failing on immigration is a problem for them. >> we have to go. thank you to all of you. you can weigh in on our facebook page. that's all for today. we'll be back next week. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." you don't sleep at night. you are worried about, you know, what's going to happen next, if it's going to be anything around your area. >> new fears in the crisis in the middle east. thousands are leaving their homes in gaza after israeli forces warned of air strikes. sirens are going off in israel's cities to warn of incoming rockets from gaza. we'll have live reports from that region. this is a scene that repeats itself every day, every hour along the rio grande. after this group comes in, they can expect to see another one very soon. >> a desperate journey. a steady stream of undocumented immigrants is putting resources along the border to the test. we'll have a firsthand account

from the ground. sub minimum wage. there's a population of americans who earn less than $1 an hour and it is perfectly legal. we know music can be electrifying. now there's a new instrument that creates electricity. it's called spark shaker. i'm milissa rehberger in for craig melvin. we begin with a developing story in the middle east. israel continued its bombardment of gaza today. gaza's police headquarters was among the buildings destroyed. more than 170 people in gaza have been killed in the ongoing exchange of fire between israel and the palestinians. thousands are now fleeing their homes are a israeli forces dropped leaflets washing of new attacks. some 800 rockets and mortars have been fired into israel from gaza, warning sirens sent israelis in bomb shelters. there have been no reported israeli facilities. benjamin netanyahu told his cabinet the army is prepared for all possibilities in gaza.

netanyahu later told fox news the responsibility for civilian casualties lies with hamas. >> the rocketeers are firing from homes. these homes are actually command posts of the hamas and islamic jihad army. obviously we're not going to give them immunity, and so we have to attack them, and we try to minimize as we can civilian casualties. >> ayman mohyeldin joins me on the phone. what are you seeing right there now? >> reporter: as we see every night, melissa, this time of night, there tends to be an intensification of air strikes and naval attacks and tonight has been no different. we heard a series of explosions within the last several hours of various strikes on the northern part of gaza. it seems to be that the israeli military is really focusing on the northern part of gaza to try and create a bit of a buffer zone perhaps paving the way for a ground invasion at some point.

they're trying to take areas that they believe are being used as rocket sites, launching sites for these rockets that are going into israel. >> do you think that people are taking the israeli warning seriously? are they, in fact, leaving their homes? >> reporter: absolutely. today we saw thousands of palestinians and according to the u.n. as well at least 10,000 or so have already taken refuge at schools, makeshift schools that have been converted into shelters. there is no doubt there is growing concern. there is growing concern among palestinians that are leaving these areas that this threat is really. they've experienced this in the past. they've lived this in the past. but there's an element sometimes of psychological warfare that terrorizes these people because the instructions that they're give to leave their homes don't necessarily indicate where is safe for them to go. and that creates a sense of panic. sometimes it creates a sense of paralysis among communities who are really incapable of going to elsewhere for safety or don't have relatives to go to elsewhere for safety. and that becomes an element of

fear for them. >> nbc's ayman mohyeldin in gaza. thank you. let's bring in mark regeh, spokesman for benjamin netanyahu. thank you for joining us. the prime minister told us the id if is prepared for all possible it's and israeli military officials told nbc they will strike with might tonight. what will happen in the next few hours? will there be a ground assault, in fact? >> our goal in this operation is defensive. our goal is to bring about a sustained period of peace and quiet for our civilian population whose been on the receiving end of these hundreds of rockets launched by the terrorists in gaza against our people. so our goal is defensive, and when that goal is achieved, this operation can end. >> we're told by a state department official that secretary of state john kerry spoke on the phone with the prime minister earlier today. what can you tell us about that

conversation? >> well, i'm not going to go into details of those sort of diplomatic exchanges other than to say that the american government, the u.s. administration is being unequivocal that these hamas terrorists and, of course, you know hamas is a terrorist organization under u.s. law, not just under israeli law, that these terrorists must stop their rocket fire against israeli civilians. there's an unequivocal american condemnation of that targeting of our civilian population and that israel has the right to defend itself as any country would. what would the united states be doing if rockets were raining down on its cities from terrorists on the other side of the border? i'm sure the american people would demand that you act to protect them and that's exactly what we're doing in israel. we're expecting to protect our people from these sort of attacks. >> meanwhile, the death toll in gaza has reached more than 170. many of those are civilians. the u.n. security council yesterday called for a cease-fire. so what is israel doing to

