thanks for joining me tonight. i appreciate it. that is "all in" for this evening. a very happy anniversary to you, babe. i love you. the "rachel maddow show" starts with steve kornacki filling in. thanks to you at home nr staying with us for the next hour. rachel has the night off. start by asking if you remember the kiss. in case you haven't heard the story, it starts back in november 2004. it's when george w. bush was re-elected as president over john kerry. in the following february. that's february of 2005. bush was set to give his first state of the union address since being re-elected. obviously this was a big deal. the first speech to set the course of his second term as president. it was february 2nd, 2005. that was the date to be exact. after bush finished delivering that speech, that state of the union address, he made his way up along the aisle in the house chamber and toward the exits. the scene you've seen on tv every year, it seems. those members of congress, they

reach out, try to shake his hand, try to get a word in with him. maybe try to get their picture taken. maybe try to get on the news while the president is trying to leave the building. on his way out that night back on february 2nd, 2005, bush spotted one particular senator who he wanted to stop. we wanted to talk to. so he stopped, he leaned over, and he put his hand on joe lieberman of connecticut and then as you see there, he kissed him. it was an unexpected move. got a lot of attention. it ended up playing a big role in the history of american politics for the past decade because joe lieberman was still a full fledged democrat back then. he'd been his party's candidate for vice president back in 2000. he'd run for president, himself, in 2004. in 2005, democrats were starting to turn on him. because it was then that the iraq war was spiralling out of control, and lieberman wouldn't stop standing with bush. that's why bush was so happy to see him in the chamber that night. to those democrats who were starting to turn on lieberman, this was a big moment, an image

that crystalized their feelings. this was the ultimate symbol of how close to bush lieberman had become. the following year in 2006, lieberman ran for re-election in connecticut, he got a challenge in the democratic primary and opponents put that kiss image on buttons, in ads. the image was a big reason lieberman went down in that primary. why he ended up spending the rest of his time in the senate as an independent. and now here's the thing. there was actually around that same time, around that time pof that kiss, there was actually another candidate who george w. bush also looked forward to seeing during his state of the union addresses. he made that very clear the year after the lieberman kiss. this was in the 2006 state of the union address. right after bush had finished his speech, he was also making his way out of the capitol. he was trying to exit. s he he wworking his way througe

crowds and saw his other favorite democrat, a texas congressman named henry quayar. ha he's doing isn't a kiss, but a cusping of his cheeks. a clasp. it was the clasp. less famous than the kiss, but it's very significant right now. the clasp. the thing is, when that picture was taken, henry quayar was running for re-election, just a month after that picture was taken. that picture, clasp, happened a few months before in the heat of a primary campaign when he was being challenged in the democratic primary. the picture could have been toxic to henry. could have been the equivalent to the kiss. henry quayar was facing the same basic charge lieberman was facing in connecticut. liberals who believed he was way too close, way too friendly to george busw. bush and wanted hi gone. it didn't work. here's the henry quayar story. in the 2000 presidential election when he was a state representative in texas, he chose to back then-republican governor george w. bush for

president over his own party's candidate, al gore. he was basically a bush surrogate. bush campaign proceeded to use quayar in bush for president ad campaign, quoting him from the "associated press." saying "as a democratic member of the house appropriations committee, cuellar said by criticizing the state's fiscal health, gore is attacking us, the legislature." following year in 2001, republican governor rick perry appointed henry cuellar sk tear of state in texas. in 2004 though he did back john kerry over bush that year, cuellar decided to run for congress not against any democrat but the chairman of the -- krurks ellar ran in that primary and turns out it was a very contentious race over the initial tally gave rodriguez a 145-vote lead. after a recount, cuellar moved

ahead by 58 votes to the race ended up going to court and in the end henry cuellar declared the winner of the seat. he upset a sitting democratic member of congress in a primary. in 2006, rodriguez came back to try to get his revenge. cuellar, of course, by then infuriated national liberal groups. the conservative group, the club for growth, you've probably heard of them, came in and endorsed henry cuellar. i was reporting on that race back then when i was at "roll call." the very first time ever the club for growth endorsed a democrat. that was the context for george bush clasping henry cuellar. seeing an old buddy for the election and gives that buddy a good luck clasp. cuellar ended up survivsurvivin though. democrats after that election stopped trying to oust him. for as long as they wanted to, they figured he was going to be representing the slice of south texas in congress. now flash forward to right now, all these years later, we are being reminded why he drove

