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he's at the door. >> in polk county florida buyers and sellers of sex had best beware. >> oh, my god. oh my god. >> chances are that trick on the other end of the line is an undercover cop. >> yeah, they're our girls. >> i knew it. >> and we're on tv? oh my god. >> welcome to polk county. if you come to this county, you're going to get the full effect and force of the law. >> tonight msnbc returns to polk
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koent florida where investigators uncover a way ward minister's temptation for young girls. >> they need to go to prison for a long time. >> you have the right to remain silent, sir. >> i'm going to lock you up and i'm going to talk about how you were going to engage a child in sex. you're a bad person. >> have you ever had sex with a minor before? >> no, never. never. look inny eyes. never. >> did you want to have sex with a minor? >> no, no. in central florida, msnbc was granted exclusive access to a human trafficking sting run by the sheriff's police of polk koe county. we captured a massive law
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enforcement effort netting 90 arrests in four days including 12 pimps and this man a 45-year-old youth minister who came looking to buy sex with a 14-year-old girl. >> what brings you to florida? >> a business trip. >> police here know human trafficking is alive and well in the 21st century. >> it's scary. if you're naive enough to think it's just here, you're wrong. >> the driving force behind sting operations like these is polk county sheriff grady judd. >> we wear them out. >> he knows many people if not most see prostitution as a victimless crime. he tells our producers he's out to change their minds. >> grace, if they could spend one evening with you and me in an undercover location, they would change their entire attitude. they would find out this is not
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two consenting adults. they would see the pimp in the parking lot. they would see how he takes advantage of her, how he has complete control of her life. she's property. she's property to be bartered with, to be sold. >> to begin the operation, sheriff's investigators set up in a polk county hotel. undercover agents browse internet sites. >> is that you in the pictures? >> and invite women for higher up to the hotel for a date. >> if you want bare back or something like that it's going to be extra. >> at the same time, female undercovers post fake sex ads online. this undercover has a john on the hook. just before 5:00 p.m. he arrives. the man enters the room in eager anticipation of a good time
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unaware sheriff's investigators are watching his ever move. after small talk, a deal for sex is struck and arresting officers move in. >> get your hands out of your pockets. >> the man in custody is a 50-year-old from nearby orlando. it's his second arrest for prostitution. but his first opportunity to meet sheriff judd. >> where you from? >> orlando. >> you're not from polk county? >> no. >> we put y'all in jail for this kind of stuff over here. when you get out of jail if you're going to violate the law, don't come back. >> he's shuttled across the hallway for processing while they set the trap for the next john. >> it's a little after 5:30 when he arrives. once again, all eyes are on a
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man unaware he is about to be stung. as soon as the deal is made, arresting officers move in. >> oh, my god. oh my god. >> you're going to be okay. >> i've been ruined. >> stand up. chill out. keep your hands -- place them behind your back. >> oh my god. >> stand up. take a look at me. >> hey. hey. chill out. >> oh, my god. oh, my god. oh, my god. i'm so stupid. >> you just made a mistake. calm down. take a deep breath. i need you to listen to me, okay? do you have anything illegal on you? >> no, i don't. i don't. >> meet patrick, a 39-year-old man from orlando. unlike the previous john, he was well aware that he was playing with fire in polk county. >> where you from?
