take care. ♪ good morning. it's thursday, july 10th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle and trouble waking up this morning? >> i had trouble going to sleep that night. >> that's right. you're that one. msnbc political analyst and visiting professor at nyu, harold ford jr. where he is? >> he apparently had trouble waking up this morning. >> my imaginary friend, harold. what time did you wake up? >> show that empty chair. are you serious? >> good morning, harold. you're looking really well. i like the tie. >> you're late for class. >> i got started early. >> we started early, harold. >> even joe is ready to go. that's bad.

don't do that. how are you? >> i apologize. good morning. >> make it the excuse that it was the baby. >> exactly. >> you have a picture for me? all right. we also have former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst steve rattner. you had trouble waking up this morning? >> i woke up too early this morning. >> oh, it was me? >> everybody has a different problem this morning. >> i could not wake up! in washington "the new york times" reporter jeremy peters who is always perfect and never has trouble waking up. >> i barely made it myself, actually. >> oh, really? there we go. we have got a lot to cover this morning. we have got all of our ducks in a row and joe is with us. we start with this new report actually on the front page of "the new york times," new report says chinese hackers targeted a u.s. government data bank that stores personal information of thousands of americans applying for top security secret clearance. the information loojed to the office of personnel management.

federal authorities realized they were hacked this past march and quickly moved to block the digital attacks and unclear how the files were accessed but one official says the attack was traced back to china. there has been no confirmation that the chinese government was involved in the hack but we will follow this and keep you updated. moving on now. a clear divide is emerging in the republican party amid calls to impeach president obama. one person who isn't on board with this house speaker john boehner. he doesn't want anything to do with sarah palin's push to sack the president over immigration and his use of executive actions. boehner believes the stronger play is taking the white house to court. luke russert asked how the house -- the house speaker about it and he had a very simple response. >> i disagree.

>> what about the folks in your conference calling about impeachment? >> i disagree. >> a new poll says mantle of americans would like sarah palin to speak out last on political issues. >> let's have a round of applause take 0 that one. >> i'm just reading it straight. could we scroll that back? >> hammer is home. >> is there no strain, no bad tone in my vice. i'm just reading it straight because this is the news. >> right. >> a new poll finds a majority of americans would prefer sarah palin to speak out less on political issues. 54% say they have heard enough from the former vice presidential candidate. could we just do that one more time, please? >> why? >> scroll it back. that includes nearly two-thirds of democrats. a majority of independents and close to 4 in 10 republicans. okay. see? that's important.

because, for some reason -- >> it puts her ahead of jesse jackson, former vice president dick cheney. >> really? and former vice president al gore and bill clinton. what? this is important because actually she does draw very large crowd and a lot of politicians bring her in to sort of back them up when they are running for office. >> raise money. >> they bring her into the primaries if you're trying to activate that part of the core of the republican party. 4 in 10 americans don't want to hear from her. >> joe, isn't the math done that ultimately she is not helpful or what is going on here? i know we were being a little bit jovial here but it's kind of important. >> well, less and less, people are bringing her in to primaries. she had a great run in 2010.

you can say she had a big role in helping nikki haley re-elected in 2010. a lot of this is to grab headlines and we shouldn't give her more headlines. what is next? >> that's true. >> what is next? >> i love it. former minnesota governor jesse ventura is in court this week over a defamation case involving allegations altercations between him and a navy s.e.a.l. who died in 2013 wrote in a book he punched out an unnamed celebrity at a bar who he identified as mr. scruff face. according to kyle, the celebrity spoke negatively of special forces accusing them of murdering women and children. ventura was eventually described as the celebrity. he is now suing kyle's widow for

defamation saying the incident never happened. kyle died last year, shot to death by a fellow veteran on a gun range but ventura continued his case. a movie adaptation of the book is on its way with bradley cooper playing the role of chris kyle. what a strange story. joe? >> well, mike barnicle, talk about sad. jesse ventura is a sad figure in so many ways. >> yeah. >> but to sue a dead navy s.e.a.l. hero over something that was written in a book where he's not even identified is just -- it's pathetic. it's sad. he needs to go away too. >> the root of it, joe, is apparently a bunch of s.e.a.l.s including the late navy s.e.a.l. shot to death in texas. they are in a bar in coronado,

california, according to the book, jesse ventura was not named but he's there and he speaks disparagingly of a couple of navy s.e.a.l.s and a couple of incidents involving the s.e.a.l.s and he ends up on the floor. book. now he is suing and continuing the lawsuit despite the navy s.e.a.l. in question who wrote the book. president obama spending a second day in texas. ground zero for the spiraling immigration situation. yesterday, he pushed back on criticism that he was coming to the state for fund-raisers and meetings with local leaders without a stop at the border itself. he laid inaction at the feet of congress. >> what i emphasized to the governor is the problem here is not major disagreement around the actions that could be helpful in dealing with the problem. the challenge is congress prepared to act to put the resources in place to get this

done? there's nothing that has taken place down there that i am not intimately aware of and briefed on. this isn't theater. this is a problem. i'm not interested in photo ops. i'm interested in solving a problem. >> a day before he was in colorado drinking beer and playing pool with the governor of colorado. >> photo op. theater. >> we will talk about it. yesterday, the president met with one of his harshest critics, governor rick perry, theater, guys. the two shook hands on the tarmac in dallas and flew together in marine one. the president called it constructive but there is no indication the meeting will help break a log jam to pass the president's $3 million emergency plan. in an interview slated to air on

"today" this morning if he wants to fix the president he'll send in the national guard. >> the president can send a message without going to congress and pick up a phone to the d.o.d. and have a thousand national guard troops temporarily assigned to the border and the message gets sent to central america very quickly. >> i do think the border issue and whether or not he should go to the border is blown out of proportion to the issue itself has taken the conversation to a ridiculous direction. the issue is what to do with the problem at the border and don't you think the president addressed that by going to meet with governor perry, other people and speaking to the american people? >> yeah. i suppose ieds ridiculous if you think it's ridiculous that the president show up in places of national crises. a lot of people in katrina wouldn't have thought it was ridiculous if george w. bush had actually showed up in new

orleans earlier and had his feet on the ground. no. there's no substitution. and the congressman that represents this area and knows there is no substitute to having a president of the united states come into your district. i'm stating the obvious here. the president does theater every day. so there's just some theater he wants to do and some theater he doesn't want to do and for some reason he doesn't want to do this theater at all. jeremy peters, though, this is an issue, obviously, that has held up in congress. what is the latest? >> well, not a whole lot, actually. the republicans and democrats are only in the very early preliminary stages of discussing how they move forward on this. i think it's going to be a very messy process. what you have in essence when you look at it is republicans not in all that much of disagreement with obama on the fundamental issue over deportation. they both would like to see the process of deportation sped

along here with these unainspected children at the border. the question is how do you get there? you're hearing cries on the right already that, you know, this is going to be another blank check to the president and i wonder what happens when you kind of fuse that tea party austerity message with the hostility and how complicated it becomes for republicans to approve this. of course, ultimately you need the house to sign off on this. the other interesting thing here is how this issue has really kind of scrambled republican, democrat, liberal, conservative alignments because a lot on the left who think what the president has asked for in this authority to deport these kids goes too far. you have dianne feinstein, dick durbin, the number two senate democrat, who told me yesterday that we need to be very careful about where we are sending these kids. >> the president has not shied

away from photo ops in the past. earlier this year, he visited california in the middle of historic drought to talk about federal relief aid and climate change. back -- >> that's a good photo op. >> he met with henry louis gates at the white house after a beer summit after the senator's arrest in his own home. he visited the gulf coast on the wake of the bp oil spill, handling tar balls on the beach. in 2011, went to el paso in sight of mexico while pushing immigration reform. >> we're here at the border tod today. everybody recognizes the system is broken. the question is will we finally summon the political will to do something about it? and that is why we're here at the border today. i suspect there's still going to be some who are trying to move the goalposts on us one more

time. you know, they said we needed to triple the border patrol. or now they are going to say we need to quadruple the border patrol or they will want a higher fence. maybe they will need a moat. maybe they want alligators in the moat. they will never be satisfied. and i understand. that's politics. but the truth is the measures we put in place are getting results. >> meanwhile, glenn beck is angrying many of his own followers after announcing he is traveling to the border with tractor-trailers full of food, water, teddy bears and soccer balls for undocumented children coming across the border. here is what he said on the show yesterday. >> this is a crisis and anyone, left or right, seeking political gain at the expense of these

desperate vulnerable poor and suffering people are reprehensible. the fundamental transformation of america happens the minute you go cold inside. so may i suggest we help the children? through no fault of their own, they are caught in political crossfire and while we continue to put pressure on washington and change its course of lawlessness, we must also help. it is not an either/or. it is both. we have to be active in the political game and we must open our heart. >> backlash from conservatives on twitter and social media was swift. beck admit he has never, quote, tab a position more deadly to my career than this. i'm surprised there is backlash to bringing toys to kids, joe, but i guess that's what happens. >> a lot of people are saying he is actually playing into barack obama's hands, that is playing

by obama's handbook but he is playing by another person's handbook, jesus' handbook. jesus was very clear. he said the people that are blessed are those that understand i was hungry and you fed me and i was thirsty and you gave me something to drink. i needed clothes and you gave me clothes. what glenn beck is doing is the most christ-like thing anybody could do. for a lot of people on the right who may call themselves christians to attack glenn beck for doing exactly what jesus says a christian has to do, which is to be the good samaritan. i think the fact that he is sending down tractor-trailer loads full of food and clothes and toys and soccer balls to these poor children, despite the fact he opposes the type of

immigration reform the president is pushing right now makes it even more mobile gesture. harold ford, i saw your political commercials. i know you hung out in the church a lot in pews. >> but, joe, i think -- >> it makes him like a good samaritan for doing this, despite the fact he's on the other side on the political ish issue. >> i salute him for doing it but i think it exposes a bit of hypocrisy on the side that they say their christianity guides them in many ways. this movement, glenn beck, takes a right stand how to treat these children. he garners and attracts criticism from those who proclaim or suggest they believe in him because of his values, yet when he makes a decision based on those values, he is criticized roundly and loudly

for it, which is unfortunate. i agree with you. >> doesn't this say something about the issue itself and those on the right who are digging in about it, mike? >> you know, these last five minutes, the president showing the president with the photo op and stuff like that? the president is a walking photo op. every time he comes out of the rose garden, we, the media, are all over him taking pictures and shouting questions and things like that. so let's put that issue to the side about him going to the border. >> he should go to the border, you think? >> but he's not going to the border. let's put glenn beck aside. the biggest issue we have been talking about here the past five minutes, we have a humanitarian crisis on the borders of the united states of america, our country. we are capable of handling that crisis but we are not handling that crisis. jeremy peters just indicated, according to his reporting, the two sides are fairly close together but will probably never come together. what are we? what are we doing here?

