or not. there's a racial component that's going to hurt them one way or the other. >> does anybody control the republican party anymore? ted cruz seems to be as potent as he ever is? >> they don't control it. they can't the nrsc can't prevent the voice chairman from attacking what they do. there is nobody in charge. it's kindergarten, without the teacher. >> not biting the hand that feeds you, it's biting your own hand. >> we can do metaphors all day. >> always great to see you. >> good to be here, alex. >> job hunters and baby and bikini photos. it is not linkedin and

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the latest installment of the snowden files published in the "washington post" this weekend exposed the vast number of innocent americans caught up in the nsa internet surveillance dragnet and for first time detailed the kind of intimate correspondence that has been collected and stored by the nsa. a four-month analysis of 160,000 e-mails provided by snowden led the post to conclude that approximately 90% of those whose data was collected were regular web users with no ties to terrorist activities. swept up alongside detailed activity were the every day activities of ordinary americans, mental health crises, medical records, academic transcripts of school children. pictures of infants and toddlers

in bath tubs and other women model lingerie striking risque poses. it was a black eye for over a year asserted that this type of internet data of the fisa amendment act was limited to foreign nationals outside the u.s. >> is the nsa have the ability to listen to americans' phone calls or read e-mails under these two programs? >> no, we do not have that authority. >> does the technology exist at the nsa to flip a switch by some analysts to listen to americans' phone calls or read e-mails? >> no. >> so the technology does not exist for any individual or group of individuals at the nsa to flip a switch to listen to americans' phone calls or read e-mails? >> that is correct. >> administration officials repeatedly ridiculed snowden's claims that he had access to such content. the former nsa chief assured the

new yorker that he didn't have access to that. in an awkward bit of timing, the post report was published days after the president's privacy and civil liberties oversight board released a report supporting the internet data collection methods it was impressed with the rigor of the government's efforts to ensure it acquires only those communications it is authored to connect and owes those persons it's it's authorized to contact. chief of vox.com, ezra klein. this is not a good chain of events for the administration. we played that tape of keith alexander, it's shocking he said the things he did and we now xr this information that the u.s. government and nsa more specifically had precisely access to all of those things. >> technically you can't flip a switch. you have to press a button -- >> maybe that gets him -- >> this is the hard part of this program. it's a thing the obama administration had the most

trouble talking about. they don't believe the american people would like it if they heard it very much. if you want to do data mining and this kind of new style big data, you look at tremendous quantities of data and try to search in some hopefully anone mized why, though it doesn't look like it from what the "washington post" got, search for patterns that show you threats you weren't able to see. by definition you need to pull in tremendous amounts of information from innocent people. then we're saying, you're pulling in the tremendous information. why do we trust one that either you or your successors by the way will not do something terrible with it. why do we think you're good at using it? what evidence do we have that the algarhythms you're running are showing anything viable. >> yesterday in atlantic, even if you disagree it's illegal, there's no disputing the fact the nsa has been proven

incapable of safeguarding the data. the nsa should not be allowed to collect and store it. what do you think of that line of argument? >> i think about this part of it a lot. so a lot of the snowden documents come out of essentially the consultant presentations and anybody seen a consultant presentation knows they are not wholly accurate and tend to suggest that the project is going better, that it is more foolproof and technical capacities are more overwhelming. you look at what we see when the government does technical projects, we think about healthcare.gov and think about the incredible disaster of the scheduling systems at the va, those are really bad examples but it's not like you get examples of tremendous insane technical competence without mistake from any part of the government. the thing i often worry about the nsa is essentially two fold, in addition to the very serious privacy and legal concerns, which is one, i don't see any particular reason to believe this agency is nearly as omny

potent as the public facing image would suggest. if it is not, clearly bad at story data as snowden's theft of it shows, and if it is potentially either using bad algarhythms and you get no real problems, it's almost safer if you think they are omnipotent big brother type agency. it's worse if they are not, get the wrong things and wrong corps regss. >> that's a ratio of 9-1 dangerous people that the nsa has been surveilling. do you think public opinion is such that we accept that ratio, that that's deemed okay, there are few victories that the nsa can point to in terms of data collection, is that enough or will there be a call for major oversight and rethinking of how the nsa collects data? >> i genuinely have no idea. you're seeing tipping in congress. i believe a couple of weeks ago

the house for the first time -- >> and the supreme court. >> to limit nsa powers but it's hard to say how far it will go. you get in closed door intelligence meetings. i think i want to emphasize and i'm not geldman and don't know this stuff nearly as well as "washington post" reporters and doing this work. what you can say, it isn't clear that the nine innocence for one potential target is actually a bug and not a future. if what they are trying to do is suck in tremendous quantities of data, the point is to look through the data that wouldn't be otherwise targeting to find people they didn't know they needed to target. >> that is a revery astute point as usual. after the break, to death or till health insurance do us part. how does a party of family values break families apart? i'll explain next. [ mrs. hutchison ] friday night has always been all fun and games

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in sickness and in health until obama care do us part. after being happily married for more than 33 years, larry and linda drain decided to separate late last year not because they fell out of love but fell into the coverage gap. like 162,000 other tennesseens, they make too little to qualify for subsidies under the affordable care act but too much to qualify for medicaid. that wouldn't be the case if governor would opt if for medicaid coverage in tennessee. so far the governor haslem declined to do saying he favors plans to help the poor by private insurance. with linda drain facing problems

due to epilepsy, they were forced to make an ago nieser decision, stay together or separate and keep coverage. >> i can't live with her unless governor chooses to -- with medicaid, i'll never be able to live with her. >> he's written daily letters on his blog titled dear governor haslam. all you can save is lives but to do that, you must act. all governor haslam can do is save lives, potentially thousands of them. the health affairs study found refusals to expand medicaid will result in the deaths of 7 and 17,000 americans or expanding medicaid coverage would save up to 17,000 lives and for that matter, at least one marriage. that's all for now. i'll see you back tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern.

"the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans, welcome to "the ed show" all the way live from new york, i'm michael eric dyson in for ed shultz. let's get to work. >> i don't believe he particularly cares whether or not the borders of the united states is secured. he doesn't go to the border, it's a real reflection of his lack of concern. >> secure this border, mr. president. >> what has to be addressed is the security of the border. >> come on, live free or die? i mean, you know, you got to love that, right? >> you know that, i know that and president of the united states knows that. >> what's the third one there? >> i will tell you there either are inept or don't care. and that is my position. >> let's see, i can't -- >> secure this border, mr. president. >> you are either inept