>> all right that. does it for "the cycle" today. thank you for joining us. "this week with alex wagner starts now." an airliner shot down. nearly 300 lives lost. think search begins for answers and accountability. it is friday, july 18th and this is "now." >> this was a global tragedy. >> the deadliest aviation incident since nine sglempb the debris field is in the active of a war zone. >> they know what brought down the plane. it was a missile. >> who's behind this? >> russian system, russian weapon. >> who fired the missile? >> did the russians fire it or did the separatists fire it? >> vladimir putin already taking a defensive tone. >> he's very good at being two

putins at once. >> they have had russian military forces embedded with the separatists. >> he will deny, deny, deny, but at the same time he will do everything he can to destabilize a country like ukraine. >> russia has refused to take the concrete steps necessary to deescalate the situation. >> this war can be ended. russia can end this war. russia must end this war. >> as united nations calls for a full, thorough, independent international investigation in to the downing of a malaysian airlines flight, flight 17, there are serious obstacles to the yoquery. they will send an explosive expert to help. the american trio will them the effort to comb through a field of wreckage sprawling six square

miles one in the middle of a war zone. today ukrainian emergency workers say they were given no explanation when they were abruptly ordered off the site by rebels, who have control of the area. european monitors also report they do not have the access they need, and the site is not deal sealed off. so far, ukrainian authorities say they have low kalted 281 of the 298 people killed in the crash all which remain on the ground in open air for the second night in a row. the passenger a's came from a dozen countries but the majority were dutch. the passengers included a contingent of leading aids researchers headed to a conference in australia. the president announced earlier those lost included at least one dual dutch-american citizen but emphasized the tragedy was a shared one. >> we know least one american citizen quinn lucas was killed.

our thoughts and prayers with his family for this terrible loss. this was a global tragedy. an asian airliner was destroyed in european skies filled with citizens from many countries. so there has to be a credible international investigation in to what happened. >> this scale of the loss comes in to focus, international pressure is building to find the perpetrators and to bring them to justice. u.s. ambassador to the u.n. samantha power joined the president and pentagon saying the plane was likely from a missile launched from eastern ukraine. she made the case that the confusion is likely intentional. >> on july 14th, separatists claim credit for the downing of a cargo plane flying at 6 thourk meters. on july 16th they claim credit for the downing of a ukrainian fighter jet. if indeed russian backed separatists were behind this

attack on a civilian airliner, they and a their backers would have good reason to cover up evidence of their crime. >> joining me on the phone from k kiev jim miklaszewski. david, given you are in the region, i will get right to the question, anymore information about investigators getting kicked out of the crash site? >> well, remember, this crash site is in an area controlled by the rebels. this is an active combat zone. the insurgency has been going on zil since early april. this is not a pleasant environment. the rebels were hindering the rescue effort it is a more complicated situation because they have some access and have a plan to remove victims where they are setting up a lab to identify remains them

separatists seem to acknowledge they are not equipped to handle a disaster with this number of victims. at the same tliem is a lot of confusion over what happened to the flight recorders, the black boxes, the government were found by the emergency services of ukraine but were taken by rebel leaders. there was also talk about them going to russia. they expressed concern to the british prime minister. at any moment the rebels could tell people they can enter, they can't. they have to do their work. >> let me ask you a follow up to that. we are hearing reports of multiple check points in the area. is it dangerous at all? it is a war zone, so i assume there is. there is some concern nation whether investigators can operate in a safe environment.

