fighters and support into the separatists and talks must take place. so a very eventful hour here on "the ed show" on msnc. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpen starts now. >> good evening, ed. quite an eventful day. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, enough is enough. one house committee talked about suing president obama today. but the real drama was in another hearing where the gop scandalmonger in chief finally got called out. house oversight chairman darrell issa, who once called president obama's administration the most corrupt in history, had issued a spina to the president's political director. congressman elijah cummings said this time issa went too far.

>> we do not simply haul in one of the president's top advisers at will. there must be a valid reason. there must be a predicate. there must be a justification. some evidence that this official engaged in some type of inappropriate activity. that foundation simply does not exist. >> congress can't just spina someone for no reason. and congressman issa didn't give any proof of wrongdoing before he speubpoenaed david seamus, b issa said that was no problem. >> we do not and should not need a smoking gun in order to look into whether or not taxpayer dollars that are being spent are being spent properly. >> no smoking gun. no evidence.

no problem. from benghazi to the irs, to fast and furious, forget the facts. all congressman issa cares about is trying to make a scandal about this president, and he's tried over and over again. in his three years as chairman of the oversight committee, issa's issued 99 subpoenas. that's more than the last three chairs of the same committee combined. today, congressman cummings said, it's time to get back to business. >> members of this committee and i say it and i'll say it until i die, the members, each one of them, represents 700,000 plus people. 700,000. the members should have the chance to deliberate, especially on matters as serious as compelling the testimony of a senior presidential adviser. it is time for this committee to

stop serving as a center stage for political theater and for fulfilling responsibilities under the constitution to conduct responsible oversight. >> house republicans have spent too much time talking about scandals and lawsuits and impeachment. it's time someone told them to get serious. and telling darrell issa to knock it off is a good start. joining me now, congressman elijah cummings, the top democrat of the house oversight committee, and jonathan cape, part of the washington post. thank you both for being here. >> good to be on with you. >> congressman, it sounded today like you are really fed up with how representative issa runs the committee. >> i got very upset because first of all, he was trying to unilaterally subpoena one of the top advisers to the president.

and the white house had done everything in its power to work with chairman issa to provide him with any information that he wanted. but he wasn't really after trying to answer the questions that he claimed it was all about. it was supposed to be about the hatch act. and whether there was any violations of that act with regard to the white house's committee on its operations, political operations and strategy. well, and by the way, reverend, we had the special council on the panel who oversee the hatch act, and she would have told him that there were absolutely no problems with what the president has done. there has been no wrongdoing, and as a matter of fact, she would have told him they did it by the books, but you know what? he shut down the hearing before she could even have one word to say. i think because he really did not want to hear it. >> well, let me just raise some

facts to you that raises one to believe what you're suggesting. because you know this is all about politics when the white house said its political director wouldn't testify, but they sent staffers to brief the oversight committee on his work. a democratic source told role call, quote, guess who didn't even bother to show up? one guess. correct, no issa. the source said staff briefed issa's staff for an hour and 15 minutes, and answered every question, 45 in all, until they stopped. so congressman, if issa really was interested in what was going on, wouldn't he have gone to the briefing? >> he -- not only would he have gone to the briefing, reverend, but he also would have today allowed the special council who is in charge of the hatch act to testify that there was absolutely no problems, but again, i mean, he didn't want to hear that.