>> i think mike is on to exactly the right point. you know, obama, glenn beck, fine, we it talk about all that but the issue is we have these children pouring across the border. the problem when you get down to 9 legal its of it, we passed a law in 2008 virtually unanimously say the children could perhaps stay here or be sent back and that is what the law is. you have john boehner suing the president not obeying the law. now he is baying the law. if you want the law to change you have to get congress to do it. congress has to decide what they want. then the question is what do you want? do you want to send the children back to a place where the violence is rampant, where their chances of being killed or being abused is very high or do you want to take them as refugees? people fleeing from a place they can't live to come to a place they can live and it's different

than the mexican immigration situation. i think the reason why obama is a little bit sort of -- if you watched johnson on "meet the press" on sunday where he wouldn't answer the question, they don't really know and trying to triangulate through the issue where the democrats on the left want us to be humanitarians and deal with these children but the public mood keep them the hell out of here he and neither obama or congress come to terms what exactly they want to do. >> hard to say that about a child, too. when you see these pictures of these little children. really? you're just going to send them back and process them and hold them? that is what is happening at this point. the president has increased the border patrol numbers in large part and they are processing more people. >> the level of the volume of misinformation about this crisis is horrendous. the kids are drug mules. >> right. >> they are going to sink school systems and hospitals. it's ridiculous. >> they are refugees.

>> we have a refugee crisis in america, really? >> i don't understand the president's.7 billion plan. it needs to be examined to figure out where the money is going to go and how to resolve this. >> the president's plan is to -- he would like to change that law so he can deport them and would deport them more quickly. they don't want to say it terribly forcibly because a problem on the left but i think he is heading there deporting them more quickly and basically the money goes for hhs to take care of these kids while they are here and dhs to deport the children and you need changes in the law for that to happen. >> you need an agreement to make that happen. still ahead super bowl winning quarterback from the seattle seahawks, richard sherman, joins us with his mom. amy poehler's brother turned his story of culture shock into a television show. up next, ray nagin was

elected to clean up new orleans and then became the face of the city following hurricane katrina but now he is making headlines for all of the wrong reasons. first, let's go to rafael miranda with a check on the forecast. >> good morning, everyone. in the northeast here a nice quiet start to your day for the most part. some showers and storms offshore and moved through overnight. the good news in the northeast the humidity finally dropping and take a look at the dew point temperatures to 62 now. the humidity taking a break here in new york city. d.c. and philadelphia it's still on the muggy side and it will stay that way throughout the day today. showers and storms possible again. some could be strong to severe from philadelphia down towards drk later on today and temperatures in the 80s to around 90s in many spots and nice place is the midwest looking at sunshine and chicago temperatures in the 70s there, below average. it could be stormy in the rockies and southeast we will watch out for showers and

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♪ time now to take a look at the morning papers. the detroit free press. a new expert appraisal estimates the detroit institute of arts collection could be worth more than $4.5 billion. the collection includes work by michael angelo and rembrandt and creditors are demanding it get sold to cover the cost of the city's death but art collection for more than 60,000 pieces would not sell for that at an

auction. in new orleans, the former mayor of new orleans, the mayor during hurricane katrina, is now on heading to federal prison for a long time. ray nagin was slapped for 10-year sentence for accepting hundreds of thousands in bribes. the decade long punishment is shorter than what he he could have faced. the ex-public official rose to prominence during hurricane katrina maintains his innocence. the "los angeles times." th donald sterling denounced his wife and even calling her a pig after the session ended. he also promised a lifetime of lawsuits against the nba saying, quote, make no mistake today, i will never, ever sell this team and until i die, i will be suing the nba for this terrible violation under antitrust. if the sale is not completed by

september 15th, the league said it could seize the team and put it up for auction. good lord. >> i know. this from the times dispatch. senator mark warner wants the government to investigate facebook following his voversial experiment to study users without their consent. in 2012, the newsneeds of nearly 700,000 users were manipulated by facebook to see if it led to more positive or negative posts. the virginia lawmaker isn't sure if the study was appropriate but the response by users warrants a discussion about possible oversight of behavioral studies on social media websites. >> we kind of glossed over this story. >> it was such a weird story. >> i notice it over vacation. >> it was strange. >> yeah, but it's important. >> it's really important. you wonder what else they are doing, number one. they call it a small study and i believe it was sheryl sandberg who made some comments about it

when she was visiting cuba aind said it was very small. >> we communicated it badly. >> it looks like you might have spied on your users in a way that is perhaps inappropriate and perhaps invasive. and something you might want to know as a facebook user because people really pour their lives into this and all of their personal information is at stake. i was thinking about it also along with the google story with the lawsuit abroad over the right to be forgotten. >> that is a more complicated question. >> it's very complicated. >> but it's like we actually did a segment on the google story but we never talked about this facebook story. we should do and look into it. "the washington post" edward snowden is looking to stay put in russia after his temporary asylum expires at the end of the month. the former nsa contractor who leaked a huge amount of

classified information has been living in that country since june of last year. he is wanted by the u.s. government on es ppionage charg. justin bieber pled no contest to vandalism charges after egging a neighbor's house earlier this year. how old is this guy? the singer was placed on two years probation. he has got to complete and anger management program, pay an $80,000 fine, and stop acting like he is in sixth grade. earlier this year, bieber was arrested for allegedly driving under the influence and resisting arrest. less than a week after that incident, he was arrested in canada for assaulting a limo driver. with us now, let's bring in a guy who is known far and wide

across washington, d.c. for egging his limo drivers. >> no, joe. he tepees houses in mccclain, virginia. let's bring in the president and ceo of politico, jim vandehei. todd aiken has taken it all back. he mot republican is returning to the spotlight and a new book out saying he is sorry for apologizing about his controversial rape comments. he said, quote, taking my comments in order when a woman claims to have been raped. the police determine if evidence supports the legal desks finitif rape. he also says my comment about a woman's body shutting of the pregnancy down was directed to the impact of stress of fertilization. i can't even read any more of

this crap. >> just stop. please stop! >> it's a theme of your show today. sterling. bieber. palin. people want out of the national stage. >> jesse ventura! can they all go on a boat and row away somewhere far, far away? but todd aiken, he's coming back. >> he's coming back. he has got the book out. as you said, he basically unapologizes for his comment, quote/unquote, about a woman's rape and a woman can shut her body down to prevent a pregnancy. i doubt anybody wants this their summer reading. supposely mike huckabee who wants to run wrote the foreward for the book. >> he did? >> he is one of the few people who was defending aiken and saying technically his argument was not inaccurate. obviously, that comment, his

apology that he is reversing was the last thing people heard from him as he got out of a race he should have won. we talk about it on the show all the time a race he should have won. >> what is the big story, jim? what is mike huckabee doing things like this and he has some zany comments here and there. and things that don't sound like mike huckabee from 2008 and a guy who knows exactly what he is doing. is this guy dialing it up to try to win a certain fringe, i'll just say is he planning ahead to 2016? >> there's no doubt that he wants to be one of the people in the mix. i doubt he'll run at the end of the day. i think he's made too many moves as far as buying houses and writing a forward for this book to actually do it but it's not just a fringe. i would say the evangel ka base of the party is a part of the body. he still gets 10% because of

that. >> i don't know a lot of evangelical voters that didn't raise their eyes when todd raken spoke, what is wrong with you, man? keep your mouth shut. he didn't represent the evangelical ring of the republican party. todd aiken doesn't. they are crack pots. go away! >> does huckabee mention the libido comments and kind of make a context? >> i don't know if he talks about it in the forward of the book put for huckabee, you talked about glenn beck. there is this part of the party and beck is making a different move but if you take the six people who ran huckabee is one of the six people to get 10% of the votes so he has a presence inside the party. obviously, the todd aiken comment doesn't represent mainstream christian theology or component of the republican coalition but it's also no so exotic that there aren't christians or conservatives

wouldn't support what aiken is saying in public and mike huckabee defending. when you write the forward of the book, you're endorsing the guy. >> several years ago, mike huckabee laid your hands on your head and he healed you. i think it might be a time for reverse heeling for our good friend mike huckabee. we need to go to mike's place and you lay your hand on his head and heal him of some of these unfortunate comments. >> pastor huckabee, please don't defend the rape guy. just don't do it. todd, it's not good. >> what do you have coming up next? >> jim vandehei, thank you. lionel messi is has a way to make his market in the world cup. sports is next on "morning joe."

joe, here we go. i'm going to do sports. >> good. >> it's exciting. >> well, yeah. we will see. we start with the world cup. after a largely uneventful and goalless 120 minutes between the netherlands and argentina, yesterday's semifinal match went

to a penalty shoot-out. netherlands with the first kick and it's blocked on. that sets up early advantage for argentina when makes its first kick and both teams net their second tries, but the third dutch attempt is blocked again. argentina remains perfect the rest of the shoot-out and eliminates the netherlands 4-2 on penalty. argentina will play germany in the world cup final on sunday. these two teams have met in the final twice before, most recently in 1990 which germany won. they also met in the 1986 final which argentina won. >> and affiliated world war ii a lot of collusion there. >> between these two. no doubt about it. no doubt about it. a lot of germany blood in some of those argentinean players and third place you have brazil going up against netherlands. mika, i made no secret of it several years ago when i was drinking my heineken. i'm a fan of the dutch.

