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harris-perry. french language nerds will understand the meaning of the french word refoulement, the act of pushing back or turning someone away, but to the community of nations, subject to international refugee law, it needs to translation because it is the fundamental principle of that law. it essentially refers to a moral obligation of a state. when the vulnerable community crosses its borders running for their lives. not to force those people to go back when returning home would endanger their freedom or their lives. the principle was enshrined in the convention relating to the status of refugees, adopted by the international community to respond to millions of jews and other peoples who were uprooted and displaced after the atrocities of world war ii. the treaty, which has sense become known as the wall behind which refugees can shelter set international standards for the treatment of displaced people. laid out the responsibilities of

nations who take them in and it establishes an internationally recognized definition for who exactly qualifies to be understood as a refugee. the convention's definition which has been adopted into the language of the u.s.'s own law defines a reewe gee as any person who owing to bell founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership, or political opinion is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or owing to such fear is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country. the united states wasn't the signatory to that original treaty, but in 1968, after the scope was expanded from postworld war ii to include other people displaced in growing conflicts around the world, the united states signed on. in the more than six decades since the world reached that consensus. the population around the world has only become more crowded. the reason for leaving more complex and the needs of the

countries trying to help them more challenging, but one thing remained the same. when people are in danger, they flee. and when they come to us seeking security, we're not meant to send them back. the united states has long been a world leader in upholding that principle and its moral obligations by conflicts abroad. john kerry reck nieszed that leadership as fundamentally american, at last year's commemoration of world refugee day. >> today is just the 12th official world refugee day, but i'm proud to say that in the united states of america, our country has had a tradition of welcoming the huddled masses yearning to breathe free. and it runs deep in our roots. i think it's safe to say it's part of our dna as americans, and we're proud of that. >> and when it comes to outreach to global refugees, we've backed up that pride with policy. the united states is a largest

donor to humanitarian relief worldwide. last year along the u.s. donated in $5 billion in aid which helped provide, food, safety, shelter, and medical treatment and to sport neighboring countries who were hosting them. and more refugees are resettled in the united states than in any other country since 1975, more than three million from all over the world have been welcomed to a new home on u.s. soil. this year, they've allocated towards funding for refugee resettlement. the american support is increasing as the world faces a crisis of the united nations called the most urgent story of our time. the 51 million people worldwide who have been forced by civil war to leave their homes. it's the highest force displacement of population since world war ii, and recently, the state department announced nkdss in humanitarian support for the war-torn regions currently driving the refugee crisis. more than $2 billion since the beginning of the syrian conflict

to support the 4.7 million people displaced inside syria, 2.8 displaced in the region and the neighboring countries hosting them. nearly 118 million pledge the central african republic to hope more than half of the car's population in desperate need of humanitarian help. people caught in the conflict both inside south sudan and for the 220,000 south refugees who have fled to ethiopia. and more than 136 million this year adding to a total of more than one billion since 2010 in iraq. nearly one million internally displaced people join another million who remain displaced from the iraq war. those billions in humanitarian, all fueled by that fundamental belief that when displaced and endangered people need our support, we give it. when they arrive at the borders of neighboring nations, many under developed countries with few resources, we urge them not to turn them away.

but those beneficiaries of our quickness to open our hearts and our wallets are not knocking at someone else's door. this week, it's clear that lately american policy and response to those seeking safety on our own front porch is not so fast. this week, president obama asked congress to approve $3.7 billion to respond to the summer of the 52,000 immigrant children crossing the southern border of the united states. the funds would go towards increasing border security, caring for the children while they're here, and efforts to repatriot and reintegrate for those sent home. part would be legal services and immigration judges to hear their cases. under a 2008 law, signed by george w. bush, unaccompanied children who reach the united states from a non-neighboring country are entitled to legal protections and a hearing before a judge to determine if they have legal grounds to stay in the country. and most of the children who've crossed the border come from

honduras, guatemala, or el salvador. they are eligible for the legal process, but on monday, the white house say that most of the children will not qualify for humanitarian relief. and will not have a legal basis to remain in the country. a claim that president reiterated during his visit to texas wednesday. >> their parents need to know that this is an incredibly dangerous situation. and it is unlikely that their children will be able to stay. >> that's cold comfort to the parents who already know that incredibly danls situation is why their children left in the first place. a widely cited survey of 404 unaccompanied minors found that no less than 58% of the children were forcibly displaced because they suffered or faced harms that indicated a potential or actual need for international protection, and on wednesday, the new york times described the extent of those harms in gruesome detail.

children tortured, beaten, shot, and killed in a surge of gang violence that the times concluded is a major factor driving the recent wave of migration of central american children to the united states. it's what has prompted the u.n. to push the tous recognize the children -- u.s. to recognize the children as we recognize in others in search of security in a foreign land as refugees. the u.n.'s designation would have no legal weight in the united states, but the organization is hoping it would pressure the u.s. into a course correction at home that toward that fundamental principle on which our country has long led abroad, if you come fleeing persecution, we will honor our moral obligation not to send you back. joining me today at the table, megan mcken in a, communications and advocacy director for k.i.n.d. the leading organization for the protection of unaccompanied children who enter the u.s. immigration system alone. and juan who is president and

general council for the organization be no justice. joining us from san diego is lindsey jenkins, protection officer for the united nations high commissioner for refugees. nice to have you that is all morning. >> thank you, melissa. >> lindsey, what is the official definition of refugee in terms of international worlds? do these young people meet that standard? >> thank you, melissa. and thank you for having us this morning and having this important discussion. first, let me take a step back, u.n.h.c.r., it's our responsibility to work with governments around the world right now to protect around 12 million refugees in and around the world. and it's important obligation to understand in context of forced displacement why people are leaving, why they are fleeing, and that's exactly what we did here in the situation. we went, we met with the children, we interviewed the children, we heard their stories, and from what we can tell, children are fleeing central america for complex rake of reasons.