reduce civilian deaths in such a densely populated region? >> you know, over the years we've invested billions in precision guided munitions, in re radar and intelligence because we don't want to hit the innocent civilian population of gaza. they are not our enemies and every civilian death is a tragedy. my prime minister said so this morning. our goal is only to stop that rocket fire from gaza which is coming into our civilians. now, our challenge from a military point of view is that the terrorists in gaza deliberately embed themselves among gaza's civilian population. deliberately exploiting gaza civilians as a human shield. that's a war crime. they set up their rockets inside schools, inside mosques, inside urban areas. so we are trying to be as surgical as is humanly possible in a very challenging and complex combat situation. but those people shooting

rockets at our civilians can't have immunity. we have to silence those rockets. >> will israel talk with hamas in order to end this exchange of fire? >> you know, unfortunately there's not much to talk with hamas about because hamas is a brutal, violent, i'd even say vial terrorist organizations, extremist organizations, that says the jewish state has no right to exist in any border. they believe my country should be destroyed. they say so openly, and they say every israeli civilian, man, woman, and as we saw last week with the murder of the teens, even children are legitimate targets in the eyes of hamas. hamas -- >> so how do we end this then? >> this will come to an end when we can be sure that there is no more rocket fire from gaza into israel, that there's no more of these terrorists shooting rockets at our people. when that is achieved, when we can assure our people of an extended period of quiet, this operation can end.

we have no aggressive goals against gaza. we pulled out of gaza. we took down all the settlements. the settlers living there left. we handed it over 100% to the palestinians. there's no reason today for this sort of hostile rocket fire from gaza into israel. it has to stop and one way or another it will stop. >> we'll have to leave it there with the spokesman for israel's prime minister. thank you for being with us. >> my pleasure. thanks for having me. let's bring in diana buto, a human rights attorney and a former spokesperson for the palestinian liberation organization. let me start with this, israel hayes ma hhamas has placed comm centers in civilian centers so the responsibility for civilian casualties in ga dza lie was hamas. are civilians being used as human shields as prime minister netanyahu calls them? >> absolutely not. and i think it's important to

keep in mind that every international investigation that has ever been conducted into this matter has found that these are simply allegations on the part of israel without any proof. beyond that, even beyond that, i think it's important to coo ep in mind even amnesty international has said when israel is hitting something, that they have to be absolutely clear that there aren't any civilians there. and this is something that the israelis have not been doing. if you look at the casualty figures, more than 77% of those who have been killed are civilians. more than half of those who have been killed are women and children, and so what israel is doing is its deliberately targeting the civilian infrastructure, as it has in previous massacres against palestinians in gaza. >> does the hamas government have the ability to stop the exchange of fire? >> it certainly does. i think the bigger question is under what circumstances this is going to happen. and we've seen in the past that when there have been cease fires, both in 2009 and again in 2012, in both of those instances

it was israel who ended up breaking the cease-fires. they have the ability to do so. the bigger question is under what conditions and what hamas has said is in order to be able to put an end to this, there have to be certain conditions met, including the lifting of the siege and the brutal blockade that has been condemned internationally that's been placed on the gaza strip for several years. >> mahmoud abbas wants the violence to end as well. he's been vocal about it, he's been critical of the hamas rocket attacks and the israeli air strikes as well. does this show a split among the palestinian people? >> well, the president has, in fact, been trying to broker a cease-fire for some time, and it's been the israelis who have come out and said they are not interested in one. he has indicated such. hamas has also indicated they were prepared for a cease-fire. but it's been the israelis who have been adamant that they don't want a cease-fire, and the bigger question is why. and i think the question is because israel has not paid a price for the fact that it has carried out these massacres

against palestinians. it continues to act with complete impunity and it's that type of impunity that's going to lead to more violence in the middle east. >> you know, the u.n. has called for a cease-fire as well. israel says it will not talk with hamas. the reason being given and it was given right here today is that they feel hamas does not respect them as a state, does not respect their people as their right to exist. so how do we get a cease-fire then? >> this is precisely one of the bigger problems in terms of the other way around. israel has never recognized palestine's right to exist. this current coalition consists of members who call for the ethnic cleansing of palestinians. so it's not just a one-way street, it's actually a two-way street. this is why i think it's very important to move forward to start talking about an international protection force to be able to protect palestinian civilians. if you look at the gaza strip and the makeup of the gaza strip, 43% of the population is under the age of 14. the israelis are bombing a refugee stateless child population. >> you know, they have been propping leaflets as we