yesterday was painful gauge and it was painfully boring. >> yeah. >> i have pushed back against people like mike barnicle for years that have said soccer is boring because a lot of 0-0 games are the most games out there because a lot of action but the complete option of brazil and the game before. joey scarborough was with me and he fell asleep and he is a soccer freak. he woke him up at the 75th minute and he said, "what did i miss?" and i said, "nothing!" this was a boring game. mike, i take it you saw both of the games. it showed how bad brazil is. the reason it was boring was you had two defensive coaches. brazil is seen as the greatest franchise soccer on the planet

and how they could be so bad two days ago. that game two days ago, people will talk about 50 years from now. >> you're a soccer aficionado, i'm not. i was struck by most of the in quotes action took place around midfield. very little around either goal because of the defense which resulted in me having to take my eyelids open to continue watching the game. >> no. it was an absolutely boring miserable game. what did that mean you had two coaches that knew how to keep the lid on some of the greatest players in the world. you had messi and van percy and snyder and great players who just weren't able to do anything because both sides were clamped down so much. a great final. germany is going to be playing argentina on sunday. boy, i don't know who can stop the germans, mika. >> yeah. they look amazing. still no decision from lebron james about his future in the nba even after james met

with miami heat officials for more than an hour yesterday. meanwhile, the cleveland cavaliers made a three-team trade that clears up enough cap space to potentially offer james a maximum salary contract. it is safe to say the fans in ohio would love to have him back. cleveland has the t-shirts ready to go. they have forgiven king james for leaving them and want him to return to his home apparently. a group of cavalier fans have been campaigning for months to get the star player back in cleveland. they sponsored billboards and advertisements and t-shirts trying to show james the city has no hard feelings. >> can you explain the nba cap to me during the commercial break? >> i can't, but i'll try. >> it's something. i tell you what, though, harold ford, it would be oo hapa happyg to a rough story for lebron james. he made a lot of money and people like me rooting for him

in clolveed because he w in cleveland because he was a good guy and then he went to miami and admits it's a terrible mistake. this is a local kid comes home. this is a really happy ending if he goes back to cleveland and he'll have a lot of people cheering for him and cheering for the cavs. is there a chance that could happen? >> you have to think there is somewhat for the cavaliers to be taking the steps they have taken for lebron and his team not to have put an end to this or to close the door on this. if he doesn't go back does he create more harsh feelings if he turns cleveland down? i think it's likelier today than the other day or the day before. if you're in the nba you want him in a big market, miami, new york, or l.a. or chicago. if he goes to cleveland what does it mean to the nba franchise? if he doesn't go to cleveland after all that cleveland has done and the hoopla around it, you could again spark and trigger the same negative

feelings. >> this is like a "morning joe" flashback. because, four years ago, you exactly at this time you were bemoaning the dutch losing and you were wondering which team james would go to so there you go. now we are doing it again. all right. still ahead, how hackers -- >> let's hope lebron does go to cleveland. i'm sorry. go ahead, mika. it's like four years ago where i keep interrupting you. >> exactly. if he does, he should just go. >> take his talents to cleveland. >> then show up and play. how hackers are turning the 21st century arms dealers as a fight for the personal data is heating up. first the must read opinion pages. we will be right back with much more "morning joe." ♪

a live look at capitol hill. welcome to "morning joe." time for the must read opinion pages. i just sent it to her, mike. gail collins writes this in "the new york times" and i'd like to jeremy about this. the rant agenda. congress is back. thank heavens! because there is a crisis at the border and the highway trust fund is about to conspire. plus the export and import bank is teetering on the edge of disaster and all a rush that congress is scheduled to go on another five-week vacation beginning august 1st. the house speaker wants to get cracking on the matter of suing the president. i believe i speak for all of us when i respond, say what? people? have you been hanging around this past couple of years and when you make a list of the things you would like to see congress do about br they go back on vacation. how many of you put curbing the effectiveness of the white house on top of the list?

feel free to rant. jeremy? fair? >> i think what's interesting there is how this dovetails with the talk of impeachment. you have a lawsuit boehner filed which was meant to tamp down on some of this anger on the right, these calls for impeachment which have gone -- went on notice for a while but actually were quite loud and angry. he has done this, boehner. he has managed to please very few people actually. people lost think this is a political stunt and people on the right are saying it's a political stunt. >> go ahead, steve. then joe, jump in. >> the fact is, it is fair, right? you have a congress that has literally done nothing this whole session. you got all of these things that gail rattled off. the highway trust fund and all of that stuff hanging in the balance. yet they are complaining somehow the president is overstepping his authority and i think they just look like a complete hypocrites. >> let's try to think what can

be done. i'll read from "wall street journal" which is attacking the impeachment angle as well too. it's kind of surprising from "wall street journal." joe, everyone is so depressed with washington. everybody is so fed up with both sides. is there a way beyond this? how do we get there? >> yeah, use your vote. vote out a lot of people in washington, d.c. that's the biggest problem because liberals look to the house and complain. conservatives look to the senate and complain. everybody seems to be looking to the white house and complaining. the fact is you've got such an ineffective institution in congress. mike barnicle, very little gets done. and you look at the schedule that congress has. all of the breaks that congress makes. you wonder how it is that we, as a people, put pressure on john boehner and harry reid and barack obama to on get things

done? everybody is pointing fingers at everybody else. the fact is that those three leaders could make things happen if they work together. they won't. >> joe, i mean, you point to the obviously, solution people getting out and voting except when you investigate an obviously, solution at voting and you look at some of the people running against the incumbents, they are either crazier, more shiftless, or more bizarre than the existing incumbent in too many districts. >> mike, can i ask you something? how bad is the quality of the elected leader dropped over the past 25 years? and be really blunt. how bad? >> joe, it's stunning. it's literally night and day. 20, 25 years ago you could make an argument there were giants in the halls of the congress. both the house and the senate. today, you have too many members -- i would say nearly a majority of members, especially the house of representatives,

who are literally holding the best job they will ever have. all they ever did was politics. >> mika brzezinski, that is the answer to your question. what can we, as a people, do? we can get off the couch and more good qualified americans, liberal, conservative, democratic, republican, independent, moderate, they need to get up off the couch and they need to run for elected office. we need business leaders. we need community leaders. we need religious leaders. we need leaders in communities that are actually doing real things, running for office. >> well, and there are some people in washington, i think, who give us hope. at the top of the hour, i'll read this piece from "wall street journal" about impeachment. every single one of you has a task to think of what the positive is tangibly now, who they are, where they come from, whether it's business, whether it's in washington. it can't be that bad. there has got to be a way

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♪ rodriguez sends argentina into the world cup final. brazil's worst nightmare has just got a whole lot worse. >> with thousands of illegal immigrant children surging into u.s. president obama is meeting with a rival. >> governor perry greeted president obama with a handshake and a public release of a letter he sent to the white house in may of 2012. at that time perry noted 5,200 children were in texas and now the estimated number is ten times as large. the white house emergency request for 3.7 billion dollars

to deal with the crisis exploded on the senate floor. >> they are calling this a border security bill. >> it is just short of an all-out war tonight. >> the conflict is intensifying. israeli is striking by air. but gauza is paying a price. >> the threat to life in israeli is leading to a loss of life in gaza. >> hamas is undeterred. >> three long-range rockets were launched the site of the israeli. >> we told hamas to stop this rocket fire and now we are reacting. welcome back to "morning joe." harold ford jr. and mike barnicle and jeremy peters are still with us. joining us from washington senior analyst cokie roberts and editor of "the new public" frank barr.

good to have you all on board this hour. joe, we are going to get -- maybe cokie will have something positive to say about -- she's laughing. >> i think cokie always has something positive to say. >> she does. >> i'm sure i'm going to ask her to answer this question in a positive way. compare the quality of leadership on capitol hill with how it was 25 years ago, 35 years ago, 40 years ago, cokie. >> i'm supposed to do that positively? >> yes. >> all right. >> we were talking about it. it's not a good story, is it? >> no. put but i can say one positive thing compared to them which is there are more women in congress now than there were then and that is a positive thing. and, in fact, as we have talked about before, the women in the senate are the last little bash of bipartisan in senate. they get together and i accuse them wanting to be in a

testosterone free zone but they get things done when they get together so that is something positive. by and large, is this congress better than it was 25 years ago, 30 years ago? not even close. >> it's not even close. i guess the biggest problem is a lot of the really qualified people, a lot of people we would want running our congress just refuse to go through the meat grinder any more, don't they? >> it's hard to get people to run but it's remarkable how many people still do want to run. and how many good people do get in. and, look. i am positive, as you know. i'm became a pollyanna. i do think that most of the people there are there because they want to serve by their own lights and you can agree or disagree with them, but they are not bad people. they are just not really understanding what it takes for the country to operate and this notion that getting together is evil is a real problem. >> yes, absolutely. >> that is a real problem. frank, we brought you on

today to talk about, the editor of "the new republic" to talk about the world cup viewed by gazillions of people. for those of us who have been trying to get americans to be excited about soccer for a long time, yesterday was a huge, huge setback. i love the dutch. it was one of the most boring matches. it was a death march to the penalty kicks, wasn't it? >> to genuinely appreciate this game, you have to be able to appreciate the matches like this which are mind numbing on the surface but interesting subplots at the end. >> frank, you're boring me with your description of this boring match. >> like cokie, i'm a pollyanna and trying to put a good gloss on that abysmal performance yesterday which was a genuine

snoozer until the very end when it resorted to penalty kicks which is the worst way to resolve a world cup semifinal and holland installed a goalkeeper who never blocked a darn penalty kick in his life in the box and he failed again yesterday. >> it was the stupidest move by louie could have made and not go too deep in the weeds on it but i will say there was the importance of yesterday's match, it showed just how bad brazil's defense was. just how bad their scheme was. brazilians are still talking about losing a match in 1950 to uruguay. they will be talk about this match the next 50, 70 years, won't they? >> i was down in brazil the first part of the world cup and it's hard to capture the way in which the entire country goes all in for this month-long tournament. their national holidays that are

