don't agree with going back. so let's start with those folks and focus on getting something done for the country and for people who are hurting. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. just what america needs, more lawyers. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this move from the house republicans which today gathered speed to sue the president of the united states. hey, isn't this just what you would expect? they have tried everything else. they have tried keeping him out of the white house, of course, they lost that one. then they plotted a four-year scheme to kill every single thing he tried to do as president. remember mitch mcconnell putting his whine to that one.

and then a lot of them got together and started screaming that barack obama, was in the country illegal. he had snuff in from africa someplace and needed to do dumped not just from office but deported. that didn't work so well. facts are tricky matters, especially for the fools who tried that thing. then they got together and tried to deny him a second term. he became the first president since world war ii hero dwight eisenhower to win 51% of the popular vote, and he did it twice. now they're going to court to try to hog tie the president, try to put a brand on him as the only president to be successfully sued while in office. anything to taint this guy, to put the asterisk on his record so they can go to bed content no one who liked barack obama was one of the republic's elected presidents of the united states. the assistant democratic leader in the house, and david is an msnbc political analyst.

congressman clyburn, this thing smells. it smacks of the same thing, of birtherism, of all the attempts to delegitimize this president. they're not going to win with this suit, they just want to smear him. that's my thinking, what is yours? >> i agree with you. thank you for having me, chris. i agree with you entirely. all of this is about throwing up as much mud as they possibly can, hoping something will stick to this president. they have failed in every attempt to delegitimize him. this is another way of trying to determine that this president will have no success and hopefully will go down in history as being a president of the united states that got sued by the house of representatives, and who knows what forum they will pull on this, and what judge they will get, and maybe they will get some kind of a

ruling to their liking. >> yeah, that's what i'm thinking about. the irony is, and congressman clyburn knows this, every time you ask a republican, most of them, what are you going to do about health care? let's have tort reform. no more frivolous lawsuits. no more frivolous lawsuits. this is the ultimate frivolous lawsuit, because as the congressman just said, they might get the first judge to at least hear the case, and then they'll say we won. >> you know what? i watched the hearing today, the house rules committee, because i knew i was coming on. >> thank you. >> i wanted to do my homework. you had lawyers out there, used to be a top guy on the justice department, and -- >> lots of lawyers. >> different sides of this, but it seems really pretty obvious that most mainstream experts believe this is too high a legal hurdle to jump. that you don't -- the house doesn't have standing. >> doesn't the court usually stay out of fights between the congress and the president? >> and scalia is the biggest fan out of staying out of these political fights. so the thing is, this is really

at best it's a close call, whether you bring this case or not. so you have to ask yourself, if most lawyers, most legal experts are not behind this, why is boehner taking the time and energy to do this instead of working on immigration reform, gun violence -- >> let me ask the congressman, why do you think looking across the aisle, sir, and you're a leader, why do you think the republican leader, mr. boehner, who is not an evil man, why is he doing this when it's a waste of time? >> because he has a certain element within his conference, the republican conference, 40 to 50 people who are driving the agenda. these are people who do not believe that this president ought to be in office. they do not believe he's legitimate. and they're going to try everything they possibly can to delegitimize him. and so if you have this lawsuit and no telling what will be said in their filings. and it may give them something to hang their hats on, even if

they've got some kind of a partial victory. i have bib telling all my friends today, i do not believe that this is a frivolous lawsuit. i believe that this is a serious lawsuit, and i really believe that we've got to be serious in our response to it. our lawyers have got to treat this as a serious attempt to delegitimize this president and not take it too lightly. >> you think they're going to pursue it all the way and really get the best lawyers and really try to hurt the president historically with this? >> absolutely, and we better get the best lawyers we can on our side of this issue to argue it as forcefully as we possibly can. they know that even if they were to win, they know that it's, what, two years and three or four months left in this presidency? >> republicans officially have begun laying the groundwork to sue the president. here it is today. they were led by congressman