understand warning gaza residents to flee their homes. are they? >> there are some laefer leafle are dropped but where are these people going to go. there is no safe haven. we don't have bomb shelters. we don't have any place for people to go to. at the end of the day they're just going from one place that's being bombed to another place that's being bombed. and so while there may be some leaflets that are dropped, at the end of the day, everybody is the target in the gaza strip. >> so what happens next? >> i think the big thing is that we have to have some international support and get the international community involved to make sure this comes to an end not just now but forever, and i think it's important to recognize that this isn't violence just for the sake of violence, but this is the result of 47 years of the denial of freedom of the palestinians, and we have to begin to address these political issues now. >> we will have to leave it there with diana buttu. thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up, challenges on the border. a firsthand look at the steady stream of undocumented

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investigators now know more about this morning's deadly crash between a greyhound bus and a car on indiana interstate. the sheriff's office says the car involved was stolen and going the wrong way on i-70 east of indianapolis. it happened in richmond about 70 miles east of indianapolis. one person was killed, the driver of the car, and all 24 people on the bus were taken to a nearby hospital. most have been released. and here are some other stories we're following on this sunday. secretary of state john kerry is in geneva right now trying to

rescue negotiations with the iran over its nuclear program and warns there are still significant gaps between iran and the five world powers at the table. the date for a deal on kishing tehran's newark luclear program be extended. authorities in hours will start the process to refloat the wrecked "costa concordia." it hit a reef and crashed off a toss can island in january of 2012. 32 people were killed. the captain is on trial for manslaughter. and we now know just how much time lebron james will be spending in cleveland and how much cleveland is spending on him. the star forward has inked a two-year, $42 million contract. it looks like he will be a free sergeant again before you know it. a new look at the growing crisis on the u.s. border with mexico and the thousands of children coming into this country. many make the journey alone with no adult to look after them at

all. >> 970 units. >> reporter: riding with the u.s. border patrol in south texas, it doesn't take long to find a group of immigrants who have crossed the rio grande. >> how are you doing? >> reporter: they are all women and kids from honduras. among them, 7-year-old amy, a nervous little girl who says she's traveling without relatives hoping to find her mother in the united states. when asked where she lives, she shows the agents a piece of paper that indicates her mom is in north carolina. a few miles away in an area called devil's corner, we run into a larger group that seems exhausted from their ten-day journey. >> we've got a mixed bag here of folks from guatemala, el salvador, and honduras. >> reporter: after giving basic information to the agents, they're taken by bus to a processing center. back on the road, we hear about the apprehension of 19 more people who are awaiting transport when we arrive. the difference between this

group and the family units we have seen who turn themselves into the authorities is pretty obvious. first, they're older, mostly male, and they tried to hide from the authorities. agents use atvs and a helicopter to find them. the border patrol says it's added more than 300 agents recently in the rio grande valley and is starting to see fewer immigrants now. too early to tell if it's just temporary or the start of a downward trend. mark potter, nbc news, mission, texas. >> our thanks to nbc's mark potter. record cold temperatures, yes, i did say cold, are set to hit parts of the u.s. this week. our partners at now this news have a preview.

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the audio just went off on the tv for a second. you have germany coming off that epic win against brazil, and so this is a game expected to be watched by about a billion people worldwide. there are hundreds of packed into what's a pretty small bar here on new york's west side. >> well, you know, obviously we know it's a huge sports event the world over, but something else that's very, very interesting about this world cup final is we have two living popes from each country playing soccer and obviously the popes aren't playing soccer but their teams are. are people well aware of that? are they talking about it at all? >> i haven't heard a lot of people talking about it. they're here to watch the game but it's interesting. pope benedict from germany, pope francis from argentina. pope francis tweeted about the game earlier. we haven't heard they will be watching it together or anything. but, you know, you have all sorts of backstories. a huge rivalry and a lot of

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an update now on that developing story out of the middle east. israel's prime minister struck a defyian tont today as the exchange of rocket and missile fire between israel and gaza continues to strike fear along civilians. benjamin netanyahu told his cabinet today the israeli military is prepared for all possibilities, quote. we will continue to act to achieve the goal of the operation, the restoration of quiet for a long period while inflicting a significant blow on hamas and the other terrorist organizations in the gaza strip.