created around game days in order to avoid traffic jams where people rush home from work. the whole country is decked out in green and yellow. it's like christmas is here. the type of nationalistic display you see with flags coming out of every apartment and why is this the case? in this country, their entire sense of self-esteem and worth on the national stage is based around their excellence in this game and that has been brutally humiliatingly crushed at this moment when they were supposed to be showcasing their on their own home turf and destroyed and thrashed in the most painful way possible. >> mike barnicle, that's a shock, because germans don't have a history of brutally crushing and destroying nations. >> oh, joe. >> go ahead. >> well, i mean, on sunday you get the it recaptured again 70

years after it first began at the end of world war ii. you got the super bowl of soccer occurring this weekend. germany versus argentina. yesterday, i'm a live sports programming guy. i'll watch almost any live sports programming. yesterday was just -- i couldn't watch it, it was staggeringly boring. give me a preview of the seventh game of the world series, the super bowl, is it going to be the same kind of defensive game it was yesterday? what do you think? >> i don't think it will be because that's not the way that the german team has been built. they were -- germans used to play the way the game was played yesterday. they used to be plotting and defensive minded but they were transformed over the course of the last 14 years in no small pressure by jurgen klinsmann who is coaching the u.s. team to be very attacking minding and to

play a very entertaining n nongermanic style of soccer. i think they will be more wide open. messi is possibly one of the three greatest players in the game of all time. yesterday, you had dutch guys hanging off of his shorts which prevented him from doing much of anything but if he is able to find a little bit of space, he is capable of some of the greatest magic imaginable. >> mika, i wonder if frank used to call his train set leonile trains. >> we will ask him. >> you can tell he is a real soccer fan by the way he says messi's name. let's get to news. >> we will move to the immigration controversy is heating up and different dimensions as a clear divide is emerging in the republican party amid calls to impeach president obama. one person who is not on board with the concept house speaker john boehner.

he doesn't want anything to do with the push by sarah palin and others to sack the president over immigration and his use of executive actions. boehner believes the stronger play is taking the white house to court. luke russert asked the house speaker about it and he had a very simple response. i disagree. >> what about calling for a impeachment? >> i disagree. >> meanwhile a new poll finds the majority of americans would prefer sarah palin to speak out less on political issues. 54% say they have heard enough from the former vice presidential candidate and includes nerled two-thirarly tw democrats and 4 in 10 republicans and puts her head of

jesse jackson. "wall street journal" editorial board, let me read this and jeremy and cokie, jump in. one unfortunate reality of modern politics is the right left reinforcing media echo chamber. neither side broadcast the most outrageous statements of the other side as a way to define their opposition and attract attention to themselves. this is the way to understand the flurry of fever swamped chatter about impeaching president obama. sarah palin joined the impeachment calls on tuesday which could mean she has been feeling neglected. she is following the talk radio hosts and obscure authors who are trying to increase audience share or sell books by posing as mr. obama's loudest opponents. republicans aim to rebuild a governing majority should make a case about the failures of

democratic governance and trying to impeach mr. obama now is firing at the wrong target at the wrong time with the wrong ammunition. joe? >> cokie, of course, "the wall street journal," in my opinion, nails it. he got political leaders and figures lying sarah palin following certain talk radio hosts and certain cable news types on both sides into those fevered swamps. unfortunately with the house of representatives you have members of congress sometimes doing the same thing, don't you? >> absolutely. i'm sure one of the people who would really like to hear sarah palin be quiet is speaker boehner. he has got trouble enough with his caucus without her stirring it up, you know, and ted cruz keeps coming over and having little meetings with his members. just to keep them riled up. as you say with the way the districts are drawn, it works for them. it works for the republicans in

their districts to be out there saying impeach and all of that, but as you know all too well, it doesn't work for the party nationally and could be a huge problem going in to 2016. i must say for "the wall street journal" editorial board to talk about extremism is a little much. they have certainly been guilty of that themselves to put it mildly. >> or, harold, maybe it's a sign things have gotten so extreme they even see it extreme? >> well, that's true. >> jeremy, i guess the question for you. you talked about speaking to democratic senators about this immigration conversation. what are republican senators and other leaders in the republican party, in light of what this impeachment talk as it grows a little bit and hearing from sarah palin do you have a sense they want to distance themselves from her as well and deal with serious and more meaningful issues the country wants to focus on? >> absolutely. i think it's a question how

seriously and effectively they can grapple with the issues right now because so much division in congress generally it's impossible to get something as simple as a highway funding bill done. what i think this is really all about, all this talk on the far right about impeachment is that republicans have really run out of options on how to challenge this president. they deeply dislike his policies. they have tried through their own legislation to stick it to him. that hasn't worked. they shut down the government trying to defund his significant initiative policy, obamacare, that didn't work. through this growing frustration, you are hearing people go to extreme measures like impeachment and i think that is really what this is all about. of course, it's not going to work. the constitution says a president can only be impeached for high crimes and mifesdemeans and treason. eric ericsson is saying this

won't work. it's a real fringe. >> it is a real fing. eric ericsson and you got "wall street journal" stepping in. i may add in "wall street journal" defense, they were warning all along about the shutdown strategy saying it would kill the republican party. they have been helpful. i do want to say, though, if you can shed a light, jeremy peters, because you report for "the new york times" on capitol hill, the frustration that a lot of house members also feel about facing -- passing one piece of legislation after another piece of legislation after another piece of legislation, knowing it's going to go over to the senate and not even see the light of day. harry reid doesn't allow amendments on a lot of this stuff and adds to the frustration. i'm not saying it's the same thing that harry reid doesn't pass things that the house takes up. you got these two chambers that pass talk each other every day and leads to increasing

frustration. >> they really do. i think part of the problem when the house says it passes these bills, they are not bipartisan bills. let's be clear about that. they are job bills we will talk about adding manufacturing jobs, but, of course, they would do that through repealing obamacare. so i don't think that those are really as serious as a lot of republicans would like to make them out to be. on the senate side, just because of the nature of the institution you have to have bipartisan compromise and so they have been able to get more done. of course, it dies in the house because there doesn't have to be bipartisan compromise in the house. >> we are going to get one more story in here. former minnesota governor jesse ventura is in court offer a defamation case involving allegations of an altercation between him and a navy s.e.a.l. chris kyle died in 2013 wrote in a book he punched out a man in a

bar he called as scruff face. according to kyle, the celebrity spoke negatively of special forces accusing them of murdering women and children. ventura was eventually described as the celebrity. he is now suing kyle's widow for defamation saying the incident never happened. kyle died last year, shot to death by a fellow veteran on a gun range but ventura continued his case. a movie adaptation of the book is on its way with bradley cooper playing the role of chris kyle. it makes no sense to me. to sue the widow. >> to sue the widow over something that was said on a radio show, jesse ventura, let's put him in the category of another person who should just go away and not sue the widows of american heroes. give me a break. before we go to break,

frank, we need a prediction from you about sunday. who is going to win? the germans or argentina? >> before this tournament started, i predicted argentina. and i wish i had the courage of my convictions. i do. you know, as a man, i've got to stand by my prediction and say argentina will prevail because they have the greatest player in the world and extremely well-composed defense but you look at the way the germans played against brazil, i mean, it seems like -- this world cup has been a spectacular world cup. lots of goals. but the one thing that it was missing was a transcendent team that would be remembered for all-time. the way germany played against brazil, they seemed to have finally emerged as that transcendent team. >> but you're sticking by argentina? >> yeah, i got to. i got to stand by my convictions, man. >> i got two words for you. two words for you. occtane. it's going to be ugly. thank you, frank.

>> joe, so i just want to do this. let's see. you get a b. steve, you get an incomplete. mike, f. jeremy c plus because he is so cute. harold, i think have you to see the principal and cokie gets an a for finding something positive that exists in washington right now. thank you very much, cokie, for showing up. >> so glad to do it. >> i'll proudly take the f. >> you get an f, mike. frank, thank you. we will look out for the new issue of "the new republic." the true story of a man who gave up his life as a lawyer to jump-start a career as a comedian in sweden. his unlikely path which is now a sitcom in just a bit. plus, world war sglzero. the new battleground of cyberwar fare and how your personal data is up for grabs. up next, is israeli on the

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no country on earth would remain passive in the face of hundreds of rockets fired on cities that israeli is no exception. today, we expanded our operations against hamas and the other terrorist groups in gaza and we will continue to protect our civilians against hamas attacks on them. >> we continue with our talk of politics and foreign policy now as the drums of war are beating louder in israeli today. prime minister benjamin netanyahu puts more pressure on the militants in gaza. martin fletcher is live in tel av aviv.

