and it's mario gshsotze the world cup for it's his 11th goal for germany. he will never, ever score a more valuable one. >> wow. good morning, everyone. it is monday, july 14th. did you all watch the match? >> i did. >> i know my family was. welcome to "morning joe." on set donny deutsche, chairman of deutsche incorporated. >> this doubles as a jacket and picnic table. >> that's a good point. i'll use that later. >> smart buy. >> donny is looking very handsome today and what can i say about that? so you are. the editorial of the national

journal ron fournier is with us. your second vacation? >> yes. i was deep in the woods in michigan. >> that sounds lovely, actually. in washington, pulitzer prize winner columnist and of "the washington post" and msnbc contributor, eugene robinson. >> armani. >> he has a pulitzer so they send you things. >> is that what it is? fantastic. it doesn't end there. they have a columnist and associate editor with "the washington post" david ignatius with us as well, along with willie, joe, and me. see, i called joe during the world cup yesterday. he pressed in. >> that is not true. >> no, it's all right. you totally ignore my phone calls when you're watching. >> it happens once every four

years. wait until halftime until the match is over. it was a great match, though, gene robinson. i know you're a soccer aficionado. what a great match. i always kind of thought the germans would win but it took them a while to put it away. >> it took them a while. it was a great match, it really was. it was a world cup final the way you should play it. you're not going to give up goals so the argentineans didn't try to run-and-gun with the germans and a mistake. they were defensive and they attacked and i thought they played really well, but the germans are just overwhelming right now. they are so good and so fast and so crisp. and it was a great goal. it was a great goal. >> it was amazing. >> no doubt about it and messi disappeared once again in a big game. we will talk to roger bennett! roger has gone big-time since world cup, willie geist, probably too big to talk with us

but thing we will not talk to him about is fellow liverpool owner king james returns. >> are you happy he is going back, willie? >> no, i didn't know we were going there. >> great commentary there, willie. >> i didn't know we were going lebron. certainly from a pr standpoint it was 180 degrees from what he did four years ago. he did it quietly and through "si" and thanked the right people and made the right move as donny pointed out. he looked at that roster and said in miami, that's a bunch of old guys that aren't going anywhere. i'm willing to go to cleveland and play with young guys and probably wait a couple of years to win an nba title but he made the right move himself but did it the right way. >> everybody is talking about this sacrificial move going back home. selfishly the right move to him.

is the king going backwards to willie's point? it's a young team. he looks like a hero. this is the right individual move, yet, he is being heralded for some reason. i find that interesting. >> he did do it well, didn't he? >> executed and brilliant going home, the whole deal. and as did carmelo in new york also. basically, my city, my town. everybody is cureated now and make announcements on their website and well organized and nobody is getting up in front 6 of a mike sake this is why i'm doing it. >> eric holder's response to sarah palin's comments. >> enough is enough of the years of abuse from this president. his unsecured border crisis for me is the last straw. makes a battered mom saying, enough. no more.

>> she was a potentially good vice presidential candidate but a worst judge who ought to be impeached and why. >> just say it. the attorney general weighed in on speaker john boehner's lawsuit against president obama saying it was a political gesture rather than a legal one and that the lawsuit won't have legs. joe, the attorney general saying what i think a lot of people on this set feel. it feels like people are scared to say anything bad about splar palin because of the draw she is. >> i don't know that anybody that is in a democratic party is afraid to talk about sarah palin. i guess the question is why are people still paying attention to sarah palin when she says the president of the united states should be impeached. i don't know any major conservative figure that would agree with her on that. many came out last week to suggest that is not the way to go and that was was absolutely wrong. one thing i want to push back

on. he went back to race and said the reason barack obama is being picked on is because of his race. that's very interesting for a man who worked in the clinton administration and saw the abuse bill clinton faced and i don't think he moved to the south of france during george w. bush's administration. bush also, of course, got absolutely smashed and torn to shreds for eight years by democrats but democrats don't realize that because they were the ones doing it. >> but, joe, that's not actually what he said, though. he said he thought that race was a factor, not the major factor, but a factor in some of the over the top criticism of president obama. and so that's different from saying, you know, the only reason that people criticize the president is because of race. i thought he was measured, if you read the entire quote. >> well, we have actually had this debate before, gene.

>> yeah, we have. >> so we will move along. >> right. >> i'll move along. alaska senator mark begich is feeling as much pressure as anybody. he is facing a tsunami of outside money and he is working hard to distance himself from president obama. in a new "the washington post" article, he brands himself as a nag to the white house. this could be an interesting campaign angle. the paper reports, quote, when begich talks about his role in american politics he describes himself as a sharp object sent to washington to jab at president obama. i'll be a thorn in his hhmm begich said in an interview. there is a time i'm a total thorn and he doesn't appreciate it. i know a couple of other candidates who could capitalize on actually having been a real thorn, but actually done something productive. joe? >> yeah. it's an interesting approach.

usually, a losing approach for candidates who try to distance themselves from the president because his opponent will find the 90 whatever percent times that he voted with barack obama. so it just suggests that he may be in trouble in alaska, i would think. >> well, he is. we see this every time we're in the sixth year of a president's term, especially when the president is unpopular. his party wants to distance themselves from the president but the problem is you can't. begich is a democrat and if he is going to make his campaign about the thorn in the side of president obama? he has to run on who he is and that distances himself so handily from the white house. >> well, i think you can have some contrast with the white house and you don't have to be a republican for that. i look at elizabeth warren. >> right. >> i think that she is not fighting the white house but she is certainly forging her own path. >> that's a much more subtle -- >> usually terms thorn in your

side there is a negativism i don't agree with him, i'm a contrarian on certain issues and here is where i step away from him versus the words thorn in his side is i'm here to stop you. >> sounds like he is scared. >> the public doesn't want that. they want party who are thorns. other than i'm the thorn in the side of the president. >> not the first thing he said. begich said a couple of months in may i want to make president obama irrelevant in the state of alaska. a theme of his campaign, talking about the president of his own party. let's move on here. scientists believe they may be able to detect the early onset of alzheimer's in our eyes and sense of smell. researchers are hopeful that changes to retina may indicate signs of alzheimer's. the part of our brain detects

odor is vulnerable to alzheimer's and to identify smells become early on. perhaps new hope there in that research. also "snl" tracy morgan is out of the hospital a month after critical injured in a car accident. he was in a luxury van when it was struck by a tractor-trailer. the driver of the walmart tractor-trailer has been charged. among announced he is suing walmart saying the company is partly responsible for the wreck. he says the driver was driving for 24 hours, was sleep deprived and fell asleep. an interview with pope francis is getting major headlines. the pontiff is quoted suggesting perhaps 2% of the church's clergy or 1 in 50 are pedophiles. the pope reportedly told an editor of an italian newspaper

the abuse of children is like a leprosy and the pope said the church must deal with the problem with the, quote, the severity it demands. joe? >> i was going to willie geist. you talk about this guy just keeps going there. now the vatican is pushing back on comments that the pope makes. >> yeah. it's pretty remarkable. he had victims of abuse in the church to the vatican which was a big step recently as well. a lot of people accuse the previous pope and the one before that being asleep at the switch on this issue. this pope is going out of his way to make sure that people know. by the way, people inside the catholic faith who wanted this for a long time that he will not be caught asleep at the switch on this issue. >> i'll say as a practicing catholic, it's great to see these quotes but two things. one, why is the vatican pushing back? who is speaking for the church

right now? i hope it's the pope and i hope these quotes are accurate. secondly like in politics and any institution that is failing right now you have to follow up with action. the numbers are shocking but not surprising. the church has to clean itself up quick. dawn of the "planet of the apes". >> yes. >> supposed to be a great movie. >> i don't get it. >> took in nearly $73 million at the weekend box office. 73 million. at least people go to the movies i guess. it beat the last debut of "planet of the apes." this is ridiculous. second place. melissa mccarthy comedy came in third. >> do you get the point we are past the age of 19 and people are not making movies for us? you got transformers and apes and we are out of the demo by decades. >> there is no need to go to the movies any more.

>> none. let's go to the big talk. turning to the middle east where thousands of palestinians are heeding the advice of israeli and evacuating their homes. the nun says 17,000 palestinians have reached shelters even though leaders of hamas urge residents not to leave northern gaza. israeli forces warned residents by leaflets and phone calls of a strike against hamas in that region. nbc martin fletcher joins us from tel aviv with the latest. >> reporter: hi, mika. israeli warned the residents to leave their home. about 17,000 heeded the warnings and now put up in schools. today israeli has rocketed those homes. 40 attacks today against that area. aiming the rocket launchers and the systems that fly the rockets against israeli. the palestinians fired about 40 rockets into israeli. it has heated up this morning to the background of peace talks

that are being mooted across the arab world. i would like to point out, you began your program talking about the world cup. the guns went silent last night for the world cup final. then there was -- when the game went into extra time, there was another half hour's reprieve. but for the residents of southern gaza, it was bad news because earlier palestinian rocket had hit an electric pylon in israeli that provided electricity to that part of the israeli so they weren't able to watch the world cup so they were upset. the rockets continue today. it's happening to a background of increased diplomacy aimed at stopping israeli's attack on gaza. david, what are we seeing right now over the last, i guess, almost a week now? is this different than from what we have seen in the past? is it more serious?

is it escalating? >> i would say with we are seeing a repressing replay of the two wars in gaza the last six years. "the washington post" reported this morning that there's a phrase israelis have come to use about dealing with hamas as it gets stronger. then you mow the lawn. you take hamas down. you have a limited war in gaza that goes after their rockets, goes after the weapons they use against israeli and several years of relative peace and time for another war. that is the kind of cycle of violence that secretary of state kerry and president obama wanted to address in their piece initiative over nine months kerry traveled tirelessly. people made fun of him being object sieve about the palestinian issue. i say one thing we have seen in the last month is why that u.s.