he didn't want the public to hear that. i think that's so sad because it goes against the credibility of our committee. and it goes against the things that we stand for. and i think it's just very unfortunate. >> jonathan, we have watched chairman issa seemingly just go after this president, go after attorney general holder. i mean, this looks blatantly political to many of us. >> yes, it does, because so far a lot of chairman issa's investigations have come up empty. and when i wrote about this yesterday, talking to the same democratic source, you know, i paused at the fact maybe because the benghazi investigation has been taken away from chairman issa that he's looking for something else to do. look, one of the things you didn't bring up that congressman cummings did in that committee, in that committee hearing during his testimony, he played back

for chairman issa something that she said, something that the chairman said in 2011. when he said he would seek the committee's council, their guidance, on when to issue subpoenas and that he would talk to members on his side of the aisle, but also members on the other side of the aisle to see if whether he was, quote, nuts or, quote, am i wrong in seeking out a subpoena. and it was after ranking member cummings prepared his testimony plus showing him that video, but before the office of special council got to testify that chairman issa decided to cut the committee hearing short. >> so i see you shaking your head, congressman cummings. he had made this commitment that he would consult committee members before issuing subpoenas? >> yeah, and if there was any disagreement, that we would possibly bring it to a vote.

there has not been one single vote on these 99 sepenas. in many instances, he issues the subpoenas and we find out about them in the newspaper. >> wow. how do you explain that, congressman? >> i think that unfortunately, chairman issa has made a decision that he wants more attention. when this benghazi issue was taken away from our committee, we suddenly saw a huge spike in the number of subpoenas going out. and i think it's sad because it just undermines everything that we're trying to do. as i told chairman issa today, i said, look, you know, if you want to go far, you go with other. if you want to go fast, you go by yourself. basically what he's been doing is going by himself. >> 99 subpoenas. i mean, jonathan, he sounds like

after the benghazi investigation was taken, he sounds like the sour grapes chairman. >> yes. yes, and when you look through the series of letters back and forth, starting in march of this year between chairman issa and the white house to chief of staff dennisis mcdonough, then council katherine rummler and her successor, counsel eggleston. he's asking for things where there's no real -- no allegation whatsoever of any wrongdoing, and the white house keeps coming back and asking for -- here's what we do, here's how the office is reconstituted. here's how we've done it. is there something else that you need to know? when he handed down that subpoena, the white house then said, hey, we will brief you at a time and location and date of your choosing before today's hearing. and they did that, and as you pointed out at the beginning of

this segment, the white house team went up to the hill, was there for 75 minutes, answered every question that was posed to them until the committee, the folks who were there, exhausted all of their questions, 45 in all. >> and issa didn't show. >> and issa was not there. >> congressman, with so much of the public viewing the congress in a very negative light and really as dysfunctional, does this kind of behavior beyond the politics, beyond your party and chairman issa's party, does this continue to tarnish the image of the congress? and take away from the respect that your committee should have as the oversight committee? >> no doubt about it, reverend. i have said that what i want to be, we ought to be about is effectiveness and efficiency. but what we're getting, reverend, is we're getting all

kinds of efforts to draw attention from the things that we ought to be addressing and that's very, very sad. and so the things that go to the center of people's lives, we never get to those, and we deal with these issues, and there's nothing wrong with looking at irs and benghazi, but my goodness, there are so many other issues the american people want us to be addressing, and we need to be about doing that. >> there's nothing wrong with looking at them, but if there's nothing there, there's something wrong with continuing to dig for things that are not there. >> and you can't be manufacturing the facts. you can't just disregard facts that you don't like. and so it's just -- it does go against our credibility, and as i said in the hearing today, it goes against not only the credibility of the committee but of the congress. >> congressman elijah cummings, i thank you for coming on tonight. jonathan capehart, always good

to have you with us. thank you both tonight. coming up, more from the explosive investigation of a botched sting operation from the miami-dade police. >> four officers surround the unarmed man and when they say he moved for his waistband, unleashed 52 rounds. >> shots fired. >> four were killed. 52 shots fired, and no charges. but today, we're learning they still could be charged. and what in the world is going on at another florida police department? a new report reveals a third person officer was allegedly involved with the ku klux klan. a former fbi operative who infiltrated the klan remembers seeing the officer at a rally. and wait until you hear what he is saying could happen next. and should this mom have