democrats nuts in the first place. >> so congressman, by that i take it you mean he should be seeing the border? >> well, i hope that doesn't become a katrina moment. >> should he be going to the border today? he's in texas. >> absolutely. he'll be 500 miles from dallas, and in fact, 242 miles from the other fund-raiser he'll be having. he's so close to the border. let me say this. when i saw -- i hate to use the word bizarre, but under the circumstances when he is shown playing pool in colorado, drinking a beer, and he can't even go 242 miles to the texas border? >> congressman, president obama is visiting texas today but not going to the border. is that a mistake? >> i think it is. look, he's going to be in austin 242 miles away from the border. he's going to be in dallas, 500 miles away from the border. last night, we saw some of the photographs where he was in colorado drinking a beer,

playing pool. i mean, the outtakes are just horrible. >> you think he looks detached at this moment? >> yes, unfortunately i think he does. >> we've been hearing a lot from congressman henry cuellar during the border crisis. he's a democrat, a member of the congressional hispanic caucus. he has emerged as an unusually blunt critic of president obama. a lot of that he gets stems from the fact he's a member of the president's own party. any republican, after all, can attack the administration and say that the president is detached or bizarre or whatever. but when a democrat does it, it becomes much bigger news. it's much more powerful when a democrat does it about a democratic president. today, we learned that republican texas senator john cornyn and democratic congressman henry cuellar are prepared to release a bipartisan bicameral bill to deal with the current border crisis. a bipartisan proposal being introduced in congress tomorrow. the bill would essentially rewrite the current 2008 george

w. bush law so that minors from central american countries can be treated like those from mexico and canada, they can be deported more quickly. under the plan, unaccompanied minors from any country would be able to have an immigration court hearing within seven days of their processing of health and human services and immigration judge would be required to rule on their case within three days. it appears the administration isn't totally against this bill, they have yet to officially get behind it, many democrats including the hispanic caucus have indicated they don't have plans to support the legislation. now, we asked congressman cuellar to come on the show tonight but he said he had a scheduling conflict. what are the prospects? joining us, congress mman. start with the bill. if you can help us understand it a little bit. right now we're hearing so much about the bill that treats

unaccompanied minors coming in from the central american countries different than unaccompanied minors who might come in from mexico, say. what specifically would happen if this bill were enacted? what would happen to an unaccompanied minor coming in from central america that's not happening right now? >> well, to put it very simply, right now they wait about two years before they get a hearing to determine whether they're going to stay in the country or whether they're going to go back. this would make that about a two-wo two-week process. the way the law is written now, if you come from a con tig wous state, mexico or canada, obviously we're talking about mexico here, that process is a matter of days. a border patrol agent can determine whether you qualify for asylum, refugee status or visas available for kids who are trying to get here and immediately hand them over. part of the reasoning is we can do that safely and directly to mexican officials and we know they're going to take care of them. the reason this law was introduced back in 2008 is that it's a more involved process.

obviously it involves the plane flight, it involves looking at the specific cases that they're facing back home. we don't have the same relationship with these governments that we do with mexico. so the thinking was let's have more protections for these kids so that when we send them back, we know it's a safer situation. we know, we understand better where they're headed. and so what they're trying to do now with this bill is to treat all those other kids as we treat kids from mexico or canada. speed up that process and make it a lot quicker. the law, itself, actually doesn't require that they face an immigration judge. but that's usually the practice. they end up being here so long, they end up going before a judge. this law would actually require that for the first time. so it kind of balances it out. they do have the guarantee where they're going to see a judge, but it's going to be a heck of a lot quicker. >> where are the politics on capitol hill and in washington about this? we have, i guess the congressional hispanic congress is already denouncing the proposal. they're going out there and saying congressman cuellar does not speak for us on this. >> right. >> at the same time, i've seen reporting the white house has

basically indicated and done this in this indirect way where they won't say it officially but have people tell reporters this off the record. the white house seems to be sending the message that, hey, we'd like congress to do this, tie it to this funding request. is this something the white house wants but doesn't want to come out and say they want right now? >> well, exactly what you're saying. they were the first ones to actually bring this up. this was about a week ago when the president made that speech in the rose garden. a week ago monday. and he announced he was going to be asking for some more money. and he said he was going to be looking for some changes into the laws. you know, we found out that it was specifically this law and it was this very thing we're talking about. being able to treat these central american kids. >> why is the white house so hesitant to say that publicly and to publicly embrace it? what's keeping them back politica politically? >> i'm not sure about that. i can tell you as soon as that kind of broke out, all of a sudden they started getting blowback from a lot of democrats on the hill. senator patrick leahy, chairman of the judiciary committee in the senate who orchestrated the