is a full on-ground invasion next, possibly? >> reporter: they are talking about it and they are threatening it but they don't want it. the question really, at this moment, how long will hamas and other militants in israeli putting israeli in a position of having to stop them somehow? so israeli is being attacking now for several days. the worst attack was last night, 200 separate attacks by israeli against targets in gaza, including secret tunnels, including those rocket launching facilities. tragedy involved when one rocket attack hit a palestinian family. eight people from one family were killed, including five children. by the way, you were joking earlier about the world cup. at a beach cafe in gaza, palestinians are watching -- were watching the game and israeli rocket hit the beach cafe. five palestinian men were killed watching holland lose to alternate. israeli hasn't said exactly what

they were aiming at. it's tragedy however you look at it. the next stage of the game, as you ask, will there be an israeli ground invasion? the issue if israeli cannot stop the palestinians firing those rockets in israeli by their attacks from the air and from the sea and if there is an increasing number of palestinian civilian casualties like i mentioned from the air attacks and the rockets continue to fire to israeli. 4,000 palestinian rockets have been fired at israeli since this began. israeli need to stop this as the prime minister just said as you showed it. if they can't do it from the ground or the air, yes, a ground invasion is their next option but doesn't mean they are going to do it but they have called up recently the last few days 40,000 army reserves to on join the regular army which is massing around gaza for a possible ground invasion. israeli says if the order is given, they are ready to move in moments. >> nbc's martin fletcher, thank you very much. kind of chris salizing for our

next guest, how deep these angers and resentment and hat d hatreds are in this situation. joining is former representative from california and senior of the woodrow wilson national scholars, jane harman. how do we understand the solution is here? >> it's the middle east. things have beginnings and no endings. these resentments festering for years and wouldn't it be wonderful if john kerry would have been able to stage a two-state solution. i don't think that is the only reason this is happening. to paraphrase bill clinton, it depends on what your definition of fatah is but this tit for tat is going to a bad place. >> the rockets, hamas' rockets,

where are the rockets coming from and where is the endless supply chain? >> they are making some lowell. they have short range. the long-range have a range up to a thousand miles are made in syria and m-320s. it's not a thousand miles. a hundred miles. they have been shooting those and demonstrated that they can reach at least hadara which is 70 miles away. a beautiful downtown tel aviv is 44 miles away from gaza. they don't have an unlimited supply. they were smuggled in last year what we think and i'm assuming the israelis are trying to intercept and they have intercepted other shipments. when they run out of long-range rockets, if they do, that is good news. but this is a tragedy for the palestinian people and for the israeli people. many internet israelis will get hit by the ones that aren't intercepted by the iron dome and david sling which are their antirocket programs that work

pretty well. >> forecast out for me one second, congresswoman, we have watched what is happening in iraq and watched the calls for maliki to step down. it doesn't appear he wants to do it or he is inclined to do it. where are we three to six months from today? you anticipate american troops reactivated there or will the situation improve because of diplomacy and politics? >> it's another mess in the middle east and you can't think about iraq without thinking about syria and they are connected and this horrible islamic state is in both places. we should have acted sooner and rolling back the videotape i think we have have done the limited air strikes on syria and i think that would have degraded the arias sets of bashar and i think sent a huge message to the region. we didn't to has. now will are we in six months? i don't know. i think maliki is overreached. i think a real chance he doesn't win re-election for the third time.

wouldn't that be nice? a good outcome. and some other shia who puts his country first rather than just the shias first gets elected. that would be good. i don't know what happens with bashar either. i think a real chance in six months, the neighborhood, including some of the sunnis and some of the shias have overreached too. al bakr has overreached. might be in a better place. what do we do? we act carefully. i've been saying that don't do stupid stuff plus drones is not a foreign policy which i believe. but i also think that we could overreach and we can't pick sides between israeli and hamas right this minute. that will not be helpful. that could backfire big time. i also think we have to be careful and not become maliki's army. >> jane harman, thank you very

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we have been following the policy issue surrounding america' immigration challenges but often overlooked in the k t debate are the factors who flee central america. a report from inside mexico, a family is trying to leave behind a world of crushing violence. >> reporter: if this were a perfect world these kids and their brother brenda could be a perfect case to be considered for asylum in the united states. her husband a security guard was killed by gangs for trying to clean up his neighborhood last year. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> reporter: when she affected she found her son anthony with his father and he was brushing away the blood and debris on his face because the gangs threatened to kill her and her children if they found her she

is terrified in honduras. but this family doesn't have the money for a lawyer. they don't even have enough money to make it further the guatemalan and mexico border. she is growing more murph to the violence around them. after listening to her mother talk the older son insisted we interview him as well. at 10, he rattled over family members and friends who were killed by gangs. when we asked what he wanted to be when he grew up, a doctor. when i asked him if he would ever go back to honduras. ed, yes, to kill the men who killed his father. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> brenda now worries her children will fall into the same type of violence she is trying to escape. >> that is the other side of the story or one of the many sides that you really can't -- >> that is what is driving these children here. parents are taking the risk of

putting their kids on buses without parents and try to get them here. >> cokie roberts, obviously, this is what is overlooked in the shrill debates we hear on too many television shows and talk radio shows. a humanitarian crisis. >> the catholic bishop conference here came out saying do not send these children back into horrible violent situation. i do a lot of work with save the children and we have gotten down into the border areas and seen what is going on and the kids who are coming here also have tremendous needs. there is an enormous humanitarian crisis going on right on our border and to have this silly political fight over who is right, who is wrong, you know, the president going to the border. now i think the president should have gone to the border. what was the big deal of not

going to the border? on the other hand, that is not really the point. the point is we have got all of these kids. i mean, could you imagine how terrified you must be to put your 2-year-old on a train by him or herself and send them thousands of miles to this country? it's just -- it's horrifying! and we have really got to be much more realistic about dealing with it. >> steve rattner, taking a closer look at what is driving the surge of immigration. you got charts on this? >> we got charts and put numbers around it wrenching human stories we have just been hearing about and the points that joe and cokie have made. when you look at the numbers, what you find is this immigration surge, i think most people know is not being driven by mexico. immigration from mexico of children has remained roughly flat if you go back to 2009. the changes all come from mexico, el salvador and honduras. we have gone from 15,000 total children arriving here at the

border back in 2011 to 52,000 so far during this year and people think it will get up to about 72,000 before it's over. >> steve, specifically, what is going on in honduras, gat malla and el salvador? >> the next chart you heard in the opening which is violence. if you look at the statistics on the murder rate in these three countries it's really quite remarkable. the red line here is honduras. you can see they have gone from about 3,000 murders per hundred thousand people to 7,000 murders per hundred people. guatemala had a similar increase. >> is this all driven by the drug trade? >> it's driven by drug trade, human trafficking. just gang violence, all kinds of stuff. let me put in this perspective for you. in honduras you had 1 in 14 chance of being murdered in the city of new york, you have a 1

in 25,000 chance of being murdered. and so it must be -- i can't even imagine what it must be like to be in a place like that. >> let's repeat that again. if you live in new york city you have 1 in 25,000 chance of being murdered. if you live in honduras, 1 in 14 chance. that is remarkable. >> as we said earlier it's a refugee krcrisis. it isn't a function of policy or change in the number of border agents available. we have increased the number of border agents dramatically the last eight years and hasn't' made a difference because we have this 2008 law which says the children if they are victims of sex trafficking or crimes or human trafficking or anything like that they have a right to come to the country as refugees.

you can't just stop them at the border. the law says you have to take them and deal with them. >> signed by george w. bush. >> there you go. >> but passed unanimously in the congress. everybody agreed having children in these horrible places with these kind of murder rates was a humanitarian crisis. >> cokie roberts, thank you so much. great to have you on show. up next, an alarming report how there is really no such thing as computer security. a first look at the new issue of "time" magazine when "morning joe" returns. ♪ it's never been easier to find a dentist.

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hey, with us now we got the managing editor of "time" manage nancy gibbs who is here to reveal the new issue. "world war zero." >> it's about a writer taking us inside the marketplace of cyberwar. the more of our lives move online, the more important computer security becomes but the more complex the software becomes and the bugs in our software turn out to be a very valuable commodity. you have hackers good at uncovering bugs and can find they can sell the bugs to the highest bidders for hundreds of thousands of dollars and their clients are from private companies to law enforcement agencies to foreign governments and so it explains what it means that these vulnerability have become something that people are buying and selling and, of course, one result is that all of our secrets are, therefore, that much less secure. >> mike barnicle, also of course, this morning we are getting the news that the chinese government, mike, is actually trying to steal

information from americans that have top secret security clearances with the u.s. government. in fact, they were successful hacking into it. this is a dangerous new world we live in. >> oh, it has danger at every level. the chinese story off air we were talking about and the threat to financial institutions it imposes by chins haese hacken every case. all you have to do, nancy, is stand in line at any store. the starbucks. the swipe of a car in a second your entire financial life and your identification is exposed. >> on china the chief there has called china's theft of intellectual property the worst. a company faced more 15,000

cyberattacks. you have companies that are paying bounties for people can tell them where they are vulnerable. if you're google they paid $2 million last year buying up bugs in chromes so they could fix them and prevent people from exploiting them. in cyberwar there aren't any sgin distinctions and we are vub vulnerable. our government and infrastructure is all vulnerable to people who want to penetrate the software that runs it. >> mayor de blasio, education and teachers come under some criticism. joe klein has a piece on it. give us a little sense he what is doing with bloomberg's program that give teachers more pay. >> when bloomberg was negotiating with the uft, one of the things he got from them was a commitment to increase the number of minutes they were spending in one-on-one time with kids who were falling behind. in de blasio's negotiations, he

has let that go, given it back to the unions. >> that is no longer the case? >> no longer the case. he argued that, well, it wasn't working. well, if something like giving kids who are falling behind one-on-one special attention isn't working, it doesn't mean you eliminate it, joe argues. it means you fix it. his argument really is that if we don't get this right and you know what campbell brown is trying to do and the ruling in california regarding the ten-year laws, if we don't fix this relationship and treat teachers like professionals and pay them correspondingly but hold them accountable correspondingly, we are never going to fix the problems we are facing. >> the teachers have to act like professionals and be treated like professionals and they have a rule book this thick of things they are allowed or not allowed to do. we need to get to a place where the schools can be managed. >> i think that's right. joe has always been tough on this subject about both accountability on both sides, about, you know, how they are paid and in what is expected of

them. of course, the ten-year rules that automatically fire the most recently hired teachers and protect the ones longer serving, regardless of performance, these sort of things are not right given the challenges we are facing in the public schools. >> they really are as we are in the 21st century. no doubt about it and why we are going to be looking so closely at that lawsuit in new york city that campbell brown has brought, following up on what has happened in california. we are looking in that debate and that debate will, obviously, continue for some time ahead. we are looking for new issue of "time" magazine on newsstands. nancy gibbs, thank you so much for being with us. we love having you hear. >> thank you. coming up next, he was a lawyer living in new york. then he fell in love with a swedish girl and moved to sweden to be with her. he also decided to try his hand at stand-up comedy. well, coming up, we got the star on the creator of "welcome to sweden" straight ahead. ♪ when sales rep steve hatfield books at laquinta.com,