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implicated a third person from that office, a former secretary who was married to one of those officers, and her explanation for why she was in the klan requires some suspension of disbelief. >> this newly released fdle report shows the ku klux klan had a deeper hook in the fruitland park police department than first thought. fdle said former fruitland park police secretary ann honeywell was also a member of the klan since 2008. the same year her ex-husband recently outed kkk member george honeywell, joined the force. he was fired last week. ann claimed the couple was working undercover when they joined the klan, but admitted she had no paperwork to back that up. the report also states former deputy chief david borest had ties to the klan going back years when he was a sergeant. >> so this couple joined the kkk as part of a secret mission,

assigned by the former police chief that nobody else knew about? really? five years ago, this same police department was rocked by these photos showing a different officer, a man named james elcons, dressed in klan robes. and now the question is, who are the other men in these photos? should we expect more revelations about this police department? and the kkk? my next guest may have some answers. david gledy spent four years infiltrated white supremacist groups for the fbi. he wrote a book called "undercover nazi" about how he proved valuable intelligence about these groups while working from the inside. and from those years undercover, he says he met some of the key players in this scandal. david, thanks for being here. >> thank you so much for the

opportunity, reverend al. >> let's start with former deputy chief david borest. where did you meet him? >> i met him along with james elkins back in 2004, 20005, 2006, and early 2007. at different klan rallies and militia rallies. you know, they're involved with the militia also, and this was in eljay georgia, conyers georgia, springhill florida, around in the tampa area, poke county, lakeland. it's very prevalent, more than you would imagine. >> they were at these meetings while they were active officers in fruitland? >> absolutely. i knew james elkins was an officer because he let everyone know. i did not know mr. borest was. he introduced himself as david, friends, always there with pamela elkins, but myself and my undercover partner joe got this investigation started back in

2004 and 2005, and as you can see, it has continued for so long, and you can believe other officers are going to be implicated. and that story that they were telling us, how they worked undercover, come on. something smells fishy up there in norway. >> i'm going to get back to the fishy norway part, but james elkins, the officer who was outed as a klan member five years ago, was he a prominent presence in the white supremacist groups in this area? >> absolutely. in hillsborough county, polk county, those areas. like i said, it was with the klan, with the militia. also, he was prev lalent with t skinheads and the nazi moment. he was associated with them all, trying to bring more in. he wanted to form his own group up there in his area of fruitland park, florida. >> now, in that state law enforcement report, the former police secretary described her kkk initiation ceremony.

and stated she and george, along with two -- along with two other recruits, were summoned to elkins' house and escorted to a room. a pillowcase was placed over their heads. they were led into a living room and told to kneel after a reading. their pillowcases were removed from their heads, and the ceremony was complete. i mean, does that sound familiar to you? >> oh, absolutely. yes, it does. you know, i have seen all kinds of different initiations. that one sounds a little out there, but it does go down like that. and if you're in that deep, you're in. you're in. >> now, local reporter interviewed a man who was arrested by one of those officers with the alleged kkk ties. watch this. >> this man doesn't want you to know his name or see his face, but he is very clear about what he wants to happen after the man who arrested him earlier this month was accused of being a member of the ku klux klan.

his arrest report written by george honeywell, and approved by david borest, shows honeywell took extreme measures to stop him as he pulled him over for driving 37 miles an hour in a 25 mile an hour zone. >> he's in the middle of my car as i was going, and then almost pulled his gun and said i would have shot you if you would have hit me with your car. >> that man claims the officer talked about shooting him. i mean, how dangerous is it to have people with these alleged views patrolling our streets? >> first off, i would have to say, as of course, not all officers are involved with this. it's a small percentage, but i have seen the ugly head of the beast. i have been with these officers, and i have been with them at parties where they draw their service revolvers and fire shots at cats and stray dogs. i have seen how crazy they act. i have seen their alter egos, so to say. since they're in a public trust job, position and a position of authority, it's a very dangerous