immigration bill last year that passed the senate, he said he would fight, quote, tooth and nail to oppose it. other senators have been lining up. dick durbin, a close ally of the white house said he wants more money for kids to get lawyers. other lawyers -- other democrats in both chambers are saying that this is really an unfair tradeoff just to get some money to take care of these kids. the blowback has been pretty sharp and been pretty heated just in the last couple days since this start materializing. >> and what about -- we went through some of the history. i remember when i was covering congress in '06 when cuellar beat rodriguez in the primary. he bragged to us. i just gave him a south texas beating. i remember that's the expression he used. so obviously, you know, he's been getting a lot of, you know, sort of blowback, the democratic party the last couple weeks for how he's been talking about the president and the president's handling of the immigration crisis, the border crisis right now. with his fingerprints on a bill like this, does that actually make it more radioactive with democrats? is that how they're now

responding to henry cuellar? >> you can see it a couple different ways here. i mean, join look at the sort of traditional party breakdown, once you get right on the border, things get a little b different. on the one hand, we're talking about henry cuellar as if he's a staunch republican trying to hammer on these republicans. he's one of the strongest opponents of extending the border wall. he says it's an old solution that can't really work and that's a traditional republican thing to be pushing for to secure the border. his brother is a sheriff down there along the border. he understands these issues very well. so it's -- and it's very complicated when you start talking to the folks along the border about what they think needs to work and what they think can solve this problem. >> i'm just curious, though, he really has, it seems, gone out of his way in the last couple weeks to be going after president obama to be picking a public fight with -- what are the politics of that? it's a democratic district he comes from. is there a political angle, you know, behind this? is there some history with him and obama maybe that we done know about?

>> i mean, as far as their history together, i'm not really sure. he's in a safe district. he, last year he won with, like, 67% of the vote in the democrat i primary and he ran unopposed. the year before that there wasn't opposition in the democratic primary. obviously he's a little insulated. he has the opportunity to do things other democrats cannot do. so what is his point in doing this, why he's making this point? as the clips you showed, when he's talking about the president's actions as being bizarre, when he brings up that question of is this obama's katrina moments? those are republican talking points for the last week or so. yeah, you wonder where he's coming from. i'm not exactly sure what the impetus of his push is. it's not that he's worried about his district. whether he's looking for another office or what he truly believes and wants to push to get this thing done, you know, it would have been nice for him to be out here to explain this a little bit. >> yeah, i mean, every republicans' favorite democrat, they said that about lieberman a

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almost one month ago exactly, on the afternoon of june 17th, some surprising news broke that immediately became front page headlines. this was news leaking of the capture of one of the suspected ringleaders, the attacks on the diplomatic mission in benghazi, libya. u.s. special forces has taken him in a raid a few days before and upstaged another announce pt the obama administration was hoping to deliver that same day because that same day is when the justice department planned to break the news that the federal government was going to sue one of the country's largest banks. lead prosecutor for the doj had

been flown in from colorado, a press conference room had been booked in preparation for the announcement they were going to go after citigroup for its role in the financial crisis. doj hoped the suit would send a clear public message. message that the obama administration was serious about holding wall street accountable. but then at the last minute, prosecutors pulled back. because they feared the benghazi news was taking over the day. just as department officials decided to postpone filing their suit. this was a suit that had been in the works since citigroup balked at a reported $12 billion settlement remand from the justice department. bank's original offer had been far less gigantic, $360 million. they were at an impasse. the bank was told to be ready for a federal lawsuit. when the benghazi arrest happened, the suit didn't come. that allowed for more time. culminating in today's announcement citigroup will shell out $7 billion to pay for their financial sins. this case, knowingly selling investments and bad mortgages that brought the u.s. economy to

its knees six years ago now. settlement includes a record $4 billion. that's $4 billion with a "b." a $4 billion penalty for their misdeeds along with $2.5 billion earmarked for so-called consumer relief. reportedly will go to helping those struggling to pay their mortgages, finance affordable housing. today's announcement is the latest of justice department settlements with the big banks. november, jpmorgan chase, a land mark $13 billion, a sizable chunk of the fines and fees big banks agreed to pay in the fallout from the credit crisis. "wall street journal" has been keeping a stunning tally of the payouts which top more than $100 million as of today. bank of america is leading the pack so far having already forked over $56 billion. they're still in negotiations with the department of justice about what they owe the federal government. the mortgage settlements are the last of the unfinished business from the collapse of 2008.