nbc news special correspondent martin fletcher is in tel aviv. martin, what is the israeli government likely to do next? >> reporter: well, they're standing by to give the green light to the army for the ground invasion of gaza, but it's something that the government is divided about. there's a bit of split among ministers. the more hawkish ministers want the army to go in now. others do not. the army apparently is saying that if they're going to really inflict long-term damage on hamas, there will have to be a ground invasion. israel has called up 38,000 reserves who have joined the standing army. they're all gathered around the border with gaza waiting for that green light. meanwhile, israel is continuing to pound gaza from the air. the significant development has been that the israelis dropped leaflets on the northern gaza strip telling the residents, ordering the residents to leave

their homes. they say they're going to strike that urban area because the israelis say that's where about 38% of all the rocket launches against israel have been fired from. israel says those rocket launches are in urban areas, in schools, underneath buildings, near mosques, and they say they have no choice but to attack those areas. but the united nations says about 4,000 palestinians have left out of a population of about 70,000 in that area. so there's still a lot of palestinians in that area that israel says it will start to hit very strongly. in a briefing to some of the foreign media by telephone, a senior military official, an israeli, said that israel would, quote, strike with might starting sunday evening. that's about now. so we're all waiting to see what that really means. does that mean more attacks from the air? more attacks from the sea? or does it herald the beginning of a ground invasion? we're not sure. we're waiting to see, melissa. >> how do the israeli people feel? are they behind the government

on a ground invasion? >> reporter: well, i think most are. there is certainly a consensus that the government needs to do what it has to do to stop the rockets from hamas, but there is a significant left wing, if you like, to call it left wing orientation among the people that says this is all pointless. fighting hamas in gaza, killing them every so often really doesn't do the job. what we need is some kind of real existence. you know, this is the third mini war between israel and hamas in five years. three in five years. they have this phrase mowing the grass that every so often they have to go into gaza to limit the strength of hamas. now the right wing are using another metaphor saying mowing the grass is no good. they say we have to pull out the weeds. it's just playing with words. but the bottom line is israel is not really sure what to do. the people for the most part support the government if a ground invasion takes place, but

the reality is that a ground invasion of gaza unless israel stays there will not achieve anything -- won't achieve much in the long run, and staying there is not really an option. >> martin fletcher in tel aviv. thank you and stay safe. >> reporter: thank you. a new report from the economic policy institute thursday found morning a million tipped workers such as waiters are earning less than $7.25 minimum wage, but another segment of american workers, those with disabilities in many cases earn less than $1. mississippi congressman craig harper has introduced the fair wages for workers with disabilities act. harper said in his statement, this issue is not about increasing the minimum wage. it's about reversing the years of discrimination and backward thinking about the capacity of workers with disabilities. let's bring in o'neil lewis, from the national institute for the blind's jurnigan institute.

he became blind as a young ad t adult. he joins us now. why are companies permitted to pay workers with disabilities less? >> when the law was passed it was believed people with disabilities lacked the capacity to be equal laborers. this exemption was provided to allow people with disabilities to allow in some type of work although they were assumed not to be productive. >> a report in the baltimore sun said employers offered justification for the low wages. to some these workers with developmental disabilities are getting valuable on the job training and the self-respect that comes with employment. others say they're being exploited because wages in one facility operated by a nonprofit are as low as 25 cents an hour. >> the right side is believing in the full capacity of people with disabilities.

the national federation of the blind, we believe blindness is not the characteristic that defines our future but people thinks people with disabilities are less capability. you fall into the trap of the marketing of these entities that choose to pay less than minimum wage. we have seen other entities that have adopted the new business model that are taking the same individuals, providing them quality training and support and allowing them to actually acquire a skill so they can earn minute wage and sometimes more. >> that baltimore sun report also cited an example of some disabled workers being maid a p -- paid a penny an hour. >> of the 400,000 people currently being paid sub minimum wages, 50% of being paid less than half the minimum wage and 25% of paid less than $1 an hour. >> an examination of sub minimum wage employment across new york state by the central new york media group found this, federal documents show deficiencies in

federal oversight over sub minimum wage employment allowing workers to receive lower pay for disabilities that have no apparent connection to the jobs they perform. how can oversight be improved in your opinion to make certain workers with disabilities are not exploited? >> i think oversight is the wrong answer. how can you provide proper oversight for a discriminatory policy? it's like saying if we would have still had slavery, if we had the proper enforcement body, slavery would not have been offensive. >> o'neil lewis from the national institute for the blind, thank you. up next, creating electrifying music literally. i'll talk to the creator of a new instrument that creates electricity while you play it. that is today's "big idea." bek for $175 dollars a month? yup. all five of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line anytime for 15 bucks a month. low dues... great terms... let's close.