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>> it's not a problem for most people. >> now i need to pay taxes owe than money and figure out how to invest that money and now everybody knows i made that money. i think we've had a very good run and now it's time to say good-bye. no hard feelings. >> it actually doesn't really matter to me because the reason i brought you here is to tell you i'm quitting. i'm moving to sweden. >> what, no way. >> it's a big move. it's like, i don't know, sometimes i sit her think am i doing the right thing. it's such a gigantic step in life. what do you think? am i doing the right thing? >> huh? >> wow. >> that's rough. >> that was a scene from the new nbc comedy, "welcome to sweden." and joining us now, one of the st show's stars and executive producer greg poehler. >> hello. >> you know my brother. i thought you were joking because you're a comedy person. >> no. all americans that live in

sweden know each other so we're like best friends. >> how many of you are there? >> there's four of us. we hang out and watch baseball together. >> oh, my goodness. >> comedy club is a phone booth in sweden. >> i love it. mark and natalia are like the greatest, i think, sort of representatives -- >> yeah, people love them there. they're doing such a good job. yeah, they're great. >> so why -- because you pointed out sweden is not the funniest place in the world. it's like beautiful, people are beautiful, people are happy. where are you going to find humor in that? >> i think swedes have a drier sense of humor, they have a dark, depressing view of comedy. >> really? >> so we're trying to kind of play off that a bit i think with the show. >> what's the concept here? >> the concept is straight out of my life. i have an american living in sweden, so it's basically a fish out of water story about a guy who moves for love. people always talk about i would give up everything to be with this person, but then what

happens when you do? and this show is really day one of my character, bruce, having given up everything for this woman and, you know, the hilarity that ensues. >> so this is on tonight. >> it's on tonight, yeah. 9:00. >> on nbc. >> tell your friends, tell all your swedish friends, tell all your friends that want to travel to europe. now they don't have to, we're bringing it to them. >> i can't wait. >> what's the story line. you pursue your wife, you go to sweden, you're living in sweden but you actually do. so what's the thread? what happens as we move along? >> the show is very much a love story. it's a romantic comedy and the entire first season is really about whether this couple will make it and whether their love will survive their culture clash and whether my character will stay because he's being pulled back home through his various american celebrity clients, including my sister who is playing herself, a horrible version of herself. >> why did they actually shoot this in sweden?

isn't it more typical or hollywood, for tv to find some set in the back lot or some neighborhood that looks like sweden? >> we made it for swedish tv first. that's mainly why. >> smart. >> pretty inauthentic to have a show called "welcome to sweden" and have it in a lot in burbank. >> what does will ferrell do in the show? >> he plays himself as well. >> is he one of your clients? >> he is one of my clients. he has a swedish wife in real life, so he was -- he goes to sweden every summer, and sow basically just kind of -- >> came to him. >> knocked on his door and asked if he could do something and he thought it was very local swedish. now i'm sure he's like the show is on nbc? i did not get paid enough. >> you have three kids? >> i have three kids. >> oh, my god. well, i can't wait to watch. i'm going to watch a show during the week at the time that it's on. >> you are? >> that's going to be new. >> past your bedtime. >> maybe we can get your brother to make an appearance.

>> natalia, too. >> let's set that up. are you shooting in the summer. >> are we really setting this up? >> yes, actually we are. that's what i do. >> we'll talk. have their agents talk to my agents. >> oh, my god, your people, my people, fine. it's a blow off. you can check out "welcome to sweden" tonight at 9:00 eastern on nbc. greg poehler, congratulations, and thank you so much. up next, john boehner responds to sarah palin's call for him to impeach the president and not sue him. plus, jesse ventura in court this week suing a navy s.e.a.l. who has passed away so we'll explain why. and donald sterling calls his estranged wife a pig just one day after saying she was beautiful and the only person he trusts. >> a good sense of humor. >> the latest twists and turns as the courtroom battle over the l.a. clippers continues. we'll be right back. i make a lot of purchases for my business.

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it's 8:00 a.m. on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast as you take a live look at new york city. with us on set, we have mike barnicle, harold ford, jr., and steve rattner right here in new york, and in washington jeremy peters. we'll start with new report on the front page of the "new york times," a new report says chinese hackers targeted a u.s. government data bank that stores personal information of thousands of americans applying for top secret security clearance. the information belonged to the

office of personnel management. federal authorities realized they were hacked this past march and quickly moved to block the digital attacks. it's still unclear how the files were accessed, but one official says the attack was traced back to china. there has been no confirmation that the chinese government was involved in the hack, but we'll be following this and we will keep you updated. moving on now, a clear divide is emerging in the republican party amid calls to impeach president obama. one person who isn't on board with this, house speaker john boehner. he doesn't want anything to do with sarah palin's push to sack the president over immigration and his use of executive actions. boehner believes the stronger play is taking the white house to court. luke russert asked the house speaker about it, and he had a very simple response. >> speaker boehner, former vp candidate sarah palin called your movement to bring a lawsuit against the president bringing a law south to a gun fight that

actually president obama should be impeached. what's your response to governor palin -- >> i disagree. >> what about the folks in your conference talking about impeachment? >> i disagree. >> meanwhile, a new poll finds a majority of americans would prefer sarah palin to speak out less on political issues. >> let's have a round of applause for that. >> can we scroll that back? i want to read it again. >> hammer it home, okay? >> i will. but i'm not -- there's no strain, no bad tone in my voice, i'm just reading it straight because this is the news. a new poll finds a majority of americans would prefer sarah palin to speak out less on political issues. 54% say they have heard enough from the former vice presidential candidate. could we just do that one more time, please? >> why? >> that includes nearly -- >> hammer it home. >> that includes nearly two-thirds of democrats. a majority of independents and

close to 4 in 10 republicans. see, that's important because for some reason -- >> but that says it puts her ahead of jesse jackson. >> it puts her ahead of jesse jackson and former vice president dick cheney and former vice president al gore and newt gingrich and former president bill clinton as well. what? okay. this is important actually because she does draw very, very large crowds and a lot of politicians bring her in to sort of back them up when they're running for office. >> raise money. >> raise money. >> they bring her in during the primaries if you're trying to activate that part of the core of the republican party, she may still have some -- the number said 4 out of 10 republicans don't want to hear from her. >> joe, when she's brought in for primaries, isn't the math done that ultimately she's not helpful or what's going on here? what do you make of this poll? i know we were being a little jovial, but it's kind of important. >> well, less and less people

are bringing her in to primaries. she had a great run in 2010. she actually -- you can say she had a big role in helping a lot of people like nikki haley in south carolina get elected in 2010, but that's changed. 2014 is completely different. a lot of this is again just to grab headlines and we shouldn't give her any more headlines. what's next? >> i love that. >> that's true. >> what's next. >> i love it. former minnesota governor jesse ventura is in court this week. >> oh, my lord. >> you wouldn't believe this. this is in "the washington post" i believe this morning, over a defamation case involving allegations of an altercation between him and a navy s.e.a.l. the navy s.e.a.l. chris kyle, who died in 2013, wrote in a book that he punched out an unnamed celebrity at a bar who he identified as mr. scuff face. according to kyle, the celebrity spoke negatively of special forces accusing them of murdering women and children. ventura was eventually

identified as the slegecelebrit he's now suing kyle's wid ow fo defamation. he died last year shot to death on a gun range. a movie adaptation of the book is reportedly on its way with bradley cooper playing the role of chris kyle. what a strange story. joe? >> i mean, mike barnicle, talk about sad, jesse ventura is a sad figure in so many ways, but to sue a dead navy s.e.a.l. hero over something that was written in a book where he's not even identified is just pathetic. it's sad. he needs to go away, too. >> the root of it, joe, is apparently a bunch of s.e.a.l.s, including the late navy s.e.a.l. shot to death in texas, they're in a bar in coronado,

california, and allegedly according to the book, and you're right, jesse ventura was not named, but he's there and he speaks disparaging of a couple navy s.e.a.l.s and a couple incidents involving the s.e.a.l.s and he ends up on the floor, and now he's suing and he's continued the lawsuit despite the death of the navy s.e.a.l. in question who wrote the book. >> all right. >> sad. >> president obama spending a second day in texas, ground zero for america's spiraling immigration situation. yesterday he pushed back on criticism that he was coming all the way to the state for fund-raisers and meetings with local leaders without a stop at the border itself. and he laid inaction at the feet of congress. >> but what i emphasized to the governor was the problem here is not a major disagreement around the actions that could be helpful in dealing with the problem. the challenge is, is congress

prepared to act to put the resources in place to get this done? there's nothing that is taking place down there that i am not intimately aware of and briefed on. this isn't theater. this is a problem. i'm not interested in photo-ops. i'm interested in solving a problem. >> a day before he was in colorado playing pool and drinking beer at an event with governor john hickenlooper. the optics of the event didn't sit well with many. >> photo-op, theater. >> interesting. including some of his own party. you know -- well, we'll talk about it. yesterday the president met with one of his harshest critics, governor rick perry. theater, guys. the two shook hands on the tarmac in dallas and flew together in marine one. the president called it constructive, but there's no indication the meeting will help break a log jam to pass the

president's $3.7 billion emergency plan. in an interview slated to air on the "today" show this morning, perry says if the president is serious about fixing the problem, he'll send in the national guard. >> the president can send a message without even going to congress. he can pick up the phone to the dod and have 1,000 national guard troops temporarily assigned to the border, and the message gets send to central america very quickly. >> okay. so i do think the border issue and whether or not he should go to the border is so absolutely blown out of proportion compared to the issue itself, joe, that it's taken the conversation to a ridiculous direction. the issue is what to do with the problem at the border, and don't you think the president addressed that by going to meet with governor perry, other people and then speaking to the american people? >> i suppose it's ridiculous if you think it's ridiculous that presidents show up in places of national crises. a lot of people in katrina