mediation effort was needed and why it seems to be futile that it doesn't break through the basic cycles here. i collected last week a half dozen statements by kerry each of them saying if we don't make progress, we are going to end up in another war. and there wasn't progress. the peace talks broke down and we are in another war. >> eugene robinson, jump in. >> david, what -- as this unfold, what are we hearing from the palestinian authority from abbas? the more modern voice of the palestinian people, how are they reacting to this war? >> abbas saw this war as a mistake and he is moving toward the more modern elements if you can say of hamas and pulling them toward a unity government that would give abbas and his people more control. again, what was evident in this crisis is the ability of

moderates to steer the course and prevent extremists from doing things that blow up the relatively calm just isn't there. this is, from everything we know, a war that abbas didn't want and netanyahu didn't want and elements of hamas didn't want and, yet, here it is. we move on to afghanistan. secretary of state john kerry has reportedly helped broker a deal easing mounting tensions in afghanistan over that country's presidential election. "the new york times" reports a condition of the deal creating a prime minister despite years of having a president. david ignatius, give us sort of the backdrop of this and what is your reaction? >> my reaction this is in a world where most news seems to be to so bad except maybe out of the world cup. this is some pretty good news. you had, after the afghanistan elections, a standoff between the person who apparently won and abdullah abdullah apparently came in second. talk that abdullah would bolt

and you'd have the beginnings of a splintering and people around secretary kerry even talking about the possibility of another civil war, the taliban gets stronger. instead, there has been a coalescence with the two sides coming together, agreeing on terms for a recount, agreeing on a basic framework for unity government in afghanistan. today, compared to a week ago, the situation in afghanistan actually oo looks somewhat better and the neighbors seem to be helping this process. i'd say this is one instance kerry had a lot of unsuccessful diplomacy but one instance he seems to have gotten something done. >> a lot of criticism for this administration over the past month or so, willie, about just pulling up the stakes and leaving iraq is how the critics have at least positioned it. here you get the sense that same thing is not going to happen in afghanistan. we are not just going to get out in '16 and they understand that the exit is as important as the entrance to this country.

>> yeah. no question about it. we will see if this holds up as david mentions. things could change by next week. iran you look at this the way it was going after the runoff you could have had two different governments. you could have had the country splintering. at least for now a unity government and see how long that holds but that could only be good for the united states. >> i'm not quite as optimistic as david is. i really worry as we withdraw from afghanistan that we are going to have the same vacuum in iraq and the same kind of problems in iraq and i would be interested what david thinks the possibility of that happening again in afghanistan. >> i just would briefly note. i think ron puts his finger on the key point. unless president obama takes away his time-based deadline with the withdrawal of u.s. troops, all u.s. troops gone by 2016, we will pull out the last troops when the country is calm and when you can take the troops out. i hope he says that. >> david ignatius, thank you

very much. still ahead on "morning joe," two of the republican party heavyweights go toe-to-toe who could be a preview of a very lively gop primary. a catch of a lifetime. we will tell you story behind this nearly 500-pound halibut caught off the coast of alaska. we remember the last member of one of rock 'n' roll's iconic acts. our tribute to tommy ramone . plus, he's back? >> i read all of your books on my vacation. >> you did? really? >> yes. we will discuss it later. >> great. >> a lot later how about the weather? >> i'll get to that. active day. airport delays numerous in the east where you have torrential downpours and polar invasion heading down from canada. first off anywhere along the

ohio river evansville and southern indiana and eventually ohio you're getting drenched and that heavy rain moving east during the day. 80 million people at risk of severe storms and big cities at risk including new york, philadelphia, baltimore and d.c. and not worried about tornadoes or hail, but wind damage and a lot of lightning with these storms and why late this afternoon a lot of airport delays in the east. we have a flood watch in effect for philadelphia, new york, hartford, much of massachusetts. the next two days up to 2 to 4 inches of rain. already been pretty rainy in this region and won't take a lot to get flash flooding out of it. there is your forecast today with the storms primary in the afternoon into the evening. the other thing that is happening across the country well advertised polar invasion from the north. temperatures will get very cool this week in the great lakes and ohio valley. areas like detroit and chicago. this is like springtime stuff for you. temperatures in the 70s and especially at night. turn the ac off, open the windows.

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ramo ramone. probably best known for hits such as "i want to be sedated." and "blitz kreg bop" among other things. they were nominated into the rock 'n' roll hall of fame in 1992. tommy was battling cancer. >> obviously, the 1970s. donny deutch you had the ramones in center of the punk movement before the sex pistols blasted across britain. >> this band, more than really any other, signifies an entire almost decade long movement so on obviously, he will be missed. >> no doubt about it. >> ron was talking about a song springsteen wrote. >> i read yesterday ramones didn't have any big hits,

despite their influence and ramone asked springsteen to write them a song. he did "hungry heart." but then he decide he not to give it away at the last minute. >> my gosh. thanks, brouce, for nothing. >> you can't find this anywhere else on television, ron. >> nowhere else! >> that's hot. let's move on to the telegraph. this morning a massive operation is under way off the coast of italy to salvage the cruise ship costa concordia. the boat crashed off an italian island nearly two and a half years ago killing 32 people on board. today, crews begin the process of refloating the wreck using massive tanks to create air pockets and once afloat the boat will be tugged 150 miles to the north to a port where it will be scrapped. joe?

>> a 76-year-old man from california made a big, big catch this weekend, pulling in a 482-pound halibut out of the the water off the coast of alaska. took fisherman jack mcguire 40 minutes to pull the fish in. it broke a previous record set in 1996 for 459-pound halibut but it's not recognized because the first was shot before it was pulled out of the water. >> what? he shot it? >> i guess. >> how did he shoot it? >> i don't know. the "los angeles times." actor christian walken will play the role of captain hook in nbc live production of "peter pan." he has starred in "hair spray" and he is excited to star in a

play saying it's a chance to put my tap shoes on again. the production airs september 4th. so far no other casting announcements have been made. christian walken is -- christopher walken is one of my favorite actors. he is insane in the best way you can ever imagine. he is frightening. willie? >> an inspired choice. captain hook. >> i like it. i can't wait! a look at the politico playbook and we go to chief white house correspondent there mr. mike allen. good morning. >> good morning, willie. >> the feud governor rick perry published a bruising op on ed in "the washington post" on sunday. rick perry writing, in part, president obama's policies have certainly led us to this dangerous point in iraq and syria, but paul's brand of perry spoke about this on cbs "face

the nation." >> i disagree with senator paul's representation of what america should be doing. america can no longer come back on to the continental united states and draw a red line around the shore of america and think that we're somehow or another not going to be impacted. >> rand paul's responding in politico this morning saying the texas governor is m mischaracterizing his position saying there is many things i like what he says but apparently his new glasses haven't altered his perception. >> there you go. >> or allowed him to see it any more clearly. paul goes on to criticize governor perry for sending troops back in iraq a position perry took during his 2012 failed campaign. paul writing, quote, i asked governor perry how many americans should send their sons and daughters to die for a foreign country. how many texan morngs and

fathers will governor perry ask to send their children to die in iraq? perhaps it's time we retire that pejorative. why did governor perry start the fight with rand paul to begin with on saturday? >> this is the first hand-to-hand combat of the 2016 republican race. here they go right for each other by name. the headline in the print edition saturday "the washington post" was, rand paul is wrong on iraq by rick perry. and then we have senator paul striking back in politico this morning. as you read going straight for the smart glasses. very personal shot there calling this a fictionalized account of his foreign policy.

willie, what we are seeing here is that rand paul is going to play tough. we talked about how he has been smart about his message talking to a bigger group than the republican party usually does. he has done the most aggressive travel of any of the candidates and he is showing here he is willing to fight. rick perry is saying here, i want in. rick perry is saying that he wants attention in this primary that is already under way. >> you don't write an op-ed piece in "the washington post" by accident, joe, going after a guy who talked about running for president in 2016. does this tell you what rick perry is up to here? >> also the confrontation with the president as well, willie. no doubt about it. he's, obviously, thinking about running in 2016. and he's gone to rand paul's weakness which is his foreign policy. i know there are a lot of libertarians like what rand paul says but especially after the meltdown in iraq he's in a weak

position. >> yeah. ron? >> unlike we talked about sarah palin earlier, unlike sarah palin -- >> this is a real story. >> it's real and important divide and debate in the republican party. on one side you have rand paul who sounded like john kerry testifying against the vietnam war 30 years ago. >> yeah. >> really tapping into the majority of the general public that right now wants to be less involved in the rest of the world and whether it's right or wrong where most of the public wants. rick perry tapping into the republican base which says that is a very dangerous thing today. >> so are we saying the ugly math would pan out here? would perry ultimately survive by getting blessed by the base and rand paul the way he is talking lately is he going to have a problem? is that what we are looking at? >> he is definitely going to have a problem with the base. perry has the easier argument with the base and perry is saying i'm the best guy to take on hillary clinton. i can capture ma little yens and

ignite the libertarians. not easy to do and joe would know better than me obviously. >> mike allen, thanks so much. >> have a great one. germany caps off an incredible world cup run winning its fifth world cup in history. "morning joe" sports is next. ♪ nineteen years ago, we thought, "wow, how is there no way to tell the good from the bad?" so we gave people the power of the review. and now angie's list is revolutionizing local service again. you can easily buy and schedule services from top-rated providers. conveniently stay up to date on progress. and effortlessly turn your photos into finished projects with our snapfix app. visit angieslist.com today. ♪

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let's do some sports. a couple of major football power houses meeting in the world cup final for the third time in their history. look at that shot. that was incredible during the game yesterday. christ, the redeemer, statue as the sun goes down. argentina looked like the most dangerous team. misplay by germany sets up higuain and open look is wide. messi sets up his teammate for a beautiful cross and looks like argentina takes the lead but he was way offsides. clearly. let's go now to germany a couple of close ones. 46th minutes a chance offer the corner hits a post. had a chance to go in but

argentina goalie jumps on the ball. very physical game and a lot of head-to-head collisions and a lot of blood in this one. deadlocked in regulation and into extra time. 7:00 left in the extra period, the match seems like it's going to end up in a shoot-out but 22-year-old mario gotze and that is probably the most meaningful goal of anyone's career in germany. it ends up being the game winner. germany defeats argentina 1-0 and world cup champs for the fourth time. despite the loss messi gets the golden ball as the competition's best player. not enthused about that and you can't blame him. a little consolation for the loss in the game. argentina didn't take the loss so well. vils in downtown buenos aires after the match. >> germany was absolutely dominant this entire round.