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electricity. 12 minutes of shaking or jamming out if you want to, gets you one hour of electricity. enough to not only plug in a light but charge a cell phone. we have the creator of the spark. she joining us now with a great idea if i do say so myself. you have the spark with us. before we do anything else, can you show us how it works? >> i certainly can, melissa. this is spark. i'm holding it up right now, and i'm going to give you a demonstration. >> okay. >> so it looks like a coconut, it sounds like a maraca. i get it. and 12 minutes of that not only will you have great arm muscles but electricity. >> exactly. so the idea is once you've done a bit of music jamming, you can literally plug in a light into a battery which is inside the instrument and you have light. >> okay. >> this is first prototype. in our next protoprototype, we'

also be able to charge up a mobile telephone. >> tell us everything that was behind how you came up with this and why. >> well, as you're aware, i'm a musician. as you say, i have worked with people like the spice girls and faithless, and i'd always wondered when i would stand on stage performing in front of hundreds of thousands of people, i'd always wonder if anything could be done with that energy, whether any of that energy could be harnessed and used. i did some research, i took some time out from touring and low and behold, we have spark. >> who did you have in mind when you created it? >> a whole range of people. here in the west i had in mind kids at school, people at music festivals, musicians like myself. and also people in areas that don't have electricity, so spark is going to be launched in kenya as a first place. >> you've tested the prototype

already in some communities it could possibly help. what did you find? >> we found that spark was incredibly useful in areas like kenya where 75% of people live off the grid and have no electricity. spark was able to have a real impact on their lives. children would take spark home after playing music in class and have at least one hour of light at home to study, to read books, also their parents could do household chores. the impact was really, really massive. >> so one hour of electricity obviously doesn't sound like a lot but it's better than nothing. how do you make it more efficient? >> we already know how to make it more efficient. like i say, this is prototype one. the beauty about spark though is that it has a battery that stores the energy. so if i want to play for three

minutes in the morning, three minutes at lunchtime, three minutes at night and i don't use the power to plug in my lights, the power will still remain the following day, so it will accumulate, which is great. so the battery can store 20 hours of electricity so far, but we know we can get that better. >> and we know you're idea was crowd funded through kickstarter and used successful. you met your goal three days ago. >> i did, yes. >> congratulations on that. how close do you think you are to getting it in the hands of the people who really need it? >> we're hoping it will take just under a year. we're hoping it will take nine months for us to get it manufactured for all the research and development to be finished, and distributed to those people who need it. >> you've worked with the spice girls. do you see any professional muti musicians using this as an actual instrument? >> funnily enough, this

prototype has mel c.'s signature on it. it's good you mention that. she's actually behind this project. there's a number of artists coming together who are really in support of this. this is about musicians coming together to use our power to put it back into those who don't have any, but also to celebrate the fact that we can create power through music and a joyful way of creating electricity. >> i think it's great, and best of luck to you with your project. thank you very much. >> thanks so much, melissa. thank you. >> do you have a big idea that's making a difference? tell bus it by e-mailing us at bigidea@msnbc@msbuni.com. a live look at the crowd watching in copacabana beach. germany and argentina are scoreless as the first half comes to an end. argentina fans in new york city thought they had a goal.

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if you don't stop the bleeding, if you don't staunch this flow of individuals that are coming up here, this is only going to get worse, and at that particular point in time the size of this crisis is even going to be more monumental. >> that was texas governor rick perry this morning on the crisis in the southern border. now, the first step toward a possible fix is in the hands of congress. president obama has asked lawmakers for nearly $4 billion in emergency funding. the money would beef up the border patrol and allow for

speedier prosecutions and deportations of adults with children, but with congress divided as ever and just 12 working days left before the august recess, will anything actually get done? here in the brain trust is chuck roacha, msnbc contributor victoria defrancesco de soto and emily hayes. is congress ready to pass this funding? >> congress is scared of itself. there's one reason their approval rate something less than 10%, it's because they can't get anything done. we have a hue tannian crisis on the border. when you're talking about the most vulnerable among us in all the world,s had something that should be easy. in 2008 we had a nonpartisan bill passed by both houses and signed by president bush. they said when children come here fearing their life we'll put them through a process and make sure we don't put them back in harm's way. they will come back and seek ramifications politically if