>> no question. there's no doubt it is a dangerous area. armed separatist rebels operate this area, bombing going on. civilian airliner was just shot down. no question it is a highly dangerous area. the extent to which they will be able to do their job is at question. it is an international tragedy. separatest movement, the crisis in ukraine continues as we speak. >> i want to go to jim miklaszewski at the pentagon. rear admiral kirby said earlier today it strains crudity. that this would have been operated without a level of expertise. how widely shared is that assessment in the halls of the d.o.d.? >> ever since this shootdown

they have been looking closely at just how this missile system was operated. who was operating it? who was giving the orders? over the past month, six weeks or so, there's been a steady flow of russian military equipment, tanks, artillery and indeed some of these missile systems in to the rebel-held area there in ukraine. according to sources we have been talking to, also russian advisers and trainers, who have been embedded with some of these rebel separatists who just don't have the kind of expertise it takes to operate some of the more sophisticated weapons systems. i can tell you, in fact, there's a strong suspicion that even though they know for certainty that the missile that was launched that shot down the malaysian airliner was launched inside of ukraine, very near the

russian border. but they are still not clear as to who pulled the trigger. there's strong suspicion, no proof, but strong suspicion that it may, in fact, have been some of the russian trainers or advisers who were operating that weapons system or at least gave the command to shoot down that malaysian airliner. alex? >> thank you, mik. i want to bring in matthew wald. in terms of the black boxes, there's a lot of talk that they may not be that useful if this was a surface-to-air missile. there may not be much data on the recorder. what kind of material will investigators look for on the ground. >> you don't know what the black boxes will tell you until you actually have them. in some previous missile downings of airplanes the crew has talked about they have been hit. this went so fast it is doubtful the crew saw it coming but they

may have. and we don't know if they are speaking english. they may need a translator. the digit at flight data recorder will tell you if it was on the assigned alt a attitude and course. though we suspect that is the case and we will tell you the breakup of the plane mechanism. as for forensic evidence, when you are hit by a missile, you get characteristic damage in the metal. this is a new, relatively recent model airline. it has a lot of composite in it, that's which one reason it burned to fiercely. you can look for shrapnel impacts and holes, impact entrance and exit holes. the metal will tell you things if you can get out there and get a trained person to look at it. i should say also, it is wrong to say the rebels can't effectively use this missile. they did effectively use the missile. the problem is they didn't know

who they were using it on. >> in terms of who may take the lead on this, is there any sense if the ukrainians are given control of the situation they will bring in international assistance? we know the u.s. is sending over three agents to help. similar to the crash of malts -- or the disappearance of malts flight 370 australians were given a fairly large role in running that investigation. any source of international coordination behind the scenes? >> ukraine has invited in experts from malaysia, the netherlands and the united states. he spoke to angela merkel today and invited germans as well. >> i think we lost david. i will go back to matthew wald. in terms of the crash site, we have some fairly distressing and i will say gruesome information

that the bodies of the found passengers in the field, i think nearly 180 of them remain in open air. there are refrigerated trucks that would be used to transport the victims have not made it to the site. >> in the united states it would be unprecedented. in the third world, i don't know if this is technically the third world but in the third world all sorts of nasty things happen. we talk about the crash site being contaminated. to the disadvantage of investigators but standard procedure in latin america, india, is looters arrive and strip the bodies of valuables. the idea that you are going to seal it off, collect human remains, identify the dead is an american concept, alas does not always prevail in other countries. >> thank you guys for your time and thoughts. >> thank you. after the break, regard m of who's actually responsible for the missile strike, today world

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as the international community gathered at the united nations security council, all countries agreed on the need for an independent investigation. there was very little agreement regarding responsibility. at the white house, president obama asserted even though ukrainian separatists may have launched the missile it was russia that caused the crisis and had the power end to it. >> we know that they are heavily armed and they are trained. we know that that's not an accident that. is happening because of russian support f. mr. putin makes a decision that we are not going to allow heavy armorments, and

the flow of fighters in to the ukraine, across the ukrainian -russian border it will stop. >> the president's charge was repeated in the halls of the pentagon. >> nobody's suggesting that russian military advice and assistance hasn't somehow crossed that border. it's just unclear how much and when and a who. >> at the united nations, ambassadors argued that pro-russian separatists likely couldn't have operated the surface-to-air missile system without outside assistance of a very specific sort. >> because of the technical complexity of the sa-11, it is unlikely the separatists could effectively operate the system without assistance from knowledgeable personnel. thus, we cannot rule out technical assistance from russian personnel. >> in the security council, the u.s. received backup from