they were dominant from the very beginning. the first match they played was against portugal. they beat them 5-1. they dominated the entire time. nobody is going to remember a lot of the matches that were played through this world cup which most people consider to be the greatest and most exciting world cup in history but what germany did the next to last game against brazil the 7-1 victory will be remembered. it's easy to say remembered 50 years, because brazilians are remembering a loss 50 years ago. what did you think about the game yesterday? >> as a casual soccer fan, it was tight. i would have liked to have seen more scoring but i could see why the appeal of the game and i was watching messi a lot having known what i know about what a

great player he is. i thought, you know, hopefully, he could pull something out of his bag and have one of those moments that would launch him into that stratosphere but he couldn't do it yesterday. four or five chances in front of the goal and they couldn't put it home. >> messi had an opportunity to win the cup for his country. he didn't do it. i also said that him getting a golden ball was an absolute joke. he didn't score a single goal in elimination play. mueller had a much better tournament than he had. i can go down a list of five tournament players who had a better games than messi. >> great players rise to great occasions and you have to say messi really didn't. in this time, i lived in buenos

a ares five years. it means wallowing in medical-- >> you ought to get a t-shirt that says that, joe. >> that is me. i need the correct spelling. >> mufado would be muafdo. i want to point out. you know, germany spent ten years getting here. a decade ago, they totally revamped their system, their way of developing young players, a philosophy of how to play, their training method and everything like that. who started that? injuri jurgen klinsmann. >> we are not in buenos aires or

berlin we should talk about team usa. four years ago there wasn't a lot of to be excited about and a lot of question marks. going out of this world cup, i am really excited about what i saw and gene is exactly right. klinsmann, what happened last night, that started with jurgen klinsmann. i think he can do the same for u.s. soccer. i think we have exciting days ahead. >> it feels like a soccer moment and see how long it holds and hopefully, longer than in the past. let's talk domestic sports. carmelo anthony will remain with the new york knicks he announced on his website yesterday. knicks gm phil jackson said anthony has taken less than the $29 million in his contract to sign other players. the deal worth between and $122 million. the news caps a homecoming weekend that started with lebron james announcing his return to cleveland on friday. >> willie, you're a knicks fans. i didn't talk to a lot of knicks

fans this week who said, great, carmelo is coming back. what do you think? >> carmelo is a great phenomenal scorer but doesn't mean he is an elite player that can lead the knicks to a championship. they have to surround him with some other people. it's great to score 40 points every night but you need more than that. i'm happy he is here. >> number one, i don't see him making other players and that is what the great ones do. other than dirk nowitzki, no team has won a championship with a pour forwawer forward as your point. he slow the game down. i would be happy to start with a new player. >> you look at players like magic and larry bird, eugene. the first day they come in they make everybody around them better. everybody. carmelo seems to do the exact opposite on. i know this because i drive into new york at 4:00 a.m. and listen

to the radio and carmelo can put points in but he can't bring that team together. >> maybe he should play defense every once in a while. you know? he kind of sucks the oxygen out of the team in some ways. so i don't think you can just with carmelo, you can't win an nba title. you need to surround him with other players and i don't see the knicks doing that any time soon. >> difference now is phil jackson is here. let's see if he can put other pieces in place. let's hope. >> i like phil. lawrence o'donnell will be here and join us on set. up next, the must-read opinion pages. don't go away. we will be right back with more "morning joe." ♪ at 1-800-dentist, we're about one thing.

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♪ ♪ ♪ i think it's time for a change ♪ >> time for the must read opinion pages. i'm being told i can only two one. i have two i like. new jersey star ledger, chris christie missed a chance to save lives. governor christie and other governors across the country have to make tough choices on behalf of their constituents every day. it is far easier to blame the complexities of gun violence on mental illness but true leadership requires approaching all sources of the problem regardless of their convenience, popularity or personal political aspirations. a week and a half ago governor christie missed an opportunity to make meaningful common sense change that had the potential to limit the legality of shooting incidents. what is worse he showed a lack of respect to the families who bravely devoted their lives to ensure other parents won't

endure the heartbreak they live with every day. those families deserve better. the people of new jersey deserve better as well. ron? >> look. i'm a big second amendment but i don't understand why the republican can't get right on this issue and understand there is common sense. >> do you think it's a party that drove the decision that christie made? >> he wants to be president of the united states. >> you don't see any logic to his argument that perhaps it doesn't matter, that he -- >> the conventional wisdom thing to do is pander to the nra. a gutsy thing to do to take on the nra and view in the republican party. i'd like to see a republican do it. >> joe, real quick. >> i was wondering why would you have connecticut governor writing op-eds in new jersey? doesn't make a lot of sense. it's not like dannell malloy is up 30 percentage points. i know has never liked chris

christie. i think i would keep my editorials in the hartford current. >> it's a good question how that piece got assigned and written. think it did make a good point. it makes very strong language actually, which is interesting. so maybe we got a feud going on. but ron fournier's point i think is well taken. background checks, people. something. there is popular support for being doing and i think christie is, indeed trying to stay right with the conservative base and the republican party because he wants to be president. >> i thought the policy is one thing. i thought his tone, too, was odd, to -- especially with the sandy hook families. i thought the way he handled that was uncharacteristically clumsy. >> you're talking about governor christie? >> yes. whether 30 or 10 shots in a magazine, whatever that

distinction would be, but i thought the way he dealt with families. for a guy who has done a good job with a lot of people in situations like hurricane sandy and he can go down and put his hands on people who had been hurt, i thought that was not his best moment. >> we were talking about hand-to-hand combat between politicians specifically pertaining to perry and paul. this is a true issue i think dannell malloy has every right in the world to write anything he wants anywhere he wants as pertains to gun violence xt peop -- xt impaand the impact in his st >> what made him appealing is his bluntness and crossover potential. >> donny, we have all been saying that. and talked about how this seemed to be chris christie going from a position of weakness.

you look at the latest polls out of new hampshire and other states, if mitt romney is not involved, chris christie's poll numbers are going up. as chris christie's stock went down, jeb bush's stock went up. the more people looked at jeb bush and saw the poll numbers the more jeb bush's stock has gone down over the past month or so. now, suddenly, chris christie's is going up. i'm not so sure we are not going to see chris christie at the front of the pack six months from now in a lot of states. >> i'll back you up, donny, saying he raise more money for on the party than most republicans. >> the number in there, mitt romney, you get that feel. still ahead, you never know what is coming next. >> if you're mitt romney, you can go back and take the things you said in presidential

debates, specifically on foreign policy, and the guy looked like nostradomus and barack obama looked clueless. go back. who was the one that said roll the tape or go to tape? go to tape. this is all on videotape. >> joe, i was sitting -- >> i'll wheel out my beta max and show you. >> everybody has saying that exactly that in the hampton's this weekend. >> mitt romney was right and barack obama was wrong. i was right may not be a bad bumper sticker for mitt romney in the republican primaries in 2016. >> you know what won't help him in the primaries? an endorsement from the hampton's view. >> that was the marketing view. joe, exactly that store. . we love redemption and guess what? i told you so. >> we will be right back.

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they are using their civilians to protect their missiles. the dispute over the results of afghanistan's presidential election appears to have been resolved. both candidates agreed to expect the result of an internationally supervisized recount. >> among the many things we decided, we did not decide which candidate will speak first. sparks are flying between two republicans already. >> you ripped your fellow republican rand pall. >> he talks about basically what i consider to be isolationist policies. thousands of central america children attempting to cross the american border. >> you see more and more calls for the president to be impeached. >> the constitution is very clear as to what constitutes ground for impeachment. he has not committed the kind of criminal acts. >> for me it's the last straw. it makes kind of the battered wife saying no mas. >> she was a good vice presidential candidate but a

worst judge who ought to be impeached and why. welcome back to "morning joe." donny deutsche and ron fournier is still on the set and joining us is looking really good in a beard but i like you in that. >> do you? you're being kind. >> you did hobble in here. >> i did ask for pity. >> you did ask for pity. were you faking? >> no. i love pity. >> the beard is so good. >> i immediately embraced him. >> the beard is so good, it doesn't look real. >> jonathan capehart my style adviser told me i had to trim it. >> don't do that. yuck. no, ungroomed. important thing you think should be in the handbook when one travels to the british virgin islands? >> we were just talking about. it is in a lot of the islands legal to drink while driving.

you can have a hand on the wheel and hand on the cup holder. they do have drunk driving laws. i was in a taxi cab down there and i was hit by an unlicensed drunk driver actually. so, you know, it's just a much looser drunk driving down there. >> one thing you might want to know when you travel. it's really, really wonderful to have you back. >> really good to be back here. >> i love your return monologue on your show. it made me cry and we are happy to see you. to the news now. in an interview with pope francis about sexual abuse in the church, business comments are getting major headlines this morning. the pontiff is quoted as suggesting that perhaps 2% of the church's clergy or 1 in 50 are pedophiles. the pope reportedly told an editor of an italian newspaper the abuse of children is like a lepro leprosy.

