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your time tonight. >> take care. >> "politicsnation" with the reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, dr. dyson. and thanks to you for tuning in. i'm live tonight from washington, d.c. tonight, breaking news. right now, president obama is in dallas, texas. meeting with governor rick perry and local leaders about the border crisis. within the last hour, the president touched down and was greeted by governor perry. who recently attacked president obama with an off the wall conspiracy theory. >> i have to believe that when you do not respond in any way, that you are either inept or you have some ulterior motive of which you are functioning from. >> al ulterior motive? it was an attack without any
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facts. and utterly spin cal response to a genuine humanitarian crisis. but all day long today, it's been more of the same from republicans back in washington. gop lawmakers storm had to the senate floor. >> it is a disaster that is the direct consequence of president obama's lawlessness. he's not visiting the border. he's not visiting the children. apparently there's no time to look at the disaster of the devastation caused by his policies. >> how can you have a humanitarian crisis as the white house called this and not want to go see it for yourself? >> they are bashing the president, for not visiting the border tonight. some critics are foolishly comparing it to president bush's infamous fly-over of hurricane katrina. even one democrat is doing it.
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>> i hope this doesn't become the katrina moment for president obama, saying he doesn't need to come to the border. >> he could become the president's katrina moment because he does not seem engaged on this either. >> this is president obama's katrina. if he is down there with pictures, of thousands of children in jail cells. >> this is about action, not appearances or optics. they want a secure boreder? why don't they go to the republicans blocking the bill that could do it. something right now could be done to help. the president wants $3.7 billion to deal with the crisis. but today speaker boehner and the gop are threatening to deny the request. trying to get easier to criticize the president than to solve problems. they are so worried about optics, why don't they condemn right wingers yelling at a bus full of mothers and their kids. and why don't they condemn this?
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>> there is also a potentially deadly outcome of having this influx of illegals crossing into the u.s. and it has to do with disaturdayss th diseases they are bringing with them. >> telling us that the federal government, the federal government, is covering up the extent of the health crisis. they say kids have skabys. they say they have chicken pox and all out epidemic of lice. >> i fear an all-out epidemic of hypocrisy. hypocrisy from right wingers in washington down to texas. it is time for them to stop talking and start acting. joining me now, joe madison and bill press. thank you both for being here. >> good to be here, reverend. >> thank you. >> big meeting on immigration going on right now. you think governor perry has a
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good explanation for the president about what he meant for ulterior motives? >> no. and he realizes reverend sharpton, that the president comes with potentially $3.7 billion. that, by the way, the local communities need. they are the ones complaining how do we in fact handle all of this? how can we pay for this and that's what president is saying. here, i have a check. i'm willing to right this check. if the congress will pass it and this will help you out. and let me draw something else that i find very hypocritical, to too. everyone is criticizing the president, why hasn't he flown from washington to the border. excuse me, why hasn't the governor flown from his state? he hasn't even been to the -- >> you're not suggesting that the governor has an ulterior motive for criticizing the president? >> i'm not usually into conspiracy theories.
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>> let me go back to the money. boehner saying it fails to secure the border. but in the past, he rejected the president's plan to secure the border. listen to him today and several months ago. >> we don't secure the border, nothing's going to change. and the president's request, it is all continuing to deal with the problem. >> he is feeding more distrust about whether he is committed to the rule of law. listen, there's widespread doubt about whether this administration can be trusted to enforce our laws. and it is going to be difficult to move any immigration legislation until that changes. >> i mean, if he is just finding any reason it criticize this president -- >> first of all, hard it tell which was then and which is now. he keeps saying the same thing.