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>> right down the road. i'm so stupid. i don't know what i was thinking. something i wanted to try. i know. i see you on tv. you're an excellent sheriff. i don't know what i was thinking. >> are you married? >> i just gotten gauged -- engaged last week. it's all ruined. i don't know what i was thinking. >> he turns on the charm in a last ditch bid to avoid jail. >> i hope this is a good hard warning because i have learned my lesson clearly. and you are adamant about this. i know you're are. i'm not being a kiss up or anything. i know you guys are outstand. >> you know we put people in jail for doing that in this county. >> i know. let it go and it's going to ruin my life. it really is. >> you know i don't let people
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go. >> my god. i am so -- my -- it's over. >> his concern that his life will be ruined by a misdemeanor prostitution arrest is somewhat debatable. >> as long as you stay cool and calm, you're going to be okay. >> it's true the sheriff wants to make one thing clear. >> you don't have an ounce of sympathy for the guy. >> he ruined his own life. i didn't handcuff him and drag him through that hotel lobby and throw him into that room with a prostitute and say, now pay her and have sex. you did that on your own. you sought that girl out. well, buddy, you're going to get the full effect and force of the law. complete with a trip to the county jail. and your picture on our jail website and a media release done about you. and quite frankly, maybe for
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every john i embarrass, i scare off a hundred more from doing what they shouldn't do, at least in this county. why would you have to pay somebody just to hang out? >> some people do that. some people just want the company of a beautiful female. of course, he's wearing red pants with an orange shirt. his cashier says "if you squint you don't even notice it". what?! use a liberty mutual approved repair shop and all repairs are guaranteed for as long as you own your car. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance.
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wants to run free, all you have to do is let it out. find your inner minion only at the despicable me minion mayhem ride at universal studios hollywood. on a warm evening in central florida, polk sheriff's police have turned an ordinary roadside hotel into a trap for buyers and sellers of sex. these women have a date with a man in room 207 unaware he's an undercover cop and their ever word and deed are being recorded by police. as soon as the ground rules for
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sex are set and the money changes hands, sheriff's deputies move in for the arrest. 20-year-old alexandria and 25-year-old renee came up from tampa. both have lengthy wrap sheets with arrest for theft, assault and battery and unlawful possession of a firearm. but tonight is their first arrest for prostitution. >> where did you put the money? >> in recovering the money, police notice the women are flush with additional cash, an indication that this was probably not their first appointment of the evening. >> he's in the parking lot. >> meanwhile, deputies spot a man sitting in the car that delivered the women. they suspect that he may be their pimp. >> hands up. >> the 24-year-old appears to be stunned by the arrest. >> wow. >> police suspect he may be
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high. >> you rolling a blunt? >> you know k 2 is illegal in the state of n fl, right. >> but he admits to spoking spice, a synthetic marijuana. illegal in polk county. like the women with who he traveled, he sports a long criminal history including car theft, drug trafficking and domestic violent. >> he's bringing the parking lot guy up. >> they march him upstairs to join his female friends for processing. alexandria tells police she was unaware that anything sexual was supposed to occur. >> you came up here to do what for $300? >> it was supposed to be just for time. hanging out. >> she says she was just tagging along with her friend renee who makes arrangements to hang out with men for money.
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>> why would you do that? >> i never said anything sexual -- if you ask him, he'll tell you. i never said anything sexual out of my mouth. >> i did ask him. both of you agreed to come up here for sex with both of y'all for 300 bucks. >> i know you don't want to talk to me, i still need to get your name and address. >> her partner renee does reveal that she's five weeks pregnant and she claims that her travelingpanion is the father. >> is that your baby? >> yes. >> he says he has no idea what's happening or why they are all under arrest. >> is that your girlfriend? >> yeah, that's her. >> i'm ready to be a star in your private show. real and determined to please. >> i don't know nothing about that. i wouldn't know nothing about what they put on there. >> how many times have you given your girlfriend or these girls
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rides to hotels to meet guys just randomly. how many times have you done that? if they were just coming up here to meet somebody and it wasn't a big deal, why would they need you to be security for them? >> footman gives up nothing. if he is profiting from their labor, he is not about to admit it tonight. instead, he tries to disconnect himself from the women and their actions. >> did i know what they was doing? okay, no. all they do is ask me did i want a ride. yes. >> wesley, do you know that that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever? >> without the cooperation of the women, police do not have enough evidence to charge wesley with pinching tonight. >> but he won't be getting off scott free. >> when you ride with somebody whether you're getting paid or not and you're providing security for them, it's called aid and abetting. that's illegal. that's why you're going to jail.