the pope said the church must deal with the problem with, quote, the severity it demands. i just find it refreshing to hear this man speak every time he opens his mouth, ron. agree? >> definitely. we have a problem with all of our institutions right now. we are losing faith in them and the church is no exception. and shining a light like this on this issue is a big deal. thousands of palestinians are heeding the advice of israeli and evacuating their homes. the u.n. says 17,000 palestinians have reached shelters. even the leaders of hamas urge residents not to leave northern gaza. israeli forces warned residents by leaflets and phone calls of a strike against hamas in that region. scientists believe they may be able to detect the early onset of alzheimer's in our eyes and in our sense of smell. researchers are hopeful that changes to retinas may help indicate alzheimer's long before issues with memory development and the sense of smell is also of interest. the part of our brain that detects odor is reportedly

vulnerable to alzheimer's and the ability to identify different smells can become impaired very early on which could be incredibly useful research in the fight against alzheimer's. also "saturday night live" and "30 rock" star tracy morgan is out of the hospital a month after critically injured in a car accident. he was in a luxury van with other comedians when it was struck by a tractor-trailer. one passenger was killed. the driver of the walmart tractor-trailer has been charged. morgan announced he is suing the big box retailer saying the company is partly responsible for the wreck. we will follow that. turning to politics. a lot of democrats sort of hitting the campaign trail, you know? depending on how you look at the places they are choosing to go. first, attorney general eric holder has responded to sarah palin's suggestion that the president be impeached over his

immigration policies. take a look. >> enough is enough of the years of abuse from this president. his unsecured border crisis for me is the last straw. makes a battered mom saying, enough. no more. it's time to intech. >> she was a potentially good vice presidential candidate but a worst judge who ought to be impeached and why. >> attorney general also weighed in on speaker john boehner's lawsuit against president obama saying it was a political gesture, not a legal one, and that the lawsuit won't have legs. joe? >> right now no appear titite f discussion of impeachment for president obama and not really an appetite for sarah palin going out making statements like this, either on facebook or any other area. i was not surprised but i was heartened to find the number of conservatives that pushed back

on plnsarah palin's suggestion t there be impeachment. it's just somebody trying to grab headlines. it's a very unfortunate thing. >> joe, how long does sarah palin continue to actually command the pushback? at what point will she actually be ignored? how many more years of this? >> at what point do we not spend three hours literally in our edit rooms trying to figure out how to cut a sound bite? i'm serious. i'm going to say it. listen to that, it must have been very difficult. joe, do you want to answer or stay away from my incendiary comments? >> i'll stay away from your comments. a lot of people voted to elect sarah palin. a look at would not be without her endorsement in 2010 and i think that gives her a little bit of credibility through 2012. i think the statute of

limitations is running out on that very quickly, especially with comments like this. >> the credible is the churning of the media machine about -- i don't know. everything she says -- >> we have to move on. i'm moving on. battered wife? nomas? whatever. it's done. we are done. i don't know. guys, you're going to have to really work hard to get another sound bite past me. >> mika? >> what? >> let's move on then! quit talking about it! then you keep talking about her and i keep waiting for you to move on and you keep talking about her so stop talking about her! go! >> what about the boehner lawsuit? the republicans have said the president is running wild and he is violating the law at every turn and they come up with this one highly technical count about the affordable care act and that becomes the entirety of his outrageous behavior as

president. >> well, i think if you look at what has happened with the president over the past month or so, jonathan turley said it best, it's been a very bad month for the president being overturned on whether you're talking about the separations of power clause or the fourth amendment or the first amendment. i don't think it's the most shocking thing in the world for a leader in congress to push back on this president on a constitutional issue because the president has not been losing 5-4 decisions, he has been losing 9-0 decisions. i think, lawrence, i think if a republican were in the white house and were unilaterally amending a giant piece of legislation over a couple of years, you and the people you worked with would say, hey, i wonder if it's constitutional for the president of the united states to unilaterally decide how he is going to interpret this law that we passed. >> i'm sitting here having no

legal understanding of how the administration was able to change dates, change effective dates in legislation. as you know, a legislation is filled with effective dates. those things are written into law. i'm not aware of these kinds of changes having occurred before. so i would like to see a discussion of the actual legal grounding for it and how that's possible. but i'm talking about matching the rhetoric, the months and months and months of republican rhetoric in the house about how this president is completely and wildly out of control and he must be stopped. some, by the way, in that body using the word impeachment from time to time and then finally for john boehner, it all comes down to this, a few effective dates in the affordable care act. the lawsuit, no no way, matches the preceding rhetoric. >> it never does. it's politics, lawrence. >> okay. guys, let's play a game. lawrence, you're here on set. i thought this would be perfect

for you. we are calling. political fact or fiction. oh, my goodness. >> i love that. >> we need music to go with this. it's not t.j. >> the graphics on this show, joe, just set new ground. >> you guys will all tell us whether or not it's going to come true with your incredible progre prognostications. i like hearing lawrence talk. he is soothing. the president is in a deadlock with the republican congress. fact or fiction. the president will not pass another major piece of legislation during the reminder of his term. joe, take it. >> i think that all depends. i think that i would say, right now, that is fiction. lawrence, i think two, two and a half years ago, this president is going to realize after the next midterm election he has got to on govern and he has to

either govern with democrats running the senate or republicans running the senate. i think a deal on immigration could happen sometime over the next year. >> i think it's possible that the congress will realize they have to govern, joe. i think the president has been working hard to try to do that. i agree with you just flipping that dynamic a little bit. >> flipping the dynamic, okay. turning to the mid terms. republicans need six seats to regain control of the senate. so our on next question is counterinintuitively two commonly held beliefs in washington but fact or fiction. obamacare will help democrats in the fall in their midterm elections. joe, take it. >> that's fact and fiction. it's fact that it will help some democrats, perhaps mary landrieu get out of her base. gene robinson, i think as we have said before, the democrats secret weapon in some states is medicaid expansion. the republicans can successfully

run against obamacare in a lot of states, but the medicaid expansion, i don't care what state you're from. i'll talk about my state of florida. there are a lot of republicans when the governor of florida was not taking the money said, wait, wait, why aren't our hospitals taking the money? why are other states taking money for paying taxes. i think republicans are especially vulnerable on this issue in some states so that is a fact and fiction to me. >> anyone? >> fact and a fiction because it's a fact some places and fiction other places. in some states, obamacare is still going to hurt democrats but in other states, it has switched. i think medicaid expansion may be the most powerful part of that. there is also recent surveys that show that people who got policies under obamacare really like them, including republicans. >> 2016, hillary clinton fact or fiction, the democratic primary will be a cake walk for her.

who wants to take that? >> fact. >> fact? >> fact. >> donny? >> i actually believe elizabeth warren is the best thing that happened to her because it kind of -- it allows people to paint her against warren. i think warren is a very unappealing candidate. >> oh, my god. i can't tell you how much i disagree with you! >> i know you live in this world the base is going to go to her. i think it actually allows hillary to define herself. >> joe, fact or fiction it's a cake walk on hillary clinton versus elizabeth warren. i would say elizabeth warren has the cleanliness of sort of not being connected with either previous or present administrations. >> well, i would say that would be a fact except for the fact that hillary clinton had a hard time wrestling with herself during her own book tour. i mean, there was one mistake, lawrence o'donnell, after another mistake. the latest mistake was this case

where she defended a guy that raped a 12-year-old girl and it wasn't even that that happened 30, 40 years ago because, of course, that is what criminal defense lawyers do and hillary was allowed -- i mean put herself in the middle of that, but even her explanation that she was court-pointappointed an wanted to get off of it and in tapes she is bragging that she got this guy off and she knew he was lying and that she did it as a favor for a friend. this has been a very messy book tour for hillary clinton. you wonder what happens if she has a live human being running against her on the other side. >> the good thing it was a book tour so this has been kind after spring training batting practice exercise for her and it's gone reasonably well. when you're reaching that far back to come up with things, joe, to cause her problems, and

it's always true that clintons, both bill and hillary, rhetorically at their worse when they are on the defensive. they are always looking for some angle of defending their position, especially if it's personal history, that always kind of stretches your ability to accept it. >> so is it a cake walk for hillary? >> as of right now, it's statistically hard to see anybody else getting it and i don't believe elizabeth warren is going to run. if elizabeth warren did run and if she raised barack obama kind of money the way barack obama raised money against hillary clinton the last time then that he would be a really interesting race. >> she doesn't have that ability. >> you could argue they are getting a lot of the hard stuff over with. even chelsea clinton was eviscerated in maureen dowd piece yesterday for speaking fees. this is getting it over with is what it is? >> nothing about this is great.

>> it's fiction. for the first time in our history practically we are going to have somebody anointed as the democratic nominee? two things going on. anxiety about her performance. people is she really ready for this race. two, a lot of ambitious democrats who will see an opening or think they see an opening. we have a long way to go yet. plenty of time when she will be challenged and she will be scared and might be a short period of time but it will happen. joe, this goes straight to you. you take it to the panel. rand paul will be the republican nominee for president in 2016. >> fiction, fiction, fiction. >> what? >> anybody else? >> come on. this happens. he is going to do well in iowa and new hampshire and may do pretty well in south carolina. it will turn to the midwest and he will be his father's son. >> joe, someone has to beat him. who is going to beat him? >> i don't know. >> that's the problem. i would have agreed with you a

few months ago, i don't see how rand paul can get the nomination in this party but i have to continue to look at the field and i have to come up with a name who can get the nomination in this party. >> mitt romney. >> mitt romney. >> i really believe he is so -- it is just -- yo, out of nowhere, you run that tip. guess what? he was right and if he is able have the demeanor of the guy who lost, and i have nothing to lose this time, mitt romney looser. >> that would be a campaign to watch. >> unplugged. >> gene robinson, rand paul in first place is the definition for main street republicans as a vacuum. >> yes. somebody, you know, who will beat him? somebody. just somebody. and if push comes to shove, you know, here comes mitt. come on back and run again. >> joe, one more.

studies fact or on fiction. the republican party won't win another presidential election for another 20 years. >> i think you need to go back and look and see what people said after goldwater lost in '64 and they lost the next century for republicans. you can go back every general is always fighting the last battle. i suspect republicans are going to probably fare pretty darn well and we always look at the election in the rearview mirror and say that is how the world is looking the next 20 years and i don't think that is the case. lawrence o'donnell, let me ask you. are republicans not going to win the white house for the next 20 years? >> i think you can shut out either one of the major parties from the white house for 20 years. the republicans will, if they have to, change whatever positions they have to in order to get that white house back eventually. in a squeaker, they will get 51% of the votes.