expected corners. >> the united kingdom urges russia to reflect carefully on the situation they have created. it is clear where responsibility lies. with the senseless violence of armed separatists and those who have supported, equipped anded a a vised them. this tragedy would not have been possible if russia did not support the terrorists. >> well, russia accused the u.s. of stoking the crisis and china issued its own warnings. >> at the cross roads you have chose the wrong path and western colleagues pulled them. we're talking about the u.s. here. actually pushed them to escalate the crisis. it is not advisable to jump to any conclusion, make any assumptions or trade accusations. >> yet with the military response unlikely and economic sanction a's already imposed, what happens next? >> i think that the first

question is what does europe do? europeans have to take the lead on this. it was a flight from amsterdam to kuala lumpur over european territory. there should be outrage in european capitals. >> european reluctance appears to be rooted in the continents dependence on russian energy. some in the u.s. congress argue economic reality is not enough of a reason to reduce the sentence. >> europeans were murdered in. this this is an international outrage and the european, if they aren't willing to do the right thing n light of this commercial plane going down and the innocent people murdered, i think it is up to the united states to put on the pressure to shame them in to stepping up their economic sanctions. >> joining me now is editor of "politico" magazine susan glasser and editor and publisher of "the nation" and contributor to the "washington post." let me start with you. hillary clinton's comments that

europe should take the lead on this. do you think that will end in effective policy making? >> we are looking at a heinous, tragic act. in order to avoitd further tragedy, the united states and russia should do as much as they can to avoid deepening a new cold war. i hope this horrific moment gives countries the ability to see moving forward the diversion and distraction of resources from the crisis of our time that have poured in to the situation have been a terrible mistake. i think hillary clinton spoke the truth, but in the wrong way. i think europe could and should take the lead. in fact putin's major -- as been angela merkel, germany and i suspect as we were talking about earlier, europe understands without absolving perpetrators here, that a the u.s. and eu's policy was reckless earlier this year when they pushed ukraine to become part of europe opposed to

understanding it should be a neutral country. if ukraine is to recover financially, economically, democratically, it needs both the west and russia. >> susan, let me ask you, as katrina points out, the close relationship with germany also casts doubt on whether she will talk tough or impose further zxs and it is probably worth noting german economy, how dependent the dmoent is on russian energy. what is your read on the situation? >> that's an excellent point. let's note almost 40% of germany's energy is supplied by rush shac russia. merkel's comments were tragedy she talked about endorsing tougher sanctions and that's

what americans here in washington, many like hillary clinton are looking for. i agree you should be skeptical whether merkel is willing to take the next step. i want to respond to something katrina said. she talked about trying to stop a new cold war between russia and the united states but the problem is we are talking about a hot war and that's why 300 people are dead in eastern ukraine because there is an actual war going on that the evidence suggests and russia doesn't deny much as being under written by russia. this war in eastern ukraine would not exist if it were not for russia. the place is in a terrible find bind of thinking what to do next. it is not a cold war situation but a country being ripped apart a. i agree the question of whether ukraine should formally join the institutions of western europe has triggered the crisis. that's a big question mark to me what the right dours is. right now, the shooting on the

ground, let's note, hasn't stopped since the tragedy. reporters are on the groind trying to find out about the crash and in fact are hearing the sounds of fighting continuing to go on. >> let me respond, if i might to susan. first of all, i think we need an independent investigation, international investigation. i think it's also very important to remember that the united states needs russia to deal with many of the international issues from proliferation, to exiting afghanistan, a whole slew of issues. but what has been under reported, alex, is that for the last few months the president of ukraine has waged quote an anti-terrorist operation against his own people in southeastern ukraine, his own citizens. no question that you have pro-russian separatists. in some cases, it seems putin lost control. but there have been atrocities

committed against ukrainian is citizens by the president of their country. 110,000 ukrainians have fled to russia. there must be an international commitment, not only the avoid a new cold war but a real cease fire, to real negotiations. the president of ukraine walked out of cease fire negotiations after two days, negotiations with ukraine, germany and france. >> some people would say it was a show of strength. >> a show of strength to kill your own civilians? >> i'm not arguing that, nor would i ever. to the question of putin in all of this, susan, most people on the outside -- i'd love your thoughts on this -- would suggest that his moves in ukraine have been a power grab. this moment would seem to be a moment of great weakness for vladimir putin, if in fact he lost control of his armed separatists and they have in the