pete sessions who used to run the national republican congressional committee. of course, that's the group that does everything it can to get more republicans elected to congress. sessions is chairman of the house rules committee which held a ruling as we said today to advance legislation to the house floor which will green light boehner's lawsuit, and that floor vote is expected soon, perhaps next week. meanwhile, the suit has reignited the impeach obama red hots in the republican party. they're trying to hide these people like crazy uncles. anyway, the last time impeachment talk dominated the party under president clinton, republicans suffered a meltdown in the 1998 midterm elections. yesterday, dick cheney, the brain behind a war which kills, let's remind the former vice president, 186,000 people, he became crazed in the republican party. here's cheney. >> i'm not prepared at this point to call for the impeachment of the president.

i think he's the worst president of our lifetime. i fundamentally disagree with him. i'm glad to see the house republicans are challenging him, at least legally at this point, but i think that gets to be a bit of a distraction, just like the impeachment of bill clinton did. everybody could get geared up to have a big fight over it, but it wasn't going anyplace. >> even dr. strangelove isn't one to go with this one. >> it's a joke -- >> the dooms day machine isn't ready yet. >> he was the biggest fan of expanding executive power we have probably seen in the white house for 100 years and now he's upset because obama working with business, this is what they don't get, he's rrp working with businesses to implement the law so that businesses have less burden. a lot of corporate america now is worried because if this suit goes forward, it means all the time they come in and say, hey, can we put off that epa regulation for another six months while we get ready? they won't be able to do this. >> let me go toironic, sir, the republican party, which has also

opposed too much regulation and supports business leaders which is fair enough, that's their deal, that's their constitch wnlsy, now is saying the president wasn't tough enough on the employer mandate, he didn't push it hard enough. ironic they care about that. >> yes, it is. that's what's so strange about all of this. there are the brand issues they have fought against for years. i have been in this party now for almost 22 years. what the republicans are raising now are things that they have fought against ever since i have been here. and it's so strange to me that all of a sudden, they have decided these are legitimate methods to stymie going forward with economic development in this country, and there's nothing more serious to a working family than health care. and here they are trying to use the health care law that would put in place incorporation with

businesses, with the private sector, and with many of them, because this, if you remember, this is the approach that they have been crying out for for as long as i could remember, and all of a sudden, the heritage foundation that gave rise to all of this are now denying they ever knew it exists. >> more 180s than you can believe to hurt this guy. meanwhile, a lot of talk of impeachment. that coupled with boehner's lawsuit is lighting a fire under obama. i think he's liking this in a weird way. he's using these attacks to go after republicans because it makes them look crazy. >> i'm not going to apologize for trying to do something while they're doing nothing. >> even if you get sued? >> you know, the suit is a stunt. >> middle class families can't wait for republicans in congress to do stuff. so sue me. >> sue him, impeach him.

really? really? for what? you're going to sue me for doing my job? >> i mean, think about that. you're going to use taxpayer money to sue me for doing my job. while you don't do your job. >> big idea has been to sue me. that's what they're spending time on. a political stunt that wastes america's time and taxpayer dollars. keep in mind, it's your money they're going to be spending on these ridiculous pursuits instead of just getting some work done. >> congressman, do you think mockery like that is going to work against these crazies on the right? i like the sound of it. do you think it will work? >> i love the sound of it, yes, but no, it will not work. the fact of the matter is their minds are made up. all of this is about besmirching

the character of this president. this is about trying to delegitimize his place in history. and they are never going to give up on that. i have been saying that for the last five or six years. they are dug in on this issue. they will not stop until his term comes to an end. >> thank you so much. u.s. congressman james clyburn of south carolina, great to have you on, and dave as always. coming up, hillary finally gets it right. the face plants on her book tour have received a lot of attention, but last night, she nailed the biggest and potentially toughest interview of them all on "the daily show with jon stewart." >> plus, late this afternoon, president obama met with members of the hispanic congressional caucus about the crisis on the border. we'll talk to two members of the caucus and what they heard from the president. also, the must-see interview with a congressional republican candidate who described the