and those who are fleeing very serious harm our position, unhcr's position to the united states is the same to any government to hear thee children's stories. to listen to them, to then make a determination on whether or not these children are in need of protection. if they are in need of protection to give them that protection from the violence that they are fleeing. >> lindsey, i appreciate what you're saying here is each obviously each young person will be coming with their own story, part of the question is making sure that those individual stories are heard, but it's also clear that the u.n. has a position in general on what's going on here. the associated press reported that officials with the u.n. high commissioner for refugees said they hope a regional agreement on designating central american migrants of refugees begins to be discussed such as a resolution, but the agency says, the u.s. and mexico should recognize that this is a refugee

situation. >> unhcr has taken the position, as we have everywhere in the world that individuals absolutely have to have their stories heard. and that is, that is fundamentally clear with children. again, children are being displaced out of honduras, el salvador, into mexico, into the united states, and into other areas in the region. and this is something that we have the regional view on and we understanded that many countries in the region are receiving, are receiving these children. are receive z these families, but our main message, and this is fundamentally clear, this is rooted in the 1951 convention, the definition of a refugee is that each individual, each each individual child needs to have their case heard by a highly trained professional, but u.s. officer to really understand the reason why is that child fled, and if that child needs protection. then she should be given than protection if she doesn't need that protection, then she should

be treated humanely, returned in a humane way and given the opportunity to reintegrate into her country in a way that provides her the protection she needs so she doesn't have to flee again. >> lindsey, that's useful, hold for a moment, this notion of hearing the stories of children, i think you know sounds lovely and it sounds like something of course all americans would support, but what are we're talking about hearing the stories, within the context of a legal proceedings that impractices the question of -- impacts whether or not they'll be going into situations of danger of or not talk to me about whether these young people will have attorneys, adults who are english-speaking that can move them through the pros, what are the barriers? >> exactly, thank you. it's a very good question. and i would rereiterate that we would say not all children, it's a mixed flow. they're not all refugees, but every single one should have a full and fair hearing of their claim. they are all in deportation proceedings. none are getting a free ride.

but part of the problem with our current process, and it's only kpas rated by what's going on now is that none of the children are guaranteed an attorney. so the situation has been that more than half of these unaccompanied children have not had attorneys in their deportation proceedings. >> we just had a conversation about this on the show about the fact that i don't think folks recognize that there's not, gidon doesn't expend to civil proceedings like this. and so new york now has a situation where folks facing the immigration system, these are not young people covered under that. >> there is no guarantee of an attorney. and these are children who are can be as young as toddlers, it doesn't matter the age. in the integration system, the children are not guaranteed attorneys. . they have to find their own attorney, pay for their own attorney unless they can find one through k.i.n.d. or others who provide pro bono attorneys. >> i just want to ask, because

part of what happens as i listen to lindsey talk about the position of the u.n. or even talk about the position of k.i.n.d. keep feeling like the u.s. discourse is though we are not one of the nations of the world with the same responsibilities. as though we are set apart and that this is an immigration issue, rather than a refugee crisis. >> that's clear. that's clear for the message we're hearing recently flt white house, it's even clear in the president's comments recently. we are talking about a refugee crisis, migration of individuals who are fear persecution at home, and we're talking about what it means for our borders, but at the same time, we have to talk about it in the context of policy that's gone on for so many years, and u.s. foreign policy that dictates what happens in the countries. >> that's exactly where i want to come when we come back. who isn't getting it together? lindsey, thank you for being with us. we have no time, but i wanted to ask this, is migration recognized as a human right? do people have a right to move

across borders? >> there are certain cases where, you know, there are certain international treaties and conventions that recognize fundamental human rights, fundamental rights, and fundamentally, if you are fleeing persecution, if you fear, if your country cannot protect you from persecution, from torture, from severe harm, then you do have a right to leave your country and seek safe haven elsewhere. that is exactly what, what unhcr's mandate is to do is to make sure that that happens. the united states has traditionally been and for decades has been a leader in this. and it is a core principle of international human rights and refugee law and the u.s., we are confident that the u.s. will continue to respect that and really meaningfully respect that and promote that in the region. >> thank you for joining us, stay there, we have a lot more when we come back. including the reaction from a border state senator whose no stranger to the difficult issue. yes, john mccain's solution is next.

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they can't stay. they cannot stay. if they believe they are victims of persecution, go to our consulate, go to our embassy. but we cannot, we cannot have this unlimited flow of individuals -- >> that was senator john mccain on wednesday speaking about the immigrant children or rather the migrant children crossing the u.s. board we are mexico. what is your response to senator mccain saying we just can't have this, they cannot stay. >> that's putting on blinders. that's completely disregarding all international protections, all of our kovnss a and really a principle in which this country was created. we cannot stay they cannot stay

without hearing their stories and giving them a legitimate chance for a claim for protection. >> it is clear that part of what's going on here is a timing issue. as the president is asking for these fund, many of these funds are not so much, some of these for housing and protection, but a lot is it is to speed the process, with the white house saying we are going to expect they're going to be sent back. how does a more deliberative or a faster process actually impact the likely outcomes? >> bell there's a way to do this, first the impact has been on the border. and so there's a lot of this funding going towards the border, but they are presenting themselves at the border. it's not a security concern. >> they're not dodging the officials, they're running to them. >> toward them, exactly. so you know, what we've been saying, put more money in the adjudication of the cases, which has been a long underfunded, judges and the court system, immigration, officers and attorneys for the children because that is a key part. if they don't have attorneys,

dhie not have meaningful access to u.s. protection. it's as simple as that. >> and it seems to me, okay, i want to listen. because one, you -- juan, you brought up this point about u.s. kpexty in the core causes that are leading the children to flee. listen to the president for a moment, then follow it up with another statement. let's listen to the president talking about this issue. >> this is not going to be a short term problem, this is a long-term problem. we have countries that are pretty close to us in which the life chances of children are just far, far worse than they are here. the more that we can do to help these countries get their acts together, then the less likely we are to have a problem at the borders. >> so there's the president talking about these countries getting their act together, but i was reading a piece by hector perla suggesting their inability

to get their act together may be related to u.s. policy. he writes, trade relations with the region gave unprecedented power to u.s. corporations such as monsanto, which is on the brink of creating monopoly for seeds, the net results has been the devastation of economies particularly agriculture. in nations where we have actsively intervened is where these young people are facing violence, dissolved states, and the problems that are leading them here. >> sure, classic example, all the policies of this country in respect to salvador, depressed so many people for so many years. the migration into this country is massive, right? we're not talking about the third largest latino group in the country. right here nearby in long island, they just edged out puerto rican, it is the largest group. salvador is fleeing in large part, districtly -- directly due to these policies. >> nicaragua is not

well-represented in part because of a government that we opposed there has been engaged with policies that have helped poor people in those communities. >> and you know we're also talking about the kind of training that occurs in the military or the countries. all u.s. funded, u.s.-led. now the concern is, not only about whether or not the governments of those countries are actually now going after how they believe to deal with gang violence is to actually become the killer. there's a forest that's been known, the black, dark shadow. and they too, government-funded, are now also terrorizing i don't think people. >> again, never have any time, you just said something i don't to want lee on. when you said the gangs, you did the air quote, i think it's important to recognize when we hear gang violence, this is not a u.s. context. just briefly help us understand how the gang violence these young people different than what

young people face here in the u.s. >> this is a forced recruitment of these children. these children are terrorized in their home communities. don't go to school anymore, particularly honduras, i think that's where things are particularly bad. but in all three countries. can it can be likened to child soldiers in other parts of the world where there's no one to protect them. if they don't join the gangs, they see the dead bodies, we have stories from our children who are referred to k.i.n.d. and they realize, they say it's not really a choice, it's either i leave or i die. >> and as i point out, in other parts of the world where we invested millions and billions in supporting the row of ewe gee status of those young people fleeing that forced recruitment, megan mckenna, thank you, swan going to stick around a bit -- juan is going to stick around longer. the battle between republicans and president obama, live to the border, next. let's do this?