wouldn't have thought it was ridiculous if george w. bush had actually showed up in new orleans earlier and had his feet on the ground. no, there's no substitution, and the congressman that represents this area knows there's no substitute to having a president of the united states come into your district. i'm stating the obvious here, and, you know, the president does theater every day, so it's just -- there's just some theater he wants to do and some theater he doesn't want to do, and for some reason he doesn't want to do this theater at all. jeremy peters, this is an issue, obviously, that's held up in congress. what's the latest? >> well, not a whole lot actually. the republicans and democrats are only in the very early preliminary stages of discussing how they move forward on this. i think it's going to be a very messy process. what you have in essence when you look at it is republicans not in all that much of disagreement with obama on the fundamental issue over

deportation. they both would like to see the process of deportation sped along here with these unaccompanied children at the border. the question is how do you get there? and you're hearing cries on the right already that, you know, this is going to be another blank check to the president, and i wonder what happens when you kind of fuse that tea party austerity message with a lot of this anti-immigrant hostility and how complicated it becomes for republicans to approve this. and, of course, ultimately you need the house to sign off on this. the other interesting thing here is how this issue has really kind of scrambled republican, democrat, liberal, conservative alignments because there are a lot on the left who think that what the president has asked for in this authority to deport these kids goes too far. you have dianne feinstein, dick durbin, the number two senate democrat, who told me yesterday that we need to be very careful

about where we're sending these kids. >> the president has not shied away from photo-ops in the past. earlier this year he visited california in the middle of a historic draught to talk about federal relief aid and climate change. back in -- >> that's a good photo-op. >> -- in 2009 he hosted professor henry louis gates for the so-called beer summit after the professor's arrest in his own home. a year later he visited the gulf coast in the wake of the bp oil spill handling tar balls on the beach. and in 2011 he went within sight of mexico while pushing immigration reform. >> we're here at the border tod today, everybody recognizes the system's broken. the question is will we finally summon the political will to do something about it? >> yes, we will! >> and that's why we're here at the border today. i suspect there's still going to

be some who are trying to move the goalposts on us one more time. you know, they said we needed to triple the border patrol. well, now they're going to say we need to quadruple the border patrol or they'll want a higher fence. maybe they'll need a moat. maybe they want alligators in the moat. they'll never be satisfied. and i understand that. that's politics. but the truth is the measures we've put in place are getting results. >> meanwhile, glenn beck is angering many of his own followers after announcing he will be traveling to the border with tractor-trailers full of food, water, teddy bears, and soccer balls for undocumented children coming across the border. here is what he said on the show yesterday. >> this is a crisis, and anyone,

left or right, seeking political gain at the expense of these desperate, vulnerable, poor, and suffering people are reprehensible. the fundamental transformation of america happens the minute you go cold inside, so may i suggest we help the children. through no fault of their own, they are caught in political cross fire, and while we continue to put pressure on washington and change its course of lawlessness, we must also help. it is not an either/or. it is both. we have to be active in the political game, and we must open our heart. >> backlash from conservatives on twitter and social media was swift. beck admitted he has never, quote, taken a position more deadly to my career than this. i'm surprised there's backlash to bringing toys to kids, joe, but i guess that's what happens. >> a lot of people are saying

that he's actually playing into barack obama's hands, that he's playing by obama's handbook. he's actually playing by another person's handbook, jesus' handbook. i mean, this is -- jesus was very clear. he said the people that are blessed are those that understand i was hungry, and you fed me. i was thirsty, and you gave me something to drink. i needed clothing, and you gave me clothes. what glenn beck is doing is the most christ-like thing anybody can do, and so for a lot of people on the right who may call themselves christians, to attack gl glenn beck for doing exactly what jesus says a christian has to do, which is to be the good samaritan. i think the fact he's sending down tractor-trailer loads of food and clothes and toys and soccer balls to these poor

children despite the fact he opposes the type of immigration reform the president is pushing right now makes it an even more noble gesture. i mean, harold ford, i saw your political commercials. i know that you hung out in the church a lot in pews. you know -- >> but, joe, i think -- >> it makes him like a good samaritan for doing this despite the fact he's on the other side on the political issue. >> i give him -- salute him for doing it but i think it also exposes a bit hick pock hypocri the side of those who claim morality and their faith and perhaps christianity guides them in many ways and yet one of their leaders in this movement, glenn beck, not only takes a courageous stand but the right stand in how to treat these children and he garners and attracts criticism from those who proclaim or suggest that they believe in him because of

his values, yet when he makes a decision based on those values, he's criticized roundly and loudly for it, which is unfortunate. >> but doesn't this, mike, say something about the issue itself and those on the right who are digging in about it? >> you know, these last five minutes, you know, the president showing the photo-op stuff, the president is a walking photo-op. every time he comes out of the rose garden, i mean we, the media, are all over him, taking pictures, shouting questions. so let's put that issue to the side about him going to the border. >> he should go to the border you think? >> yes, but he's not going to the border, that's fine. let's put glenn beck aside. the biggest issue we've been talking about here or not talking about for the past five minutes is we have a humanitarian crisis on the borders of the united states of america, our country. we're capable of handling that crisis, but year not handling that crisis. jeremy peters just indicated according to his reporting the two sides are fairly close together but will probably never

come together. what are we? what are we doing here? >> i think mike is on to exactly the right point. obama, glenn beck, fine, we can talk about all that, but the issue is we have these children pouring across the border. >> yeah. >> and the problem, of course, when you get down to the legalities of it is we passed a law in 2008 virtually unanimously in congress to say that children who are victims of various crimes had a right to come to the u.s. and go through a due process and then perhaps stay here, perhaps be sent back. and that's what the law is. and so you have john boehner suing the president for not obeying the law. now he's obeying the law, and if you want the law changed, you have to get congress to do it. so congress has to come together and decide what they want. then the question is, well, what do you want? do you really want to send these children back to a place where the violence is rampant and where their chances of being killed or abused is very high or do you want to take them in effectively as refugees. it's really no different than what's going on in the middle east in a way. people fleeing from a place

where they can't really live to come to a place where they can live. it's very different from the mexican immigration situation. so i think what -- the think the reason why obama is little bit sort -- if you watched johnson on "meet the press" on sunday where he wouldn't answer the question, they don't really know. they're trying to triangulate through this issue where the democrats on the left want us to be humanitarians and deal with these children, but the public mood is keep them the hell out of here. >> right. >> and neither obama or the congress have come to terms with what it is they want to do. still ahead, he was just ranked the top defensive player by the nfl network. coming up with a season of a league high eight interceptions, it's no question why. richard sherman joins us in a little bit and we explain why he brought his mom. plus, the federal reserve sets an end date for its stimulus program. a positive sign for the economic recovery if you want to call it that. we'll break down how that decision impacts you in "business before the bell," but

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time now to take a look at the morning papers. the detroit free press, a new expert appraisal estimates the detroit institute of arts collection could be worth more than $4.5 billion. the collection includes work by michelangelo, rembrandt, and van gogh, and now creditors are demanding it gets sold to help cover the cost of the city's debt, but art experts say the collection would not sell for that price at an auction. joe? >> and from our parade of papers, the times picayune, the former mayor of new orleans, the mayor during hurricane katrina is heading to federal prison for

a long time. ray nagin was slapped with a ten-year sentence for accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars of bribes. the punishment is shorter than what he could have faced. the ex-public official who rose to prominence during hurricane katrina maintains his innocence. "the los angeles times," theatrics continued yesterday as donald sterling appeared in court for his second day of testimony. sterling denounced his wife, even calling her a pig, after the session ended. he also promised a lifetime of lawsuits against the nba saying, quote, make no mistake today, i will never, ever sell this team, and until i die, i will be suing the nba for this terrible violation under antitrust. if the sale isn't completed by september 15th, the league said it could seize the team and put it up for auction. good lord. >> and this one "the times

dispatch," senator mark warner wants the government to investigate facebook following its controversial experiment to study users without their consent. in 2012 the news feeds of nearly 700,000 users were manipulated by facebook to see if it led to more positive or negative posts. the virginia lawmaker says he isn't sure if the study is appropriate, but the response by users warrants a discussion about possible oversight of behavioral studies on social media websites. >> you know, we kind of glossed over this story -- >> it was such a weird story. >> i noticed it over vacation. >> it's strange. >> yeah, but it's important. >> it's really important. and you wonder what else they're doing, number one. they call it a small study, and i believe it was sheryl sandberg who made some comments about it when she was visiting india and kind of said it was very small and didn't really apologize. it was tepid.