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comcast business. built for business. here is the book that you have written. this is called "hard choices." it's an incredibly, i think, complex and well reasoned and eye witness view to the history of those four years, and i think i speak for everybody when i say no one cares. they just want to know if you're running for president. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was, of course, hillary clinton with jon stewart on "the daily show." it's her first appearance since march 2008 when she was fighting barack obama for democratic domination. while a lot has changed over the last six years, the subject remains the same. everyone is watching and waiting to see how hillary clinton will handle the next challenge. >> i have a like a career

aptitude test. it could help you. >> this is good. this is good. i'm ready. >> let me ask you a question. do you like commuting to work or do you like a home office? >> you know, i have spent so many years commuting, i kind of prefer a home office. >> do you have a favorite shape for that home office? do you like it -- do you like that office, let's say, would you like that office -- would you like it to have corners or not to have corners, i don't know? >> you know, i think that the world is so complicated, the fewer corners that you can have, the better. >> do you prefer to sit in traffic or cause it? >> well, the country isn't picking a president yet, but it is choosing who to root for in the upcoming campaign. hillary clinton may be more than likable enough, to use that

unfortunate obama phrase, but for the country to unite behind a leader in 2014, someone we're willing to trust and follow, the winning candidate will also need a strong man dade. strong mandates have been a rare thing in our politics for a while, especially for democrats. the challenge for hillary clinton at this early stage is she has to anticipate what the country will want in a president two and a half years from now. everything she does at this point should aim toward beginning to be that person now. joining me now is malika henderson of the washington post, and msnbc political analyst howard fineman. let me get to this, nia, is teams to me, the issue, am i right, the issue for hillary clinton right now as she prepared to make the final decision to run for president is to not necessarily win the election but to win the rooting section, to get people hoping that she does make the right moves the next couple months, that she does say the right things, that she does fix the problems that may come along?

>> that's right. and she is aware the country is, right? she's got to anticipate all of the mood and the moment where this country will be in 2016. and what does that mean for where obama will be in 2016 and the voters at obama coalition. she's got to figure out how to tap into those. you see all around her folks like elizabeth warren trying to figure out where the mood of the country is now, where it might be in 2016. rand paul, the same thing. he's going all across the country, meeting with folks. so with her, this kind of test drive of a campaign, she's also trying to anticipate that, and really dust off some of the cobwebs that she's grown over these last many years of being out of the public and political arena. >> well, as ed mcmahon once said, the best question comes out of the last answer. those cobwebs that nia, it seems to me that she has plenty of time for a tryout, a new haven style tryout. make a mistake going dead broke, fix the darn thing, move on.

this isn't a sudden death. >> no, chris, and i think what she's got to do is figure out how best to marry her strengths. which are a certain short-handedness and confidence in herself and confidence in the country. i think she's very good at expressing an almost eisenhower era sense of confidence and satisfaction about the country, which is something we may well need two and a half years from now, the way things look now. but she's also got to adapt to the mission of saving the middle class, which her husband was all about, but which has deteriorated in the intervening years and it's going to require -- >> the middle class has deteriorated? >> in terms of their prospects, that what she talks about, but she can't just talk about it. she's got to have the right tone about it. and it's a mix of self-satisfaction -- a mix of self-confidence but not self-satisfaction. >> in other words, people work hard and play by the rules are not being rewarded today? >> they're not being rewarded.