process created an international disaster for him. does he meet out of punishment for them or on them? >> well, that's a very good question, alex. you know, i would caution against -- there were some overheated initial early analysis yesterday saying, see, look, this is a game changer. this means the conflict in eastern ukraine has to end now. they have gone too far and the evidence of continued fighting suggests that we ought to take a deep breath and realize the underlying reasons for the conflict are continuing an that the world's attention has not necessarily fallen on ukraine in a that suggests there is a solution. and putin has a history of not really backing down. his motivations unclear the last several months except that here in washington, president obama remember imposed a new wave of sanks even before the crash this week. why did he do that? on continuing evidence there was actually a stepped up russian

military presence in the region and going to those operatists, perhaps the same operate separatists that may have shot down this airplane. it is hard to imagine putin will abandon his interests in eastern ukraine because of a tragic mistake. it does seem that certainly the intent here was probably not to shoot down an airliner with 300 civilians. >> let me ask you a question, katrina, which is when we talk about -- when you call for international agreement, an internationally led cease fire, we played the tape from the u.n. security council, the enemies and appliances are, as they always are. you have the brits on the side of the americans and the russians and chinese skeptical and working in tandem. how can you possibly be hopeful there would be international consensus given the fact the battle lines seem to be the same ones they already are. >> i think this tragedy could be a, quote, game changer. we will see more tragedies if

people don't come to common sense instead of more bluster. i come back to what hillary clinton said. i think germany and countries in europe need to play a key role. if america understood its own national security interest, it would understand it needs to be tough in its political resolution and agreement but it needs russia to resolve some key problems. it makes and made no sense to treat russia's relationship, russia and its relationship with the ukraine as somehow not in russia's legitimate national security interest or as a post war threat. i hope people come to common sense and must be a way forward if the united states understands its own security interests and understands that putin has his own politics at home and the demonization of putin, and this is not to absolve him, he is a

authoritarian leader. >> let me ask you, susan, before we go, kelly ayotte suggesting that the u.s. should shame the eu in to tougher sanctions if they don't take necessary sanctions in her mind. how likely is it republicans in washington make any effort to shame the eu countries? >> well, i'm not sure what kind of effort they can make. all hey along it's been clear the obama administration has been meeting the sanctions that have been done as multiple administration officials said to me. we have had to drag europe kicking and screaming every step of the way. i think that's likely the case going forward as a well. that's my sense. >> thank you both for your time and thoughts. >> thank you. coming up, speaker john boehner kalss new doubt on the prospects for addressing the humanitarian crisis at the border. will congress do the right thing, something or anything?

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"to quote prepair for the possibility of widening significantly. israel said the goal has not be to destroy hamas but restore security for israeli citizens. but what this invasion is really about is to destroy underground cross border tunnels built by hamas. these tunnels move supplies and people in and out of gaza. tunnels israel says it is meant to murder and kidnap its citizens. israeli defense forces have been tweeting with photos of tunnels discovered in gaza. since israel began the invasion last night at 10:00 p.m., 28 palestinians and one israeli soldier have died. hamas has continued to fire dozens of rockets in to southern israel. according to to the gaza ministry of health, 274 palestinians have been killed in israeli attacks. unicef said the number of children killed in gaza has reached 48. an average of four children

killed each day. there are reports that 80% of gaza is currently without electricity. and the u.n. says the number of people seeking shelter in the facilities in gaza doubled from 22,000 to 47,000. u.n. secretary general ban ki-moon is expected to travel to the region tomorrow. joining me now from washington is senior fellow from middle eastern studies at the council on foreign relations steven cook. thank you for joining me. let's speak about the tunnels. hamas uses these tunnels to transport weapons and supplies. if the tunnels are disabled does that mean that hamas is disabled? >> it doesn't mean that hamas is disabled. it is clear that hamas has large stores of weapons, rocket launchers hidden throughout the gaza strip. there are workshops that build these kinds of things and put them together but it would hamper their ability to resupply over a longer period of time.