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you've got to understand that the money -- there are more -- there are more agent at the border today than there ever has been. the president put them there. there's more fence. more guards or more drones, more protection at the border than ever. number two, comprehensive immigration bill that passed a year ago in the senate, 14 republicans voted for, it has all the p all the protection that the republicans want. and why? that man, boehner, has refused to schedule -- they can't debate it at the house. >> refuses to put it on the schedule. >> put your money where your mouth is. you want protection at the border, we need more resources. $3.7 billion. if they reject this, they are the biggest hypocrites that ever entered the united states congress. >> joe, bottom line, put your money where your mouth is. you really want reform, you
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really want to secure borders, $3.7 billion to put your money where your mouth is. >> votes are there for the immigration bill. we have talked to republicans and democrats. if the vote was taken today, it would pass because of the 17 republicans. what is holding it up is this handful of tea party people and let's go back to -- >> and speaker boehner. >> and boehner. boehner cannot make -- he can't decide whether he wants to be speaker of the house of representatives or whether he wants to protect his -- the position he now has. he is so afraid. this is the most leaderless speaker that i've seen in my lifetime in dealing with pop tigs. politics. >> i don't want to get off the conspiracy theory too quick. i mentioned the governor's conspiracy theory that you commented on. but gop congressman, he also has
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a conspiracy theory. listen to this. rs . >> in the end they said they want to turn texas blue, turn america blue. if you bring in hundreds of thousands or millions of people and give them the ability to vote, president obama's lawyer's not going to allow them the id so go vote or you're going to lose the benefits you're getting now. that drives people to vote. >> that's why they're letting all these young kids come in, because in two years, they are going to be eligible to vote and they will bus them to the polls and have -- >> and president obama's lawyers will make sure of that. >> let's face it, louie
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guantana gomer is crazy. you ought to talk to romney who got 27% of the vote in 2012. in 2016, they will be lucky if they get -- >> joe, this is growing on the right. we are hearing this more and more. not just gomer, we are hearing a lot of this on the right. >> look, these kids, 8, 9, 10 years old. the president has two more years in office. he can't run for a third term. so who in the hell -- excuse me, reverend, just pray for me. who are they going to vote for? he won't even be running for office. and also, gomer also needs a history lesson. because then he talks about, let's do what wilson did. when he sent black jack disparaging him. >> talking about history, i mentioned that some critics made to katrina, the right wing has done it before, many times.
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they call the healthcare.com roll out the president's katrina. before that, hurricane sandy's aftermath. before that, the gulf oil spill. then it was h1n1 flu. the for the hood shootings. earthquake in haiti. chicago housing policies. financial crisis. benghazi. irs. now the border crisis. all comparing to katrina. this is going to be president obama's katrina. i'm just wondering, what is it the president's katrina, according to the right? >> i i just had a hip replacement. so that's the president's katrina, my new hip. >> do you have video of the meeting taking place with president obama and some of the leaders down in the -- >> they know bush blew it during katrina. we know that. we know lives were lost. you were there. i was there.
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we know that people were dying in the superdome. this has nothing to do with katrina. this is nothing more than to reflect, simply deflect anything that happens, it is katrina because bush blew it and they want it make the president look like he did it. >> the president is -- he is dealing with a humanitarian crisis and humanitarian mission to help, do the right thing and help these children. that's exactly what bush didn't do. >> i have to leave it there. joe madison is right, we were in katrina. i was there. we didn't just want bush to come. we wanted the levies to work. make it work if you think it's his katrina. put your money where your mouth is. >> yes. >> coming up, before coming down in texas, president obama was in denver touting the economy he is building. and he took another political shot at republicans.
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and hot car's dad. secret pick up website reveals new details on his dirty web page. and naked photo he he was sending at his son was dying in a sweltering hot car. and this california highway patrolman caught beating a woman is still on the job. why? why is he still on the job? justice files ahead. shopping online is as easy as it gets. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers, carpenters and even piano tuners were just as simple? thanks to angie's list, now it is. start shopping online from a list of top-rated providers. visit angieslist.com today. [ cat meows ] ♪ ♪ da-da-da-da-da, bum-da, bum-da ♪ ♪ bum-da, bum-da ♪ the animals went in two by two ♪ ♪ the sheep and the frog and the kangaroo ♪
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i agree, carol. betty says, i'd like to impeach congress for not doing its job. we'll have much more on right wings of impeachment talk coming up next. until then, we want to know what you think. go over to our facebook page to join the conversation that keeps going long after the show ends. e twice her size. and that strength inspired his incredibly powerful liquid muscle. it's got 2 and a half times more power in every drop, to lift tough dirt with less scrubbing. no matter where you use it. and with its auto stop nozzle almost nothing is wasted. yep, sure made grandma proud. mr. clean liquid muscle. proving that when it comes to clean there is only one mr.