>> it comes to a transformational figure like reagan or clinton. >> lawrence, stay with us. ron and gene, thank you so much. still ahead on "morning joe," the job market hasn't been the same since 2008 but that doesn't mean you can't score the job of a lifetime. the cofounder of linkedin is here with some helpful hints. plus, back from brazil, our good friend roger bennett is here with the world cup recap. i can't wait for that. up next, jose starts his new msnbc show today but he gets warmed up here on "morning joe." we will be right back. birdhouse plans. nacho pans. glass on floors. daily chores. for the little mishaps you feel use neosporin to help you heal. it kills germs so you heal four days faster. neosporin.

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>> i just showed thomas this picture. >> can you put that on the air? >> i showed mika my first beard when i was a freshman in college. she passed me a note when she looked at it saying "planet of the apes." >> the audience needs to see that. i know, lawrence, you're so secure with your place in the broadcast annals. >> i don't want to see that. no. with us now -- ew! for the end. for the end. >> with us award winning journalist and host new msnbc show debuting today at 10:00 a.m. eastern time on msnbc! jose diaz-balert. congratulations and welcome back to the family. >> thank you. i'm so thrilled and happy and still have the image of "planet of the apes" and beard, it's trouble. >> jose, as you know, that image is going to be on your show today! >> that will help! >> i'm honored to be on your first show. >> i look forward to it, my friend. i thought about growing a beard

because if you grow a beard in my case, there will be more hair below than above and changes the balance and it's a great concept. >> back to your new show. first of all, debuting this morning. you're going to have quite a platform here. i hosted -- co-hosted with jose back at cbs when i was on overnight and stuff so this isn't the first time we have worked together. what are your plans? what do you hope to do? >> look. 30 years i've been covering the news around the country and around the world and the opportunity to -- a privilege to have a program where we can include more voices. it's all about adding voices and not subtracting anything. the fact is when we talk about issues like, for example, the crisis on the border, immigration reform, you know, let's bring in the people that are being directly affected. i know we do it all the time on msnbc but i think it's just kind of casting the net a little bit wider as far as the people that are affected on all sides of the

issue. and so it really is like a moment of privilege for me to be able to bring in 30 years of work and television and, mika, can you believe already that was about 15 years thago that you a i worked together? >> yep. >> jose, it's donny. can you take us back to the late nights with mika? >> no! >> i would like some images and styling. what was it like? >> well, i do remember that she used to have an i.v. of coffee which is a really weird thing back then. >> i did have an i.v. of coffee. i don't know if you remember my stomach two feet out but the product is sitting over there working for me now, 18 years old. my daughter is here. >> oh, my gosh. >> we remember those nights and they weren't pretty. i had morning sickness. >> i remember that too. >> let's talk about immigration and the sort of major controversy that we have been trying to shed light on.

i want to look at deportations between president bush's year and the obama presidency. the numbers sort of change the context of the conversation. if you look at the entire bush presidency, we have 2 million deportations. the first five years of the obama presidency, almost as many. so how do we describe that and conflate it or, if not, with the criticism that this president is getting over how he is trying to handle the border crisis and the money that he is trying to put the issue right now? >> yeah, the national council of larazo which is one of the most largest and significant organizations in the latinos labeled president obama the border in chief. you look at those numbers, 2 million plus during the obama administration, there is no weak hand on immigration reform under president barack obama. let me tell you something.

those are 2 million people who have families and many of whom who have been in the united states for many years and working and contributing to this country. and so let's just start from the fact that president obama has been extremely tough on undocumented immigrants in this country. now, the question is going forward, shouldn't that be at least a good starting point to say, all right. we have got a president who has been ruthless on deportations in this country. ruthless. the numbers don't lie. so what is it that we could or should be doing to deal with present and future crises like the one that we have been seeing now for months on the border, mostly in texas, but also in arizona. >> right. >> and why are little kids crossing without their parents? who are they coming to see? these little kids aren't coming to see disney world but reunited with family members here in the united states. >> thomas? >> first off, jose, you are a

role model for nice guys do finish first, so congratulations on the new show. >> thank you. so sweet. thank you. >> let's talk about the unaccompanied minor issues as we watch the tens of thousands of kids coming from central america into the u.s. a linchpin of a past law in '08 under president bush that deals with unaccompanied minors and mainly put into form because of sex trafficking but unintended consequences now. are certain political leaders that aren't using that as a basis of conversation being intellectually dishonest and trying to push president obama into a corner of not caring about the southern border? >> it seems that people love to use politics and never bring in the real true meanings behind what they are trying to accomplish. this law in 2008, december of 2008, deals with sex trafficking, human smuggling. do you think these kids are being brought over by a travel agency that gives them all kinds

of goodies along the way? these are kids that are being trafficked and are being exploited. the congressman from the rio grande valley, henry quar has said the kids he has talked to in these detention centers, as many as 1 out of are abused coming into the united states of america. if you look at that law is a israel it's about trafficking and sexual exploitation these kids would fall under that definition. by the way, on the show this morning, at 10:00, 7:00 a.m. pacific time, we are going to talk to a young lady who just crossed the border and went to hell to come here and why did she leave honduras? they killed her brother in front of her some years ago and gangs came after her. these are real stories that impact people. in politics it's easy to talk when it doesn't affect you, right? >> thank you, jose diaz-dalert.

>> we got a show. >> that is not going to happen. jose, thank you. coming up, germany -- >> you go through the man's iphone and his pictures. germany gets the best of argentina and proving to be on the best story of this year's world cup. roger bennett will join us with his thoughts on the tournament and with highlights. he has cupcakes! i love you, lawrence, but that picture is ugly! ♪ stowing away the time are you gathering up the tears ♪ ♪ have you had enough of mine at every ford dealership, you'll find the works! it's a complete checkup of the services your vehicle needs. so prepare your car for any road trip by taking it to an expert ford technician. because no matter your destination

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joining us now, some cupcakes and espn soccer analyst roger bennett. >> roger! >> he brought cupcakes, joe! >> he did bring cupcakes! roger, you became a superstar. this is when we sent little roger bennett out into the world and our little rog. he still doesn't know how to stay in the camera shot. he comes back and enter national

superstar, formerly only used for erin burnett but we now have to call you roger bennett international superstar! >> america loves a bald man. the most menacing cupcake of all time. >> it is. >> we have a lot to go through here. first of all, let's talk about losers and winners. obviously, winners germany. from the time they brutalized portugal in the opening match to the end, they were top shelf. nobody was a close second, were they? >> that's true. the most shocking results of the whole tournament was brazil 1, germany 7 and something would be written for game three and that shocking. last night they played argentina. an englishman probably the hardest matchup against argentina. but there is a famous cliche about world football that soccer is a simple game. 22 men take the field and at the end of it, germany always wins. that is really the story of this

world cup, joe. they were pragmatic and they were organized and they were methodical and their movement and intelligence just overwhelmed all opponents. they were deserved winners. >> is it fair to say lionel messi who, for some reason, was named the player of the tournament and, yet, the guy, like rated 3.5 or 4.0 yesterday on espn fc, he disappeared. he had a chance to go into the history books in argentina and he failed. >> yeah, playing with the tournament's award is like being handed a miss congeniality award in high school. soccer players play a brutal year-round schedule with a toll on them. at the end his legs -- his father said each of his legs weighed a hundred pound and seeing he weighs about 25 pounds just the rest of his body was too much for him to carry. but at the end, when argentina had lost and, as you say,

disappeared in the game, and fifa started to play and he looked like he wanted to be anywhere but in the americana. >> winners and losers of the entire tournament, i'm not being cute here, i actually, as you know, i root for them in a big way every four years. but england has to be seen as perhaps the loser of the tournament. they were just dreadful. one point. >> we used to have an empire, joe. now we take the football field and every time we lose, it feels like the battle of york town all over again. it's very, very sad. thank god i live in america. i said that if the u.s. got out of that group, i would take american citizenship so i'm now awe plying. if you look at the u.s. team, i think impressive.

the revelation of the world cup was the revelation. for me looking from rio cameras were kept back to san francisco, to kansas city, to chicago in soldier field. you would see thousands of americans engaging in this game and for me america won the world cup even though they were knocked out in the round of 16. >> even willie geist, it was jurgen klinsmann who started germany on a rebuilding program that led them to the victory last night. a lot of people thinking they may be doing the same here in the united states and i have to agree. they looked great this tournament. >> so let's talk, mr. bennett. you've converted people like me. i believe -- we joke with you. i believe you and michael should be -- receive some award as ambassadors for the game because you've made it interesting, you've made it funny. i understand it. you should be a high ranking official somewhere in u.s. soccer and put that aside.

we have the enthusiasm in the country. we hope that lasts. now what do we do? we got jurgen klinsmann as joe said. how do we go from a round of 16 teams to what landon donovan called the big boys which is six or eight teams? >> it's amazing to wash uruguay and cota rica. he is there. it's so engineer gerri-rigged. jurgen klinsmann is a jewel rolled technical director and trying to change the role of football as it's developed in this country. it's not a short-term fix. he says when pushed it takes 15 to 20 years. but it will happen. to me it's a tectonic plate has

shifted in terms of how it approaches football. young americans are growing up watching ronaldo and messi. i think messi is the ninth most popular athlete in america. my kids wore american jerseys for the first time and so proud of the players. give it 15, 20 years. we will win a world cup in my lifetime. >> we need to host a world cup and win it here. >> exactly. >> we are going. >> in your podcast, you use the cupcakes to make the predictions? did they work? >> we thought they did. >> you have the german one. take a bite. >> it's a terrible menacing cupcake. the secret is out. i haste cupcakes. >> it's a dying breed. we have to boost the cupcake. >> are these crumbs? >> the future of american soccer

is unbelievable and the only two people now willie is gone, the band wagon who didn't like it. >> very good. >> let's ask about the future. we have survived brazil and there weren't too many riots in the street. in fact, the team may have performed terribly, but the country performed pretty bdamn well. let's talk about qatar. the most corrupt organization on the planet to take care of. fifa. what do we see qatar yanked and people thrown in jail for the corruption surrounding that future world cup? >> they very friendly and put the next world cup in russia and in 2022 to qatar. they played a game in the rain forest in this world cup i think can make qatar seem like a

logical host venue. all i'll say is watch that space. you will cover it. america will cover fifa for the first time. the only people attacking fifa are english newspapers but america, the big brands and the like, all of these brands who are based in america start to see shows like yours attacking fifa. we will talk about this story the next 12 months and please, god, world up with 2022 will end newspaper the u.s. >> roger bennett, great to see you. i understood you today. coming up, everything you think you know about the employee and employer relationship is apparently wrong. the cofounder of linkedin joins the conversation next with a fascinating conversation. keep it right here on "morning joe."