>> if we are to take netanyahu at his word with and this is about handicapping hamas why are the deaths so asymmetric call and 75% of casualties civilian and 47,000 gazans display placed? >> it is a heart breaking situation when you think of the children who have been killed in the conflict so far. the problem is that gaza is one of the most intensely populated places on the face of the earth. when the israelis undertake these air strikes, which are supposed to be precision, they are as priecision as there coul be there is always this kind of civilian deaths and the horrible incident where the israeli gunners just lobbed munitions on these four little boys playing soccer on the beach the other day. this is an extraordinarily difficult situation and complex situation for everyone. the israelis can't sit by while

rockets are being lobbed on their population, yet when they respond they are bound to kill civilians in the process. >> let me ask in terms of the end game for israel, i want to quote fred kaplan who writes about whether or not anything comes of this in slate. i will quote him. let's say an invasion crushes hamas, then what? either israelis have to reoccupy gaza with the burdens and dangers that entails other the israelis move in, get out and leaving a hell hole fertile for militias including islamists far more dangerous than hamas. either way, what's the point? do you see an end game here? >> there is two other possibilities that the israel has. one is suppress the rocket fire and violence but hamas is weakened. it is a risky strategy. as prime minister netanyahu promised a wider military

operation could potentially lead to the israelis reoccupying the gaza strip as fred kaplan pointed out in "slate." one other possibility is to take down hamas. assuming that is even possible, and then trying to dump gaza in the lap of the egyptians that's one reason they have kept the border to tight over a long length of time. despite they are aligned with the israelis on the issue, the egyptians are concerned when the israelis talk about an arab solution for the gaza strip, it means returning gaza to egypt, which which was in possession of the strip before the 1967 war. >> what is the u.s. calculus here. in "the daily beast," michael orrin the former ambassador to israel until 2013, the more you aid them the more flexibility they will be as israeli tanks flol to gaza that theory is put to the test. do you think this as an impact

on the $3.1 billion in aid theist gives israel each year? >> i don't think it has much of an impact on the $3.1 approximately that the united states supplies to the israelis. i think there's overall a general narrative within the united states, certainly within the congress that has to appropriate the funds that the israelis have every right to defend themselves in this situation. israelis do have that right. of course there is a broader context here. that's the context of israelis essentially controlling the gaza strip from the outside. they have not allowed the palestinians any control, really over their affairs for the better part of the last five decades. it is true israelis withdrew from the gaza strip in 2005 but they control land space and ground crossings and sea access to the strip. it is not -- there's no indication that u.s. support in this style has made israelis

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united states now believes malaysia airlines flight 17 was shot down yesterday by a surface-to-air missile launched from ukrainian territory controlled by pro russian separatists. this makes it one of the most deadly civilian plane shoot downs in history but not the first. kate snow has more. >> reporter: it was september 1st, 1983, the height of the cold war. >> the united states today accused the soviet union of shooting down a korean airline jumbo jet. >> reporter: days later, president reagan ai addressed the nation. >> i'm coming to you tonight about the korean massacre, the attack of the soviet union against 269 innocent men, women and children aboard an aun armed korean passenger plane. >> it was supposed to fly from new york city to seoul stopping in anchorage, alaska but it drifted off course to soviet air space. jets intercepted the plane and fired warning shots that were

ignored. a soviet fighter pilot fired a missile and uttered words that would go down in history. the target is destroyed. everyone on board was killed. a tragedy that further inflamed tensions between the u.s. and ussr. >> we can see no excuse whate r whatsoever for this appalling act. >> reporter: when aplay plane is shot out of the sky there are rarely survivors. >> where they recovered the plane's recorders from previous incidents like this you hear the noise of the missile hitting the engine of the plane, milliseconds of a bam and nothing. that a quick it's over. >> we are following developments in the persian gulf where there is a tragedy and perhaps a major mistake. >> reporter: in 1988 the united states made the mistake. a surface-to-air missile was fired from the deck of a ship that at what the u.s. navy