mix. very dangerous. and it needs to be stopped now. and you can believe there's a major investigation going on throughout the state of florida, because there's more agencies involved, not just fruitland park, florida. >> so you feel there will be more agencies and more officers implicated other than fruitland, florida? >> oh, absolutely. take a look at lakeland, florida. take a look at melbourne, florida, poke county, florida. hillsborough, florida. it's very prevalent all over the state, and other states in the union. >> well, we'll be taking a look at all of that. thank you so much, david, for your time tonight. >> thank you very much, reverend al. coming up, republicans are hoping kelly ayotte can help them with their lousy pr on women's health issues. it's in tonight's gotcha. and new 911 tapes from an l.a. freeway in the moments before the police beating was caught on tape. the justice files are ahead.

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>> in the moments leading up to this incident, at least nine motorists called 911 to report seeing marlene walking on the freeway, acting strangely. some tried to help her. >> there's a woman walking on the freeway, going into the freeway, walking bare footed. i was walking next to her, but i guess she got scared of me. >> other drivers reported that she seemed mentally impaired. >> there's an african-american lady walking with her hands up. i don't know if she's drunk or high, but she's going into the freeway. >> there's a lady walking on the freeway. she has on pink, a pink dress. sleeveless. black socks on. i would say she's loaded.

>> the police officer caught on camera continues to work for the california highway patrol on administrative duty. seema, the 911 calls indicate marlene was clearly impaired. how would that affect the investigation, how will it factor into it? >> well, they'll corroborate her mental illness and rev, i have a case exactly like this, a young man walking on the freeway backwards, against traffic, bare foot, and yes, he was found to be mentally ill. so that corroborates her illness, but it also goes to the reasonableness of the officer's actions, which of course, the police department is going to argue. >> carmen, do you think this will factor in a way that helps or harms the policeman? >> i think it would harm the policeman because i think we're getting a long enough clip to be able to see that there's a number of blows.

the woman is down on the ground. she's selfless, defenseless. she's putting her arms up above her head. she's clearly not flailing her arms or kicking and resisting, so i think the officer is going to have a hard time coming out from under on this one. >> but carmen and i, we have both seen this in court where mentally ill people have almost superhuman strength. so you may see a woman as tiny as carmen is being held down by nine, ten corrections officers or court officers because, rev, that is what happens when you are mentally ill. so maybe we missed that part. >> seriously, nine or ten people? >> yes, rev, all the time. i see it all the time. >> you have a videotape here that doesn't look as though she was doing anything but getting hit. >> that's why she's, you know, considering filing an action. you've got a federal action, 1983 case, a tort action in state court that can go forward on this because they're going to lock into the officer's background, but more importantly, the training in this particular department is

going to come to be very important. when was the last time he received training? what in fact did they teach him? i'm hoping at the end of this, it doesn't matter what race he was or what race she is, because i think i would feel the same way if the was an elderly caucasian woman on the ground, either way, you have to look at the acts. >> absolutely, either way, you must look at the acts. well, we know the officer is still being paid. he's on desk duty, and we're going to continue following this story closely as it develops. now to south carolina, where a woman has been arrested for sending her 9-year-old daughter to a park. 46-year-old deborah was charged with unlawful conduct toward a child earlier this month. >> a woman confesses to repeatedly abandoning her 9-year-old at the park. >> witnesses say she left her 9-year-old daughter at a park for hours at a time and did it more than once. >> now, she used to bring her

daughter to her job at mcdonald's every day where the girl would sit and play on her laptop. but after her computer was stolen, the girl asked if she could go to the park instead of sitting at the fast food restaurant all day long. she agreed, gave her daughter her cell phone to call in case of an emergency. and her daughter is aware where her parents dropped. she said she was dropped off. the mom was arrested and her daughter was taken by the south carolina social services and put into custody. seema, should this mother have been arrested? >> absolutely not. rev, this is just another instrument that conservative lawmakers would like to put on single mothers. first, they shouldn't be on welfare, they shouldn't be selling drugs, they shouldn't be committing crimes. nowio have a single mother who is doing the right thing, working at mcdonald's, doing the best she can for that child. not everybody can afford a nanny