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you say the whole relationship has been turned upside down. is that a fair way to start? yes. lifetime employment is basically over. so the question is what do you replace it with? they don't recognize the fact a company may be thinking about firing them when it's relevant. trust is broken. how do you rebuild that trust? it's tours of duty. >> we first have to admit the trust is broken. >> yes. >> gone are the days that you start at a company and plan to stay there the rest of your life. you say the employer-employee relationship is broken. the old model of guaranteed long-term employment no longer works in the business environment defined by continuous change, but neither does a system in which every employee acts like a free agent. the solution? stop thinking of employees as either family or as free agents.

think of them instead as allies. huh. do you how do that in this ever-changing world where everyone is managing up, managing out, managing sideways, managing everywhere? >> you alie for a specific tour of duty. this is how you transform the company, this is how you transform the employee and help them be employable for a lifetime. with that tour of duty, you have great results for both and that's an alliance where the interests between the employee and the company are aligned. >> reid, i want to challenge you, i really, really do. i think both employers and employees understand nothing is for a lifetime but as somebody who ran a company, you do think of people as family. that doesn't mean they'll be there forever. my concern is you're reducing the work relationship that is of course a business relationship to this very kind of digital, nonhuman -- i don't know if

agree with that. i don't know if a lot of ceos who built companies built on cultures agree with that either. >> you know people do move on. >> of course. >> you don't fire your family for a lack of performance. it's much more like a team analogy. you don't say your child. you say you didn't do too well on the homework exam so you're out of here. you're trying to achieve a project. >> but people work three years, seven years, nine years, but it's more than a project. it's linked up values. i think we have to recognize people are not signing on the old ibm model is not there anymore but it's not going to the extreme. successful companies that do keep people over time and do nurture people, there is a middle ground. willy, do you agree with that? >> i do agree with reid, i think you're a sucker if you think the company will look out for me

forever. however much they liked you in the beginning they'll get rid of you at the end. >> everyone has known that anyway. >> how do you manage talent. you've set up this framework. how do you keep good people? if everyone is sort of managing their own brand and you're looking out for each other and staying linked in, if you have somebody great what do you do to keep them? >> part of having the open and honest conversation is the paradox how you keep them longer. part of what you do, for example, kevin scott, the head of ops and engineering at linkedin asked people what's the job you want after linkedin. the reason he's doing that, he's showing with the question his commitment to transforming their career and i think that's very human. you might spend an entire -- an entire career at one company doing multiple tours of duty. it's not to say it's one project

and you're out. it's let's do a project together, we talk about it honestly and talk about what's next honestly as well. >> and often that conversation can help you retain that person because you know exactly what they're there for, which i do think that has changed because you are -- this is fascinating. i wish we had more time. i'm getting on linkedin, it's official. this is it. i'm making a commitment. because i get so many requests and i haven't responded so will you help me because i'm lazy. >> be glad to. >> the book is "the alliance." get more of reid's job-hunting tips at afternoonmo afternoonmoafternoonmojo afternoonmojo .msnbc.com. if corporation are people, many of them are enjoying night spring break vacations overseas. we'll explain what that means for those of us forced to stay home. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪

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welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have donny deutsch. >> hello. >> hello. it's very hamptons, the whole thing. >> it's the double d collection. it doubles as a jacket and picnic table. >> i'll use that later. >> donny is looking very hamptons today. oh, so are you actually. also the editorial director of the national journal, ron fornier is here. >> j.c. penney's. >> this is your first week back from vacation. where were you? >> deep in the woods in michigan. >> in washington, we have pulitzer prize-winning columnist, and msnbc contributor, eugene robinson. >> armani. >> very high maintenance. >> he's got pulitzer. >> you get armani with the

pulitzer. >> is that what it is? we have a columnist and associate editor david ignatius with us along with willie, joe and me. joe, i take it -- see, i called joe during the world cup yesterday. he pressed end. >> oh, i did not. that is just not true. >> no, it's all right. you totally, totally ignore my phone calls when you're watching soccer. >> but it happens once every four years. if you could just wait until half time or until the match is over. it was a great match, though, gene robinson. i know you're a soccer aficionado. what a great match. i always kind of thought the germans were going to win but it tack them a while to put it away. >> it took them awhile. it was a great match, it really was. it was a world cup final, right? the way you should play it. you're not going to give up goals, and so the argentines

didn't try to run and gun with the germans, that would have been a mistake. they were defensive but they attacked. i thought they played really well, but the germans are just overwhelming right now. they are so good. they're so fast, they're so crisp. and that was -- and it was a great goal. >> king james returns to cleveland. that's obviously the other massive sports news from the weekend. >> from a pr standpoint it was 180 degrees from what he did four years ago. he did it quietly, he did it through si, he thanked all the right people. he's not taking his talents anywhere. he also made the right move. he looked at that roster in miami and said that's a bunch of old guys that aren't going anywhere. i'm willing to go to cleveland and play with young guys. we'll probably have to wait a couple of years to win an nba title but he did the right move for himself but did it the right way. >> to willie's point, selfishly it's the right move for him

also. this is a young team. he looks like a hero. if you were advising him, what's right for you individually? this is the right individually move and yet he's being heralded for some reason. >> he did do it well. >> as far as executed perfectly, brilliantly, him going home, the whole deal. as did carmelo in new york also. basically my city, my town. it's very interesting, they make announcements on their websites. nobody is getting up in front of a mike saying here's why i'm doing it. we begin with eric holder's response to sarah palin's suggestion that the president be impeached over his immigration policies. take a look at this. >> enough is enough of the years of abuse from this president. his unsecured border crisis. for me it's the last straw. it makes -- it's kind of the battered wife saying no mas, that's enough. it's time to impeach. >> she wasn't a particularly good vice presidential candidate.

she's an even worse judge of who ought to be impeached and why. >> exactly. finally, just say it. the attorney general also weighed in on speaker john boehner's lawsuit against president obama saying it was a political gesture rather than a legal one and that the lawsuit won't have legs. joe, the attorney general saying what i think a lot of people on this set feel. it feels like people are scared to say anything bad about sarah palin because of the draw she is. i think she's losing that. is that possible? in a big way. >> i don't know that anybody that's in the democratic party is afraid to talk about sarah palin. i guess the question is why are people still paying attention to sarah palin when she says things like the president of the united states should be impeached. i don't know any major conservative figure that would agree with her on that. in fact many came out last week and went out of their way to suggest that was not the way to go and she was absolutely wrong. there's one thing she did say that i want to push back on. he once again went back to race

and said the reason barack obama is being picked on is because of his race. that's very interesting for a man who worked in the clinton administration and saw the abuse bill clinton faced. certainly i don't think he moved to the south of france during george w. bush's administration. bush also of course got absolutely smashed and torn to shreds for eight years by democrats. but of course democrats don't realize that because they were the ones doing it. >> yeah, but joe that's not actually what he said, though. he said -- he said he thought that race was a factor, not the major factor, but a factor in some of the over-the-top criticism of president obama. so that's different from saying, you know, the only reason that people criticize the president is because of race. you know, i thought he was measured, if you read the entire quote. >> well, we've actually had this debate before, gene. >> yeah, we have, so -- >> we'll move along.

>> yeah. >> i'll move along. alaska senator mark begich up for re-election is facing a tsunami of outside money and trying to distance himself from president obama. in a new "washington post" article he brands himself as a nag to the white house. huh, this could be an interesting campaign article. when begich talks about his role in american politics, he describes himself as a sharp object sent to washington to jab at president obama. i'll be a thorn in his -- he said in an interview. there is times when i'm a total thorn and he doesn't appreciate it. okay. well, that's one way to look at it. i know a couple of other candidates who could capitalize on actually being a real thorn and actually done something productive. joe. >> yeah, it's certainly, ron fornier, an interesting

approach. usually a losing approach from candidates who try to distance themselves from the president because the opponent will find the 90 or so times he voted with president obama. >> we see this every time we're in the sixth year of a president's term, especially when the president is unpopular. his party wants to distance themselves from the president. but the problem is you can't. begich is a democrat. if he's going to make this campaign about being a thorn in the side of president obama, the problem is the best person to do that is the republican. >> well, i mean i think you can have some contrast with the white house and you don't have to be a republican for that. i look at elizabeth warren and i think that she's not fighting the white house, but she's certainly forging her own path. >> that's a much more subtle approach. >> using the term thorning,

there's a destructiveness, a negative versus, hey, i don't agree with him, here's where i step away from him versus the words "thorn in his side" means i'm here to stop him. >> it sounds like somebody who is scared. >> the public doesn't want that. they want more than somebody that's a thorn in somebody's side. >> begich said in may, i'm going to make president obama irrelevant in the state of alaska. that's kind of the theme of his campaign, talking about the president of his own party. >> i want to get to david ignatius. scientists believe that they may be able to detect the early onset of alzheimer's in our eyes and sense of smell. researchers are hopeful that changes to retinas may help indicate alzheimer's long before issues with memory develop and the sense of smell is of interest as well. the part of our brain that detects odor is vulnerable to alzheimer's and the ability to

identify different smells can become impaired early on so perhaps new hope in that research. also "saturday night live" and "30 rock" star tracy morgan is out of the hospital a month after being critically injured in a car accident. he was in a luxury van with other comedians when it was struck by a tractor-trailer. one passenger was killed. the driver of the walmart tractor-trailer has been charged. morgan also announced he is suing the big box retailer, walmart, saying the company is partly responsible for the wreck. he says the driver was driving for 24 hours, was sleep deprived and fell asleep. also an interview with pope francis about sexual abuse in the church is getting major headlines this morning. the pontiff is quoted as suggesting that perhaps 2% of the church's clergy or 1 in 50 are pedophiles. the pope reportedly told an editor of an italian newspaper that the abuse of children is like a leprosy. and while the vatican is

reportedly taking issue with some of the quotes the paper ran, the pope said the church must deal with the problem with the quote severity it demands. joe, he just keeps getting better. >> i was just going to go to willie giefeist. this guy just keeps on going and now you have the vatican pushing back on comments that the pope makes. >> it's pretty remarkable. remember he had victims to the vatican which was a big step recently and a lot of people accused the previous pope and one before that of being asleep at the switch on this issue. this pope is now going out of his way to make sure that people know. and by the way, people inside the catholic faith who have wanted this for a long time that he will not be caught asleep at the switch on this issue. >> i'll say as a practicing catholic, it's great to see these quotes. two things, why is the vatican pushing back? who's really speaking for the church right now? i hope it's the pope and i hope these quotes are accurate.