>> it was communicated badly. >> actually it looks like you might have spied on your users in a way that's inappropriate and perhaps invasive. is that another way of looking at it? >> that's another way of looking at it. >> yeah. and that's something you might want to know as a facebook users because people really pour their lives into this and all their personal information is at stake. i was thinking about it also along with the google story with the lawsuit abroad over the right to be forgotten. >> that's a more complicated question. >> it's very complicated. but it's like we actually did a segment on the google story, but we never talked about this facebook story. we should do it. we should look into it. let's move on now to "the washington post," ed ward snowden is looking to stay put in russia after his temporary asylum expires at the end of the month. the former nsa contractor who leaked a huge collection of classified information has been living in that country since june of last year. he's wanted by the u.s. government on espionage charges. snowden claims he's a

whistle-blower. russia's federal immigration service is not commenting on the application. >> the story you've been talking about all day from "the new york daily news," troubled pop star justin bieber pled no contest to vandalism charges after egging a neighbor's house earlier this year. how old is this guy? he was placed on two years probation. he has to complete an anger management program, pay an $80,000 fine, and stop acting like he's in sixth grade. >> oh, my lord. >> earlier this year bieber was arrested for allegedly driving under the influence and resisting arrest. less than a week after that incident, he was arrested in canada for assaulting a limo driver. let's bring in a guy who is known far and wide across washington, d.c., for egging his limo drivers, this is -- >> no, no, he tps houses in

mclean, virginia. >> tps. let's bring in the president and ceo of politico and capital new york, jim vandehei. jim, my god, todd akin is taking it all back. the missouri republican now is returning to the spotlight. he's got a new book out this week. it says he's really sorry for apologizing about his controversial rape comments. >> please don't do that, todd. >> taking my comments in order, when a woman claims to have been raped, the police determine if evidence supports the legal definition of rape. is it a legitimate claim of rape or an excuse to avoid an unwanted pregnancy? he also says my comment about a woman agencies body shutting the pregnancy down was directed to the impact of stress of fertilization. i can't even read any more of this crap. seriously. >> please stop. >> it's a theme of your show today, sterling, bieber, palin, people you want out of the

national stage. >> jesse ventura. can they all no got on a boat and like row to -- row away somewhere, far, far away. but todd akin, he's coming back. >> he's coming back. he's got the book out, as you said. he basically unapologizes for his comments about quote, unquote, legitimate rape and arguing that the woman's body can just shut itself down while being raped to prevent pregnancy. i doubt many people are going to want to make this their summer reading. surprisingly mike huckabee, who wants to run, wrote the forward for the darn book. >> mike huckabee wrote a forward for the book? >> what? >> he did, for the book, which i assume won't be popular with some folks. remember, he's one of the few people who was defending akin and saying technically his argument was not inaccurate. obviously that comment, his apology, by the way, that he's reversing was the last thing people heard from him as he got out of a race that he should have won. we talk about it on the show all

the time, a race he should have won. >> what's mike huckabee up to? why is mike huckabee doing things like this? he has some zany comments here and there, some things that don't sound like mike huckabee from 2008, a guy who knows exactly what he's doing. is this guy dialing it up to try to win a certain fringe of very -- well, i will just say, is he planning ahead to 2016? >> there's no doubt that he wants to be one of the people in the mix. i doubt he'll run at the end of the day. i think he's made too many moves as far as buying houses and writing a forward for this book to actually do it, but it's not just a fringe. i would say the evangelical base of the party is still a serious part of the republican party, and mike huckabee, if you look at polls he still gets 10% because of it. >> i don't know a lot of evangelical voters who didn't roll their eyes when todd akin spoke and didn't say, oh, my god, what's wrong with you, man?

keep your mouth shut. he does not represent the evangelical wing of the party. they're crock poack pots, go aw. >> does huckabee mention the libido comments and make a connection? >> i don't know if he talks about it in the forward of the book. you talked about glenn beck, there is this part of the party, and beck is making a different move, but huckabee still is if you take the six people who if they ran could get 10% of the vote in a primary, huckabee is one of the six people. so he does have a presence inside the party. obviously the todd akin comment doesn't represent mainstream christian theology or even the mainstream christian component of the republican coalition, but it's also not so exotic that there aren't christians, that there aren't conservative that is would defend at least in private what akin is saying and mike huckabee in public saying it. by writing the forward of the book you're endorsing the guy.

>> jim, thank you very much. still ahead, the 2014 prime time emmy nominations will be announced. we'll tell you which shows and stars will be up for the big award. also, a look at the big stories that will be driving the day on wall street. brian sullivan joins us here on set. and then nfl superstar richard sherman and his mom here on the set of "morning joe." stay with us. my mother made the best toffee in the world. it's delicious. so now we've turned her toffee into a business. my goal was to take an idea and make it happen. i'm janet long and i formed my toffee company through legalzoom. i never really thought i would make money doing what i love. we created legalzoom to help people start their business and launch their dreams. go to legalzoom.com today and make your business dream a reality.

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this is going to be quick. business before the bell now with cnbc's brian sullivan. brian, what you got? >> no need for that. quick, no need for that at all. here we go. unemployment claims, weekly jobless claims decreased in line with what we've been seeing. everybody is on pins and needles given that first quarter gdp area. areo got the smackdown from the supreme court may have found a new lease in life courtesy of the supreme court. they said you have to be a cable company. apparently they're going to go after a license to become effectively a cable company. the supreme court decision that killed it may have actually

saved it. >> okay. >> very good. >> kind of an interesting twist. >> never count out barry diller. >> i'm just wondering how could that have saved them? >> basically the idea is that if they're like a cable company, joe, they need to have a license. they did not and therefore they got smacked down by the supreme court, but in that opening now according to published reports this morning, they plan to potentially seek that license, thus that would make them a cable company. basically it's like if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then they're going to become a duck effectively and seek a license to become a cable operator in their own way, which would then, according to the supreme court allow them to live because it provides them the legal basis to broadcast. >> stay with us. he's the self-proclaimed best corner in the nfl and he's here with us on set and we'll see if his mother agrees. richard sherman and his mom, beverly, join us next on "morning joe."

all right. we didn't have the sound bite? okay. we've got richard sherman with us here so why don't we do that because this is kind of exciting. my daughter was like changed her work days to come to work today to meet richard sherman and his mother, beverly. they're the new faces of campbell's iconic mama's boy ads and i'm going to start with the purse. >> plooease start with the purs. >> when she walked in, you literally went crazy. >> i want to be a soup mom. >> it's adorable.

i love it. >> look. >> thank you, campbell's and the team for making that for me. >> i love it. and your son, right, we'll talk about him at some point. but you're kind of cool. >> he's the reason. >> are you a soup mom? >> i'm a soup mom, officially a soup mom. >> those commercials that are hysterical. >> yeah. >> tell us about being a mom of this guy and what he was like growing up and how he became who he was. what was your part in it all? >> well, my part in it all was pushing out this 8 pound, 9 ounce -- >> yes, that part. >> i lost all that weight. >> raising him. you described him in the past as confident and strong willed. is that possible? >> that is absolutely. >> and where did he get that, beverly? >> i'd say a little bit of both mom and dad, but he's pretty much his own self person, and

he, you know, has his own personality and, you know, he's very strong willed. >> what about the degree of difficulty in raising richard or any other young person in compton and making sure, you know, you just make sure they're safe. you know, you can't watch them 24 hours a day. you want them to get a great education. he's accomplished all of that, but the degree of difficulty and worry as a mom. >> yeah. i think worrying as a mom, you know, you never get passed that. you know, no matter how old they are. but raising him in -- we lived in also los angeles as well, you know. it was a little bit of a difficult task but not too bad. i mean, you know, there's challenges everywhere you go, and keeping him focused, keeping him -- all my kids, keeping them focused in school. you know, that's a big part. education is huge. and, you know, we mainly stressed that a lot, and

discipline. >> stanford is not a bad school except for their tree. i still don't understand the tree thing, richard. i'm from the cnbc side so i'm going to ask you obviously this deal with campbell's, i'm sure it's lucrative for you and your mom and your family. you're an incredibly wealthy guy now. how do you manage your money? what is sherman incorporated like? what's your day to day? >> it's a lot of conversations with your financial advisers, you know, understanding the way to market -- understanding bonds and muni bonds and the way they work, dividends, and when your dividends are getting paid. it's a lot to educate yourself on, financial literacy isn't something they preach in the inner city as much as they probably should, and so you have to kind of learn as you go and manage it as you go. but i have made my fair share off the field -- >> you have done fine, richard. >> been able to work with that. so it's been a fun ride. >> talk a little bit about what

we were talking about off the air, what it's like playing for pete carroll? you watch these nfl games and you listen to the talk about nfl teams, and you think that the nfl was like a nuclear power. i mean, everything is so rigid and so important and so intense. pete carroll is like, hey, have a popsicle after the game, like a pop warner coach. what is it like playing for him? >> it's a blast. it's a blast. he makes the game really fun. he allows guys to play and be free out there. like you said, he makes it a lot less serious than a lot of other teams. he does everything he can to engage with his players, to make sure that everybody is being accountable, but also having a great time, man, because when you're having a great time, it's easier to play the game. you have a lot more success than you would when you're getting, i don't know, that tough coach, that on your back all the time, you know, hard-nosed coach, and pete isn't like that. he's positive, positive, and he's big into psychology, which is really cool. >> you're clearly a vocal,

outgoing guy. could you see your personality existing, thriving, flourishing under some other nfl coaches the way it has clearly flourished under pete carroll? >> to tell you the truth, i don't know. i don't think so because pete is such a fun-loving coach. you know, i haven't had many coaches like that where it's just, you know, go out there and have a blast playing ball like you did when you were a kid, and obviously there's a serious aspect of doing your job and being accountable and being disciplined within the technique, but he does a great job taking -- you know -- >> richard, he's butbuddies wit belichick. he wants to walk down the street in boston again. >> and i would refrain from asking you this, richard, from putting ouen the spot, but he played for jim harbaugh at stanford. what's up with that dude to jim harbaugh? >> they're opposites in that regard.

>> yeah. >> all right. well, since you're doing the mama's boy campaign, does that make you a mama's boy and what is the definition of a mama's boy? >> i think my brother is a little bit more of a mama's boy than i am. >> like how much? what can you tell us about him? >> you're going for the dirt. >> yes, i am. >> i didn't know -- i think a mama's boy is somebody who just -- everybody is a mama's boy, that's where you come from, you know. kids watching this story for another day. she does a great job. she works really hard. she takes you to every practice. she wipes your nose. she wipes the stuff off your face with whatever he puts on the napkin. >> it's nice to say thank you, isn't it? >> it's nice to appreciate them and there are so many different mothers out there that sometimes have to raise kids on their own and do a great job and work really, really, really, really hard just to show their kids

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look at this, this year's emmy nominees were just announced, and we have them. for drama series, "breaking bad," of course. ""downton abbey"" "game of thoens, mad men, true detective. >> lock for "true detective." >> really? what is that? >> don't say that. just say it's great. >> no, no, no, i hate tv for the most part. it is unbelievable. >> comedy series, orange is the new black. >> comedy? >> it's pretty funny but okay. modern family, totally agree with that. big bang theory. and louis. >> and veep. come on. >> veep is close but louis -- >> veep is amazing. >> you are going for veep because you had that guy tim simons on the show. >> because of the relationship

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