or even day care, rev. not everybody has a relative to take care of that child. that child was not abandoned. she was in a park with a bathroom facility, with access to food, activities during the day, and this woman did nothing wrong but try to survive. >> carmen, do you agree or disagree with seema? >> i'm going to give you the different perspective, coming from the perspective of a child advocate here, let's think about this. this is a 9-year-old that's left alone without food, without drink. susceptible to kidnappers, susceptible to people who would abuse her. we can't rely on the other people at the park to protect this child. and this was not a one-time act. this was behavior over three days. i mean, i'm a parent. i would never in a million years leave my child anywhere out of my sight, we have been covering this all week with the harris case, about leaving your kid in a car. this is a woman who went to have a full work day, and i

understand the conflicts of parenting. in fact, single parents, it's very difficult. i also understand the societal problem of financially not being able to afford any other outcome, but it's problematic to me to believe that you can rely on strangers to protect your child. >> but this kid was nine years old. okay, this was not a baby. and rev, back when you and i were young, we could walk around and go to the park when we were 9. i think this is just overreaching big time. >> well, this is a tough one. very tough one. and we're going to continue to watch it. seema and carmen, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thanks. >> coming up, a disturbing poll from mississippi about how the old confederacy, what it says about the politics and division of today. also, new questions about that botched police sting that left four people dead. could the police possibly still

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video from 2011, showing police officer s shooting and killing four men, one of them their own informant. >> miami-dade county has never seen anything like it. as infrared cameras roll from aircraft, police kill four men, including their informant, in this botched sting operation in the redland. >> i got two subjects running west. running west, into the trees. >> 30 seconds later, and we warn you again, you're about to see something quite violent, the third home invader darts in front of the house holding a gun and is shot down by a sergeant. his gun later found where he fell. that left only betancourt, the informant, at the corner with 70 seconds to live. instead of handcuffing him, sergeant manual malgor said he told him to roll over on his back. that's when he said the surrendering informant made a quick move to his waistband.

cops fired. four officers surrounded the unarmed man, and when they say he moved for his waistband, unleashed 52 rounds. >> shots fired. >> shots fired. >> they fired 52 rounds at one of the suspects and 23 shots at their own informant. officers said the men were armed and they were in fear for their lives. and while prosecutors say the first shooting was clearly justified, they're questioning whether the police really heard and saw what they said they did in the other three shootings. citing, quote, unusual counter intuitive suspicious and disturbing factors. there were no witnesses to corroborate or dispute their story. and now team six has learned a key piece of evidence has gone missing. >> wouldn't informant scream out the code phrase that identified

him as the informant? he used it three times earlier. but when his life was on the line, police claim he was silent, then suddenly reached for a gun in his waistband, forcing them to open fire. a surrendering informant going for a gun? while betancourt cannot speak from the grave, an audio recorder hidden in a watch police gave him might have, but somehow from the time you see the watch here until after he's killed, it disappeared. >> that would have been a critical piece of evidence. >> what do you think it would have said? >> i would imagine that he would have been making the statements that he was instructed to make if there was a problem, and to identify himself as a ci. >> a watch that could have revealed the final moments of the informant's life gone? prosecutors doubt the officers' account, but they say their hands are tied and they don't have the evidence to file criminal charges. so now those prosecutors and the

miami-dade mayor are calling for state authorities to take over police shootings investigations going forward. joining us now once again is tony pepetone, investigative reporter for nbc six who broke this story. tony, a watch that disappeared sounds suspicious. what do authorities say can be done? >> well, they say it's suspicious, but they also say it's not evidence of a crime. when an officer has a well founded belief that he is in fear for his life or someone else's life is in danger, he can shoot to kill. and that's what they did out there and the prosecutors say we may have questions, we do have questions about those unusual counter intuitive factors, but without evidence to contradict what the officers say, they say there's nothing they can do to bring charges. >> tony, prosecutors are questioning what police officers say they saw in the moments