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>> even if i'm riding? >> yeah. >> not knowing where they was going. >> you knew where they was going. >> actually i was sleeping in the car. >> you knew where they were going. >> i'm being real with y'all. >> no, you're not being real. >> footman and his female friends are bound for the county jail. >> look at these beautiful ladies. >> but not before our producer has a chance to ask them a few questions. >> what are you doing here? you're pregnant. >> alexandria does have a few things she wants to make clear. >> i'm sure you didn't get into this on your own. >> i'm definitely not a sex slave that's for sure. >> first and foremost, she insists she's a free agent. >> have you ever had a pimp? >> no. >> never? >> never had a pimp. never going to have one. never going to happen. >> investigators believe that alexandria may be telling the
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truth about never having a pimp before. >> do you know what a popcorn pimp is? >> nope. >> but they also suspect that she's being recruited and groomed by footman and his girlfriend renee. >> i'm not woman pimp, trafficking nothing. >> that's not you? >> my mom didn't raise me that way. >> footman insists he is not a pimp, but he admits to a troubling history of desk violent. >> with your wife? >> yeah, we had a lot of troubles. been with her four and a half years. >> you did hit her? >> yeah, but that was like in the past. but not -- no time recently, no. >> have you ever hit a woman besides your wife? >> yeah. i've been accused of it. >> yeah? >> yeah. >> who are you accused of hitting? >> i can't say quite a few females but it only happened
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like once or twice. >> none of the females in the other room, though, right? >> no. >> whatever the arrangement, alexandria is not asking for help tonight. she shows little sympathy for other girls and young women caught up in the underground trade. >> i think it's their decision. >> they're responsible for what happens to them. >> i wouldn't say all of them are responsible, but some of them are gullible and naive enough so that's what happens. i knew it. and we're on tv? >> ain't that about a [ bleep ]. >> oh, my god. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day
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>> shortly before 8:00 p.m. they arrive. >> two girls are coming up now. >> after small talk, a business deal is struck. $350 in exchange for half an hour of three-way sex. >> you got charges now on both of them. >> i knew it. i just knew it. and we're on tv? >> ain't that about a [ bleep ]. >> oh, my god. >> the women in custody are a 20-year-old and 19-year-old. they each have prior arrests for marijuana possession, but none for soliciting. haley sports a sizable tattoo. a type of branding em blasonned on her right thigh. a typical indication she may be working for a pimp and holds status in his stable of women.
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haley seems to take the arrest harder, perhaps because she fears her pimp will exact a toll upon her for tonight's lost business. >> i'm not going to be able to get out. >> she scrambles into the bathroom to vomit. >> is she on any medication or anything like that? >> interesting, it's the younger girl who seems to possess the cool to calm haley down. the women are walked across the hall and processed for charges. >> what was the deal for over there? >> he asked if he could touch us and we could touch each other and we said yeah. >> for how much? >> 350. >> so basically sex for 350 bucks. >> yes. >> haley doesn't say much to detectives, but she does respond to our producer's questions about her tattoo and apparent pride in working for a 3i6r7. >> you work so hard for your
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money, why would you let somebody else have it? >> because you feel like you're part of something. >> her companion is a bit more forth coming with detectives, especially when she learns she has landed in polk county. >> why did you come all the way up here. >> is this polk county? ain't that about a bitch. >> tell me what you know about polk county. >> you're always on tv for arresting [ bleep ]. >> she tells police she is not proud of what she's doing, but right now she says it's paying the bills. >> this is not a hobby. it makes ends meet. i'm only 19. i wasn't planning on doing this forever. >> i know. and now's your time to stop. it's time to turn around. >> like haley, she doesn't
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divulge much to the police. >> that's my baby right there. >> once the pair is together in the holding room, they begin to relax and offer more details of their life in the game. >> we were going to take this call, this was our last one, our last one, bro. >> they say they were working tonight without their pimp's knowledge because they were trying to raise enough cash to ditch him. >> the 350 would have paid for gas, tolls and food and we would have been ones road to her mother's house, not having to worry about none of this and we were going to leave him. >> they say they first met about a year prior when haley's pimp sold her. >> he was going to sell me to her pimp. they had this whole ulterior motive and nobody told me on the way down there. >> really? >> i get there and he's like, okay, bye. >> he was selling you for money?