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we've been talking this morning about the humanitarian crisis consistenting largely of unaccompanied children at the southern border of the united states. now i want to the go to that boarder in mission, texas, why nbc news correspondent is standing by. jennifer, what's the latest from where you are? >> reporter: latests is it has been a very -- latest is it has been a quiet morning. you see behind me the water back there is rio grandee. on the other side, that's a state park in mexico. on this side where the green grass is is the united states. another state park, and occasionally, jet skiers will charge $1,000 for migrants to come across. we haven't seen any of that today. that's not unusual because the numbers of women and children coming across this border have been declining steadily in the last week. a lot of theories as to why that is. the train that carries them through mexico, many of them, had a derailment last week. so we'll find out if maybe it picks up again once that train gets going again.

also, there's been some, there's been some talk that maybe the word is filtering down into central america that once they get here and the path to get here is very, very difficult, and once they get here, there's no guarantee they can stay. there are a lot of theories as to why its slowed down. it has by about one-third, melissa. >> the news has been focussing on the tensions between these unaccompanied children migrants and those americans who are living in border communities. have you seen any signs of that tension? >> reporter: not at all. here in mission and mccallen, people have been welcoming. the catholic churches and the various nonprofit groups have just opened up to the people that are coming across because it is a humanitarian crisis. the same has actually happened in many of the border towns in california. we see a lot of the coverage was murrietta which is a two and a half hour drive north of the border into california. they're not used to seeing as many migrants as they are perhaps on the border towns and

that's what's caused the tensions. >> good point, you know probably worth noting that the catholic church both in the u.s. and international lip has taken the position that this is a humanitarian crisis. in mission, texas, thank you so much for reporting for us from the border. >> reporter: you bet. stay with us because the kit gloves are coming off on this issue. the president let the republicans have it this week and the speaker of the house fired right back. this may be the fight that we actually need to have. ness, wit. we've created tax free zones throughout the state. and startup ny companies will be investing hundreds of millions of dollars in jobs and infrastructure. thanks to startup ny, businesses can operate tax free for 10 years. no property tax. no business tax. and no sales tax. which means more growth for your business, and more jobs. it's not just business as usual. see how new york can help your business grow, at startup.ny.gov

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in the first place to whether the president should visit the border for a firsthand look at the situation. the issue came to a head wednesday which the president visited texas. he did not go to the border, but he met with the one of his critics, texas governor rick perry who urged the president to deploy national guard groups to the border. he described the meeting as constructive, during a speech thursday, he made it clear that he blames perry's fellow republicans in congress for the current situation. >> when folks say they're frustrated with congress, let's be clear about what the problem is. i'm just telling the truth now. i don't have to run for office again, so i can just, you know, let it rip. they said no to fixing our broken immigration system that we know would strengthen our borders and our businesses and help families. >> that same day, house speaker

john boehner let it the rip when he announced, remember he announced he was suing the president this week, and so he shot back and asked if republicans will bear the blame if they don't approve the nearly $4 billion the president wants to address the crisis. >> listen, this is a problem of the president's own making. he's been president for five and a half years, when's he going to take responsibility for something? >> it's getting real in washington. with me at the table, democratic pollster, juan, president and general council for the organization latino justice and lenny request republican strategist and senior vice president of heinz communication, nice to have you here. >> thank you. >> i don't mind when my president is the letting it rip. he's like hey, i have no more elections to run for, but is that a fair assessment of what's really happening here because honestly, the white house sounds like they want to send the children home? >> well, it's not just about whether or not we send the kids home, it's about how they need

lawyers, we talked about this in previous segments, more support immigration courts, and simply the infrastructure of managing what we do next requires funding and requires a plan. right? what it doesn't require is the simple, political back and forth and for republicans to use this to think that it's a good political football for them, it is not born out by the polling, about where public opinion is, what even republican voters want, ian 60% of tea party republicans are opened for undocumented citizens. >> we saw data saying that new york times saying that among republican witness 51% of republicans support a path to citizenship. that said, i'm not sure why we're talking about this as an immigration issue at all. i guess, part of what feels so frustrating to me is now this is part of the immigration fight, but it's not clear to me that's the right framework. >> yeah. i think ut president had a bad week, and if he had to do it

over, he would have made a lot of changes in how he addressed this with the american people this week. >> you think just the president had a week? or did speaker boehner have a bad week as well? >> i believe that the president had a bad week and the country had a bad week. we have a massive humanitarian crisis. i was concerned can that the president refused to call it a crisis. i was concerned that the president attended four fund raisers in 24 hours, the big problem for the president this week, in my view is not john boehner, it's the democrats who spoke out and said, we don't want this to be president's katrina. we want you to visit the border. and you know what they got, they got a talking to and yelled at, that's the wrong response. >> i have a lot of emotions when people say somebody's katrina. right. >> absolutely. >> i wanted to just put on the table that katrina was katrina, and this is its own thing. that said, i think there are two important things going on here that feels certain kind of similarities. i too think the president should

have gone to the border, although i guess i understand the politics of not going. i have a kind of human angst about him not standing there with these young people in this moment. >> definitely. by all means he should have gone. and this should have been the message about exactly the prioritization that this administration's going to give to the crisis. and to recast the issue again as we've been talking about in previous segment, refugee issue is the clearest way to differentiate this issue from all others in the immigration debate. >> because you don't go and stand when people are sneaking across the border, even though that's sort of bizarre way to imagine it, when you have a refugee crisis, which is part of the one part of this that does connect for me back to the post-katrina moment when refugee was used to describe american citizens. and it was used to the effect of in fact decreasing the likelihood that american citizens would get the kind of help and support that we needed after the storm. but in this case, using the

language of refugee instead of immigrant might be helpful for moving the president's agenda forward. >> i think it's going to be impracticality, difficult to move the conversation from immigration to a refugee conversation. i just think, in terms of how the dialogue works because they're coming on the southern border, i think, you may be right in the definition, i think it's still a challenge, but what i think is important is a couple things. one to focus on why these kids are coming here. and think of the heart ache of, you know, i'm a mom, you're a mom, of feeling this is the only chase i have. this is the only choice i have for my ten-year-old, that's it. this is what, i'm going send them, this huge distance by themselves because otherwise, they can't survive here. >> i don't send my 12-year-old across the street. like six months i let my 12-year-old like walk down the street to her dance class on her own. the notion of what kind of terror must face these families to think of this as what their