that was bill clinton's phrase. she's got to figure out how to be angry about it without giving up her confidence. >> let's look at hillary's evolution. early in her book tour, she sparked a minor controversy when she said this about her financial situation after she and her husband left the white house. >> we came out of the white house not only dead broke but in debt, and we struggled to, you know, piece together the resources for mortgages for houses, for chelsea's education. you know, it was not easy. >> she was asked again about that remark just last night. see how she turned her answer on her personal wealth to where she wanted it to go. >> that was an inartful use of words, obviously. bill and i have worked really hard and we've been successful and really grateful for that. but what i worry about and i talk about this in the book, is i'm weorried that other people and particularly younger people are not going to have the same students we did, because even though we came from, you know, great circumstances in terms of

our family loving us and, you know, bill had a much more difficult upbringing than i did, but still, we believed that we could pretty much make our way up the ladder. and now i think a lot of particularly young people don't believe that anymore. and that bothers me a lot. so i think we have to pay attention to what we're going to do. >> you know what is kind of awesome? it says to me how you're going to run to president. how easily you pivoted to inckm come eninequality in america. >> so smart. i don't know if that's true or not. she's still being coy, but let me say to you, as a regular journalist talking to people all the time, don't you like it when a politician answers your question first and then makes their point instead of skipping your damn question with so many of these juvenile politicians do, the slippery ones, they ignore you and give the speech. hillary answered the question, it was inartful, blah, blah, blah, and then she makes her pitch. >> she pivots. that was her best response. you had bill clinton try to take a whack at it in the weeds about

whether they were broke. and she had a couple whacks at it as well. i thought this grow go around, she nailed it and pivoting it's not bill and i, it's the average folks out there, the average young people l the people rand paul was talking about, elizabeth warren is talking about when they're talking about student loan debt and their personal narrative, particularly hillary clinton's narrative, so i thought she nailed it in that answer. >> so smart because older people are worried about the younger people, too. howard and i do, anyway. thank you. she's out there laying out an agenda not quite yet, but after this, it's not quite a book tour, but she did speak rather eloquently about america's self-esteem. you could say and america's role in the world. here she is. >> so many people in the world, especially young people, they had no memory of the united states liberating europe and asia, beating the nazis, fighting the cold war and

winning. that was just ancient history. they didn't know the sacrifices we had made and the values that motivated us to do it. we have not been telling our story very well. we do have a great story. we are not perfect by any means, but we have a great story about human freedom, human rights, human opportunity. and let's get back to telling it to ourselves, first and foremost, and believing it about ourselves and then taking that around the world. that's what we should be standing for. >> howard, that's ronald reagan. >> yeah, and i think she's going to try to go into that zone. >> the statue of liberty? >> as the older person who connects with the young people if she can get there. there's the problem of being a baby boomer that has its pluses and minuses. she's sort of addressing that there. what i see her trying to do and what i see as her best chance is to be an experienced figure, almost a kind of a totemoc figure, if i can use that word, who has been around, who knows

what to do, who was there when her husband did it, has experience and knows how to use the power of government. >> thank you so much, nia, we miss you, and howard fineman, i will miss you sunday. but not here, because you're always going to be here. up next, the republican congressional candidate who aches for all those poor, lonely, desperate children, except it turns occupant, they were headed to summer camp. he got the wrong bus, this joker. anyway, this is "hardball," the place for politics. my name is karen and i have diabetic nerve pain.

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congressional candidate adam kwasman said a bus was coming in of immigrant -- actually migrant children, and me planned to protest its arrival. he tweeted out, quote, bus coming in. this is not compassion. this is an abrogation of the rule of law. the tweet included a photo of the bus, and there was one big problem with his story. watch what happens when a local reporter confronts him. >> i was able to actually see some of the children in the buses, and the fear on their faces, this is not compassion. it's a very sad, sad state of affairs we have right now. >> which children on the buses were those? >> i saw a school bus with plenty of children on them. i'm assuming that was a skoos bull moving them through. >> that was a bus with ymca kids? >> i apologize. i was leaving when i saw them. people are not happy down the line. that's an error by me.