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>> yeah. >> how much money? >> he was going to get $5,000 every month for me. >> the women say they became fast friends when they moved into the pimp's mansion outside tampa. it's an experience that they seem to recall fondly. >> so how many were in the stable with you? >> oh. >> at one time? >> there were 11. >> there were like eight to 12 girls at a time. >> you were not living together were you? >> we all had our own rooms and everything. i had a bathroom in my room. >> nice foreign cars in the driveway. >> what? >> a clothes factory. >> to make the stripper outfits. like, we owned stores and everything. >> it might seem odd to some that these young women are so candid about their situation, but one thing soon becomes clear, their bond of sisterhood is genuine. on one occasion, they were
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arrested for marijuana possession and their pimp refused to post bond for haley. but she chose to stay in jail with her. >> both of you were in jail for 17 days. >> i was supposed to get bailed out. >> she stayed with me. i have seizures so she witnesses them a lot. she didn't want to let me sit in there. >> you have especialpilepsyepil? this lifestyle doesn't seem like it would be good for somebody with epilepsy. >> i mean -- >> it's not good for anyone. >> it's not good period or else i wouldn't be sitting here. if the government didn't care what i did with my body, this would a good thing. >> unfortunately, these young women are not listening to any advice about changing their ways tonight. at 19 and 21, they're both high earners and still too steeped in the trappings that often decorate life in the early stages of the game. >> what are your top five
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possessions. >> why heels? >> which are how much? >> they cost $2,800. >> you don't know what those are? >> yes, i do. >> it's just like, well, you can make a lot of money, it's tax free and it's real easy and you can work your way through college or this is not too bad. that's just the hook. >> so what do you do to get somebody to buy you 2,800 shoes? >> you don't say no. >> you don't say no? >> they groom them in this lifestyle and this is how you get to be, you know, a movie star and this is how you get to be in the lights and this is how you get to start your career in music and this is how you end up living in the two-story mansion with a big cars in the garage and it's all a facade. it's all a facade.
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here's what's happening. in florida tonight, around 120 passengers were evacuated from a wallet disney mono rail train. they could not confirm whether lightning was the cause or not. in oklahoma, there was seven small earthquakes 14 hours. and dawn of the planet of the apes came in on top this weekend at the box office. back to msnbc undercover. if you come to polk koebt
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florida looking to buy or sell sex, chances are good that you will get a personal tour of the county jail. and if you're lucky, you may even get to meet the sheriff in person. >> welcome to polk county. >> one thing's for sure in this jurisdiction, you will never know when the woman you're buying or the man you're soliciting is actually an undercover cop. this undercover is in contact with a woman who calls herself nickie and advertises that she is ready to play. it's 8:45 when she arrives and makes her way up to the sting room. while nickie and the undercover make small talk, a would be john arrives at the hotel creating an all too common traffic problem for investigators. >> there's a white male with dark pants walking to the front. >> all right. you might have a couple on top of each other. >> this would be john is unusually cautious.
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before committing himself, he stops outside the room and listens through the door. >> do we have charges on him? >> we can only assume that what he hears through the door is enough to rattle him and scare him away. unfortunately investigators do not have charges on him yet, so they must let him walk. meanwhile, the undercover and nickie agree to swap money for sex. >> all right. >> and arresting officers move in for the caller. >> stabbed up. >> the woman selling herself as nickie is actually a 23-year-old from the suburbs of detroit. >> so listen, what's going to happen guys? >> she has prior arrests in michigan for prostitution and possession of narcotics. >> it's not the end of the world. lots of good people make bad decisions. >> oh, my god. i knew this was going to happen. i had a feeling.