second, obviously just like in politics and any institution that's failing right now, you have to follow up with action. those numbers are shocking but not surprising. the church has to clean itself up, quick. and "dawn of the planet of the apes" took -- >> yes. >> it's supposed to be a great movie, really. >> i don't get it. >> took in nearly $73 million at the weekend box office. $73 million? at least people go to the movies, i guess. it easy beat the debut of the last "planet of the apes" movie. "transformers age of extinction" came in second place and melissa mccarthy's comedy "tammy" came in third place. >> you get the point, joe, that we're past the age of 19 and nobody is making movies for us any more? you've got "tammy," "transformers" -- >> there is just no need to go to the movies anymore. >> there's none. let's go to the big talk.

turning now to the middle east where thousands of palestinians are heeding the advice of israel and evacuating their homes, the u.n. says about 17,000 palestinians have reached shelters, even though leaders of hamas urged residents not to leave northern gaza. israeli forces warned residents by leaflets and phone calls of a strike against hamas in that region. martin joins us from the middle east. >> reporter: hi, mika. israel warned the residents to leave their homes. about 17,000 are now being put up in schools. today israel has rocketed those homes. 40 attacks today against that area. aiming at the rocket launchers and the systems that fire the rockets against israel. the palestinians have fired about 40 rockets into israel. so it has heated up this morning to the background of peace talks

that are being muted across the arab world. but i would like to point out, you began your program talking about the world cup. there was -- the guns went silent last night for the world cup final. then of course there was -- when the game went into extra time there was another half hour's reprieve, but for the residents of southern gaza, it was bad news because of earlier palestinian rocket had hit an electric pylon in israel that provided electricity to that part of gaza so they weren't able to watch the world cup, so they were upset. but the rockets continue today. as i mentioned earlier, it's all happening to a background of increased diplomacy aimed at stopping israel's assault on gaza. >> nbc's martin fletcher, thank you. willie. let's bring in david ignatius now. david, what are we seeing now over the last i guess almost a week now, and is this different than what we've seen in the past? is it more serious? are we escalating here? >> we don't know yet where this

is going. i would say what we're seeing is a depressing replay of the wars that we've seen. we've seen two wars in gaza over the last six years. "the washington post" reported this morning there's a phrase israelis have come to use about dealing with hamas as it gets stronger and then you mow the lawn. you take hamas down. you have a limited war in gaza that goes after their rockets, goes after the weapons they use against israel and then several years of relative peace and then time for another war. that's the kind of cycle of violence that secretary of state john kerry and president obama wanted to address in their peace initiative. over nine months kerry traveled tirelessly, people made fun of him for being obsessive about the palestinian issue. i'd say one thing that we've seen in the last month is why that u.s. mediation effort was needed and also why it seems to be futile. that it doesn't break through

the basic cycles here of extremism that lead to violence. i collected last week a series of a half dozen statements by kerry, each of them saying if we don't make progress, we are going to end up in another war. and there wasn't progress. the peace talks broke down and we are in another war. >> eugene robinson, jump in. >> david, what is the -- as this unfolds, what are we hearing from the palestinian authority, from abbas, the more moderate voice of the palestinian people? how are they reacting to this war? >> abbas saw this war as a mistake. he has been moving toward the more moderate elements of hamas, trying to get a unity government that would give abbas and his people more control. again, what was evident in this crisis is the ability of moderates to steer the course

and prevent extremists from doing things that blow up the relative calm that just isn't there. from everything we know this is a war that abbas didn't want, netanyahu didn't want, even elements of hamas didn't want and here it is. >> could the year 2030 look a lot like the year 2000? plus, why more and more u.s. firms are looking to change their mailing address to outside the u.s. like one a month, major firms. but first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. you're back. >> i am back, mika, and refreshed people are telling me. hate to see what i looked like before the vacation. good morning, everyone. let me show you some interesting hail video from russia. this is in siberia. look at the hail stones falling on the beach and look what they're doing to the water. this moved in in a hurry. people had nowhere to run. i guess i don't know what i

would do. you're sitting there in the water, hoping to the out of the water in time but some were seeking shelters under little metal umbrellas and that was about it. pretty cool video. didn't hear of anyone getting too hurt so that helps. this active weather pattern, normally in july it's kind of slow, you get some heat waves. maybe every now and then you can deal with a tropical system but this jetstream is just doing a huge buckle up into canada, dipping back down through the great lakes and that's going to lead to some very unusual weather this week. temperatures are going to fall down to like spring-like levels in the great lakes, ohio valley. this being the middle of july, it's typically the hottest portion of summer. out west, that's where all the heat is going to be. it's like 104 today in boise, medford, oregon, is like 106 tomorrow. so there's consequences of this very chilly air mass heading in and it's going to be severe thunderstorms, almost like we do in the springtime. we've got storms over the ohio valley and areas of kentucky are

getting drenched. eventually this will all spread east. we have about 80 million people at risk today of severe storms, including all the big cities on i-95 from boston, hartford, philly and d.c. not tornados, just damaging wind and a lot of lightning. also the potential of torrential rain and flooding from the philadelphia area to new york city, all the way through areas around hartford and massachusetts. if you're going to the airport late today, there will be significant delays even on the roads too for the northeast. how about that cool weather, chicago? imagine that, low 70s in the middle of the summer. so chicago enjoys the western country's not so much delight. l.a. not too bad but very hot over the next couple of days in the interior west. you're watching "morning joe."

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it is time now to take a look at the morning papers. we will start, joe, with "the new york times." the last surviving member of the punk band the ramones has passed away. tommy, co-founder of the band back in 1974 along with joey, dee dee and johnny ramone. the band influenced generations of performers and are best known for "i want to be sedated" among others. the ramones were inducted into the rock 'n' roll hall of fame in 2002. tommy was ballottles cancer ands 65 years old, joe. >> obviously willie geist, one

of the most influential bands in new york city in the 1970s. you also, donny deutsch, had the entire scene and the ramones were at the center of the punk movement even before the sex pistols blasted across the atlantic from britain. >> yeah, there are bands whose influence is larger than the amount of albums that they have sold. to your point, this band more than really any other signifies an entire almost decade-long movement so obviously will be missed. >> no doubt about it. >> ron was talking about a song that springsteen wrote. >> joe, you might appreciate this. i read yesterday that the ramones didn't have any big hits, despite their influence. and they ramone asked springsteen to write him a song, "hungry heart" but then at the last minute decided to keep it for himself. did you know that? >> wow!

okay, thanks, bruce, for nothing. >> you've got ron fornier talking about the ramones. you can't find this anywhere else on television. >> that's hot. okay. let's move on to "the telegraph." this morning a massive operation is underway off the coast of italy to salvage the cruise ship costa concordia. it crashed nearly two and a half years ago killing 32 people on board. today crews began the process of refloating the wreck using massive tanks to create air pockets. once afloat, the boat will be tugged 150 miles north to port where it will be scrapped. >> this, a 76-year-old man from california made a big, big, big catch this weekend, pulling in a 482-pound halibut out of the waters off of the coast of alaska. it took the fisherman, jack

mcguire, 40 minutes to pull the 95-inch fish in from the water. it broke the previous record set in 1996 for 459-pound halibut but it's not going to be recognized because the fish was shot before it pulled out of the water. >> what? s he shot it? >> i would have shot it too. >> i don't know. "the los angeles times," actor christopher walken will play the role of captain hook in nbc's live production of "peter pan." oh, my god. walker -- walken has starred in the film versions of the musical "hairspray" and "pennies from heaven." he said, quote, it's a chance to put my tap shoes on again. the production airs december 4th. so far no other casting announcements have been made. christopher walken is one of my favorite actors of all time. he's crazy. he's absolutely insane.

in the best way you could ever imagine. he's frightening. willie? >> it's an inspired choice, captain hook. >> i like it, i can't wait. let's get a look at the politico play book. for that we go to mr. mike allen. mike, good morning. >> good morning, willie. >> let's talk about this feud, rick perry published a bruising op-ed criticizing rand paul's stance on iraq as isolationist. saying president obama's policies have led us to this but perry also spoke about this on cbs' "face the nation." >> disagree with senator paul's representation of what america should be doing. america can no longer come back on to the continental united states and draw a red line around the shore of america and think that we're somehow or

another not going to be impacted. >> now rand paul is responding in politico saying the texas governor is mischaracterizing his position. paul writes there are many things i write about texas governor rick perry, including his stance on the tenth amendment to the constitution. but apparently his new glasses have altered his perception of the world. >> there you go. >> or allowed it to see it any more clearly. he goes on to criticize governor perry for advocating sending troops back into iraq, a position perry took during his failed 2012 campaign. paul writing, quote, i asked governor perry how many americans should send their sons or daughters to die for a foreign country, a nation the iraqis won't defend for themselves. how texan mothers and fathers will governor perry ask to send their children to fight in iraq? i will not hold my breath for an answer. if refusing to send americans to die for a country that refuses to defend itself an isolationist, perhaps it's time we retire that pejorative. mike, explain what's going on here with rand paul.