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i'm francis rivera. here's what's happening. president obama said russia has failed to take steps to de-escalate the crisis in ukraine. new sanctions will tarkt the country's energy and financial

industries. >> a funeral for parents and four children shot last week. and israel has agreed to a temporary cease-fire imposed by the u.n. it will halt air strikes for five hours so food, water, and other supplies can be delivered to residents. now i take you back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." can washington come up with a plan to resolve that crisis of unaccompanied minors. children at the border? nbc news reports the house republicans could move on a bill as early as this week. it would give the president some of what he's been asking for to deal with the situation, including somewhere between $1 billion and $2 billion, according to politico. both the white house and congressional republicans have also expressed some openness to abending the 2008 anti-trafficking law that gives children from countries other than mexico or canada added legal protections from swift

deportations. this afternoon, the president met with members of the congressional hispanic caucus to discuss the crisis. two of the participants of that meeting are with me now, loretta sanchez and juan vargas. let me go with loretta sanchez first. were you satisfied with what the president said today, and what did see say about whether we're going to change the law, let the kids in to stay, or what? >> well, actually, i was pretty impressed by the meeting this time around. and the president on the issue of the minors seemed to indicate a pretty straightforward position, at least my take on that was, chris, that one, if these children were coming from countries simply because it was an economic hardship, there weren't opportunities for them, that they had family back there and were in a pretty safe place, these children would go through the process and be sent back. but he did say that one of the reasons he wanted more funds was in fact to be able to do the investigations that are required to see what types of situations

are going on where these children might live, and which ones would actually be in harm's way might have somebody going after their family or those particular kids, and that those might have an inability to have a refugee status here in the united states. >> congressman vargas, where do they stand on changing the law that was passed in 2008 that gives these kids a better chansz to stay here? >> oh, i'm absolutely against changing the law. >> where is he, the president? >> i think, you know, i'll be honest when we came here, i thought he was in favor of changing it, modifying it. when i left, he didn't say it but he all but said we could do it under an existing law. there's some leeway there, so i don't think he's going to be pushing for a change. he better not. he'll get big resistance from the hispanic caucus. >> why? make your case. >> these are kids. they're different than adults. if you have adults, okay, maybe

you can send them back and they can survive. these are little kids. think of the desperation these kids are under and their parents when they send them on this very treacherous chip to get here and then just to send them back where they will be killed or raped, why would we do that? >> what would you do? what would you do if you were president? what would you do? >> what i would do is i would say we're a very generous nation. we're a very charitable nation and i'm going to be as magnanimous as the american people. i'm going to give the children a chance and not send them back to death. if they're here under false pretenlss and they have a comfortable life, i'm sorry, you have to get back, but i'm not going to send them back to death or torture or rape? >> let me ask you the question. nobody is heartless, i don't think. what do you do about the pattern that has been established that the first 50,000 get in, the next 50,000, when does it stop? if these people down there are putting them on buses or bringing them up here, the coyotes or cartels, when will it

stop? what do you think or do you just want to live with that, mr mr. vargas? >> you know, the reality is it's going to taper off. i mean, we're already seeing that. i live on the border. i live in san diego. we don't get as many people crossing there as they do in texas, but it's starting to taper off. everybody telling you that. come on, we are the most generous nation in the world. we treat kids right. we shouldn't just send them back. that's not our tradition, those are not our morals. i really appreciated it when the president said god sees these children the same way he sees my girl girls. they're the same in god's eyes and they're the same in the eyes of most americans. >> okay, your thoughts, ms. sanchez, on that, should we change the 2008 law keep it the same? >> i would keep the law as it is. i was one of the people who was a co-sponsor of the law when we passed it. we passed it three times, several times on voice votes,

the last one with a vote, a unanimous vote in the congress. this really was to be applied to young children because of the trafficking situation that we saw many of those fall into. and so i would hate to take away that, as you know y have been a big proponent of stopping the sex trafficking, especially of minors. so i think there's a way we can use the law. by the way, it's not 50,000 kids all at once coming under this law because they think they're going to be treated in a different way. in fact, we're seeing that most of the people coming across the border are adults and they don't -- this law does not apply to them. they are being swiftly taken aside and deported. so this whole idea that somehow there's 50,000 kids just coming across, that's not true. in fact, right now, it has slowed down on the texas border to about 100 children a day. >> okay, well, some have used the crisis we're talking about at the border as an opportunity for fearmongering. i want you to react to this. yesterday on the house floor,