ju upwards of $14 trillion in economic damage, an amount of money that's almost too abstract, too enormous to comprehend. if we're able to compare that double digit trillion-dollar figure with $100 million in fees the big banks have paid out, it raises the we of whether the punishment has fit the crime. have the too big to fail banks made real changes to ensure another crisis is not just around the corner? joining us now, andrew ross sorkin, "the new york times" columnist and co-host of "squawk box" on cnbc. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> headline this morning. $7 billion settlement, fine, however you want to phrase that. okay. another headline this afternoon. citi's stock goes up. this isn't a real punishment, right? >> it's not a real punishment. look, this is too little, too late. had they wanted to do this in 2009 when homes were being foreclosed upon, perhaps we could argue that this is the right type of thing that happened. but if you really look at what happened here, who's paying

this? nobody's going to jail. the shareholders of citigroup today, not the shareholders who were there, by the way, six, seven, eight years ago, they're the ones that are paying for this. so i look at this situation and i say, it looks to me very much like the executives of citigroup using shareholder money, not their own, have effectively bribed the government to say, go away. on the other side, to some extent i would argue, if i want to argue the other point, i would say the government clearly not having a case against any individual or at least not deciding to bring one, has decided to bribe citigroup and their shareholders so that they can come up with a statement and a press release. >> so what is -- let's look at this. $2.5 billion in consumer relief. that's the -- what does not mean? $2.5 billion sounds like a big -- what does that mean to the consumer? will they feel it? >> no. that's why i said if they had done this five years ago, you could have felt it. what's almost comical about this at this point is citigroup has very little mortgage business.

in fact, they don't have mortgages to change the structure of. in fact, so much so that what they're doing now, part of the deal is they're going to subsidize effectively affordable housing. which has basically nothing to do with this case. by the way, the case, itself, was actually about defrauding investors. it wasn't, oddly enough, about defrauding -- so i'm not sure the punishment fits the crime. i'm not sure the crime -- it's just, the whole thing. >> i mean, it reminds me -- i was saying to somebody earlier it reminds me of a scene from the "sopranos." tony soprano would beat up the guy and throw a couple 20 dollar bills at him. it's the money i have to fork over to do what i have to do. >> that's the answer. the cost of doing business. >> is there any way the government could have extracted more? why is the government settling for so little if citibank -- >> i'm not sure if it's so little. look, i'm not sure somebody who believes that corporations are people, to use an old cliched expression. if there's a crime, they should

go after the people who are responsible for the crime and then they should go after the company. >> do you think there were crimes? >> oh, i'm sure there were crimes here. >> why -- what's been the reluctance there? >> i think they went after this too late. they didn't go after this aggressively enough. and ultimately, the crimes that did happen probably were too far down the chain to make the impact that they wanted to in terms of getting that poster boy. that's what they wanted and don't have it. >> i think holder was saying today there's still the possibility of some kind of criminal -- >> yes, but that's -- >> it's not going to happen, is it? >> it's very difficult to believe. the statute of limitations has kind of run out. the dodd/frank legislation tries to extend it. but anybody who brings a case is going to then, of course, face a whole other legal challenge. just on the fact of whether they can actually bring the case or not. >> so citibank, the other big banks, wall street, five or six years. okay. >> five or six years. >> we've had dodd/frank, all these incremental settlements here and there. right now has wall street, have the big banks, has citibank

changed in any fundamental way we can feel good about versus five, six years ago? >> the answer is yes. if you asked me two, three years ago i would have said no. i think wall street has changed. citigroup looks like a very different firm than it did then. there is less risk being taken in the firm than before. having said that, there are other risks now building up in the system. in other places, frankly, that aren't regular lated. will we have another crisis? of course we'll have another crisis. will it be a banking crisis? maybe not. >> the rearview mirror problem. looking at the last thing and forgetting about the thing -- >> the ultimate problem every single time. >> on that optimistic note, andrew ross sorkin. >> sorry to depress you. >> "the new york times" columnist. co-host of "sidewalk box" on cnbc. thanks for being here. say you're a democrat, running for office. what party big wig do you want on the trail with you right now? think about that for a second and ask yourself if you're really sure. we'll explain why just ahead.