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i have a better idea they should do something. >> house republicans should do something to help the country. but they won't. instead speaker boehner is putting the final touches on his plan it sue the president. national journal reporting today he has a three-week roll-out plans to get the bogus lawsuit as much attention as possible. next week a panel of experts will testify on litigation before the house rules committee. the week after that, a house panel will debate the plan. and finally, just before their august break, they will vote on the suit. speaker boehner's hoping all these technical moves will make the lawsuit legitimate. they won't. but the crazy thing is, some on the right don't think he's going far enough. >> the one tool they vr articles
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of impeachment, let's get going on that. and not necessarily, shawn, a lawsuit filed by congress because you don't bring a lawsuit to a gun fight. and there's no place for lawyers on the front line. >> sense when do you call a political disagreement a gun fight? and pushing impeachment. even boehner won't go that far. >> speaker boehner, former vb candidate sarah palin talking about the bringing a lawsuit to a gun fight. >> i disagree. >> suing the president to appeal to the base. but impeachment, he thinks that's going too far.
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i'm glad speak are boehner has his limits but he should have reached them a long time ago. joining me now, are delina and abbey. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> abbey, how is this impeachment of lawsuits affecting the gop leaders in washington? >> well, to your point, it's important to recognize and point out that speaker boehner is not for impeaching president obama. he is just pursr suing the pres. that a moderate version of what is going on here. i think there are a number of republicans, including myself, watching this pli out, watching a car crash that is about to happen. and saying, don't do this. why are you making this decision when you know there is public backlash? the question that i have in this lawsuit, is it lacks all credibility when you look at presidents before obama that have done the same thing and more often. that's the point of this whole
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thing. it is not about immigration, right? not about abusing executive action. for some folks within the republican party, as we often talk about, their main goal is to take down president obama. but i will say, what does surprise me about this situation, is speaker boehner. because we have seen two sides of boehner, right? we have seen a side that calls out the far right and says they can be crazy. i'm surprised to see him leading the charge on this one. obviously, his job is at stake. you saw what happened to eric cantor. he knows if he doesn't support their cause then his job might be on the line, too. >> as a leader, you know, this talk about impeachment is all about appealing to the base. because one north carolina republican told "the huffington post," quote, most of the conservatives in my area would like to see impeachment brought to the floor for debate. so it fires up debate. is the establishment back firing on the party as a whole, is the question. >> i think it will back fire.
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but also this is building since the republicans took back the house of representatives in 2010. in 2009 i wrote an article about the fact that they were going to try to impeach the president with faux manufactured scandals like benghazi or irs. throw it out, name it, this scandal, and they would build it up to the level where they can impeach the president. i don't think it surprises me that someone like sarah palin on the extreme right would pull out the "i" word. then they talk about the imperial presidency because he is using his executive authority. then the next logical answer is impeachment. so i think that they are just going further and further to the right. but like abby said, there will be a huge backlash. the american people want jobs, infrastructure and help with their student loans. can we get a little bit of help from congress? >> abby, sarah palin isn't the
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only one talking impeachment. take a look at this. >> . >> abby, ernst is now walking back those comments. she is not in a close race. will this turn off undecided voters? >> you ask how this will affect the voters more broadly. i think in the mid terms this is the type of stuff that fires up the primary voters.
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but makes me concerned about 2016. this is not where the rest of the country is at. and they see this type of stuff playing out and they're thinking, how could i be a part of a party seeing this type of stuff. the advice i would give is look, we talked about president obama's poll numbers are not where he would like them to be. 40% of the country aproves of the president right now. republicans should let this breath, let this play out. they are making it worse on themselves by talking about a lawsuit, talking about impeachment. >> zalina, the talkers have been calling the president a dictator, a radical. forever. i mean, taking it even a step further, listen to this. >> he has governed as a radical, he has never shown a propensity to adjust any pragmatic side of this man.
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he is the manchurian candidate. he knows one thing. radicalism and that is how he's governed and he will govern this way to the end. >> the manchurian candidate? he is controlled by some outside force? could these attacks get any weirder? >> that one is particularly weird. i don't know if that is because they are not giving him the credit that is due for the fact that he has been accomplished and able to become the president of the united states. i mean, is the question there that he is not smart enough or intelligent enough or intelligent enough to be the commandener chief as he has done successfully the last six years. whether you agree with him, it is questioning whether or not he deserves to be where he is. >> this group has been doing that since the day he came into office. >> right. >> and that will not change any time soon. >> right. >> i will have to leave it there.