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he was too cute -- he's too cute. he can go get it. >> what else did you guys catch? >> she moved into the processing room where she gives up the details of her deal with the undercover. >> he called me and wanted me to come hang out with him, so i came. he didn't give me any money or nothing. >> what did he say he was going to give you? >> he said he was going to give me money. >> how much? >> like $220. >> okay. what was he wanting in exchange for that? >> he -- well, he didn't say. >> you didn't talk about having sex and anal sex with him. he brought it up with me at the room. >> did you say that you would do that? >> i said just go pay the cab driver. >> getting the truth from her is difficult, but slowly she begins to reveal more about her troubled history in the underground sex trade. >> how many time versus you done this before? >> how many times have i got
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caught? >> no, how many times have you done it? >> i don't know. >> how many times have you got caught? >> this is the third time. do you think the judge is going to give me time? >> i'm pretty sure. >> as reality begins to set in, the thought of a return to jail prompts her first expression of remorse. not for soliciting but for disappointing her mother. >> what is she going to say? her heart's going to be broke again. >> why do you keep doing it? >> because it's such easy money. >> because it's easy money? >> at the same time, detectives combing through her purse discover something that appears to be a crack pipe. they swab it with a chemical reagent to test for narcotics. >> that's not mine. i don't smoke crack. >> who said there was crack in there. >> because it's a crack pipe. i'm not dumb.
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>> there could be meth in there. >> it's a positive reaction for crack cocaine. right there. >> you know what, i don't care. i'm just going to let you know i'm a drug addict. i'm in recovery. relapsed. and i'm mom's going to kill me. >> relapsed on cocaine? >> i did smoke crack before, yeah. >> and just like that, she picks up one more charge for narcotics. >> so i'm getting a possession of cocaine? >> why do you act so surprised when you have this stuff on you, you do the things, when you get caught for it, you talk to me like it's somebody else's fault but your own? you just frustrated? >> yeah. >> i can understand that. >> you know how many times i've been down this road? do you have any clue. >> why do you keep going down that road? >> like, i can't even tell you
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how many times i've been arrested. i can't even begin to tell you. >> when does it stop? >> i can't -- >> how does it stop? is that maybe a decision you need to make for yourself? >> oh, my god. i need to talk to my mom. >> her predicament is all too common in the underground sex trade. many women work simply to finance a drug habit and many use drugs to numb the psychological pain of selling themselves. it becomes a vision and tragic cycle. she's placed in the holding tank with the others arrested tonight. she tells the producer that the attempts to restart her life in florida have fail sfwld so you came out here to start all over? >> yeah. >> what happened? >> i know, my mom's going to kill me. i don't even know where i'm at right now. i haven't even been here three weeks. >> why did you do it? >> it's easy money. >> like haley and the other
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girls before her, vee na was first lured into the game by a promise of easy money. after multiple run-ins with the law, she's beginning to learn there's no such thing in the underground sex trade. okay. he's coming in the front door. >> okay. take it. >> go. >> so what do you think is going to happen to him? >> i hope he goes to prison. you have someone that's going to travel to have sex with a child, they need to go to prison for a long time. jesse don't go! jesse...no! i'm sorry daisy, but i'm a loner. and a loner gotta be alone. heee yawww! geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. jesse?
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into a dragnet. but this undercover is taking a slightly different tact. he's posing online with a pimp with juveniles to sell or trade. >> kind of that i have experienced girls and -- but i'm looking to bring in new girls or if you're looking for girls that, you know, we can trade out basically. my goal is to find girls being sex trafficked and essentially bait the people who are holding them. >> it's an unusual strategy that first occurred to him during a previous operation when dealing with a john looking for sex with a minor. >> i explained to him that she was 14 years old. then i get approached with him saying something to the effect of, have you ever thought of selling her. >> the man on the other end of the phone in that operation was 30-year-old warren white, an active duty naval officer.