before the shooting. let me play this clip. >> that officer behind the tree with gonzalez's back to him, said in his statement, gonzalez made a quick move into his wa t waistband, forcing them to open fire. they shot 52 rounds. but prosecutors question whether that officer was even in a position to see what he says he saw. still, gonzalez is not alive to say otherwise. >> we've got no evidence to counter that. >> tony, is there a way for prosecutors to question these officers? >> here's the issue. if the officers are under criminal investigation, they have a right to remain silent, just like anyone else would. you don't have to talk to police about something that might incriminate yourself. so they don't have a right to talk to them until -- as long as this case is still under investigation. some of the officers did give voluntary statements, though,

and that's where we were able to hear their contention that the people went for their waistband. they feared there was a weapon, and therefore, they opened fire. >> let me follow that up because there is an internal investigation. 11 officers were at the shooting scene. four of those officers gave voluntary statements, as you referred to, and they gave it to a union lawyer, and miami-dade police investigators, but no prosecutors were allowed to be present. the other seven officers pled the fifth. now, would a new investigation help clear up any of these questions? >> well, there is the professional standards or the professional compliance bureau investigation that is under way right now. and at that point, the officers do have to talk to their internal investigators about what happened. if a criminal investigation were to come from some other prosecutorial authority, i don't know whether those statements would even be admissible in that arena. so it's two separate issues, the

internal waits for the criminal to get done, once the criminal is done, the internal picks back up, and then a determination is made about whether or not they violated policy, but the decision about whether they violated law has already been made by the state attorney's office. >> this case, the reason i think so many people responded when we did it last night and when you broke it there in miami, is it speaks to the larger issue of police shootings and police killings. i believe over the last 15 years, 600 or almost 600, 574 to be exact, in florida. no policemen charged. it speaks to the larger issue of police and their being held accountable for things as serious as murders. >> well, i can tell you that when a court decision came down in 1989 saying that juries could not hear that officers violated

policy, that made a big difference prosecutors tell me. look at this case. when the informant is surrendering and he's on his belly and he's crawling to the officers, an officer tells him to flip over. so you may ask, why didn't the officer tell him to put his hands behind his back so he could cuff him? isn't that policy? well, that could not get in front of a jury as evidence of guilt in florida. it's irrelevant. it's prejudicial, and the jury would never hear it, so you can't even raise those questions in a case like this in florida. >> i mean, it is unbelievable, and given the amount of cases and in this particular case, the amount of bullets, this is absolutely unbelievable. we're going to stay on top of this. great work, tony. investigative reporter for nbc six. thank you so much for your time. and the great work for your team as well in this important story. >> exactly. thank you very much. still ahead, a new poll that

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since president obama was first elected, we have seen a growing trend of antigovernment hate and heard frets of secession. some in the right-wing media helped push it. >> i'm not for secession, but i understand why people might be. >> in the end, if you're going to jam all this stuff down our throats, yeah, i guess maybe it would be about secession. for some people, they would probably say, yeah, it's time to get out of this. >> this was a reasonable woman. she's talking about secession. civil war. she's not alone, folks. this is not the rantings of extre extreme kookism anymore. >> 37% of mississippi republican voters would go back to the confederate side. maybe that's what makes compromise so hard these days. 37 is a big number. but so is 63. the 63% of those voters who

don't agree with going back. so let's start with those folks and focus on getting something done for the country and for people who are hurting. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. just what america needs, more lawyers. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this move from the house republicans which today gathered speed to sue the president of the united states. hey, isn't this just what you would expect? they have tried everything else. they have tried keeping him out of the white house, of course, they lost that one. then they plotted a four-year scheme to kill every single thing he tried to do as president. remember mitch mcconnell