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zerlina and abby, thank you. watch abby on "the cycle" here on msnbc. still ahead, awaiting comments from president obama. we will have that for you live in just a few minutes. also, paul ryan confronted with the real face of poverty. we'll show you how one woman demolished the right wing talking point. and new photos from the website of the dad accused of killing his baby son in a hot car. how could his secret life affect the case? in tonight's justice file.
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sweltering car last month, more details are emerging about the boy's father's social media footprint. today, we're learning about the secret pick-up sites he visited. these are profile photos showing what appears to be ross harris on the site called scout.com. police say he met at least one of the six women he was sexting with on this site. he was allegedly texting naked photos of his private parts at the same time his son was dying in the car. on this site, ross used the profile name, rj. it lists his age at 27 years old, even though he is 33. it also reads, quote, just looking to talk. message me. i'm harmless. prosecutors say harris exchanged lewd photos with multiple women.
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one was just 16 years old. all part of ross's desire to lead a double life. >> evidence has shown us right now that he has this whole second life he is living with alternate personalities and alterna alterna alterna alternate personas. >> he remains in jail after the judge denied bail. esther, what did these new photos mean for the case, if anything? >> they may be a red herring or provide motive for why ross did what he is accused of doing. the issue alone that he was sexting doesn't make him a murderer. if the wife knew about the
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sexting issues, then it probably wasn't a motive for murder. if she didn't know, it might have been. so prosecutors need to find a between the sexting and the murder. >> let me put it this way, nbc found the profile that appears to belong to harris. he wrote, quote, i'm now in my dream job. i have a beautiful 6-month-old son, and love going to work everyday. i couldn't be happier. now these postings stopped on june 18th. the day cooper died in the hot suv and harris was taken into police custody. so we see two different personalities reflected here? >> yes, we are. >> there we good. sorry. i should have directed that. eric? >> we are seeing two different
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personalities in this issue, reverend al. this man has shown himself as being, i'm a loving father. i love my wife. but then on the other hand, he's going on web sites trying to attract women. and not only has he done that, he has been caught texting and sexting women. and not just women, but girls. one of the young ladies he was texting was 16 years old. which is a totally different charge from this murder charge that he is actually facing. not only does he have problems with the murder charge of his son, but he will probably have charges in references of sexting because that is illegal to send pictures like that. >> now authorities, esther, are honing in on the child's car seat as a piece of the evidence. quote, the boy's parents had purchased the new forward-facing child seat six weeks ago. but just a few weeks before his death, they switched back to his
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old seat for reasons not known. cooper was several inches too big for the rear-facing seat. why is this important to investigators? >> this may be planned. even though they knew he should be in a forward-facing seat, they intentionally kept him in a rear-facing seat. there are many reasons, in fact, if they wanted to hurt their son. he would be facing the son the way the car was laid out, if he was facing the back window. additionally put on the highest strap, designated for a new born. which would show they were really trying to resfritrict hi ability to move and help himself. which makes this crime that much more horrible. these are facts that would come out. it could have been as innocent as switching cart seats, they only had one forward-facing but they switched between the
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parents. we don't know at this point. >> we will stay all over this. eric, let's move on to los angeles. calls for federal investigation into this police caught beating this woman on camera. [ bleep ]. >> oh, [ bleep ]. >> why. >> we're learning the california highway patrolman seen in this video has been with the department for a year and a half. and's been assigned to desk duty pending the investigation. he is still getting paid. still on the job. still getting paid. no suspension. 30 seconds for both, starting with you eric. should we see charges here? >> i believe there is a descent chance for charges in this particular case. police officers have a right to use force but only the amount of
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force that is required to subdue a suspect. this lady appears to have some type of mental issues. she was walking along the freeway, not obeying the policeman's order. walking around without shoes p. which may indicate some other issue. we don't have sound so we don't know if she was making threats, threatening this officer. i do believe an investigation will result in charges. >> esther, what do you think? >> there is no excuse for that type of brutality. the police officer is the professional. this woman may have had psychiatric problems but the officer should be trained to deal with them. one, restraining her a little bit, but 15 punches. to me, it's excessive. >> doesn't matter what she was saying or what shoes she had or not. 15 punches on one woman, i agree with you. >> i agree, it was too excessive.