loui gomer of texas said the crisis of illegal immigration was putting, quote, our continued existence as a country at risk. he cited arrest figures in sexual assault in texas to make the case that the administration was not defending the women of america. let's watch. >> they have committed at least 7,695 sexual assaults. you want to talk about a war on women? this administration will not defend the women of america from criminal aliens by the thousands and hundreds of thousands? well, we know thousands, and we know people are coming in by the hundreds of thousands illegally. and this administration wants to talk about other people having a war on women when they will not defend the women that are being sexually assaulted by illegal

aliens in this country. >> meanwhile, u.s. congressman phil gingrey of gorgeousa is ringing his own alarm bells. last week, the former physician wrote a let toor the cdc with this dire warning. quote, reports of illegal immigrants carrying deadly diseases such as swine flu, denggdeng fever, ebola fivirus are concerning. i have serious concern these diseases they begin to spread too rapidly to control. some of these have no known cure. he's warning about the ebola virus, a disease that doesn't exist anywhere in the americas, according to one doctor, an infectious disease specialist. in a daily beast article, he called the suggestion unusually dim witted. yesterday, luke russert asked gingrey about his ebola claim. let's watch this exchange. >> i want to ask you about the letter you sent to the cdc about the children from central

america possibly carrying ebola. where is your evidence on that? >> we were given a list of the diseases they're concerned about. and ebola was one of those. i can't tell you specifically that there were any cases of ebola. >> if the border patrol thoeld you there was a threat of ebola at the border? >> they said they were concerned, yes, at the u.s u.s./mexico border. >> they did say that? >> yes, they absolutely did. >> what do you think about his comment which is much like his comments and gingrey's comments which are like most of his comments. ms. sanchez, first, what do you think about the ebola virus awaiting us at the boarder? >> we know the ebola virus is not in north america, so that's as ridiculous as it can get. i would say to my colleague because we have seen them cut

the funldz to the cdc, so if all of a sudden they're using this body as like, oh, my god, here's a problem. oh, there was a problem, but you haven't been funding them. and secondly, this president is asking for moneys so in fact when the children come and we get them, we can in fact one of the things we need to do is check them to see if they are well. but we can't do that if we can't afford doctors alt the border. >> we'll let the charge of sexual assault go for the moment. thank you, u.s. congressman vargas and u.s. congresswoman loretta sanchez. up next, the story of the woman who put the first crack in the glass ceiling. this is "hardball," a place for politics. and thank you for your bravery. thank you colonel. thank you daddy. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance can be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family,

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we're back. 30 years ago this week, democrats gathered in san francisco and made history by nominating the first woman of a major party to run for vice president on the national ticket. i had personal history with geraldeen ferrero. as i wrote my book, she was a familiar figure at the mondale beatings. she was the one member of congress who was always present, always involved. in may of 1984, my speaker of the house made a personal pitch for her selection as walter mondale's vice presidential nominee at his regular press conferen conference. i remember following up that when i got a call from the boston globe saying the speaker she would add dramatically to the democratic ticket. >> i'm delighted that there is no longer that big sign outside that door that says white male only need apply. someone said to me, don't you feel badly about all this stuff,

this attention you're getting? i don't feel the least bit badly about it. not at all. >> why do i get the feeling that you really reallien watt to be e shall candidate? >> i have no idea, why? do i have a look on my face? >> yeah. >> i took advantage of the fact that people thought of me. but i had no belief it was going to happen. >> if you're looking for a vice president, i would recommend her. >> i proudly accept your nomination for vice president of the united states. >> remember that day in san francisco? she was an old fashioned big city poll. she certainly changed the perception of what was possible for women in this country's national politics. gerry's daughter directed "paving the way" about her