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months for extortion. from behind bars he described himself as, quote, a candidate with conviction. even though he's just a classic political, keith judd somehow got his name on the ballot in west virginia in 2012. when he did, he did great. he got 41% of the vote. he didn't win the primary, but he did better in west virginia in 2012 as a convict than barack obama did in 2008 as a united states senator. keith judd, the candidate who was sitting in prison actually won ten whole counties in that democratic primary. ten whole counties against the president of the united states. he did well enough that he bothered trying to contest the results. or maybe that was just a way of passing time because he was bored. in any case, come november in the general election, president obama lost west virginia to mitt romney by 27 points. the president lost every single county in west virginia. all 55 of them. safe to say that west virginia really, really doesn't like

barack obama. now that we are in the heart of this year's midterm election campaign, start to see state by state where the president is unpopular, iffy proposition politically. sometimes you can see that by direct polling, sometimes you can see it by how the democrats from his own democratic party are reacting to him. in arkansas, democratic senator mark pryor, one of the toughest fights for re-election this year. he's campaigning hard but not with president obama. in colorado, president obama showed up for a fund-raising event last week for democratic senator mark udall. mark udall was nowhere to be seen. he stayed in washington, which his campaign insisted was not a political decision but sure looked like one in the beltway press. yesterday in alaska, democratic senator mark begich described himself to the "washington post" as a sharp object sent to the capitol to jab at president obama. "sort of, i'll be a thorn in his posterior." senator begich told the "post,"

"there's times when i'm a total thorn, you know, and he doesn't appreciate it." it makes a certain pure political sense for democratic politicians to steer clear of his party's president when the president is not popular in their home state especially if you're campaigning in a state that obama lost by a lot. what's interesting, though, is h who some of the democrats do think help him this year. president obama lost in kentucky last year by 22 points. he's unpopular in kentucky. last month the democratic hopeful for the senate there brought in senator elizabeth warren instead. alison lundergan-grimes campaigning. elizabeth barren brought her message to kentucky and was happy to have it. today in west virginia where barack obama remains as unpopular as ever, in west virginia where coal is king and obama is seen as the destroyer, in that state today the democratic senate hopeful called

on elizabeth warren for help. you womill find her betting tha elizabeth warren will boost her campaign and her brand of populism is still popular. >> you can talk to them about what is at stake in this election. what it means for the families of west virginia. what it means for the future of west virginia. if west virginia decides to send a senator to washington who's going to be there to fight for wall street. for those who've already made it. or what it will mean for west virginia to have a person who will get up every morning and go to work to absolutely work her heart out for the families of west virginia. i'm here because i believe in democracy. i believe in what we can do

together. i believe in natalie tennant. she's going to be your next senator. make it happen. make it happen. make it happen. make it happen. >> e liz wlizabeth warren, demo surprising new campaign weapon in red states. joining us now, the capital bureau chief for the charleston "daily mail" in west virginia. when i look at west virginia, kentucky, a lot of red states where control of the senate is sport of going to be determined this year. the prevailing logic there for i don't know how long has been a democrat who wants to win west virginia has to get as far away as humanly possible from anyone who's associated with the national democratic party. make it the west virginia democratic party and not the national democratic party, and now i see elizabeth warren who's probably the most popular figure in the national democratic party coming into west virginia. what can she do there that no other national democrat can do?

>> well, the argument from the tennant campaign is she can come in and be a, quote, champion for the middle class. they expect senator warren's message will message with the residents and voters of west virginia. a vast majority or a large amount of west virginia's population relies on some of the welfare or social programs that national democrats tend to promote and historically democrats have, you know, done very well in the state so they're hoping senator warren's policy stance is on some of these issues will sort of resonate with these voters as opposed to some of her stances on the president's energy policy. >> so, i mean, the conventional wisdom about this race has been -- this is the senate seat that jay rockefeller, long-serving democrat, he's retiring this year. basically the assumption in washington this year, the republicans, shelley moore capito, the assumption is she's

going to win the race because west virginia at the federal level has become such a republican state. do you see it that way? >> that's certainly what you'll hear state-level republicans in the capito campaign talk about. the charleston "daily mail" commissioned a poll in may that showed congresswoman capito was up 11 points on secretary of state tennant and there was a consistent message that west virginia is slowly but surely turning into a republican-controlled state. congresswoman capito has served in the congress since 2000. she's handedly defeated her last several opponents and she's faced similar criticism of being a friend of wall street or being too close with bankers and that didn't really derail any of your previous campaigns, so i think that the state-level republicans here and the capito campaign are quite confident in where they stand in the race today. >> so how do you think the event went today? i mean, you mentioned it a little bit in the first answer