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which for you, shouldn't be a problem. just another way we put members first, because we don't have shareholders. join the nation. nationwide is on your side. frustrated by the lack of federal action to address immigration. one municipality took action this week. league city passed a resolution on tuesday night to ban undocumented children from entering the town. the measure declines to accept federal requests to operate the detention or processing centers in the city. different response emerged in houston where middle school that has been closed since 2001 may reopen its doors to house the unaccompanied refugee children. fema and other federal officials toured the campus which is now used as a storage facility. one houston resident voiced her displeasure with using the closed school in this way.

she interrupted a press event held by congresswoman sheila jackson lee to say this. >> these illegal immigrants don't have nowhere to go, so you're going to come over hoo to our neighborhood, open the school up for them, really? is that right? anybody think that's right? what's going to keep them from escaping here and just moving around? >> right. >> around houston, around trinity gardens? security, really? they can't com the border. >> joining us now from austin, texas, contributor, nice to see you this morning, vicky. >> thanks, melissa. >> so that moment with sheila jackson lee and one of her constituents presumably, and that anger. i thought it really reflected this sense that there has been a huge public disinvestment for poor communities right here in the u.s., and so it can feel really tough to be able to have the right language to talk about what we're now facing. >> it's tremendously

frustrating, melissa. and what we have seen in the past couple of years is that it's in the state level and the local level where these immigration bat are also being fougtd out because there's a complete stalemate at the federal level and there has been for at least, you know, the last decade. so cities like houston, cities like l.a., even little, tiny cities on the border or like murrieta are saying you know what, we're going to take matters into our own hands to better the situation or sometimes to dig in their heels against immigration, but this is a sentiment we're seeing across the board. >> this notion of locality is taking things into their own hands as a black southerner makes me nervous. i want to play governor perry for a moment and get you to respond to what you think the politics are here. let's listen to governor perry on the "today show" this week. >> i asked him also to put a thousand national guard troupes, of course this is a long standing request for the president. that's a very, very important message for the president and

for the united states to send is to put those national guard troops on the border and truly send a powerful message that the border is in fact secure. >> so vicky, am i in upside down world where a southern governor asked the federal government to send troops, it is usually not that way that it goes down. >> it's a bizarre world, melissa, the bigger picture is disturbing. all right we have the cities like league city saying we can't have these immigrant children come in, and then just recently we saw here in texas a number of armed myly that groups rounding are up saying we're going to protect the border, but the scariest part is you have folks like rick perry and the lieutenant governor candidate dan patrick says, you know what, we need to arm ourselves. we need the national guard. for example, this last week, sean hannity and rick perry went down to the boarder in an armed rambo style protecting against women and children.

the boarder is secure. there is no need to put more boots on the ground. if anybody, the fact that all of these kids and mothers are getting caught is because we have so many resources. over the past 20 years, we have seen an increase in border patrol budgets going from 360 million to 3.5 billion. that's not where the problem is. the problem is in other sources that we need to be dealing with. and rick perry, as many times as completely off point here. >> stay with me for a second, let me ask you about the image of these armed republican gentlemen, conservative gentlemen down there standing their ground against women and children like, we were talking about who is this a bad week for? in the politics of it, does that end up being bad politics for perry? >> no, it doesn't end up being bad politics. i'm not familiar with the photo op. i'm not comfortable talking about the notion of armed my ri thats. governor panther have i right to

ask the president to respond. the state of texas right now is footing as much as a $50 million bill because the federal government failed to act. it's not a republican problem, it's a problem and a failure of the federal government, not just of this president, but administrations past. we should be honest about that. >> i appreciate that. i feel like there is an important honest statement to make about local communities and states that are strapped for resources, but then if we step one step back from that, the politics of why they are strapped for resources actually is about republican policy. it actually was about tax cuts, the reduction of resources for the federal government to be supportive of these local communities. >> no question. and they're not doing enough to make sure the republican party does what it needs to do to get a particular moderate stance on immigration and pass some kind of reform. the other thing is, there's going to be a price to pay. local ordnances against immigration or local ordnances against anybody coming across the southern border, they've been tried already. challenged in court, big price

tag. eventually they all fall because the constitution clearly vests all authority over immigration matters in the federal government and not to local governments. >> which is why the federal government is going to have to do something. everybody stay with me, including you vicky, a little bit more when we come back.

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we've been discussing the humanitarian crisis at the border enand the policies of immigration and partnership that -- for the president at the border could be problematic for the democratic party going into the midterms. >> i think ultimately, it's very clear to the american people which party is on the side of welcoming immigrants and having a reasonable policy, or at least having a plan for a policy. i think there's this myth on the republican side that they need to be hostile, actively hostile to latinos and immigrants more

broadly that that's going to help them in primaries. that's not born out by the data at all. and the other corollary to that they feel if maybe, on the alternatively, we need to check a box as if that's all that latino voters care about and only latino care about immigration and neither are true. and i think all of that is tied republicans up in knots about how, what they're supposed to do next. >> latino voters care about many other topics other than immigration and the immigration is not just a latino issue. so much so, and vicky, i want to come to you on this, this really interesting new york city editorial this week from what i like to call the 1% of the 1%ers, right, demanding immigration reform, but they're saying we believe that borders to train intelligent and motivated people in the universities, often subsidizing education and deport them when they graduate. many of course want to return to their home country, and that's fine, but for those who wish to stay and work in commuters

science or technology feels badly in need of services, let's roll out the welcome mat. is that like pitting one group of immigrants, the model minorities, the kind we want, the kinded from plarp countries against for example these young people coming from war-torn and dangerous nations to the south? >> there is a propensity to go down that road. we have to be careful when we make that argument because the larger argument is that immigration is good economically. i think the economists on the right and left will agree with that. and yes, the high-tech immigrants do help our economy, but we also know that we need low skilled labor. we need folks who work in the restaurants who are working in our homes, and that's another economic push. so i think we need to maybe step back from that narrower argument and say, the economy benefits when you have people working on all parts of the spectrum. >> juan, as much as i appreciate the point that republicans have, had a discourse that may make them appear far more hostile,

it's also true that many feel that this president hasn't made it clear that the democratic party is opening and welcome to immigration. is this an opportunity, even though this is not an immigration issue? is there an opportunity to more clearly define his role and that of the democratic party as different on the issue of immigration? >> my gosh. and it is, and it's probably too late. we're talking about a president and administration that deported already two million people. we're talking about an issue in the latino community in which the frustration level is up beyond here. so by all means, go down to the board enand start welcoming, put actions behind exactly what your words are. we are talking about a very, very conflictive image of this presidency on the issue of immigration. >> and it feels to me, and i might be wrong, but it feels like it president has been conflicted in part because he keeps thinking that a deal is possible. we heard him say, i don't have to run again, maybe if the bear is loose, we can get some clarity, vicky thank you for

joining us from austin, texas, victoria, also here in new york, maggie and juan, and also lenny, very nice to have you all here. still to come this morning, the escalating crisis in the mideast. but before that, the ongoing civil rights crisis in the state i am about to call home again. more nerdland at the top of the hour. once there was a girl who put her own personal style into everything. she always mixed and matched, even in her laundry room. with downy unstopables for long lasting scents and infusions for softness, her mix was like a fine fragrance for her clothes. mmmmm. (discreet) i call it scent-cessorizing. transform your clothes, with mix, match, magic. downy infusions and unstopables. wash in the wow.