tenacious political journey that made it possible for the women who came after her to knock down those barriers. donna joins us. thank you and congratulations. i want you to talk about this. let me talk -- ask you about your mom. what was it that allowed her to push through those doors that other people were afraid of. taking a big role in national politics and getting right up to that on deck circle as you say in baseball. right ready to grab the bat and jumping at it. >> she was someone who, no matter what part of her life, she did just sort of lean in. she was someone who had a tremendous amount of self-confidence and believed in the different principles and the things that she was fighting for. so she -- that was one of the things in making the film that was so amazing that i hadn't quite realized at the time, because obviously i was a lot

younger. just how incredible she was to just step up the way that she did into a position that no one had held before? >> well, your mother certainly sparred with then vice president george h.w. bush. when it was all over, he became a model for political civility. let's look at the fight during and the friendship afterwards. >> let me help you with the difference miss ferrari between iran and the embassy in lebanon. >> let me just say, first of all, that i almost resent vice president bush, your patronizing attitude that you have to teach me about foreign policy. >> i called up george bush to concede and congratulate. he got on the phone and he said, well, we're going to have to have lunch. >> i wanted her to know that you win some, you lose some, it doesn't hurt to be civil. >> their friendship grew after that campaign, until the day she died. >> i was sitting at her bedside,

there was an e-mail from president bush. i opened it up and i read the letter to her. >> dear gerry, i hear you've been badly under the weather, i'm sorry about that. i think of the strength of our wonderful relationship. and i hope you know i consider you a real friend. in fact i hope it's okay if i say i love you. >> wow! >> well, you know that dissension that your mom called out in that debate about let me help you with that, that has a history. he did that same thing with pierre dupont, he said, let me help you with that, pierre. he had been working on that phrase, let me help you with that. what was your mom's reaction to the way she was treated by her rival at the time? >> she knew it was all about politics. she was someone who rose into a leadership role in the house really because she worked in a

bipartisan manner. and respected people with different points of view. so she and president bush were able to get beyond their differences after the campaign was over. really because as you showed in the clip, he reached out to her. but their friendship was genuine. they actually liked each other. they disagreed about issues, but they learned to -- they always respected each other, and they learned to actually like each other, they became close friends. i thought that was important to show. especially given what's been going on certainly in the house and the senate these days. >> you know, i think your mom taught something to everybody not just women, but especially women and minorities. a big part of this world of ours is to just be there, show up, make your push. let them say no to you, don't say no to yourself. say hello to your dad for me, will you? >> i will. it's great to have you on. we'll be right back.

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let me finish tonight with a look at history, with particular focus on the american presidency. few presidents have come into office with the power to achieve their great ambitions. franklin roosevelt did in 1933. if he didn't get us out of the great depression, the alternatives were too scary to think about. 20 years later general dwight eisenhower came to the white

house with a country that trusted him personally. in 1980, ronald reagan came in with the wind at his back due to a powerful trifecta of trouble in the country. double-digit inflation, interest rates, both emblemized by the humiliating nightly troops in tehran. reagan's tonic was just right for voters who didn't feel right about the way the country was headed. the question is whether a democrat can win the presidency in 2016 and come in with a real mandate to govern, to do things. this is what hillary faces between now and 2016. to build persona in the public consciousness that says, i got what it takes to move this country in a strong upward trajectory. i'm someone with whom to invest the country's future. i'm not saying a candidate can't

win with less than this whole package. i'm saying without it, this country can't lay our hopes on a candidate that won't lead us. tonight we are all in. >> we aren't monsters here in this country. >> backlash to the backlash. growing movement against the anti-immigrant ugliness. some label the migrant kids gangsters. >> they're gang members. gang affiliates. >> tonight we discover the truth behind the gang accusation. then, carnage in gaza four kids playing soccer by the sea, killed by an israeli shell. ayman mohyeldin saw it all happen. he'll join us from gaza. plus, the water crisis in california spawns record fines.