there. i mean, there is some tension where, for instance, one of the reasons president obama is so unpopular in west virginia has to do with coal, has to do with his environment policies. when you get to the idea of moving away from coal, moving away from fossil fuels, elizabeth warren is right there with the president, right there with sort of these environmentalists who politicians in west virginia tend to rail against. certainly natalie tennant being one of them. was there awkwardness today, was there any tension because of that? >> well, actually the event where the senator spoke with secretary tennant was in shepherdstown which is about as far east in west virginia. it's approximately six or seven hours from the coal fields region of the state, and so from what i was told, that there was about 450 supporters at the event, and that there were, you know, quite a few people there who agreed with the message according to several media reports and the campaign. today in charleston, congresswoman capito appeared

with representative paul ryan at a roundtable event with some local leaders in business, and that was -- the tennant event was also central to that roundtable, pointing out warren's, again, stances on energy policy. >> so talk a little bit, if you would, about the evolution of west virginia. it's so fascinating to me. i wonder if there's a state that's swung more dramatically from one party to another in a shorter period of time. i remember in 1988 michael dukakis getting crushed nationally and won west virginia. walter mondale almost won west virginia in 1984. now we're talking about it as one of the most -- look at all the stuff we just put out about president obama and his standing in the state. what is behind that? what is behind that shift? >> well, i think some of the rhetoric amongst politicos on both sides of the aisle kind of comes back to just a general

feeling that federal policy has shifted away from west virginia families. there are labor unions and teacher unions and just unions in general had a huge influence in the state for a long time and helped control the state for democrats, but just with shifts, most of them will point to the coal industry with some declines in the coal industry. people have started to align more with the republicans and typically, or just historically, democrats and a lot of people in wes west virginia have conservative social values, so especially leading up to the presidential campaigns of george w. bush, republicans noticed that there could be a chance for some pick-ups in the state and continued to do better and better at the federal level. >> all right. david boucher, capital bureau chief for the "charleston daily mail." i appreciate the time. took a freedom of information request for the public to learn certain details about the central intelligence

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whose identity he doesn't know or understand, avoid detection, and get fay dunaway to be his girlfriend. and because this is the '70s redford achieves it all but he's still left disillusioned and uncertain whether in the grand scheme of things he's succeeded. philosophical movie. it has one thing in common with every other spy movie that's ever been made, in it the cia agent is unflappable, rattled by nothing, adept even under the scariest circumstances. you know the type. crack foreign encryptions and successfully avoid a shoot-out at your secret cia offices, commandeer a cop car with four armed officers inside then drive that same car while handcuff no sweat. pop culture has consistently portrayed cia agents as the definition of cool under pressure. so it raises the question, what actually does get under the cia's skin? what irks them what eats at them, what unsettles the nerves of these masters of composure? is there anything big enough,

anything scary enough, anything dangerous enough to make them lose their cool? well today we found out. "the jazz salad was supposed to be a sonoma grape and prosciutto salad. this is one of my favorites so i stand in line and notice there are no grapes. grapes are in the title of the salad. i asked them about and the server pointed to the cherry tomatoes and said they're red grapes. i said, no, those are tomatoes. should i get grapes from the salad bar? she didn't give an opinion but i did get grapes from the salad bar." "as of late there seems to be a shortage of almonds for the breakfast cereal such as oatmeal, cream of wheat. i kind already request whoever is responsible for ordering food supplies note the level of usage and increase the almond purchases/supplies as appropriate." thanks to the freedom of information act and the rise of data journalism we have access

to all kinds of information that probably otherwise would never have seen the light of day. today that means we all know the cafeteria at the cia is pretty much like the cafeteria at any other office kubel farm in america. muckrock posted this set of documents awhile back and today they reposted them so a bunch of people including us found it for the first time. it is a treasure trove of cia employee complaints specifically about the office cafeteria. this is the stuff that rattles them. "please put back the individual packets of ketchup, mustard, and mayonnaise. two times this the week i heard folks make comments about these pump boxes. comments have been made indicating this process is cumbersome, a pain in the neck, is causing frustration by some people. it would be appreciated by many to put out the individual condiment pacts." "i had the russian meal today and am disappointed. first of all to try to be cute with a substitute, a backward

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