they don't do the right thing because latinos like me second and third generations do not like the way they're demonizing the children. >> we heard speaker boehner this week the crisis is of the president's own making but indicating he's willing to consider the president's request for $3.7 billion. could that come back to haunt him if he's unable to get his republicans money passed. >> what's frustrating here there's no one cause to the problem. you see speaker boehner it's obama's fault. this is a problem that goes back decades. that being said if we do want to solve this problem, both republicans and democrats are going to have to put stalemate aside and come together and put that money forward in order to unclog the bureaucratic process. it's not a sexy solution. it's not photo op in terms of putting more boots on the ground. but saying these kids are here for whatever reason how will we process them justly and

humanely. that's what we'll have to see going forward and in the next two weeks something will come about. >> mike rogers was on "meet the press" this morning. let's listen to what he had to say. >> the president has tools in his tool box that he can do immediately to stop this. he needs to reengage, gets folks who are doing administrative work on the border. they need to make sure they send a very clear signal. >> amy, aren't republicans always criticizing the president for doing things without congress? that seems to be what rogers is suggesting the president do. >> no, he's suggesting that the president exercise his constitutional authority as commander-in-chief to secure our borders. but i agree with victoria we need this short term crisis solution to these children that are languishing in these dreadful conditions. my boss is sending humanitarian supplies to help these children. john boehner, the speaker of the

house has said this week he intends to bring a bill to the house floor to vote on before the august recess. they are examining the president's bill. he said he won't rubber stamp it. senator marco rubio said there's a lot of pork in there that has nothing to do with what's going on at the border. having to do with wildfires. they want to see security measures beefed up. in the meantime children that are here and suffering terrible health effects, being crammed into these detention centers we need to address that. we need congress to aas lot the money. >> what kind of a country do we want to be. how do you balance being a humanitarian country but a place that can't absorb this amount of immigrants? >> obviously we are a sovereign country, and as a sovereign country it's our right to protect our borders. that being said we're a democratic country, we're a city

on the hill. when we are standing here and we're seeing this humanitarian crisis of women and children it's our american value to embrace these children and understand that they need due process. a big chunk of them will obvioiusly will be deported. for those who need refugee status we need to grant them that status. the united states should be exemplary in this role and regrettably we're not doing that. >> how are you seeing debate play out in communities outside of washington, d.c. and away from the border. >> we've seen local citizens having very strong reactions to buses coming in to their community. we've seen african-american citizens who are making the argument look, illegal immigration, that's what we're talking about, illegal immigration undercuts the labor cut for low wage workers here in the united states. we have an unemployment rate for african-americans over 11%. researchers from the brookings

institute, a law professor has looked at this question as well and how it impacts american citizens right here at home who are low wage workers with very low skills having those jobs competed away by illegal immigrants flooded across our borders. let's remember this crisis right now is a spike in illegal immigration. much higher than it has been in years past. 52,000 unaccompanied minors that have come across the border. we're looking at a humanitarian crisis. i'm sorry the president of the united states didn't go down to the border as a fact finding mission to understand the problem more fully. >> we heard from attorney general eric holder this morning he responded to spoker boehner's lawsuit against president obama saying it doesn't have legs. there's talks this suit is an effort to energize the base before the fall. is that a legitimate argument? >> very legitimate. there's 40 million less people that will vote in an off year election. you'll get the base of the left and the base of the right to

come out and vote and this will circle back around to the immigration debate. you've seen some of the most vicious attacks happening right now around these children and a broken immigration system. you've seen the best and worst of america. rio grande catholic charities gathering around. but then you've seen what happened in murrieta and people saying hateful things. this is driven by the politics of an off year election. we're not a political football with this immigration system. >> the attorney general also slammed sarah palin who called this week for the president's impeachment. victoria to what end are we seeing all of this gridlock >> when we see sarah palin re-emerge it's a bit of a theater practice that we're seeing, and getting back to being what, three, four months out of the election. pumping up the base. so i think what sarah palin is doing here is she's working towards getting that extreme

right pumped up to turn out and vote. is there any there with this impeachment process? absolutely not. even speaker boehner said we're not going there. but sarah palin likes her five minutes of fame every couple of months so i'm not surprised. >> amy with 30 second left to go can you give us your opinion. >> on sarah palin's call for elm pachment? it's going nowhere. for sarah palin's motivation she only knows. she's not an elected member of the republican party. she's not a sitting member of congress nor is she governor of alaska any more. i think we should just take them as her words speaking for herself. >> chuck, victor gentleman, amy thanks to all of you for being here with us in our brain trust. that's our show. thank you for watching this sunday afternoon. we'll be back next saturday at 2:00 eastern. check the premier of jose

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