thought was an iranian fighter jet. the sailors celebrated what they thought was a combat victory. they were wrong. >> the u.s. government deeply regrets this incident. >> they took responsibility. >> two missiles were fired an the deed was done. >> joining me now is retired nbc news correspondent and aviation specialist, one of the stars of the package, bob hagger. good to see you. so many distressing aspects to this tragedy. but one i sound incredulous, commercial airlines have been shot out of the sky multiple times beginning in 1973, in '80 there was an italian airline shot down by an unidentified warplane, '83 and 'a 88, and 2001 siberian israel airlines. why is there not a clear marker that all passenger commercial airlines are required to have

that signals them as not related to managemeilitary. >> the excuse of shooting one out of the sky, if you are a terrorist you can have a plane and disguise it as a civilian airliner. there were procedures in place, a frequency where if you suspected a plane is alien that you can check with it and make them identify themselves. there are procedures that say you have to scramble jets before you do anything like shoot the plane down, fly up alongside, waggle your wing withes to indicate you are worried about who they are. all of these procedures but the bottom line you just listed those incidents. they haven't worked. >> what is different about this, it was a surface to air a missile, one of the longest ranges we have seen, held by folks who probably and potentially did not know how to use it correctly. they didn't have radar devices that would have shown it to be a commercial flight. >> you are right. >> i wonder n terms of the

flight path itself, there's a lot of dispute whether or not malaysian airlines should have been flying over there given the military incursions there. we know -- according to the malaysian transportation minister 15 of the 16 airlines fly this route over ukraine. there's a dividing line. malaysian airlines and lufthansa fly over ukraine, british air aways and air france avoided you i crane. does it tell you anything about the airlines? >> i'm baffled why they allowed the planes to fly over that air space. the reason was that they are flying at 33,000 feet. they think it is high enough. they will be out of general aircraft range and so forth so the airlines decided it was safe. not all. there are a couple that didn't. the reason is saving fuel, an economic issue but at what risk.

the airline should have gotten together and said we are going around this air space. >> who makes that decision at qantas or? >> each individual airline but there is an international framework, an organization in montreal, the united nations headquarters were supervising aviation and they can make recommendations that most airlines will follow. >> what are the transportation safety measures that you think are likely to come out of this? is it more of an agreement, a quorum about what areas are trouble spots and should be avoided in terms of aircraft path. can you see anything coming out of this? >> there ought to be a protocol where one airline wouldn't be reluctant to take the step themselves. i but if an organization, such as this outfit said we recommend everyone to avoid this air space. if there was a structure like that it is easier for each

airline to say, oh, our competitor will do it so we will do it. but there are other things. the original point about more sophisticated way to establish a plane's identity. there are public policy questions that will come out of this. >> certainly and more transparent way. aviation specialist, bob hagger. thank you for your time. >> more on the crash after the break. ♪ [music] defiance is in our bones.

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♪ ♪ great rates for great rides. geico motorcycle, see how much you could save. we are continuing to follow the latest developments op the crash of malaysia air flight 17. all rescue workers at the crash site have been ordered by pro russian militants to leave that site. the rebels claim they control the territory and said rescue workers could return tomorrow morning. mean while, there are unconfirm ed reports that rebels moved dozens of bodies to an

undisclosed location. world leaders are calling for an immediate cease fire to allow an investigation to proceed. "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans, welcome to "the ed show." live from washington, d.c. let's get to work. ♪ >> there has to be a credible international investigation. >> i don't understand this president . >> the eyes of the world are on eastern ukraine and we will make sure the truth is out. >> what is he going to do put golf flags at half mast. >> we don't have time for propaganda or games. >> i do not understand it. >> we stand with you shoulder to shoulder in our grief and in our absolute determination to get to the bottom of what happened. >> the spirit of wanting to be in charge doesn't seem to be there. >> again, with the fund-raiser sfwls what's next? >> president obama briefly, brie