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i wasn't saying it wasn't, reverend al. >> i know you want to get it straight before we go. >> i agree with eric. >> thank you. >> we are waiting to hear from president obama after this meeting with governor perry in texas. stay with us. live in the same communities that we serve. people here know that our operations have an impact locally. we're using more natural gas vehicles than ever before. the trucks are reliable, that's good for business. but they also reduce emissions, and that's good for everyone. it makes me feel very good about the future of our company. ♪ thlook what i got.p. oh my froot loops! [sniffs] let's do this? get up! get up! get up! get up! loop me! bring back the awesome... yeah! yeah! yeah! with the great taste of kellogg's froot loops. follow your nose! ome. i before i doesearch any projects on my home. i love my contractor,
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comments live just as soon as he starts. but we turn now to the economy. earlier today, the president was in denver talking about building an economy for everyone. >> that's what makes this country great. a sense of common purpose and patriotism. and economic patriotism. it says we fall and we rise as one nation. as one people. we need economic patriotism that says it is a good thing that everyone gets health insurance. that's not a bad thing. that's a good thing. it's a good thing when women are paid the same as men for doing the same work. that not unamerican. >> it's a good thing when someone working full-time isn't living in poverty. that's not unamerican. that's not radical. it's right. it's what built this country. >> it's not radical.
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it is right. but while the president was talking about getting working americans out of poverty, paul ryan was back on capitol hill holding a fifth hearing on poverty. and the safety net. and after a month of hearings from so-called experts, republicans finally agree to hear from someone actually living in poverty. a mother of three from philadelphia testified today. her husband and their three children have been homeless twice. all three kids suffer from medical disabilities. tiana and her husband both work and together earn about $300 a week. it is nearly impossible to make ends meet without government assistance. >> could anyone live off of that amount of money like i do everyday? every month. every week. it's difficult.
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it is not something that we choose to do. i don't know one person, maybe in this room, that can juggle the things that me and my husband have to juggle every single day. having three children on medical disabilities, going back and forth to work. sometimes maybe having to take an under the table job just to bring in extra money. there's an lazy bone in my body. no one who lives in poverty wants to stay on government assistant programs. we want to be independent. we want to work hard and believe in the american dream, that if i work everyday, get up at 7:00 in the morning and my husband gets up and we work, so we will have the same jobs, benefits, wages, paid sick leave as ifrn else. everyone else. >> that's all anyone in this country wants and it is what the president continues to fight for. as republicans continue their war on the poor. joining me now is congressman
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jim mcdermott, democrat for washington who serves on the house budget committee. congressman, thank you for being here tonight. >> good to be here, rev. >> the testimony we just heard was incredibly powerful. why did it take so long to get a real person who is living in poverty to testify at one of these poverty hearings? >> we ask and we ask and we ask and we ask. and finally, i think mr. ryan seemed like a compassionate conservative to he brought her on. and she stole the show. she was so powerful. >> now, you know, republicans have repeatedly insinuated congressman, that people on government assistance are lazy. listen to this. >> we don't want to turn this safety net into a hammock that allows able-bodied people to end up in complacency. >> pay for your clothes, pay for
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your shoes, pay for your housing. >> self reliance, if no one will work, neither should he eat. >> really poor children in really poor neighborhoods have no habits of working and have nobody around them who works. >> supplemental nutritional assistance program. buy beer program with the government credit card. >> but the witness today made it very clear there's not a lady bone in her body. and how they are doing all they can and still can't make ends meet with three children with disabilities. >> she is working a part-time job. her husband is working at a part-time job. and they make about together $300, about $320 after taxes. now, that a $1200 a month. there isn't any place in the united states you could live on $1200 a month in any kind of style at all. without the snap, without the food stamp program they would
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not have food for their table. and paul ryan is sitting up there smiling, that his budget that he put up, cuts $137 billion on the food stamp program. they want to seem like they care, but when you put and look at their deed, they clearly don't care about the poor. absolute war on this country. >> since you brought up snap, they love to say that welfare programs like food stamps are overrun with fraud. but look at this new study about the snap or food stamp program. the overpayment rate for the system is that just over 2.5%. that's the lowest overpayment rate since 1981 can be congressman. >> it is no surprise to me, al. the people who come forward for food stamps, by and large, are people who are hungry and need
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it. they are not trying to cheat the system, trying to get a fist fall of coupons or whatever so they can somehow steal from the government. these are hungry people, a lot of them very proud like miss tiana. it was hard for her to sit there and tell how poor she really was and what she has to deal with with two kids or medication. she's got all kind of problems. and he still has to beg for food stamps from paul ryan. he doesn't care that she can't make it without food stamps. >> you know, it has taken a toll because the recent poll asked americans, what it means when someone says they are a republican. 21% said it means that they support wealthy and business. they support the wealthy and business. and are not for the people. the only description that registered more often was
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conservative or right wing. you know, you will see tomorrow on the floor, us put a big tax break-in permanently for rich people but we're still trying to decide whether we can have food stamps and we got unemployment benefits. we got 3 million people out there who have no money. now, they said, well, of course when we don't give them the benefit, they will find a job. the long-term unemployment has not dropped in the six months since the republicans cut off the people who are on long-term unemployment. just cutting people off doesn't make them able to find a job if they are not skilled or there is nothing out there for them, they can't find a job and they are out there all over the place. they simply don't recognize what it's like for ordinary people. congressmen make $170,000.