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>> he wanted to spend i believe it was 1,500 and he didn't have all the money right then. i jokingly said you can make a blank check out to cash and i'll deposit it later thinking the conversation would end because he was joking. and he came up with the alternative of basically, you know, what about a payment plan. so in essence he was financing a human being for sex trafficking. we ended up agreeing on an installment plan. that he would come to the residence and basically try her out, make sure it is what he wanted and from there, he would take possession of her and give me a down payment and we would arrange for future payments. >> on june 12th, 2012, white showed up at ahn undercover location thinking he was going to purchase a minor for sexual servitude. instead, he was confronted by
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polk county sheriff's deputies and placed under arrest. >> what brought you here tonight? >> i frequently answer ads. >> the case was adjudicated in military court where a judge sent white to prison for 15 years. still, the would be predator went down without expressing any remorse for his scheme. >> while he was being held, he actually kept a journal talking about -- basically confessing of everything he did and how he didn't feel that what he had done was all that wrong. >> braced by the knowledge that there are many more warren whites out there, these investigators routinely troll the internet, setting traps for any and all that would prey upon children. it's about 5:30 p.m. when they get a call from an interested party. >> i have experienced girls that are pretty young. i have a couple of them, i didn't know if you were looking
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to try to take possession of girls or looking for a one-night thing. >> the caller doesn't express interest in taking possession of a girl, but he's definitely curious about one young girl pictured in the online ad. >> i guess you saw the girl. that's amy. she's my adopted niece. she's 14. i know what she does, but i just try to give he protection and everything. >> in speaking with him, i told him, hey, the girl in the ad, she's 14 years old. and the conversation went from there as to what services he wanted. he agreed. he asked for the address. we agreed on a price. >> here's the address to the hotel. >> a price of $300 is set in exchange for an hour of sex with a juvenile. the would be john says he will think it over and call back. >> he may just be wanting to get a blow job from her, but -- >> from a 14-year-old?
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>> yeah. >> it's not shocking. it kind of is the routine, if you will, when we do one of these operations. it's just a matter of time before you have that person you're talking to that wants to enter into that type of relationship. >> it's just before 9:30 p.m. when sergeant daniel letters back. and this time, he means business. >> he's walking around in front of the building. >> outside, the surveillance team spots a man talking on his phone. >> looking up at the second floor. >> we're in room 207. >> it's the john and he's asking for the room number. >> all right. see you in a minute. >> he's coming in the front doors. >> police already have the evidence necessary for charges against the man because of his prior conversations with the undercover. >> so we're going to let him in the room and just take him. >> as soon as he enters the room, the trap will spring shut. >> i open the door for him and
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he walked in. and because everything -- all of our conversations prior to him arriving amounted to probable cause for his arrest, once he entered the room, the takedown team took him into custody without incident. >> okay. take him. >> do you have anything on you? any guns? >> the man in custody is from the san francisco bay area. he initially claims he works in computers. >> what brings you to florida? >> a business trip. >> what kind of business do you do? >> just talking to people and working with computer and stuff. >> i got you. >> as it happens, msnbc learns that he's no businessman. he's in fact a korean youth minister attending a baptist ministry conference in orlando where he gave a presentation about using social media to sect with young people. a quick check of his pockets reveals this crumpled admission
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ticket. evidence that the youft minister spent his afternoon in a nearby religious theme park before coming here to buy sex with a minor. police also recovered more than enough cash to cover the $300 price for sex that he negotiated over the phone with the undercover. >> is there any doubt in your mind that he knew she was 14? >> this was no doubt in my mind. i started the conversation off that way. i said, that's amy, she's 14. she was my adopted niece. i have custody of her. he said, okay, okay. i kind of reiterated throughout the conversation, she's in 8th grade, i need you to wear a condom. >> as a youth minister, he spends his days teaching teens about heaven. tonight, he's getting a taste of hell. bound for the polk county jail, he will be held to answer for
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[ male announcer ] tweet an expert and schedule a callback from any device. introducing the xfinity my account app. okay. take it. go. >> sheriff's police in polk county florida are conducting a human trafficking sting. >> any guns or weapons? >> the man in custody is a 45-year-old youth pastor from california. he was arrested for making a deal with an undercover officer posing as a pimp selling underage girls. the deal was $300 in exchange