>> well, he's making sense. >> why did governor perry start the fight with rand paul to begin with on saturday? >> this is the firsthand-to-hand combat of the 2016 republican race. usually these exchanges would be more subtle. here they go right for each other by name. the headline in the print edition saturday "washington post" was "rand paul is wrong on iraq by rick perry" and then we have senator paul striking back in politico and going straight for the smart glasses. a very personal shot there, calling this a fictionalized account of his foreign policy. willie, what we're seeing here is that rand paul is going to play tough. we've talked about how he has been smart about his message, talking to a bigger group than the republican party usually does. he's done the most aggressive travel of any of the candidates and he's shown he's ready to fight. rick perry is saying i want in.

rick perry is saying that he wants attention in this primary that's already under way. >> mike allen, thank you. more u.s. companies are seeking asylum overseas. why being a u.s.-based multi national company is increasingly becoming a disadvantage and what that trend means for the average american. it's basically avoiding taxes. i don't know what else it is. we'll talk about it next.

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welcome back to "morning joe." joining us on set, cnbc's sara eisen with business before the bell. i saw this story in the "boston globe" over the weekend. here's the headline, more u.s. firms chase mergers that yield overseas address. it's corporate inversions, right? >> inversions. >> one a month. >> inversions are the new black. this is really popular right now, seriously. what that means is basically american companies looking to buy other companies overseas so that they can relocate their headquarters and save money. it's a loophole for the corporate tax code. >> the law has to change for two reasons. >> why is it so hard? >> we're losing revenues but companies that are actually in a position to buy other companies

are able to do it because their balance sheet changes because of the taxes. >> why wouldn't they? >> look at what's the news today. shire, a company based out of dublin. addbe has been trying five times to buy this company based in ireland so it can relocate to the u.s. their taxes will go from plus 20% to 13%. >> so chiqita, fruit of the loom, we're not talking about teeny tiny companies. we're talking about this country losing its home address to major corporations abroad. is it the corporate tax rate? >> yes, that's exactly it. >> why can't we -- >> we've got to fix it. >> elizabeth warren is working on this along with a couple of other members of congress. is there a deal to be cut? >> well, the democrats and the republicans have different views about how to fix this, of course. what elizabeth warren wants, she wants a two-year moratorium on

these corporate tax inversions. republicans would say we just need to overhaul the corporate tax code or bring corporate taxes down to zero. >> so why can't you have an agreement to agree to overhaul it and put a two-year moratorium on corporate inversions. >> because the overhaul from the republicans' point of view would be to lower the corporate rate. >> can we agree to lower it a little bit? >> you're going to lose the revenue one way or another. >> but you're going to gain back the company. >> it's not that they're physically going, you want to gain back that revenue. >> that's what ime meant. if we overhaul it, we're still at zero. let's say the corporate tax rate is 20 and overseas it's 13. we lower it to 13, we're not gaining anything. >> how about a corporate tax holiday which they did in 2004 for a certain period of time let these companies with all those earnings that they have over there they don't want to pay taxes on, let them bring it back

with no earnings but that's another political football. >> but it's semantics. the example that you used, my husband works for adve but buying shire, that's just an address only. >> it's an address but it's tax dollars. >> but that's not going to lose jobs in the states. they're not -- we're not talking about relocation overseas, it's just technically about getting that address. >> exactly. and because it's been such a stigma, these companies will go the extra mile and say it's good for america because we're going to save money and taxes so we'll invest more in r & d and jobs in this country. but the bottom line is if it's not contributing to our taxes, someone is going to have to pick up the slack and that could be everyday workers. >> we'll stay on this topic hoping to get elizabeth warren on soon about it, both sides of it as well because there are two sides of the story and the question is why they can't agree. before you go, citigroup settles? >> $7 billion. we've got another big fine. not as high as the jpmorgan settlement which was $13 billion but this is trying to put all of

the mortgage issues behind citigroup. bank of america is still working on its deal with the department of justice. eric holder set to announce it a little later. clearly it's cutting into these bank earnings. today citigroup reported profits down 96% from a year ago because of these legal headaches. >> the balance sheets, where is all this money coming from? these guys have tens of billions of dollars of cash on their balance sheet? >> they do. >> that's the answer, they do. >> as a result of the settlement, what will be the change in corporate policy and the way they do business so the little guy is protected. i'm sure there's a huge list. >> yes, i'll review all of the 10,000 pages of dodd-frank right now. seriously, they are trying to strengthen the controls. the federal reserve does stress tests and the banks have to get permission if they want to return cash to shareholders. citigroup has been having trouble with this. they have been rejected with their plans because they have to go over and make sure the risk

controls are very clear so that if something does happen to the economy again, they're insulated so the taxpayer doesn't have to bail them out. >> sara, stay with us. still ahead, is the u.s. standard of living headed in the wrong direction? how that trend could hurt an entire generation, and what, if anything, can be done about it? "morning joe" will be right back. [ male announcer ] at northrop grumman,

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predictions that the next generation may not be better off than their parents. it's something people have been worried about in polls and now there's research to back it up. they forecast in 15 years the u.s. standard of living could revert to the standard of living in 2000, 9% below today. steve, welcome to the show. >> thank you. >> tell us a little more with these findings, also in terms of people's attitudes and perhaps what information led you to make this conclusion. it's stunning. >> yeah, it is. and i shared it all with the national governors association, as you said, mika, on saturday. but there's three primary trends that are driving the outcome that you mentioned. first of all is the decline in the population. specifically in the workforce population in the united states. we've seen roughly a 6% drop in the workforce population. and frankly it's driven by the baby boomers.

second thing is participation. participation in the workforce for people ages 18 to 65 is at its lowest level since 1977. and the third thing is really productivity. when you talk about the productivity of the workforce, 5 out of the last 10 years that productivity level has been less than 1%. and you could impact the standard of living if you had the productivity level higher given the other two trends but when you have all three trends headed in the wrong direction, you have this perfect storm that impacts the standard of living. >> you also take a look, and this is kind of interesting, how the government can actually try and impact this to pull it back a little bit before this decline goes down 9% the next 15 years. and that's kind of an interesting way of looking at it. you've got a list here. let's go through it. but it's what the government can do, number one, create analytics

on state's talent supply and demand. develop talent supply pipeline for small-medium sized businesses. offer job seekers personalized road maps. focus on goal of improving standard of living. did you base this on what you think the government can do because it hasn't been doing enough? >> well, our research would show that both employers and employees feel like the government can play a more active role in connecting both the talent agenda, the workforce development skills that are in the marketplace with potential employers. take each one of the four, mika. first of all, from an analytics standpoint, the government can actually take a more proactive position in connecting both the supply and the demand for talent. let me give you one quick example there. in our research the state of virginia, the we basically did an analysis of the job for a

welder. if you actually went out and looked at the workforce development statistics for needs for welders, there was about 1100 jobs available, if you will. if, on the other hand, you looked at the talent and the competency requirements, there was three times that number of jobs available. so the government could play an active role in connecting both the talent supply and the demand in the marketplace. if you think about how segmented small business and medium-sized businesses are, how segregated they are and how fragmented that industry is, you can really bring that together of t. the government could play a very active role. >> so people are shooting in the dark looking for jobs and the government could help at least provide a map in terms of the areas where they should try and apply whatever skills they have. >> and what he's talking about

you see every single month in that government jobs reports that comes out. there's a mismatch between skills. what jobs are open and what people are actually trained to do. it's something that was left over from the financial crisis. the question is does that ever catch up enough where we can train our students and our workers for the jobs that are actually available. >> there's another thing that's happening here and these reports don't help it. i don't know if you see this with people coming out of college, young people. it's a learned helplessness. it's okay to be unemployed. where i came out of college, getting a job wasn't a question. i talk to so many young people because they read studies like this, i'm not putting this study down or because they read the newspapers and it's not a given, it's almost acceptable six months out of college. and something in the mindset has got to change. >> steve, your company recruits 60,000 people a year is one number i heard. what is it that you get in feedback in terms of the

psychological aspect of this which does, i think, play into actually making things happen? there's a real negative attitude toward the way we think our children are going to do? >> well, i think part of it is it's hard to generalize that. the people that we recruit frankly coming out of college are interested in working and motivated in working and they have relevant skills for the business that we run. i think there is a set -- a generation, if you will, or a segment of this generation and our research showed it was roughly 40% that feel like they're underemployed based on their college degree. another 13% were completely unemployed. so what i think we have to do, and i mentioned this to the governors on saturday, is we have to connect government and education and the employment community together. and i think it starts with a talent strategy and a workforce

development strategy that addresses the four items that you mentioned in the graphic there. the one thing i really hit hard was the importance of outcomes. right now there's 47 federal programs spending $18 billion on workforce development. and if the states really focus that in connecting both education and employers, i think we could move the needle in terms of employment. >> all right, steve rohleder, great to have you on the show. thank you very much. cnbc's sara eisen, good to have you on. >> we love sara eisen. >> she's adorable, and smart. still ahead -- >> i thought she just lived in a box. >> no, she does not live in a box. thanks for coming in. still ahead, you never know what's coming next when the vice president begins a statement like this. >> i probably shouldn't say this, but -- but then again i'm joe biden. >> exactly. we'll find out if the vice president got himself in any trouble. stay with us, we'll be right back. let me get this straight... [ female voice ] yes?

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i probably shouldn't say this, but -- but then again, i'm joe biden. >> all right. i love biden. people were nervous when the vice president prefaced one of his remarks to the nation's governors with that disclaimer. but it turns out he was just employing the governors to,

quote, lead us out of the mess we're in. not so bad. take a look. >> there's always been very, very tough politics in washington. i got there when there was still some of the old se gagregationi were still there. but it never got to where it was today, it was never personal. you folks, the democratic and republican governors are the best we have to bring back an atmosphere where we can disagree without being disagreeable. >> all right. that's all for us this morning. we are going to go to kristen welker in just a moment. i want to show you some pictures, though. this is my brother, the ambassador to sweden. do you know what he's doing to try to raise awareness between a free trade investment agreement between the u.s. and e.u.? he is biking across sweden, like the entire, complete, 1 husz

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