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children who have flooded into the u.s. gop lawmakers have blamed the president for the crisis. even as they refuse to act on real immigration reform here in washington. back with me now is congressman jim mcdermott, democrat from washington. congressman, thank you for staying with me. tonight, i want to ask you, what is your reaction it all of the gop rhetoric we have heard on this humanitarian crisis in texas, over immigration. >> well, al, it's like everything else. if the president hit a home run, the republicans will say he lost the ball. they simply will never give him credit for anything that he does. he has put a budget and they have stalled them and blocked them for all this time to have people to do this. he now comes forward with a bill that says exactly what they have been talking about and they reject it and say, it is not enough or they simply will not
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work with the president. they would rather have the problem than solve it. that what is really going on here. >> now, he was greeted at the airport or tarmac by governor rick perry who first said he wasn't going to greet him. then he did. after he got the meeting he wanted. but he has also raised that there were ulterior motives, raising some really, in my opinion, strange conspiracy theories around the immigration crisis. how do you read what perry is doing here, congressman? >> perry is getting ready to run for president. and he will say anything that he thinks will help him get down the road. again, he has refused to take medicaid and he's got hundreds of thousands of people in texas who do not have health care. and yet he has given the stories about the president once they
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come up here and get shuffled around, he has all this crazy theory. nothing made sense and people are seeing it right on television. >> i have to take a quick break. we're waiting on president obama to come out an make a statement in dallas after that meeting. congressman, stay with me. we're going to take a break. we'll be right back. >> okay. ♪ during the cadillac summer's best event, lease this all new 2014 cts for around $459 a month or purchase with 0% apr and make this the summer of style. the summer of this.mmer. the summer that summers from here on will be compared to. where memories will be forged into the sand. and then hung on a wall for years to come.
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fuggedaboud it. this is new york. hey little guy, wake up! aw, come off it mate! geico. saving people money on more than just car insurance. we're back live with congressman jim mcdermott as we await president obama's statement on the border crisis. thanks for watching, and thanks for staying with me, congressman. as we wait on the president, congressman, the $3.7 billion that the president has requested of congress, the challenge we put out on the show tonight, with several guest, why don't they put their money up where their mouth is if they want to secure the border and have real immigration reform? >> that's the whole point, al. they never -- the bible says, by
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their deeds he shall know them. when you make this offer and say, here is the amount of money it'll take to do the job, put the money up and they don't do it. you know that whatever their mouth is saying, it is not true. they do not care about the borders. they want to use it as a political tool to inflame the right wing and they simply, if they wanted it do something about this, they have a bill from the senate that is sitting on the desk in the house. now, if john boehner were to put that up for a vote, he would have 200 democratic votes immediately and probably 30 or 25 reasonable republicans who go along with it and we would be moving in the direction of solving this immigration problem. they don't want to solve the immigration problem. they could bring it up and amend it. they can use the whole process. and they simply want the problem, not the solution. >> well, i'm going to have to leave it there. that's why people watch this
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show, congressman. where else could you have a congressman from washington preach the bible to a preacher. i'm al sharpton, stay tuned. "hardball" starts right now. >> what a dispute, let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews. the president is in the lone star state. he having a meeting with rick perry and other officials. the immigration itself, no one believes is working. hardly stopping the flow of
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