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particularly noticeable. it is hot in my new state capitol. specifically inside the capitol building where the senate and house are in tense negotiations over the state budget. and not even partisan negotiations, they are both republican-controlled, but they are at serious divides over how to allocate state resources. on wednesday, the state's budget conference committee came together to discuss one of the contentious issues at play, teacher pay. both sides are working to determine an appropriate raise for north carolina teachers whose average pay ranked 46th in the nation last year. and it seemed like the house and senate were in a good place to negotiate, that agreed on how much to allocate for medicate cost overruns and the senate dropped a requirement that teachers would have to give up their tenure in order to get a raise. the house and senate even agreed on nation format. one hour for the senate, one hour for the house, sit down, negotiate, hash it out. they weren't seated for long. not ten minutes. the house committee members

decided to start their hour with testimony from teachers and superintendents. and members of the senate were not down with that saying it violated committee procedure. first, the senators declared the meeting adjourned which is why they got up and just walked out. just left the meeting. and didn't return for nearly an hour. just in time for their hour of the meeting to begin. the governor criticized the leaders for walking out and not bothering to listen to the educator's testimony. the next day, he put out a statement promising to veto the senate's plan or any plan that would increase teacher wages by more than 6%. and as proof of how badly they were frayed, senate members announced they wouldn't show up to friday's negotiations so house members canceled the meeting. today the state is still without a budget for the new fiscal year and the budget committee reached some common ground. both sides have agreed to changes in how eligibility works for child care subsidies.

of a change that could reportedly cost 12,000 children to lose their afterschool care. and of course, house and senate worked together last session to push through bills that have proven controversial like last year's trap laws, limiting womens access to reproductive services were tacked on to a bill about motorcycle safety and the quote, popular voter id law as the governor's office described house bill 582349 a press release. critics have given it a different name. the monster law. it was passed in the last 72 hours of the 2013 session containing a whooping 56 pages of new voting laws that some residents have decried as not only repressive, but a blatant attempt to suppress the votes of african americans and young people in the state. the folks who, as you might remember in 2008, voted overwhelmingly for then senator obama and helped turn the his or itically red state blue for the first time since 1976. that law was signed in august of last year, but this week, it was challenged in court by a broad

coalition of north carolina resz dents including the naacp and local college students. it violates the 14th, 15th, and 26th amendment disproportionately impacting african american and young voters in north carolina. through changes like cutting down the early voting period because in 201270% of african americans participated as early voters. and cutting same-day registration which 41% of black voters used in 2012, and strict photo id requirements because african americans make up more than one-third of voters without ids that comply. and ending prereng administration for 16 and 17-year-olds and eliminating annual registration drives in high schools. this trial is not the first time that north carolina residents voiced opposition to the provisions, the moral movement. began in april of 2013 after the voting restrictions were introduced. and this week, movement participants were in my new hometown, winston salem speaking out against the law.

this week, we fight and litigate in court against what unmiss takingly is the worst attack on volting rights and the right to vote against jim crow. >> the lawsuit does not go to full trial until next year, but plaintiffs in court this week are hoping to block the law from taking effect before the november elections. joining me now are two people who have been at that hearing this week. arie burman and raleigh, north carolina, everybodying joiner law professor and legal council for the naacp. so nice to have you. >> good to be here with you, melissa. >> i'm going to be down there soon, the litany i read makes me terrified. you have been in court all this week, what do you expect to come

of this particular challenge? >> well first of all, welcome to winston salem and back to north carolina. binge that we -- we think that we presented a compelling case for the judge to issue a temporary restraining order to prevent the state from enacting these monster provisions that were enacted by the general assembly. we had outstanding witnesses from 93-year-old rosa nell ethan who had to recite the pledge, the preamble to the constitution in order to vote, and has regularly, since that time, been actively engaged in efforts to get people to register to vote in franklin county. we had expert witnesses, we had legislators who came in. we had community groups and organizations who were active in

getting people to the polls, getting them registered and engaging them to participate. so we think that we have, we presented a held of a case for the judge and at the end of the date that we will probably get a preliminary injunction. >> professor joynor, hold one moment, so ari, help my viewers to remember why this has to be in court at all. because this has everything to do with the supreme dourt of the united states -- court of the united states in their preent decision. >> that was the context was that when the supreme court e vis rated the voting rights act, it meant that north carolina no longer had to approve voting changes with the federal government, what that meant subpoena north carolina took 16 page bill dealing exclusively with voter id and turned it into a 57 page bill that repealed or curtailed every effort that had been made to encourage people to vote in the state. so the law got a lot more

extreme. the process changed, north carolina no long her to submit that law for federal approval, the burden shifted from the state to the voters most impacted by the law. those who are disenfranchised have to prove they're that and the legal standard is much more difficult because before basically under section v of the voting rights act, voters of color wouldn't be worse off. now it's a tougher standard, it doesn't mean that plaintiff's won't prevail in this case either in a preliminary injunction or a full trial, but it means we should never have had this hearing because the law wouldn't have been in effect. >> let me come back to you on that point because it feels to me like mrs. ooet season such a great -- ethan is such a great example of this, before the supreme court decision in shelby, you would have basically the state would have had the burden of demonstrating that they weren't going to disenfranchise her.

now, she has to demonstrate that he is being harmed. right, she and a whole class of people like her are being harmed. and when you see a woman in her 90s whose been voting all of this time having to bear the brunt of that, it articulates the problem here. >> it's a difficult issue. and i think i already -- ari stated it well. but we feel that based on her testimony and other meem who -- people who are able to show that the early voting law, the same-day registration resulted in a tremendous increase in african american registering to vote in north carolina, and they actually went out and for the first time in history exceeded the percentage of whites who voted. so it shows the success of the provisions that the general assembly has stricken or curtail. and so we think that that's

pretty clear evidence that a blind man can see what the, what the objectives were here. and we are hopeful that the judge will be able to see that as well. now we are unable to show with any precision exactly how many people are going to be impacted in november of 2014 or in subsequent years. but i think that when you look at the patterns and practices within the african american community and how african americans and latinos have responded to these, these advances, these progressive enactments in the law, it is clear that there was an intent to curtail the ability of these individuals to vote. >> ari, another group, the 26th amendment aspect here. people are familiar with 14th and 15th and african american and latino voters being disproportionately impacted, but the young people of north carolina, a state which stands

outsd in the south for its higher education are also saying that as 26 amendment voters, voters from 18-21, that they are being harmed by the new laws. >> this is a novel argument, but it is true that young voters are being harmed by the law and worse singled out. they eliminated preregistration for 16, 17-year-olds, young voters who use same-day registration. register and vote at the same time which is important for college students. people who don't follow elections until near the end. and the voter id provision doesn't allow student ids. i can enter a federal krours with a state university id, but i cannot vote for one if i had a student or young person in the state. it is definitely true that young voters have been targeted because they were a core that elected barack obama and that has been pushing from north carolina from to led blue. >> they know he's not running again, right?