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for sex with a minor. >> is there any doubt in your mind when he made that date that he knew she was 14? >> there was no doubt in my mind because i started the conversation off that way and reiterated it throw the conversation saying what grade she was in. >> after processing, he's placed in the holding room to await transport to jail. there, he finds himself on the hot seat with our producer and some of the other women arrested tonight. >> can i ask you what you were doing trolling back pages and reading ads looking for underage girls? >> i don't want to -- i don't want to be are you win -- i don't want my life to be ruined like this. it was a one-time mistake. >> wait a minute. so you don't want your life to be ruined but you were coming here to have sex with an 8th grader. >> i didn't hear she was -- what
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he was talking about. and i didn't hear that that was the case. >> i heard him say that she was specifically underage. >> he claims he didn't understand the deal he was making for $300 and says he was only browsing sex ads on back page because he wanted a massage. >> i was looking for massage. >> the other women in the room aren't buying it. >> you guys are professionals. do you believe this man? >> this isn't his first time. >> is this your first time paying for -- >> yeah, this is my first time. >> yeah, right! >> but that's -- but that's true. i had one experience in a massage -- >> ah ha. >> that's my experience. >> he admits to one prior sexual experience in a ma sablg parlor and goes onto admit he was
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hoping for something similar tonight. >> initially, all i want was massage. but then i got curious and i remember one time i got the happy ending. so i thought, okay, maybe i can get a happy ending there. >> don't you have kids, man? >> he admits to seeking sex for money but denies he intended to buy sex with a minor. >> so you assumed she was 18 or 19 years old, right? why is it okay for a 45-year-old guy to have sex with an 18 or 19-year-old. why does that make it better? why does that make it appropriate. that's the age of a child you could have. >> i want to just get a massage. i didn't think that was a big problem. >> have you ever had sex with a minor before? >> no, never. never. look in my eyes. i would never do that kind of thing. >> did you want to have sex with a minor? >> no, no. >> what do you think should happen to men who go online and
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deliberately buy a 14-year-old girl? i'm asking you. >> severe punishment. >> what punishment would you suggest? >> i don't know. >> he says he a married and has two young daughters. when asked what he might do if someone were to prey upon his own daughters. he suggests the ultimate punishment. >> probably kill him. >> right? >> yeah. >> the girls who are giving you a happy ending, they're not doing it because they want to. they're doing it because they have to. >> grace then urges him to stop and think deeper about the business his patronage is helping to prop up. >> do you have sympathy for the women or do you think they do it willingly because it's a career choice? >> i don't think -- i don't think their career choice. >> did you know that on back pages they sell women who have been tattooed and have to bring in a quo ta for men and who beat
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them and subject them to all kinds of violence. you can understand why the sheriff of this county takes the buying and selling of girls and women very seriously. >> that's good job. you guys should do that. >> you think he's going a good job? >> yeah, i think so. >> his arrest is just one of 22 made here tonight. but for veteran cops, the wayward minister is a significant catch. >> yeah, there are girls, to me, if we had not gotten anybody else but the guy that wanted -- that came for the 14-year-old, that would have been successful to me. >> so what do you think is going to happen to him? >> i hope he goes to prison. he obviously knew he was going for a child. he was told several times she was 14. you have someone going to travel to have sex with a child, they need to go to prison for a long time. >> the poster child today is samuel. >> shortly after his arrest,
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samuel was front and center? sheriff judd's press conference, in part to highlight the work being done by polk county investigators. but also to alert authorities and the public out in california where he had been working as a youth minister prior to his arrest. >> so the question is if he was willing to have sex with a child here, was he grooming and trying to have sex with children either in his church or in his community in california. >> you have the right to remain silent, sir. anything you say can be used against you. >> on may 12th, 2013, he posted bail and returned to the sfaens bay area. pending trial and further investigation, he was relieved of his duty by the church and prohibited from contact with minor. the congregation refused our request for further comment.
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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. an inmate defends himself against a violent attack. >> everybody step to your rooms. >> now authorities want to know if he took it too far. >> there's no longer an assault on you. now you're beating the hell out of him. >> while another inmate takes creative steps to send his love to the girlfriend he allegedly, accidentally shot.
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