>> they're worried about hilary clinton and erin else. >> right. professor, where's the best place to get coffee these days? >> the sweet potato restaurant there. and stay away from starbucks. >> stay away. i'm sure we can't say that on the air, but i'll go over it again. raleigh, north carolina, thank you so much and ari here in new york. we'll keep our eyes on everything going on in north carolina. but coming up, roskts launching and -- rockets launching and bombs dropping. at what point do we call this a war? before that, my letter of the week. for $175 dollars a month? yup. all five of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line anytime for 15 bucks a month. low dues... great terms... let's close. introducing at&t mobile share value plans...

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back in april, i sent a letter to tennessee governor bill haas lam urging him to ve tee sb 1391.

a bill that would criminalize women who use drugs while pregnant. i argue that doing so would put women and their infants in danger by discouraging pregnant women from seeking medical treatment for substance abuse and avoid prenatal care altogether. the governor signed it anyway, and it went into effect july 1st. on tuesday, the first arrest was made. and that's why my letter this week is again to tennessee governor bill haslam. dear governor, it's me plis la, this is mallory lolla. on sunday she gave birth, on tuesday, as she was being discharged from the hospital, deputies from the monroe county sheriff's office arrested her and took her to jail. she's still in jail. unable to post a $2,000 bond. she's there without her baby. her daughter is less than a week old. governor, this woman was arrested and charged with assault under the law you signed

at the end of april because she and her baby tested positive for methamphetamine. the law makes this a crime, specifically the illegal use while pregnant if her child is born addicted to or harmed by the narcotic drug. now, we don't know that the baby showed signs of physical harm, all we know is that the baby tested positive for meth triggering a call to the department of children services, which called the sheriff. let me be very clear. i am foot in advocating -- noted a vot dating for pregnant -- advocating for pregnant women to use drugs, absolutely not, the same way i suggest women should smoke or drink while pregnant. legal drug use that can cost harm if not more to newborns, drinking alcohol can cause serious birth defects and lifelong developmental and behavioral problems. smoking while pregnant increases the risk of preterm birth and sids. babies born to mothers who smoke are more likely to develop

asthma. tennessee has not made it illegal for the use of alcohol or cigarettes by pregnant women. nor should it. even though more pregnant women drink and smoke than do elicit drugs, about 6% use elicit drugs, 9% drink alcohol, and one in six pregnant women, 16% smoke cigarettes while pregnant. we have to treat these things the same way, and that means treatment over imprisonment. we already get help for the pregnant smokers and the drinkers, we urge them to quit, tennessee, even had a special program to help pregnant women and mothers quit smoking, administratered smartly through the wic program. that's how we should treat the use of illegal drugs by getting women help instead of putting them in jail. look governor, i know tennessee has a real problem with babies born with drug dependency. this law creates another problem. the real and lasting harm caused by separating a mother from her infant child.

study after study has found that separating an infant from her mother can lead to lifelong mental health and emotional problems and inability to deal with stress. being separated changes the way your brain develops. drug abuse is a problem in tennessee, but the solution cannot be putting a woman in jail two days after she gives birth. the solution cannot be separating her from her newborn child and keeping them separated just because she can't post bail. what could possibly be the point of keeping a woman from her baby? let's go back to what you said when you signed this bill into the law the point is in your words, quote, the intent of this bill is to give law enforcement and district attorneys a tool to address elicit drug use among pregnant women through treatment programs. well, that's just not what happened for mallory. what happened was a new mother was arrested as she was being discharged from the hospital with her two day old baby.

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targets in gaza. on wednesday, israeli prime minister netanyahu had this to say about the response about the barrage of rockets by hamas. >> no country on earth would remain passive in the face of hundreds of rockets fired on the cities. israel is no exception. today we expanded our operations against hamas and the other terrorist groups in gaza. we'll continue to protect our civilians against hamas attacks. >> and on thursday, u.s. secretary of state john kerry made clear the u.s. position. >> no country, no country can except rocket fire aimed at civilians, and we support completely israel's right to defend itself against these vicious attacks. >> that same day, president obama offered to mediate hostilities during a call with prime minister netanyahu which would include a return to the cease-fire agreement.

but a cease-fire may be difficult to achieve as the rockets and air strikes continue. on friday, mr. netanyahu said he would not rule out the possibility of a ground war in gaza. for more, i am joined by martin fletcher who is in televee. when netanyahu says he won't rule out the possibility of ground war, how realistic does that scenario seem to be at this point? >> realistic, well melissa, it's very realistic. the army says its called up more than 20,000 reserves. they're ready to go into gaza at any moment, all they need is a green light from the israeli government, but that hasn't happened yet, and it's definitely a last resort for the israelis. they don't to want go in on the ground. that would lead to many more civilian casualties in gaza and real issue on the israeli troops themselves. it doesn't seem at this moment to be any other real option to stop those rockets from gaza.

another 45 rockets were aimed at israel today from gaza, about 100 israeli attacks on gaza continuing to kill palestinians, it's all very personal. the two nephews of the palestinian prime minister for instance were killed just about an hour or two ago. sop it's all very personal, even for the palestinian leadership. the best bet seems to be growing diplomatic pressure. the international community is putting pressure on israel to call off any potential ground invasion. that's one reason that netanyahu said they will not bow to international pressure. but tomorrow in europe, the british, the frempbl, the germans, and the americans are going to be meeting to talk about a potential truce proposal. on monday, the arab league is set to meet. they're going to put forward a truce proposal. they have actually. israel said they're ready to discuss it, hamas doesn't want to talk about it at that state.

they want to continue with their attacks on israel. it's an escalating military situation with a diplomatic solution hovering. and in the background all the time is this threat that you mentioned of a ground invasion. which would make matters much worse. there is one interesting side development if you like, among the paul still yans. while hamas is fighting this battle in gaza. they're complaining that the leader of the palestinians on the west bank, the president of the palestinians is not taking the side of hamas. he said unto the palestinian president said to palestinian tv station, he said, quote, i am against war traders on both sides. that was quite a slap in the face to hamas. and hamas is angry at the palestinian leader who has always been advocating non-violence, melissa. >> martin fletcher in televooef,

thank you. i would like to bring in a professor at the school of international service and university. she's author of the book, "going to teheran." an independent journalist working on u.s. foreign policy and ron, the washington bureau chief at the jewish telegraphicic agency, thank you for being here. >> pleasure. >> are we at war? i heard martin say escalating military tensions. at what point do we call this war? >> i think you called it a war. you can call it a war as soon as israel started carrying out air strikes. more than 1,000 air strikes, the vernacular is many war or war, but it's a war just like the operation in 2012 was a war in the operation in 2009 is a war. whether it escalates into a ground operation, which would be much more open ended, is another question. i think that, you know, the way to view that, whether this goes into a ground operation is to

understand benjamin netanyahu is the ceo, the business-trained guy. he doesn't like situations that can spiral out of control. that explains in part his reluctance to seed territory in the west bank and that explains in part also why he didn't order a ground invasion in 2012 whereas his predecessor did in 2009. >> so, typically, when we think about war, typically when we use that language, one part of that is a belief that the combatants most in danger are in fact military combatants of the more than 100 palestinians. it is our understand that most are civilians. does that shift our understanding? >> that's such a critically important point. you're not talking here about interstate battle. interstate violence which you would classify in international law as a war. this is an israeli bombing in and among a civilian population that it occupies legally.

that is per se a violation of international law, and the united states and israel have blocked all access by the palestinians to international snugtss lying the international criminal court to have their case heard. it's not your standard war. and whath israelis describe it as, it's not really a war. they call it mowing the grass. where they go in periodically to diminish palestinian capabilities and all this does is actually em bolden those who stand for using violence struggle against the israelis like hamas that has a base in gaza and hezbollah in lebanon. there's one sure way to bring the leadership back, which had been weakened, this is it. and we're likely to see an escalating cascade of violence because of this. >> so yes, please. >> i was just going to say, mowing the lawn is great, but let's not kid ourselves, that is a yuf nichl for perpetual war, iran gave the break down of the 2009 war andle 2012 war, and it's three years and two years, if you have to keep going back

in, it doesn't matter that there are laws in between, it is a war, and it's a broad conflict and you can't forget this is all happening under the bigger picture of this, you know, half a century long military occupation which itself is a conflict in these esklations when they flair up, you can call it war, not war, but it's a perpetual conflict. >> occupation that has now at this point, we have reached the stage where people don't like to talk about it. they keep talking about this idea that somehow israel can remain and jewish and democratic state. if you look at the numbers that the u.s. government put out in its annual human rights report, that is already a fantasy. if you can't according to the u.s. government the number of people under israeli control, arabs outweigh the number of jews. so for example, the state department says there are 5.2 million jews who live in thor it thier israel controls, there are 5.4 million arabs. that is an internal problem. hamas is an internal problem, not foreign state problem. >> this is precisely where i want to come back to because the

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negotiated way forward is out only way ultimately to resolve the problems and actually establish a palestinian state and put in place the security measures and other things necessary. >> that was secretary of state john kerry commenting on the crisis in the mideast during his trip to china on thursday. and just to underscore that the position of the u.s. is the two-state solution. president obama wrote a op-ed, wrote it before, the escalation of the violence, but wrote at the end of the day, we know where negotiations must lead, two states for two peoples. the only solution is a democratic jewish state living side by side in peace and security with a viable, independent palestinian state.

>> i think there are a lot of parties that are still invested in the two-state solution, the united states, international community, a good portion of the israeli public, good portion of the palestinian public, the palestinian prime minister, president as you pointed out. i think what this shows us from the israeli perspective, i think that what's going on now is it shows the worst case scenario outcome of a one-state solution is populations that are at each other's throats and don't recognize each other claims but have to share the same territory. you've got what you're looking at here in terms of a one thing solution is perpetual belfast and i've heard people from northern ireland say they recognize what's going on in israel now as something that went on in their territory. >> so you draw our attention in that moment, the experience here, something that the u.n. ambassado ambassadors, palestinian and israeli did this week in their conversations. let's hear from the israeli u.n.

ambassador talking about the experience of this kind of perpetual state of war. >> the last three days, 442 rockets have been fired into israel, that's one every ten minutes. 15 seconds, that's how much time you have to run for your life. imagine having only 15 second to find a bomb shelter. >> and just to underscore that this is not a one-sided experience, on the other side here, the palestinian ambassador to the u.n. talking about the experiences of the experiences of children. >> the council must bear its responsibilities. it must act to protect the civilian lives, deescalate the current crisis and salvage of the prospect for peace and

security in our troubled renal. failing to do so, it will further diminish its own credibility and be complicit in allowing innocent children, women, and men to die and situation to further de-stabilize with far-reaching consequences. >> how do you respond to those? >> they're moving, moving testimonies to what's going on. i mean those are the diplomats doing their jobs, but it's just not, you know, the problem is they're talking past each other. lst no immediate cease-fire on the horizon. to your point before, there's no negotiations on the horizon for the two-state solution. we saw it yesterday, netanyahu in his press conference used this escalation to say, this is why the israel can never give up judae and samaria. and talking about keeping troops in the jordan valley on the west

bank of the jordan river. if there was a two-state solution tomorrow, i'd say great because that could mitigate the violence, but it just doesn't seem clear that that path is there. and that's why this is just tragedy heaped upon tragedy at every level from the three israeli teenagers that were kidnapped and murdered to the young palestinian teenager that was kidnapped and burned alive. what ron's talking about, the tension between the two people in close quarters that are at each other's throats, it'd be great if we could impose a solution that ended that. the fact 12 is it's not going top happen. >> look, when you were here last week, you said something about nelson mandela moment, and i had a bristle, then i understood what you were saying. help me to understand if there is at least some angst about whether a two-state solution is possible what you meant by that idea. >> the whole peace spros not an indigenous phenomenal, it was not conceived by them, it was

conceived by the united states, after the 1967 war, after israel proved that it could be essentially an aggressive state against soviet-alied neighbors. its always been instrumental element of american foreign policy. never to bring about peace and moments from israelis, arabs, palestinians. that's where it comes from. what has always been there that nobody talk abouts is there essentially is a one-state solution. and the one state, this is not because i advocate it, i'm looking at reality on the ground, in terms of the numbers of people that are there. one state could come about in essentially kind of peaceful transformation over time, be strenuously opposed by the united states, jews, and others, but south africa that where you have a leader like nelson mandela that brings into a one-state co. existence. that is where we are. it's a terrible situation, and in part of the united states bears responsibility.

now we don't think about it here, if you look at the polling numbers and public opinion in the middle east, the hatred, the hatred of the united states and u.s. foreign policy is striking. president obama today has lower favorability than george bush at his lowest moment which is astounding. >> stay with us, i want to bring you back on that issue, i want to the talk about the u.s. role in all of this as soon as we return. you know what i love america? fine barbecue, good times and zero heartburn. ♪ and that's why i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn. because it gives me... zero heartburn! prilosec otc. the number 1 doctor-recommended frequent heartburn medicine for 9 straight years. >>you can't beat zero heartburn. prilosec otc. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn.

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of the united nations security council on thursday reminding everyone that civilians are paying the highest price in this conflict. i want to let you in on this question of who will mediate the conflicts if not the u.n. >> one of the interesting things the other day, he ended it by saying this isn't going to stop until the hamas stops firing rockets. it's the same thing that john kerry said, and as you pointed out, it's something that a palestinian suggested, but they're also, it's the single entity that doesn't have rocket right now. in previous conflicts, the egyptians have stepped in because there's been mubarak will have no time for hamas, his successor, muhammad they were able to influence them into coming into the table. now off president in egypt, who identifies hamas with the devil, they're the muslim brotherhood. they can cut themselves off and drop off the face of the earth. so it's a question who do you bring in?

>> is there any regional partner there in the area that has the soft power diplomatic capacity? >> turkey maybe. >> there's turkey and qatar. we just saw qatar work to get an american released from the taliban. hamas outside external office is now based in the capitol of qatar. we do have, we do have a relationship, partnership with the qatars, the qatars with hamas. they completely bankrolled the hamas office, hamas is dependent on the funding. they're at a very weak point, but this gets again to u.s. policy. we have sanctioned ourselves and designated people as undesirable. labeled them as terrorists organizations. and i'm not condoning violence. violence is horrific on all sides, but by doing that, we say you're a terrorist, you can't be at the table. and then we look around and say why isn't anybody at the table. it doesn't make sense, except for the fact that it actually continues to promote american dominance in the region with which we use our israeli

partners. >> but is american dominance in the renal -- region, is the reality that u.s. footprint, whether military or power cannot have the same role that it once had? >> this is the legacy of george bush. by invading iraq on falsified evidence doing the same thing in afghanistan, and then president obama taking it again into libya and do what they've done in syria. we have made american not just hard power, but soft power less and less relevant. we're not a power in absolute decline, but the relative decline has hurt us across the board. and we see middle east blowing up not just in israel, palestine -- an african congress which promoted certain genocidal

idea. its incorporated into its starter, the negation of the jewish people. and it's very difficult to arrive at a mandela moment when you have a player like that. it's like talking about negotiating with isis now. >> which is not a small point about, i mean, even if we, if we had time, which we don't. if we looked at isis and looked at the ways in which isis is winning hearts and minds at the same time that it is enganling in the deeply problematic practices. >> and i hate to be in the position characterize as a defender, but i've been to gaza. >> i can't, they're screaming at me in my ear. i promise, this is obviously unfortunately not going away. we'll continue to have the conversation, thank you to our guest, hillary, and ron. up next is our foot soldier of the week, seven years old, he started making an impact in his home state of florida. wait until you see what he's doing now. [laughs]

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our foot soldier this week was just 7 years old when he started to see firsthand the realities of these figurings. there are more than 41,000 people. there are more than 31,000 homeless families with children. when he first learned about the number of people living without homes in his own south florida neighborhood, he immediately asked his mother if he could help. at just 7 years old, he asked his mom, tanya, if some of the people he saw without shelter could live in his home. wisely, she encouraged her son to volunteer at homeless shelters. but unfortunately, his age precluded him from volunteering. still, youth wouldn't stop this 7-year-old from lending a helping hand. with his mother's help, he founded kq cares, a nonprofit foundation dedicated to aiding those without homes in his community. with his organization, kymani

has organized food drives, conducted annual fund-raising events. now, 11 years old, kymani has also made it easier for other children to help in creative ways. hosting in events like a children's fashion show and a basketball tournament to raise money for those in need. joining me from fort laddt. lau is our foot soldier of the week. do you remember how you felt when you first discovered that some people are homeless? >> i remember, like, it was emotions going through my head. i knew -- i didn't exactly know why they were on the street. i asked my mom. she explained. i kind of felt sad inside. >> and how about when you found out that when you wanted to help, some people thought you were just too young to help? >> i felt sad. so i just wanted to figure out

something that i could actually do to help the homeless people. it made me feel really bad that i couldn't help and that was my number one goal, to help, and i couldn't help. so that's why i wanted to start kq cares. >> so, mom, you did a good job, i think, in encouraging your son not to bring folks home. but that said, how did you decide, look, this is a young man with a passion and let me figure out how we can find a way for him to use that passion to help. >> i can't take all the credit. i will say that i did check with quite a few shelters and they all said no, you have to be 16 to come in, it's a liability. i explained, you know, he just wanted to do something to say i didn't cut a check or, you know, we didn't just donate food, he actually got his hands dirty and did something to help. and i got encouragement from my family and everything and they said well, you know, why don't you just start your own

foundation. so no one can tell him he's too young because it would be him doing the work. and it took a lot of work and a lot of time. a lot of research. i learned a lot about foundations and charities and so on and so forth. but he -- he encouraged me to keep going and we started taking cares. >> what is the most important you have learned through kq cares? >> one thing i definitely learned is never give up. the kids out there and family members that actually want to help, never give up. i went through a long process of trying to help the homeless. and if you guys want to do it, it's going to be a long process, but i never gave up, so you guys should never give up. >> tonya, you also shared with us that kymani is dealing with his own challenges and he really is ha foot soldier not only in helping others but health

concerns of his own. >> yeah, we had a major scare a couple years ago, and he was experiencing some vision issues. he was telling me he was seeing double. and i couldn't understand why. and we couldn't see anything physically wrong with him at the time. and after going to a few doctors and hospitals, we found out that he had an auto immune disease called mystenia gravis which causes muscle weakness. again, a lot of research, a lot of information. and he is battling it, but i believe now he's in remission, but it was a very, very scary time, especially learning about the disease and the fact that it's rarely found in children, and it can really cause some major, major health issues, but he fought through it and it was very scary. >> and still they're doing work for others. i have a really tough question for you. how are you feeling given that lebron james is leaving miami?

>> um, i have nothing to say. i mean -- we all wanted lebron to stay but we understand why he left. he wanted to go back to his hometown. but he should have stayed in miami. >> yes, well, maybe he'll still come help out one of your basketball tournaments. we're so proud of you. thank you to our foot soldier of the week and to his mom. live from ft. lauderdale. that's our show for today. thanks to you at home for watching. tomorrow on mhp, we're going to talk more about lebron james. what the true meaning of the word champion is. going to see you tomorrow morning. now it's time for alex. >> wait, what, lebron james is going back to cleveland? >> you heard about that, shocking, right? >> we'll talk about that too. it's a case developing on the west coast, but now it has a

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